Aegis Vanguard Harbinger | A Star Citizen's Loadout Guide | Alpha 3.11

[@ltmuffler3482]

In our fleet, we want two mid sized ships for battle group defense to coincide with the 4 hornets on the flagship Kraken's pads. It wasn't hard to decide on Harbingers over Redeemers or Wardens. A sentinel was a consideration, but we felt that 2 Harbingers represented a significant threat to enemy fighters and to light or heavy bombers aiming at the battle group's larger vessels. Your build here helps exemplify our reasoning. It's just a very strong, tanky heavy fighter-bomber. Yes, the Redeemer looks like it will significantly out gun the Vanguard series, but at a whopping crew cost. To me, that amount of crew serves a better purpose on a hammerhead.

[@richstiner7404]

I have been practicing with the Harbinger during the Gladfest, and I finally worked out how to take those guys down. 1. You discuss the ship capabilities, but a lot of these fights depend more on the pilot and the user interface. By that, I mean M&K, HOTAS, HOSAS, or whatever other acronym you can come up with. 2. Acceleration can work against you, I'm more of a control guy than a fast guy - fixed weapons demand this discipline. 3. Repeaters are good with gimbals - cannons work better with fixed. Time on target doesn't always afford you the luxury of waiting for the bucket to fill with a hose - you want water balloons and timing. I tried all the suggestions from the video, and while the suggested bespoke weapons are spot-on - I've had better time to kill with the M7A. That could just be because of my play style. 4. I don't worry about stealth - I'm never red and they don't get an audible warning that I'm there until weapons lock. Saying that, I'm referring to crowded Grim Hex during a kill contest. When bounty hunting a live player in empty space (until they nerf it), I know the precise distance to the target. I can let speed be my stealth, comin' in hot and slowing with weapons lock. 5. Missiles are nerfed in this patch, they kill only AIs. I use missiles as a distraction, then I pounce while they are dodging and chaffing. I dish out up to 19 distractions during a dogfight - I doubt you can dis a mis loadout.

[@thingsido6067]

This thing is a beast, tested it in the Invictus week, made serious cash on bounty's with, bought in game, love it!!

[@_JB89]

Decided on a Harbinger after watching all your videos on each variant! Thank you for the top tier content. Subbed for sure

[@RX-qj7jz]

love you my Man! HARBINGER BLOODLUST SLAUGHTER MODE ON, Id fight till death in my every lifetime in PORT OLISAR!

[@SubliminaLstv]

LETS FUCKING GOOOO!!!!

[@PopskuII]

you are showing an fr-66 at 4:02. amazing video. thanks

[@CMDR-Ashtar]

Another great video!!! Never thought about splitting up the fixed nose guns, I'll have to try it out thanks for the tip.

[@SubliminaLstv]

I tied full distortion and mixed it because a subscriber recommended it. Glad I waited to post my build.

[@ramirolopez7548]

Thank you for the load out I didn't realize you had were to buy all the components

[@TJ-wq1ue]

Been running a revenant and the ATVS distortions And have been destroying everything pvp and pve. Such a beastly ship

[@SubliminaLstv]

A ballistic mix is good too for PVP.

[@doa1124]

Yes been waiting for you to do a load out on the harbinger. Everyone is going crazy for the MSR. Myself I’m waiting for the Corsair. Although I can’t wait to see what load outs you do with the MSR....

[@thingsido6067]

the Corsair.. isn't it the flying size7 cannon?

[@doa1124]

@@thingsido6067 No Ares Ion is.

[@kingslaphappy1533]

I really enjoyed this vid and now I want a Harbinger. Thx!

[@kaymay5903]

For anyone coming back to this vid, I replaced the missiles with 4 423 missile racks so that I could get 8 size 3 missiles, and shoot 4 off at one time. Missiles aren't very good rn, but this is great in pve.

[@Brodie9666]

Thanks another great Video. I would LOVE to see you do a buyers/load out guide on the Eclipse!!! Or maybe something different like The Mole.

[@SubliminaLstv]

Eclipse coming soon

[@tripperdan]

Thanks for the guide! Going to tweak my Harbinger some accordingly, though I don't think I'll worry about stealth at all. I will say that the ability to modify your ship seems to have taken a step backwards. Yea, I understand they wanted to prevent some things, but dang. Now a player can't even use consumables with the Prospector in the field.

[@majboomer1285]

My build was almost exactly what you suggested...even down to the 2 AVTR and 2 GVSRs in the nose. I do use the Galdereen instead of the Attrition though. Nice Video!

[@SubliminaLstv]

Good stuff! Both the Attrition and Gald are great weapons.

[@damonvonschweikert131]

Was waiting for this build, thank you.

[@SubliminaLstv]

Hope you enjoy it!

[@scoont7153]

My build is the same went for S5 distortion scattergun for hunting HH. Other then that took the QuadraCell MT power supplies

[@tomfoolery1967]

I feel you on the Rocket Pods. Giant nope. They are the worst.

[@SubliminaLstv]

They are probably ment for air to ground targets. But with no gameplay for this yet... Trash

[@tomfoolery1967]

@@SubliminaLstv Even if they are, being on the top of the ship makes that awkward. You really have to angle the ship down to make that happen.

[@Anachroschism]

This will be the next fighter I unmelt. I look forward to trying this build.

[@SubliminaLstv]

This build works for all vanguards.

[@Anachroschism]

@@SubliminaLstv Except the torps :)

[@SubliminaLstv]

Well.. yeah.

[@CarCrazyGhost]

Literally saving up for a harbinger now just bought a mantis

[@SubliminaLstv]

😁

[@crackedjabber]

The stealth build I snuck up on you with the other day had the Gald, the distortions, and laser repeaters along with the Sukoran and umbra. It works well, and even fresh out of storage it can get pretty close.

[@tripperdan]

The stealth build on the Sabre is pretty wicked too (even though a kill with it doesn't count for the helmet)

[@crackedjabber]

@@tripperdan nah, this was a stealth build of the harbinger. I hopped on to help Subliminal test distortion cannons.

[@MrGgdan1]

great vid again.just bought that ship yesterday and i wonder if as pilot you can remotly use the turret??,... keep up the good work

[@SubliminaLstv]

Unfortunately not. That would be too OP. Hiring an NPC will be possible in the future.

[@MrGgdan1]

@@SubliminaLstv ok thanks should be very interesting

[@Mr.Phesadent]

Another SubliminaL upload, Ohhh yeahhh! I recently bought a Warden after your video, but debating on the Sentinel now after some rough PVP. What's your take now?

[@SubliminaLstv]

Sent!

[@Mr.Phesadent]

@@SubliminaLstv 10-4. Much appreciated!

[@RazSkull673]

I melted my Vanguard before I knew how deadly it was. Regret...

[@SubliminaLstv]

Sorry!

[@boratb258]

Even worse if you had the buck kit where you got a 3 in one ship from a device change.

[@BlueCheetah8]

Hey SubliminaL i would like to make a recommendation for your ship reviews, add Acceleration as a metric for comparison. different ships may have similar top speeds but their acceleration could be drastically different. something big for flight feel and with combat, positional dominance.

[@SubliminaLstv]

To get that data the community would need to get together and accurately record the g forces in a specific test. Then some math would need to be done and then this would need to be repeated every patch to be accurate. Unfortunately its not data that's coded in because it involves every thruster... It's a "thruster fuck". Can you see how this is a logistical nightmare?

[@trobag1501]

At the 4 minute mark you show a chart of size One shield FR-66 instead of FR-76 size Two.

[@SubliminaLstv]

Oh damn sorry.

[@julian3533]

We need a guide like this for 3.14 pleeeaasse

[@ozramblue117]

Mine is a bit different. I use the cross field qt as it’s very fast but gives a bit more range than the X1 (which matters when hunting players). Also for shields I went with an Umbra and a Sukaron. 50k+ shielding is not bad and the Ir is the defining stealth limitation here giving the Harb a smaller sig than many light fighters. For weapons I’ve gone simple with a huge dist scatter on the nose and all laser repeaters. For missiles I’ve gone with 16 size ones, 8 size 2s. The torps I’ve yet to hit a player with so meh. All in all it’s been a great general purpose combat build that can get in and choose its targets before committing.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

The new missile rules, in 3.11, says you get one missile per rack at a time, and only if they are all the same type. So maximum throw weight, currently, requires you to run the 442's underneath and load them all up the same. So your 4 racks full of rattlers is better than splitting them.

[@Charlouf_]

thx for the build, i noticed you never talked about overclocking, i bet u OC both shield and not weapons, but i'm not sure :) thx again

[@Hairyloft]

Great vid, glad I found your channel

[@SubliminaLstv]

Glad to hear it!

[@almaurath]

Love this ship. Thanks for the build!

[@DanakarEndeel]

Curse you SubliminaL! Now I'm looking at the Harbinger in my BuyBack again! :P

[@SubliminaLstv]

You should get the Sentinel 😃

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@SubliminaLstv Why the Sentinel over the Harbinger? Does it come with better components or better weapons? I was actually eyeing those 3 S5 torpedoes from the Harbinger and also like the interior color scheme. The Warden interior looks wierd with that lightblue but I haven't checked the Sentinel. :) Heck, I believe I still have those BUKs as well. Not sure if that's still a thing but if so maybe I could buy a Harbinger and then get a Sentinel BUK out of BuyBack too? :P

[@SubliminaLstv]

Its best to watch my buyers guide of the sentinel. The BUK system is confusing. I've seen your other comments so you know now. The sent is ugly but future skins should fix this.

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@SubliminaLstv Yeah, those BUKs sure are confusing now; especially with the way CIG tried to explain it, then change it, and now nobody knows what's going to happen LOL. I mean, changing them into a box of parts wouldn't work because the central module is unique for each variant. Like a Harbinger BUK would just have 3 torpedoes but no way to attach them on a Warden spaceframe? That makes no sense. :D The Hoplite is also very confusing as I believe it was a separate hull-locked version with a wider interior and as such you'd be unable to install other BUKs in them but then if you look under the ship you see the same rectangular outline of a BUK module. Otherwise if the Hoplite would work with BUKs and could install other central modules I could just buy a Hoplite and just get my Harbinger and Sentinel BUKs out of BuyBack. But I think I might be better off getting a Warden as a base to work from as I believe the Hoplite had less missile hardpoints. Not sure if the weapon hardpoints also differ for the other ships as I could have sworn the Harbinger had more hardpoints than a Warden as one point. But that was before they updated the models and gave it those shoulder-mounted internal racks... :) I would love to see an episode where all 4 Vanguard variants are compared side-by-side with all the hardpoints and stock components and such. Like an ultimate Vanguard series buyers guide! So if you're ever in the mood and willing to do something like that I would really appreciate it as I love watching your videos. :D

[@Atljeepboy]

Another great video! I wish you would do the 600i. At first I put all distortion weapons on it and i think that was a mistake. I think I need a mix of weapons but I dont know which are the best :(

[@SubliminaLstv]

Mix them with lasers. Distortions dont do hull damage so a full distortion load-out couldn't kill an aurora.

[@Atljeepboy]

@@SubliminaLstv thats why I love your loadout videos, they tell ya what to put where. 😁

[@cdbtheclaw]

We really need a S5 ballistic minigun ^^

[@SubliminaLstv]

Preach! It would probably only have 2000 rounds of ammo and fire and fire at a rate of 1200rpm lol.

[@o0lunchboxxx0o91]

Sukarans and deadbolt is the new meta you tank everyone and can 1 shot basically every small fighter

[@TopBoomerTv]

Awesome video, thank you

[@Archaon27]

You posted a FR-66 screencap instead of the FR-76, I'm sure someone would've mentioned it before

[@douglasoak7964]

Top quality video!

[@SubliminaLstv]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@Tabascodeus]

one of my fav ship yeeeeeeesssss

[@SubliminaLstv]

😃

[@jbirdmax]

NOICE Actually I think it’s true. No ice in space. At least not this close to a Star/sun. Haha 😂 DUDE! That harbinger is just so badass though.

[@SubliminaLstv]

The Harb is good. But I think the Sent is better.

[@jbirdmax]

@@SubliminaLstv I haven’t flown that one yet, but if it’s available in the next free fly event I’ll definitely check it out. By the way, Thank You for doing what you do. I know how much research can go into just one component, and you do the entire ship, not to mention your amazing comparison videos. As many many others do, I highly value your experience and expertise regarding these load outs. 🍺

[@MetaMelonColley]

Gonna try it in 3.23 :3

[@cyberwraith800]

Thanks for this guide, I have been wondering what to do with my Harbie.

[@IorekBear92]

Only one thing of note, you mentioned having a video explaining why kilograms per second isn't a real unit of measurement? It's not kilograms per second, which would be noted as Kg/s. I believe the cooling rate would be denoted in Kelvin per second, denoted as K/s.

[@SubliminaLstv]

No, your misunderstanding what I said. I am saying erkul isn't displaying a unit of measurement. The k does not mean Kelvin or what most think it does. It simply denotes 1,000. So if the cooling rate of a cooler is 190,000 in the games code, erkul represents it as 190k to save space and make the site look better esthetically. Kilo means 1,000, it can be 1,000 of anything. Grams, watts, meters. Since this is a video game and not a science lab or real life the unit of measurement doesn't matter. At the end of the day it is just an integer a developer put into the code. The game files don't even specify a unit of measurement. The k isn't in the games code becuase a game doesn't need denoting.

[@IorekBear92]

@@SubliminaLstv oh I see, thank you. I assumed you just meant kilogrammes when you said kilo, only as American AC units use US tons where we use BTUs. I think. Nice to know. You'd think CIG would have had some idea of unit of measurement, before making up these numbers though.

[@blueberrywhitetea]

Awesome video as always! With the new distortion meta, have you made any changes on your Sabre loadout? Im still running full gimbal ballistics, but was curious if you've tried any different weapon combos now that the distortions seem to be working properly. Thanks for the great vids!

[@Richard_HD]

YES FINALLY!!!

[@SubliminaLstv]

😆

[@gclef101]

thank you so much bro

[@crowontwo]

Wonder if he will update this build since many of the changes that have come and gone.

[@LosAmigoz]

Noob here! So my Harbinger turret isnt even shooting. Do I need to equipped missiles to it specifically? I tried buying the Sucker Punches but they dont seem to be able to replace the rocket pods. What am I doing wrong? Any help appreciate. Thanks! 07

[@NickDurso80]

Is the only way to get true EM/IR readings is to load out the ship and test it in game? Erkul only list EM when you do a build there. Would be nice to be able to test stealth loadouts without having to buy the components.

[@rossdavison6526]

I love these video's

[@SubliminaLstv]

Thanks for watching!

[@TheEinargallardo1]

Do a Hammerhead loadout guide, please!

[@SubliminaLstv]

Coming Soon.

[@dmitryg7592]

what planet/ station do you get the parts from? because the stores i go to don’t have the parts recommended in this video

[@Saffrone221]

Isee alot of savage players that destroy these type of ships in US servers with arrows.

[@wemustbecomemachines2012]

very good

[@paulbooij7594]

Can you pull the turret off and put a big cannon up there? And then solo play the ship?

[@SubliminaLstv]

So your asking to make one of the most powerfull solo ships even more powerfull buy adding another weapon?

[@SubliminaLstv]

Updated Load-out ► subliminal.gg/aegis-vanguard-harbinger-loadout/

[@finnhuckleberry7301]

Thank you for this quality work!

[@callsigngrimdoll]

I used your updated loadout suggestion for this, but it just overheats in seconds.

[@ToreyPellegrini]

Just got my harbinger! Is this load out still relevant? Have found the front guns overheat quickly.

[@theblaznee]

The Attrition has damage dropoff, but the Galdereen doesn't. Not sure why that's not part of your recommendation

[@SubliminaLstv]

It would have been if I could go back in time... And also the updated link in the description reflects this change.

[@arturojuan2541]

attrition 5 star where can i buy? cooler snowpack where can i buy?

[@sparkysorcgaming1945]

I love your build, but will probably go with all distortion on the nose. Although, Try buying 16 rattlers.... Damn

[@SubliminaLstv]

Even after the distortion nerf?

[@sparkysorcgaming1945]

@@SubliminaLstv Nope, just tried it with the little time I've had in game and it is def nerfed

[@jwpipes47]

Is this current or should it be modified? Gonna try it today.

[@TheCrash1983]

which vanguard is best for bounty hunting missions

[@Brodie9666]

IMO the Sent

[@SubliminaLstv]

I agree.

[@VICT0RLAZL0]

Please your opinion Harbinger vs Gladiator???

[@SubliminaLstv]

HARBINGER!!!

[@VICT0RLAZL0]

@@SubliminaLstv Harbinger vs Retaliator??

[@Ravenclaw-ql6kk]

So Sentinel over Harbinger?

[@SubliminaLstv]

IMO yes 😁

[@seotenin]

What would you change on this for the Xeno-Threat mission?

[@SubliminaLstv]

C-788 (gimballed w/gimball assist off) and the ballistic canons in the nose! Great for damaging enemy HHs and Idris's through the shields with penetration. Could go dual Sukorans if there is a lot of support from other players. Shield regen wouldn't matter.

[@seotenin]

@@SubliminaLstv Cool Thank you very much

[@VuNguyen-wo8bp]

@@SubliminaLstv is this the best way to farm money? Heard people in chat say to shoot distortions but I'm not sure

[@SubliminaLstv]

Hmm haven't heard about distortions... Worth a try. I seemed to get a lot with ballistics. Maybe I'll try on tomorrow stream

[@Cadehighhill]

Hey Brother, it was good seeing you in the verse a few weeks ago fighting at GH. Any chance you'll have an Arrow loadout coming out? o7 CadeAurion

[@JoeyDee86]

Do you have any issues hitting targets with all fixed in PU? I’ve never really trusted it too much

[@Charlouf_]

its MUCH better but it also depend on server health.

[@xAgent_Smithx]

Where is your store merch..?

[@danielshort6373]

I noticed that you put size 2 guns on the turret instead of size 3 missiles; can you put size 3 guns on it?

[@ProbablyBurnt]

I know this comment was a year ago, but I'm currently asking myself this same question. Did you ever get any guidance on this?

[@imagudboi6956]

Dows this still work in 3.17

[@imagudboi6956]

Does this still work in 3.17

[@dnsean03]

Unfortunately missle play is trash now

[@SubliminaLstv]

Agreed!

[@tabletop4455]

accidentally bought the sentinel instead of the harbinger and now depressed, 2 mil down the drain

[@SubliminaLstv]

You should watch my videos on the sentinel it's the best of them all. Size 5 torps don't do much damage right now. The sent is more nimble and has an EMP. Manuverability is important this patch. You'll love the sentinel!

[@doa1124]

Your not going to hit anything with missiles, since counter measures became op...

[@SubliminaLstv]

You can try. Make the target have to evade and get the drop on them.

[@patrickspaceman305]

Dear God.....I'm watching this hours before "Aegis" Day for the 2950 IAE...."Shut up and take my money......."

[@rixxy9204]

This loadout no longer applies as of 3.14 so DO NOT USE IT

[@Franseven]

i miss the times where lodout made a difference...

[@boxgamingcentral8178]

You really shouldn’t use his recommended coolers and power plants unless you are worried about detection. You should use 2 Genoa’s and 2 snowpacks. You will be Able to fire longer and overheat less when overclocked. Edit also don’t use the rattlers they don’t work in 3.11. I would use the spark1.

[@Tabascodeus]

i don't think he's wrong, i'm using those (coolcore and eclipse) on my harbinger and other ship like a valkyrie and i don't have any issue, + he do have a point on the recovery time from an emp , this is not bc some component are grade 3 that they're bad in fact they performe beter than some grade 1 component, i was thinking the same thing as you when i just start playing but if you look on www.erkul.games/calculator you will see the power up time and other important variable, sorry for my bad english, o7

[@SubliminaLstv]

Box man your being guided by the "placebo effect". I've tied the best coolers and Power plants (highest outputs). I've recorded them firing stock, OC, ballistic, energy. They make Zero difference. I counted frames... It's all in my cooler and power plant guides. Video footage that as long as a cooler or pp has enough power draw or cooling rate it does not effect weapon overheat, thruster overheat, QT cool-down time, etc. The devs are using what they call a "Pipe System" It has no depth. I know Erkul makes it seem as though it does but the video evidence. says priority should be quick power up time or stealth. I choose stealth.

[@Booozy3050]

Nice, I finally got this ship ingame last weekend, and it kicks butt. It can take out AI groups before they can even land a few shots. Doing kill contracts and making bank $$$

[@SubliminaLstv]

Agreed!