WHAT ARE MAGIC GODS!? | Toaru Explained

[@AeonofHorus]

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[@dibyendughosh7940]

Hey there something I like to share with you. I think Imagine breaker is 'right hand of Azael'. Because azazel the demon eat the sin of others and purify them . If you think about it magic is a sin and imagine breaker purify it . And azazel is one of those falling angel who can to earth and create many dragon like being that eat humans that might be the reason when kamijou touma's hand caught off the dragons came out and the invisible things and that might be the reason touma's dragons have Is different shapes.😅😇

[@StarForgers]

Does Imagine Breaker only exist in a single phase at a time or does it have a copy in all phases? Due to its nature it seems that it should only exist in 1 phase at a time right? Does this mean that the world Touma is in was the original phase or a part of it?

[@zhcultivator]

Is there a magic god based on Islam or a Voodoo magic god? I would really like to see an Islamic Mythology magic style tbh in Toaru.

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Kamachi probably already know everything what he wants to write in Index, just don't know when he will, so thats why he already name dropped "Magic Gods" in the very beginning. He also already referenced the Sisters nearly immidiately in OT1 and already foreshadowing Touma's power and Aleister's plan all the way back to OT2-6. And in NT11 afterword, he said he came up with Misaki backstory very early on. So yeah. Thats Oda level planning.

[@AeonofHorus]

Still waiting for vampires to make a return haha

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@AeonofHorus Just wait it to be a either a blonde and loli ...... And in love with Touma.

[@Chinese_Name]

@@kamijounotouma5596 Loli > Everything

[@SkyeAutumns]

@@AeonofHorus the girl on the cover of GT6 could be a vampire, seems about right to introduce them at this point

[@Chinese_Name]

@@SkyeAutumns She's a Succubus

[@ToaruMal]

The official Yen Press translation refers to them as "demon gods" in vol 1, but uses "magic god" in vol 22. The translation they used in vol 1 was: "Sorcerers called those the "demon gods." Not a demon from hell, but rather a sorcerer who had trespassed into God’s domain. A demonic god." The second line was supposed to specify that the "Majin" was meant to be interpreted as magic, rather than demon, reading closer to: "Not a demon from Hell, but rather a magician who trespassed into God's domain. A magic god." My assumption for the error is just the translator didn't realize the dual meaning of the word seeing as it was one of their first professional translation projects, according to an interview. Silvia re-explains the concept in SS2 in a much clearer way. I don't completely blame the translator, Andrew Prowse, though. Even the earliest fan translation made the same error. Just a fun tidbit regarding the complexity of translation.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

It's pretty fun speculating magic gods from other religions, like say if a magician specialising in Hindu mythology wants to become a magic god symbolizing Kali, then the magician would have to go down the more dangerous left hand path or Vamamarga and then probably sacrifice themselves to attain the existence of a Magic God or if it was Prometheus from Greek mythology, then the magician would have to nail themselves on a mountain of Caucasus and have their liver eaten by an eagle to achieve the status of a majin

[@stevieveringus3857]

Tbh, a honest rendition of Kali won't require blood sacrifices, because the original depiction of her mainly revolves around a protective mother goddess who saves her children from mishap and misfortune. But "anger"/"rage" is one thing that transforms her personality into something so violent that only Shiva can stop her.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

@@stevieveringus3857 depends on which path you go cause the left hand path or Vamamarga then it's messed up as hell, even Ramkrishna said that the left hand path of Kali is terrifying and if you screw up even once then you may might as well die

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@Oueenazolatigressgina I know, I am from Ramakrishna's place. Tbh the only Kali I know less is Kali Linux, which is... Edit: Also Ramakrishna has mostly worshipped the benevolent vision of Kali, but he didn't refrain from studying the (more recent) malevolent versions of her. In her actual nature, she's impartial and represents the responsibility to go resort to darkness to deal with darkness. But cults like Thugee and some tantriks used to corrupt her image for their own benefits.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

@@stevieveringus3857 ah so you're Indian? I know, let me change my comment a bit, but seeing how becoming a magic god is pretty extreme I wouldn't be surprised if sacrifices were involved like how the creation of Nephthys involved the deaths of thousands of servants

[@stevieveringus3857]

@@Oueenazolatigressginaহ্যা

[@artofthepossible7329]

Ever heard of the infinity hotel paradox? True GREMLIN going from pre-nerfs to entering the current phase is probably comparable to 99.9% of the guests at the hotel leaving on the same day.

[@zaiwex]

Magic God is the starting pointing of me reading the light novel. From Scratch to the NT volume 9 and onwards It is amazing Kamachi can able to expand on this further than we can imagine.

[@accelerator4455]

The short version: the magic gods are the great Sphinx's prey

[@AeonofHorus]

Sphynx is too powerful

[@anthonypimentel7218]

@@AeonofHorus Sphinx is a good cat!

[@bisayafascist5725]

It would be funny if sphinx is actually the Egyptian god Ra. Considering Irl Aleister puts Ra in the same category of strongest gods along with Odin and Zeus.

[@ravenfantasy5680]

@@bisayafascist5725 shiiiiiiiiiiit

[@llawliet5211]

If they were mentioned right in the first volume I can't really imagine how much hype was generated with the introduction of othinus much later in the story

[@unmasked569]

5:10 ‘you’d have to kill them an infinite amount of times to truly kill them’ *il vento d’oro intensifies*

[@fg009letyrds8]

Magic God: How cute, *deletes GER*

[@maciejk5255]

I often feel intrigued to think about Magic Gods' magic names. It was said that becoming a MG is one true way to realize them. Also, Nephthys for life, have a great day😊

[@AeonofHorus]

Nep is love, Nep is life

[@Magic.God.Othinus]

Magic Gods and phases have always been an interesting because of what they imply. We have learned of the Pure World, the bottommost phase unaffected by religion, and of heaven being a phase where beings like Archangel Gabriel reside in, so does that mean that there is a Judeo-Christian Magic God somewhere? If the Pure World predates religion, then a Judeo-Christian Magic God exists, or existed in the past. Plus there are also Anna's comments in GT2 about being disappointed in Touma being nothing more than a machine who saves people, saying she saw that two thousand years ago. I wonder if that's a reference to Christ?

[@ougintoga7195]

Imagine breaker is actually jesus christ himself, the right hand of god confirmed??

[@rajivamom6246]

@@ougintoga7195 I agree

[@otoshigami4465]

I think the reason Index can become a magic god is maybe because while the grimoires contains different spells they are made using a single method as such can be classified as a single branch of magic.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

I think the creation of Magic Gods depends a lot upon luck, Othinus(before she got stuck with 50/50 Omnipotence Paradox) was a Magic God but she never knew about the Hidden World yet all the other Magic Gods were far more powerful than Othinus in her prime and lived in the Hidden World

[@nou4902]

I'll never get tired of watching your magic side videos

[@benmisaka6261]

Thank you for the video Aeon, this was very informative for me about Magic Gods. I still find it confusing but it was still pretty helpful. Wonder how the New Testament anime or manga are gonna explain their power.

[@devilshooter126m8]

Great video Imagine someone trying to become a magic god and offing themselves, just to realize there was one book they forgot to read regarding their brand of magic, right when they die. OOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@AeonofHorus]

Lmao, now that would be a bruh moment

[@nyaruko-do2ok]

"All living creatures eventually die, an apple dropped from above would fall down, and 1+1=2. You would be able to take those kinds of natural and unchangeable rules of the world, destroy them, rewrite them, and create new ones. You could make 1+1=3, make an apple dropped from below fall up, and make all dead creatures eventually be revived. Magicians called such being Magic Gods."-toaru volume 1 chapter 1. " you would be able to twist everything in the world to your will without exception. That is what we call a Magic God.” toaru volume 1 chapter 2

[@YasaYasamura]

The video showing Frenda everytime you mentioned anything related to death is the meaniest thing ever

[@I_LUV_BREAD32456]

Imagine if Aleister used the power of German Science and three Aztec stripper gods showed up

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

What is a level 6? That is the question I have asked. Is a level 6 supposed to be like a “Scientific God”. For example we call Saints the most powerful people on the magic side, but they would be one level down from a so called “Magic God”. So then a Saint would be the equivalent to say a level 5 on the science side. So is a level 6 just a sort of “Scientific God” even tho people on the science side don’t called them “gods” they refer to them as level 6’s 🤔?

[@AeonofHorus]

I'll be doing a video on that eventually :)

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Dumb version would be that. Level 6 is Science Side Version of Magic Gods. Level 5 are Science Side Version of Saints.

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

@@AeonofHorus Seems like they would of made someone a level 6 by now, but all they ever did was the Accelerator deal trying to get him to what they called a "stable level 6". But they never officially said that there’s a person that is a level 6. I’ll be looking forward to seeing what you can come up with eventually.

[@herbertwalter8693]

i think up to now "level 6" is only a thought experiment based on calculations

[@Thex-W.I.T.C.H.-xMaster]

@@herbertwalter8693 That's an interesting thing to say 🤔.

[@marcelpenker9403]

i usually dont like the magic aspects but u make it sound so interessting and easy,thanks for all the hard work you put in to educate dumbasses like me

[@albertoluis1544]

"Infinite destroyer goes brrr" ~Medea Pideth Machina

[@emmanuel319]

10:18-10:22 that zooming in tho😂😅

[@AeonofHorus]

Hey I was zooming in on Othinus... not the thighs!

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@AeonofHorus *Visible Doubt"

[@jiamingli1109]

Hope we can see more of niang niang

[@MentalOutlvl6]

It feels like everyone literally dropped the ball on this one lol 😆

[@CRMemer]

Saying the magic gods are broken is like saying Accelerator is cool. Its a big understatement.

[@juicesenpai1413]

Thanks for explaining on this context still waiting to read NT whenever that get license...... Hopefully soon

[@AlanLiebheart]

Magnicient explanation! I shoudlnt watch these videos before reading them, but they're so interesting xD

[@AeonofHorus]

Thank you!

[@theonewhoknowsall5128]

great video as always

[@AeonofHorus]

Thanks!

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

Didn't the infinite existences of magic gods happen _after_ Crowley destroyed the Hidden world?

[@AeonofHorus]

“By infinitely dividing our infinite power, we’ve kept ourselves at a level just barely low enough for this world to contain. …But in a way, this is the worst possible transformation, don’t you think? You could just keep killing and killing us without end. Like a matryoshka doll or an onion, you would have to fight a nearly eternal battle to completely kill us.” NT12 Epilogue Post-NT10 they nerfed themselves to exist in the physical world by dividing their power by infinity yes, but from this quote their state of existence was still infinitely layered. It took Aleister hijacking the Zombie spell in NT12 to make them more easy to kill.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

@@AeonofHorus ah I see

[@1993espada]

I need a refresher. Wasn't truly reviving the dead not even possible for the magic gods or was it just Othinus who couldn't do it and needed create another phase to "revive" them? Or was it just a "rule" within the phase that did enforce the "not reviving the dead" thing? (Saying Othinus Einherjar magic is not truly reviving the person)

[@AeonofHorus]

She needs to create a new phase, Einherjar is completely different to when she revived Frenda, Terra etc

[@1993espada]

@@AeonofHorus good than I remembered it correctly

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

Yup, Othinus needed to warp reality to bring dead people back though I can't say anything about the true Magic Gods who are like infinitely more powerful than Othinus

[@fg009letyrds8]

She csn revive the death though? She just does it via Painting a new Phase.

[@Ben-vg6ox]

I guess it's symbolic that WR is the solution to the gods boredom

[@I_LUV_BREAD32456]

But are they a match for our lord and savior, the god of all chads, Aogami Pierce?

[@AeonofHorus]

He's too powerful

[@benmisaka6261]

Magic Gods vs Alien X

[@milkibearmilkibear]

Thx again, man!!! :)

[@AeonofHorus]

You're welcome!

[@peterpertelli1690]

Amazing video again thank you for the analysis and you do a video on kamijou no touma

[@AeonofHorus]

No problem and yeah a KnT vid will happen eventually

[@peterpertelli1690]

Ok

[@nurshidifauzi8389]

Wait i confused idol theory is imitation from myth, legend or something like that but does that mean they imitate these magic god or other god?

[@StainlessGhs]

So, can they freely manipulate the phase they're in, or do they need to make a new one with the alterations they want?

[@meganoreo1839]

Yayyyyy im excited to watch

[@AeonofHorus]

You should be ;)

[@nabedesu7708]

Been waiting for anime adaptation of new testament

[@pierocolombo2643]

Can only hope for now 😓so many animes/LNs getting a new season recently im positive it will get it. Now the big question tho... will it be a good adaptation? NT 1 to 10 had a massive amount of character introspective and info dump left and right which jc staff loves to just completely discard 😞.

[@nabedesu7708]

@@pierocolombo2643 hopefully it will be good adaptation..and maybe bring back the old IB sound from previous index or railgun series bcs index s3 IB sound kinda weird for me lol

[@pierocolombo2643]

@@nabedesu7708 if i recall they changed the ib sound bc they straight up lost the sound file when switching production team lol as to why they didnt recreate it ask them yourself.

[@MrGalath]

I’m a simple man. I see Sogita or Othinus, I click.

[@acrsclspdrcls1365]

Wonder how Loki would fit in with the Toaru Series should she appear.

[@budgetproductions1178]

the way I understand this, espers are mini magic gods. they use their own reality to affect the physical reality.

[@Eversito98YT]

Do you think Magic gods are powerful enough to beat the hypothetical version of Accelerator level 6? (With Qliphah Puzzle 545 included).

[@AeonofHorus]

Well idk cos we haven't seen Level 6 yet or what they are capable of

[@fg009letyrds8]

@@craytherlaygaming2852 yeah, dunno the people hyping Lvl 6, when Aleister repeatedly stated that it wasn't enough and he needed someone beyond Lvl 6. And it's not like getting the help of a Lvl 7+ Esper is the only way to achieve what he wants with Crowley being the infinite Keikaku man that he is.

[@screamingcat7543]

This is Basically Doctor Strange Level Shiiii.

[@MentalOutlvl6]

They could just call world rejector to fix their problems though

[@bisayafascist5725]

Is it possible for the Magic Gods to remove the weakening spell made by Aleister considering they got all the time in the “new world” to come up with some counter spells?

[@kamijounotouma5596]

I kinda doubt it. That Spell probably has some Aiwass level shit to it, that's shining troll is something even the MGs couldnt handle.

[@mastercnn1222]

Big boat daddy biagio video when?

[@sabithasajan5564]

Damn dis universe is vast

[@Chinese_Name]

Science side looks puny

[@AeonofHorus]

Aleister and Aiwass carried the science side haha

[@kamijounotouma5596]

Is it? Science Side have Aleister, Aiwass, Touma, Accelerator, Kazakiri, and Kakine (plus the unpredictable Kihara Family). Just one of those guys can already take down 99% of the Magic Side. (And the 1% goes to Magic Gods and Anna's group btw.)

[@artofthepossible7329]

@@kamijounotouma5596 Though that 1% is superior to the other 99% of the magic side, so it all balances out.

[@shironeko1843]

So, Jesus is quite a busted Magic God.

[@AeonofHorus]

Jesus in the Index verse isn't a Magic God as far as we know :^)

[@shironeko1843]

@@AeonofHorus I know, but I had to say the meme XD

[@iamnowhere5678]

Imagine if it was revealed that Touma was Jesus himself.

[@fg009letyrds8]

Nope, Christianity is mid tier in ToAru, and Aleister always sees it as an ass backwards religion that has no chance of existing in the Age of Horus. There's a reason why Fiamma is a super jobber in the later Novels lol

[@romulovillar5656]

Amazing video!! Can you tell me the OSTs names?

[@AeonofHorus]

A Certain Magical Index Movie OST: Those cursed by magic Index III OST Praying shadow Index III OST Extraordinary Toaru Imaginary Fest OST (Boss Battle)

[@romulovillar5656]

@@AeonofHorus Thank You!!!

[@eliscore]

It's mathematically proven that some infinites are bigger than others. Makes sense infinite can be split in half? Theoretically

[@illustriousekoodina6137]

How exactly did Kihara Nouken kill High Priest?

[@AeonofHorus]

The Anti-Art Attachment which uses Aleister's magic

[@illustriousekoodina6137]

ty both

[@bisayafascist5725]

@@AeonofHorus can noukan kill magic gods with just the AAA without using Aleister’s magic?

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@bisayafascist5725 Nope. Misaka also use AAA but without Aleister link, and she's nowhere near that level.

[@bisayafascist5725]

@@kamijounotouma5596 once again The Science Sides gets carried through the use of Magic.

[@Fanez17]

i hope a god would revive frenda

[@AeonofHorus]

Othinus did briefly lol

[@fg009letyrds8]

She was already revived by Othinus, blame Touma for wanting her to stay dead. It's all Touma's fault.

[@toumaesper]

Holy shit tier gods

[@BakedBanana]

oh!

[@AeonofHorus]

ho!

[@Chinese_Name]

no!

[@francistein8409]

is the series over??

[@AeonofHorus]

Nope still ongoing

[@francistein8409]

@@AeonofHorus still going strong i see.

[@rajivamom6246]

What about science god

[@equ-ipe6893]

Science is godless I think

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

The Magic Gods are so interesting and hopefully we see more time with them. I always wonder are there more out there. Phases are pretty broken for Magic gods. I always wonder for a good fight for Touma to fight. A manga called Renya of Darkness has a main character known as Renya who has a power on his left arm to suck the life force with anything it touches. So I wonder if Renya fought Touma who would win? Renya is a skilled ninja with a katana and more athletic fighter than Touma cause he can jump at incredible heights and is very fast. His arm is a curse not a esper or Magic ability. Can Touma get around and beat Renya even with that? I personally think Renya could beat Touma.

[@debreczeniarpad9956]

"Curses" are supernatural in nature. IB would negate it, or supress

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

@@debreczeniarpad9956 but it’s not an esper ability nor is it magic. It’s just a arm states to be a curse

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

@@debreczeniarpad9956 it’s not a supernatural ability and even if it is. How can Touma negate it? Once Renya grabs Touma neck he’s dead. Plus Renya possesses normal weapons like a Katana. Touma is helpless and can’t negate normal weapons. Plus Renya has more experience in fighting then Touma since he’s a skilled ninja and can jump at incredible heights.

[@debreczeniarpad9956]

@@ryanrodriguez2498 such effects have already been used on Touma. Most of the time it spreads and spreads, then once it "reaches" his hand, it just poof, negated. Also, absorbing life energies is really supernatural

[@ryanrodriguez2498]

@@debreczeniarpad9956 Wait you read Renya of Darkness? If so that’s true but here’s a thing supernatural abilities in Code Geass and supernatural abilities in Toaru two different things. The esper abilities are made up supernatural power with AIM. The supernatural abilities are nothing like that but never fully explained. Again Renya arm is pretty broken since can touch Touma and kill him. He can also absorb the life energy around him to make his arm tremendously stronger. Touma can’t do anything nor can he make his arm stronger with his own will like that since he simply negates esper and Magic abilities. Renya can also dematerialize any objects so anything Touma throws at him or if he did had a weapon they don’t do anything to his arm.

[@BlueJack222]

Magic gods are so confusing

[@dibyendughosh7940]

Omg 😲😱😲

[@iamnowhere5678]

The real question is when will Islam appear in the story? Perhaps a video idea? 👀 Ik the answer is probably cuz Kamachi doesn't want to get lynched or cancelled, but It's still pretty interesting to think about as Islam does technically exist in the Toaru universe. It would be cool if Kamachi decides to introduce Djinns in Exodus Testament or something, once he's done with Rosicrucian stuff. Perhaps wish granting abilities are too strong? I mean, we already have a stand/spirit user like Stiyl. Honestly, Muslims are an even more mysterious beings than vampires. 😂

[@AeonofHorus]

Kamachi could probably include Djnns/Genies and it would be fine, but yeah like you said he probably wouldn't want to go too far in depth about it in case of controversy.

[@iamnowhere5678]

@@AeonofHorus Yep I thought as much. Great video btw Aeon! I would've probably still been confused by some of the ADHD-driven infodumps that Kamachi does if it weren't for these magic side explained videos.

[@revialter9561]

King gilgamesh can destroy Magic gods

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@craytherlaygaming2852 Even then, Enima Elish only work at Four Dimensional scaling. Toaru have past 11 Dimensional Scaling way back in NT. So yeah. Fate is broken, but Toaru is even more so. Mostly due to Toaru Cosmology is bigger and more complex than Fate Cosmology.

[@Oueenazolatigressgina]

@@kamijounotouma5596 infinite dimensional, if you consider the fact that wave functions form an integral part of esper abilities

[@PocketCat6]

@@craytherlaygaming2852 Accelerator didn't use the platinum wings in his fight against the nerfed Magic God,he only activated the wings after the fight

[@kamijounotouma5596]

@@Oueenazolatigressgina And the infinite phases.