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[@hometheatergurus]

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[@MrJamesIreland]

My 8300 has been great so far. The build quality seems as good as any other amps I’ve owned (Marantz, NAD, Denon, Yamaha, etc). I’ve never heard the fans run once, but my equipment is in a rack outside my theatre. I’m running my Denon x3800 as a pre/pro and it still gets hot enough for the AC infinity on top of it to kick into high gear every 15 minutes, those babies run hot.

[@DarthPrater629]

Excited to see what your impressions are. I just purchased one about a month ago; still setting everything up but I have had a chance to play with the amp and I’m really impressed with the power it puts out.

[@hometheatergurus]

loving it so far.

[@alwayspushing2031]

BASX A11 in my smaller room running a 5.1.4. bit-amped LR Denon AVR all Emotiva speakers at 4ohms and 1 sb3000 is perfect! No heat issues and it's my main tv

[@o.c.g.m9426]

Got it last week. Coming from A3(140 wpc) & A7(90 wpc) for my LCR & 6 height. Wow, an immediate notice in sound & clarity. Now im getting 240+ for lcr & 105+ heights. Im not using the last 2 which imma use for bi-amp my L&R towers

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah it's a great amp. I'm still loving mine as well.

[@SpecOfTech]

Great unboxing Steve, I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the amp. I have had mine for a little while now, and it's been working like a dream. I am also excited for you to try the Crowsons. I was blown away by mine, so much so I had to get 2 more to make sure all 4 chairs had one 😁.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Barret! Yeah it's been in the rack almost a week now and it's been great and doing what an amp should. I was a little sad taking out the 7300s but honestly the 8300 sounds just as good. I've also had the Crowsons in for a few weeks now but need to modify how I installed them some but they are very nice. I got 4 so it's pretty spread out over the 4 seats. We watched the first Indiana Jones last weekend with the kids...Lots of fun and the crowsons shined. We plan to watch the 2nd one this weekend.

[@SpecOfTech]

@@hometheatergurus That sounds awesome, good to hear you are able to enjoy your theater with kiddos. Those are pretty much my exact sentiments on the 8300, it sounds just as good as anything I have had in there before it. Another solid amp from Tonewinner!

[@kenshinesca]

Looks like another great amp from Tonewinner. Even though it's superficial still wish it had the VU meter like the 7300

[@hometheatergurus]

I do love that huge meter on the 7300s. It's a beautiful amp!

[@SqueamishPuppet]

Lookin jacked!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Trying to slow down father time the best I can.

[@paulupton5557]

Love the shiny head!

[@hometheatergurus]

It's minwax...👍

[@patrykwegierkiewicz9156]

Perhaps for the review You could do a pairing with the Tonewinner AT-300? ;)

[@Paulscole3]

I would love to see a video of someone converting a wireless speaker (a wireless Klipsch speaker to be exact) into a wired speaker with terminals. This is something popping up in forums left and right because many are finding nice Klipsch wireless speakers that have no wireless base. I saw the big 5.1 with the dual 8" woofer towers on Marketplacet that started out at $1200 but over a few months dropped to $300 before it was purchased. I'm sure there are many out there that would like to see someone make a video of converting them to wired.

[@jadan2000]

looks good!

[@hometheatergurus]

It's a solid amp choice for sure.

[@coreymarotta]

11 channel amp options are looking awesome, looking forward to this one. Would love someone to do a proper review on the OSD X11 too 🍻

[@hometheatergurus]

My back hurts just looking at that tank! 😆

[@DarthPrater629]

Pretty sure Kyle Bliss bought the thing but I didn’t see any review videos of it other than the unboxing

[@Cyberdine.Systems.Model-101]

Love your channel! Would you choose the Tonewinner 8300 or the new Summit Hifi A11? Thanks.

[@garyausten5939]

I've been thinking of adding an amp as a 1st step to separates using my Denon AVR X4700H as a processor. First thinking of a 3 or 7 channel, and am/was? seriously considering the Emotive until I heard about this...just over $400 cheaper and more power per channel. Since I have a 7.2.2 system (until I get rear heights) I can use all the channels and still bi-amp my front speakers (Klipsch RP600Mii). With the Denon having 9 amps it switches between 5.1 plus front height or 7.1 without, depending on the movie/cable channel.

[@GingersKing]

I'll say many Denon's need external fans. The only AVR's I've ever had that will have the thermal protection activate (X3700H). It would get crazy hot. Fan on top finally fixed it. But I guess adding an external amp would as well! 😁

[@hometheatergurus]

Ive had many avrs over 30 years ... Damn that makes me sound old.. Ha. Never had any external ventilation. I always make sure they heat can escape. My oldest currently is 22 years old and it was on 24/7 for half of its life and never tuned off. 🤷 Just because it's hot/warm doesn't mean it needs help. If you're giving it room to vent the manufacturer has taken care of the ventilation needed. Of course it doesn't hurt at all to add extra.

[@stevelovesgod]

I use laptop coolers bottom and top

[@GingersKing]

@@hometheatergurus The unit would actually shut off from thermal protection. And there was plenty of room above the unit. These new Denons seem to have this issue. :/

[@percybedford6266]

Looking forward to your review.

[@hometheatergurus]

Coming soon!

[@percybedford6266]

@@hometheatergurus sounds good

[@brianvancalster2594]

Love your channel. Learned a lot and did a 7.1.4 setup in my basement based on your videos. If I buy this amp, do I still need a receiver that is rated at 7.4/9.4/11.4 or can I get a lesser receiver? I like the Denon series because of the tuning you can do (as mentioned in one of your videos). They also currently fit my budget. Thank you!

[@LDBaha]

You will still need a receiver capable of processing 11 channels or 13/15 if you want to add more speakers like wides or 6 atmos. However what you can do if you have this amp is move into the world of separates -- that means you get AVs that only do processing and no amplification

[@hometheatergurus]

I'm a huge fan of Anthem and ARC but D/M are good as well. They even have Dirac upgradability now which is really good but still lacks a measurement function like quick measure which is a deal breaker for me unless you know how to use something like REW to actually see what's going on after room correction. You really can't go wrong with either though as long as you understand how to manipulate their room correction.

[@KimmoJaskari]

Overkill for me, but their 5 channel amp would be pretty perfect to beef up my Marantz Cinema 70s.

[@commanderrussels2612]

heck of a deal. amazing what china can do cheaply. a lot of home theater stuff is way overpriced now, especially since the pandemic. hoping some other companies see the opportunities to undercut the greedy.

[@hometheatergurus]

I agree. They're hitting a price point that lets guys get into separates that may not be able to otherwise. The next competitor is the XPA 11 channel but it's only pushing maybe 50w with all non LCR channels driven so it's not really competing and it cost a good chunk more. This is a really well built amp and I still think the 7300 is one of the best amps I've seen even at 3x the cost as far as the build and aesthetics. I know amps aren't meant to look good but damn that is a beauty.

[@ITJesus44875]

Why is the LCR channels higher power than the surround channels? I've noticed this a lot when looking at systems and amps.

[@hometheatergurus]

This is something I really wish I had covered. This is copy and past from an earlier comment that I answered. No.. They aren't getting double the power. They are being pushed to whatever level you choose which takes x amount of power to hit x level at x distance. So in reality you may only need 50w to hit your levels or you may listen very loud, have low sensitivity speakers and sit far enough away that you need 200w to hit your levels. We only use what it takes to hit our levels. If you had the same speaker all around and the LCR were 16' away but the surrounds and rears only 8' away, you'd use less than 1/2 the power to push the surrounds and rears to the same level as the LCR. Every time we double distance we lose around 4db (in room, 6db anechoic) which takes a little over double the power to overcome. Bottom line what Tonewinner has done here makes a ton of sense for most rooms and is a great way to cut cost and offer a better priced amp without killing performance.

[@florianvogelgesang9436]

Looking forward to the review. Can you say something about huming noises of the device without and with load? I really mean the device to hum itself

[@hometheatergurus]

With no input the amp is dead silent so any noise you'd hear is from the other gear/ cables etc. The amp itself is dead silent. I get a little hum in my room but it's only with my ear close to it. It's so minimal I haven't even bothered to hunt it down. But with the amp on alone, nothing even near the tweeter.

[@florianvogelgesang9436]

Thx a lot!

[@kevonmanuel]

The real question: How much do you bench, bro?

[@hometheatergurus]

Ha.. I don't know. Back when I used to attempt to see I'd always jack up a shoulder etc, I even once hurt my bicep bar bell pressing which I didn't know was possible. I actually quit barbell bench pressing about 6 months ago. Shoulders always hurt. I found these dumbbell hangers called Mad Spotter and since then I've been able to do heavy dumb bell presses. The movement feels a lot more natural and effective. No shoulder pain at all anymore and I get better chest workouts. I'm 46 so I have to work out a lot different than I did even 10 years ago.

[@Christiansstillstruggle]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Christiansstillstruggle]

​@hometheatergurus I definitely understand. I didn't stop getting injured until I started implementing a mobility routine before my workouts. I get it can be annoying and kind of tedious, but without a proper mobility routine you are so much more susceptible to injury. Also good on you for understand you needed to change something to stop getting injured. Most people would get continue...

[@hometheatergurus]

Warm up is no longer something I do one set and jump into real weight. I do at least two sets of warm ups and some stretches before that. You have to adapt that's for sure.

[@northeastcorals]

@@hometheatergurus I'm still waiting on the home gym tour 😜

[@elongatuspiranha]

For an 11 channel amplifier, it's pretty light weight considering the watts per channel. Needing 4 fans is a no no imo. If it was designed right it wouldn't need that many fans.

[@Roof_Pizza]

can't say their quality control leaves me with confidence. Anyone see thier gear with 'UV' maters rather than VU meters? I'm not joking.

[@hometheatergurus]

It says VU. I have two of them. It also says VU on the product page. From what I hear the early versions had UV which could be taken as "unit of Volume" but yeah we are used to seeing VU and is the proper acronym. That's not a QC issue. An amp with a fault or screws missing would be a QC issue.

[@KimmoJaskari]

Quick, tell me how to write "UV meter" in Chinese. Has to be easy to get right, right?

[@666dualsport]

hello mate--- so if i was to play music through all 7 channels--- the front 3 would be heaps louder than the rears?? that worrys me, also does it come with a trigger cable? cheers

[@hometheatergurus]

No that would never happen in any system properly setup.

[@workernori]

Hello quick question for you? I’ve watched almost all your how to videos and unboxing reviews and I’m fairly new to home theaters and I was wondering. If all the movies are filmed and produced with a 5.1 surround, what’s the point of having a 11 or 7 speaker surround system. Is it the same sound duplicated out of anything above the movies sound recording? I haven’t heard an answer to this question in any videos. Thanks

[@hometheatergurus]

Most content currently steaming is in atmos and many movies are as well. Studios are mostly mixing with more than 5.1.

[@naturalfitness23]

Can you guys do a video on rear speaker placement for Samsung 990b/c they claim to be a 11.1.4 setup, but im not feeling very impressed by it. I think it's how my rear speaker are placed. Any suggestions?

[@naturalfitness23]

I'm trying to create the perfect bubble of sound. My sealing height is about 7.5 feet and the width of my room is about 14 feet and im sitting about 8 feet from the sound bar

[@hometheatergurus]

Make sure they're high enough to clear seat backs. Also make sure they are not too wide. Closer together will sound better. Also make sure the system is level matched and then try boosting the rears a few db. Take two of those and call me in the morning! :)

[@naturalfitness23]

@hometheatergurus I raised the rears 5 inches and it did the trick! Thanks for the help!

[@bigdreams5554]

Looking forward to the review!

[@hometheatergurus]

Coming soon!

[@TerminatorJuice]

Hypothetically speaking, if I had seven identical speakers for my bed layer, would it make a difference to have the LCR getting double the power of the other five speakers?

[@hometheatergurus]

No.. They aren't getting double the power. They are being pushed to whatever level you choose which takes x amount of power to hit x level at x distance. So in reality you may only need 50w to hit your levels or you may listen very loud, have low sensitivity speakers and sit far enough away that you need 200w to hit your levels. We only use what it takes to hit our levels. If you had the same speaker all around and the LCR were 16' away but the surrounds and rears only 8' away, you'd use less than 1/2 the power to push the surrounds and rears to the same level as the LCR. Every time we double distance we loose around 4db (in room, 6db anechoic) which takes a little over double the power to overcome. Bottom line what Tonewinner has done here makes a ton of sense and is a great way to cut cost and offer a better priced amp without killing performance.

[@TerminatorJuice]

@@hometheatergurus I completely forgot about the difference in distance between my LCR and my side/rear surrounds! Duh! My LCR speakers are about 11 ft from my listening position, but my rear/side surrounds are only about 5 ft away. But it was just a hypothetical because I don't have identical speakers all around. Lol

[@hometheatergurus]

I wish I had mentioned that in the video. I'll have to mention it in the update video.

[@TerminatorJuice]

@@hometheatergurus I've been a home theater hobbyist since the early 2000s but admittedly I've never been to deep into the tech side of it... For instance I didn't even level match my speakers until 2020 after watching your video about it! Now I've spent the past 3 years upgrading my room to a fairly decent level, and and thinking about going with a separate amp to give my speakers more juice. I'm currently running a Yamaha A3080 AVR which powers my 7 bed layer speakers, and then two cheaper Niles amps for my 4 height channels.

[@hometheatergurus]

If you feel you're hitting the limits of the AVR then separates can and do make a difference. The good thing is you can keep them for years even if you upgrade the processor/avr every few years, the separate amps don't need to be changed. It's a long term investment.

[@michaelnyansafo7343]

When are we getting the demo sound?😊

[@hometheatergurus]

I'll have an update on it soon. So far it's been fantastic!

[@alwayspushing2031]

I know you haven't spent time with this unit, but any initial thoughts "if possible" I am actually ordering one this weekend. Hope you could share your insights. I am using a denon 3800h with all 11 speakers are 4 OHM Emotiva speakers. 11 channel Tonewinner Amp @ $1775.00 with no tax on summit website. or Emotiva XPA Gen 3 11 channel at current sale going on $1,931.00 with tax on Emotiva website. Or do you have another combo to get me to the 11 channel? I am not overly familiar with either, thoughts?

[@hometheatergurus]

I have had some time with the 8300 and it's been great. As for the 8300 vs XPA. While the high power sections are similar the Emo is down to 65w with 2 channels on the rest while the 8300 has 105w with all 8 low power channels driven. This is substantial and assuming the Emo is likely 50w with all channels driven you're looking at 3db or so more headroom with the 8300. 50w a channel is what you'd expect from an AVR. That's just my 2 cents.

[@alwayspushing2031]

@@hometheatergurus thank you for the quick response and rock on 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[@TechinaSec101]

By far a fantastic quality product and heads/levels above something like the Emotiva.

[@hometheatergurus]

I've owned Emotiva and like them. The Tonewinners are offering a lot more for the price. Compared to the Emo 11 channel the 8300 has a lot more power on the non LCR channels as the Emo XPA 11 channel is kinda underpowered IMO on those channels with what would likely be around 50w all channels driven where the 8300 has arguably double the power.

[@DarthPrater629]

@@hometheatergurusif you didn’t speak to Aamir from Tonewinner directly when you bought the amp, I’d suggest it doing so just maybe for more context and background for your next video. From what he told me, the ratings are actually quite conservative.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@DarthPrater629 I talk to him often and yeah I know. The same is true with the 7300.

[@DarthPrater629]

@@hometheatergurus right on. It would be cool to see his amps bench tested

[@themafia3119]

I have a sunfire TGA 7401 power amplifier (class H). Do you think Its worth selling that for this unit? Or would that be a serious downgrade?

[@hometheatergurus]

If the sunfire is still kicking I see no reason to get rid of it. An Amps job is to amplify and hopefully do that without coloring the sound. Of course you need enough headroom to keep distortion down. If it's doing that you're good.

[@sandeepjohny6480]

Very good unboxing video Let me ask you something about amplifiers in reality amplifiers effect on speaker tonality even power amplifiers does not have dedicated DAC inside becouse 11 chanel power amplifiers are very few brands are providing like Emotiva XPA , Monolith and last year musical fedility also released m6 250.11 but actually is there any sound signature difference in between all thease PSU for each company amplifiers are different i belive but what about sound stage or dynamics capabilities

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! As long as the amp is capable of pushing the speaker to your levels, cleanly and the amp isn't coloring the sound you shoudln't hear a difference. An amps job is to amplify a signal and any amp with "a sound" is not something any of us should really want. That's changing the source.

[@sandeepjohny6480]

@@hometheatergurus thanks for explanation but how we can assure that amplifier not coloring the sound for example if we use source (AVR-Denon X4800h) without external amplifier watching movie and with External amplifier watching movie can identify the difference.still it's confusing like AVR are not all channel driven for full range of freequencies but amplifier works with all channel full range of freequencies. regarding calibration with amplifier & without amplifier both are same or independent

[@hometheatergurus]

AVRs are going to tap out when pushed pretty easily depending on the speakers they're pushing which kills the dynamic range and adds distortion. When you run out of power the amps clip. This is audible and the difference in a system lacking power and dynamic range vs one with head room is substantial. AS for coloring, If you try an amp and notice the amp sounds different (warm for example) then you know it's coloring the sound. Some like this but you are altering the source. So if I were to use this amp and notice differences like this I'd know the amp has a sound signature. Of course you do have to run room correction and know your target and the room needs to be tuned to that target from one test to another. You can also run no room correction and listen for a difference but the key is to make sure only the amps you're listening to are what's changing. As best you can.

[@sandeepjohny6480]

@@hometheatergurus thanks alot for detailed explanation about the subject 👍 it's really precise job need alot of patience and knowledge about the system I was watching your videos almost all episodes all are educational but one interesting doubt always remaining I saw your room & setup if a dedicated room is there then if you want to use for Hometheature purpose as well as pure 2-CH music listening then what must be the RT-time should be maintained for that room to achieve the best performance for both purpose.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@sandeepjohny6480 Treat your room with only as much absorption as needed where it's needed. Use combo and dispersion as well to maintain the spaciousness of the room and even to make the room sound larger than it actually is. Do that and your RT60 will be spot on.

[@michaelnyansafo7343]

When are we getting the update review? 😊

[@hometheatergurus]

I've got some videos to do on the new projector (nz8) and calibration... I'll make the next one after those on the 8300. I may even be able to squeeze it in sooner.

[@philipsphilips5638]

No Channel LFE subwoofer ?

[@hometheatergurus]

It's an amp. You only find LFE outputs on processors/AVRs.

[@chevron916]

Giddy up

[@hometheatergurus]

Yee Haw!