Ep. 47 Dolby Atmos Setup Major Mistakes | Fix your Home Theater and drop Jaws!! Home Theater Gurus

👉✅Mistakes are killing your Dolby Atmos and they are far too common. Achieve Atmos the way it SHOULD be HEARD! Home Theater Gurus top Atmos mistakes. Is a 7.1.6 worth it? Should you use wall speakers for Atmos? Dolby Atmos Major Mistakes.
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[@hometheatergurus]

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[@hometheatergurus]

@@cd2920 I know but it's too late as this video is made. There's very important info here. and it's free so if you want that info you're gonna have to buckle up and suffer through.

[@danielp6878]

Thank you for this video I just emailed you.

[@tikkorome5752]

I'm the Dolby Atmos mastering engineer at Deadly Mix Studios. I just wanted to watch a couple videos like this to see what information consumers are getting online so that I can take it into consideration when I'm working, but I figured I should stop and mention that this is actually really good information overall for consumers. I would add, though, that your "do what sounds best" advice should definitely come with an asterisk. In the example where you said it, yes, not much else really matters if something is blocking the direct signal. Otherwise, it's VERY important that the system is setup based on math in accordance with the recommendations provided by Dolby. It is absolutely IMPERATIVE that consumers do so. In order to ensure objects appear in their intended locations, speakers need to be where your Atmos decoder (reciever/soundbar/computer/game system) expects them to be. All the speakers work together to create the sonic illusion that a given object is moving/positioned in the space around you. If a speaker is not where it's expected to be, the effect doesn't work. This is especially problematic for moving objects because the mastering engineer designed that movement to occur in specific locations over a specific period of time. If they're too close, the sound occurs in the wrong location and the time of travel remains the same, but the distance traveled is shorter, which will make the speed slower and out of focus, or won't seem to move much at all; depending on the size ofnthe error. If the distance is too far, the speed will be in the wrong location and seem faster because it travels a greater distance in the same length of time.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! I do agree with everything you said. I think you'd really like ep 48 and 49 where we really dig into the studio guide which in reality if far more performanced based than the sales based home guide.

[@saschaanonymous2097]

Hi, im from Germany, my room have the Couch on the Back wall my Setup ist 5.2.4 with Front hights and top rear speaker. Ist this Setup working?

[@khalliwallivlogs]

This is where the extraordinary Sony 360 spatial mapping come to place I believe, the avr equipped with this makes it soo much easier for the average consumer, but still just make sure the over head speakers are angled at the listening position do the 360 calibration and voila, its really something other avrs have to look into

[@7071t6]

tell me this, if you have a 7.1 system like say yamaha AV4A or A6A and you have 2 fronts L+R, plus 2 middle Surround speakers L=R can you add 2 L+R rear surround speakers? So its a 7.1 with just 1 subwoofer? All well and good if you have ceiling speakers, what if you do not have them and you have just rear speakers at the back of the room in each corner? Will the yamaha 7.1 work with a 7.1 sound track movie and the rear back speakers provide effects based on the movie your watching? I have heard that it will not work for atmos, other sound effects like DTS or dolby (R) and other registered sound effects based on the type or brand of av receiver you have, as per its specs ? Also with earc now days ,if your tv has atmos it will maybe not transfer the sound though the av receiver and i has seen that if you have a yamaha to put the sound on STRAIGHT and then it will? Also i know you can do a sound test to see if the speakers are working based on your set up, but again it all depends on the av sound processing system for different effects etc? Anyone with feedback would greatly be appreciated? 👍👍🦘👌✌

[@HTadd1ct]

​@@saschaanonymous2097get your couch off the wall and only then you can discuss 4 atmos. If you don't believe me these videos are why

[@samgipson8735]

I watch the video and moved my speakers around ran room correction. It made a huge difference in discrete sounds and atmospheric sounds and music. I have a unfinished basement ceiling and I’m so glad I haven’t finished it yet because I probably would’ve never change them if I had to run wire and replace drop ceiling panels. I can’t believe the difference. I couldn’t find my laser so I used a tape measure extended from SPEAKER and pointed it at the listening position to get my aim right. Right now I’m using small box speakers. When I get the ceiling done I’m going to purchase ceiling speakers that are able to be aimed at the listing position. Thanks so much for sharing your expertise. This is really a game changer! Night and day difference. I never really heard the atmospherics until I change my speaker position and angles🤯

[@hometheatergurus]

Awesome... I think this comment deserves to be pinned at the top!! :)

[@reggiemurphy7028]

Yep. I agree. Fantastic video

[@mikejohnson8391]

@@hometheatergurus understand told items with THX logo like sound systems speakers sound better can produce more true Atmos or DTS:X experience so they claim means processors for audio playback was tested by DOLBY AND THX see if it meet there standards which is rare. If like video games be sure get lazy boy chairs which can butt kickers so feel and hear action. App for them goes from 100 wats and up power wise.

[@qua7771]

As a Floridian, I'm envious of people who have the basements. I always have to convert a room, and end up trying to solve all kinds of limitation issues with spaces that were never intended to be media rooms. Nonetheless, its always a treat to hear about someone else's project, and progress. I hope yours is going well.

[@colindixon806]

WOW! I have a very small room, just 13' x 10' and 7'6" high ceiling. Using 7.1.2. Just moving my speakers up 1' and changing the angle in to the listener, instead of the opposite the front speakers, made a HUMOUNGOUS difference to the Atmos sound. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'm now looking to upgrade to a 7.1.4 and know exactly where I will place my ceiling speakers!!!

[@stephenyoud6125]

I calculate the angles and distances quickly on my phone calculator using the Tan and Inverse Tan functions. Rotate the phone to landscape format to flip it from basic to scientific mode and access all the Sin, Cos and Tan functions. Rem the Tan of the Angle = the ratio of the distance OPPOSITE the angle (the ceiling distance forwd or back from above the seating position) divided by the distance ADJACENT to the angle ie ( the distance from the seating position to the ceiling, or wall). So for a 30 deg angle for/backwards at a ceiling height above ear level of 1.67 metres, you take the Tan of 30 and multiply by 1.67m to get 96 cm. (for and backwards from the seating position. I calculated all my ATMOS speaker angles from our new house building plans. if you have a known speaker position already (distance from an overhead or centreline "O") and a height or wall distance ("A")and want to find the angle. Divide O /A and use the Inverse Tan (on iPhone press the 2nd button on the Scientific calculator and then Tan (which then appears as Tan-1, to get the Angle that that speaker position makes. I reckon on ear level being about 1m above the floor. And an aide memoir for calculating angles of right angled triangles, where Sin = O/H, Cos = A/H and Tan =O/A is: Six Old Hags Came And HadTea One Afternoon, O = the side opposite the Angle, A = the side adjacent and H = Hypotenuse

[@doublesynchrohelix8613]

Thanks man... you cost me another $1100 right when I thought I was done to buy top middles lol... i had 2 extra amp channels and 2 more channels in my MC1 processor I wasn't going to use but EXACTLY as you said... "you don't need top middles in a small room" is all I heard in fact Jonathon on Youthman's 3 guy podcast style vid just last week said "you won't gain anything from adding a middle atmos row" when someone in the chat asked the exact question addressed here. As soon as you pull out the white board and explain the angles, my whole world came together with a sigh of relief as FINALLY making sense! Between conficting KZbin vids, (especially) Dolby's literature, and chatting with friends who have Atmos, I was in a constant gray area of understanding... the thing with this Ep. 47 is, we don't have to take your word for it, the angles and gaps if voids of channels are left, or speakers are placed on walls, etc, it just makes sense physically! We just needed someone to explain it better as you have and I thank you.

[@mikeferreira9376]

This is the best explanation of ATMOS I have seen. And it made me fix my placement.

[@JasonHendry22]

would recomend droping background audio from a viewer perspective its distracting for you very good info. lower it maybe 70 percent.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I've had a few say this. It sounded good on my ear buds I edit with but I guess it's still a little loud. I'll dial it back some. Thanks for the feedback. :)

[@matsudakodo]

Maybe a little, but I wouldn't say lower it by 70%...it was noticeable, but not loud.

[@HereWeGo0o0]

Leave the background music 🎵 It sounds good. Balanced and discrete. Dude complaining just doesn’t have his system dialed in.

[@jimgrimm2874]

@@HereWeGo0o0 XD

[@ericshutter5305]

Pros don't use background music when they are explaining things. You want to come across as a Pro or an amateur? has nothing to do with sounding good/bad.

[@thebrowncinema]

Great video! Wish these types of videos were out when I built my room! Next house I will take more time to plan everything out!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Yeah we don't know what we don't know. It's always a great idea to have a pro do a room layout design. Hint hint...:)

[@louietheo4449]

This is the most informative no BS video I’ve seen on this topic. So much learnt from this video that I had no idea about - and now I understand why I am so underwhelmed with my atmos setup. My speaker choice and placement is all wrong, but now I know how to fix it. Thank you

[@hometheatergurus]

You're very welcome! Report back once you get them in place. We're also on Facebook.

[@cableguydan]

Great video, Steven. A real breath of fresh air - a video purely based on accurate information. I installed my height speakers (top front / top rear) back in around 2018 and fell for one of those Dolby images (I should have read the supporting documents better) and installed in ceiling speakers firing straight down. I calculated the correct angles from the MLP, but fired them straight down. 🤦‍♂️ I hope your video spreads far and wide. Many people say how useless Atmos is, yet they purchased the cheapest in ceiling speakers they could get (because height channels don’t matter, right?!?!?) and didn’t follow the correct angles. Doh. ☺️

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Dan and yeah hopefully this saves a few people. :)

[@kevinmansell8746]

@@hometheatergurus so which is best Stereo or Surround

[@kevinmansell8746]

@@hometheatergurus my Stereo comes with a 4 speaker Sub Woofer Sharp System with Surround 2 speakers stereo is not huge but it is a very powerful sound system

[@jamesphillips9128]

Thanks another great video... I've taken the time to do the angles system design is looking a lot better ... Cheers

[@reflex4516]

Great video. My whole setup seems like it’s going to be a mess once I get it setup. I’m not sure what to do now yo make the best of it. Hopefully the Sony 360 spatial mapping will help me with some of the angles and things that I can control. I’ll probably watch this video over and over again. Lol 😝

[@gingerninja7187]

Great information,I’ve never seen such a detailed video before, surely the guys at Dolby giving us the speaker placement guide should do more to help , like yourself, I can imagine people at home will be taking measurements right now, some of the people on KZbin say you can have to many speakers , the problem is it all depends on the size and shape,from your video i gather the ideal distance is 45 degrees from speaker to speaker , give or take a bit 🤷‍♂️

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Ninja!

[@tyroneearnest4513]

Great video that I will watch again and again to get it right. However, and I realize its just for learning/demonstration purposes, it always makes me cringe when someone plops my 'head' right smack dab in the middle of a room. You even see this habit on angle charts or in guides! I suppose it doesnt much matter in a learning/guide enviroment but it always makes me wonder how many people set up their system according to these charts, and get the set up right, but install based off less-than-optimum seating locations that is oh so commonly indicated on graphs and in guides.

[@doublesynchrohelix8613]

Obviously with floor standing speakers, subs, even wall mounted speakers (to a degree), we can move them around the room, run correction again, run REW, and move things over and over. With holes in the ceiling, that's not exactly an option, unless you have a drop ceiling I guess you have some trial and error and replacement without breaking the bank or getting divorced... This single video changed my whole understanding (cost me a bit more money when I thougt my gear collection was over, lol) but super glad I watched this right before install up top. Was literally about to router my ceiling holes when I wanted to triple check KZbin for any last bits of advice. Just ordered my middle Atmos row, comes tomorrow, all 6 holes will be cut by then! Thanks, sincerely, this video is gold to me and you have a new subscriber and donor.

[@JeanSebastienGrise]

Thanks to your advices I moved my top channels from a 90 angle to 60 degree angle instead of having them in line with the mains as suggested by Dolby home setup. What a difference, while listening to Audiosphere demo I was trying to reach for the sound with my hands. Thanks man!

[@hometheatergurus]

Awesome. It's crazy how much of a difference it makes.

[@chrisbrown2174]

Thanks for the great video. I just installed my in ceiling Atmos speakers 2 weeks ago in preparation for my 7.2.4 Denon 4700H and Tonewinner AD7300 setup. Had such a good explanation of placement been available earlier I may have made some changes. I am 90% of the way there. I will review my angles and see how close I came to ideal. I thought 7.2.6 would have been overkill but now that you explain it I can see the value of the middle pair of Atmos speakers. Maybe a future upgrade will include a 13ch processor and another Tonewinner amp 😉

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Chris. There was a time I thought the same thing. :)

[@TheReverendSlim]

Bear in mind that there is a big issue with x.x.6 in the home, which is that a great number of home Atmos mixes are encoded as 9 pre-panned static objects (7 ear level and 2 heights) rather than fully dynamic objects. For instance, Ready Player One uses two static objects for heights with objects only moving slightly during the movie due to object grouping. The issue here is that with a x.x.6 layout, these two static heights will typically ONLY play back from the top mid speakers. Top Front and Top Rear will remain completely silent for the entire movie. Where x.x.4 may be better in this case is that these two static height objects will image at the top mid position, meaning top front and top rear will play this content back at equal levels, which can effectively sound better across multiple rows. Contrast that with a fully dynamic mix like Midway, which uses 7 ear level, 2 static heights, plus dynamically moving objects. In this case, the static heights still play back only from the top mid in a x.x.6 layout... but any dynamic objects can pass through any available speaker in the room, so the top front and rear still get used.

[@matsudakodo]

@@TheReverendSlim very interesting, thanks for that.

[@Dave-we1yl]

This is the single most upgrade I’ve done to my home theater for the greatest result. And it didn’t cost me a dime. If you haven’t done this you are missing out on a great experience. Thank you

[@hometheatergurus]

Great feedback Dave! It's hard to put into words how huge a difference placement and setup is with Atmos.

[@HTadd1ct]

hey. someone on avs forums claims the atmos speaker layout should be done in a circle and not a square. i tested this idea using sketch-up and the results are rather interesting. the circle spacing does end up being closer together than if i did a square.

[@hometheatergurus]

People say a lot things.. 🤷😁. I Never said it should be a square BTW. You're top rear are almost always going to be a tad closer due to the height of the rear surrounds.

[@grommie]

This is good info, about the angles is new for me.

[@HTadd1ct]

It's always been there. Read the Dolby guidelines. In particular the studio one.

[@Oleksandr-Audioholic]

Super clear and useful explanation. Thanks a lot

[@hometheatergurus]

Glad it was helpful!

[@stephenthwaite3115]

I only have a ceiling height of 6’8.I have followed your advice on Atmos speaker positioning and it’s spot on. Side speaker positioning is a challenge with such a low ceiling.You suggest 4’ high for a 8’ ceiling so does that suggest 3’4 high for a 6’8 ceiling?

[@HTadd1ct]

Ear level is the benchmark and the starting point.

[@gadgetphilosophy8290]

Hey. Thanks for making these videos. When making your illustrations it would be good if you clearly define how you drawing the diagrams. Eg. Birds Eye view. From to back view. Just I was trying to work out whether the spot you magnetically attached was facing. Even when you drew the couch and person sitting was a help toward the end of the video. . Now before you assume I’m an idiot who doesn’t get it. I’m a builder and carpenter for 30 years. I understand angles. Pythagorean theory to sin cos and tan.. it would make your videos so much easier to understand. Just thought going forward it might be handy in future. New subscriber here from Australia. Thanks for your efforts.

[@mustangfred2006]

I have been researching this speaker placement for several weeks now. I am only running a 5.1.2 setup and have multiple marks on my ceiling as to where to place my Focal Dome's for my top front. Got the lazer out to place them exactly in line with my front mains and rear surrounds. I watched this video at a good time cuz I was finally gonna screw them in tonight. Thank you so much for this video. Makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

[@vjvj3576]

great video but I got a little confused since everything is in 2D. Is it 45 degrees both forward and lateral of the main listening position?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks. Generally 45 forward and I like 35 out.

[@anoopk1771]

@@hometheatergurus 35 wont be more closer to the mlp?

[@NES088]

You've perfectly addressed 2 issues I've been dealing with, the confusion with Dolby's pdf regarding the width of the height speakers, it looked like it was contradicting itself and I wasn't sure which to follow, it made more sense to me to go angle based rather than based on the width of your mains, but you reaffirmed this with logic. Also with the tone winner channel limitations, I've been non stop thinking of choosing either wides or middle heights, but your explanation points out that I'm really choosing to fill either a 90 degree gap or 60 degree gap, looking at it this way makes it an obvious choice, thank you so much for breaking down the science.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and yep sounds like your the guy that watched the whole video...😀. I'm glad you found it helpful. It's always best to understand your hobby vs blindly doing things and never know if it's right or wrong.

[@scottnorris9079]

Also (and somebody correct me if I’m wrong) but from what I understand, width speakers don’t work with the Dolby upmixer, so bang for your buck mids are better because you’ll be using them for non native Atmos mixes

[@hometheatergurus]

@@scottnorris9079 Dolby's upmixer DSU has supported wides since an update that began getting pushed out around November of 2020. So I'd does upmix to wides and is freaking fantastic. As for wides vs top mids, if you have the atmos spaced out 90 or more then yeah top mids make sense. If you're placed per the video with 4 atmos grouped closer than wides are without a doubt the way to go.

[@scottnorris9079]

Home Theater Gurus that’s good to know. I’m a mlp focused kinda guy, no back row of anything, so I can get the heights in spec. Perhaps wides it is! Thanks for the info

[@scottyo64]

Exactly why I got out of home theater, it started getting overly complicated and overly expensive. The only company trying to simplify HT is Sony. I actually took apart my theater and turned it into a 2 channel room. When having a 7.2(1).4 system became out dated after just a couple of years......well yea.

[@hometheatergurus]

7.1.4 is still very relevant and awesome when done right. It's been relevant for almost a decade and that doesn't seem to be changing anytime soon . But it is true this hobby (home theater) isn't everyones cup of tea.

[@williamedwards3002]

Amazing video!!!! I’m hanging my 7.2.4 speakers today in my theater! If my rear atmos speakers are fixed at 45degrees to MLP due to room constraints, is it okay to bring my top fronts back to 55degrees to lessen the sweep angle btw the front and rear atmos? I know this puts my top fronts closer to me than the top rears, but I’m trying to make up for not having a top middle by bringing my current tops closer together Thank you so much! Love the channel!

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and yes pull them closer to the top rears.

[@tonystoll32]

@Home Theater Gurus - Great video as always! I appreciate the knowledge. By any chance will you do a video like this for DTS-X & Auro3D speaker placements/setups? Thanks.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Tony! I may do those in the future.

[@texxhexxmm]

What is my Reciever "doing" when 5.2.6 is installed? Atmos is Maximum 4 height speakers right ? So what Happens If i have top middle also ..will They be silent,do i have to set Some upmix? This question even Marantz could not answer😮😅😅

[@EctoPlasmic]

but what about budget conscience systems like 5.1.2? where should the atmos speakers go? There's more than just really expensive AVRs to cover.

[@JollyGiant1213]

I know right! Lol that’s what I have and I have set my 5.1.2 Atmos speakers as Top Middle on my Onkyo. My Atmos are physically placed a couple of feet in front of me on my 8 ft. ceiling. My front mains are like 10 ft. From me…

[@hometheatergurus]

I can't cover them all in one video.. :) and this was about mistakes that we see often. For 5.1.2 I would place the top middle about 70-75 degrees.

[@DavidGonzalez-rs3kt]

Blessings and Thank You for taking the time to go into detail about the importance of properly placing Atmos speakers, amazing, peace

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks David, Glad you found it useful!

[@rcauthen324]

I am screwed because my basement ceiling is only 6'-6". I am using SVS Elevation speakers for my Atmos.

[@hometheatergurus]

You're not screwed but it does take some trickery. Extreme cross aiming and ideal placement will help a ton. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lamTgGCPr6eAsLM

[@rcauthen324]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for sharing the link!

[@droidzhunterz6861]

Nice Zen music. Works well for guided meditations. But informative stuff like this, not so much. Regardless your content is excellent.

[@hometheatergurus]

Atmos and nature.... I thought it fit.. Thanks for watching!

[@kigbeckovic9685]

Thank you very much for sharing your experience. I appreciate it very much. One request to you - next time please without background music. You don't need that stuff at all. I want to listen to you and focus on the content and what you have to say. I appreciate your knowledge very much. Greetings from Serbia

[@hometheatergurus]

Thank you and as you're not the only one to think it was too loud, I'll definitely lower it.

[@7A7ER]

Learned more in 20 mins than years of random “theater setup videos“

[@hometheatergurus]

Glad it helped. Check out ep 49 for a quick method to place atmos.

[@kevinparker2068]

At 9:38 you say height speakers should be on the front wall at the 12 foot mark, but your 2D diagram is only showing room width and height (not depth because it's frame of reference is from the back of the room) so did you mean the side wall? When you were talking about center overhead speakers did you mean one or two speakers? You kept using the singular but later said 7.1.6 which would mean two. Thanks I really enjoyed it... it's all about the angles in three dimensions and not the distance apart!

[@hometheatergurus]

Those are for tops (not heights) and that's for 45 which you'll see a little later is really ideal and they should be a tad closer. The point was they go where they go based on angles. With 6 atmos note that was only if you did 45/45 which leaves a gigantic hole up top of 90 degrees so we have to solve that issue with top mid. To get a more to the point layout watch ep 49 where i pretty much give you a quick formula for my prefered placements.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

Dolby ATMOS is not the be-all end-all of surround sound. Most movies don't even have it anyway, it is far more common to have DTS:X, making the ATMOS layout irrelevant. The best way to layout the height speakers is not the somewhat incorrect ATMOS design at all. Use the Auro 3D layout, the only reason the ATMOS layout is the way it ended up is because Dolby didn't want to get sued for copying Auro. The only reason you'd be putting speakers in these positions is if you have loads of them up there and you're filling in gaps. Start out in the corners, you can't push the sound backwards.

[@hometheatergurus]

Not sure where you live but in the US it's rare to see anything not in atmos. It's everywhere from streaming on disney to netflix etc and on most movie mixes. It's not even close in any way. As for placement we have used heights in the past and also have a thread on avs. Search avs for home theater gurus atmos and you'll find it. Post one has a compilation of feedback and not one person has reported anything but wow once coming from heights or atmos spread too wide to a closer atmos grouping. It flat out sounds amazing. Most have never really heard atmos as they layout too wide. This is also how the studios layout for mixing. See audioholics and search star wars atmos and you'll see an interview with a Hollywood mixing engineer. They cover atmos in depth and how to set up in home to expience what it intended.

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

@@hometheatergurus in Australia it is very rare to see anything with ATMOS, almost any bluray or 4K bluray will have DTS:X if it has anything that high at all. It is certainly far more common, and rare to see one with ATMOS. DTS:X and Auro 3D are far better sounding formats for the most.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@CaseTheCorvetteMan not the case here at all. Dts is super rare. The mix comes down to who mixes it so one is not better. The engineer dictates the end result not the format. With dtsx you really need a VOG which is why it exists. They had a to fill the huge overhead gap. If dtsx was relevant here then yeah it would make sense to design with it. It's just far from the case in the US

[@CaseTheCorvetteMan]

@@hometheatergurus i have VoG so that's never been an issue. Where it really goes sideways is when you put the speakers where Dolby say to put them, the height stage is quite limited and close, rather than stretching right out to the front and rear of the room.

[@hometheatergurus]

@@CaseTheCorvetteMan If you mimic the studio which is a closer grouping you get to recreate what they heard and objects can be placed anywhere. Here Dolby is King, DSTX maybe 2 percent of the content.. maybe. We need to layout like the studio to recreate what they intend. If my channel was based in Australia where it sounds like DTS is king,, the videos would be based on that.

[@bigmike4133]

What height channel do you assign to the top middle in a Dolby Atmos setup? Do you use either of the middle left or middle right height channels and configure it in the processor as a top middle?

[@laionica]

Can you tell me with a Soundbar and rear speakers also Subwoofer.. Will I still get a good Dolby Atmos sound in an open concept Room. As my living room opens up into my Kitchen... .. Cheers !!!

[@HTadd1ct]

Unlikely if not impossible.

[@0-60STYLE]

Glad I stumbled upon this and thank you for taking the time to share your expertise dude for real

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and you're welcome. Make sure and see the newer videos as i have one with a one page diagram i made to quickly lay them out.

[@ghostfaceknuts]

Really great information. On a side note, are you by any chance the grown up child actor who played Peter Pans son in the 90s Robin Williams movie Hook?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and no.. Hahaha. Definitely not me. 😁

[@Astro-ck6mh]

I fucked up by trying to align my overhead with my main based on the atmos diagram... I should have brought them closer to middle line to have better separation with the surround! no way i'm reopening the ceiling tho... unfortunate!

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah that dang diagram has mislead tons of people and even installers.

[@pkhammu2005]

Great video,have seen so many high profile installers blindly following Dolby diagram. Am surprised even Trinnov engineer agreed to this layout in a podcast with Sparechange. Only Anthony Grimani said what u r saying

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Yeah I see very few "high end" designers that actually seem to understand the goal. Grimani is awesome and leans on the science and not a one page diagram. Gotta love that!

[@johngibbons579]

Any recommendations for a small space where MLP’s are backed right up against a wall? I’m running a 5.1.4 and my Rear surrounds are kind of planted in line with the couch and the rear atmos are attached to the wall close to the ceiling and do not have much separation (looking for ceiling speaker options as well) Also - I find the bass very “boomy” against the wall as opposed to if I E.g lean forward and away from the wall. Thank you

[@burakbekar3283]

Hi there. I'm writing you from Turkey. Thank you for all the videos. My english is okay but this is so technic. And in Turkey noone is professional like you. I can't get help. So i will ask very simple. I am not professional. I am just trying to the my best with the potential i have. I know the placement depends on many things. But as having a small area like 9 feet wide, 10 feet length, i am setting up 5.1.2. I will place the atmos speakers to the ceiling. I can't use the walls because right side is kitchen and there is no wall. My sofa is adjacent to the back wall with no distance. So for this length, should i place atmos speakers just over my head to the ceiling maybe a little forward? Or mid position to 5 feet? Or over the TV 10 feet? And according to your answer; sony atmos ss-cse has an angular shape. It is not flat. Should i buy a 360 degree mount to rotate it towards me both in horizontal and longtitudal line or just place them looking at me in horizontal line? As having a narrow area, the atmos have to be in line with mains also :( I appreciate if you can help me. Thanks in advance.

[@thelonewolf666]

wether or not a speaker is angled will make zero diference

[@lordw9609]

Thank you so much for pointing out the AV "influencers" who just have opinions. YoungGuy, IndustrialFather, JosephNSaid 😖 They often have bad info and setup configurations they push on lots of unknowing followers who won't know any better. Yeah I'm a hater, so what.

[@LeonBlack666]

the chanel's intro is peaking badly, not sure if its on purpose or not, but its ugly because of that.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah sorry, I've toned the following videos down.

[@kamildouglas]

what about soundbars

[@HTadd1ct]

Forget about them.

[@garycampbell6327]

Try as I may, by the time the video finished, I was left confused? I could follow it say 70% through it, but by the end? I wanted to know what would be the best set up for say 5.1.2/4 or say a 7,1.2 Atmos setup. in the average room size it was showing. But came away with not really knowing what that placement would be. Is it just based on a 5.1.6 set up?

[@hometheatergurus]

Hey Gary. In most rooms I'd do a 9.1.2 before I'd do a 7.1.4. If you have processor that supports wides.

[@garycampbell6327]

@@hometheatergurus Hi Sevie, thanks for the reply. Steve could you point me to one of your videos that show a 5.1.4 setup including heights etc. Many thanks in advance

[@gufiaito69able]

I have a 10x14 room with 11.1.4 and I need help with placement I see. 🤣

[@jsngb12]

Thank you!!! I placed my top mids according to your measurements and very pleased with the sound im getting. Its a very different experience for sure. I can now distinguish and feel the sounds coming off those speakers.

[@EricMulder1]

Bit of an odd situation: the room I'm planning to build has a 9' ceiling for most of the room, but from the back wall, to about 4 feet out, I have the HVAC bulkhead running which reduces the ceiling height to 8'. How would I calculate the rear atmos placement for this situation?

[@WOLFx1950]

So if my overheads have a tweeter that I could angle , then I should point at the listening position instead of make it fire downward right?

[@hometheatergurus]

Absolutely. Aim Them!!!!

[@mikejohnson8391]

Need be sure need use external devices when using Disney plus because certain titles from marvel studios in 4K IMAX enhanced quality with ATMOS quality at least that what Disney plus like Doctor strange.

[@SpartanG087]

Is there some tool that automatically determines speaker placement if you enter in room dimensions, MLP and the desired angles? This is helpful, but I am terrible at math

[@hometheatergurus]

There's some online but none I'd use. Theyll place seats right in a null, don't place surrounds, rears nor atmos properly IMO and place mains flat in a wall. If you need help my email is in the description.

[@SpartanG087]

@@hometheatergurus I do need help. I'm terrible at math. I just sent an email

[@warrenxanthos8241]

Great video! Great information! I would love to see it in a SketchUp file! Or even more ambitious, in a Fusion 360 file. Then you could change room dimensions and the speakers would move accordingly!

[@PTL4179]

Better yet if audioadvise free design tool can integrate the atmos speaker placement into their current app

[@tylerdavison4971]

Man I just wanted to setup a true dolby atmos system for under a grand, maybe a bit more. Today I learned how ridiculous that is :/ Was really hoping I could do something for under a grand since my room is 10x10x8 but with the receiver and needing that many speakers... It will be a while. I feel like I could do a hack job but Idk if I could just let it go, not being done right. Sort of defeats the purpose. (btw, HOW are receivers more expensive than building an entire gaming computer. Seems insane.)

[@tylerdavison4971]

Side note, thanks for the info. Reality of this situation has me in a down mood, but if/when the time comes, this is excellent info. Well done.

[@matsudakodo]

My AVRs tend to cost around the same as my computer builds. I agree they are expensive.

[@aPlateOfGrapes]

Good stuff... two questions. First, I'm running a 9.1.4 system. I have the two sets of sides within the threshold of degrees you lay out in your videos. However, many Atmos tracks don't use both sets of sides... how do you account for situations like that? Second, any movies/tracks that you recommend to do a real life test of the system?

[@MarymMatthews]

I’ve noticed that too. My wides are rarely used by Atmos tracks. I’ve now added two more ceiling speakers (7.1.6) and found a noticeable improvement in sound.

[@aPlateOfGrapes]

@@MarymMatthews do you find that the 6 overhead are used more frequently?

[@MarymMatthews]

@@aPlateOfGrapes on Atmos encoded tracks, yes.

[@hometheatergurus]

As discussed yeah wides aren't always used on Atmos mixes, kind of a shame. Wides are used by DSU and most of us watch a lot of content that is 5.1 etc. So wides will get plenty of use here. Play the original Iron Man at the beginning where the convoy is attacked and Starke is taken. go stand next to the wide. Also a few tracks up where the reporter is waking up from his bed, and then the part where he's flying around avoiding the jet. That's just a demo I did for a client recently showing how active wides are with DSU.

[@aPlateOfGrapes]

@@hometheatergurus Awesome, thank you! I've got some tweaking to do this weekend, I suppose. I used those RSL speakers you mentioned in the video, so maybe I'll snag a few more of those. Thanks for these videos! I've rewatched some of them many times while I eas building my HT and they helped immensely.

[@robertadlington650]

i like your video but that backround noise you have on is giving me a headache lol

[@hometheatergurus]

Ha, thanks. Yeah I know, Sorry once they're uploaded I can't go back in and edit it.

[@spazzychalk]

What's the angle for front left and right floor towers?

[@MrBonger88]

There’s still so much misinformation out there. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen people telling others that the ceiling speakers need to be inline with the main speakers. I would have done just that if I hadn’t seen this video. Thanks for this. Very informative

[@hometheatergurus]

yep that is one of the goofiest placement ideas I've seen. Absolutely zero known angle and most often unless you have a really tall ceiling they are always placed way to wide and smearing with the bed layer. There's a reason that only exist in dotted lines and not in any written wording. It's almost like someone got confused when they made the diagrams.

[@WilliamEdstrom]

Hello. I just bought a 5.1.2 speaker setup. Where should I mount those atoms speaker, 45 degrees in front or right above me, or maybe somewhere in between?

[@HTadd1ct]

80 degrees elevation which is almost directly above you slightly in front

[@evilawkeye2215]

What a great video, wish I had watched this years ago! Definitely going to review my speaker positioning again. It just makes sense the way you explain it!

[@hometheatergurus]

Awesome. If possible go straight for the 35 out I recommended and no farther. If you're doing 4 up top go about 35 -40 forward. Then report back. I'm compiling all the feedback on an AVS thread.

[@arnelcomia2060]

Fix the audio. production of movies.thats it!!

[@hometheatergurus]

ohh... you may wanna watch the video. A great atmos track in a poor room will sound like a poor atmos track. The studio cant set your room up optimally. But yes it would be nice if all Atmos tracks were very well done.

[@arnelcomia2060]

That 100% true useless avr atmos bec.of movie .!!

[@timothyclauw7035]

Great video and very informative. If I’ve set up my heights(svs prime Elevations mounted to my ceiling) per your videos and Dolby Atmos , should I assign in my Denon 4500 as top front and rears which is in the correct placement but only will output Dolby Atmos old dts-x or should I assign as front and rear HEIGHTS , to gain Auro 3D ? I’m not really noticing an overall immersive experience. Thank you for all of your videos and knowledge you share to help out the dedicated enthusiasts.

[@durbin5922]

What about the angle of the speaker like an in-ceiling speaker? All the Atmos speakers are not going to be angled to wholly face the MLP. The C34E MKII is 15 degrees. So how does that work out?

[@hometheatergurus]

You need to aim as much as possible. The 34 also has an amiable tweeter so it can hit farther than 15 degrees. When I use them in designs i pull the atmos in some and don't go all the way out to 45 degrees forward.

[@durbin5922]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks. I'm ready to buy the 34's but before I do what is your opinion on the angled mounting brackets for height speakers? The website for RSL has 10% off right now btw

[@jimgrimm2874]

This is so damned good! I'm nowhere near ready to install a wicked theater system but I find this theory unreasonably interesting 🤟

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Jim!!!

[@nooblifter390]

What is your bech press?

[@hometheatergurus]

Ha.. not what it used to be. I'm 46 now so if i go too heavy something on me breaks..:). I don't like to go over 225 for reps.

[@nooblifter390]

@@hometheatergurus you are huge...

[@beyondnoyeb]

Awesome video, one of the best I’ve seen outlining all this. While I know lcr placement wouldn’t be as fun a video, do you have a similar video for them? I am building a full triad room as well with the gold lcr, so super in line with your current build.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! Yeah ep1 covers that but be warned it was my first video and isn't going to win any awards.. :)

[@protiliusproductions]

(stares at his 7x12meter space.) And Jesus wept…. because there were no more studios left to conquer. (Swigs whiskey bottle closing door behind him.)

[@mmark300]

Information that would have been nice to know 4 YEARS AGO!! Haha - although mine isn't THAT bad and I do have some room restrictions, it could definitely be better.

[@hometheatergurus]

ha...I've learned the hard way so I've been there... :)

[@jvonengeln]

I’ve visited a lot of Atmos home theaters, the best ceiling speaker setups have always been the tighter groupings. I cringe every time I see someone line up their Atmos ceiling speaker with their L/R. I’d venture even 45* is too wide for optimal. Narrower is better in practice.

[@hometheatergurus]

Yeah I agree. I like to stick to 35 but I'd choose 30 rather than going wider towards 45. the gap just gets to wide to realistically fill.

[@BoyGenius-1]

Great video. I’ve always looked at those Dolby drawings with speaking separation in mind…first. Looking forward to the AVM70 review. I’ve been trying to decide between it and the Monoprice HTP-1, so that Tonewinner review would help also.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks BG! I need to get the AVM70 video out. I should have the Tonewinner 300 in for review in the near future.

[@adrigonzyify]

@@hometheatergurus Thank you very much 👍😉And Sexy Arms & Cute Bald 😉👍🔥🔥🔥👏👏👏

[@Enoch-Root]

Wife and I are getting our apartment done up now, our living room is fairly small and we've gone with a 5.1.4 system. Due to room constraints the sofa is against the back wall, and the rear atmos will be directly overhead. Our other problem is that with small children we have had to go with bookshelf speakers which are well above ear level, with the centre speaker at ceiling level due to going with a 150" projector screen (if we put it under the screen kids would be able to reach it). I'm wondering how much can be overcome by the fact that the bookshelf speakers will be on adjustable mounts, allowing us to adjust the angles? Have the electrician coming tomorrow to install the speaker wiring in the walls, so I'll go over there some time today and check the angles for where we've indicated the speakers should be installed.

[@shreesaiyt]

Really important video I had came acrossed while redesigning my home theatre. Hope will get those jaw dropping effect from my Atmos! Thanks in advance!

[@Pk1da]

This was the most informative video I've found on speaker placement. I'm still quite a few years from building my own dream home theater but it's alright, I'm patient. I'll definitely implement this knowledge. Thank you

[@MSRWorkshop]

Great video but the background music was terrible and sooo distracting. Made it really hard to pay attention !

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and yeah I've had a few say that. I'll dial it down on the next one.

[@robertofleitas2612]

Hello, where can I download demos, movies or music in Dolby Atmos to test my setup (Denon x3800h with 5.2.4), thank you?

[@Ballistica242]

This was fantastic, where would be the ideal placement where only 2 height channels are possible (AVR only support 5.1.2), overhead in the middle (90 degrees to bed layer) or weighted towards the front and angled?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks. Top front about 35 forward and 35 out

[@socool8860]

Oh I am 16x13 8ft ceilings

[@diamondjiwanpuri]

Hi mate, love your videos 🤝 best home theatre advice that I can find on youtube 👍 Just wondering if you are able to help me out with atmos speakers locations? I am lacking the atmos feel. Room size is 14.1 feet wide x 16.4 feet long x 9 feet ceiling height. Couch is 4 feet from back wall. One row of seats. Klipsch RP8000F towers Klipsch RP504 Centre Klipsch RP600M x 4 surrounds Klipsch Pro 180RPC x 4 Atmos Klipsch R-115SW x 2 subs Maybe the atmos speakers choice is wrong? These are down firing and tweeter cannot be inclined. Thanks in advance 🙂

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks and yeah you know the answer to that question..:). If you want great atmos I would not choose that Atmos speaker for the reasons in the video.

[@diamondjiwanpuri]

@@hometheatergurus Hi mate, I tried looking for angled speakers and unfortunately very limited options in Australia and moreover very expensive. I already have 4 x Klipsch PRP-180RPC speakers installed in ceiling. Do you think creating a custom box to incline these speakers will work? or do you know any angled enclosures that can convert standard ceiling speaker to fit on an angle? Thanks.

[@Scarrier-pu5lj]

Can you please tell me ...I am using Netflix for movies. Netflix wants me to pay 10 dollars more for Atmos and the standard (10.00 less) is 5.1 for the sound . Why cant I save about 10.00 a month if I use my Auro 3 D to upmix the 5.1 to Auro 3D ?.I do not care about 4k ...just sound. .Is this possible ?

[@hometheatergurus]

It's $10. You spend that on a coffee. Get the atmos! On a properly laid out system atmos even on Netflix is awesome. For what we spend on our systems don't let $10 keep you from enjoying it to the max.

[@Scarrier-pu5lj]

@@hometheatergurus only thing is I was told if I can get Auro 3-D then it blows away Atmos

[@Finn-McCool]

This has shined a light on the inadequacy of my set-up. My ceiling is only 7' so my front heights especially, need to be moved from the front wall out into the room along the ceiling. As it stands, the angle of attack from my ears to the center of the speaker is ridiculous. My front heights are approximately only 4' above my ears but 8' in front of my ears. The horizontal spread is probably fine. But I need to remember that as I move them in to the room along the ceiling I need to move them toward my ears along that plane rather than simply moving them off of the wall at 90° in order to get the preferred angle of attack from speaker to ear. Thanks for this info. It really clicked when you mentioned angles are ultimately the crucial parameter. Not distance or height necessarily. An inclinometer and a laser pointer with some duct tape make for a great little tool for all of these placement shenanigans. Thanks for the videos. Learned a lot. -👍🏼

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Fin!

[@Finn-McCool]

@@hometheatergurus I have a question regarding the changes I need to make in my speaker placement. Is it necessary to tell my processor that my configuration is now (FC-RC) rather than the (FH-RH) that I have chosen in the processor menu? Moving from Front and Rear Height to Front and Rear Ceiling seems like I should choose that particular configuration in the menu. Right? I am not using in-ceiling speakers I only own the on wall "style" of Atmos speakers. Namely some inexpensive old Polk M5 speakers. Big brother to the M3ll I suppose and probably Polk's early version of their Atrium line. Only chosen because I have 6 old Polk RT55 as my base layer with a CS400 center channel. They have similar speakers from the same era so I assumed the timbre would hold up. Sorry to be so wordy with my question. I suppose I should set my processor both ways and see which one sounds best ultimately. -✌🏼

[@hometheatergurus]

@@Finn-McCool see ep 3. The tolerances for heights and tops actually overlap mostly as front to back degrees. But yes I would label them exactly based on where they are angle and placement wise.

[@Finn-McCool]

@@hometheatergurus Fantastic, thanks. -👍🏼

[@shaolin95]

so if we cannot do 13 speakers we are screwed is what you are saying (6 atmos)...

[@hometheatergurus]

hmmm , I'm not sure you watched the video. It's saying what you do have, install them properly so you get the most out of them.

[@ramonbmovies]

Good video. I'll check placement of my atmos channels, as I swear I don't hear them most of the time, but when I put my ear right up to them they're working. I've always figured it was a placement issue. All I know is that when I go to the theater, I see 4 surrounds on the left, 4 on the right, and 4 in the back. That's in addition to the mains, center and the subs in the front. The ceiling is so high that I can't imagine they put speakers on the ceiling. In my estimation, theaters only have speakers on all 4 walls, high up, facing downward. I bet the speaker specs are basically full range, high power - because sometimes I see the woofers if the lighting is just right and they're at least 10", maybe 12" woofers. So that's 12 speakers just for the surrounds, each w/ a 12" woofer. Again, not including the mains, center and subs behind the screen.

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks! See the newest video as I actually go more in depth with placement and we look at a cinema layout just to compare.

[@max-timothy-lev9834]

I want to compliment my new LG TV for my basement using Dolby Atmos using a soundbar and subwoofer. Three questions: 1) Do I need to make use of the same maker (OEM) in order to maximize my technology such LG TV with a LG Atmos subwoofer; 2) Can I mix and match OEMS with TV and Soundbar/subwoofer; and finally, what are your thoughts regarding soundbars/subwoofers?

[@hometheatergurus]

I don't do much as far as sound bars go beyond 3.0 soundbars that are custom to the width of the TV and have 3 individual channels in them and can be integrated into full system to any channel count . That said the package sound bars can sound surprisingly good. They will not compete with a true system but for some they don't care. Reflective atmos will not compete with actual speakers properly placed, but it's better than nothing. If you just want a good sound but don't care to go all out and understand it's not going to compete with a well setup home theater system then go for it. Some of the sound bars even have surrounds.

[@codychavarria6088]

I'm going to use 4 of my clips satellite speakers from about 15 years ago 10 years ago for my atmos. So I'm not wasting my speakers and I don't have to buy any new ones.

[@hometheatergurus]

That's a great idea!

[@josemelendez2910]

You have to be kidding me with this nonsense measurement who cares about this measurement 5.1.2 the atmos in front high or in the ceiling. 5.1.4 the atmos in the ceiling front an ceiling back. Who have time to do all this measurement please, I have a 5.2.2 and no measurement for nothing I used my ears and common sense and settings on my receiver. I'm sorry if you find me rude but I don't believe on all of those measurement mumbo-jumbo.

[@thomastonia263]

is there anything out there to show for a sloped ceiling? ive been trying to find something to help me with placement but cant fin andything.

[@hometheatergurus]

See the latest video on Atmos but also realize the angles fall where they fall so sloped ceilings aren't an issue if you can lay it out on paper. If you need help I do offer consults and full layouts to atmos only layouts. See the video description for contact info.

[@gab7344]

Awesome video. You are the only person that really explains the speaker placement well and how it may affect the sound output ect. The average person who is starting out doing their own install, would just go bythe Dolby layout drawings thinking that is the proper layout. A costly mistake. Great work keep it up please. My Question which I'm still not sure of is the MLP placement. If my room is 5m long do I sit at 2.5m or should it be 3quaters of the room away from the screen ?

[@hometheatergurus]

Thanks Gab! Check out ep 11 as it walks you through using a very easy to use calculator where you can visualize the modes and see seating options.

[@gab7344]

@@hometheatergurus Thanks for reply. I will check out ep 11

[@joker927]

I watch videos like this, take notes, then realize I can't do any of it due to room limitations lol Compromises must be made

[@hometheatergurus]

Yep sometimes that just the way it is.

[@paulk9534]

How about only two ceiling speakers but with two rows of seating? Is it better to heave them fwd of the first row or slightly behind the primary seating position? If theres going to be a gap… where should it have least impact?

[@thomastv914]

Does atmos config support a Voice-of-God speaker?

[@hometheatergurus]

No but if you have your atmos laid out properly a VOG is as useless as a screen door on a submarine. :)

[@craiglamb9029]

I too made the mistake of following the Atmos setup diagram. I ended up being dissatisfied and saw the DTSX demo rooms. Realizing they have the height speakers aimed at the listening positions. I learned not to use downfiring speakers. Ended up removing them and getting some higher end bipole speakers and mounting them on my ceiling around 45° @MLP. The baffle is already angled. Made all the difference in immersion.

[@hometheatergurus]

yep, That diagram needs to be updated quick.

[@iSleepDoc]

Another great video 👏👏👏👏👏 Coincidentally on the same pattern, I used my physics /sound and optics knowledge to set up my system a year ago….thanks for your great info..🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@matsudakodo]

How?

[@jameshaydel8262]

Sure would like to hang my six Atmos speakers from the ceiling on mounts (not in ceiling, not on wall) so I can really aim them. Can't seem to find speakers with threaded inserts (not key hole, hanging a key hole mount from the ceiling is unsafe sounding to me). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I've see inserts you can diy but putting them in MDF speakers doesn't seem very safe either.

[@DaniloZimatore]

Definitive Technology ProMonitor 800. Un saluto dall'Italia

[@jameshaydel8262]

@@DaniloZimatore thanks for the info. Exactly what I'm looking for. Just looked at the reviews on crutchfield and everyone seems pleased. Also considering SVS satellites. Never saw the DT's on crutchfield so I appreciate your help (time consuming looking at the backs of different speakers online). Asked crutchfield for help and the only one they clued me in on were the SVS. Once again thank you.

[@BoviDaze]

Seriously man. I wish I came across you video sooner. I did everything wrong.

[@hometheatergurus]

Hate to hear that but I've been there myself!