LIES the POLICE Use to Manipulate You

[@AcmeRacing]

I was 19 the first time I caught a cop in a lie. He told me he had a witness ready to testify that I'd done something I hadn't. He gave me a ticket, but when I went to court to plead not guilty the complaint had been withdrawn. Would have been nice if he'd told me that before I put on a suit and missed a day of college classes.

[@JD-tn5lz]

Now. What probably happened is that the witness wouldn't appear since the LEO doesn't usually have the same powers of subpoena in a traffic case as a criminal.

[@JD-tn5lz]

Or gee, I love the Constitution as much as anyone...but what does that say about you as a man...refusing to take accountability for your actions. Sounds like a Real Man

[@solventtrapdotcom6676]

They'll never tell you. All they want to do is antagonize and torture you any way they can.

[@OneOddDuck]

@@JD-tn5lz are you trying to be sarcastic?

[@troystutsman1400]

@@JD-tn5lz Didn’t you see where he said that he hadn’t done anything…?

[@dougtriplett]

I never talk to them. Last time I dealt with a cop it was at a drunk driver check point. I don't drink but these illegal stops drive me nuts. I was in a small town with my friend who is an defense attorney in our state. He hates these things as well and when we realized what was happening we couldn't go around. I pulled up and stopped as directed. I spoke to the officer through the window. He asked me to roll it down and so I did. He asked for license and insurance which they can demand in WV. I handed those to him. My Buddy was watching the whole time of course. The officer asked how our evening was going and I said well. What are you doing in town? we are driving now. What were you doing before this? Minding our own business. Where are you headed? Down this road Where to down the road? That direction and nodded forward. Where have you been? That direction and nodded behind me. Have you been drinking? I do not have to answer that question (We hadn't but NEVER give them an inch). Do you know why we are stopping everyone? To conduct an illegal sting operation in hopes someone is so inebriated they cant see the dozen police cars flashing lights at your checkpoint and just drive around and so you can therefore entrap them. He got pissed at that point. lol He kept asking where I was going and where I had been and all kinds of stupid questions trying to get me to say something. I finally said, If I am not being detained I am leaving now. You have no cause to detain me. Am I free to proceed. He said, If you're going to be a smart ass I may pull you to the side and search your truck. Officer I have respectfully answered every question. Am I free to leave or am I being detained. What will I find if I search your truck? You wont search my truck without a warrant. And since you do not have cause to pull me aside things will not go well for you officer. He said I think I am going to serach your truck. Then I am done speaking nd invoke the 5Th and am directing you to have all further conversations with my attorney tonight. Attorney? At night? What are you talking about. At that point i held my hand over to my buddy who gave me his business card and I handed it to the cop. He shut up and said get out of here.

[@maxinac]

Bahahaha power move "bring your lawyer to the traffic stop". Obviously a chanced thing but hilarious

[@dougtriplett]

@@maxinac Total chance but you can't pass up an opportunity like that! My buddy and I laughed all the way home.

[@D-FensDogG]

@@dougtriplett Fantastic story! Loved it! Thanks for sharing it. (As I always say: Timing is EVERYTHING!)

[@dannygjk]

Nice but it is risky to be that edgy some cops will record your license in a little black book then if they ever see you do the tiniest illegal thing they will screw you to the wall. For example roll thru a stop sign at 2 miles per hour and he will have your ass.

[@crawfordsmith3700]

Thanks. Commendations.

[@michaeltuggle9602]

It’s perfectly legal for an officer who’s sworn to uphold the law to lie to a citizen. Think about that.

[@MikinessAnalog]

I think it is even an oath in most places.

[@larryloftis9064]

Just think about who gave them permission to LIE, the all-powerful SCOTUS!!! That tells you how corrupt and immoral they are.

[@JuanPerez-fv7bg]

@@larryloftis9064 People are stupid, they think the "Honorable" Supreme Court members are some kinds of saints, apparently due to the robes. Ehem, dumbasses, they are the "cream of the crop", LAWYERS!

[@RedEyed2012]

The problem is when the police lie to the public.

[@coolgamers2794]

Most cops lie to get you to tell the truth. If you are innocent; then you got nothing to worry about. Even if a cop falsely arrest you; then you got a lawsuit.

[@janethammond5925]

We had a case here in New Zealand back in the 1970s involving the double murder of a couple called Harvey and Jeanette Crewe. The police needed to pin it on someone so focused on Arthur Allan Thomas, a trusting naive farmer against whom they had no legitimate evidence. Thomas fully cooperated with the police, volunteered all kinds of information because he thought the police were the good guys. Long story short, the police planted evidence against him (cartridge shells in his garden) and he was convicted of murder. There was a retrial a few years later, where the police not only socialised with, and influenced the jurors, but suppressed information from the defence which would have freed Thomas. He spent nearly 10 years in prison before being given a royal pardon. The Detective Inspector was PROVEN to have planted the false evidence plus the other things mentioned, but did not lose his job in the police, nor was he ever convicted of a crime. That case changed New Zealanders perception of the police forever...before they had been trusted, now we view every high profile conviction with suspicion. Which is sad for the honest officers but trust broken cannot be regained.

[@jeaninesullivan7716]

WOW. Unfortunately, in America that's not too far fetched but, even though I don't know too much about New Zealand, that was surprising. I hope the wrongfully convicted gentleman at least received compensation but that seems unlikely since no one was punished for destroying his life. Smh

[@janethammond5925]

@@jeaninesullivan7716 Yes I seem to remember that he was awarded nearly one million dollars in compensation, which back in 1980 would probably be the equivalent of five to ten million now. He deserved every penny of that money too. He bought a farm, married again and had a child, but living with the trauma of being wrongfully convicted has deeply affected him, especially the knowledge that he lost 10 years of his life due to police corruption. One more thing...an investigative journalist here in NZ has uncovered evidence that the Detective Sergeant who was second in charge of investigating the case may actually have committed the murders himself. He died many years ago so nothing further can be done, but another horrible development in a horrible case. 😔

[@damian_cross]

I love telling this story: In New York City I was pulled over and given a roadside breathalyzer. The police freaked out at the result and told me I was going to jail, which made no sense to me cause I was pretty sure I sobered up long before I got behind the wheel. The cops took my car and arrested me. Then they started trying to convince me to refuse the breathalyzer at the station, saying if I blew anything other than all zeros I'd go to prison for a long, long time whereas refusing would be a simple license suspension for 6 months. I smelled a rat and decided to take the test anyway, but I said nothing. They brought me to the highway patrol office, made fun of me, then recorded the breathalyzer test result: 0.4. "Oh no, I'm done for!" I thought as they turned off the camera. Then the highway patrol looked at me and said "congrats, you're a free man". The arresting officer was furious, apparantly this was a tryout for him and he failed miserably. He was like "what now?" and the patrolies shot him a dirty look . "Don't know. This never happens." They had to void the arrest and give me back my car. It took all night, but fuck em.

[@tumblr6797]

Can you explain that to me? It makes no sense. You took the breathalyzer and it showed you were intoxicated. Why didnt you get into trouble?

[@lothara.schmal5092]

@@tumblr6797 They lied about the results and then tried convincing him not to take the real test

[@damian_cross]

@@tumblr6797 the cops lied about blowing all zeroes. 0.8 is intoxication and I was nowhere near that cause I sobered up before I got behind the wheel.

[@alessandroc47]

@@damian_cross I believe 0.08 is the legal limit, 0.4 would indicate you were 5x the legal limit.

[@UnknownGamer40464]

@@alessandroc47 Nah I believe this totally real story. He was probably 4.0 BAC when this happened and this is his recollection of events.

[@jeffery19677]

NEVER TALK TO COPS OTHER THAN SAY, "I know you are just doing your job, Officer, but I don't answer questions without my attorney's advice."

[@cobracommander9138]

Why are you being difficult? You are making this harder than it is. If you have nothing to hide why don't you just tell me what happened.

[@jborrego2406]

@@cobracommander9138 then they arrest u for so bs . What part cops lie don’t understand

[@somerandomjackass4802]

@@jborrego2406 no cobra, is paraphrasing what a cop will actually say to you to coerce you into a confession.

[@sum1337]

@@jborrego2406 hey you look nervous and on the defensive ....that's suspicious....oh wait what is that smell you smell that partner ? officer 2 : YUUUUUP

[@tovarco]

@@sum1337 Yes cant they do something like this? Especially with two of them there.....your word against theirs?

[@razorbak6783]

Even a fish would never get caught if it kept it's mouth shut.

[@mikehunt6867]

It would starve to death though.

[@davef.2811]

They would use a stick of dynamite and then a net to get hold of you.

[@mikehunt6867]

@@davef.2811 Or a mothafuckin bear would catch him in it's mouth.

[@mikehunt6867]

I don't think that Razorbck is the sharpest razor in the box. I really think that he should have kept HIS goddamned mouth shut!

[@billyandrew]

*Mike Hunt* Is it his lack of response that triggered you?

[@terezjordon2290]

Good tips ! Say as little as possible! I had an incident 2 years ago, while on a travel nurse assignment where police were accusing me of a dui …I was simply waiting for a tow truck because my car was stuck on a curb in the snow… I had no idea the curb was there under 6 inches of snow. I told the police upfront I am recording them. When the female officer demonstrated the sobriety test that I agreed to participate in, she was slipping and sliding around. I laughed out loud( probably shouldn’t have, but I couldn’t help myself) I said while laughing, you want me to do something she can’t and she’s in sneakers, I am in high heeled boots? They took my phone which was recording and I was immediately arrested, taken to jail. No bah,no blood alcohol. I hired an attorney, spent over 7k to have this dealt with, the case was dismissed and being expunged from my record. The accusation, pending case has effected my nursing career. I feel I was found guilty until proven innocent. I am definitely not a fan of the police nor the judicial system. I feel because my case was dismissed, it should automatically be removed off my record. No , I had to pay an additional $2k and go through hoops and show up to court hearings in that state , that I was no longer in for the expungement. The expungement was approved, but is still in process! I feel the police department and the court/ state should be reimbursing me for my attorney fees, court fees, lost wages, travel expenses, ect!

[@jackreisewitz6632]

And yet, the fact is that even when expunged, the record of the incident doesn't cease to exist. Access is still available. It's just no longer part of your "Legal Record." The unofficial files on you still exist, because, you're right. In the eyes of the police, you are guilty until proven innocent. And in their eyes, that never happens. You just beat the system And they want to always know who the crooks are. That's the public in general, and anyone they decide to arrest in specific.

[@uuuultra]

Shouldn't have been joking around with them

[@PrettycoolFactzAccount-ep7kv]

Ay STFU it's easy just to talk

[@roadrunner3867]

Good grief! Sorry lady. It probably would have cost you less if you had been drunk. American justice at work.

[@selfdo]

@@uuuultra If laughing at that female cop is what got her busted, it was done with malicious intent.

[@TheKeefeStone]

I was 15 when I found out cops can legally lie to a suspect in order to try & gain evidence of a crime. & in my life, I have learned that trusting known liars is a good way to get kicked in the nutz. & thus, after discovering that fact, I have taken the position that anything beyond pleasantries isn't necessary. I don't like liars, I don't associate with liars, & as such I do not speak to police.

[@Gottaculat]

Same with insurance agents, at least those shitbags at Geico. Fuckers threatened me with charges of perjury if I lied on my statement. I told the honest truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth about my road debris incident that totalled my car. Those fuckwads not only denied payments on an absurd technicality, but then they proceeded to lie on the official report, filing it as me hitting another vehicle. That was an absolute lie, and the results are if I go to another insurance company, my rates will be sky high for 3 years following the accident. I was nearly killed in that accident, left immobilized for over a month. I wanted to fight it in court, but with no car (and no job as I drive for a living), plus medical bills, and needing to buy another car, I couldn't afford legal fees. All I can do is spread the word that Geico will fuck you over, and go with a more trustworthy insurance company. Gonna try Allstate. I talked to them about it. The guy's mouth literally dropped open, and he was appalled, even saying I should find a lawyer, that what they did to me is illegal. I can't trust anyone or the system at this point. I just want to work an honest job and live my life in peace. Seems like that's too much to ask for these days.

[@zbj4240]

Amen, f**k 12!

[@je2338]

Be specific. In Australia police cannot lie to obtain an admission. Stop saying "police" and be specific in relation to what police you are speaking about.

[@zewhatyouwannasay]

@@je2338 We’re talking about police on an American video about American police and American law. I think it’s pretty clear that the OP is talking about the American police, not the Australian police.

[@je2338]

@@zewhatyouwannasay why is that clear? Why can't he be an American living in another country talking about that countries law? Or, what if I cannot tell the difference between a US accent and a Canadian one? Point is, this guy is a lawyer and should be specific about where his advice applies to. Young people living in other countries may take his advice as applicable to them and get themselves into trouble.

[@JMulvy]

Ha, even in middle school I knew this. I was taken to the principle's office because I had an x-acto knife on me (for an art project) that I was given permission to use in my English class because my work was already done and had nothing else to do. They had a notebook that they would hand you and would expect you to basically write your confession down. When they came back to the empty little room to retrieve my confession they got angry with me when they saw it was blank. I still got suspended because of their "zero tolerance" policy but boy did my father have a field day tearing out the VP when they called my parents in.

[@mikew3194]

Atta boy.

[@m.d.rofarm1665]

Ever realize cops and teachers went to the same classes? My favorites are "You know what you did." and "Are you going to let me talk? Are you going to listen to me?" Even when you haven't said anything or they ask, "Explain yourself", they always butt in with "Are you going to let me explain?" Then when you want them to explain asking them "Why am I being detained?" They say "I'll tell you after you give me your license." Both act like scumbags sometimes.

[@JMulvy]

@@m.d.rofarm1665 My fam was middle class, but my school was built on the edge of a yuppie estates. Even the principal was a pompous, pretentious ass.

[@phlushphish793]

My brother got called into the principal's office. He could hear him questioning another kid while waiting. A teacher's car got soaped & they thought he did it. They started with, "Do you know why we called you in here?" "Yeah. You found that pot in my locker!" 😄

[@phantom_blade555]

@@phlushphish793 yo that’s nuts I love this story so much LOL

[@jameshays947]

My dad has been an officer of the State of Georgia since shortly after my 6th birthday. He gave me the best legal advice I ever received: be polite, be courteous, be silent.

[@smokingcrab2290]

That way, they can't be pissed at you and they can't get anything against you. Best possible scenario.

[@salazardeltoro4561]

Sucks that your dad decided to be an enemy of the people.

[@charlespanache7047]

I was told by an officer to only do 1 illegal thing at a time if you MUST break the law. Gg advice

[@nightfallreviews1533]

@@salazardeltoro4561 they aren’t our enemies, just don’t do stupid shit

[@robertsandberg2246]

@@salazardeltoro4561 precisely. I wonder how many times he fucked other people's kids lives over!

[@inkblooded1058]

The police told my aunt once that they would call CPS and have her daughter taken from her if she didn't testify in court against another family member. They had no proof beyond that testimony, so they lied to my aunt and scared her into potentially losing her daughter, making her stand in court against someone whom she not only didn't believe committed the crime, but someone who was later found to be innocent of all charges. This caused a massive rift in the family; some people hated my aunt for going on the stand, other people hated my cousin - the one who was charged - because criminals were downright unheard of in our immediate family. The police in my county scared a woman with the terror of having her daughter taken away so they could reach a false conviction on an innocent person.

[@clittle1559]

and technically there the only ones that broke the law .... imagine that

[@dfny914]

That’s highly illegal.

[@inkblooded1058]

@@dfny914 Welcome to where I live, where corrupt cops are more common than legitimate ones.

[@mako8091]

bruh they fighting amongst themselves instead of the cops.

[@denilsonthomas]

Not a lawyer, but im pretty sure its illegal to force a testimony. I could be wrong tho

[@michaelreed3366]

"If you didn't do anything wrong you don't need a lawyer." Thanks for the advice but that is exactly why I do need a lawyer!

[@AngelicusEXperiment]

Despite the fact that it should be the case, innocence is NOT an adequate defense against a zealous cop or prosecutor. So, yeah, I'm with you there. I'm gonna have a lawyer.

[@mbzmbs9569]

@@AngelicusEXperiment How do you know they're zealous?

[@AngelicusEXperiment]

@@mbzmbs9569 You don't, but it's a safer assumption than most. It takes a lot of dedication to get into law enforcement these days. Expect that they will have the same dedication in bringing you down once you're in their sights, and you'll never be underprepared.

[@mbzmbs9569]

@@AngelicusEXperiment mm.

[@jamareethornton9493]

Thats exactly why you need one. I didn't do anything yet you want me to speak to you. lol

[@dienekes4364]

I knew a guy, years ago, who was living in the house he grew up in. The title was still in his grandfather's name, who had died 7 years before. This guy had cerebral palsy and could only work part-time at a fast-food joint. The water and taxes hadn't been paid since his grandfather had died, so the county started the process of taking his house. During this process, I had a couple of people from the county confirm that, if they sold the house at auction, he wouldn't have gotten a dine, he would have just been kicked out on the street with nothing. I bought the property for more than the county assessor's office said it was worth. The house, on the other hand, was a complete loss. It would have required so much work to make it safe (let alone livable) that it was actually cheaper to tear it down and put a new one on the property. The county sheriff's office decided to get involved and make sure I wasn't "taking advantage of a vulnerable adult". Okay, fair enough. I thought surely they would see that not only did I make sure this guy got about $30k, but helped him get set up and moved in another place and helped him get his finances straightened out that everything would be perfectly fine. Of course, that was back when I had a shred of respect for law enforcement. I did a voluntary interview with the detective. They charged me with 2 counts of felony theft, the first for _BUYING_ the property at full market value and the second for borrowing money from the guy to finish the rehab (for which I had not missed a single payment in over 6 months). He lied about things that were said in the interview and actually got a judge to sign off on the charges (even though another judge had reviewed the note for the loan and deemed it completely appropriate and legal). I didn't do very much damage to myself in that interview, mainly because I didn't do anything wrong, but I still shouldn't have talked to the detective. Like Andrew says, they are only out to try to trip you up, to get ANYTHING they can use against you. COPS ARE *NOT* OUR FRIENDS OR PROTECTORS.

[@phlushphish793]

No good deed goes unpunished, eh? Yours was a BIG one!!! 😲

[@BPoweredLove]

I agree with almost everything you said. Your last statement needs refinement to be fair. I'll give you my version, also in all-caps to be consistent with yours. *DETECTIVES INVESTIGATING CRIMINAL ACTIVITY WHO ARE INTERVIEWING YOU ARE NOT YOUR FRIEND. THEY ARE ONLY FRIENDS WHEN THEY CAN STOP SOMEONE FROM VICTIMIZING YOU. Something like that, but you get the point. I have a couple of stories similar to yours and no longer talk to cops, even friendly banter unless it is ABSOLUTELY benign.

[@djohanson99]

wow, you are a good man. your story chokes me up, you trying to help this poor guy. God bless you. I am sure there is a place in heaven for you when God calls you.

[@smokingcrab2290]

Amen bro. What fucking garbage human beings. I learned cops can even charge you because of heresay from other people over things that have happened years ago. One guy I heard about made out with a 17 year old girl when he was in his early 20's. It was consensual. Few years goes by. She becomes 23. Gets drunk at a bar and starts chatting up some guys who happen to be cops. Tells them the story about how she made out with a guy when she was underage. Cops ask her if she wants to press charges. She says no. Cops go to their boss the next day and tell him the story. Boss takes it to the next level. The state presses charges against this man because of heresay about something that may have happened 4 years ago. The guy loses his entire life over it. Get sent to federal prison. Is now a sex offender who has to register. I know another guy who had a crazy ex wife. This guy owns a lot of guns but is not a criminal, he's just a gun enthusiast. His crazy ex wife starts dating a cop. The ex wife shows the cop boyfriend all these pictures of her ex husband's guns. She tells this cop her ex has machine guns. She was lying just to get her ex in trouble. Cop takes it to the feds. The atf raids the guy. Luckily the guy moved his guns somewhere else because he caught wind of what his ex was doing. So by the time the atf got to him they weren't able to take anything from him (the guy did not have machine guns at all anyway). The guy starts asking the atf agents why they did this and what's going on. One agent starts chatting with him saying they got a tip off. The guy asks the agent "was it from my ex wife". The agent asks him who his ex wife is and sure enough it's her. They start chatting it up and being real cool by the end of the day. The agents leave. The guy goes to the feds and complains about the baseless claim made against him. The ex wife's cop boyfriend gets permanently demoted and will remain a meat cop the rest of his career because of what he did.

[@johnnymia1563]

Gawwwd that is a shitty shitty thing to happen to you after all, you were looking out for that guy! Wow

[@RSTI191]

Every time I have been in court dealing with a cop he has lied. When I was a kid I was attacked- the cop- "We found them fighting in the street" Speeding ticket back in the 80's - "I had him on radar entering the tunnel".. Bullsh*t- I was entering the tunnel under Boston harbor. Cop was on detail in the center of the tunnel, he never had me in his line of sight- I beat that one. Failure to wear my seatbelt- "He looked me right in the eye then turned left that's when I pulled him over" More BS- Eye contact cannot be established. I never even saw the squad car let alone look at him in his eye. I beat that one as well.. They lie like every chance they get to enhance their case. I'm 60 now, all this was years ago. I don't trust cops and never will..

[@whydothingshavetobesohard]

Agreed - know your rights!

[@garyv2498]

Never trust the revenue collector. Got a ticket once for an open container violation while walking home. I wasn't drinking the keystone light that the officer was holding, but that's what I got the ticket for. Clearly just guys out collecting revenue for the local government on a holiday weekend.

[@phlushphish793]

And the infamous, "I smell marijuana in your vehicle."

[@RSTI191]

@@phlushphish793 Oh yeah....

[@theblueflame2221]

At which point does the American population in general simply shrug at this and starts asking a few questions along the lines of: Why do I pay taxes to have our time wasted and be bullied? Are actual criminals running free while I am dealing with this shet? Why am I treated like a criminal even though I'm not? Maybe particularly important: What sort of messed up individual is willing or perhaps even enjoys lying to others as a job?

[@gamerplayz-6394]

I am from Washington state and in order to get your license here, you must agree to implied consent which means you are required to take a breath or blood test if a law enforcement officer requests it. If you refuse to take a breath or blood test, the state DOL suspends your license. Stuff like this is why you should ALWAYS double check these "facts" with your local laws.

[@rosalindastourian3985]

Michigan is the same with the suspension.

[@lsubslimed]

Thats what i was thinking, but this video made me wonder if in fact you don't need to take the field sobriety tests but have to take the more accurate one at the police station. I don't know if you can be sober yet somehow the field sobriety test could be used against you. This guy confused me lol

[@Jono4174]

Same in NSW. Random breath tests are a thing

[@furycarnategaming]

​@@lsubslimed i can absolutely fail the line sobriety test due to spinal injures upsetting my balance and the reverse alphabet test who can not fail that test?

[@laurenceperkins7468]

It's fascinating how they're allowed to claim that you wanting to exercise your traditional right to transport your personal property down the public right-of-way "implies" that you're consenting to searches... They could just as well assert that applying for a title transfer "implies" that you're willing to let them search your new house for contraband. Would save them all kinds of hassle with search warrants.

[@jesusisalive3227]

My mom was a juvenile probation officer. The best piece if advice she gave me was. Deny everything, never make their case for them, do not fall for their bluffs.

[@andrewregard7250]

I've had this happen to me. Had cops try to pin something on me but the second I mentioned attorney I never heard from them again haha. They were hoping I was going to "admit" to it when I literally did nothing wrong.

[@RansomeStoddard]

My mom gave me good legal advice as well: don’t break the law.

[@RedRoseKing13]

best advise is don't break the fucking law

[@jesusisalive3227]

@@RedRoseKing13 You really think the only reason you get pulled over is because you broke the law? LOL aren't you sweet. You would not believe the crap my mom saw, she was even involved with a sting to bust some cops that were planting drugs on innocent kids. There were also some cops pulling over cute girls and letting them off if they put out. Yeah it doesn't matter sometimes even if you don't break the law!

[@ntdscherer]

That's not great advice. If you deny everything they could catch you in a lie. Speak as little as possible.

[@marceld6061]

Police: "We already know what happened" Me: "Great. Then there is no need to hear it from me."

[@ctilson176]

Yo, that’s is some philosophical stuff right there! You ARE a prophet!

[@opossom1968]

That one got me arrested

[@timwhite1783]

Careful with phrasing though, there's a snuck premise in there that something *did* happen. To them it's just a confirmation that you're up to something.

[@KapteinFruit]

Ayyye! Thats a nice one. You gotta play the game they play. Innocent or not. They just try to fill up quotas. You know?

[@am2160]

@@opossom1968 yo same lol

[@thomasmendez2816]

I've had police lie to me. a few years ago someone had parked a stolen vehicle by my house and tried saying they have video footage of someone going from that car to and into my house. I flat out called them liars as nobody had entered or left my home in at least 12 hours which would be outside the timeline of when the car was put there to begin with. They still proceeded to try and grill my son who had driven to my house in his own car. The one cop was about an arrogant schmuck as you can think of. So infuriating in his attitude he was that had he not been a cop I might have physically removed him from my property. Another thing they will do is try and talk you into admitting something you have never done and they likely know you didnt do. And they do it in such a manipulative way that you start wondering about your own memory. I'd be willing to bet that there are a good number of completely innocent people in jail that are only in there because the police were able to psychologically manipulate people into admitting to things they never did.Oh and as for the stolen car. They eventually did catch the ones doing it. Nobody even remotely resembling anyone who has EVER been to or into my house.

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

There was a case of an innocent mentally ill man being manipulated into a false confession and ending up on death row and being killed in the chair. So yeah, cops will lie to the point it kills innocent people.

[@stellviahohenheim]

The way American society works is rotten to the core it's quite fascinating

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

@@stellviahohenheim This has got to be the dumbest fucking thing anybody's ever said, in history.

[@smokingcrab2290]

@Stevia hoenheim, *laughs in European speech laws* *laughs in Mexican corruption* *laughs in CCP*

[@TheLemon420]

Cops don’t care if they catch the right person, they just want to catch someone.

[@non-ya228]

This is sooo true. I was pulled over on my way home from work because I was speeding. They assumed because I was nervouse since 2 cops pulled me over supposedly just speeding, but I was asked to get out of the car and 1 officer asked if I took any drugs and I said the only drugs I take are prescribed by a licensed doctor. When I told him I had a prescription for Adderall, he and his partner arrsted me. They told me I was not allowed to drive on Adderall when the prescription states "Do not use motor operated machinery until you know how it affects you". I did not have my prescribed medication on me and I was on the lowest does, but it didn't matter, these guys were going to claim anything to get this charge to stick and I thought I was supposed to be honest. Now it's costing me $3,500 and it's still pending

[@SteveBrownRocks2023]

NEVER answer any of their questions, you’ll say things they WILL use against you!

[@machans372]

"innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt" Somehow turned into "Guilty until proven innocent without doubt" He said it best they are there not to see if you commited a crime but to see if they can charge you with *anything*

[@AudioJeep]

Well said. All cops care about is a conviction rate, and theyll look high and low, old and young, black or white, innocent or not, to get that sweet sweet arrest. They will make up lies, false accusations, and the worst part is, most of the times they just target randomly. Sometimes they do discriminate but its mostly against people with nice cars and pretty women. Horny loser cops think women want to get pulled over, but when the pervert cop approaches the woman tells him off or hates his guts, so little cop boy gets really angwy, he needs to have his fragile ego stroked so he will then escalate the situation as much as possible to waste everyones time as much as he can. Meanwhile actual crimes are being committed, but thirsty cops prefer to spend their time harassing innocents because its easier. Cops are worthless we dont need them

[@castleanthrax1833]

@@AudioJeep While I agree with most of what you said, we do need cops. They serve a purpose despite their wrongdoings.

[@AudioJeep]

@@castleanthrax1833 wrong. We got along fine before they existed. In fact we got along way better before they existed. There is only one real reason for cops to exist, and thats to forcibly and violently impose the will of politicians. The very concept of this is contrary to the constitution and the sole reason this nation was formed in the first place. There is nothing more unamerican than cops.

[@castleanthrax1833]

@@AudioJeep I'm not American and don't live there.

[@keithgoodwin1760]

True

[@MarkBH70]

Thanks. Good stuff! I'm from Virginia. I had cops, when I called them about a theft, rummaging through my ROOM! I asked, "What are you doing?" The answer? "Looking for drugs." I called the cops to get the bad guy/gal, and to recover my VCR. They only cared about getting me into trouble, i.e., CHARGING ME!

[@SirChronDonIII]

That's an illegal search. Police can ONLY do what they were called there to do. Period. Even if they suspect something they have to come back to investigate.

[@MarkBH70]

@@SirChronDonIII Yep! Thanks for telling the truth! I didn't know they would have to come back again. New info. Another time, I was walking around in a parking lot near my apartment. I laid back against a pile of snow to look up at the stars. One time, doing this, the cops reached inside my jacket and pulled out a bag of tobacco, looked at it, put it back inside my jacket after commenting that it was tobacco, and walked away. Another time, they pulled me off of the pile of snow onto the ground and called an ambulance. They put me into a mental institution without saying a word to me. This stuff used to happen quite frequently. I could go on....

[@tumblr6797]

@@MarkBH70 Did you ever file a complaint?

[@MarkBH70]

@@tumblr6797 I have before several times. One time, I insisted to be face-to-face, so the complaint would be more thorough. The day before our meeting, the cops took me away, put me into a mental hospital. All coincidence, of course!

[@tumblr6797]

@@MarkBH70 When you got out of the hospital, you should have filed a complaint though. Hold them accountable for their actions.

[@leelarson107]

"Never trust the government at any level." *One of my better quotes from my earlier days. You can go to jail for lying to a cop, but he is immune from anything when he lies to you.

[@Bobbydigtail17]

Did you trust the government with the vax?

[@paulk5311]

@@thomasryan2679 it is actually fact. cops lie all the time and are actually trained to do so. my son in law is a cop and he says this is sop. furthermore it is against the law to lie to the police but they are encouraged to lie to you by their superiors.

[@brygaming7403]

But I wanna be a cop…

[@realdragon]

You have really fucked up government if you can't trust them at any level

[@cavemanlovesmoke4394]

@@realdragon it's true tho

[@Threedog1963]

Regarding traffic offenses and courts. I have had several tickets in my life. The last one I got was an eye opener. This time I hired a traffic ticket attorney. In court, before the trials began, she told everyone with attorneys to sit on one side and those without to sit on the other. Next, she dismissed every single person with an attorney all at the same time. The rest got to talk with the judge.

[@lunam7249]

ya, some judges know cops have lame cases or questionalble tickets

[@Threedog1963]

@@lunam7249 And, in my case, the court was packed and the judge had no way to hear all of the cases in a day. So, she cleared half the docket by dismissing people with lawyers.

[@lunam7249]

@@Threedog1963 awesome..in cali you can get a "simple ticket" lawyer for $100.....save $700 over getting convicted without lawyer....i never ever have lost a ticket using a lawyer!!!! never!! i never go to court "naked" ( without a lawyer!)....

[@swaggadash9017]

That's just because they have no defence. Tickets come down to he said she said unless it's on camera and their word means more.

[@stickyfox]

"I can't help you unless/if..." coming from *anyone* is almost guaranteed to be a lie intended to manipulate you. The sentiment is better worded, "My plan is to keep hurting you until ..."

[@freedomdude5420]

Gaslight at it’s best.

[@roadrunner3867]

I am with the police. I am here to help you. I.e, I am here to help you into a cell with bars around it.

[@thomascanfield8571]

It infuriates me that cops are known liars but in court the judge usually sides with them

[@jakenuno9900]

I remember I had a cop tell me I'm "going away for a long time" and have a long list of "charges" they have against me, to which I said in my head "yeah okay, someone likes to tell fictional stories" Soon after his partner came up to me and was like "don't listen to that guy, he just likes to talk a lot of shit..." They didn't have a single thing on me, and I was free to go. Cops are TRAINED to be assholes to show dominance. I have friends as cops, and they admit it's a big show most of the time.

[@PANCAKESforrr1]

lol why would you be friends with a cop

[@mikew3194]

Shit human beings. I left another comment about a situation where I had truly done nothing wrong, but the cop that detained me claimed he already knew 'everything' and called me a faggot and a whole bunch of other stuff. Real reputable individuals, cops are....

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

My aunt’s boyfriend is a deputy and he acts like a dick even when he’s not wearing a uniform, had the audacity to tell my mom her registration was expired on her car, while not on duty, after he pulled into our driveway on with an open alcohol container in the console and a beer in hand

[@waynepurcell6058]

@@PANCAKESforrr1 Maybe it depends on where you're at. In my area (which is pretty rural) most of the LEOs are OK. The city police has a couple assholes but the sheriffs department has pretty good guys as a whole. I will give up that being in a small rural town 98% of people are law abiding and not trying to hide/get away with anything so I'm sure that has a good bit to do with it.

[@PANCAKESforrr1]

@@waynepurcell6058 yeah I live in Oklahoma city it's a way different story over here

[@randomanon7040]

So it turns out that "Anything you say can and will be used against you." Is only a part of the situation. It turns out, that "any thing you say or do CAN NOT be used for you." This was the most eye opening revelation to me. That anything I say or do to prove to the officer that I am innocent, can be thrown out by an ADA claiming that the 'police can not testify in your favor.'

[@jasthebaker]

"I'm not answering any [more] questions without my lawyer present." Is the only thing you should be saying to an officer asking questions that are loaded (meant to get you in trouble).

[@classicrock986]

Not any question that's loaded any question at all your answer should be I'll talk to you when my lawyer is present or I want my lawyer

[@steviesevieria1868]

You have to affirm that you are exercising your right to remain silent. If you just stay silent they can keep questioning you, what you need to do is say something like this : “I invoke my right to remain silent and I wish to have an attorney present”. Say both.

[@luby305]

why a lawyer if you haven’t done anything wrong??

[@jasthebaker]

@@luby305 you can be completely innocent and still be convicted of a crime have you not heard of people being tricked into confessing to something they did do?

[@steviesevieria1868]

@@jasthebaker How to be pretty dumb to confess to something you didn’t do. Now in some of the hick states like Alabama they beat you until you confess, especially if you’re black. But that’s not the same as being “tricked”

[@Indubidably0]

I had cops kick in my door without a warrant and beat me in my living room(I have a lifelong scar on my forehead from it) on an anonymous tip that I was a drug dealer(I don't even smoke cigs or drink, I don't even ingest caffeine, let alone do drugs). Then they tried to intimidate and threaten me into signing a paper saying I gave them permission to enter my home. Then they tried to lie in court stating I assaulted them(There were 3 adult witnesses in my house when it happened, and the reason they beat the shit out of me was because I told them they were breaking & entering). During the arrest one of them pressed his taser to my right eye and threatened to burn it out of my skull in front of my wife and daughter. It turned out to be a disgruntled former employee of mine that made the tip. The officers faced no consequences. That's just my worst experience with them. Every encounter I've ever had with them involved them lying, threatening, and coercing. Every damn time. I was once changing my tire on the side of the interstate on a sunny Saturday afternoon and one pulled up behind me. I'd already had nothing but bad experiences with them so I knew he wasn't there to offer any help, and I was right. He wanted my information, which I gave. He wanted to search my car, which I told him not without a warrant. I had my daughter in the back seat, and he began insinuating that I'd kidnapped her. I refused to allow him to speak to her(she was terrified as she had already seen them break into our home and assault me years prior). He grew increasingly belligerent and began insulting me. At one point, he even put his hand to his gun, which is when I told him this interaction was being recorded(it wasn't, I was bluffing and hoping that'd snap him out of whatever mania he was in) while presenting my open hands high, and that's when he finally backed off and left. A neighbor's teenager threw a rock through one of my car windows once. They had just moved into the neighborhood and I hadn't even talked to them yet, the kid was just a total delinquent. When we called the cops to file a report, they just told us "sorry about your luck, but we can't do anything about it" Another time, a group of us watched as two officers pulled a baggy of pot seeds out of their breast pocket and plant them in his kid's car seat, then smugly state "oh look at this!" They weren't even being discreet with their actions and knew they'd get away with it. I worked at a Waffle House in my early 20's and the night shift cops came in regularly to eat. One would fraudulently sign badge numbers not his own to the bill for some reason(we gave discounts to cops, among others) and we couldn't understand why. A waitress made the mistake of pointing it out to him one night. He made sure to pull her over and cite her when she got off her shift at 2am, claiming she failed to use her turn signal while leaving the parking lot(which was a lie as I watched her pull out and watched him pop up with his lights on as he'd been hiding on the opposite side of the O'Reilly's next door to our store). One of his buddies was a serial sexual harasser of my waitresses too, and eventually got fired years down the road when he arrested a women and forced her to perform oral on him. She spit his ejaculate on her shirt which secured the DNA evidence. He was notorious for doing this but took years for him to be caught. I could go on and on, but the point is cops aren't there to carry out justice or to help anyone, they're there to act as traitorous terrorist agents of the state.

[@goosefukulardeath7300]

When ever someone claims to have been brutally beaten by cops for no reason , I have call BS. I didn’t even read anything beyond your first paragraph. Nobody knows you , nobody is going to side with you and no one cares. The sooner you learn that the better your life will be. Good luck

[@Ranstone]

If this supposedly happened in America, I honestly don't believe any of this.

[@goosefukulardeath7300]

@@Ranstone it’s just more victim narrative . I’m sure if this did happened we’d be truly surprised this person had a list of warrants, weed smoke Bellowing from the window, music blasting and shady characters going in and out of the house through all hours of the day

[@DinnerForkTongue]

A terrorist state has a terrorist police force. Who knew.

[@tingting7558]

Then who should I call instead? Batman?

[@johnh6345]

When did police officers doing traffic stops become "investigators"? What training do they have as investigators? When the supreme court ruled that police INVESTIGATORS can lie to a suspect to get them to tell the truth it was for the reason of a suspected criminal lying to them so they could lie too to get to the truth. That's what we see on TV. They are in an interrogation room and they say "your buddy is in the next room singing like a bird telling us it was all you". This is what they were saying was reasonable. The police then took this ruling as ALL and EVERY police officer is an investigator of sorts and that means they can lie too. Wrong interpretation but legal by the ruling. Took a tool for investigating and twisted it to what they wanted. I don't think the police understand that this tactic is what is giving the police a bad reputation. Basically they don't care. It has driven a spike between the public and the police. The police have lost the trust of the public, and deservidly so. They have lost morals and integrity. If you notice more and more, police cars no longer say "to serve and protect". Probably because we can't TRUST them so how can they serve or protect. Since they figured that out, they stopped putting it on their vehicles. Well done officers, you have crapped in the bed you lay in. Enjoy the bed.

[@catholicdad]

Extremely well put.

[@zephsmith3499]

Your point about police losing respect by lying in traffic stops etc stands, but in answer to your question about when they all became investigators.... What I gathered from our local cops is that the detectives deal with only most serious crimes, and the regular officers *are* the designated investigators of lessor (ie: most) crimes. So I don't think it's an illegal stretch; the investigator is the cop doing an investigation. Again, that doesn't excuse mistreatment or change the loss of respect you reference.

[@patnor7354]

Still half the country are bootlickers willing to believe the cops about anything until they are the ones finding themselves in trouble.

[@NeutralGloomBot]

I will say this about the breath test, in MA a law was passed purely based on emotion 20 years ago called "Melanie's law" and in that law includes a bunch of unconstitutional language that needs to be challenged and that whole law scrapped. The main thing is simply by refusing a breathalyzer test, the RMV, minus the courts mind you, can choose to suspend your license for very long chunks of time or even for life whether you were drunk or not or even convicted. That is INSANELY unconstitutionally because one should one agency have more power than the courts? The other side of Melanie's law is cruel and unjust mandatory minimums where if you have two DUIs in your early 20s, have 30 years of doing nothing wrong, but get a 3rd DUI in your 50s you get mandatory jail regardless of 30 years of good behavior. Everything decision should be case to case and mandatory minimums without considering circumstance are "cruel and unjust punishment" which go against amendment 8 of the US constitution. I am dying for someone to challenge this because I think there is a strong case to get rid of it and it needs to go away because I have personally seen good people be locked up with murderers over a DUI from 25 years ago combining. Meanwhile in other states you can be on DUI number 8 and still not face jail. This country needs to find some judicial balance and sanity.

[@BaFunGool]

You cannot get into trouble for something you didn't say. 'Silence is Golden'. Assert the 5th, and remain silent. Burden of Proof is on them. "Don't talk to Police".

[@jonathanhains814]

Even better, assert the 6th and they're required to cease all questioning until your lawyer is present.

[@coolgamers2794]

The best answer. Is to not talk alot or don't talk at all. Just sign your traffic ticket if you were truly guilty. If you are innocent; then sign the ticket and contest it in court.

[@jamareethornton9493]

NEVER talk to believe they will always count you as a suspect even if you have ZERO to do with it. You could just be calling in saying "hey this is happening." Next thing you know, life ruined, in the courts left and right.

[@TheLAGopher]

You only assert the 5th in court. On the street, it's the right to remain silent in response to incriminating questions.

[@TheLAGopher]

@@coolgamers2794 You have to sign your ticket either way because a traffic stop is a form of arrest and a signed ticket is essentially your promise to appear in court or pay it off.

[@russellmyers934]

Police officers advise each other, and their children and family members, to NEVER, EVER, EVER, talk to the police or answer their questions. EVER. Take their advice.

[@alexblaze8878]

I sense a fellow James Duane fan. Have you read his latest book “You have the right to remain Innocent”? I’m listening to it on Audible. Excellent book.

[@JPCox123]

Exactly! Why would anyone want to talk to liars and cheats who will do whatever they think appropriate to screw someone legally, even if innocent?

[@semimba]

@@alexblaze8878 I gave copies to all of my kids. Be polite but firm. NO - I do not consent to anything. I am not consenting to a search. Period

[@alexblaze8878]

@@semimba awesome! I’m planning on giving each of my 3 adult children copies of that book also.

[@Milesco]

@@alexblaze8878 : I'm a fellow James Duane fan as well, and yes I have his book. 😁 (Everyone should have a copy!)

[@pmor5992]

remember dont talk the poiice , best advice i have ever gotten/given , be polite listen closely and let them do ALL of the talking , limit responses to really , ok , yes sir/mame , thank you ;-)

[@trevor19qhshe]

If your not doing something wrong, you shouldn't be getting pulled over in the first place.

[@arthurtmorgan4211]

I’m a ex cop and could not agree more with this. Soooo many people talk themselves into trouble. I would always tell people, “You have the right to remain silent, use it.” I got a lot of thank you’s after they spoke to a lawyer.

[@personalstuff3019]

@@trevor19qhshe ...they work on a quota in most areas, i wonder what other reason you could get pulled over for? Ever had a taillight out and didnt know? Theres court cases showing officers will follow people and decide if theyre going to pull them over before they even have a violation. It doesnt matter what the job is, human corruption is still a massive factor

[@DeanBrazil]

Apparently officer you're conducting some sort of investigation. I have no experience in these matters and I'm gonna let my lawyer handle this. I have nothing more to say

[@mr.ghoststreets6462]

@@trevor19qhshe innocent people get pulled over all the time! Getting pulled over for a traffic stop is not a crime , but yet just a infraction !!

[@clairetellkamp6253]

A good thing to note is that you should never remain COMPLETELY silent around an officer. They will use that to try to claim you were "acting out of order" and "brooding" by not engaging in any conversation. If an officer tries to talk to you, you should respond by saying that you're going to remain silent. If they continue talking to you, keep telling them that you're going to be remaining silent. Don't just clam up entirely.

[@deanalan6824]

"I've nothing to say, I'd like to see a lawyer, I do not consent to searches. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" This is the only thing that comes out of my mouth in every police encounters. Nothing else.

[@terezjordon2290]

Also let them know, “ I am video recording you for my safety.” Their body cams aren’t always on and my last incident with a charge, the police refused to provide their body cam footage for discovery on three requests. I had my footage though and my case was dismissed.

[@mattheller5131]

how many damn police encounters have you had bro??? got that shit memorized

[@Crowcaww]

This works really well in the fantasy world that is in your head. But this won't work for you in the real world where police don't follow or even know the laws.

[@amandahuginkiss4098]

Identify yourself. Name and badge number

[@theNEWguy102]

The fact you say you'd like to see a lawyer already makes you sound like you're hiding something

[@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh]

When I was growing up I was told by teachers and parents that police are some of the most virtuous and honest people in our society and it sucked to find out how wrong that was. I know there are good cops out there but every cop is literally trained to lie and decieve you so the good cops are being good despite the system not because of it.

[@krane15]

It wasn't until I was well into my adult years that I found out the harsh truth. I got to see all manner of police corruption and racism up close. Once that innocence is gone, and the people lose their trust in cops, its gone forever, and the cops have no one the blame but themselves.

[@Indubidably0]

Especially when you find out that Police Officer is in the top ten jobs employing the most pedophiles.

[@robertwills2502]

Good cop is an oxymoron. If ever they chose to do the right thing they'd be shown the door. Honesty and right are the only unacceptable things. Good cops sell cars or paint houses or or or

[@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh]

@@robertwills2502 Only thing more crooked than a cop is a car salesman

[@ProleDaddy]

@@TeaInTheMorning-we2kh An employer

[@isaiahpero7837]

Cop: "We already know what happened." Me: "Then we don't need to talk."

[@fidelity5993]

Don’t even say that though. That sarcastic comment could be leveraged against you in any number of ways. Just demand a lawyer.

[@cleverusernamenexttime2779]

If that racist cop hadn't planted evidence, OJ wouldn't have walked. They didn't need those gloves.

[@steviesevieria1868]

@LockGrinder if you talk you’re not depriving yourself of “the right to fight in court”. Just to be clear. However, talking definitely makes the trial more difficult for your defense.

[@addammadd]

@@steviesevieria1868 if you talk, anything you say will be used against you and BY LAW cannot be used as exculpatory evidence. The only words you should say to a cop is "I want my lawyer."

[@steviesevieria1868]

@@addammadd thanks for the advice, but I think attorneys say otherwise. Of course, if I’m a criminal that’s a different story. My last encounter with the police was a couple years ago when I was a little over the speed limit. I had a nice chat with the cop, and our state allows automatic reduction of charge if you pay by mail. Nothing I said was used against me. Like I say, people who have something to fear from the police might need to take another tack.

[@SupermanHopkins]

At some point, Congress has to address "no-refusal DUI enforcement." Literally forcing blood out of people is dystopian.

[@richieanddestiny]

I was arrested at 11 pm. The officer literally opened my door and walked in without a warrant or anyone even opening the door for him. On the way to the barracks he was trying to get me to tell him what happened. I told him the truth and because I literally hadn't done anything (and I mean that, literally nothing) he continued with "it's ok man, I'm not going to even write this stuff down. I'm just talking to you man to man." When it went to court he tried to hang me. He lied underoath and fabricated EVERYTHING. It was so bad that the judge threw out his statement and said it wasn't reliable to be used as evidence. I have never even been in trouble (with the exception of a seatbelt citation in which I paid the $25 ticket the next day). He charge stacked me and I was looking at almost 3 life sentences and some change. My public defender tried to get me to take my first plea (one life sentence) my first court date. After I repeatedly told him that none of it was true. There was no statement from my "victim" and in fact. My "victim" was on the phone with me while she went to the prosecutor and asked to drop the charges. They responded by saying the state had already picked my case up. Mind you this is the person that the charges were said to have been against. My "victim" never gave a statement, verbal or written. I pled out with a 1-5 Kennedy plea (admitting no guilt) after being incarcerated for 2 yrs. I got out on parole after my home plan was approved (where my victim and I live together). My parole was violated because my PO came and saw my "victim" there with me. Although it was the PO who approved the home plan. I had to just kill my sentence. Which took a few more months to make it to 2.5 yrs (WV time is killed after half of it is served incarcerated) 1-5, 2.5 yrs kills it. My life was almost ruined because an officer lied to arrest me in the first place. I had to do time because the assistant prosecutor was planning on running for office and trying to make an example of me. It backfired because everyone in my community knows me and saw through the political corruption after a while. He is no longer an employee in the county I reside in. He was terminated from his position after I took my plea.

[@TheRetirednavy92]

In your case, it would be legal to shoot to kill. Not to mention you can sue that department.

[@uuuultra]

I'm not reading all that lol

[@jamesthomas7928]

Why not embarrass them by applying for asylum to some European country. The publicity would make them think again and even perhaps force a review of your shitty system

[@duncancameron9855]

​@@uuuultra so being illiterate is cool now?

[@Soulsphere001]

Assuming this story is true and your recollection of events is accurate, it looks like that officer had it out for you on a personal level. If you haven't already talked to a lawyer about that, you might want to and sue those responsible.

[@stanclapper7179]

I have found that lots of Lawyers will lie to you as well. Take your money, file items in court that they know will not be upheld.

[@bobsana4590]

Zoinks

[@ticalion6652]

That has happened to me more than once.

[@JohnDoe-xf5jm]

Same here

[@paulk5311]

lawyers are not well liked or trusted by most. sometimes they become a necessary evil but thankfully i have never needed one.

[@schalitz1]

Dealt with many lawyers always have done exactly what I pay them to do; and I like them a hell of a lot more than I like cops.

[@memowilliam9889]

... In Montana a person can be fined $585.00 and spend 6 months in county jail for lying to a police officer. A law enforcement officer can lie to a person with impunity (in many instances) In court we are presumed innocent until proven guilty. However, when a case is founded on the testimony of an officer (who can lie with impunity) his testimony has greater weight than the defendant (who would suffer punishment for lying) Not only is the hypocrisy unfair, but it subconsciously places an immediate burden of guilt upon the defendant.

[@kimhorton6109]

If a DA files a court brief with a known lie as part of the basis of the case he can be fired or declared in contempt and disbarred

[@shawnwells5719]

They can lie to you in order for you to incriminate yourself. They cannot lie to the court without committing perjury, and being a police officer does not protect them from committing that offense. While their truthful testimony may carry more weight, if they make intentionally untruthful statements in court, they can be prosecuted. That is exactly why this lawyer is imploring you to keep quiet - the lie(s) they use outside the courtroom will not invalidate the evidence they gain by using said lie(s), because they're not held accountable for employing deception in an investigation. If they were, undercover work would be pointless, because the evidence gained would be inadmissible.

[@Mark_87]

MCAB

[@admthrawnuru]

@@shawnwells5719 while technically correct, it's pretty well documented that police lie in court quite often without ever being charged. I'll also note that undercover work could be excepted from a truth statute with a sealed court order or similar procedural exception. There's no need to pretend cops need to be able to lie when in uniform and acting under evident authority in order to let them do it in wildly different contexts... But this is on the legislature.

[@shawnwells5719]

@@admthrawnuru Well, duh...I'm talking legality, not what actually occurs. Does it make any sense that police lying during an investigation is somehow tolerated, but a private investigator doing the same thing commits a serious ethical breach and could have their license suspended/revoked? If police are lying in court to convict, who exactly has a motivation to expose their perjury and convict them? The prosecutor depending on their testimony to enhance his/her win statistics? Not bloody likely. The theme is simple: Talking to the police is hazardous to your legal health, so don't do it unless legally obliged to.

[@johngaltspeaking213]

In CA, I refused a breathalyzer so they took me the hospital and drew blood. The test exonerated me of DUI but they suspended my license for a year for refusing the test.

[@ryanbouchard2907]

See, if you refuse to comply with the police, you only makes things worse for yourself.

[@ForgottenWorlds100]

Should’ve complied

[@Archspore]

CA has an implied consent law, you're better off just taking the breath test.

[@davidrussell8795]

Copycat laws from all over the world!

[@kathrin4954]

How can they get away w/that crap? Do we not live in a free country where you're innocent until proven guilty?

[@elav1]

Holy jeez I just realized in middle school, two of my friends and me were walking around a park when suddenly 3 patrol cars stop by us and made us stop. They were accusing us of lighting a house on fire and were flat out lying. 2 hours later finally get home to tell my dad who ended up calling the station yelling at them.

[@pauldavis9387]

The only thing you should tell a cop is that, “I want a lawyer.”

[@getsmarter5412]

Also- Am I being detained? Am I free to Go? Then, "I want a lawyer".

[@pauldavis9387]

@@getsmarter5412 I can’t argue with that.

[@Phyrior]

'Miranda called, she said to talk to my lawyer.'

[@byah160]

You’re fine to ask for a lawyer. Cops don’t have to give you one on a traffic stop, but you can ask.

[@david2727]

Only guilty people ask for lawyers.

[@shutterbug1076]

As a LEO of over 18 years...Please! Listen to this guy!!!! He has all the answers!

[@shutterbug1076]

@@not-a-boar3148 you're right... Get me more arrests! Lol

[@TimothyBrown-wm3cx]

When you're a child you're always told that the police are your friend. But when you become an adult you find out that they are your worst enemy. Especially if you're innocent. 😊

[@timmitchell3870]

Even if you've never been in trouble with the law, a lot of this also very much applies to the workplace. Never, ever trust a manager who 'just wants to help you out' - but can't do that until you accept responsibility for something you know wasn't your fault or sign a reprimand you know to be BS. Frankly NO ONE who has ever just wanted to help someone out has had any reason to have to tell them that.

[@drengillespie]

I love the confidential meetings with HR that the manager that was not there will later quote verbatim.

[@dash4800]

If you've never been in trouble with the law this is even more important for you to know. Because those people are more likely to be naive and think the cop is there to help them when in reality he is trying to pin something on you. I just watched a video of an interrogation where they arrested the wrong guy and they were lying to him trying to get him to confess by saying they already know he did it and all that. They guy was so confused and was talking way too much because he couldn't comprehend what was happening. He thought he would simply explain the truth and it would get him off, but the police weren't interested in that.

[@drengillespie]

Didn’t they pin a satanic murder on a special needs guy when there wasn’t even a murder?

[@VolvoImpala]

"Don't talk to the police." Best lawyer's advice of all time. A cop did the "I can't lie to you" BS with my friend and how long did Hollywood promote the "I gotta admit I"m a cop if I'm asked while I'm undercover, durrrrr" lie? It went from The Fast and the Furious all the way to "respectable" cinema like The Departed.

[@MasterYoist]

And never submit to a polygraph (lie detector) test. I had one of the most respected psychology professors in the country (he wrote the book that most universities were using at that time) tell our class," If you are ever arrested for something you did not do and they ask you to take a polygraph test, refuse." He went on to add, "Just the stress of a false arrest can easily skew the readings of the machine so that it will indicate you are lying, even when you are telling the truth." I made sure to write that down when he said it. And, I'm going to quote it if it ever becomes a necessity.

[@VolvoImpala]

@@MasterYoist Very pertinent.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

@@MasterYoist Infact. The polygraph is only a stress test. A cold blooded killer has higher chances to pass it than a scared innocent.

[@nathanpapp432]

@@neutronalchemist3241 Polygraph tests are inadmissible in most states.

[@JJ-my9uw]

Whether you are guilty or innocent, the only thing you should ever tell a police officer is I want an attorney present.

[@TheGlock30owner]

Actually, per SCOTUS, you must tell the police if you are going to exercise your right to remain silent. If you do tell them, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

[@fuzzymonkey-qe1xp]

That's why Steelers nation isn't in jail and get to watch the game on Sunday. Never talk to the popo That's what lawyers are for

[@conservativeriot5939]

I invoke my 5th amendment right.

[@byah160]

Thats fine. As long as you’ve provided your required documents on a traffic stop, you don’t have to answer any questions.

[@frocat5163]

@@byah160 You never have to tell a police officer _anything,_ regardless of the circumstances. Failure to answer questions could result in several different penalties, such as being detained / arrested, but the cops still don't have the authority or power to make you answer their questions. Everyone in the US is well within their rights to remain silent when the police question them.

[@Batmicheal]

Nope. In TN and when I lived there GA refusing a breathalyzer was a confession of DUI and automatic DUI conviction. Nobody I knew ever beat it. I gave the breath and was sent on my way.

[@michaelmyers5102]

They tried that one on me. "Your girlfriend already told us everything". And that's when I knew they were lying, she would not have told him anything, even if she knew anything to tell them.

[@celticman1909]

Soooooo, they can lie to the citizen, but the citizen cannot legally lie to them 🤔 .That's really messed up.

[@Scyllax]

That is the reason you never talk to them without an attorney present.

[@Scyllax]

Actually, you can.

[@celticman1909]

@@Scyllax Well, at the patrol level of local law enforcement....Hmmm. But in the Federal criminal code, I think I heard section 1001. It is a felony to lie or misrepresent events or facts to the FBI. That was one of the felony charges against Michael Flynn.

[@Scyllax]

@@celticman1909 I doubt I will ever see the FBI.

[@celticman1909]

@@Scyllax Hope not.

[@jspellie3103]

Excellent advice never talk to the police, always be polite, cooperative and courteous but don't answer any questions.

[@keeganfreese1013]

The biggest thing is not to watch these videos, its to speak to a Lawyer before hand

[@paulschaefer5241]

When iit talks about police being able to lie, I've even had police submit sworn written depositions in court that were all lies.

[@dienekes4364]

Yep, me too. He did everything he could to try to railroad me, but he never actually took my case to court because he knew they were all lies. That didn't stop him from trying to get me fired so I wouldn't be able to afford to defend myself.

[@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916]

@@dienekes4364 I'm guessing you never sued, so now he's gone and done the same thing to however many people he's wanted to. My buddy got 40 odd "traffic citations" from the same cop during his "felony assault w/deadly weapon (knife) Judge reamed the cop out bad, told my buddy if he's harassed by the cop again to file civil suit because there's a whole lot of evidence.

[@dienekes4364]

@@tedkaczynskiamericanhero3916 I actually _couldn't_ sue. Because the corrupt cop set it up as "protecting a vulnerable adult", he could break every law and violate any civil liberty he wanted to and be completely protected by the courts. The courts are also famously corrupt in Clark County Washington, so even if I had a sliver of a chance, it would have been completely futile and a waste of money.

[@smokingcrab2290]

That's what they do. They lie. But when you meet their bluff, they withdraw. They may even charge you based on lies, but if you challenge it, they'll drop the case because they know it's lies so they'll drop it before they'll ever have a chance to be held accountable.

[@fasterpussycatkillkill9650]

“I’m invoking my right to remain silent.” “I don’t consent to searches.” That’s it.

[@Hempfuelgroup]

cops flexed on me and i didn't even realize they did until after the fact. told them no you cannot search my car ok get out ok got out where gunna search you for weapons ok (had a knife) they got nothin out of me... alright we don't like to give the weapon back to you... how do you open the trunk ? boom ! fell for it 😅 they got a peek into the trunk but nothing there.

[@7heRedBaron]

You could always recite your Miranda rights. “I have the right to remain silent, even though I have no intent to do so. I am going to continue repeating this over and over again until you get the idea. Do you need to hear this again, or do you see the futility of continuing to try this over and over.

[@fasterpussycatkillkill9650]

@@7heRedBaron I like it.

[@danielsnook5029]

When my girl spits out these two lines on a Friday nite I know the sex is gonna be lousy.🤣

[@fasterpussycatkillkill9650]

@@danielsnook5029 Ha Ha! 🤣

[@squigglyline2813]

Thanks. You should do a video on how you know you're getting an attorney that will fight for you tooth & nail. As opposed to one that will be submissive to the prosecutor & judge's wants.

[@Sych_Hyich]

It's simple. You better call Saul

[@sroberds640]

My boss saw at least five lawyers sitting together at dinner, (none of them worked at the same law office they just knew each other). They were throwing cases around the table deciding if they could make money on them or not. So far I haven't seen one lawyer that actually fights for you unless money is to be made. If you start off talking to them about their family and making chit chat, you are getting charged for that guaranteed. My boss always writes down everything on a sheet of paper, walks in hands it to the lawyer and tells them to answer all of the questions written down and walks out. They all have a box of tissues that they hand to the criers. They all say the same thing, see if this sounds familiar, "I think we got a good case against such and such!", "I will send a letter to the attorney"...eventually!, "We are still waiting for their attorney to respond." After 2 weeks, "oh I am not a trial lawyer you'll have to hire someone else.", pay me for two weeks worth of wasted time. If someone else's case has a better potential of making money after they started yours, you get put on the back burner.

[@Chanselleur]

The field sobriety test always make me think nobody can pass them at all. They just want someone to say “I couldn’t even do that if I was sober” lol

[@wakeup6910]

Being super cooperative with a cop just gives the cop a woody

[@billyandrew]

😂😂😂

[@scottyp1722]

Being super cooperative with a cop just reduces your chances of getting your head bashed in.

[@mervyngreene6687]

@@scottyp1722 Not really.

[@that1guy82]

Being "super cooperative" means you are either snitching, or your dumb and telling them everything they need to arrest and convict you. Ppl normally use other words to describe this tho. Saying you are being cooperative means to me sounds like you are just letting yhem arrest and not fighting back in any way. And you can be cooperative and ask for lawyer

[@SK-ck9qu]

I was nice/co-operative with a police many years ago when he stopped me for allegedly making a left turn when the light was still red and he let me go without a ticket /arrest even though I didn't have my driving license with me. I was driving circles around a block trying to find parking.

[@billphister]

When cop begins a statement with "I can't help you", that part is true, but whatever follows probably isn't. Always remember that they are not there to help you. It's not their job to do so. Get a lawyer and say nothing until that person advises you that you should.

[@oldcop18]

As a retired cop w/30 yrs on the job this guy’s advise is spot on.

[@johnroscoe2406]

A retired cop of 30 years. Can't spell "advice." Yeah. No. You're a fake. In the chance he edits his comment; as of January 31 2020 his comment said "this guy's advise." No professional with 30 years experience in civil service misspells "advice," nor would any professional with 30 years experience in civil service make a typo like that and not proofread and catch it. In other words, a liar.

[@vitiate5093]

@@johnroscoe2406 are you dense? Misspelling can occur very easily

[@johnroscoe2406]

@@vitiate5093 Very good ignore everything else I said.

[@vitiate5093]

@@johnroscoe2406 and?

[@johnroscoe2406]

@@vitiate5093 And I explained very clearly why it's bullcrap and not an honest misspelling from someone who isn't misrepresenting themselves for false credentials.

[@LordBloodraven]

I'm an insurance agent, so I have a pad for taking sworn statements/testimonies. Since they carry the pains and penalties of perjury, I use them whenever I get pulled over to write down what the officers tell me and ask them to sign the statement. They quickly realize I'm too smart to screw with and let me go.

[@joaquinsolis7071]

Imagine being pulled over and you’re a cdl holder. Refusing a field sobriety test means you get to lose your license and not drive. Those test can be interpreted however the cop wants.

[@kevind1650]

different rules for cdls.

[@joaquinsolis7071]

@@kevind1650 exactly!! You agree to it as a cdl driver to keep your license from getting suspended but then the cop says “you’re exhibiting signs of intoxication “. You’re screwed either way.

[@kevind1650]

@Scott Lemiere Not quite. In most states, you give a higher level of "implied consent" when operating a commercial vehicle under a commercial driver's license. For example, Police can stop, weigh, inspect, and search a commercial vehicle in many instances where they would not be able to legally search a private vehicle. Different rules for CDLs.

[@kevind1650]

@Scott Lemiere Police can not stop a driver for a random check, search or inspection. There is no "implied consent" for drivers operating a non-commercial vehicle. Police have to have a violation of traffic law or other reasonable suspicion of a crime to stop a non-commercial vehicle. A commercial driver, on the other hand, can be pulled over for a random searches or safety inspections. That's why there are weigh stations all along the interstates, it is for DOT random stops and checks of commercial vehicles only.

[@amkrause2004]

Yeah in my state if you refuse a field test your DL regular gets suspended for up to 1 year and you will spend 24 hours in jail. On top of that, what cops can do is get a warrant and to a blood draw as well. Its part of our implied consent law

[@kevinlimo696]

"I don't recall", "I have no knowledge about that", "I don't know" phrases like that can be your best friend. Also your lawyer is on your side proportionally to how much you pay him. Public defenders are only looking for the fastest deal to close out the case and move on, jail time for you. Pay $1000.00's or tens of thousands per hour. you can get away with murder. Just ask O.J.

[@jaynecobb3701]

Don't say ANYTHING. Misleading or lying to the police can be bad. "I don't want to answer questions". "I don't want to talk to you" are much better phrases.

[@willbowerazraelwolf1379]

But in Panama City FL .bay. And I am speaking from experience. If you ask for a lawyer and refused to answer questions by saying I am invoking my right to remain silent they take you to jail and give you a public defender wither you want one or not

[@willbowerazraelwolf1379]

They make you take public defender even if you ask for a personal lawyer. Then they will bring up something that happened 15 years earlier which in FL nothing after 9 years unless its a crime against a child can be use against you. And they also use offenses you might have committed as minor

[@pilotmburu]

We only give him plastic silverware

[@willbowerazraelwolf1379]

@Oliver Pong see you miss my point . it doesn't matter in Panama City fl bay country. I refuse to answer any questions and even requested a personal lawyer they refused to even let call one .

[@Cmoth040]

Full disclosure; I've been a police officer for 27 years. The 5th Amendment identifies your inalienable right to keep anything incriminating to yourself. You don't have to do anything other than provide identification for an investigation and immediately state that you will not answer any further questions until you've been able to consult with an attorney. Do not consent to a search of your vehicle, if the officer has enough probable cause, an attorney will assist them with getting a search warrant. If they don't, they won't get it. If you get arrested, bond out if you can, then call an attorney. That way, the officer has to rely solely on their ability to articulate their observations to present a case to prosecution. Legislation criminalizing the accused refusing to provide evidence against their own interests are unconstitutional on their face. So, why did they get written (by attorney's) and why do they persist? Simple, attorney's don't want them to go away because they make a really good living off of the accused and the court system. (I've been to so many admin hearings where the accused lawyer doesn't even try to ask me anything). Attorney's aren't taught prosecution, they're taught primarily from the aspect of defense. Most defense attorneys spent time as prosecutors after they left law school. Not only did they do this to learn how to make money in defense more efficiently, but it also gives them friends at the prosecutor's office. They eat lunch together. They attend functions together. I can't count how many times I've seen circumstances where it's obvious attorneys on both sides made agreements about how a trial should go and then still put the court, the jury and their perspective clients through the trial anyway instead of just coming to a plea agreement. They make more money off of the trial rather than just their consultation fees. Considering that attorney's, judges (also attorneys) and politicians (also attorney's) could actually change the rules, but don't, provide the clue that they enjoy making money off of their clients more than they do helping their clients. Attorney's assist in writing the legislation, the NHTSA manuals that are used as guidelines for law enforcement, attorneys write the rules and standards that law enforcement follow in the investigation of DUIs, etc. The administrative hearing officers for suspensions are usually defense attorneys. It took 20 years for an attorney to come up with the simple Constitutional argument to overturn unconstitutional federal property seizures due to drug arrests. The Supreme Court unanimously overturned the legislation that supported it once the correct argument was made. Are that many attorneys so ignorant that they couldn't see it, or did they make more money fighting it? Attorneys can lie to you, and they do it every day.

[@IWasAllLikeG93]

This is a police officer trying to instill distrust in attorneys. Almost like he has an ulterior motive to get people to not lawyer up.

[@timothywilliams2252]

One lying cop screwed up my entire life! They are not your "friends," and invoke your 5th whenever speaking to a "peace-officer." One should NEVER talk to a cop without a lawyer present. Even though they will threaten you with jail, spend the night in jail, it's a lot better than trying to reason with these bullies.

[@phlodel]

For years the Kern County Sheriff's office used breathalyzer that ware not certified by the State of California. They also modified the units to give more positive results.

[@theduke2398]

Sounds like Kern county Alright 😂😂😂 2010-2011

[@drnobody1908]

Sounds like a lie to hop on the cops are bad train, next your going to say defund the police.

[@epictoast6727]

@@drnobody1908 unfortunately things like this do happen in small towns. My wife grew up in a small town in Oklahoma and some of the things her and her family have told me about the police force there is crazy. However we all still support the police as a whole. Just not that particular towns police force.

[@E.L.RipleyAtNostromo]

@@drnobody1908 no, I totally support the police, and the idea about defunding them is idiotic, but crap like this does routinely happen, especially in smaller towns and jurisdictions. Some cops just think they can get away with it, and usually do. Has nothing to do with “telling lies about the police.”

[@rustyjones7908]

@@drnobody1908 "defund the police" is a false flag to discredit critics of an increasingly authoritarian society. You'll be smugly saying "you just want to defund the police" while the noose is tightening around your neck.

[@ILikeCatsMoreThanILikeYou]

In Canada, refusing the breath test carries the same punishment as failing

[@johnins0mnia584]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. Read that on my driving school book. Was suprised but I kinda understand.

[@robertyoung9589]

You are so lucky to live in Canada.

[@ILikeCatsMoreThanILikeYou]

@@robertyoung9589 I think you're being sarcastic... but I'm not quite sure.

[@josephbradshaw5353]

It’s not always in your best interest to remain silent, I always admit to nothing and redirect their questions and choose not deniability but act as if I am ignorant and know nothing about what they ask. I choose to communicate on their level while admitting to nothing but ignorance on their line of questioning in their investigation. It’s what decides wether your a person of interest or a criminal in their eyes.

[@piercemchugh4509]

Who cares what they think? Only matters what they can do to you. And talking only gives them opportunity.

[@glenn6583]

No. Don’t play with them. Be polite and don’t answer questions.

[@davidknisely3003]

In Nebraska, a refusal to take a PBT road-side breath test is a traffic infraction which can lead to an arrest with a possible fine of up to $100 for that infraction alone. About one in four states also make it a crime or infraction to refuse the PBT. This needed to be mentioned at the outset of this video!

[@banzaiib]

have tried not talking to the police at several DUI check points in my area... they get pretty annoyed, twice they really hounded me to answer, but i kept quiet except to ask one question, "do i have to answer that question". If they say, "yes", then they have violated the 5th ammendment. If they say, "no", then they admit that you don't have to answer, which they don't really want to do. It's been a weird experience for me, and i have to say, the social pressure to answer their questions is quite strong, even for this consitutional conservative. i think, after these interactions, that we should practice interacting with the police, as figuring it out in the moment isn't exactly a good idea. Doing a role play with a friend might help...

[@giantdad1661]

Funny that they can't lie about your rights. But can lie about all else.

[@KpxUrz5745]

Traffic ticket quotas became insane in my area. The only two traffic tickets in my life: 1) a no-seatbelt violation (while wearing a seatbelt); and 2) a speeding ticket while sitting at a red light in the slow lane, after passing no one.

[@TheMatthew001]

there was a video i watched a while ago titled "nothing good come from talking to the police" about how police will do anything to get a confession out of you, even for things not related to the current crime in question. even if you accidentally lie due to stress that's enough to get you in trouble, so just literally never talk to the police.

[@ted.angell7609]

James Duane. Do not talk to the police. It’s been turned into a book/audiobook called “You Have the Right to Remain Innocent.”

[@burningempire666]

Great video

[@nickrogers3624]

In some states such as Pennsylvania, refusing to take the breath test will result in a 1 year or greater suspension and the same charges that would come with a basic dui. So in cases like this its probably better to take the test if you haven’t been drinking

[@mtrofa447]

You can refuse the roadside test and ask to be taken to the station or hospital for a certified test

[@nickrogers3624]

@@mtrofa447 as someone who actually experiences interacting with multiple people per day who learned that that is not entirely the case I disagree. You can request to take the test at a station but it gets classified as a chemical test refusal. You are legally obligated to blow here in PA and if you refuse the test by roadside, you will be given an additional occurrence if you refuse the test at the station.

[@tomgio1]

I moved to the South 10 years ago from Jersey and have enjoyed it immensely, and was so happy to hear “might could” from this attorney. I’ve pulled out “y’all (best 2nd person term ever) and “bless their heart” (best passive/aggressive compliment ever), but have yet to employ “might could” yet. It’s beautifully efficient, but I feel I’m trespassing until the time is right.

[@sebastian122]

Keep in mind, things vary by state. In the state of NJ when you sign you DL you are **agreeing** to roadside testing for DUI/DWI. If you refuse the breathalyzer, it is an additional charge/offense and has its own fees.

[@ezrollerj]

Those are threats. If found not guilty that "mandatory " actions are null and void

[@crispywan]

Everytime I see these I always think that won't work in NJ

[@scottydu81]

@@crispywan Seriously, fuck New Jersey

[@displayfireworks1]

Probably one of the best attorney advice , explanations and summary videos I heard so far. And, it shows in the thumbs up number . 309 police hate this video.

[@mekanikose]

Why does it feel like cops will come up with any excuse to arrest you, as if they have a quota to fill instead of "to serve and protect"

[@charlie15627]

Being polite and courteous won’t make things any worse for you but sometimes it does make things better. PS Being nice to a cop has influenced them into letting me go on petty offenses on several occasions.

[@Scooty_Scooty]

I'm not American so don't know what the police are like there outside of news stories but I have had the same where I am. Minor driving offenses let go because I was polite and respectful. It doesn't hurt or cost anything to be polite and respectful to anyone doing these job regardless of what that job is.

[@ballpython3310]

I have been pulled over for petty stuff since they thought my brother, a known idiot and drug dealer at the time, was in the car. When they see me they normally just chatted a bit before going on their way.

[@MasterArmedforces]

Ive always thought there should have been/should be a mandatory class you need to take your sophomore year in HS (b4 you start driving), which helps you navigate your interactions with law enforcement. Not a class intended to help you lie to them, but to help you see what THEIR intentions are.

[@ferretyluv]

A good driving school will teach you that.

[@ballpython3310]

They also teach people to not do drugs in high school but we see how that goes.

[@uuuultra]

But then the courts can't make any money off of you

[@Gottaculat]

As someone who used to open carry (now I conceal carry), I've had many encounters with the police. Each encounter ended with them smiling, apologizing, and wishing me a pleasant rest of the day. My strategy is to keep my hands clearly visible and away from my weapon, put on a friendly smile, greet the officers, make no movements I don't first ask permission to do, request badge confirmation before surrendering my weapon or ID (telling them I need to verify they aren't police impersonators), then complying with any and all lawful commands they give me, and never offer more information than absolutely necessary. I've found - for me - this works exceptionally well. There's also something to be said for tact and charm, coming off as a non-threat. Police are people like you and me, and the vast majority don't want trouble anymore than we do. It can also help to compliment the officer for their professionalism, as people like hearing their work is appreciated. The cops get a little annoyed when you (politely) demand badge verification before proceeding, but it's a reasonable request, and I've never had a real cop deny the request. Sadly, not all cops are so professional, and I suppose I'm fortunate to have had honorable police in my encounters. They have since stopped getting called on me since I started conceal carrying. Some think only malicious people would hide a weapon, but the truth is it's just a better way. Avoids unnecessary drama, and gives you the element of surprise.

[@kandykornpumpkins]

May I ask why you're carrying a weapon? My assumption is self-defense but your statement about "the element of surprise" contradicts that.

[@jbed6]

@@kandykornpumpkins nope. if someone is mugging you and they don't see your gun, that is considered a special surprise.

[@kandykornpumpkins]

@@jbed6 lmfao well I can't argue with that

[@Hunter_2-1]

@@kandykornpumpkins My answer to that question is, "NO"(Silence follows)

[@debtoralive4693]

Because an average citizen carrying a concealed weapon is completely necessary. In fact, everyone should have a hidden weapon, that way the world will be safer. Gun nut logic.

[@zandig666]

I was in an accident the other day I've been law abiding for many years yet I felt like I was guilty until proven innocent

[@djs12007]

You don't say ANYTHING about the Judges! OK in MY state, Texas, Chp 45 of the Texas transportation code says you "may" consent to a FST, it doesn't say you "must" consent, but Judges continually suspend driver's licenses due to a failure to consent. Standard suspension for refusing is 180 days, (6 friggin months). If you take the test and fail it, they only suspend it for half that time, (90 days). The way the JUDGES interpret the laws is what we need to be concerned with.

[@Milesco]

Any law that requires you to perform a field sobriety test is unconstitutional.

[@djs12007]

@Scott Lemiere Tell me where I can look up this "implied Consent" because that seems to conflict with our state Constitution which states: Article 1 section 10: "He shall not be compelled to provide evidence to be used against him", (a direct quote). This passage make me think it's illegal to put someone on a gurney to forcibly draw blood. Also, refusing to cooperate with an officer is NOT a confession. What law requires me to "cooperate" to make an officer's job easier for him/her?

[@jeremiahsouthworth5112]

Implied consent laws reference BAC tests and NOT FSTs.

[@djs12007]

@@jeremiahsouthworth5112 OK thanks, but now that makes me ask one question: You've seen my post about Chp. 45 of Texas's Transportation code, so does "implied Consent" supersede that?

[@jeremiahsouthworth5112]

@@djs12007 It doesn't supersede it, no. I can't really speak to anything without knowing the facts of the case. The law in Texas does state that refusal to submit to a BAC test AFTER lawful arrest where an officer has reasonable suspicion that you are driving under the influence can be punished by a suspension of your license for a minimum of 180 days. But this is still referring to a procedure done not in the field but at the police station or some other location. What police carry isn't actually a breathalyzer and doesn't have the same accuracy. Plus in order for a breathalyzer to be accurate you have to ensure that the suspect has no alcohol fumes in their mouth and this is accomplished by observing the suspect for a minimum of 15 to 20 minutes which isn't reasonable during a traffic stop. It is possible, but again I can't say for sure, that the relevant section of law is being misinterpreted or otherwise misapplied and it simply hasn't been challenged.

[@jpo1056]

27 years as a LEO and every word he said is true. What he is describing is poor police work and I never had to stoop to it. I know others do.

[@purplesprigs]

The only time that I needed the police (someone tried, very hard, to kick down my front door) Chesterfield, Missouri's finest accused me of being high (no) and of kicking my own front door (no). Only after I proved that the footprint on my front door was made by a foot much larger than mine did they leave me alone. Sherlock Holmes they are not.

[@jpo1056]

@@purplesprigs Unfortunate, but true. It's only going to get worse.

[@johnwarren2420]

You have to depend on other officers to back you up and we both know that is a limit on you or any officer on how you have to do your job when working with poorly trained or cops with a strong arm mentally having been a deputy back in the 70's and 80's before becoming Council to the Attorney General of my state and later a elected official for 16 years, as a matter a fact my neighbor and old partner is still on the job 45 years now, be safe and watch your 6 God Bless.

[@stephenearly1666]

This man is amazing and helped me out so much years ago so much so I referred my friend to him. Thanks for being a great man and lawyer!

[@NecromancyForKids]

A few years ago, it came to light that breath tests were being falsified where I live. So even if you were not drunk and the machine did not show you were, they altered the result and failed you anyway.

[@ajaxslamgoody9736]

In KY if you refuse the breathalyzer, YOU ARE Immediately going to Jail and it is AUTOMATICALLY a DUI

[@agrimm1140]

this is where the 'law'/justice system steps over the line - they can't prove you committed a crime and won't allow you to prove you didn't! simply because you refuse to 'obey' their stupid demands! I had a DUI thrown out of court because they had 'proof' my BAC was 3.33%! The human body dies at 1%! (but .333% was not over the legal limit, at the time!!)

[@joelhardin4093]

Same in Wv. Installed breathalyzers for 9 years. Guilty until proven innocent.

[@cheesebutt1000]

Same in Iowa, remember don't believe everything the youtube lawyer says either. In many states if you refuse field breathalizer you WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO TO JAIL AND LOSE YOUR LICENSE FOR 90 DAYS ! This happens before you go to court and it is a done deal regardless of your trial outcome

[@ericrushing3479]

And Louisiana

[@RScott413]

I didn't blow into the tube, refused the jail breathalyzer in 1993. My license was suspended for 90 days and I was convicted of reckless driving. I had to pay 500 dollars and that was the end of the story. No diversion program with AA meetings, no evaluation, no victims panel, just no driving for 3 months. It's not even on my record anymore. It was 1993 and I NEVER drove after drinking again.

[@rayrowley4013]

If the officer says that you will be arrested or fined unless you answer their questions or step outside or something else, can it be used against you if you only answered because you were being coerced? The one that comes up a lot on tv is the threat that they will charge you if you call your lawyer and make them wait but won't if you just talk with them now.

[@southpike1000]

As a former interlock tech and ASAP worker I can tell you 100%, take that damn test. A refusal to take that test is an automatic guilty verdict. I've seen it in court every single time.

[@thjtr-qx3ro]

Every judge or political figure ever that has the unfortunate experience to be arrested and gets the vid published.. is 90% of the time refusing the breathalyzer on cam… I will go with what I see the drunk judge/politician doing and take my chances.. yes they still arrest you and yes your license is suspended for a year.. but you just might get out of the dui once the lawyers are involved.. if you take the breathalyzer and blow over limit… your done and charged.

[@leadthumbs1]

Not to mention by the time you get to the station or hospital your abc might have dropped below illegal numbers

[@bigtuna9529]

If you refuse the breathalyzer in many states they will then do a blood draw that’s gong to get done one way the other, if you refuse they WILL do a forced blood draw & it’s perfectly legal on those states! The easy answer… don’t drink & drive you have zero to worry about!! Personally if you are stupid enough to drink & drive you DESERVE to be caught!

[@tomroberts1105]

One other thing to remember, given the obesity epidemic, is if you are or become diabetic, and enter ketosis, you can blow over even if you've never drank in your life.

[@ezrollerj]

Don't lie. I beat my case despite lies. Always refuse, they will arrest you even if you blow regardless.

[@Trashman702]

I once told an investigator “if you had something on you wouldn’t be asking me, you’d be charging me”. Man he was pissed but couldn’t do anything about it

[@patroscher6240]

The best way to avoid a dwi is to simply not drink and drive. If you are drinking and then driving you ought to get arrested and removed from the street.

[@mr.battle20]

Yeah, it's amazing how many people fail to grasp this simple fact. I'm reminded of that part from the movie Liar Liar. Secretary: "Boss, Skull knocked over another ATM again, this time at knife point. He needs your expert legal advice." Fletcher (grabs the phone in frustration): "STOP BREAKING THE LAW, ASSHOLE!"

[@kylecoffman9013]

They should ban alcohol or have every single vehicle with a blow and go. But they would lose too much money and that's what the government is all about.

[@mr.battle20]

@@kylecoffman9013 Banning alcohol would just lead to Prohibition-era levels of crime. Speakeasies and moonshiners would run rampant.

[@kylecoffman9013]

@@mr.battle20 That's why I said every vehicle should have a blow and go.

[@judgementgaming3270]

@@kylecoffman9013 every vehicle having a blow and go could be argued as unconstitutional in the US, as its very presence presumes the person is guilty. You’re innocent until you are proven guilty, that’s the way this works.

[@Unknown-Unknown.]

I've been on both sides of the fence. And having to retain a defense attorney is not the most pleasant feeling! It feels good being back on the right side.

[@oopsioded]

regarding the breath test situation, what happens when they go down the "if you've got nothing to hide, why you deny taking it?" I mean they can use that argument if you play the " I don't need to do it" card. And then, they start the "sir, I'm gonna need you to step out of the vehicle" and you go like "but why, I didn't do anything" and we all know where it goes from there. What I'm trying to say is that sometimes, you deny the attitude and you should but at the same time, there is always the "resistance to comply" argument that the police is entitled to abuse for some damn reason.

[@jesse.vr6]

Just from watching these kinda videos, I think it's a 4th amendment thing where you aren't subject to an unreasonable search (breath test)

[@arthour051]

​@@jesse.vr6 The 4th amendment only gives you the right to travel. The *10th* amendment says anything not covered by the constitution (like testing to see if youre drunk while driving) falls to the states. A breathtest is not a unreasonable "search" because you are on the roadway, and it is reasonable for the police to ensure everyone who is on the roads is driving in a safe manner. The exact laws covering when a police officer can demand a breathtest, and what exactly would make it reasonable, changes from state to state however as each state legislates this differently, because the constitution does not define what is 'reasonable' so its left to the courts of each state to decide and establish case law or the legislators to codify

[@dawndishsoap3398]

"Anything you say can and will be used AGAINST you." Not for you. In an interrogation room to the police talking to you, your guilty until proven innocent

[@itt2055]

In Australia the breath test on the side of the road is compulsory and refusing it will cause you to get arrested. If you blow over the limit you have the choice to ask for another test on a more accurate breath test machine at the police station or have a blood test, depending on how much time has elapsed from your last drink the roadside test can be lower than the station test or blood test. In Australia it is illegal to drive without carrying your driver's licence and you must present it when asked by an officer who has pulled you over.

[@JasonLianneMac]

…and there is a TV show based on these Random Breath Tests.

[@itt2055]

​@JasonLianneMac there is a TV show on what is commonly called the booze bus. Since breath testing the cases of drunk driving accidents has gone down by over 75% so random breath tests do work and are a necessary part of saving people's lives.

[@commenthero4635]

I was lucky. My high school law teacher was a anti police hippy type. He told us all about cops deceptive and how to avoid getting in trouble with them. Most useful teacher ever. I doubt if he would be allowed to teach today.

[@dylanroemmele906]

Are you serious? If anything he is the rule not the exception nowadays.

[@2101case]

Have you been living in a cave somewhere recently?

[@commenthero4635]

@@2101case I don't have kids. When you don't have kids and you're not in school than you don't follow or care about what is being taught in schools.

[@ReubenAStern]

If you confess to something you will hear "is there anything else you want to tell me?" This is them trying to get more convictions on you. It's pretty obvious, but they wait until your guard is down.

[@drkangel1134]

In Maryland if you refuse a breathalyzer your license gets suspended for a year