After 5 Yrs Under Dev, EU5 Cooked The PERFECT ECONOMIC SYSTEM

[@LudietHistoria]

While you wait for eu5 watch byzantium for the 88th time kzbin.info/www/bejne/fXnCnZyKYph3eMk

[@BalkanGeopolitics2]

Ludi could you please make more videos on your second channel Ludi? And also talk bit more about ur life in Romania and how shit it is. I feel the same way about my country Serbia but can't move not until i first finish programming for applied arts(I'm trying my best at 26 rn first year)... It sort of gives me composure to watch videos like that until i move away. i was thinking about Switzerland. But first after finishing studies here i would have to gain some experience to showcase. I plan on trying my absolute best to learn it all so i can work for some known company and then ask to be transferred to Switzerland 😃. Anyways i enjoyed ur second channel videos a lot, especially those videos where u rant how shit it was in Romania

[@edhoj]

@@LudietHistoria we can now industrial our nation

[@justAlbert_]

So now we have vicky economy in eu5 too. This is one hell of an ambitious game. I really hope they dont mess it up

[@tamastorok6066]

they already messed up sadly, 4 game into 1 never works

[@Sadiregu1619]

@@tamastorok6066 With that attitude, no one should ever try anything new.

[@SylveonSimp]

this game is the fanfic chimera of some neckbeard modder

[@obamaibnbahish5680]

@@SylveonSimp And it shall be glorious

[@Xion3Dan]

Why even unnecessarily shove Vicky mechanics into EU? These are supposed to be separate IPs. The fact that Ludi mentions that so much of this is like Vicky is a bad sign in my opinion... If you want complex economics and manufacturing go to Vicky 3! EU5 is not supposed to be like this or so focused on resources...

[@basedimperialism]

Honestly, anything that stops battles in 1790 from being WH40k-sized deathstack combat is an improvement.

[@emil9088]

seriously yeah

[@Idonotwanthandle]

Oh, Warhammer 40K name was inspired by EU4 tactics. You live you learn.

[@juviowater]

I think now the "Embargo" option will have real effects.

[@speedyx3493]

@@juviowater I hope it won’t do much because I want there to be many more options of messing with other countries’ economies. In eu4 embargo is basically the only way of doing that besides just conquering them and prioritizing taking trade centers or sending privateers to their main trade node

[@speedyx3493]

Oh yeah, I forgot “slander merchants” which has been used a total of like 30 times by an actual player since it was added to the game

[@Brakiros]

I never Embargo it might reduce their income but it can also reduce yours as well lol it's not worth the PP

[@Alen725]

@@Brakiros If you never embargo then you are bad at this game lol, it increases power projection, and sometimes enough to pass 50 and get 3 mana points.

[@Brakiros]

@@Alen725 I know how PP works champ i've played this game more then enough

[@T1meturner]

Where is the mega campaign? It's been 2 weeks, I am on the verge of going insane.

[@mehdin3896]

Exactly

[@AoH3_King]

Would you say... you're on the "edge"? Would you say you are currently edging? How would you feel if you were edging?

[@maxharrop9560]

@@AoH3_King Edging!

[@roneyIV]

I managed to recover everyone's wallets from Ludi, you can wait a bit more. (He will take them again)

[@pooperscooper8791]

It failed, he can’t win. He purposely nerfed him self saying he didn’t want to snow ball but now he can’t get past the next game. He has to start over and snowball. Go big in imperator then stay big

[@simonl4657]

the meiou mods has had this for a year now, A lot of development ideas came from the mod community and this is the one thing that paradox have that few other games have which is an extremely dedicated intellligent fan base

[@viinlau]

When it comes to mines people always mine the easiest and cheapest resources first, but as the mining technology improves and/or the price raises less attractive deposits became financially profitable. This combined with a large initial capital investment, makes expanding mines more feasible than starting new ones. Of course all depends on deposit type and other factors, but that is the main reason why certain mines have lasted so long

[@edwxx20001]

some mines will also deplete, likely and just like EU4 we will have some goods that don't get unlocked until later.

[@xModerax]

And then you have victoria 3 that has peak malthus resource shortages for basic goods at the end of the 19th century or oil that is just arbitrary in numbers

[@JohnHathorne8]

I agree and I am very hopeful for EU5. They are taking all the right development paths. Looking forward to playing and modding that game in the future.

[@witrex7764]

Ah yes Hearts of Victoria Universalis Kings

[@akiamini4006]

Honestly i was recently playing as Iran in eu4 , i was taking a chill pill since i was over gov cap by 600 , the thing that i noticed a lot is that im not gaining any bonus by being in peace , in eu5 they should make it so that keeping your peasents alive and not sent to the front lines to the vaporized

[@fungisrock8955]

I think there will be indirect bonuses for that since there will be a pop mechanic. If your peasants die in wars it'll lower your pops which will probably hurt your RGOs. So I doubt there will be a "reprasentative number" negative modifier for being at war, but there will be consequences through the game systems.

[@NUCCubus]

But you do gain a bonus by not having your lands devastated by war, prosperity.

[@Doz2y]

Eu5 is gonna kill other paradox games by how good it is. Its taking all the good things from other pdx games, and making the perfect game, and i love it!

[@TheJonnyjoh]

I don't think so, since the gameplay is, in my opinion at least, only one half of the formula, the other half being the prefered time period of the player. I, for instance, don't play either Victoria 2/3 or HOI4 at all, since I'm not that interested in the modern time period, but rather like the ancient to late medieval period much more.

[@razor191919]

Let's just hope all those mechanics work well together and doesn't break easily

[@god0fperfection]

EU5 playlist needs an update!

[@Nulledart]

I wonder if could dominate a global economy by controlling too much of a single good, and what would that do to the dynamic trade nodes? EU5 is looking to be a VERY good game!

[@SirBalageG]

Either a near-perfect market model or magic-powered coding of V2

[@edwxx20001]

It will likely come down to every province in the game producing a very small amount of the lowest level of construction Tech. so even opm's not in a market can build something, anything. in this case, building's should be able to produce small amount of goods that you would otherwise not produce in the province. The question is, can I produce iron in EVERY PROVANCE with a building? or is that a rgo that can only be produced in a province with that item.

[@SirBalageG]

@@edwxx20001 based on v3, we'll get multiple trade goods in one province, that building model makes more sense but how do you build building is an other question as I don't want to see construction sectors in a quasi-medieval game or have as much construction potential as a city state while I'm the emperor

[@northfox1154]

If constructing requires goods = unprofitable to construct many buildings at once fun: you need 2 transport points on your boat to transport 1 horse, but only 1 point to transport 1 elephant

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

I assume that 1 unit of horses is more than 1 single horse, while 1 unit of elephants is much fewer elephants

[@zgalexy83]

Someone else pointed that out on the forums and Johan noted that it should probably be 5.

[@Tasmosunt]

Paradox tend to announce the games ten months in advance of their target release, meaning unless it's announced in the next month I wouldn't expect it this year at all.

[@whitehawk4099]

Yeah I've been expecting it to be coming maybe mid 2026 or later on. It's very ambitious.

[@Icyclean6969]

Can’t wait for the extended timeline mod to come out for EUV so that I can play remastered VK2

[@freddydaschizo]

facts

[@Antiork]

the "dates" joke got me :D

[@antoniusbjorn3952]

I wonder if Privateering now actually makes sense, and how it impacts the eco and market.

[@SydnesYT]

Hey Ludi, I've always thought that the moments where you look into a camera & talk to us are for some reason so warming, like I'm having a conversation with a friend. Idk if it is just me, attachment of some sort or what, but that is one of the reasons I continue to watch you for multiple years now. Thank you for your videos! ❤

[@SydnesYT]

Also, while I find the "stackenwipen" moments very likeable & adorable, sometimes hilarious, the moments where you talk normally, where you are the real you (for the lack of the better word), are so much more (but they are both great)! It's just a pleasure to watch you, no matter the subject of the video, and I just realized that

[@SydnesYT]

and HAPPY NEW YEAR to you! 🎉

[@Alf-r1c]

quit worshiping youtubers

[@xeon39688]

wtf

[@Volsraphel]

parasocial andy

[@hotman_pt_]

I need EU5 right nowww, they are taking longer than I expected to announce the game

[@AFrenchGuyIGuess]

They were never going to announce the game in 2024, they stated that months ago.

[@hotman_pt_]

@AFrenchGuyIGuess yes but still they begun development quite a long time ago. They are perfecting this masterpiece

[@AFrenchGuyIGuess]

@@hotman_pt_ They're doing the necessary work ahead of time instead of post-launch, EU4 is still fairly popular and good - so they don't really have a fire upp their asses.

[@mrgopnik5964]

In the case of mines, a lot of things can be done in order to determine their productivity and existence. I personally believe there should be certain criteria for the size of ore deposits, that determine how much resources can be extracted before the mine depletes, as well as technology that allows you to discover new deposits, or reach deeper levels of large deposits.

[@elisfsharri]

I think the game should have the concept of space. - A location with a small population but a big space is good for keeping livestock or horses. - A bigger population or presence of slaves makes agriculture more viable. - Too many people makes it necessary to import the food. - Water areas should also be usable for fishing. - Enemy raids or wars should decrease the amount of resources (or even output capacity). - Technological advances, land reclamations or resource discovery should increase resource output. - There should be no cap for buildings except for space constraints and usability of said building. - The concept of development from EU4 could be translated to space for the population, like buildings and land, and presence of amenities, like roads, markets, aquaducts, educational institutions, factories etc.

[@juhaszmate5095]

This is just arable land in vic3. Also "no cap on buildings except for space constraints" is an oxymoron. You want a cap that isn't a cap? But i do agree, I think the way vic3 does it would work in eu5, where every province has x arable land, and x of each type of resource that you can extract, and each resource producer takes away your arable land. Maybe one change could be to make production buildings also use arable land, since most of the population had to work agriculture to sustain the population back then, and industrializing would reduce that

[@elisfsharri]

@juhaszmate5095 I want a limitation that is not a fixed number of buildings, like in EU4. That limitation though depends on factors like terrain type, population size, technology, investments and maybe weather. The concept of investments is related closely to the concept of city / land planning. I wouldn't suggest going too much in depth, but there should be land transfers (buying, selling, gifting, seizing) for each location and with local effects on things like unrest, tax and production value, type of goods produced, recruitment speed and technological advancement. Unlike the current system, there could be much more customization. Here are some examples of what a location could be : - A regular city. It has all necessary state buildings and a big area dedicated to housing. - The center of a capital city. It has all necessary state buildings, but bigger than those in a regular city, and it also has some unique buildings (ie embassies, universities, hospitals). It has very little housing, or none at all. - The periphery of a capital city. It has mainly housing with a very small amount of local amenities. - A military city. It only has buildings that are relevant to army operations. It also includes housing but mainly for the military personnel. - An army camp. Similar to the military city but built quickly when attacking an enemy (especially when sieging). Its buildings are mainly temporary (tents or wooden structures). - An agricultural area. Especially in the colonies, there could be whole locations that have only plantations and housing. These are just some examples. Non-state buildings should be built by the AI though, to make the game easier for the player. There could be decisions or events, though, that allow the state to build or fund them. P.S: I think there should be no 'Upgrades' for buildings. Instead, they should be called 'Expansions' and should take extra space.

[@fungisrock8955]

Genuinely excited for what looks to be the true Vicky 3.

[@diogomelo7897]

I don't know if I get more hyped or scared for EU5. If it works, it might be their greatest game, but if the launch is bad, it would be a monumental failure

[@NieprawdziweKonto]

11:58 Mines were often considered depleted because people did not have the technology to mine harder stone, prevent shaft collapse, or pump air over long distances. Doesn't matter if you know where the gold is, if you're unable to mine it.

[@groerhahn225]

Can't wait for the game to be playable in 5 years and actually affordable with an average salary in 10!

[@wildfire9280]

I’m more excited for Vicky economics in EU5’s time period than I am with Vicky economics in Victoria 2’s time period. …Then again it’s a difference of over 400 years.

[@the_feedle]

Mine depletion does exist irl, however it doesnt happen like we imagine. It's not a process that happens overnight, where one day we discover that they is no more ores and we close the mine. In reality, mineral veins are part of a core rock/soil, and make up only a few percents of the total extraction mass (that's why mining pollutes even more than oil extraction). As a mine is exploited, the percentage of minerals per m3 gets smaller and smaller, until the percentage is to small for the mine to be worth the cost of extraction. That's the moment when a mine is usually closed

[@Verygoodfeel01]

Happy New Year Ludi i wish you successful and happy 2025 🎉🎉🎉

[@rzu1474]

Maybe... to build a horse farm, you need horses, as a building requirment, makes sense

[@Scribe1941]

What if eu5 is the Vicky 3 the Vicky 2 community wanted and the disappointment we got.

[@kyleholmgren5939]

Honest question, is EU5 just Vicky 3 with EU4 paint slapped on?

[@josemiranda9859]

They better have a dlc for spices cuz just labeling all spices as spices broadly eliminates so much strategy and fun stuff

[@edwxx20001]

All spice is spice, you mine them from spice nodes that come out of the ground.

[@johnnygreenface]

@@josemiranda9859 bro needs cinnamon and cloves 😭

[@riachuelo4340]

And it will run at a perfect 15 frames per second.

[@ofthehunt4243]

"Glad to learn something even newer!" -ludi learning something 6 thousand years old lol

[@KirbyRL]

Tbh I liked the trade going left or right it let my ooga booga brain not have to worry about anything and focus on my missions and wars. EU4 is fun for me due to its simplicity in micro while still being complex, I can always stick to eu4 which makes it fine.

[@rizkiadriansyah1784]

7:01 damn ludi I was eating here 😂

[@FalkyRocket2222]

cant wait to accurately recreate the triangle trade

[@pixynowwithevenmorebelkanb6965]

I hope these new things wont be that expensive for the average medium nation (Bohemia) and not too trivial for the large one (France post 1500) so you actually have to work with the economy at all times

[@anders1026]

I am loving dis

[@bah8925]

We need more products! More! More!

[@zikkitzo]

Paradox makes Excel fun

[@kostaraicevic1587]

This is gonna be a great game

[@Imperial_Legacy]

I want EU5 so much!!!!

[@HabibTheTurkish-io2jb]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

[@skeezyyyyyyyyyy]

ludi we got a lot of questions for you where is mega campaign and where is promised ck3 videos?

[@CatladyAyaki]

Love you Ludi! 2025 let's goooooo!!!!

[@susznie9418]

Finally a reason to use embargo button and CB

[@gloriousrobotbunny3275]

how is the salve trade going to be modelled? seeing the slaves as a trade good feels like they are just gonna do what they did in eu4 where workforce doesnt exist. the sheep make cloth themselves, the metals become alloy on theyre own. because it obfuscates a lot of the reasons behind why a lot of things happened in history shoutout to lemoncake

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@gloriousrobotbunny3275 but… pops literally exist both as trade goods and as estate/culture/religion demographics in EU5. Levying non-professional troops is slated to dramatically reduce food harvests as many peasants won't be there to bring food back from the field into the larders before they rot

[@edwxx20001]

Slaves as a caste strata and not a trade good would make more sense. still have most of a costs of a pop, but reduced something? how do laws work in EU5? are there even going to be laws, or will there just be a popup, to ban slavery. Im not sure EU5 is going to be modeling pop wealth in terms of buying things, like vic does.

[@omartunkara7711]

What is ludi’s PC setup?

[@lucasdafsilva]

When eu5 will be released? This year?

[@kaziktoameba5441]

When 3D 360* VR interactive BWC reveal?

[@derpinub]

BWC is for Brandenburg World Conquest, right? Right???

[@edwxx20001]

@derpinub Thats what we all think of when we see the letters BWC

[@jakubreliga2549]

Ok if we need weapons for units its great cause no longer there will be spam by ai just cause they have quantity

[@kostaraicevic1587]

Can somebody explain 8:55 joke?

[@SylveonSimp]

date as rendevouz and date as food

[@ReyMichaelZornosa]

March of the Hearts of the Victoria Universalis Kings

[@ali___03]

will this game have similar performance to EU4?

[@jack80156]

A lot of these goods seems suspiciously familiar from a certain mod.

[@UwU_for_Christ]

@jack80156 pretty sure pdx specifically hired a bunch of eu4 modders to work on eu5

[@edwxx20001]

yeah they totaly copied iron from anbennar.

[@ВладимирСолопов-ю3п]

Does this mean that slaves will be a trade good and not a pop type?

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Both. They'll count as pops when settled and trade goods when traded.

[@android175]

People say this game is too complicated when vicky2 exists.

[@Meanietube]

Slaves will be goods instead of pops?

[@jr8260]

@@Meanietube could be modeled as both

[@RealitiesCookiejar]

what never made sense to me in eu4 is how france produced lots of things like wine and wheat and cows, but didnt produce any dyes. History lesson for anyone interested; france was the sole producer of yellow dye in europe. it would have been worth a fortune in export.

[@SylveonSimp]

remember when vic and eu were different brands? 😟

[@wildfire9280]

Alum, please add details.

[@0Iceman228]

Lives in Japan, doesn't know Lacquerware, where basically every bowl and box you eat out of is made to look like if it were real Lacquerware. 🤪

[@Zait2009]

Will steel be produced by Romanians?

[@АлексейДрузин-ш8ю]

Eu 5 is really promising

[@OldSlimJolo]

I sure hope EU4 armies will feel more organic and not just be half-stacks of cannon lol

[@SylveonSimp]

as ambitious as this game is, i wouldnt be surprised if every battle was a total war battle

[@anrupri]

I think fur was much more valuable back then, it's was used on par with precious metals

[@EaSkateVideo]

Almost first, but no cigar 🚬

[@ppolo12]

13:00 EU4 system was so bad

[@Uloncl]

where mega campaign

[@fmknowledgechannel6458]

About ottoman part 3

[@TheLeperofJerusalem]

1 view in 51 seconds, Ludi fell off

[@EaSkateVideo]

hashtag cancelLudi

[@SirBalageG]

Rad pfp

[@CharlesOffdensen]

I hope this game does not come in the middle of the year so that I can save up money for a new PC. I would need a lot of money for a machine that could run EU5.

[@Madmax-yh7ek]

Bring back mean Ldui :D he was fun!

[@deadwormlgav]

I can finally make an alcoholic empire

[@pacovides5364]

Me hearing for the 189234th time where the romans got the purple color :|

[@TheAnton999]

now that we are in 2025, it's time to release the game

[@Boleslav4]

If people want 10 horses and there is only 1 horse, the price will still be capped? What is this bolshevik system? :D

[@Valkanna.Nublet]

I hope the economy is not too much like Vicy, I never could get the hand of balancing everything.

[@lrabol1735]

I cant help but be afraid that the games economy is going to be some what problematic and the game unplayable until the third dlc

[@lepit3943]

Damn hearts of iron -1 does sound interesting

[@kishitendou5492]

@@lepit3943 Hearts of Bronze

[@lepit3943]

@ oh yeah that sounds so much better

[@Katalonski_Watazka]

Give us Eu 5 right now 😡

[@pooperscooper8791]

This is gonna be dumbed down like civ 5 6

[@joemulligan7805]

Mega campaign as al aluminium

[@azadde373]

Sigma

[@ahmedhady6093]

150 Views in 3 Minutes? Ludi you starting to fall off 😂

[@dlld3954]

Where is whale fat and bee wax?

[@Sarre_Casme]

9:05 me who use the North African countries to invade Europe

[@thiagonlol9866]

This should have been vic3 :(

[@ScorpionCHAM]

+1

[@user-je3sk8cj6g]

This is looking somewhat similar to Imperator Rome, but a little bit more complete. We shall see.

[@DonPedroman]

Same economy as Vic2 ? Aryan gamers rise up, this is our game.

[@user-sg3wp2qs2b]

Eu5? No. Victoria II 2

[@567saturn]

There is no way EU5 wilk be even close to EU4 in first several years of game life

[@JJ-kg1hq]

@@567saturn they have enough content and flavour that will be equal on launch to eu4 right now

[@mrtoobs]

You have been beta playing;)

[@bertrambolsingbruel3829]

It feels somehow kind of wrong to have slaves as a "Produced Good" idk

[@joshuafrimpong244]

nah, it makes a little sense, but it should be from vassals and tributaries

[@j-Gappy-h]

Diddy

[@1114-j7o]

Cant stress enough how this idea of mixing eu and vic will be catastrophically BAD...

[@JamesButler-yw6rm]

@@1114-j7o How do you expand on eu4 then?

[@johnnygreenface]

@@1114-j7o I don't see the issue with giving EU a real economic system

[@wojciechbieniek4185]

The dyes wos actually the worst example bocouse som of their cainds wos produced in Europe like indygo from woad (pl. urzet barwierski) or cochineal (pl. koszenila).