AFTER EVERYTHING IM GOING WITH THESE TRUCKS! (Indy's, Ace AF1, Venture, Thunder)

After skating ace af1's, thunder's, venture lights, and indy's. I have finally made a decision on what trucks I'm going to stick with for the foreseeable future.
wheelbase offsets:
ace af1 -- 3.03 in
indy hollows -- 3.18 in
venture lights -- 3.24 in
thunder -- 3.28
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@cbass801

[@jouhajohnny]

Welcome to the Venture gang 🫡

[@MichaelRelevant]

Venture Lows have a little bit longer, wheelbase and thunders, but venture highs have a little bit shorter wheelbase and thunders

[@swissblader8037]

I had the same feeling with the Thunders. They felt pretty weird for popping and they turned not good. I could not skate with them on my Santa Cruz-Board. But a couple of days later I skated another board of a friend with the Thunders (board had a wider nose than my board) and on this board they felt really good in every way. So, I think the Thunders are a little bit special. If you have the right board then they are fantastic. If not then they could be your worst nightmare. With the other trucks is that danger a little bit smaller because they create all a shorter wheelbase and the most boards have not a very long nose and tail.

[@piggytrombone]

in terms of ace. i just couldnt get used to em after a year. the previous setup i was accustomed to was an 8.5 fa with indy stage 11 149s. the 8.5 fa has a 14.25 wb. eventually i put the af1s on a polar 8.5 which has a 14.375 wb. threw on some risers to match the stg 11 height and some ace hard bushings on the back truck. pretty solid setup. af1s paired really well on an 8.5 limosine as well (14.40 wb)

[@cbass801]

I have wondered about a longer wheelbase for the aces never done it though. I don't know if I would ever get used to anything but a 14 unfortunately.

[@rosscauvel8481]

Aces can work with a deck with steeper kick. Feels more like Indys for pop.

[@TheGrekyy]

ACEs are really fun to ride and grind (I can't do crooks anyway so no problem with pinch ;)) + there is much hype on them right now :) From the other hand Ventures are really underrated - they look cool, they are very light, has many variatios (forged/cast baseplate with or without hollow kingpin/axle or both). You can ride them loose and they are still very stable and easy to pop. They have great grind. I love Venture V-lights. Only minus is the lack of stock bushings in the aftermarket. Good choice anyway! :)

[@daffyduckling6958]

Everybody complains about the bushing issue with Ventures but Indy bushings have the exact same specs as far as height and diameter go. Just stick some Indy or bones bushings in there and call it a day.

[@TheGrekyy]

@@daffyduckling6958 I don't complain much about this - I stick to Bones Medium even if they change geometry a bit and last a few month till it collappse. But it is nice to know you can buy exactly the same bushings if you like to stock ones. You can buy it for Indies, for ACEs and Thunders even with different durometers, so it would be great to have it also for Ventrures (at least in default hardness).

[@mrSPEEDCASKET]

Indys for life

[@sidwellsk8er]

I'm torn for years between Ventures and Independents for completely different reasons and the madness is unreal. Aces for curb skating and transition.

[@cbass801]

I'm pretty torn as well. I have to stick with something though

[@daffyduckling6958]

Aces make good boat anchors😄

[@frankrotthier4392]

Also, ACE AF1’s with their Hard bushings and kingpin nut flush is great! Stable with the same great turn

[@vincemallow9019]

My favorite truck rn is the af1 low with ace hard bushings

[@vincemallow9019]

Also the low has a significantly better pinch compared to the standard height, flip tricks also feel better

[@morganconklin8849]

Yup I went from classic 03 to ace af1 low 33. I enjoy their carvy turn but Irma’s not like too seesaw feeling like Iindy

[@AaronFelizmenio]

Tried a lot of trucks as well, and as much as I am having fun with Thunders - Ventures (Kaders cast) is where I'm at as well. It's fun and the stability really sold for me, especially at being a beginner at 34yo

[@BretCahill]

Your tricks did look good on the Ventures

[@jl4689]

Been going through a madness aswell! I’ve found a little hack to make the venture turn better though! Buy the venture loose conversion bushings (green set) and only use the loose top bushing. Keep the standard bottom bushing. Feels stable but turns excellent 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@jouhajohnny]

If you want them to feel even better get bones meds bottoms and use the top stock washer for the bottom (to have stock geometry) and use the bones washer on top with the loose trucks top bushing

[@DOODOOBUTT_]

Here’s another one i took from ace trucks because there has to be a reason the most turny truck does it. I run a soft bottom bushing and a hard top one. Stock ace bushings come in 86a and 91a so I went with the 92a and 98a doh dohs. Absolute game changer im a bigger guy at 200lbs and I don’t wheelbite even with the kingpin nut on the first thread.

[@jouhajohnny]

Ventures usually have even longer wheelbase than Thunders. You can feel that when setupping a board and trying to tighten the front nuts 🤣 Ventures with forged plate have the longest wheelbase of any truck and they still have nice amount of baseplate sticking out because the holes on the baseplate being so down but the actual truck is really forward still having a really long wheelbase.

[@B0NGERSON]

Thunders have been my go to for a while. A lot of it comes down to personal preference because they’re all solid choices really.

[@cbass801]

They really are, I've been thinking about swapping around again lmao!

[@B0NGERSON]

@@cbass801 If you ever switch back, try Bones medium bushings, thunder top washer, no bottom washer. The washers that come with the bushings make an awful clicking noise when you turn but that’s been my go to for a while now.

[@jackhoban8971]

From my experience: Aces AF1s are the most well built truck and are actually more stable than indy's if you tighten them up a hair. I use krux bottom bushings with ace hard top bushings but the stock top bushings are fine. Ventures are easily the most stable truck but have the least turning capabilities. Thunders are very similar to ventures and in my opinion slightly better with the right modifications. All of them are great trucks but I tend to like thunders for tech and flatground and aces for curbs and transition. It also depends a lot on what decks you like to skate. One last tip is that I highly recommend using the top washers that come with the krux bushings in your ventures and thunders. It improves depth of turn, the pinch, and it won't tear up your top bushings. Yes I have bad OCD with my trucks😂

[@cbass801]

So do I lately

[@castblanka8216]

The japanese skater Ginwoo skates Aces. Although if you watch his style closely you can tell he has em cranked down to oblivion. I also love Ace Af1s and dont really mess with super loose trucks because i enjoy flipping my board. The ez fix if you really "want to try to like Aces" is get some hard Af1 bushings. They are not actually hard, just more stable than the current stock bushing. My favorite set of trucks.

[@cbass801]

I feel like cranking them almost defeats the purpose idk hard bushings sound like a good idea

[@castblanka8216]

@@cbass801 forgot to mention the reason i do the hard bushings is so i dont have to crank em. Its just perfect right out the gate.

[@Seezy92]

Venture with Bones bushings 😈

[@jeffli480]

Totally agree with you saying Ventures are in between indy and thunder. Recently back on Ventures after a couple months on Indy, and would recommend trying them with the top bushing swapped out for a bones top bushing and flat washer. Had this bushing setup on indy's first and really liked it, so I tried it on ventures too. Keeps the center stability and rebound of the barrel bushing, but gives you a much deeper turn/lean when you want it.

[@itzEnJ]

Bones medium or hard bushing?

[@jeffli480]

@@itzEnJ been using mediums because the durometer is closer to the stock barrel bushing, but I will def give hards a try as well when I get the chance - Im guessing they would make the trucks feel tighter with more rebound/resistance

[@NukeEm-w2x]

​@@jeffli480hard are defo worth a go, I ordered medium bones and they sent hard by mistake, I was in a pinch so thought might as well give them a go, turned out to be a very happy mistake, I used the bottom conical bushing as well, no washer. Makes them carve much more like an indy while retaining all the great qualities that venture brings to the table.

[@NukeEm-w2x]

​​@@jeffli480but be aware using the bones bottom bushing will change the wheel base and geometry of venture slightly, I lost 1mm in true wheelbase and about the same in height. But they carve like a dream now so not fussed lol

[@jeffli480]

@@NukeEm-w2x I am not a fan of the conical bones bottom bushing - sure it carves, but I feel it tapers too quickly so it makes any truck feel noticeably more unstable at the center and I get a lot more micro wobbles when I crouch down to pop. Even the thunder conical has more of a wide barrel shape before the taper. The height also makes it so you need to pay attention to which washers to use or not to maintain geometry. I like to just keep the stock barrel bottom and swap out the top roadside for the bones, along with the flat washer. You get the more stable center and barrel bushing feel, but it still gets a deep turn and snappy rebound. That being said, I’m on aces now for quite a while and love it. Haven’t been riding bones bushings at all 😂.

[@imdurgesh9430]

Welcome to the venture family 🎉

[@agutie616]

Love my ventures amazing all around truck

[@mana_station]

Destructo trucks are also so good/nice. I love the kingpin clearence

[@AmputeeAdele]

This is just my kind of video 👍🤓❤ very interesting and love getting all technical with measurements n all, defo helps you get that perfect 👌 setup 😀👊🔥

[@cbass801]

Glad it was helpful!

[@adu3830]

Truck Madness is a bitch. And I don't know why but for some reason skaters will have a truck they like and talk shit about every other truck company lol. Even if they never tried anything else. I found any of the "big four" truck companies have redeeming qualities. I have a setup with each of the four on them. 8.6 chocolate/ with Ace af1 low 60- ace is by far the best turning truck on the and in my opinion, the funnest to ride. However I have noticed the Surfy nature of the trucks sometimes throw off my flip tricks. The tradeoff is worth it though IMO and they MAY be my favorite. 8.38 FA/ with Mariano 148 thunder team hollows- for me these have the best pinch out of any brand, I am able to hold crooked grinds longer with thunders than any other trucks. They also have a decent turn to them as well. 8.25 Clutch Distribution blank/ with Indy 149 standards- these trucks are above average to really good at everything, ok pinch, really good turning, nice stability IMO Indy is the super utility player of the truck industry. They are a Jack of all trades but nothing really stands out. They are a very solid all around truck. (Although I do not see myself buying from them anytime soon, maybe when stage XII is released I broke a pair of stage 4s and a pair of stage Xl hollows in a 6th month spand. Quality is slipping!) 8.25 DGK/ Gilbert Crockett Venture 5.6 standard - I love the stability of these trucks, they don't turn the best but the stability I feel on these outweighs the negative. I also get more pop on venture highs then any other tuck. I'm glad I found your channel man, I love seeing this skate nerdery shit. Glad you found your go to truck... For the time being.

[@DOODOOBUTT_]

For your venture setup I highly recommend running a soft bottom bushing and hard top one. Stock ace bushings are 86a and 91a. Figured there’s a reason why ace does it so I had to try and my ventures feel somewhat surfy now but still have that venture stability.

[@32srt32]

i ride aces on boards with bigger wheelbases but not on my 14"wb decks. if i cant find a 14" wb then aces are my go to.

[@stoneisland1006]

I think flatter concave and wheelbase of 14.38 or whatever it is usually between 14.25 - 14.5 could make the ace af1’s feel bit more stable. I just put them on a santa cruz 8.27” deck with 14.2 wheelbase. Just to experiment a little. Previously had them on 8.5” hockey board. But yeah I feel the same as you that I really want to like them. But something is wrong with the setup . Just have not found out what it actually is.

[@cbass801]

Yeah I'm still gonna try a couple things maybe I can make them feel good!

[@stoneisland1006]

@@cbass801 nice! Let us know if you figure it out 👍

[@youtubename3838]

Thunders turn fantastic and are low af, but that stupid kingpin bolt is so freaking high it makes feebles and smiths feel terrible. I always shear off the bolt within a couple months. Krux are probably the best feeling trucks but have failed me on big drops. NAVIGATOR!!!! Most underrated trucks in the game! Axles are pinned so they never slip, turn amazing, reverse kingpin is low af and out of the way. Turn very nice. And even though the hangar looks like it would be weak, ive taken these things down some wild drops and they dont even flinch. Also, i find they dont get stuck in a turn like some others do

[@cbass801]

Inverted for Thunder would be very cool.

[@youtubename3838]

@@cbass801 i’d buy tf out of them. i love how they feel but that stupid kingpin ruins it for me. ngl tho, it does help hold 5050s by assisting lock to one side or the other

[@cbass801]

@youtubename3838 the more you skate them the more ground in the kingpin get takes a while tho. Wish they would make an inverted thunder.

[@jordangutierrez9707]

Tensor mag light all terrain is the move tho

[@b.rhodes1342]

Don't know what wheelbase your on or what deck size you prefer. If you're on a 14 or 14.25 maybe look at something like a Griffin Gass deck which has a 14.43 wb. They make an 8.375 (shape model G030) and an 8.5 (shape model G053). Both have the 14.43 wb. I love my Venture Hollows and that's what I'm running on the G030 deck, but wish it had a slightly better turning radius.

[@cbass801]

14.43 paired with the aces might make me want to skate them. I'll have to give that a try!

[@b.rhodes1342]

@cbass801 As an aside, the recent "Griffin Gass' Orca Card" video is the best skate video part I've seen in the last year. The skating, music, editing, the genuine Seattle vibe and genuine skate vibes when skating with friends. It's just a great video. Cheers.

[@ho2673]

144 Indy Hollows 8.0 Polar 54mm spitfire G3 bronsons

[@ho2673]

Indy gang !!!!!

[@robertobells]

Good video! What table do you use to do the tests? Its dimensions, Wheelbase... It would be interesting to know. Thank you

[@cbass801]

at the time I was skating a 14.25 wb, 8.25 board the nose and tail length would vary from board to board. Since then I've dropped the wb to 14!

[@BitesTheDusto]

Im going through the same thing with indy ace and thunder

[@Sp00nslegacy]

i have short legs so maybe the shorter wheelbase would help

[@cbass801]

I've always thought it did!

[@frankrotthier4392]

Not a good skater here but you are using the Santa Cruz Mc Coy Twin, right? That deck already has a very narrow wheelbase (14.22”) and my experience was that it’s not a great match with the ACE’s (which also have a very narrow wheelbase) ACE’s with a 14.375-14.5” wheelbase deck feel a lot better to me.

[@cbass801]

14.25 is pretty standard for anywhere from 8 to 8.3 it was interesting because I always preferred a shorter deck wheelbase like a 14 with thunders and indys. Didn't translate by shorting up the true wheelbase with the aces. All trial and error I suppose, I was thinking about getting like a baker 8.5 with a longer wheelbase and see if that changes anything with the aces.

[@chazotron600]

​​@@cbass801f1s with ace hard bushings on a 14"3/8 wheelbase seems to be the set up that feels and works the best for all around skating for me. Oh yeah, keep the kingpin nut flush for at least a couple sessions and get used to it and you probably won't have to tighten the hard bushings.

[@Dfort_]

Brother what did you do with all the other trucks? You held onto them ?

[@cbass801]

I do random tests with them periodically see if my preferences change.

[@diplenski]

I like ventures at least as much as Indy

[@davidleeashkenazi8992]

Nasa called they want their rockets back

[@levro7367]

Can i still shred transition with ventures

[@cbass801]

I would say yes because it's all about getting used to it. But I wpuld personally go with aces or indys if I rode lots of transition. If you like carving and turning go with indys or aces if your after a bit more stability go with thunders or ventures. You can always skate those ones a bit looser to help out as well!

[@rubberfooty]

I measured the Venture 5.2 low and the Thunder 147. Venture has a wider wheelbase than Thunder

[@cbass801]

I've measured them both a handful of times, and I would get the same outcome until I started averaging each side. But the measurements I got were super close anyway. So close that even just having the trucks a bit looser on ventures could skew the result. I measured a 17.28 on thunder and 17.24 on venture with 14 wb deck. Really close that margin of error could definitely be a factor as well. Really, where the difference lies with these 2 is the baseplate imo.

[@cbass801]

It's also kind of crazy how the difference from ace to thunder is only 1/4 inch. But the way that changes how it feels is so immense.

[@Rocks77-n4w]

Are independent and ace ..the same size height?????

[@cbass801]

Indys and aces based on my measurements differ on wheelbase by 1/10 of an inch with indys being wider slightly. As for height I've never measured the height. But while skating I never noticed a major difference in pop or timing.

[@RicardoGonzalez-bx6zd]

what does "the pinch" means in skateboarding?

[@cbass801]

Were you put all of your pressure over 1 spot causing the trucks to flex and giving you a very stable and balanced place to be while sliding or grinding!

[@RicardoGonzalez-bx6zd]

@@cbass801 Thanks a lot🙏

[@puma0210]

venture high or low?

[@cbass801]

Venture highs

[@zhenyangshen5433]

what is the most popolar in usa?im chinese.

[@cbass801]

I'd say probably indys

[@zhenyangshen5433]

@@cbass801 in china also😂

[@victor.skater]

I tried all these trucks last year...Then a friend gave me a pair of mini logos and now I'm cursed and can't skate anything else hahaha

[@bobgnarlyxl]

What do you like about them?

[@victor.skater]

@@bobgnarlyxl They are very light, low, have the same wheelbase as an indy, a really nice turn and they are cheap!

[@sleepydog4205]

i think ass trucks are overhyped

[@cbass801]

Maybe a bit lol!

[@GofUrselv]

Thunder have been the best trucks for like 15+ years if you skate skate. Venture is rad tho def 2nd place. Indy’s are cool if you like looking sketchy at all times. Some people like that.

[@truthhurts7637]

I've rode all of those and Slappy trucks beat them.