After Never Playing WoW, He Tried EVERY Version (ft. J1mmy & Xaryu) - Bajheera Reacts

[@Sargaxiist2022]

J1mmy is a treasure to the osrs community. He always has quality content and we adore him.

[@xavierlehew6746]

Definitely one of the goats.

[@garethhhhh]

Classic wow and OSRS are the gamers' version of a midlife crisis.

[@ovi-jade]

i think the main reason Jimmy didn't like wow's gearing system is because RuneScape gear often has unique effects & niche usages as opposed to direct upgrades. when new armor is released it's usually a sidegrade & not the new bis

[@jimx45]

That would be what Classic was like

[@DevinGroves93]

I’m new, about a month in. I want to get to endgame. I also want to experience and enjoy the story! I rushed to end game. Didn’t really get any useful lore into. Jumped straight into dragonflight. Hit 70 and stalled… there is so much shit going. Cities are packed with 1000s of people. All the world events I end up doing solo. I’m watching videos on what to do, I’m just lost. I want to play with people, I want to gear up and learn dps. But it all feels pointless because I don’t know how to get to bis other than spamming dungeons all day everyday l.

[@webnplay]

Im still hoping they decide to rebuild WoW Classic, using a complete new graphics engine, add voice-overs like in retail, add in between cinematics, remove wow tokens and keep the slow leveling process of classic. They should tell the story in more depth and for people to find out in the world. That way everybody can re-exeperience the story but with up to date graphics and the quality of life we are used to in 2024. Probably will never happen but hey, I can dream right.

[@天使霜]

39:40 fantastic question, because even if you could make 2 ideal leveling situations, how do you make the players who pick the "slower" leveling experience feel like they didn't pick the "inferior" leveling experience. maybe they could gate it like players not being able to make DK's until they had a character at least lvl 58 (basically 1 character who has completed the original leveling experience). but idk.

[@ThatFoxGirl]

53:59 now I want to see you react to high end PvE/PvP in old school runescape, because as someone who plays it, but doesn’t do high end content, oh my god those people are crazy. They do like full gear swaps in single game tics, and eat food on specific frames to cheat death, it’s nuts.

[@vibujicilemi]

"WOW is 20 years and how do you make it make sense?" Well, Runescape is even older with lots of content and they manage it pretty well. It's not an "unsolvable problem"

[@gianlukaandrade1128]

They need to rework old maps with a certain frequency, like one or two old maps per patch or .5 patch. It's adding new content for those who want to make an alt or a new player, and making a more nerfed xp progression. It's an opportunity to "update" the map's history, make the old world more interesting without spending tons of resources reworking everything at once. They can also receive frequent feedback on new additions. For example: patch 11.0.5 Elwynn Rework & Durotar‎ Rework. patch 11.1 two other maps. And if the feature is well accepted, they can increase the frequency. I know that Ion has already commented on recreating the old maps, and of course adding the bronze flight for those who want to visit the old version. In my opinion, it's a bad idea to make an expansion the starting point for a new player.

[@Raika63]

I think if you have a max level classic character you should be able to boost a character in retail to the current expansion starting level and have it spoon feed you abilities like a hero class starting area does.

[@retributionangel5078]

1:10:00 but you dont find out later. You have to play wc3 to find out.

[@Zemilia22]

The solution to making the game slower for those who want it is allow people to opt in/out of a experience boost similar to the way warmode works. You could enable it or disable it at any point and the % increase is small unless you have a character that is a higher lvl then the one your on. It means they can fine tune the new player experience while retaining an even slower option for those who want it. It also allows newer players to reroll if they pick a class they thought was cool and 40 lvls down the line get bored of it or simply decide its not for them, it respects the persons time and gives them an option to "catch up" to their first character or keep the slower lvling pace.

[@TecTitan]

I actually am unironically happy i saw Xay's react and then yours makes me feel like I'm on the second movie of a cinematic universe

[@Endolas1]

The thing with those videos about Exiles reach, where they are supprised that leveling is that fast is. no one mentioned that there is a 50% exp buff up on the time of recording.

[@lilamee7447]

What could be cool is like an On rails shooter style tutorial intro that runs through the main story of the game. Have each class have a slightly unique perspective on the story and give the players a chance to learn and get used to the class ( to avoid the overwhelm and burnout from getting rushed to max level without really understanding skill mechanics)

[@lilamee7447]

Of course make it optional and offer a skip to some

[@thaizeeee6624]

as weird as these reaction to reaction videos are, i somehow really enjoy them. Its like a podcast. hope you do too while recording them

[@tonyolo4591]

all of my movement keys were mouse-bound(6-8 button mouse) , and the whole left side of my keyboard was dedicated to the spells/macros used in combat. the right side of my keyboard was used on menu-toggles, and spells used outside of combat/buffs

[@OrisMaxy]

someone needs to watch your reaction, reacting to Jimmy and Xaryu

[@jackalo34]

Saying to keep doin stuff to get out of the horrid feelin lvl scaling gives sounds all well and good but if i dont like the stuff im doin im gonna stop so i wont get to end game.

[@Karvega11]

Which server do you play on Bajheera?

[@cenciqt6045]

your idea of having a streamlined experience that sort of "chromie scenarios" through important moments is what newp layers should be doing to level 100% that sounds awesome. similar to FFXIV but not as long, like 10% of the time lol

[@cenciqt6045]

I'm trying to get my gf into the game, shes interested, and I dont think classic is for her because she loves collecting and Im a little undecesive on how exactly to start her off. I think were gonna play MOP remix so she doesn't miss out on all the mogs and mounts and story wise thats now amazing ofc

[@jackalo34]

I agree. You either pay for the skip bc youre lazy or go through it like youre supposed to a a new player. If its an alt, you can always get boosted or just spam dungeons or w.e

[@Tr3nix]

Baj, can I ask a huge favour? I'm new to Arms and play a lot of bg's. When I end up in a 1v1 scenario I either do really well against some classes/specs or get absolutely demolished. Can you do a video on how to handle each class? Things to look out for, when to use CDs, etc. That'd be so damn cool.

[@iv9ry]

I agree with you, I do think that they should just have a main chain questline through the expansions highlighting the main things in terms of lore. Maybe take down the leveling speeds from 100% to 75% so you can still feel like you're earning the loot and it's not as quickly replaced on top of actually being able to wrap up the story (or even just a selection of what experience you prefer) if you want to get to end game content quickly you choose what we have now, if you prefer the grind then you select the story line questing.

[@albertmassingo4249]

They give us a character boost every expansion. Let them do that. Make a server or servers where you can play every expansion classic style. Let the player that's going to play pick which way they want to level. You can create one to play the long way. And make a character to play with your friends who already play the other way

[@scribbzzz]

Good reaction, hint of copium but interesting to hear different sides if the same coin!

[@albertmassingo4249]

I have another idea. Kind of like you said, but a different kind of starting area where you have a lower person taking you through the highlights of each expansion.

[@thepimpyoda]

Coming from Rs3 and osrs to wow classic and I've tried retail. Retail is a bit overwhelming and classic is a bit Barron. As for keybinds I turn with the mouse auto run mb3 and 1-6 , q-t, a-h with a few alt buttons are spells and have zxc be side and reverse movement. Tab is always target.

[@tiagofernandes8989]

ok, the Stormwind part gave me goosebumps

[@Devildoginvu]

In the war within when they switch the leveling area to dragonflight, they can add a ketchup cinematic for the storyline so far to bring new players up to speed on the general lore.

[@xRedacted_]

Were getring a cinematic sponsored by Heinz 57? Just playing lol

[@GrelFromHell]

Bajheera what server are you on?

[@James-kv3ll]

Not enough people talk about how Blizzard has made leveling much faster when they could make more MONEY with the boost by making leveling as slow as Classic.

[@xRedacted_]

The thing about leveling in retail is yeah its faster but its lonely. The maps are empty even if you level the streamlined way. It doesnt feel like an mmo. Layers killed the big awesome mmo feel.

[@morgisGrS]

Started week before cata , best experience ever😂

[@tekamer6566]

The main reason newbies dont see new players is because FOR SOME REASON, BLIZZARD FUNNELS ALL NEW PLAYERS TO EMPTY SERVERS. When I level on Twisting Nether EU I always see players in the most random locations leveling and doing stuff. Almost never is it empty even at non peak hours. But when I log on to "NEW PLAYER SERVERS" its empty as hell.

[@silv3rlinE]

i'm 37 and my start was with my brother's playing the alpha and beta on their acount wile if been saving for my own pc doing a paper route played like a madman leveling them up at launch for them and after having my own acount 5 euro internet and 15 euro for the game pass had to run to the shop to get the card every month.

[@Azari_D]

Dude, I love the reaction to reaction lmfao we need somebody to react to your video now.

[@Unoso95]

I did not have that experience from classic xar is talking about. Ive had more social experiences from my m+ dungeons than the entirety of my SOD experience. Let alone getting gatekeeped from doing raids

[@natnorth]

I'm late to this party but... Keep it the same as it is and for new players add in a "Chromie fly-by" where you just jump on the dragon and fly through time, having the story and big events narrated to you as you literally fly over the relevant continents. Bit like an in game "The history of wow lore video". This could be offered to all new characters but skippable by expansion or skippable for all of it (not slowing down alt levelling). At one point there was also a class trial feature that let you try out a class (maybe it comes with buying a boost? Haven't played retail much). How about adding that as part of the tutorial? My 2 cents... Come on Bajheera, make it happen bro! (Ofc I know you can't and this is just a comment on KZbin...)

[@cenciqt6045]

idk if its because I play in war mode but I actually dont see anyone in dragonflight outside of valdrakken and the free for all areas. Its pretty desolate

[@FeralKobold]

I agree with some stuff with xar like I think the level scaling in low zones is one of the worst decisions blizz has ever made. But man he is just so wrong about the retail social aspect. I talk to someone new, make new friends and stuff it feels like every time I log on. There is always something going on and if you aren't talking to anyone that's a you problem. At least at max level. But even then like if you're on a populated server, you're going to be seeing people leveling in BFA with you, you're gonna be doing stuff around other people in DF while leveling. You literally just have to walk up and say hi like ???. It was strange hearing that complaint from Jimmy given he has an entire series in OSRS doing exactly that. Plus half the time there's gonna be people like me who practically adopt Randoms lmao. Literally the "you're my friend now" meme. Tldr playing retail WoW and walking away thinking it isn't social is like going to a house party and standing in the corner of the room all night sipping your beer and when someone asks you how it went after you're like "ah it was okay, didn't really talk to anyone" like sure that's true but that's a choice you made

[@VIP-Exciusive]

They need to remove sharding first and foremost. Empty worlds doesn’t feel hood narrows the realms remove sharding and it’ll be more enjoyable. People having to wait to get into the game on a launch is not as detrimental as seeing nobody in the world as you level

[@djb1021993]

I would love main story quests of World of Warcrafts lore with new cinematics of ragnoros, cthun illidan and the lich king etc. Alos the constant in your face auto accept and forced npc quest need to go, they are very annoying ( the talking heads that just tell you to go do this out of nowhere and npcs that just spawn on you with a quest marker).

[@kylesmith987]

I think the solution to whether someone wants a new player experience or not lies in the boost. The problem with this is that every company feels like they are required to sell these types of services for real life money and it ruins their potential to integrate services like into the game base line as a way to give players agency over the experience they want. You could have a slow and methodical leveling experience for the people that want while also simultaneously letting people boost to max level or near max level and get right into the content that those individuals want. The last MMO i can think of that even attempted a free character boost system was Lost Ark and I'm not even saying it was well done but they did have a method that allowed you to boost new characters for in game gold up to roughly around the progress of where your main is at least storyline/level wise, the gear progression side of things was mostly separate from this with the exception of the starter gear they gave you for the level range you boosted to.

[@vaylox09]

The main reason wow has such a bad new player experience is there's so many expansions. Prior to chrome time you'd do retail til 58 tbc to 68 wotlk to 78 cata etc. So it took forever just to get to current gameplay. Classic wow was the whole game that's it nothing more nothing less. I do remember boosting ppl onmy mage several hours a day for gold in classic. Even the journey game ppl wanted to hit max level asap. There is no correct way it's all upto the player. Then there's the level boost which is the real reason new players aren't attracted to the game.

[@shenananagins9721]

If you get 10 levels from max level and don't have a clue whats going on with the story, I think its a dumb to say "you just gotta play more". That anyone could think this is a error on the players part and not on the games part is odd.

[@mabonhunts]

Why not have both a way for alts to go fast when leveling AND have a process for new players as well it doesn't have to be one or the other. Just make the new player experience is mandatory for new players first char. and then offer a skip for alts. I do agree BFA is not the right place to dump a new player, they should start from the beginning and experience the story.

[@shiro2400]

Imo, the reason why I would want them to slow down leveling is so that I dont see max level players doing shit dps/hps lol. Some new players have zero idea how to play their class and just jumps into end content and do trash which is fine but that's the main issue, imo. These new players are rushed to end game and they have no idea how to even play their class. In classic, u play slowly yes but by the time u hit max level, u are competent to a extent. U know what ur abilities do and ur rotation a bit. But retail? Right now, u could literally hit lvl 10 and just queue dungeons til max level and skip ALL questing lol. And while that's great for Alts, it's terrible for new players that will miss out on optional (sometimes required) content locked behind reputation. cough cough profession recipes cough cough. They also miss out on DYING and in general forcing them to get better, essentially. But yeah, it's definitely hard to balance the pacing in retail because there's just TOO much content, 10 expansion worth, to try and squeeze it all together for new players. Some things runescape did well were setting DEFINITE points for certain POIs. I'm not too sure about RS3 but for OSRS, there's only 1 GE. Forcing everyone to gather up at the same area to trade. I personally miss Pre GE days where people were at Falador/varrock fountain spamming text to sell items lol. Because it felt so organic to converse with other players and maybe do a item trade instead of straight gp trades. On ending note: i feel like they need to somehow make it feel organic again, for new and old players. Maybe fix layers and reducing servers/server merges. Idk why they have so many servers lol.

[@miroslavkonecny8527]

Pandaemonium is endwalker raid from FFxiv . Did WOW lost ideas to create their own?

[@Tr3nix]

MOAR reacts ❤️

[@jimx45]

That hand on keyboard and mouse tutorial looked so dated like they had it in the closet for original 2006 Vanilla WoW but even then they were too embarrassed to show it to players fearing it would offend them on how stupid they treat their players. The fact that they're showing it now is showing how much they disrespect new players. They put it out like look you stupid SOBs this is how you play don't make me repeat myself.

[@canes4ever162]

J1mmy has some other mmo videos you can react to

[@backtrakk2121]

Gonna keep saying until it sets in, if Jimmy had leveld with the same people he played with it Wrath Classic it would of been a completely different experience...retail is getting hate for him CHOOSING not to play with others

[@James-kv3ll]

Ikr. He didn’t give both the same level of care

[@blackwolves6925]

For the story it sounds like to me the game needs a God of War linear path

[@paulvincent3576]

Nintendo Behavior is wild! :D

[@scolamiero28]

Baj i love you dude , but your like who cares about lore , and the versions not being confusing thing is so out of touch with how it really is man , if you havent made a new character in a while i suggest doing that , it wont be the same as a new player you have almost 20 yrs exp , but i can guarentee youll be like ok dude wayyyyy to much going on in the start of the game , the barrier to entry for wow is insanely high in comparison to literally every single other mmorpg out to date. youve got diff versions, addons , races and classes , you have devs who dont know what meshing diff timelines means , you can so easily mess up your time grabbing the wrong quest in stormwind because there are 3 diff timelines in sw going on at once. love these reacts just the standoffish attitude towards legitimate criticism that if fixed would make the game we both love better sucks to see man

[@NemisisRecords]

Well you lied. Name me ONE mmorpg out right now that a new player can jump into without being confused about some element of the game. Ruling out GW2/FFXIV/BDO/Lost Ark/ESO/SWTOR/Classic WoW/Maplestory/Runescape Since every single one of those games has this same issue. Tell me one that doesn't. You guys love saying this same point, but NEVER have a valid example of a game that isn't confusing for first time players.

[@scolamiero28]

@@NemisisRecords have you played any of those recently? because ff14 is streeamlined you cant mess that up , BDO has been reworked just played it recently actually very easy to start a new character , Lost Ark is beyond easy as it currently just boosts you directly into endgame , the problem with that game lies within the power systems and p2w , i mean its kinda clear just from those you havent played anmy of them recently. trying to help your game bud read the whole comment and put your pitch fork down a lot of devs are realizing these problems and either A giving boosts for free , or B reworking the entire questing experience , like new world , lost ark removing t2 , and BDO making diff lines.

[@NemisisRecords]

​@@scolamiero28Yeah you're just lying to yourself. BDO has 800 systems and nuances that a new player will NEVER understand withou hundreds of hours. A player with thousands. Lost Ark has so many systems a newplayer auto boosted to max will NEVER understand what to do. A player with hundreds of hours. FF is "streamlined" yet it has the same amount of systems, menus, xpacs and requirements to get to endgame as WoW. Stop the lies bruh. You aren't the only person whi plays games, and you definitely don't actually know what you're talking about if you think WoW is the most complicated game of all the current MMOs. There's a reason it's continually the biggest MMO on the market. FF died down the second the streamer hype did. There's a reason for that too. As much as you might wanna deny it.

[@scolamiero28]

@NemisisRecords hey bro , are you dense? This is a beginner experience discussion not an endgame comprehension discussion. Your comprehension skills are clearly lacking though. Stay emotional man

[@andreass6275]

Best path imo (having done the noob levelling over the past 4 weeks) would be: buy boost to 60 (or get with subscription), then take your time and enjoy dragonflight, then end game. Forget the pre-dragonflight areas for now as too confusing. BFA was cool but you only start to get into it when you ding 60. I wish I would have just started at 60 as I enjoyed DF campaign so much more and it’s easy to follow then to the end

[@albertmassingo4249]

I hate the new game hearing system, get these to upgrade your gear, now I got to upgrade the things that I got to get my gear rinse and repeat 10 to 50 times. Just give me better gear. It's all about the loot. I don't want to upgrade my gear I want new gear. But at my job I get paid. When I buy this game I'm paying once a month. Be honest who make up the bulk of the playerbase. Those who love the endgame are the smaller portion. So why is most of the game geared toward the 1%. Could it because the devs are part of the 1% hmmm.

[@SurvivingComics]

Covelence getting triple their money!

[@James-kv3ll]

No idea how Baj doesn’t call someone who says something dumb a fcking idiot. He’s so polite. Godlike people skills.

[@James-kv3ll]

All I heard was “Retail bad” Which considering Jimmy plays OSRS it makes sense but that doesn’t make it any less shallow

[@bluebeem6033]

Game is so dead ppl reacting to New Player Videos like its something absoulutly crazy😂

[@msf47]

Nintendo behaviour lol

[@jmbl3572]

Lol why you so got damn defensive over this game baj. Its all over the place man ive tried to get like 20 people to play with me over the years. Everyone logs in quests for 2 hours and says this is stupid meahhh i quit. Its really not easy to get into not everyone can have the mental fortitude of a monk like you do most people dont look at it as an achievement to waste 100 hours playing a video game they dont understand

[@NemisisRecords]

If 20 people YOU invited specifically to play with you, quit in 2 hours because its "stupid", don't you think that means you're making shitty suggestions to people who would never play the game in the first place? Or god forbid, you as the person hosting their time in WoW isn't making it fun? You're inviting people to play, but don't even help them when they're confused? This is all a you problem 😂 This game has infinite tutorials the second a new player logs in. This game doesn't require any "mental fortitude" it takes someone who actually wants to play the game. Just like I'm not gonna put in 8000 hours on Uno. Does that mean Uno is a bad game that isn't easy to understand? No! It just means I don't care to put the time in or alternatively, just don't want to play it.

[@jmbl3572]

@NemisisRecords you are being so purposely ignorant. I spent 2 months guiding my 23 year old brother through the game just so he could reroll every time he hit max because his character immediately felt weak. I tried to convince him it's no big deal just watch some gearing guides. He watched about 20 youtube videos and came back ready to gear up. We then spent a week doing 2s arenas and bgs he geared all the way up and they released a patch that nerfed his dk into the ground. I could never convince him to play again and still to this day he blames me for wasting months of his life. And this is someone who is a straight up poop sock gamer the kid has like 5000 hours in counter strike. This is not the only example I can give I have many more.

[@James-kv3ll]

I think this is the least Defensive he’s ever been wtf are you smoking. The dude criticized the modern game because he didn’t talk to anyone while leveling. But you can do the exact same thing in Classic. I have, multiple times. Plus he chose to play through Classic with friends which automatically makes the game feel better. So if I was Baj I would have called Jimmy a fcking idiot who doesn’t know how to make an unbiased balanced review. But he didn’t. He said that the devs should listen to this guy.

[@terrier_eft]

Remove dungeon finder is gonna fix all these problems

[@dmorfeus3910]

> Dude, you react to a dude reacting ...so, so lazy.. stinky too.. Ja.. oups, Bahjeera ?! Anywho, getting up in the years, huh ? >

[@James-kv3ll]

Criticizing the modern game because you don’t talk to anyone while leveling is dumb because you can easily do the same in Classic wtf

[@grimsauce7825]

You can talk to nobody in classic but it’s much less likely. If you’re new you will need to communicate with people to complete group quests, let alone attempt to form a group for dungeons.

[@James-kv3ll]

@@grimsauce7825 You don’t need to complete those quests tho. I’ve leveled to max 5 times in Classic and once in hardcore. Just skip them. There has never been a time in wow’s history where you had to or even felt motivated to by the game to group you and socialize. As for dungeons you still have to communicate in the modern game but not for Normal dungeons, only for Mythic or higher. The group finder tool is just a faster version of standing in stormwind asking for a group, and it’s something most people asked for. We’re also overlooking how Jimmy chose to level through Classic with friends. Which makes the experience better. But didn’t do the same for the modern game.

[@James-kv3ll]

If I kill a demigod and the king of dragons and I’m not called a hero I’m gonna burn a village to the ground. Such a stupid argument. You can’t stay “just an adventurer” forever. That doesn’t make sense. You’re technically not even an adventurer. You’re literally a soldier for your faction. Hence “recruit” at the start.