Why We Might Not Get Another Good MMO (ft. Asmongold & J1mmy) | Bajheera Reacts

[@Blackbaldrik]

41:19 To paraphrase J1mmy's react to Asmon's react: Nobody plays OSRS because of nostalgia anymore. We have years and years of fresh content and entire new lands that weren't in the original game. The only people who look at RuneScape with nostalgia are the people who played it for a little while like 15-years ago and never played again, looking at it from the outside and remembering back to that time. Just nostalgia will not ever carry a game.

[@Blackbaldrik]

Asmon's take that graphics are somehow paramount to a game's success feels very out of touch in an era where very few people are impressed by that anymore and so many of the biggest new games are made in retro styles with intentionally limited visuals. OSRS is massively successful compared to its considerably more visually impressive counterpart RS3. Tons of people enjoy "bad" visuals.

[@goychad]

I love this meta. This is the third time I'm watching J1mmy's video XD

[@TheeDeci]

Asmond is surprise surprise being a little dramatic by calling these MMOs pieces of shit. But I do think he has a point with them not being good. Like some of the issues with these games are glaringly obvious and no one can tell you why they aren't being fixed. New world is a prime example, I loved that game but devs just did not care to fix the issues in it, so it died.

[@asdfkgkspr284]

He wasn’t talking about new world then, it was lotro, wurm, older ones with living (if small) communities

[@xibbas7055]

BDO is the only MMO that ive had any extended interest in other than WoW. Superb combat, solo q gear equalized 3v3 arena and decent large scale PvP. Definitely lacks on group PvE content tho. I would definitely suggest you give it try if you haven't recently, much improved since it came out originally. The age of the "all in one" MMO is over. Making a game that does all forms of combat, story, class design, PvE, PvP and life skills masterfully along with having some unique aspects is a monolithic feat. I think we are moving to splitting the community into separate games that do what each individual wants. Some prefer tab target, others prefer action combat, some people want to have to do 0 PvE to PvP and vice versa.

[@andrecardoso6941]

Didn't know BDO had all that.

[@MrCarlWax]

@@andrecardoso6941 BDO is absolutely massive in its "lifeskills". It also got its own music creator in it with instruments you can craft and make your own band

[@stonehallow]

You didn't mention the gearing system at all.

[@Anima18911]

Or we shouldn't settle for that.

[@seanpaterson6592]

i still go back to PSOBB its probably one of my most common mmos that i get a itch to return to for a while

[@Weslicus]

1:28:48 Thats how you get aug evoker.

[@steel_va]

Phantasy star Online. What a good time. I still hop on it from time to time. Kinda wish they put more love into NGS.

[@Zetherior]

1:23:20 Audience and Playerbase are not the same thing.. The argument is for success of the game, not the content creator. btw.. if you say Playerbase and Audience are corelated, then viewership for a game wouldn't change based on who's streaming/uploading it.

[@connergoldberg]

If you ever want to get into old school runescape for a content creation run. Wait for them to release Leagues 5. The xp rates and buffs make it more suitable for content creation (watch some videos from the previous league from other creators like Solomission). And just use a guide for starting out leagues to get up to speed so you don't end up wasting time trying to figure out the early game.

[@bobbylong5664]

There should be "some" solo content, but grouping and talking to others is the whole point of an mmo. Imo

[@Xero_Kaiser]

Yeah, but it's not the 90's anymore. There's a million easier, cheaper ways to talk to other people on the internet now. Online interaction, in and of itself, just isn't going to be a draw for people these days.

[@bobbylong5664]

Smh

[@ThumpahFPV]

Reason why Vanilla was perfect is lack of knowledge, you had thottbot and a hope every time you searched for stuff. There was an element of exploration that is lost as things get figured out and published within hours of release. You can't keep up churning content at a reliable pace, the format is outdated.

[@Xero_Kaiser]

If we're being honest, a lot of MMOs back then...yes, even WoW, got away with a lot of mediocre or outright shitty gameplay because of the novelty of playing online. Without that novelty doing the heavy lifting, the gameplay of most MMOs just doesn't hold up on it's own. So, no, we'll never get another MMO blowing up the way WoW did in 2004. Even WoW can't recreate WoW's success. It was just the right game that came out at just the right point in time and served as the introduction to MMOs or online gaming as a whole for a lot of people. There's no recreating that.

[@Blackbaldrik]

I'm sorry, but quests that are, "Kill 15 Demons", is not good game design. It's busywork for no reason. However, quests that are, "Go do a thing that seems important, will permanently change something, and doing it will _involve_ killing 15 Demons", is good game design.

[@raymondandsweetheart7150]

The problem with wow is LFG. The reason we need LFG is because blizzard refuse to merge servers for the longest time. My friend moved to tich in wrath and got glad because he had hundreds of people to play while we only had a handful. He swap to sargeras in mopd and he raided like crazy. Blizzard would say it's about 50% 50% horde and alliance. Unfortunately at a server lv my server was 50/50 after cata it was 20/80 and now 5/95. my server needs lfg but if we had players we wouldn't need it.

[@zart3k]

There are games that I really like. Even more than WoW. Like, for example, “Aion” and “Blade and Soul”. The reason why I quit is simple, this in-game store has become so over the top that I quit.

[@olfan92]

Would be fun to see Baj in OSRS 😅

[@fightfan1330]

Stop giving Asmond the has been any attention, all this punk does is cry about WoW while it pays his bills

[@TheGraveyarder]

i really like the big giga crowded mmos but this industry doesnt want to invest in that.. the small groups/big communities are just the most economical way modern mmos are headed.

[@SurvivingComics]

03:28 Fallout 76 has that recipe. The finished dish isn't the best tasting though.

[@jimx45]

The only generation of true MMORPG players were the ones that started at Classic WoW and Old Runescape for real. It started there and it dies at the latest WoW Classic return. Sure there was also some good MMORPGs in between there as well. Champions Online I would say was the ultimate one idea wise but it's population wasn't the highest.

[@mikeylanning7046]

I want a game like WoW that is military sci-fi like Tabula Rasa was, but not like how SWTOR is, SWTOR was fun but the art style really just kills it for me.

[@scolamiero28]

1 min in , cant agree more. although it doesnt give me the feeling it did when i first saw the giant world, no game will ever do that again. for that wow will always be my favorite game whether im playing it or not

[@WavefrontProductions]

Ill answer before watching the video: GAME COMMUNITY FRAGMENTATION and novelty.

[@Zetherior]

RIP RMT.. KEKW

[@kylesmith987]

The idea that WoW doesn't make enough money from its subscriptions alone is bullshit IMO. If those sub numbers from the Bellular video are even remotely accurate then 7-8million people paying 15 dollars a month you are looking around 100 mil+ a month. We are talking about a game making 1 bil a year on subs alone. This is absolutely enough money to pay for all the development and operating costs and still turn a decent profit. We are also not even mentioning the box price of each expansion once every 2 years to sustain it. WoW does not need any form of microtransaction in the game at all to sustain itself and even turn a profit. The problem is obviously corporate greed and share holders demanding a larger return on investment every quarter forcing devs to implement alternate ways to monetize their game to suck every single penny they possibly can from the game even if it comes at the cost of making an already successful/profitable game worse.

[@jagotakamatsu9658]

I feel like Asmongolds success is because of how negative he is and so quick to pass negative judgement on a game.

[@richardkim3652]

Asmon is 100% right about hardcore. I consume hardcore OSRS videos on youtube but I will NEVER play hardcore because it's just too stressful and I'm a casual player. Hardcore WoW was popping off at first because it was fun to WATCH people die but NOT play it for the casual mainstream audience. That's the difference.

[@SheewdoodleFB]

1:18:07 HC wow sucked so hard imo

[@decyfer5302]

Rift was great. Really liked the talent trees and combat

[@jamierichter9405]

I will never understand why anybody even listens to Asmon...I have almost never agreed with any of his takes on anything.

[@Rangerthelonewolf]

Yeah agreed. He’s a hypocrite. If it wasn’t for wow he wouldn’t be where he is now. And as much shit he talks about it he will always play it. He persona on camera solo is night and day different when he’s on someone else’s podcast and when his daddy steps in the room he turns into a 8yrd kid. Submits. Doesn’t have that “fuck it, let’s go boys” persona with attitude. Stopped watching him years ago after realizing he just talks shit for views and his audience are easily impressionable young youth. And he sucks at wow of it wasn’t for his viewers carrying him through content… yeah. 😂

[@PopaLapin]

You sound biased. I disagree with Asmon on wow a lot, but in general hes a sound and logical person

[@tcr7436]

Asmon doesnt understand his gen of playing MMOs has gotten old. They dont play MMOs like they use too. The younger gen dont play MMOs like we use too. They have to many other things to play on their tablets. Times have changed. Just like everything else. Generations change. They dont do the samething as the last generation. Eventually MMOs wont be around anymore after generations.

[@ryanmarin440]

wow is the best game within a game within a community

[@richardkim3652]

Saying Vanilla WoW was the perfect mmo in its time is like saying WoW was the best mmo in 2004 because that was the only mmo in 2004 and it had no competition.

[@NoobGamer-di1dw]

Still doesn’t have much competition now tbh. There’s FFXIV then a huge drop off after that. ESO and others aren’t competing with those 2 they wouldn’t have gone F2P if they were

[@richardkim3652]

@@NoobGamer-di1dw You also forgot that a lot of WoW players quit during Shadowlands and moved on to play other mmo games to. All I know is that Retail WoW is dead from what all the WoW content creators are saying. Only like the 1% of the top hardcore players plays Retail WoW.

[@PingWhisper]

FFXIV is hot garbage

[@shadowbanned3044]

BDO had a bigger PvP player base than WoW ever had... like literally ever. On top of that it had way more depth and offered much more fun combat. Literally never could I duel for 4+ hours in WoW and in BDO you could do that against the same class. That's how fun it was, you didn't even need to swap classes. And BDO had much more competition than WoW back then, yet it still simply outperformed. Hands down.

[@arizothwow1]

Are you high on copium?

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@arizothwow1 Sorry you don't like facts.

[@arizothwow1]

@@shadowbanned3044 I didn't know you had all this internal metrics in which you can extrapolate a conclusion that BDO has a higher pvp player base. Stop smoking crack bro.

[@TheeDeci]

I never played BDO but I heard it was pay to win. So I'm curious, could this scenario your talking about happen without having to spend a bunch of money to make your character powerful? Not throwing shade im actually curious if it's possible.

[@shadowbanned3044]

@@TheeDeci BDO and p2w was a topic all over the years. I back then was placed #2 in the very first EU tournament and I payed around 200€ which was for pets and weight (basically nothing to do with power bur more about convenience). In theory you could p2w but you would need to spend like around 100k€ and there were very few individuals, yet - and that was the magic about BDO - you could still kill these people if you had the skill, which is why not a single "p2w player" has ever won a tournament. But the time I am talking about there was no p2w, there was a "value pack" which basically gave some convenience (no power at all) and equalled basically a sub.

[@assaultf4307]

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