IMPROVED Performance Or Not GOOD ENOUGH?! | Title Hopes OVER? | The Fourever Arsenal Podcast

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[@DebbieOrtiz-z3m]

Lee is presently employed by the club after following Don Robbie.

[@antoniusdesir5585]

@@DebbieOrtiz-z3m football is a business to its owners and players so I don’t have a problem with anyone stance. Everyone out there is looking out for their best interest so why shouldn’t they?

[@jaycee5750]

Lee loves the club, get off it

[@KD-Lewis]

Lee is smoking what Robbie is smoking

[@xyz-q7r5i]

No, Robbie is defending the club ownership. Lee the players. Both the manager.

[@jivet3919]

@@xyz-q7r5i I understand some of you feel most comfortable in an echo chamber but you can’t expect that everywhere you go

[@xyz-q7r5i]

@@jivet3919 "some of you"? Are you even an Arsenal fan? I am not defending both of them or the club, quite the opposite, I am pointing out why they are deluded.

[@jeromekeith9775]

Anyone who speaks positively is smoking. Tbh I’ve never been so confident that we will achieve something special this season

[@cbee402]

match going fans and those watching on tv for whatever reason are never usually untied in opinion, at least not at our club anyway. I don't get why there's so many personal attacks on here as if any of this for, aftv or robbie are running the club. YOU ALL NEED TO GROW UP

[@kilika0934]

Lee has followed Don robbie and is now on the payroll for the club

[@truthhurts1006]

Thought AFTV were anti Arsenal and wanted Arsenal to lose. Years later Robbie is being paid by Arsenal. Make it make sense.

[@limafc8565]

It's just denial. Bad form can KILL any GIANT

[@terryhoskin3739]

Or he likes the team and manager? And wants them to do their best? You know like an actual fan???

[@ACertainWay]

Pathetic. People can't even support their club anymore without being ridiculed. Shameful fanbase

[@kilika0934]

@@ACertainWay when the players cross that white line they have everyone’s support, it’s everything else you can call out when u see it, managers, players, owners… people need to be held accountable these guys are on millions

[@Abu_Naif77]

All of a sudden now Lee is trying to be Mr. Positive, yet we all know come the end of the season if we keep dropping points playing repulsive football and lose the title, he’ll revert back to his default settings and start grinding his teeth and say Arteta out

[@callumleeds6513]

Jordan speaking absolute facts, Turkish real as always, James trying to find something to hold on to, Lee merging in to TY week by week.

[@truthhurts1006]

Because they suit your narrative

[@wayneholness6090]

What’s the point in being miserable?

[@jivet3919]

⁠@@wayneholness6090 It’s the fickle nature of humans

[@AlexanderAllen-uu3wh]

Turkish is not arsenal fans he's using the club for money

[@1dan417]

Jordan's comment of the week next week

[@ravenelektra]

I never thought Lee would be so big on the excuses. So many things have been unacceptable this season. Recruitment, selection and performance levels.

[@ajayjoseph7561]

Turkish... Thank you for being real. We respect that.

[@domagojhrgovic7419]

Well, whenever things go badly, Turkish will always be "real", because he is always negative.

[@afcmarco]

@@domagojhrgovic7419that’s a lie

[@tbonez7331]

​@@domagojhrgovic7419 "whenever things go badly"...so when they're not, he isn't negative?

[@Marv-w6k]

"being real" aka act like a spoilt baby.

[@afcmarco]

@@Marv-w6k explain spoilt

[@weakypickin5059]

Jordan looking like he's in a silent movie.

[@wayneford1981]

😂😂😂

[@smusmus92]

Loooooool

[@deadlypalms]

1920's frame-rate Jordan! Or Laggy-J to his mates.

[@AlsKitchen]

Last season Liverpool played a large part of the season with the kids. Salah played in the African cup of nations and came back injured and Alisson, Trent and Jota all spent a month out injured. Their fall occured when the seniors cam eback from injury with 5 games to go and simply were not upto the pace. They jolted. This is not happening this season. They are dangerous team and too many teams are underestimating them. Alisson, Van Dijk, McCallister, Salah are a great mature spine. 3 of those have already won the title and Champions League. Even McCalister has won the World Cup with Argentina. They have experience Arsenal don't have. They have lost confidence.

[@Mr.Unprecedented6169]

injuries only matter when its liverpool

[@SiriusB89]

Turkish energy is unmatched, realest Arsenal fan 👏🏽

[@BjornAgain76]

Lee driving me crazy in this episode

[@Airyed]

Needs Claude to sort him out

[@jasendavid2578]

It's so clear him and robbie sit on artetas lap at dinner time

[@tvolution1]

Boys, I like your show. Clearly it's the best thing on AFTV. But respectfully, I have serious questions about the channel you represent. I look around AFTV post match yesterday after we failed to win a 'must win' game and what do I see? -Heart eye emoji thumbnail for Julian's fan cam thumbnail -Robbie mocking Spurs losing to Ipswich -Yardman and Lee, 2 guys who supposedly 'tell it like it is', seemingly content with the result (what has happened to those 2 guys by the way?) -More playing down of Liverpool instead than focussing on our own shortcomings -People laughing, joking and smiling This isn't just a question of differing opinions. It's a question of a massive channel not using its massive platform to put pressure on the club. There should have been anger and frustration from your channel yesterday. Instead, it's all smiles and indifference.

[@taiyebbadr8912]

So what do you want, hysteria and moaning? Do you understand we are Arsenal supporters? You can always go to rival channels to satiate your doomsday angst.

[@tvolution1]

@@taiyebbadr8912 Ah yes, the classic 'go and support rivals' line that toxic positive fans like you roll out. Very original👍 I have supported this club since 1993 so I ain't going anywhere. I certainly don't want or expect laughing and joking. I appreciate you probably enjoy that-you're the perfect customer for AFTV.

[@Marv-w6k]

If you've come for misery just go away. Some of us actually support arsenal.

[@afcmarco]

@@taiyebbadr8912you’re trying to mask your ignorance with a bunch of fancy words. You can be a fan and still uphold standards. We haven’t won a major trophy in over 20 years. So if you’re happy to delude yourself and run with whatever Robbie and his brother says, go ahead

[@lukeye03]

Get a life

[@kelvinireland1]

Turkish always keeps it real, gotta respect it.

[@kevingates8339]

Turkish just wants to be right, he doesn’t want Arsenal to win or the players to succeed if it’s going to prove him wrong. Hes a disgusting fan. And I’m not an Arsenal fan

[@l...m9415]

​@kevingates8339 turkish wants arsenal to win but by being negative he gets all the weak minded, fickle, panicky fans who think they are "real fans" on his side

[@Marv-w6k]

@@kevingates8339 spot on mate. Same as his pal Dan potts

[@Marv-w6k]

@@l...m9415 👌👌

[@Marv-w6k]

@@l...m9415 also gets all the rival fans liking him, it pays to be negative unfortunately

[@1986Jayo]

What phase is Annie slot in?? This so called process has failed massively! This fanbase needs to raise the standards

[@saisittpainghmukhant984]

Did Annie take over a squad that needed build?

[@godlifdohina730]

​@@saisittpainghmukhant984Lol Always this excuse, Moyes inherited a premier league winning side, where is he now?

[@sriramrang5283]

​@@saisittpainghmukhant984But we were told last season, Arsenal squad is better than Liverpool's.

[@TheValonquar]

​@@saisittpainghmukhant984Emerys team won Artetas FA cup he has done nothing since. Competing is not enough and now we are regressing. Whats the excuse?

[@KamanguKandola]

But that would look real stupid after challenging back2back and the one time city fall off we ain’t ready to capitalise. Typical arsenal.

[@qasimcheema8953]

Lee coming to defence like that has turkish jordan totally shocked, is this lee or his twin brother? how is he so supportive

[@Random__is__resistance]

Brown envelopes and promises of sky sports appearance with robbie no doubt

[@jgunner94]

@@Random__is__resistanceSo is that the case for anyone showing belief still in this team with struggles?

[@Snoozeyoulose70]

Lee judges is a disgrace making exchses for the manager and club again. Used to be real now you can see hes just like robbie

[@Cantdecidethough]

51:17 at this moment, Turkish considered leaving the podcast and cutting ties with Lee 😭😭😭 Turkish I feel your pain brother. You’re spot on

[@martinhammerkrogstad6596]

Turkish is the only guy talking sense from AFTV! Agree with 100% of What he is saying! Time for ateta to go now!

[@SimonFlynn-un1ur]

Stupid comment

[@martinhammerkrogstad6596]

@ u tell me whats stupid about that?

[@hzskillz1721]

Arteta ain't going anywhere get ready for Paella 🥘 dish

[@truthhurts1006]

Its nonsense sacking a manager now. If you believe we are not winning the league this year do you think the new manager will win the league? Wait till the end of the season.

[@abbott31]

@@SimonFlynn-un1urvery stupid

[@lewie8487]

Josh "Be excited guys!" Turkish "I'm embarrassed..."

[@josephb9885]

Lee, when you gave that absolute disgrace of a summer transfer window a 7/10, it became very apparent your "judge"ment has been bought and paid for. In the interest of transparency, can you give a disclaimer before each video you partake in that says, "My opinion: brought to you by Arsenal FC"?

[@jgunner94]

7/10 isn’t the best is it? It’s an ok to good rating which is fair. They brought players in each area and sold well.

[@Tun547]

@@jgunner94 No 5 or 6 out of 10 is okay/average, 7 is good/great as it’s 3 points of a perfect score. Surely that’s common sense but clearly not

[@jgunner94]

@@Tun547 That’s basically what I said, 7 is about a good rating. If Arsenal got 1 or 2 more very good players we need surely that makes the rating go higher than a 7? There’s 3 marks before you get to a masterpiece rating which is 10/10 which is a decent gap.

[@AlphaPacino-fb3wz]

When Saka ghosts for 89 minutes and gets a goal, the fanbase are creaming over him. Martinelli actually put in a shift, had a good 2nd half and got the goal and Jordans criticising him. Can't make this stuff up

[@deeray4637]

We all know why, let's be real...

[@cncmedia1461]

absolutely, where is robbie and his world class status for his star boy?

[@hzskillz1721]

They still criticise Trossard although Martinelli and Saka put up stinkers

[@ArsenalLee01]

@@AlphaPacino-fb3wz Robbie aftv when saka does nothing all game but scores that shows his world class, martinelli does it his still garbage 😂

[@AlphaPacino-fb3wz]

@ArsenalLee01 100% how our fanbase is. I've seen players ghost for the whole game and get a 2 yard assist or from a corner and they become the best thing since Thierry Henry. Our manager is largely at fault for the inbalance of this team and for the lacklustre performances from our attackers. The amount of times our CB's or Rice pick up the ball with space infront and choose to go sideways is not football and never gives our attackers the chance to attack properly.

[@samh79]

Lee going on about injuries and losing key players as if City weren’t without De Bruyne for months and months last season, arguably best midfielder of the last ten years and prem all tie great. Still won the league.

[@benjiradach1361]

Curious that you said nothing about their performances without Rodri.

[@samh79]

@ what about it? City without him are nowhere near as good. Who’s our Rodri that’s been out an entire season? My point is that he’s saying that we can’t be expected to be good as we’ve been ravaged by injuries (which we haven’t really). So by that logic, any team who wins big silverware have been with their entire squad all season??

[@benjiradach1361]

@@samh79 Odegaard, apparently, is one of our Rodri-type players (so is Saliba). We've struggled in his absence. Liverpool struggled in VVD's absence; and City is significantly worse without Rodri. It makes sense that a team will struggle in the absence of a key player, especially a player who has hardly been absent for years (so that much of the team's strategy is designed around him). This is what Lee is trying to communicate. Not sure how you got a team MUST have an entire squad to win silverware from that - like he's somehow suggesting that Arsenal would have struggled if Vieira or Nketiah were injured last season. Also, a number of our key first teamers are playing through obvious knocks - Saka, White, and now Rice come to mind. Maybe this just isn't our season - no one could have controlled or predicted the number of freak injuries to our players. It might be sad, but it's just what it is. We support our team.

[@samh79]

@ I’m not saying injuries don’t impact a team, I’m saying our injuries haven’t been bad enough to just say “ah well what can we do?” The fact city won the league last season with De Bruyne missing most of the first half says it all, and having players missing a few games each (minus Odegaard) doesn’t explain why we have been so bad. Most of it is to do with an absolute inability to be flexible tactically and respond to these few injuries. Plus all the games we have dropped points (minus Bournemouth and Newcastle) we have been in the lead and couldn’t hold on is probably more of a talking point.

[@l...m9415]

​@samh79 combine injuries with a horrible fixture run, terrible reffing and you can see why we can consider ourselves quite unlucky... just have some patience ffs

[@sushansaakya48]

What's lee smoking??? He's comparing everything to City. City aren't doing well so it's ok that we don't do well as well. City didn't spend in the summer so it's ok for is to do so as well???

[@CiciColino]

City are finally feeling the consequences of winning everything for years and it's an understandable slump in form. What's the excuse for Arsenal according to Lee?

[@ashers10ca54]

The two best comments in the show from Turkish "F*** off Josh" and "Lee pulled a sh1t out of the toilet and called it a rainbow" and at this point is Jordon now trolling 😂

[@SKG4454]

Lee’s face when Jordan mentioned Martinelli 😂😂😂

[@surgegam3r482]

Lee asks a question then as soon as someone begins talking he spazzes out. What's the point. Old man rage lol

[@leehudges7065]

They are living in the world of dreams

[@jaycee5750]

Why does Jordan look like he’s recording from a cave in Baghdad like he’s Bin Ladens son 😭😭

[@MerilP71]

Bro,!!!😁😆🙃🤛

[@jaycee5750]

😭😭😭😭

[@patrickroos739]

There is almost 7 months left of the season, 81 (eighty one) points left to play for, we had injuries and suspensions, and our most important player out for 2 months, we have played City, Villa, Spurs, Newcastle, Chelski away...players are coming back and we have not played our best team yet, havent got into the rythm yet. BUT!!! apparently the season is over and done with and Liverpool won the league...FFS guys, get a grip on reality and yourselves 😂😂😂😂😂😂 This aint over, its just begun!

[@user-cw7uu8wh1j]

The Liverpool disrespect is unbelievable.

[@ballackKalale-y9e]

I hope is good for us, let them underestimate us, than talking high of us and everyone else start focusing on us.

[@hakanbh]

It’s just frustration from people like Turkish. Lee gave you enough respect considering it’s called Fourever Arsenal. On the title - If it’s not us, i wish it for you.

[@shugaroony]

Who cares, let them mouth off and win nothing yet again. They are losers.

[@l...m9415]

​@@ballackKalale-y9eBrighton played you off the park for 60 mins. Let's see where you are after the Newcastle and city games

[@iqbalhussain8518]

Why are you guys scared of saying Arteta out, don't live with fear and raise the standard of the club

[@SimonFlynn-un1ur]

Probably because it is a nonsense thing to say

[@truthhurts1006]

Arteta out? Why?

[@CrowzEye]

@@SimonFlynn-un1urwhy is it nonsense Simon Flynn

[@seanwilliams9243]

​@SimonFlynn-un1ur get your head checked were going backwards.

[@terryhoskin3739]

Because Arteta is the best thing to happen to this club for a loooong time? Before Arteta we had stinky players year in and year out of giving up second things get tough. Getting drubbed 5-0 by Liverpool, City, Chelsea on the regular. Let’s be honest recruitment has let Arteta down this summer. You think the plan was to let Nketiah, Smith-Rowe, Nelson, veira all go and not bring upgrades or even bring anyone in barring a last minute sterling loan? Arteta isn’t the one with the hands on the purse strings and he’s not the one striking up deals for players… No coach is sitting there in the summer saying no don’t get me good players.

[@OfficialDPS7]

Turkish in his childhood bedroom Jordan at his Mummy's house James in his gilfriends bedroom And Lee is in the shed at the back of the garden 😂 love the pod guys, keep up the great work

[@Gunner_Bo]

Why do so many Arsenal fans accept all this mediocrity we’ve been goin through for years? Including some people on this panel. Arsenal is not a big club anymore.

[@TheValonquar]

Blame the fans.

[@SpecialP5]

@@Gunner_Bo what should fans do? Stop supporting the club ? No one accepts losing my guy. But fans can't do fuck all other then support and hope to win.

[@Gunner_Bo]

@@SpecialP5 get this ownership out to start of with.

[@SpecialP5]

@Gunner_Bo right fans will get the owners out. A billionaire organisation that have major sports teams will just decide to sell the club because some blokes on KZbin said so. Okay mate. Let's write a petition as well while we are at it shall we?

[@SimonFlynn-un1ur]

Mediocrity? 90 points? Right

[@v2-kaj]

This show is becoming a therapy session for when Arsenal disappoints. Thanks Lee for being your honest self and thanks Turkish for being you as well. Just listening to both your opinions helps keep perspective and balance. Jordan should just provide recommendations for Netflix shows.

[@Alnard]

Saka, Rice and White are dead on their feet after a year of solid play without a break. Once fatigue sets in injuries are sure to follow. The club needs to protect our players with good recruitment. Calafiori was a great signing. The rest was a complete disaster. Two seasons we've needed an eight to replace Xhaka, a reliable back-up for Saka and a star Striker. Arsenal has failed. No excuses. We have wasted the best opportunity the club has had in years to win the title.

[@CrowzEye]

Facts

[@MerilP71]

Bro can't agree more 💯 👏 🙌 they F....up ,lmao 🤨😔😭😡😠

[@Slim2Flo]

Honestly with how good he has performed for Leverkusen and partey and jorgi being 31-32 i have no idea why we even sold xhaka and for such a low fee. He had been here for so long and was finally a fan favourite. No chance caicedo gets away with his bullying if xhaka was there.

[@Tony-sc1cp]

Jordans cam is flickering. Different frequency of sampling compared to the light frequency. You can fix by down or increasing the sampling of the cam to 50Hz or 60Hz

[@user-kj6be8sf3v]

Sure lil bro...

[@MaxFiveGames]

Brother its Jordan. He has no idea how to do that lol

[@mf289]

Came for football analysis walked away with IT/light advice.

[@Panero419]

Bro it’s called a ceiling fan. Mans getting all techy for no reason 😂😂😂😂

[@deeray4637]

​@Panero419 showing off to us that he knows a lil bit bout cameras 🤣

[@AhmedOmar-fu6pu]

fans talking about how liverpool were gonna fall off post klopp then when slot does well narrative spins that he inherited a super team. Isnt arteta spending 800 mill and having a squad of players he wanted for his system worse. Slot made 0 signings and hes been in england for 4 months. Its embarrasing. ArtetaOut

[@SpecialP5]

@@AhmedOmar-fu6pu its also a squad that came 3 last season. Also it's 11 games into the season. People act if Liverpool won the title in November.

[@yoloforlife8678]

Yeah I agree as a Liverpool fan I thought it would be a more transitional season in the summer especially with only signing Chiesa in a team that came 3rd but Slot is cooking for now but obviously trophies aren’t awarded this early so the team gotta perform like this for rest of season cause if they don’t arsenal could overtake them if they click into gear like the last couple seasons

[@Tun547]

The worse thing is that fans have repeatedly said “We can’t compete with City” for the past two seasons. Pep and City have literally left the door wide open but where are Arsenal? 9 points off the top and 4 points behind this faltering City team that everyone said we can’t compete with. If Arteta fails to win a major trophy this year then times up no more excuses, he’s had enough time and money.

[@l...m9415]

We saw arsenal vs liverpool. We were the better team. Grow a pair throwing your toys out the pram in November is ridiculous have some bottle.

[@shugaroony]

@@SpecialP5 Nobody has said that. One thing that is certain however, is that Arsenal won't be winning the PL title this season.

[@hoodz-da-gunner]

I love the energy, passion and humor that you guys bring every time even though I’m surprised Jordan hasn’t been replaced yet 😂Just kidding you 4 are the OGs, keep doing your magic!

[@jeffreymathews398]

Never seen Lee this quiet for so long time. Look what Arsenal have done!

[@philippeh3904]

The problem is you’d probably need at least 90 points to win the title. So Arsenal would need to get 71 points out of 83 remaining. Do I see Arsenal only dropping 12 points in 27 games? No. I think Arsenal will still finish strong. But I doubt the title is going to north London this season.

[@TheNizoubizou]

Lee was speaking facts. There's no divine right for Arsenal to win it because they challenged for two seasons and he's right for opposing the argument that City is losing to easy teams because they won titles in the past and they don't have pressure to challenge again. Support the team through thick and thin, call out what's going wrong but don't go overboard like the season is done, calling Arteta and players out. Turkish you're too emotional and bitter about the past, taking it out on the current squad and manager is wrong, they are not guilty the club didn't win the league for 20 years. Everybody can see how Arteta turned the club into the right direction and he got close twice.

[@ETIKUT99]

Turkish just leave this channel mate and concentrate on your own, this channel and its staff will drag you down, also if you don’t jump your be pushed soon as what you say doesn’t fit and it’s too realistic

[@Random__is__resistance]

Your spot on i think the same. This channel is going to get peak at the end of the season, exposing the ones who get brown envelopes, ultimately lying to everyone to protect their access

[@ETIKUT99]

@@Random__is__resistance glad someone agrees with me, cheers

[@jeffgithinji4677]

Too realistic 😂😂 what a load of bollocks

[@flamboyentpromotions3471]

Turkish is spot in its the lack of work in the transfer market bringing the right people in thats caused us to struggle.

[@holisticvillage]

Everyone’s fancam was as expected; gut-wrenchingly ‘positive & deluded’ aka Vibes FC but Lee and Yardman’s were absolute SHOCKERS!!! 🤯🤯🤯 Couldn’t finish either of there’s. Lastly, James’ was the only realistic and accurate analysis. Turkish’s on his channel was 🔥 🔥 🔥 and so on point 🎯 plus it’s the only time I managed to smile after that VEX promo 😅 but hey, onto the Cup competitions we go 😕

[@Slim2Flo]

The angry sponsorship was peak😂 i love turkish man

[@thisisliving700]

5:50 I love how Jordan has this tell where he just casually looks away whenever someone says a madness in his presence that you just KNOW Jordan is going to disagree with but out of respect he doesn't butt in.

[@marcuscj29]

I'd love to hear the excuses for Arteta now.

[@abdullahibnmiah2986]

calm down. Chelsea are no mugs. We are on a bad patch but got a draw.

[@Random__is__resistance]

Cult of arteta is still strong. We all know in may we will hear but but arteta just need his striker. The main reason he didn't sign one thats his final excuse card

[@PeppermintProduction]

(I may be muddling up the timelines of these events but hopefully it still makes sense) - We stumble to a top 4 challenge and just needed a striker in January and we didn't do it then finished 5th - Roll onto the next season and stumble into a title race and need a midfielder. We don't do it and then finish 2nd. - End of last season we were seen as "arguably the best team". Now all of a sudden Arne Slot inherited a great squad. So many excuses. It's the OWNERSHIP!! I hold my hands up. Turkish was right. You don't even need to judge the ownership from last summer. Look closely at how we've been moving! Every chance we've had to move the needle we've just not done it.

[@kamarulariffinomar2644]

If everyone listen to Lee wait another 20 years if lucky

[@robhans5]

So? We were winning league when there was only united To compete. Now with chelsea and City we are not even Top 4 club. Only one without UCL. We are not big club

[@shugaroony]

He'll be in his box or sipping his food through a straw by then.

[@allisterklein9723]

Please bring Back Old Lee, Lee being influenced by AFTV. How is Jordan the one that makes the Most sense on this Podcast. The world is upside down. Arsenal 4th with the same points as Forest, Chelsea and Brighton. Then Jordan makes the most sense.

[@Random__is__resistance]

💯

[@PuertoVerdean]

Yard man too

[@jualinachomoza]

These man are loyal firstly to their pockets

[@ibm3449]

Lee is absolutely spot on, it’s one thing to have injuries and just say “deal with it” and it’s another thing to have 4/5 key players missing due to injury and you expect the same level of performance, no team in the world can perform optimal with that much number of players missing. Liverpool won’t be anywhere close to where they are with Van Dijk and Salah missing.

[@l...m9415]

Exactly. But Jordan wants to say it's a "moot point". He lives in a fairytale world where team injuries and bad ref decisions even out over the course of the season. Doesn't work like that some seasons you get lucky some seasons you don't. We've been unlucky so far while Liverpool have been lucky.

[@MrRozayyy]

You fans never want to take accountability for when things aren’t going well. Just excuse after excuse

[@ibm3449]

@ It’s perfectly ok to complain about injuries, it’s nothing to do with lack of accountability. Pep complained about it, why shouldn’t Arteta? You think City will be where they are if they had Rodri in the team?

[@MrRozayyy]

@@ibm3449 yes they would. City over the last 2 szns have started of poorly with Rodri included and still managed to win the league. This year it is looking different but historically they’re known for kicking into gear after January. Injuries are apart of football, have to accept it and find alternative solutions or you prepare better before hand

[@stevea989]

Your analysis is so out of context. Arsenal have had to play Bournemouth, Brighton and City with ten men. 2 draws and a loss could have been 3 wins in those matches. That’s 9 points instead of 2; Liverpool are 9 ahead, very different context to what it is now without talking about injuries. Liverpool will have their fair share of injuries too and two wins for us and two draws for them could bring us within 5 points. Win at Anfield and we could be within 2 points. Even Slot recognised the unique context that we’ve had to play in. Let’s hope we have better luck after the break; keep the faith, the boys will turn this around.

[@mshadow525]

You are assuming Arsenal will win all the matches while Liverpool drops points. Forget about the title. We are not winning all our games.

[@igotktfobyafoot-stomper3979]

Arsenal haven’t beaten Liverpool at anfield since 2012 that’s 12 years and when they play them next its gonna be 13 years what makes you think arsenal can go their and get a win when they’ve been playing poorly

[@shu550]

Arsenal haven’t won at Anfield in a whole decade, it’s delusional you think it will happen now. Liverpool had more then their share of injuries last season, in fact it’s Arsenal and Man City that didn’t (bar lengthy spells for KDB and Haaland)

[@TheValonquar]

We have regressed but the excuses and delusion never ends. Worst fanbase in the PL. They even turn on club legend Henry. Sickening.

[@robhans5]

Fuch Henry. Traitor. Bottlejob in UCL and escaped to Barca.

[@TheValonquar]

@@robhans5 🤣

[@BESTintheW0RLD1]

Big up Lee, spoke from the heart and made soooo much sense compared to the other waffle from the others being extremely unreasonable

[@jay_archie]

No he didn’t he’s just delusional just like you

[@Marv-w6k]

Turkish looks high as a kite. And what's with the exaggerated laughter.

[@blakegoold6943]

He clearly smokes! Man doesn’t hide it 😂

[@leewhite7635]

So negative these days not watchin this anymore

[@Wooty-p1d]

People like Lee are the reason we haven’t won the league in about 20 years

[@SpecialP5]

@@Wooty-p1d right cus fans like lee out there playing? We haven't won a title because we had shite players playing under Wenger after moving to Emirates.

[@SimonFlynn-un1ur]

No idea why

[@truthhurts1006]

He is not the reason. He is not the manager or player. Nobody knows Lee in that dressing room.

[@abovebeyondkct6589]

@@SpecialP5what he’s saying is that the fanbase does genuinely have an impact. If an entire fanbase gets on the same page and puts pressure on ownership, they can do enough to make a difference. It’s why managers get sacked all the time. It’s why changes are made. So if the fanbase is too easily accepting of mediocrity and just simply let a regime get away with no trophies in half a decade and absurd moves or lack-thereof, then nothing will change. Fans pushed ownershio into sacking Wenger after they all got frustrated enough of the failures, they made a change, and we had hope, but it’s gotten to the point that the upward trajectory has flattened, and in many respects, fallen. This team isn’t as strong as it’s been recently, clearly hasn’t won and doesn’t look like winning, the the current leadership has made several pivotal detrimental decisions. Half a decade and near a billion pounds with nothing to show is more than just a “process”. So yes, fans do need to change their outlook and attitude if they’re wanting real success, which is only made of silverware.

[@l...m9415]

What a stupid thing to say

[@jaxmersid]

We are the most delusional fan base in the world. Our best player was out and we didn’t lose to city or Liverpool. Man city finds themselves in this situation every year. They start a run and win the league. That’s what we need to do. The title race is far from over

[@mmolefe18]

Too much excuses Lee. 2019 be excited no league in 20 years and 5 years in the process come on

[@damianscott5933]

so many excuses and reasons and hoops to jump through. He sounds defeated, he doesnt even think the standard should be high is what he sounds like..

[@lbj1262]

While some of you think Lee is deluded, just a reminder than we’re 11 games into the season and we’ve already played almost the entire top half of the table, including City, Spurs, Liverpool, Villa, Newcastle away. On top of the injuries and silly ref decisions along the way. Is it disappointing, sure, but we’ve had as difficult of an opening 10 fixtures as anybody in this league. Just hope you lot stay on that “the seasons over, Arteta out” side when we have a good run of fixtures. Arsenal fans have some of the weakest mentality among fanbases, ready to burn the whole thing down at the sign of a little adversity.

[@l...m9415]

Well said

[@ikeman9784]

Thank you bro. It's amazing how fickle and hopeless our fanbase is. We're still in 4 competitions everything to play for. Barely 2 months into a grueling 9+ months season and people giving up hope. The level of negativity is beyond nauseating.. I thought we did really well yesterday considering the circumstances. Away at Stamford bridge after a tough match away in Europe against a teams that's rested their first 11 all week... This team has given so much the last 2 seasons ofcourse there's gonna be some drop-off. Plus the terrible with injuries and just mad ref decisions smh

[@SHEK110]

Oh please man. Were 11 games in, nothing is decided in November. Liverpool were 7 points clear in January and look what happened to them in the end. Im so sick of reactionary Arsenal fans

[@JackSmith.9966]

Liverpool are different this szn , their style of play is different, they don't waste energy .

[@REALISTOGEE]

Yeah but arsenal had a game in hand

[@Tibor860]

So sick of non reactionary fans who are happy to be 9 pts behind btw will be 9pts behind in Dec plus under pressure on 2 fronts in UCL as well

[@jaysonmiru3563]

Why everyone is so surprised by Lee’s takes in this episode? Wobbie anticipated how’s the mood going to be across the panel & chose Lee to save his payday with the club! It’s well planned!! 😂

[@Random__is__resistance]

Absolutely im glad other people can see it

[@ogheneovoojakovo9423]

How you guys talk about Liverpool is disgraceful

[@SC.KINGDOM]

Liverpool squad is mid. They won't win the league

[@REALISTOGEE]

Arsenal must be below mid 😂​@@SC.KINGDOM

[@SC.KINGDOM]

@@REALISTOGEE with rice and saka worth over 80 million? You'll see

[@REALISTOGEE]

@@SC.KINGDOM saka has been alright but rice has been mid this season 😂

[@SC.KINGDOM]

@@REALISTOGEE L take amigo

[@ThatFlyPigeon]

Thank goodness for Lee adding context where it matters, you can't just ignore unfair red cards and injuries and expect it to not have an effect on our season. Everyone bar Liverpool who've had an easy start have struggled. Now we're getting some key players back and Liverpool have some tough fixtures lets see how we fare.

[@VictorVictor-v8s]

Big national television presenter like Jordan can't sort out proper lightning and Internet? Pattern up man.

[@ahmedkhalled1427]

Why are these Arsenal fans talking about the last ''chance'' as if it was a missed chance? It was a clear offside on Saliba so it doesn't matter? They seriously count it as a chance when the guy was offside? Jesus, this fanbase is more deluded than I thought. And why has Lee become this deluded? He used to be one of the real ones, who could point out the BS from the fanbase. Now, it seems like he's one of the deluded ones who keeps making excuses and seems satisfied with a damn draw in a ''must win''-game. This guy has been infected from Ty, Robbie and the rest of the deluded lot.

[@milesaway7866]

Bro why are you even here? Watching fans for a team you do not support is just sad.

[@grantross5594]

@@milesaway7866like there rest of us laughing at all the excuses & bullshit 😂😂

[@mf289]

@@grantross5594so sad, go outside or get a job maybe

[@adewaleaderoloye1161]

Ridiculous takes from Turkish and Jordan. We were much better than we’ve been previously, Martinelli was not at his flying best but better than recent performances. The team doesn’t just go from being poor to flying form. The performance at Stamford was an upgrade and we can build from there. Season is still a long way to go

[@TheDiegoo17]

Are you slow in the head?

[@cooldukeblr]

I’m with Lee, we need different prospective on this podcast this week, otherwise it would have been too negative.

[@DigontoZahid-lc7kt]

The waffling from lee was embarrassing.....lee city has won the treble and the league 4 out of 5 times in last 5 years they have 1000 times more credit in the bank than arsenal who hasnt won shite in 5 years under the same management ...lee stop embarrassing yourself

[@l...m9415]

So because they have won titles recently, they are allowed to complain about injuries? Surely citys standards should be even higher than arsenal's cos of their recent success and therefore they should never complain about injuries! See how flawed your logic is

[@DigontoZahid-lc7kt]

@l...m9415 stop embarrassing yourself son city wins trophies regularly they have nothing to prove to anyone they will get the benefit of the doubt over arsenal everyday of the week for obvious reasons of that they are proven winners ....city not winning a title (after winning 4 in a row) wont mean anything nada .....if you dont understand the point move it along dont embarrass yourself like this ....

[@SimonFlynn-un1ur]

Jordan, sir Alex used to say look at the table on 1st Jan. That's the time to judge it. It is November and that is a relevant comment. If we are 9 points down in Jan then it is highly likely all over

[@ABD-G9]

Its over mate, dont fool yourself.

[@DigontoZahid-lc7kt]

Arsenal will be 15 points behind by January at this rate

[@shugaroony]

Whisky nose used to say too that you can't lose more than 6 games to win the league. Thats no longer the case; it was far easier for his lot - along with getting help from Howard Webb - to win titles back then.

[@callumwaddell5145]

Lee, the only real supporter on this panel. Thank Christ for him. I’ll tell you what’s embarrassing Turkish, you.

[@MrMusic238]

49:00 "love and behold" Lee Judges 2024

[@notharryhindsight7746]

I thought I heard wrong.😂😂😂

[@abovebeyondkct6589]

Top 4 race is NOT a joke…at this point, with the way this manager and this team are performing, even European football next season is not guaranteed.

[@kupsy1234]

Ok can I make everyone feel a bit better? All it takes is one Liverpool draw for the whole complexion to change. Then the gap is 7 points. Liverpool and city have to play twice. For argument sake let’s say it’s 2 draws. Then the gap is 3 points. Liverpool have to go away to villa, Newcastle, spurs, Chelsea, Brighton, forest etc. They can drop a lot of points there. I know this also hinges on Arsenal winning our games but our next 8 games look very winnable on paper. By the end of this run, I’m certain the gap will be less than 4 points. It’s not over guys!

[@gregoryreid1893]

Phase 5. Trust the process guys. We've got Super Mik Arteta, He knows exactly what we need🤡

[@hzskillz1721]

We've got Super Mik Arteta and he knows how to serve Paella 🥘

[@SC.KINGDOM]

You are winning the Premier league

[@osayandeigbinedion5131]

That rant from Lee is exactly what this podcast actually needs because it feels like every one is scared to go against Turkish arguments.. I have been watching this podcast for 2 seasons now and I would say this is the best episode I’ve seen so far.. big up Lee…

[@JP-fc6hq]

I'm so inspired by your defense of the reasons for our situation Lee! Brave integrity! I actually agree with you. Bravo

[@Snoozeyoulose70]

😂😂😂 he's flipping clueless and clinging on to hope

[@JP-fc6hq]

@Snoozeyoulose70 it's not hope to say injuries, red cards etc etc have impacted our flow and general results. Anyway not up for an opinion battle. Just my thoughts

[@sheriffkumordor8850]

Im sorry but his way of thinking is bad... point is Arsenal was supposed to build on last year's performance and they didnt... he keeps referring to other teams and their struggles as an excuse... I agree with Turkish... if Arsenal had built on what they did last year they will be sitting on top right now and not Liverpool...

[@kwekuosei5268]

wow Saka is not a scary attacker? thats ridiculous just say you dont rate him and we move you see every coach sacrifice 3 players and put them on him every game club or country

[@rodneyhamutenya2413]

This is so funny… Why does anyone think we have a divine right to win games? When you look at our form and injuries we worked hard to play the way we did and while we could have won that game late on (trossard leave it alone!) I encourage everyone to remember that this is REAL LIFE and even Football Manager / EA would humble you!

[@mr__OK]

Lee talking rubbish whole episode. Diverting from Arsenal failings but constantly brining up city. He does realise Arsenal are 4/5 points behind city right now he talking as if they are tied on points 🤡🤡

[@reign9595]

Jordan is top of the table?! FFS the apocalypse is coming

[@Random__is__resistance]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@HarryyHD]

Lee gets a pass on this one - We had a crap weekend so watching Spurs get spanked by the tractor boys is like a therapy session!

[@DonaldJTrump1]

Jordan wanting arsenal to guarantee wins against teams like Bournemouth yet can’t guarantee his camera will work on a weekly podcast. Jordan standards please

[@animoley8012]

After an hour watching Jordans lighting my brain finally adapted….Problem is I can’t look at anywhere normal now without my eyes strobing!

[@cancorder1]

Turkish is not an Arsenal SUPPORTER. When they do well, puffs his chest out. When they do bad, hammers them. Support is about backing the team through thick and thin. Not throwing them under the bus at the first opportunity.

[@doreamonlive3575]

because of fan like u we are nor succesful

[@ryanb01]

You’re the reason why we haven’t won the league since I was in primary school, I’m in my 30s now!

[@cancorder1]

😂 IM the reason?! I’m not the one tasked with scoring the goals you muppets I’m also a season ticket holder; so I fund the club. If anything, I contribute to the team financially, which I’m not sure either of you can say you do

[@TurkishLDN]

@@cancorder1 oh so you contribute financially? Like me and my family have done since Highbury? That proves you’re a real SUPPORTER right? Same reason doesn’t work for me though does it? Kroenke’s love you ❤ Don’t question the owners to remain a SUPPORTER. You’re a CUSTOMER mate, wake up.

[@dchampionpraisekeyz8341]

Why do you guys keep saying it's two weeks break when it's only this weekend?

[@goonerlegend1504]

James rocking the grandad jumper .. again!

[@jakerichards665]

Why is it called a jumper?

[@lammergeier100]

Why is it called a jacket?​@@jakerichards665

[@YaBoySteve-SR7]

When Turkish was doing the shoutouts to everyone’s channels he sounded like a horse racing commentator. And the way he flowed with James fireworks was on point 😂

[@llewcalonogryffedd6152]

Also I think a big problem is that we lack a player who can shoot from long range. Having a player like that would make breaking down teams easier because he would draw a defender or two when on the edge of the box, creating more space without doing virtually anything.

[@vandijk4572]

Xhaka

[@The-Alcoholic-Author]

​@@stevencarr3091 Stop comparing us to city, we are not city. We will not spend a massive amount of money on attackers so stop dreaming. We couldn't even buy a single striker when it was blatantly obvious one was needed. Get your head out of the clouds.

[@llewcalonogryffedd6152]

​@@vandijk4572 Exactly

[@rickyproctor6562]

Odegaard and Saka used to shoot but somehow dont these last 2 seasons.

[@deeray4637]

Only player who tries it? Nwaneri, and he is never given a proper chance.

[@EddieCeefax45AFC]

At this moment Pep Guardiola is under pressure. Somehow Mikel Arteta isn't. What the hell is this?

[@aiwanfob3448]

Lee the only one realistically reasonable and contextual Every other panelist like most Arsenal fans just cry without proper sense of what the situation is. Liverpool won the UCL and VVD suffered an ACL the following season. Liverpool finished outside the top four. Arsenal fans suddenly feeling entitled to win the league because we competed for two seasons is laughable.

[@stephenocallaghan8626]

No we lost all our CBS and finished 3rd

[@Ayodeji_Talks_Footy]

@@stephenocallaghan8626yeah because your keeper scored a goal 😂

[@Ayodeji_Talks_Footy]

@ The Klopp effect was what got you guys through 💯but we have had injuries to all our defenders this season so far bar saliba. You couldn’t survive the same injuries we have had this season with your squad depth. You too imagine having all your full backs injured along with konate and van dijk getting sent off for an offense that no other player in similar situation has been sent off for. Then Gravenberg getting a second yellow card for kicking a moving ball 😂😂 and then salah as your best chance creator missing 3-4 months from an injury gotten from an international break. Plus Slot is actually lucky to have the 4 world class players in key departments staying fit along with his tactical nuances 🤝

[@truthhurts1006]

That season when they pushed City to the last game of the season, they fell off the season after.

[@aiwanfob3448]

@@truthhurts1006 exactly my point but our fan base act as though the world is about to end. Some will say we haven’t won the league in over 20 years which is true. How ever, Liverpool has one title in 34 years! Some people want Arteta out for not winning the league in his first ever coaching job after 5 years😂😂😂. Klopp won only one in 9 years! Pep, the greatest manager of all time with the best players has won only one UCL in 9 years! Throwing all contexts out of the window while analyzing isn’t wise.

[@GAZZA1433]

Lee walking off last week hahaha still got me in stitches

[@unclemad4367]

Lee is starting to lose it. Its all blind faith.

[@StephenKellyy]

The game was lost when Trossard came on. I’m sick of his attitude. Jesus coming on to make an impact??? Bro can’t keep the ball for more than 5 seconds. I’ve been critical of Turkish mentioning the transfer window because it’s something we can’t control but ultimately it’s what has cost us. Our attack is clueless. It needs to click in order to WIN football matches. We’re suffering from Arteta’s faith in the squad from the last two seasons but like you’ve said, we’ve been found out. It’s time to mix things up. I still believe we can compete because points are being dropped by all teams. But man, we need luck. Disappointing considering it could have been in our hands if we signed a couple of attackers. And yes I’d take Chris Wood at this moment in time🤣 We’re in the mud. Love for the love

[@alvintzy95]

except for turkish who i respects his realism, lee just become the cult member of delusions - thinking that the fixtures for arsenal are more difficult than liverpool, really if you want to compete for the league it does not matter who they are , Just win !

[@RenegadeMaster137]

I don’t know how Turkish can say this wasn’t a noticeably better performance than the Newcastle game… I respect your opinion bro, everyone sees the game differently, but that seems like a crazy take

[@benjiradach1361]

Lee's the only one actually taking context into account (and James to a degree) - not surprised since he's older and wiser than the rest. Turkish doesn't know how to think critically - he has passion to sell for days. Jordan gets it sometimes, but completely misses it other times.

[@kwekuosei5268]

Jordan doesnt get it at all

[@l...m9415]

Thought Turkish had grown past his 'throwing his toys out the pram' days but clearly not

[@user-tq8pp7st9i]

I was Surprised Arteta didn't go in for Alverez from City.. I think he missed a trick there

[@LVGA-2756]

idk why arsenal fans seem to be upset, there's always a next season back the team and arteta.😅

[@Infiniteinjurytime]

Turkish, never change brother! Always keeping it real no bs

[@tyinfra4389]

Lee could easily go back to match of the day after the podcast recording. Dock him points.

[@GoonerRam]

Lee, it will be easier if you just admit that you are an Arsenal PR agent. Lee says we had such a great season last year. despite winning nothing. Some great season that This is the same guy who wanted a club legend like Wenger sacked for not winning the title, pathetic