Nona Gaprindashvili Sues Netflix for 5 Million Dollars!

[@edwinso8173]

Tal was never a queen trader, he was a queen sacrificer.

[@cheron5630]

Imagine we had a queen trader and you could buy queens from the trader and sometimes get one free if you buy one

[@daviddonadze221]

lol true

[@andream61]

Well, he liked to trade his queen for the opponent's king

[@La_sagne]

Tal the inventor of the botez gambit

[@La_sagne]

sorry im mistaken. the botez gambit was ofcourse invented by mister gambit

[@zlozlozlo]

Bobby Fischer is absent from the Queen's Gambit because Beth's story was partially inspired by his story. Namely the part where an American comes to the Soviet-dominated world of chess and "beats the Russians at their own game". You can't have Bobby Fischer existing in the story and doing his thing, because he and Beth would be doing the same thing at the same time.

[@jeffjones6951]

In the Netflix series, there was a Fischer-based character, the cowboy - at least having Bobby's temperament

[@lorikhamiti9165]

Even when borgov starts clapping like spassky did

[@Nnm26]

@@jeffjones6951 he's a lot more reasonable than bobby

[@cheron5630]

You are quite right. Antonio didn't kow that. This also asserts that Beth was a real character and not fiction only her name was Bobby and she had a lute

[@MightyCaucasian]

That is exactly why antonio mentions bobby is absent from the Queen's gambit... He is implying that beth is loosely based on bobby. Antonio is not being naive

[@misternoodle1236]

If I recall correctly, there were several reports of Tal purposefully neglecting to hit his timer on multiple occasions when he saw his opponent was low on time. This wasn't done just because she is a she but Tal respected them as players and wanted the game to go on instead of winning on a technicality, especially when he didn't get to play against them very often. It wasn't meant to be disrespectful or chauvinistic. This is conjecture, but I would assume the reason he didn't do this with people like Bobby or Rashid was because he played them enough to trust them to do well under time pressure.

[@ss9392]

@Shaktiman Channel doesnt even make sense

[@sambo6256]

@@ss9392 "Mikhail Tal is the best chess player ever born" but in a different order

[@kirbyculp3449]

Its like a delayed Evan's Gambit.

[@tamarasunshine386]

This Tal is such an amazing guy

[@manojbala6870]

@@tamarasunshine386 tal is the best

[@christianr.3617]

Nona was very heart-broken, after the release of the show. Imagine, your work of life and great achievements are diminished and sacrificed just to make fictional hero more important. Nona and her supporters tried to reach out to Netflix, but Netflix didn't care. well, now there probably will be some direct agreement and they have to pay something

[@brucewayne2184]

Boo hoo. Doesn't deserve 5 million bucks.

[@WhatIsSanity]

Oh and Netflix does? They made money from this persons career and slandered them in the process. Hardly puts Netflix in a position of moral superiority.

[@christianr.3617]

@@brucewayne2184 Netflix should simply apologize, and correct publicly the statement, I think it will do the trick. They were offered to do that, but before lawsuit there was zero reaction

[@skuzzn815]

The thing about ficitional stories is... that they are fictional. They do not need to allign with facts from our world at all. Nona sueing Netflix for that is simply emberassing.

[@tonibat59]

You do not loose your right to a fair reputation just because you are a star. I think there's some substance to the suit. As for the amount, this is rather irrelevant. Suppose it should be in proportion to the profit they made with the film.. They will probably arrive a settlement for much less money, thats the usual thing. Wish good luck to Nona, and good attorney!

[@alwinw64]

Even tal didn't get a draw, guess there is no compromising for Netflix either

[@thesaint8567]

It's all about advertising and publicity.

[@SrikanthChess]

Ya bro

[@alwinw64]

@@thesaint8567 I didn't know about her, and now I do. I'd say it's a huge success.

[@Nicks721]

He was never much of a queen-trader, only occasionally he traded her for a bishop or pawn

[@ethancatlin9322]

😂 very true.

[@DzofAzmi]

Sometimes he would even trade her for the king.

[@SrikanthChess]

True

[@fightingforcatalonia]

Who agrees Agad wife is much nicer than Levy's

[@Nicks721]

@@fightingforcatalonia of course she is!!!! But the best of all is your mom ♥️♥️♥️

[@panosts6178]

I get that Nona was offended when Misha tried to lower his clock to match her for fun but he did stuff like this to all of his opponents regardless of gender.

[@ChessJourneyman]

That's the difference in mentality and mindset that separates the best from the rest.

[@panosts6178]

@@ChessJourneyman For real though. Tal didn't give a f. He asked her what opening to play without preparation, offered her a draw to be polite and celebrate her accomplishment and even tried go get her out of time trouble to continue the struggle. You can call this man eccentric but its undeniable that he was as game as they came. Who does things like that when facing grandmasters?

[@thedoorsbest]

You are right. Makes sense.

[@christopherneedham9584]

At no point does anyone say that Nona got offended. You can demand someone put their best forward without being offended.

[@bledathehun328]

Yeah, i don't point at him. But also, is important to understand the context; on a time with so much discrimination against female talent on chess, would be undestandable to think it was a gender thing (if she did).

[@christophercoreano2787]

I need a sweater that says “as there is nothing more to be done” PLEASEEEEEEE I’ll buy it.

[@jx14aby]

I'm putting it on my gravestone.

[@christophercoreano2787]

@@jx14aby facts bro lmaooo

[@alex2005z]

@@jx14aby you should probably have someone else do it, its kind of hard for one to do it themselves

[@steelmongoose4956]

"Now, and only now..." "And it was in this position..."

[@SamuelPearlman]

With a King laid on its side!! Awesome, I'd buying a hoodie :D

[@kinggyani]

“There are two types of sacrifices: correct ones, and mine.” - Mikhail Tal

[@TransRoofKorean]

actual quote?

[@TransRoofKorean]

actual quote?

[@Darth.Caedus]

"There are two types of blunders: the bad ones and the worse ones which are mine." - Me

[@blueberryoatmeal4009]

"There are two types of roasts: ordinary ones, and those of chess geniuses in a self-deprecating mood" - Me

[@rogerstone3068]

Gaprindashvili was clearly a stronger player than I had realised - I didn't think anyone reached these levels until the Polgars. All credit to her. And I think Netflix should pay up, and apologise!

[@OtoMagaldadze]

Even if Netflix doesn't pay, everyone is talking about it. So, many will figure the truth.

[@nikolozgakharia3583]

Maia Chiburdanidze also reached that level.

[@CrossEyedMary1967]

Before Polgars there definitely were two Georgian women Nona Gaprinashvili and Maia Chiburdanidze.They totally dominated women chess world for decades and were called two queens of chess.

[@justinabraham7291]

@@nikolozgakharia3583 but her name was not mentioned in the series

[@stronggs1459]

In my opinion, Netflix should be canceled altogether because this was not the first time.

[@TheHigherSpace]

Daaaamn in the 60s they were embarrassed when they flag someone .. Nowadays it's an "endgame technique"

[@AgarioGameplays]

Hikaru

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah

[@eMbry00s]

what is "flagging" someone?

[@zanti4132]

In the 1960s, the clocks were analog. You had no way of knowing the precise moment your flag would drop, so you kept going and crossed your fingers. Now they use digital clocks that show the exact time you have left and even add some time to your clock when you complete a move. In the 60s, a capricious flag could cost you the game. If you run out of time now, it's your own fault.

[@jx14aby]

Nona is obviously a tenatious fighter. Love that in a chess player. That's what chess is really about.

[@spiraldj]

She's clearly a fighter in life too. Glad to see her stand up to Netflix

[@JW-qd3ol]

*tenacious and yes! I agree with you!! :)

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah

[@comwiz06]

my chess is about blundering dammit

[@jx14aby]

@@comwiz06 Even heros die.

[@MrSupernova111]

Thank you so much for covering this game in light of recent events. Nona fully deserves to not have her groundbreaking career smeared by a tv show which is only interested in making money. There was absolutely no reason for Netflix to lie about her career and they should absolutely pay her for damages.

[@SrikanthChess]

Thank you agadmator

[@shenglong9818]

Stop crying, it's just a tv show

[@karisteinn5647]

Yo as an Icelandic person, your pronounciation of Reykjavík is the best I've heard

[@agadmator]

Thanks!

[@trequor]

Agad is a master of pronunciation.

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah brother, master

[@PipRap]

@@trequor Even so much so that he pronounced my girlfriend's ficional-language-nickname perfectly when given as a donor's name

[@trequor]

@@PipRap Truly a linguist not seen since JRR Tolkien. Have you seen the video where Agad explains what the "brim" of a hat is? He pulls up a diagram and everything lol

[@gagatube]

I understand the Netflix twist as it gave more impact to Beth Harman's success by implying she was the first to face men 'on an equal footing' (although it looked less like equality and more like invincibility as the movie went on...) but having to dis' a real player (Nona), who already played men as an equal, was a very poor way to achieve that. I wish her success in her lawsuit.

[@Ennar]

There was absolutely no reason to mention real life person in fictional setting and give false information. If they just said Beth was the first to do so, without mentioning Nona, it would be fine, but this is just bad. Nona is 100% in the right here, the irony here is too strong to give it a pass. She is the true inspiration, not just to women, but to anyone fighting against discrimination and injustice, taking Netflix head on being 80 years old!

[@nonopiralishvili6628]

I'm from georgia and it's a huge offence for her and for all georgians as well she is NOT Russian she's Georgian. Thanks for your support 💖

[@spindoctor6385]

If there is any sanity the lawsuit will fail. It was a fictional movie that mentions real people. Every real person mentioned in the movie could potentially sue for any detail that was not accurate.

[@spindoctor6385]

@That mighty Image I agree that she is probably justified to feel annoyed and maybe netflix will want it to go away, fling a few hundred K . Where does it leave creators if they want to reference any real person?

[@lastonestanding1449]

@@spindoctor6385 in novel it was said well but for "some reason" netflix changed that sentence to make it in favor of their main character to make her even more special. There was absolutely no need to change the original so rudely. Nonas whole legacy was to prove that men and women be equal in chess and they just shrugged it under the carpet by saying she was strong but never played men which was totally wrong since, as i said, her whole career she was trying to prove the equality

[@slimshady6242]

Tal : let's give my opponent some time so that we have a brilliant game Kasparov : let's hit the clock so hard that makes Yasser blunder

[@MrSupernova111]

Kasparov: Maybe if I cheat against Judit nobody will notice.

[@grunjaonbass9367]

hey agadmator we're watching you from india and we started playing chess only a few months ago not to compete just to understand, you have been very helpful and we really appreciate the effort you put in it! really changed my perspective towards chess.

[@HarshvardhanKanthode]

Trust in Agadmator and Samay to enlighten us about Chess 😇

[@SamuelPearlman]

If _I_ were playing Tal, I'd try to be on the attack as well. Tal's NOT the player where I'd want to sit back and say "Come at me, Bro!" :D

[@joshuaspector8182]

Because he will. And then you lose 😂

[@GiDaOne]

I would lose anyway but I get what you're saying :)

[@SrikanthChess]

Because he will

[@Obi-WanKannabis]

Karpov showed how to counter Tal pretty well. Karpov never lost a classical game to Tal.

[@Chodestick]

I can’t understand for the life of me why anyone would dislike Agadmator’s videos. They’re well made, professional and Antonio is extremely funny. My best guess would be the checkers community is angered that he is interested in chess and not checkers

[@sportsjefe]

Many of this video's specific dislikes, and you can see it in other comments, are of the belief that Nona has no case and/or this is just a money grab and, in one comment, "she should be happy to have been mentioned at all".

[@SamuelPearlman]

@@sportsjefe Booo on those people, she was a pioneer and there is a clear harm in the casual demeaning of her career by netflix, when there was no need to do so.

[@manjukhatri2339]

Most dislikes are misclicks

[@thesaint8567]

Chess is a deep game. Chess political lobbying is even deeper. What if botham pays ian to dislike? Will ian not do so?

[@moltenshard]

@@thesaint8567 ?

[@iturner1387]

Thank you so much for making this video Antonio. This isn't the first time you've come to the defense of women in chess. This sets you apart from many others in the community. Keep doing what you do.

[@SrikanthChess]

👍

[@Witchblade112]

Nona's right. Netflix should have either not mentioned her, used a fictional name or stuck to the book. Instead they very deliberately choose defamation.

[@trequor]

This is what modern feminism does: they erase history and replace it with their movie stars.

[@crazydragy4233]

@@trequor This has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with the centuries old tale of pompous states that have insufferable hubris.

[@trequor]

@@crazydragy4233 Tis what feminism is; a pompous system of power with insufferable hubris

[@crazydragy4233]

@@trequor Damn. Are you from America? (They're famous for failed education).

[@ketandhavle1007]

I always wondered that Tal's philosophy of taking the opponent in deep dark forest had something to do with having time advantage. Now I read comments, turns out he frequently let many people use his time. Nona is a fighter, Tal is a gift.

[@dimensionalblade2778]

Nope it means into a hell of confusion and chaos where the way out is only enough for one, which also means he hated draws. The newer GMs like Hikaru analyze the game and say that's a mistake and opponent was dumb to fall for that or not punish that. But the thing is he could smell draws from mile away and avoided them. It's like Tal brought a knife to gunfight but due to that deep dark forest of confusion the opponent even having a gun thought that he had no chance against Tal. And this is the non-peak Tal, Tal was at his peak against Botvinnik where he shows controlled best move chess that even engines have difficulty understanding it. Also among all players Bobby Fischer respected the most was Tal and it can clearly be seen Tal never really tryhard on any of his games. He won against peak Kasparov, 1 months before his death.

[@DeadBeatDanny]

For Netflix to say “this claim has no merit,” is shameful. Best wishes to Nona in her lawsuit

[@jologa84]

Mrs. Nona won the proceedings 🙏

[@TheHigherSpace]

I really miss the days where you did Tal games and Rashid games .. maybe you can redo some of them?

[@brendanleong9715]

I believe he’s showed all of the games that they’ve ever played, they met over the board 4 times and Tal had black every game. Could be wrong but I think agad has mentioned this

[@davey9090]

Yeah i miss when he focused more on classic chess games. But he still goes over a few occasionally. And he has sagas that seem to focus on old players

[@poopydroopydroopy]

@@brendanleong9715 i think he meant their games individually, not necessarily game’s between them.

[@guilhermeoliveirapinheiro8428]

They were the best. It was the tradition every time the channel reached another +100k subscribers…

[@keelanmurphy9941]

He's only shown one between Nezhmedinov and Petrosian, however, and it's probably my favourite game ever

[@roblarssen249]

It seems like Netflix had 3 reasonable options when making the show: (1) mention Nona by name and describe her accurately, as she is in the book, (2) use a fictionalized character with a different name and describe her how they want, or (3) don't mention her at all, because it's really a trivial detail and makes no difference to the plot. That's why it's so puzzling to me that they would use her real name but deliberately belittle her accomplishments. For millions of people who just watched the series, this is now the one "fact" they know about Nona Gaprindashvili, that she was "Russian" and had never played men, with the implication that she wouldn't have been a match against them like the fictional Beth Harmon was. Why do they have to put down a real female trailblazer to elevate a fictional character?

[@bschneidez]

Because they need women to be perpetually oppressed victims for their stupid gender politics. That's why

[@roblarssen249]

@@bschneidez ok incel

[@mahikannakiham2477]

@@roblarssen249 He agreed with you, virgin.

[@dwunastyczerwiec]

what is curious is why anyone felt they had to change the dialogue from the book. There is a sound reason to this legal action in my opinion. You can't tell something untrue about a real person in a film, that's how propaganda works

[@sportsjefe]

Minor note about that Lone Pine event: Larry Christensen (t-5th) is still playing and just got runner up this year in the U.S. Senior Championships, losing in a playoff to Gregory Kaidanov.

[@SrikanthChess]

Hm

[@escaperoomleander1948]

A spontaneous mistake is different from a scripted show, where you have time to research the script. That's why you use fake people and fake names, if you don't want to do any research, or if you don't want to get sued. If you use real names and real people, you need to get the facts right *unless* you've gotten permission from those people. Example: Bohemian Rhapsody is wildly inaccurate in many aspects...but the entire band had signed off on the movie, so no big deal. But with Queen's Gambit, you had an entirely fake story, then the moviemakers throw shade at an *actual person* by factually diminishing their accomplishments to make their fake character look better. Further, the movie makers can't blame the book, because they changed the text...to make the real player look worse. To compound things, Netfix callously disregarded the truth once it was brought to their attention when a fix was very easy and inexpensive: they could have put a disclaimer on all future viewings, or simply re-recorded one line of dialogue at a cost of a few thousand dollars. Instead, they said "screw you, we're Netflix, we're not changing it," thus earning a lawsuit.

[@Silversubs29078]

This^^^

[@SrikanthChess]

👍

[@dmitripogosian5084]

Exactly. Imagine you have a New York police drama, all fictional, and the cop throws a line 'Last year I have busted Mr Smith at such and such address for drugs'. And there is real Mr Smith living at that address .... Show will be sued and rightfully so.

[@escaperoomleander1948]

@@dmitripogosian5084 Mr. Smith sounds a little generic, but "Ms. Nona Dashkavidian is a pill-popping third grade teacher who molests her students" and one of the show's writers had Ms. Dashkavidian as their third grade teacher...that show could be in trouble.

[@dmitripogosian5084]

@@escaperoomleander1948 Yep, I was lazy with the name, so added that there was a specific address ( and a real one) :).

[@Alexander-zz7rh]

Thank you Agadmator for this❤️lot of people criticized her for no reason at all and your voice means a lot in the chess world. Thank you again❤️

[@SrikanthChess]

Agadmator awesome

[@ArgieHandle]

It was in this position Netflix resigned

[@galbrianthdsouza5308]

Lmao exactly

[@theepicfailguy127]

Oh boy I love chess related controversies

[@subhodeeeep]

"i literally don't care chat"

[@arkopravosarkar8136]

yeah cause they are very rare

[@turtleez7086]

since dewa kipas drama, i really miss this kind of chess drama, now netflix got sued

[@noahunuigbokhai5171]

Are u Nigerian

[@theepicfailguy127]

@@noahunuigbokhai5171 no obviously not

[@emmanueldiaz9375]

The reason for not mentioning Bobby is because the character of Beth Harmon was inspired by Bobby. Witnessing an American become one of the best chess players in the world, the author of the book was inspired to look at this world of chess from the lens of a woman in chess.

[@mburg33]

Then they should have made a show about Nona’s life and have her as executive producer of the show. Netflix didn’t need to gender-bend Bobby Fischer to make Woman look smart.

[@stanisawbenger3815]

Soooo... Basically fuck the actual bobbys legendary acheivements lets put a fictional wahman in there to steal his glory. Oh and lets deminish the achievents of an ACTUAL woman champion of the time that played men? Lmfao go screw yourself with that excusing netfucks bullshit

[@rics6035]

I know their feeling, it took me until i was 18 years old to know that Rocky was also fictional

[@johnwamsley1896]

Rocky the flying squirrel?

[@JosuaAndersonMarbun]

@@johnwamsley1896 i believe it was Rocky who once won the great snail race

[@MohammadIbrahim-sq1xn]

@@JosuaAndersonMarbun no Rocky the one boxing movie series

[@MrSupernova111]

Rocky Marciano is 100% real!

[@TransRoofKorean]

Oh, didn't expect Ken Regan's name on that list. He's a local guy. I hadn't expected him to trounce me so hard... but that's because I had no idea who he was before playing him. Ouch!

[@chriszod]

This video perfectly illustrates Agadmator's character

[@motsonelidze9]

Thank you From Georgia. Nona the GOAT

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

At 2:22 it looks like Nona is tied for first with 6 wins, 2 losses, and 1 draw. She had the most wins of anyone in the tournament. ✨❤️🔔❤️ ✨

[@giorgiargvliani2550]

Also nona is suing because they call her ,,russian player" and this is also not true. Nona is Georgian grand master and Russia was and still is occupant country 20 % of georgia is ocupated by russia now! Thank you for choosing this game agadmator ❤️ რუსეთი ოკუპანტია! 🇬🇪

[@RedKnight231]

In America , Russia and the Soviet Union has been commonly used interchangeably , however incorrectly . So a Soviet citizen would be referred to as being Russian , even though she's actually from what was at the time a constituent SSR .

[@sethmandel6834]

Thanks, Antonio! Entertaining content that adds to our vast knowledge. Who else on KZbin can contrast the quote from a Netflix series with the quote from the 1985 book on which it's based, and then throw in a little context from the 1976 book with direct quotes from the players involved? Your dedication to the history of the game and its players is much appreciated.

[@pakasokoste]

Well, to be fair, that book quote is found in news articles on the story. Easy to google and find. But obviously I agree with you on Antonio's great, detailed take on this.

[@jeremiahflintwinch2979]

And it was as of Episode 6, that we have a completely new lawsuit

[@SrikanthChess]

💯

[@rickharold7884]

Love it! Awesome player. Hey #suggestion do a few 960 games more often. It’s good to see non standard opening as they get old. I love it all but good to mix up. I don’t miss any of ur games. It’s my lunch hour entertainment. Thanks!

[@Ravill]

Im glad to see our legend on agadmators channel! Im from georgia and hearing georgian name feels good. And of course, tal was the beast, no doubt

[@vighnarajsarang2279]

He gives you a more clear picture rather than Netflix ❤

[@henningg.1687]

I have to confess that I did not know Nona Gaprindashvili before - so thanks a lot for the history lesson, it is very much appreciated!

[@inar684]

Chess game, display of character, topped up with a little book reading. This is your best video for certain people.

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah true

[@pariswithanf]

Tal is a fine fine gentlemen. A player of great manner and mind. And kudos to Nona for being such a good fighter considering the age she was playing!

[@virenmahawar6354]

Hello agadmator Thank u Because of you my rating went from 900 to 1500.

[@skunky_fink]

You comment the same thing every time

[@Sahil-du9ec]

@@skunky_fink because he's still at 1500

[@k-rodkev-dog7449]

@@Sahil-du9ec lmao

[@SrikanthChess]

Congrads

[@virenmahawar6354]

Nope Dropped to 1350

[@error-vf3te]

the other thing that wasn't mentioned in the video is that they called her Russian while in fact she was Georgian , and changing her nationality was also very humiliating . she is considered as a national hero here in Georgia and somebody who we are real proud of

[@a.m.armstrong8354]

Did the narrator not refer to her as Georgian?

[@nonopiralishvili6628]

@@a.m.armstrong8354 no she was mentioned as russian chess player

[@dmitripogosian5084]

I haven't seen the episode, but I read the offending quote on Canadian news, and it said (not verbatim) something to the extend 'Even in Russia, Nona did not play men'. Which actually did not mean that she was called 'russian' (given that the West tends to call Soviet Union 'Russia' for some reason)

[@error-vf3te]

@@dmitripogosian5084 no living in soviet union hadn't meant that you lost nationality and secondly she is recognised as Georgian champion and not Russian

[@davidjones88]

Agad, I wanted to comment to appreciate you explaining the situation clearly without bias and with great respect for Nona. My first thought when I read the headline was that it sounded a bit strange, but the clear difference between the series and the book, or indeed the series and real life, is a huge error of judgement for whoever wrote the screenplay, and is quite clearly disrespectful to the world's first female GM.

[@SrikanthChess]

👍

[@chessified_only]

Love this thing that you insight us on the subject first and then you go on with the game. 👏

[@SrikanthChess]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@emiller2ks]

i just have one question: why was there never a movie, or even a book, made about the life of nona gaprindashvili? we may never know if such a movie would have garnered as much or even more interest than the queen’s gambit did. i for one would purchase such a book and/or pay to see such a movie. 📚 🎥 🍿

[@SkyGodKazuha]

Because she is not conviniently pretty or looked like hollywood feminine girl.

[@jibarra85]

agadmator, i think you are one of the best KZbin chess analysis out there. I really appreciate your work, I enjoy your videos. Don't ever stop making them!!!

[@michaellorke1980]

"Tal was never much of a Queen-trader". So true, he might be one of the only players who sacrificed his Queen more often than he traded it XD

[@SrikanthChess]

True

[@Mihisara_fernando]

Wow just great content agadmator 🔥 this is the sportsmanship in chess

[@SrikanthChess]

👍

[@MAC0071234]

She definitely should go on with the lawsuit. This is the trend in hollywood, to belittle actual women and at the same time act as "saviours, protectors and promoters of women" when their actual goal always is money. Its a shame, that no one in the chess community caught on to this who reviewed the Queen's Gambit series, no one picked it up!!! Not you, magnus, hikaru, nigel short, chess24 commentators who talked about it during every game, NO ONE. Hikaru I remember had a whole episode dedicated to just some stupid comment made by Nigel Short about Beth Harmon (who is a freaking fictional character). Meanwhile the actual series had such a disparaging comment deliberately made about an actual woman that too such an iconic one, and again, no one picked it up. I am not shaming anyone or anything, just pointing out that an 80 year old had to file a lawsuit herself to get everyone in the community to notice it. Imagine if she was no longer with us, we would have never know. And the scumminess of the people at NETFLIX to deliberately put this comment BY CHANGING IT FROM THE ORIGINAL and use her REAL name and then to say they will "vigorously defend the case" just shows proves my point. They could have easily just used another name or even a similar sounding name (since the entire freaking series is fictional) like the japanese do with their football games, but they choose not to because they think they are too big for someone to sue. I hope it get resolved soon in here favor since she is really old and that everyone knows about her and her achievements and contributions to chess and women in chess.

[@cptnoremac]

The show didn't make a comment about her; some character did. It's not a crime to write in a character who says something incorrect.

[@proosee]

I agree with your points about Netflix, but shaming today's players they don't know story of top 15 national player from half a century ago is a bit of exaggeration. Surely, you can expect they know some games from top international tournaments of that period, but everything more is just a bonus. I bet Karpov would pick it up, but I believe he is not much into TV series, nor has much media exposure nowadays.

[@pphedup]

Nigel Short is beneath contempt. Did u hear that lately he was forced to let his wife park the car 😆

[@BaddAtom]

great vid my man! thanks

[@NoobKid77]

I guess she's got a point. I figured when they mentioned her in the show that she's based on a real person. And I actually thought that her never facing men was a fact

[@rorschach775]

I thought that sounded ridiculous. How could she get good at a game dominated by male players if she is only playing women?

[@NoobKid77]

@@rorschach775 Because women are good at the game too?

[@georgesracingcar7701]

That’s why I think (from the perspective of someone who hasn’t watched the show) that this was deliberately put in by the writers to make the announcer seem sexist, to establish his character and that the room Beth is playing in is full of sexist people, thus upping the challenge and therefore the suspense. If the audience noticed what the above reply-er did, then they would know the statement is false, and thus Nona’s reputation is not being damaged. But that’s just a hypothesis that I can’t confirm or deny because I haven’t watched the show. (And side note: all information I have about the show is from anonymous internet users. Not entirely credible sources. So you and I should take all this information with a grain of salt.)

[@georgesracingcar7701]

@rorschach775

[@iChxai]

One of the most important part of that sue is that Netflix called Nona a Russian chess player, but actually she’s Georgian 🇬🇪 Russia has occupied 20% of our country and killed many innocent civilians during occupation, so for Georgian it’s the biggest insult to be called Russian.

[@nonopiralishvili6628]

❤️❤️❤️

[@crazydragy4233]

Honestly. Imagine if someone did smth like that to an American 'celebrity'. There's probably be a crowd with forks ready immediately lol

[@iChxai]

@@crazydragy4233 imagine if this happened to Kardashians. We would already have WW3 started 😂

[@littleblackpistol]

In the time period represented, Georgia was part of the Soviet Union, thus all under the banner of Russia and spoken of that way in the west. Just like Ukraine, the 'Stans, the Baltics etc. It would be historically inaccurate to describe them as anything other than 'Russian' for the time period, the Cold War. In a modern setting, it would obvious be different as all these regions are now independent nations.

[@avgoustinos2012]

To be fair they didnt call her russian exactly they said that in the soviet union exist other strong women players as well like nona(of course that sounds like they imply she is russian but its kinda true because back then it was the soviet union so it's not so easy to tell what the right way to address her would have been ) and since she played in many soviet union's championships(and won) and in chess olympiads as part of the soviet union's team its kinda complicated...but it's true that saying she never played men is an insult to her and i can understand where she is coming from.

[@ალექსანდრეგეთიაშვილი]

The reason Nona Gaprindashvili sues Netflix for 5 million dollars is not the only fact that ''she has never faced male players'', also Netflix mentioned her as a ''Russian'' chess player and that is definitely a BIG DEAL, she is from GEORGIA not from Russia.

[@AysarAburrub]

technically speaking, she was a Soviet, because neither Russia nor Georgia were sovereign countries at the time. But to Americans of that era, anyone from the Soviet Union was referred to as Russian

[@crazydragy4233]

Imagine if someone made a quip about Neil Armstrong like that. Would probably cause a riot. It's just big guys pissing on little ones as always.

[@_hangist]

The stories behind the games and the way you explain is cool.👍 🙏

[@SrikanthChess]

👍💯

[@SrikanthChess]

Very cool

[@russskidmore6893]

Cant throw shade at the lawsuit, not sure if 5 mill is the right amount ... but in a sense people are trying to profit off of accomplishments she achieved which they could not, hope she wins.

[@Nullifidian]

Considering that this was just one throwaway line in a mega-hit show, I doubt it's _The Queen's Gambit_ that needed to trade on Nona Gaprindashvili's name recognition.

[@Berserkerbaboen]

Reminds me of MARVEL TWO-IN-ONE ANNUAL #7 (1982). Thing of the FF is chosen as champion (cagefight) for Earth. Get's beaten to a pulp, and still fights on. As his spirit cannot be crushed, Earth is saved.

[@Tucnak2o0]

Great choice showing a defeat, it's even better than a game she had won as it shows her true fighting spirit, truly a wonderful master and shame that Netflix threw dirt at her like that when the book it's based on acknowledges her at least to some extent

[@nikolaygeorgiev3254]

nice name, sir

[@vincentred1870]

Awesome video, thank you!

[@ucha33]

#suggestion Please check out game Nona Gaprindashvili vs James Tarjan (1977). I believe it was played in the same tournament. it is really amazing game and nona talked about this in one of her recent interviews. She said that her opponent played that exact line against some other player before and it was novelty at that time, that game ended in a draw and after the game both tarjan and his opponent (both GM-s) agreed that position was a draw. Nona reached exact same position in the game against Tarjan and she found new idea over the board and eventually won amazing game. She sad that this tournament was one of the best in her career. I think lots of chess fans including you would enjoy the game and I would really appreciate if you make this video. Thank you in advance

[@tusiag467]

So glad to see this video on this channel. It is also worth mentioning that Nona Gapridashvili sues Netflix also for calling her 'Russian' in the show, when really she is Georgian.

[@AISlopForHumans]

"Except Bobby Fisher, for some reason" I can think of a few why Netflix wouldn't want to put him in...

[@johnchappell9232]

I don't know what you could mean. They should have given him the respect Due...😬

[@AISlopForHumans]

@@johnchappell9232 Netflix is run by

[@suitdruit435]

@@AISlopForHumans that tribe

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

I'd love to see a Nona Gaprindashvili series!

[@NadirAgha]

So, if the events on series were to be occured in 21th century, Netflix would have been ready to besmirch even Judit Polgar, just to make their main character appear special

[@michaelzubov5264]

Still, there is no women in Mikhail Chigorin's club; so they should not besmirch anyone.

[@NadirAgha]

@@michaelzubov5264 my comment has nothing to do with that

[@michaelzubov5264]

@@NadirAgha Oh, I understand: you mean that they would, not that they should. Sorry for misunderstanding, my poor English punishes me :)

[@notreal6032]

My second favorite chess channel!

[@TH-dg2mm]

I think when you're truly a master of chess (or anything) it stops being about winning and starts being more about pushing yourself to your own personal limits. Nona doesn't care if she times out or loses, she cares that she is playing in an situation that allows her to reveal her own potential.

[@MrZIONart]

Thank you for the video. I learned a lot

[@Enzo88991]

Since she is mentionned by name in the series I can understand why she would be pissed off by the comment saying that she has never faced men (not sure if the slight is worth 5 millions, but why not). Perhaps it would have been better not to mention her at all. In this fictional version of chess, the main character has two hats, so to speak: first american to challenge the russians (and for that reason, Bobby Fisher, one of the few chess players along with kasparov famous enough to be known even by non players, must be erased), and first woman to challenge a game dominated by men (which could justify Nona Gaprindashvili being left out for the sake of the story.) I loved the series and I've got nothing against fictious stories set in realistic worlds (this is art, after all), but when you start naming names you have certain responsabilities.

[@trollking202]

Worth 5 million as the series is very popular and 30 million people at 10 dollars subscription is 300 million and even taking 1% at face value she could claim for 3 million and more

[@demetrematskhonashvili5556]

It's not about money! At first she demanded a correction of the mistake and an apology, the negotiations lasted for about 7 months, but Netflix recently refused to do so, after which they left no other way than Nona to defend her name in court.

[@GP-qz6kk]

@@demetrematskhonashvili5556 where did you get details of the negotiations?

[@demetrematskhonashvili5556]

Georgian news - from her lawyer

[@GP-qz6kk]

@@demetrematskhonashvili5556 thanks

[@rawdaaljawhary4174]

It's so interesting to place Nona in history. I knew she was a badass and formidable player, but I didn't know that she crossed paths with familiar names like Yasser Seirawan, Mikhail Tal, and Samuel Reshevsky. It seems like women's history is often an aside to the rest of history when in fact all the players' journeys are intertwined and happening at the same time.

[@Isthatthegrimreaper170]

Why not feature more games on Nona? A Nona series would be super interesting

[@AlanIanke]

Agree

[@GeorgeKarala]

I wish iwas that boring player

[@Tristen501]

That dialogue is beautiful!

[@BuggatiWeryon]

Please show the other game too against Spassky 🙃

[@J.J.J.J.J.J.J]

You showed this game because she was offered a. Draw before and during the game, which is similar to Queen's Gambit

[@deepakdavid4328]

Tal game after a longtime…thanks

[@dronedruid153]

High praise from Fischer there in the quote above the board. I'd never heard the full quote before or if I had, not remembered.

[@oliverxhmll]

Fischer denied making that remark about women. I was interested in this quote so did some research: "Only one problem with this news report: From page 158 of A Legend on the Road by John Donaldson (Milford, 2005): Fischer denied making the remark. The remark was an invention from Ralph Ginzburg's own perversity and was later sued by Barry Goldwater, which landed Ginzburg in court and Goldwater successfully collecting thousands USD in defamatory libel-damages." It was most likely a set up by the soviets who saw teenage Fischer as a threat. After that remark was printed, they wanted to possibly embarrass him by challenging him to play the strongest Russian female player

[@MrSupernova111]

What are you talking about? There is youtube footage with Fischer stating the quote on the top of the screen. He can deny it all he wants but we know he said it.

[@rhwing5095]

Lol, as usual, blame it on the Russians somehow, anyhow

[@Gorgoj]

"Mikhail Tal is my favorite player of all time" ill never believe you, ive been watching Tal on your top right corner all this time, but i think you have another favorite player.

[@jamesieboots99]

Could you make a Nona saga in her honor? I love her playing style! I saw your video a year and a half ago of hers, and I studied a lot of her games afterwards. She is definitely one of the greats!

[@Lasha_Sharabidze]

@Ashutosh Aggarwal so ,who is Mr's Nona, tile-maker? She is five time world champion. And her rating was very high in her era. If you want videos about men's world champions ,say it directly.

[@DaevorTheDevoted]

Great suggestion. I'd *love* to see games with her fighting spirit!

[@mariuszbal1779]

This why Your Chanel is the best on the KZbin. You are putting story behind chess - and thanks to this Your chess are more interesting. Thank you 👍😍✌️💪🤩🖖🐮🌻🌞⭐️

[@chessstudent8797]

Feel free to pause the video and win back the pride of Nona. So those who are able to it, congratulation for finding the only move to retake the pride of Nona and that is suing Netflix. And in this position, chess enthusiast agreed that Nona is a mighty well known player and Netflix resigns.

[@lp4969]

Netflix lawyers will get a morphy head for the trial

[@SrikanthChess]

👍

[@xyzct]

Wow, that was fascinating. Thank you very much.

[@SrikanthChess]

👏👏👏👏👏

[@stuart4860]

chess is one of the few games where men and women should compete evenly, there are no physical advantages in chess its just a battle of the minds.

[@michaaskawiec8794]

Yet, it doesnt work like that, funny isnt it?

[@dark_rit]

@@michaaskawiec8794 It does work like that though. Being the strongest chess player doesn't mean you can get a really good marathon time or something, it simply means having the mental capacity to make the best moves in a match to have the best winning chances.

[@Soutfast]

The differences are not only physical. For example men have an advantage in spatial reasoning. Hormones also affect things like drive, motivation etc mental factors.

[@astroNexx]

There is zero obstacles to women competing in top tournaments, or a world championship level. The problem is that there are no women that are good enough in chess to compete with top players. Unlike in other sports there are no gender limits in chess, just sheer competition

[@abdullahimran4624]

im sure eventually it will. The reason men seem to have an advantage is that chess was a 'mans game' for millennia now and has only recently been played by women. To get incredible women in chess you would need many many times more women to even play chess in the first place. Despite what this comment section is saying there is nothing inferior about the mind of women. this imbalance is most likely a result of sample size. When more and more women start playing chess, we will find more and more amazing chess players who happen to be women.

[@gamemak0r]

I'm glad you brought this to light

[@kirbymarchbarcena]

Nona wanted a check, mate!

[@MrDannyg77]

Damn. I’m so old I know all the names of players in that tournament table shown. 😢

[@JuanRodriguez-im6ul]

Any person who refuses a draw and earns the respect of Tal deserves her 5 million dollars. And God knows Netflix can spare them, so I'm with her

[@ninturmanidze3270]

She is an extraordinary player and she deserves all the glory! this game outlined her true character and I loved it thank you. And about the case, I believe that women with this history and mindset is a very different individual, her pride stands much higher than all the money in the world. So it is quite normal that she was offended by the tv show, in order to make the show's main character look more heroic producer decided to disgrace the real champion, real person this is beyond unfair. She shall get what she deserves!

[@HCaulfield115]

You do realize the show is FICTION(Not true) and the line literally took up 10 seconds of 6+ hr mini series.

[@SrikanthChess]

I also ♥️ it

[@donalhughes9881]

Gaprindashvili is right to remind the US film industry that history matters, reality and truth matter, and it's time they stopped overwriting history to give Americans the delusion that they are always the good guys. There are enough real US achievements. They need to learn humility towards what others have achieved, including nationalities they like to vilify.

[@jaredcarlston7072]

I'm sure it was just a silly mistake that certainly meant no harm. And one that certainly does not and will not warrant a 5 million dollar payout. That's just laughable. And the only countries America vilify are the ones they should like Russia, China, and part of the Middle East who are responsible for massive human rights violations right now in 2021.

[@donalhughes9881]

@@jaredcarlston7072 Nationalists vilify others but also fabricate a false image of their own country. The extreme human rights violations by the US just since WW2 have been enormous (Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia, Philippines, .... up to today in Latin America). All to impose crony capitalism on the world. The Cold War was fought to crush third world attempts to break free of imperialism. Look at all the peasants the US has bombed into submission. Stop believing the lies you are told. Start insisting on truth.

[@jaredcarlston7072]

@@donalhughes9881 I'd love to hear about those human rights violations committed on those countries... literally every country you mentioned the US has poured millions of dollars in to try and help. There's a reason citizen's of those countries are trying to flee to the US as we speak... Wesley So as the number 1 example coming from the Phillipines. Yet China currently has concentration camps full of Muslims... educate yourself and quit blaming the US for everything. Like I said, there's a reason people from 90 percent of the world's countries try and immigrate to the US...

[@petaravramovic966]

when I saw this video few days ago, I wanted to watch the queen's gambit series and now, when I finished, I am watching video.

[@bims4575]

It's hard to believe that agadmator is the second biggest KZbin channel even though he seems to be like someone that only you watch and makes you feel like you're being directly spoken to

[@kaitoti21]

who cares about numbers

[@paulharris2331]

Has the guy who sucks off hikaru beaten him in subs? :/

[@jamalbagwan8310]

For the first time i watched agad's video in normal speed

[@Tesomanjarvi]

That Fischer quote was from when he was 17 xD the interview has not aged well, he did change his opinion later on! :P Nice game, waiting on that Alekhine saga and the possible Tal vs Botvinnik rematch :3

[@henrymccue2922]

Did he change his opinion? I would be very happy to see that, what's the source?

[@sabakakulia4961]

@@henrymccue2922 he has like 3 interviews its in one of them he says that nona is a strong player

[@sabakakulia4961]

@National Socialism no nona is a gm there is zero chance of that happening. Bobby beating an other gm with knights odds

[@DantesInferno96]

@National Socialism that battle of the sexes match happened because the man in question had himself bet on his own loss and when he did lose he got a lot of money. It was ridiculous, pointless and a waste of time for all.

[@Tesomanjarvi]

​@@henrymccue2922 Check out the Dick Cavett show w/Bobby, its on KZbin :)

[@StevenStJohn-kj9eb]

Great video. Love the videos where Agad quotes some chess history. My vast knowledge is increased.

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah brother, thar are useful

[@TruthLivesNow]

Nona Gaprindashvili is still alive? She was the Woman World Chess Champion when I was in High School. During her career Gaprindashvili successfully competed in men's tournaments, winning amongst others the Hastings Challengers tournament in 1963/4. She tied for second place at Sandomierz in 1976, tied for first place at Lone Pine in 1977, and tied for second at Dortmund in 1978. Her performance at Lone Pine made her the first woman ever to earn a norm for the title of International Grandmaster. Although she did not achieve all of the norm requirements, she became the first woman to receive the International Grandmaster title from FIDE in 1978. - Wikipedia Antonio, good for you bringing this up!!!!

[@AlexanderKrome]

Tal is such a gentelman, absolutly love it!

[@SrikanthChess]

Yeah brother