Age 67 Allegedly Fails in Senate

Mover and Gonky discuss the proposed mandatory retirement age change from 65 to 67 failing in the Senate. www.reuters.com/world/us/us-l... Subscribe to @themoverandgonkyshow to watch LIVE every Monday at 8PM ET or to see full episodes of The Mover and Gonky Show. Clips will exclusively be posted there soon! Every Monday at 8PM ET, Mover (F-16, F/A-18, T-38, 737, helicopter pilot, author, cop, and wanna be race car driver) and Gonky (F/A-18, T-38, A320, dirt bike racer, author, and awesome dad) discuss everything from aviation to racing to life and anything in between.
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[@CWLemoine]

It may not be dead yet. Senator Lindsey Graham proposed adding it back days after this live show was filmed. It may not have the support to make it. We will see.

[@dougrobinson8602]

67 should be mandatory retirement for the senate.

[@CWLemoine]

Agreed. Term limits also.

[@buffdelcampo]

@@CWLemoine It should be like jury duty. One term and look forward to going back to your job.

[@johndeanjdsvihovic8490]

If you are too old to fly a plane at 67 then you shouldn't be in Congress or the President running the country!! And another reason for TERM LIMITS!!

[@CWLemoine]

Agreed.

[@genova2006]

Kennedy had his brain chewed on by worms. Still running for pres. 🤣

[@minuteman3]

Who else sees the irony of a bunch of septuagenarians, and octogenarians in Congress setting laws about when someone should retire.

[@Delatta1961]

I’m a retired military and Commercial pilot, and with such close scrutiny given to the pilots both physically and mentally, there’s absolutely no reason the limit age should be 70. I retired at 62 because of medical reasons not because of age. There’s so much institutional knowledge going out the door, it’s ridiculous

[@CWLemoine]

The FAA Class I standards are anything but “close scrutiny.” And that is the counter argument. If you raise the limit, do you raise the standards and disqualify younger people too?

[@boblivingston4841]

@@CWLemoine Pilots over 65 have been flying corporate jets and large airliners for many years that are not part 121.

[@Alicatt1]

I'm 67 - for another month, this year I have started training in seamanship and am progressing to get my yachtmaster's ticket, I have my ticket for coastal and inland waters for boats up to 10m, the radio exam was straight forward and as a radio ham no problem at all. As my mother said at 73: "Inside I'm 16, I am just housed in this wrinkly shell" 😀 a few months later she passed away from cancer. Not a pilot, I was rejected for pilot training in the RAF for a physical medical reason, but have flown for my own pleasure, just not able to make it a career. So at 67-68 should I be looking for a new career as a politician???

[@TXHusker05]

Age is such an arbitrary metric. We have all seen 40 year olds who are clearly not physically or mentally capable of doing the job and 70 year olds that are sharp as a tack and more fit than I have ever been. I would rather see the baseline standards be raised and then evaluate from there but neither side wants that to happen. Speaking of things that will never happen, the FAA rolled back the implementation of the new rest and fatigue rules for ATC. ATC is under-staffed, over-worked, and most major facilities have mandatory overtime but god forbid controllers get 10 hours off between shifts instead of 8 and 12 hours off before working the backside of the clock shift. Not like there has been a string of close calls at the country’s busiest airports or anything. I never fully appreciated how stressful being a controller was until I had the chance to arrange a tour and spend a shift shadowing a controller at a very busy international airport. By the end of that shift I felt like I needed the first cigarette of my life and I had no responsibilities whatsoever. I was just hanging out and listening. Spending a shift shadowing ATC should be mandatory for a PPL or ATP. I left that tower with a completely different point of view about aviation than I had when I entered it.

[@deanwilliams433]

If the senate and congress adopt the same mandatory age for themselves I would support this.

[@hellacali1]

This thumbnail 🤣 Poor Gonky 👴

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Will you still feed me, will you still need me, when I am sixty-four? 😀

[@Sometungsten]

My take on the age issue that no one talks about is rapid onset. I am 67 now and have known several seniors who have passed. One day they are healthy and alert, two weeks later their skin is nearly translucent and two weeks after that they are gone. I have already experienced a rapid onset of osteoarthritis. In two months I was barely able to walk. 121 & 135 pilots and controllers over 61 or 62 should be receiving a full physical every two months and the 65 rule should remain.

[@user-zc4wk3sc2o]

I agree we do know the limits, as you said. That said, are you suggesting everything should remain status quo until you retire, or just the age you can fly to?

[@CWLemoine]

It should remain at age 65.

[@boblivingston4841]

@@CWLemoine Until you want to make an extra 600K.The age 60 rule was made by the CEOs of the major airlines in the late 1950s.Before that pilots had no mandatory retirement age.There where late 60 and 70 year old pilots flying DC-7 and Connies.Those aircraft where a lot more complicated and harder to fly then todays jets.The 60 rule was to get rid of the senior pilots that made the most money.There has never been any study that was done, they just picked a number.Most pilots retiring now went through B-scale wages, stagnant pay in the 1990s.Then large pay cuts after 911,then bankruptcies followed by stolen pensions.Then mergers and lost seniority.Just when the good new contracts happen we have to retire.

[@tht1drnkrussian]

Thumbnail 🤣

[@karlbrundage7472]

I haven't flown on a commercial carrier in more than 30 years. When did "assigned seating" go away? I always purchased a ticket and actually selected the seat that I would be flying in at the travel agent's office, months before the flight. If I was booking for the family, we always booked the seats adjacent to me. When did this change and why?

[@INOD-2]

There is still assigned seating on most airlines. I just flew to the UK and back on Delta, (two flights each way because couldn't get a non-stop,) and we chose our seats on all four flights when we bought the tickets. Southwest Airlines used to have open seating---you boarded the plane and then picked whichever seats available you wanted. Haven't flown SW for years, so don't know if they still do that. When we bought our tickets on-line, Delta showed us a chart of the seats still open on that flight to choose from. But if you are a family of five, for instance, and wait until a few weeks before a flight to buy tickets, you will have a tough time finding 5 seats close together. Most flights are FULL these days, and the airlines are trying to keep them that way by only offering the minimum number of flights.

[@karlbrundage7472]

@@INOD-2 Good info, thanks

[@nuhomusic9343]

Hey Mover, remember to include the great country of Turkiyeyes KAANs second flight in the next show😂

[@briantaylor6562]

I don't want people that old flying an aircraft that I'm riding in, PERIOD!!!!!

[@garyradtke3252]

How about someone 20 years older flying the country AND has the sole power to launch nuclear missile strikes? I don't have a problem with the age, it's the cognitive state I am concerned about. There have been a few hail Mary plane saves over the past and I would bet most of those pilots where in the upper age bracket for pilots. If I am hiring a guy to run a foot ball a young age would definitely be in the consideration. But, flying a plane I first want experience over age.

[@NSAdonis]

George Carlin: "A collision is a near miss!"

[@user-zc4wk3sc2o]

Great show gentleman. However, your age definitely shows. When you are closer to retirement and if still healthy and enjoying your flying, you will not have the same attitude by having your flying and life taken away. What makes it more unpalatable, is a number of those preventing you from continuing what was in many cases was a dream, are much older than 65.

[@CWLemoine]

Was it 60 when you got in? We sign up knowing there’s a limit. Poor planning on someone else’s part does not change that.

[@user-zc4wk3sc2o]

@@CWLemoine

[@user-zc4wk3sc2o]

No, I flew for 45 years and retired a 777 captain. For some, it may be poor planning. For many like myself they just love flying.

[@CWLemoine]

It’s a seniority based system and you know the limits when you sign up. You can still fly after you retire, just not 121.

[@warrentrout]

If that's not age discrimination, what is! Make a real physical and you have to quit when you can't pass.

[@CWLemoine]

You have to be 23 to get your ATP. Is that also age discrimination?

[@indy500tabasco8]

👽👽👽👽🌎👽👽👽👽

[@Techlax43]

Imagine being forced to retire because of safety concerns of your age to do your job. BUT…. you can literally die in elected office if you want to. The hypocrisy is astounding.

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

Well, there have been several cases of pilot dying inflight. I do remember one in our airline, it was a cardiac arrest due to abnormality that could not be screened. The pilot was fifty-five years old. I would be more conserned about one pilot crew than prolonging the mandatory retirement age. You know, holding medical certificate at hight age is almost a miracle anyway.

[@paperburn]

@@JanNovak-pg8oe There are cases where congress person have passed out and later died while on thefloor

[@JanNovak-pg8oe]

@@paperburn Given the long list of US presidents, has any died in office? Not of assasination?

[@mikeadams1647]

Instead of an age limit, how about a BMI limit. I would rather have a 65 yr old pilot that runs marathons than a 45 yr old pilot at 350 lbs on high blood pressure and pre diabetes drugs.