AoE2 player. Unfortunately a lot of us are very not jazzed about the new DLC. It'd been described as a "campaign focused" expansion, but these were standalone scenarios. They knew campaigns are a lot more popular than an other random collection of scenarios but either cause they didn't have any campaigns to share, or it was cheaper to upcycle scenarios from mods, they just tried passing off what they had, which wasn't campaigns, as campaigns. Also I guess the AoE3 players are upset cause the "DLC announcement" turned out to be showing off two flags. Even AoM was promised to be going "behind the scenes" but instead we got super cringe AR and maybe 20 seconds of some background footage, where you could see a few glimpses of things. Basically they wanted a big franchise-wide event, but had basically nothing to share, so they figured they'd lie to the community to hype us up and just hoped and prayed we would notice the deceit. An absolute abomination of an event.
@chadcowman62936 ай бұрын
The whole thing confused me. I just went into the official discord to ask randoms what was announced. Saves me hours of research and investigating what the devs were talking about
@Frankjoly176 ай бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are some conflicts between the cons department, the development teams and the corporate side at Microsoft. There doesn't seem to be a lot of cohesion there.
@davidlubkowski71756 ай бұрын
They shoulda at least shown screenshots if not a trailer
@bigbroarivus6 ай бұрын
Marketing 1: we gonna show you what we have for AoE3 Marketing 2: 🤲 🚩🚩 Marketing 1: now we go to AoE4
@LivinExtreme6 ай бұрын
Official age of empires mobile looks exactly like a age of empires knock off. They probably acquired a company who already had a knock off empire game and renamed it.
@JimCullen6 ай бұрын
That's almost exactly what happened. They didn't acquire it, but they have partnered with a company that released a game to the Chinese market called Return to Empire. I haven't seen anyone in the English speaking community actually break it down, but it sounds like from what we've seen, the expectation that this is a reskin and maybe slight tweak of that game.
@infamia_aoe49656 ай бұрын
@@JimCullenreturn to empire was actually a game World Edge ASKED Timi to Make , they saw it had success in china and then they decided to literally separate Return to Empire to Kingdom Arise and then Kingdom Arise into Age of Empires Mobile, all of these three games are all asked to do by Microsoft aka, they are licensed so theyre not a knockoff.
@infamia_aoe49656 ай бұрын
And yes theyre are three completely different games
@Tempires6 ай бұрын
@a_aoe4965 Kingdom Arise was just beta of Age of Empires Mobile limited to certain countries just like Dawn of Kingdoms.
@WiggaMachiavelli6 ай бұрын
The conspiracy theorist in me thinks the AoE3 civ reveal clip was recorded in advance of them actually being told what the civs were. Nothing about the video or script was civ specific; you could change the flags and it would work the same. So is it possible that the devs haven't even started work on the new expansion yet and only decided what civs they were making at the last minute?
@DuVtrell6 ай бұрын
WE doesn't understand this franchise or its player base. Until that changes the frustrations and cringe will continue. Also, until now it was 3DE players screaming into the void about this.
@DeanFWilson6 ай бұрын
I agree that the coverage for AoM:R was so bad, especially given they already had Steam screenshots and a description up, and later interviews with more details. They should've included those and had some dev interviews. It was such a disappointing stream. The augmented reality thing should have been an extra, not the main (and only) event. I also agree that just getting the flags for AOE3 was really disappointing (as that's one of the games I'm looking forward to most). The games I'm least interested in are AOE:Mobile and AOE2, so this event was mostly a letdown for me.
@klavicus22766 ай бұрын
Nicely worded.
@JimCullen6 ай бұрын
I was so disappointed by AoE Mobile, from what we saw in the stream and in Noob's exclusive preview. Like you said, it looked exactly like all of those terrible knock-offs that have been around for years. I was hoping-and even _expecting,_ considering how well World's Edge had managed the franchise with the DEs and AoE4 so far-for something different from that. I was expecting something that really felt like an AoE experience on your phone. But instead we got…whatever the hell that was.
@OrientalSniper6 ай бұрын
World's Edge should contract Relic's marketing/community department!
@bigbroarivus6 ай бұрын
Why? DoW3 marketing was cringefest, when AoE4 released they did not much improve in presenting it
@OrientalSniper6 ай бұрын
@@bigbroarivusThey've improved A LOT, take a look at their dev diaries and monthly updates.
@lopsidedfluff64956 ай бұрын
hit the nail on the head with this video. As an aoe 3 fan very disappointed with about 15 seconds of screen time with just two flags not even a name or release date or any info. I'm keen for mobile but afraid its just going to be like all those other rise of kingdoms or rise of empires mobile games. Having also never touched aom the broadcast didn't really pull me in but after seeing the steam pictures it actually looks sick so I agree why not show of your cool new game and build lots of hype while you have the audience. Overall the stream was quite disappointing.
@quasibrodo9236 ай бұрын
Yeah for aoe2 the "campaign focused" dlc contained 0 campaigns. They're now just outright lying to us. I won't be supporting Victors and Vanquished or any other future aoe2 content. As a matter of principle I don't pay full price to people who lie to me.
@EllamWideblade6 ай бұрын
I like that I get to buy Age of Mythology a fourth time...
@le4-6776 ай бұрын
U luv it
@FitzBro6 ай бұрын
Bet you won't
@EllamWideblade6 ай бұрын
@@FitzBro the article was more impactful than the rough stream they put on.
@klavicus22766 ай бұрын
Well to be honest: better bad marketing and a good game, than good marketing and a bad game - which is wayyyyy to common the past years for whatever reason
@LivinExtreme6 ай бұрын
Can somebody tell me, is AOM a simple graphic improvement from the original or is there something more to it?
@JimCullen6 ай бұрын
We know that there are some gameplay changes: reusable God Powers, Titans walking on water, myth unit powers are micro-able instead of automatically triggering, population cap increasing. But we don't know the full extent of gameplay changes or what else they might be doing.
@aaltra1016 ай бұрын
The usual : same game, small changes, new graphics, new game mode that no one want nor ask for. And that'll be 45$.
@dubya856 ай бұрын
strong wahmens?@@JimCullen
@warr396 ай бұрын
yes its gonna be woke, unfortenly@@dubya85
@klavicus22766 ай бұрын
Not the usual for the most part at least. And honestly to push AoM franchise and it’s genre I would ay 45 bucks in an instant. Especially when see games for like 70-90 dollars now and DLCs for like 40 dollars or 20 with the content of a 10 dollar dlc. I would without a thought pay 45 bucks and maybe even 60 if it helps AoM and the fantasy RTS genre
@raquetdude6 ай бұрын
Reason for not picking an AoE content creator is that it wouldn’t show bias between them right? Agree the screen within screen part was odd. AoE3: Think they should have least showed the home cities of one of the civs. Likely just to build hype. AoE4 yeahh almost nothing, they needed to show that it was at the red bull event. AoM yeah they needed to show some of the screenshots, the info regarding AoM we got from the stream was great. They didn’t shoot themselves in the foot rather they did hit the bullseye just the edge of the target. Hopefully these become yearly and this was just their first attempt.
@ceppatore74836 ай бұрын
Yeah twich streamers are much more expert then these ones.....next time i dunno wait for such event
@spectrallogic6 ай бұрын
It was very unprofessional. Welyn is entertaining, but has almost nothing to do with AoE. The only thing I disagree with you about is the AoE mobile part. I think starting with that Chinese guy makes sense if he is the producer. I just wish there was more transparency about how the gameplay works and how it's different from return to empire (aoe game in China that looks weirdly similar)
@DanielMescoloto6 ай бұрын
how can they present that bad with some amazing content coming. I've seem amazing presentations for really bad games, but a terrible presentation for a really good game already loved (AoM) is the first time
@FitzBro6 ай бұрын
It's baffling
@StanHalen4206 ай бұрын
NOU!
@t3ngristtt6 ай бұрын
totally agree. whole thing was complete shit. i was expecting new campaigns or at least remake of old kings campaigns with better gameplay longer missions and accurate history for aoe2 or smt like that. for aoe 4 i as expecting new proper civs like spanish or koreans etc. but everything they brought in was complete shit, typical microsoft overhype for nothing. very pathetitc
@quasibrodo9236 ай бұрын
weird you were expecting new "campaigns" from the "campaign focused" dlc. yeah they lied to us. Apparently they have no respect for our community.
@richardmcdonald19606 ай бұрын
I don’t understand how people play AOE2 still, I understand the game play is fun for yu but it looks like shit!
@guilhermediascoelho38303 ай бұрын
Aoe4 looks like shit
@StefanHighlights-InquisitorOvh6 ай бұрын
Instead of trash titles like this. There should be support for 20 year old game. Ppl should be happy they are willing to even do this.
@quasibrodo9236 ай бұрын
Yeah for aoe2 the "campaign focused" dlc contained 0 campaigns. They're now just outright lying to us. I won't be supporting Victors and Vanquished or any other future aoe2 content. As a matter of principle I don't pay full price to people who lie to me.
@PhotonTrooperGaming6 ай бұрын
Sadly, even though I consider Filthydelphia one of the best map designers around, I think that it was a big letdown not delivering what people wanted and expected: Actual campaigns, probably with Vikings, Japanese or Koreans... Not good. I will buy maybe on sale to show support, but I can see why people will not buy it
@Tempires6 ай бұрын
Historical battles are kinda campaign. it is just different use of words for single player content. Not sure what the complaint here is.
@quasibrodo9236 ай бұрын
@@Tempires A campaign is a set of multiple scenarios played sequentially with some sort of unified narrative. The Ghengis Khan campaign contains six scenarios. Scenarios are sometimes also called missions or even levels in the context of a campaign. Each historical battle is a single scenario. If a single scripted scenario was a campaign then you'd look on the steam page for DE, and it'd say it offered 16 new campaigns, not 3. And just to put it to bed, no I don't think historical battles, collectively is campaign. To be a total dork google defines "campaign" as "an organized course of action to achieve a goal." There is no collective goal and the course of action is not organized. Historical battles are a collection of scenarios but not a campaign. MS seems to agree because on the steam page for V&V there is no mention of an "additional" campaign or a "V&V campaign" etc. Additionally if any arbitrary collection of scenarios can be considered a campaign, then there are functionally infinite campaigns cause Ghengis 1, Saladin 2, Barbarossa 3, Joan of Arc 4, Atilla 5, and El Cid 6 can now be considered a campaign under this erroneously broad definition. Why can't a scenario then be part of mutliple campaigns? Just go through the combinatorics of however many scenarios are in the game. So yeah MS is trying to be revisionist with the definition of campaign, but it just doesn't work. It's kind of like a novella is a short novel, and five or six novellas telling the same story sequentially could be considered a novel if packaged together, but a collection of unrelated novellas isn't a novel. It's just a collection of novellas. Even if there are a novels worth of words, it does not a novel make. There are more criteria to what constitutes a novel than word length. I could copy random sentences from wikipedia articles and so long as it was at least 50k words, say I had a novel. It's the same thing. They think they're being clever when actually they're just lying to us.
@PhotonTrooperGaming6 ай бұрын
@@Tempires There is a difference, small but there is. A campaign or a scenario can be focused on a civ, historical moment or personalities, true. But campaigns are "divided" adventures, set in a chronological order, tending to scale in complexity. Standalone scenarios are also highly appraised in our community, specially the excellent ones by Filthydelphia which already got thousands of downloads, but in this case I believe that people wanted to play with certain popular civs 6 or 5 times in a campaign. Dawn of The Dukes are the ones that landed particularly well and I believe that devs could expect the reaction. Said all of that, I will buy this DLC sooner or later. Most likely later.