Age of Sigmar 4: Seraphon Faction Pack 2024 - Full Review

[@JohnnyTightIips]

"Clever girl" - my opponent after I teleport 6 buffed aggradons 9" behind his lines.

[@raiderxs1570]

Legit did this against my friends gargant before and he asked how many attacks xD

[@Fortunes.Fool.]

0:00 Intro 1:15 Battle Traits 7:31 Realmshaper Engine 10:32 Battle Formations 13:43 Heroic Traits 15:44 Artifacts of Power 17:54 Spells: Lore of Celestial Manipulation 20:36 Spells: Lore of Primal Jungles 23:23 Kroak 28:53 Slann (Skip to here for your autoinclude) 32:32 Skink on Troglodon 35:15 Old Blood on Carnosaur 37:43 Scar Vet on Aggradon 40:00 Skink Starseer 41:44 Skink Starpriest 42:54 Terradon Chief 44:06 Ripperdactyl Chief 45:53 Stegadon Chief 48:29 Astrolith Bearer 50:01 Scar Vet on Carnosaur 50:39 Saurus Oldblood on foot 51:41 Aggradon Lancers (Skip to here for your other autoinclude) 54:20 Saurus Warriors 55:55 Saurus Guard 56:46 Skinks 58:07 Spawn of Chotec 1:00:58 Raptadon Chargers 1:02:27 Raptadon Hunters 1:03:52 Hunters of Huanchi with bolas (the ones you take) 1:06:23 Hunters of Huanchi with dartpipes (the other bits in the in box) 1:07:37 Terrawings 1:08:44 Bastilidon with Ark of Sotek 1:10:53 Bastilidon with Solar Engine 1:12:15 Terradon Riders 1:14:32 Ripperdactyl Riders 1:16:23 Stegadon 1:17:40 Engine of the Gods 1:19:38 Kroxigor Warspawned 1:21:48 Kroxigor

[@dratesdragetes777]

I'm a guy who likes dinosaurs to some degree

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

The scales are in the balance

[@CoastalZugMek]

That fosho same here or for me as well they really go w/ my Heritage/Ethnicity. I am Mex.-American. But the whole Seraphon/Great Old ones goes off and biased on the Aztec, Mayan and Incas. Maybe some on Native American Tribes too.

[@thirdeyespirit7530]

@@CoastalZugMekdope! Jaj same here truly epic.

[@WarpstoneJunkie]

Every time Rob says Kroxigor “Warp-Spawned” a Grey Seer gets its horns.

[@pancakemogul]

It's unfortunate that every Seraphon player loves the concept of lizards riding dinosaurs, and every rules writer seemingly loves the idea of perched frogs waving their arms.

[@JohnnyTightIips]

I want an oldblood on a carnosaur to be double the points or more and as devastating as they are in the lore.

[@Armiesintoart]

I like frogs too

[@luke_smith262]

The scale joke got you an instant like and subscribe.

[@randymanmachosavage]

Quick shout out to my middle school history teacher for teaching us how to correctly pronounce coatl.

[@JohnnyTightIips]

I've heard all sorts but barely anyone says it "co-at-ul"

[@HanTyumi9]

Sure, there are numbers and game impact to consider when reviewing the Ark of Sotek, but you're forgetting the sheer joy caused by the mental image of a dinosaur releasing a giant box of snakes :)

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Oh I'm trying hard to forget that image

[@JohnnyTightIips]

Ark of the covenant but instead of ghosts and lasers, it's snakes :D

[@HanTyumi9]

@@JohnnyTightIips They can be both!

[@alphabetbeer]

Long live the Snek Button

[@DanielBlower-w9p]

Love the videos bud, my first impressions are; 1. Saurus warrior save buff needs an errata. 2. EoTG might be a good tech piece for nurgle/tzeench as its points arent too bad. 3. RIP astrolith bearer. 4. I want a seraphon-specific manifestation. 5. I think the carnosaur might be play better than we both believe. Kroxigor warspaned will be better in a list focused around them but the regular will suit a combined armed force better IMO. Overall i like what we got, some monsters are too expensive and i wish the asterism mini-missions were a tad more flexible. Looking forward to playing this edition and watching your vids.

[@TheStargateNerd]

What needs to be erratad about the Saurus Warriors?

[@DanielBlower-w9p]

​@TheStargateNerd the rule as written means it's impossible for a reinforced unit to get the save buff as each model needs to be on the objective. All it needs to be is the unit controlling it rather than all individual models.

[@GeneralPuni]

Regarding the engines, i think you could make a nice tarpit with 2 or 3 of them. Their cosmic engine isnt capped at once per turn army. So with a 3+ for a d3 heal, you could easily be healing each other each turn. Throw in a hero (like the troglodon) that has the etheral trait, and with the +2 health formation, you could be holding on for a while or hold up the opponent. Or put a engine next to a ark bastildon for it to be each each too.

[@hodges106]

This was my plan! If its not good, take more until it is haha

[@AlastairPaterson]

I’d probably run as much cavalry as possible as I think dinosaurs riding bigger dinosaurs looks cool as fuck and the rule of cool is arguably the best and most important rule in wargaming. Cheers for all your vids 👍

[@tannermccollum7060]

I have plans on getting into Warhammer and this is the faction pack I plan on getting first.

[@northstartaxadvice8251]

Somebody else said this in another video, the Skink riding the Trog is underrated. You can buff him to both ignore rend and heal an additional D3 every turn (on top of the D3 he already heals every turn), thus making him a very powerful anvil and range extender for Kroak or Slann.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

On 12 health that's not true but understand the idea

[@mitchellverstraate5756]

Could be 14 though with battle formation

[@mypointofview777]

It’s good but not enough. Weight of attacks will tip it over or they’ll ignore it and go kill kroak 💀

[@northstartaxadvice8251]

@@thehonestwargamerstreams He's a base 14 health with a 4+ save, so the plan would be put "being of the stars" and "incandescent retrices" on him, run him up with Aggradons right into combat, use the range extension from Slann to cast Empowered Celestite with the skink on one of the aggradon units, then watch the carnage. If he can get into combat, he gives a -1 to hit to up to 3 units on a 3+. I guess we'll see, I'm gonna run him and find out 🙂

[@HeartofAiur]

​@northstartaxadvice8251 did you run this combo? I was looking at something similar because the model is so cool.

[@Vosrik]

I'm a simple man I see dino, I upvote

[@nurglematthew893]

Nothing makes me happier than riding a dinosaur while slurping a chocolate shake!! Let's go, Grot Tango Gango! Nurgle Bless!

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Let's goo

[@vanrussell7772]

Ran some Hunters of Huanchi with Bolas in Shadowstrike formation and it was gross. They'd move to 10" shooting range, shoot, debuff the charge roll, then move 1d6 away which kept putting them out if max charge distance from their debuff target. I'm going to test Elthwins Thorns RoR. With their 3+ teleport, ability to move d6 after shooting in any turns shooting phase (covering fire), and ability to further debuff charges for every damage done seems like a good compliment to Shadowstrike formation lists

[@tyrannarorus]

Hi Rob! Just wanted to say a big thanks for all your AoS 4 content so far - as a long time 40k player looking to make the switch over its been incredibly helpful and I've been waiting for this Lizard Wizards video for a while! Apologies if I'm missing something obvious with this one - but for the Seraphon Spearhead is there a reason my Saurus Warriors don't have the Reinforcements ability when a lot of other Spearhead infantry do? Is the rest of the box good enough that they don't need it or something?

[@shittyspeedpaints1012]

The Itzl 'quest' seems really tricky to accomplish in smaller games.

[@Funnyshoot_]

Oldblood "I would put it at 200-220" GW: 330pts take it or leave it

[@piffling2238]

I have used kroak in a game and he did do work. That MW spell plus his ranged was really good. I did pair him with a troglodon for some extra coverage with a unit that can take a hit. Also a bit of a glowup you missed on the raptadon hunters is they can make a charge after the second attack from the deadly cohesion ability. This is different from 3.0 rules where they had not just stay back. It means a single group of hunters can just go in for some extra damage if needed.

[@NecroGoblin-yl2fx]

the Saurus warriors ability is bad atm. every model have to be on the objective and you have to control the objective. so it is hard to get a whole unit onto an objective. when adding control score it is to the unit not the model, so if we have a unit of 10 Saurus Warriors with 1 Control each, a Banner and we get 3 from Astrolith bearer, the unit have a Control of 14 in total.

[@otherdave2]

I loved the Good Place reference. Nicely done!

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@GeekySkippy]

Good review. Got a heavy Saurus and Krox list I’m taking to a tournament this weekend. Hopefully it punches as hard as I think it does.

[@mikelmazzi7978]

Did it? 🦖

[@GeekySkippy]

@@mikelmazzi7978 it did hit very hard. Only issue I had was I didn’t take enough fast units to do battle tactics. Brick of reinforced Kroxigors and reinforced Agradons slapped. I killed a lot but couldn’t score. I felt like my list was 90% there.

[@mikelmazzi7978]

I see, thank you for the feed back!

[@dalmont8099]

Quetzl is great against alpha strike. It's generally a choice between that or movement and then picking one of the other 2 later if you can.

[@josephhay5551]

Hey Rob, love the content but got a question? I think a Slann is an auto include in my 2k point list. He is a 3 cast wizard with a board wide unbind, but my LGS is starting a path of glory next week and worried he costs too much for 1k points. What do you think?

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

He's great cause you can do 3 manifestations from him which are still free

[@jamesguthrie9454]

I think "further the great plan" should also turn on if you meet the requirement by the start of tuen 4 or 5. It would give a bit more flexibility as it is a bit too restrictive right now. It would mean that you get more chances to complete the objective The slaan one would be unchanged, but the defensive one would be greatly improved.

[@Anjouvis]

Hell yes Rob, I've been waiting for this video. Great stuff!!!

[@blkjet117]

I want to have a Seraphon force that focuses on units with companions. Carnosaurs (really expensive now), Aggradons, and Raptadons.

[@darthkronos7458]

Great channel and one of the only one doing long form faction reviews for noobs.

[@Failerist]

A very good analysis, some good suggestion and of course great insight. Totally agreed on the WaRspawned Krox - not warp btw, we hate skaven as you know ! - have mind blowing potential although they do have some mediocre mobility if non existent ( we can work around it with the spells etc though )

[@bilobeutlin7400]

Hey, thanks for your content. Its the best Aos content on KZbin, in my personal opinion. One question: if i take the artefact for more Attacks on the Carnosaur, does it effect the companion weapons too, or is an artifact a ability too ?

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

No it won't effect the companion and thanks for the lovely comment

[@Elvings92]

Why is sotek the deliverer's ability orange? Does this ability also modify change movement distance?

[@Dennis3113]

But isn't it hard to deny a spellcast when you have no buff on your roll to do so. The Slans only have +1 on casting rolls and the asterism only buffs casting es well. i always felt at a disadvantage when the obr that i fought had their buffs also for their dispelling rolls and sop on.

[@JayzusKhrist]

There is one datasheet in this army and it is the Kroxigor Warspawned

[@benthomas5108]

Do you think it’s possible they will errata manifestations? Like make them only useable once or something? They seem incredibly overcooked at the moment.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

I predict an errata in one year

[@mystictirend1222]

I think you missed the fact that Kroxigor Warspawned only get the extra damage if the skinks are in combat while also being within 12'' of them

[@vanrussell4072]

It's hot Aggradon Summer🎉

[@marlonmounce8313]

Thank you for making these

[@alphabetbeer]

If the lizards had any hero phase teleport I'd be tempted to yeet a +4 to cast Kroak behind enemy lines to fire off 9d3 mortals at the opponents support pieces. Would it be good? Almost certainly not. But by the Old Ones it would be hilarious

[@YTHandlesAreDumb]

Do you intend to do one of these videos for each faction?

[@seraphoncobus]

Roll a d3 on a 2+ deal that much damage means you only ever do 2 or 3 damage right?

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Correct

[@Dj_PushStart]

I am so grateful for this, thank you sir.

[@GhostGuitars]

YESSSSSS ROB!!!!!! Been waiting for this :D

[@Narwaana]

Hey, will you do a video on Bonesplitterz? We did for once dont get the short end of the stick! Well, apart from being discontinued in a year....

[@BloodKraven]

Lovely work

[@RichSanders]

GOING ON A DEEP DUIVE ROB

[@GlassHalfDead]

1:06:47 in any shooting phase? Darn,I was hoping it was ever shooting phase :(

[@NIcolasbobbitt]

I just want Seraphon monster mash to be good. Maybe when the book drops

[@kendrickwhite4868]

Hey Rob, you rock

[@capt.mannerings8095]

Looks fun shame so much of my stuff is based around the older models. Will update at some point and get back to these Dino's on Dino's.

[@zzTaszz]

I was really hoping that the dino heavy lists would be as viable as the slann and aggradons lists seems to be… feels bad man, maybe in 5th edition…

[@jtb818]

❤

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

[@TheRealThirdME]

You can walk across manifestations, so they can't block you in @9:00

[@acunniffe]

You can move through them, but can't end a move on top of them, so unless the whole unit can completely clear the base of the manifestation, you can't move through it.

[@johanderyck6598]

So how long until manifestations will get points again?

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

A year

[@johanderyck6598]

@@thehonestwargamerstreams so, after a Eurostar to London St. Pancras from my Brussels area, how do I get to the TSN arena by public transport the best during the next year?

[@Forthemachinegod]

Rob ... 33:06 broke my heart dude. You can see it on your face. Ive been listening to you for years on yt.Just be yourself thats why i show up , but thats my personal opinion.

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

I will be and I am trying to be

[@DaBadMoonIsRisin]

Can you explain it to my dumb ass? I don’t get it?

[@DaBadMoonIsRisin]

Can you explain it to my dumb ass? Why is he not himself?

[@mrogface]

Is this a deep dive?

[@Gramsci]

lumineth exist ;-)

[@gabrielfisher3642]

War spawned man hearing warp spawned was killing me

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

Apologies and thanks

[@gabrielfisher3642]

@@thehonestwargamerstreams great review otherwise!

[@eclipse7217]

Honestly.... i dont mind the direction they've taken the faction. Even merging Coalesced and Starborne. But i have two major bugbears. They've stripped bite rolls and teleporting (staple Seraphon abilities) back to battle formations, so we have to pick between them... and then made them bad. I thought at first that our BF were bad because armies across the game have been nerfed... but then i saw that Nighthaunt literally have Celestial Translocation, but without the 12" restriction. And also without the 3+ dice roll. Ours is completely unreliable, comparatively. Second bugbear, Kroak isn't worth it. They made him less survivable (Dead for Innumerable Ages is now rolled at the end of the turn, not per phase). His +2 to cast now doesnt apply to unbinding. His spells have been nerfed, and then they raised his point cost. Again, i thought it was because wizards across the board have been nerfed, but Teclis is still crazy and they dropped his points by over 150! You're correct that Kroak would be amazing at casting endless spells because of his 3 power, but the slann does the same at 180 points cheaper. I dont want to sound like a negative nancy. I DO like what they've done with the melee units. They seem like they'll be plenty fun to play with. But those 2 points rankle a bit. I only just painted my Kroak model, and i was hoping that he'd be well balanced this edition, instead he seems to have swung from OP to unusable. Hoping that I've missed something or that an errata fixes my frustrations. Thanks for your breakdown!

[@TheShaggyarab]

sorry for being blind where can I see the caster level?

[@jgray196]

Bottom of the war scroll with the keywords.

[@timabrahamson2871]

RIP Kroak

[@mypointofview777]

This spawn is my favourite model in the range but its scroll just ain’t right 😢

[@leonschroder7791]

Are the bite marks gone?! 😱

[@wargamerwilly8756]

Is there a Stormcast Eternals coming? ❤

[@crosbyization]

the lack of lumineth, i feel the bias

[@thehonestwargamerstreams]

I have no bias

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Brilliant video! I too had high hopes for the EotG but he’s just a bit shy of being there.

[@HamsterLiterario]

Nighthaunt wheeen :'(

[@micahtate8793]

When is night haunt 😂😂😂

[@claysimpkins7490]

He already did it

[@micahtate8793]

@@claysimpkins7490 not a full review I didn’t think. I’ll go back and look.

[@micahtate8793]

@@claysimpkins7490 yeah not a full army overview like these unfortunately. It’s just the preview he did for all of them. Hoping for a full review like these!

[@MrJadeskies]

Night haunt, tldr bring nagash, profit.

[@claysimpkins7490]

@@micahtate8793 my apologies! I was wrong 🤥

[@timabrahamson2871]

Spawn is also hot garbage at its point level

[@AlastairPaterson]

I’d probably run as much cavalry as possible as I think dinosaurs riding bigger dinosaurs looks cool as fuck and the rule of cool is arguably the best and most important rule in wargaming. Cheers for all your vids 👍