Age of Sigmar Lore: The End Times

[@NewGuy2534]

Summary: Everyone died except Tyrion because his dice always role twenty.

[@jjpainting9362]

That 1+ plot armour! What do you think of new Tyrion?

[@davidahlberg7017]

Can I just say: Thank you for being one of the few Warhammer lore channels that doesn't soil itself with foul language, lowkey racism/sexism or edgelord humor. Love your videos!

[@2Tough]

Hey thank you :) I wanted this to be something that folks could listen to while their kids are around :)

[@sc0ttishjimy650]

David Ahlberg lol I think I know who you are referring to haha

[@clenjones5748]

David Ahlberg Jewish?

[@mattpryokra2245]

KZbinr Majorkill is the worst for it the horrible cringe bastard.

[@wongfeihung8718]

Just watched one of those channels' Vermintide lore video and cringed all the way through...

[@micah11422]

Covering the much hated end times you are a brave man.

[@leonvalenzuela4096]

Well he is 2+ tough...

[@HermeticJazz]

@@triratna1397 Naw. End Times (including all the inbetween books like Kinslayer, remembers, slayer, etc.) was way better. End times would be GOT season finale if GOT season finale ended with giving us a world over 9000 times cooler than the original.

[@twopiecehoxton]

I just got into warhammer recently. Why is it so hated?

[@risingdawn5259]

@@twopiecehoxton Basically three reasons. 1: people had been buying, building, painting and playing armies for nearly 30 years and End Times wiped those armies out rendering them obsolete. 2. People had been absorbed into the lore, the fluff, the backstories and history, the setting and the world of Warhammer. End Times blew it all up and replaced it with...3: Age of Sigmar. AoS replaced everything including the actual game system. Warhammer Fantasy was now gone, the armies, gaming system and lore all gone and replaced by AoS. It's worth noting at this stage AoS was a shell of it's current state, rule wise and lore wise. It was no replacement for 30 years of Fantasy. Now, a few years down the line, AoS has developed into a great game, the lore is more fleshed out and the armies greatly expanded. And hey, those old army books and rule books are still on shelves right, no one has to stop playing Fantasy, it still exists as part of the Warhammer history. In my opinion it's no different than playing a historical wargame. But that's just my opinion, others may feel different ;)

[@bombkita]

Ris Dorn you contradict yourself in both paragraphs lol

[@GB-sh9st]

I'm a pleb who just bought Vermintide 2 -- I really like your content even though I don't understand it yet.

[@Deminogg]

Don’t worry. That means you’re doing a good job at being a fan. If you think you understand something, you don’t and you’re deadass wrong

[@jjpainting9362]

You’re no pleb my friend your just new 😊 welcome to the club.

[@quattro4468]

@@Deminogg im not a fan i hate fanboys. Just interested in lore like reading a good book. Fanboys are primarily consooooomers.

[@cenciende9401]

@@quattro4468 You're a complete dumbass who doesn't understand English.

[@MegaLotusEater]

Same!

[@thatguyrolledinbacon3367]

I'm not mad about Warhammer Fantasy ending, what I was mad about was how they ended it, in my opinion the end times were poorly written. With weird events and characters doing things that they would never do if you knew what they were like, also a bunch of iconic characters were completely forgotten or killed off screen. Anyway Age of Sigmar has been alright so far

[@jakemalloy4947]

the lore is quite bad

[@mutsuhanma7807]

I think that after a while, you stop having a passion for your craft. And if it's a story someone else would get inspired and strive to learn everything. When a person loses their passion, they start to make mistakes like making characters do what you want them to do, so you can force it into your narrative. So you can finally stop and end the story you didn't know was gonna make it big. While others are enthralled and can really tell how the story should go....i think when writers are in this stage of their story...they need to get the fans involved. To help him reinspire and remember why this world was so important and hype to him. But that's just me...

[@harryiles726]

I agree

[@AdnanCucak]

Im So glad I found someone properly presenting the lore, all the other stuff was some dumb youtuber who couldnt stop swearing, just cringey edgelord stuff.

[@Mcmotherfuckingrory]

That the Australian dude? I was wincing the entire video... Really wanted to know what happened, but had to suffer that edgelord...

[@AdnanCucak]

@@Mcmotherfuckingrory Yeah mate, Im aussie and it PAINS me to think people might think we talk like that all the time

[@2tranquility769]

Indeed

[@drakashrakenburgproduction5369]

God he was annoying.

[@Lynxi24]

shut up pussy majorkill keeps it interesting

[@Atom.Storm.]

I'm an old school whfrp player and have never played tabletop. So glad to have found your channel as I love lore and fluff. Wish I knew other tabletop players as I love the game. But stil happy to listen to you explain the world to us.

[@2Tough]

Thank you so much Atom Storm! So Glad you enjoyed it!

[@yoloswagtron6920]

For a topic that has divided the Warhammer community in some ways, you handled the topic respectfully and thoroughly. Well done and great video.

[@COMPNOR]

As a Skaven, I approve of this timeline of events.

[@willpollock7371]

Tackling the end times, you are a braver man than I

[@bigdave4859]

I have to admit that was a Sigmar hater without even playing it. That is possibly due to the fact that since getting back into the Hobby in 2012 I spent over £400 building a new fantasy army. Not including the rulebook or army books. I finally decided to give the AOS a try about a year ago and realised just how much fun it is. I still prefer fantasy but I can now enjoy AOS too. Really good video!

[@oompaloompakia5702]

Thank you Doug for these videos!! You have no idea (well, you probably do) how hard it has been to find AoS lore videos that weren't filled with incredible negativity and hate. I have always played 40k, but didn't show interest toward the fantasy side until I fell in love with Total War: Warhammer. Since then I have been trying (and failing) to find good, informative videos to update me on the universe that didn't just bum me out. Since watching these I have started a Seraphon collection and can't get enough AoS! Can't thank you enough for your respectful take on both sides of the debate, it's unbelievably helpful to us newcomers.

[@2Tough]

Hey Troy, thank you so much for those kind words!!! :) I believe in sharing my passion and aproaching the negativity with a mature attitude. I hope my little slice of AOS youtube can continue to deliver inspiring content to you :)

[@synth_pulse3098]

Finally! Someone who doesn’t cuss every five seconds or use “cunt” over and over when trying to describe the lore of the world. Thank you for the wonderful explanation, just got into Warhammer (more video games vs tabletop) and am playing games like total war warhammer 1 and 2, vermintide and soon chaosbane. Once again thank you and you earned a subscriber!

[@Xsensley1988]

Yeah kinda not satisfied with Majokill's video about that one too.

[@drakashrakenburgproduction5369]

Majorkill was so cringey. I'm no prude but he was trying to hard to be edgy.

[@taylorniall5756]

I've just gotten into AOS, I used to play Warhammer 40k, so loosely knew what happened to Warhammer Fantasy. But I just want to say, this is the only video on KZbin that I've found to be enjoyable...so many End Time videos are children making slurs to GW staff about End Times or just...being inflammatory. Cheers for being an adult

[@chrisaitken9775]

Love your videos man, particularly for the fact that unlike many other Warhammer channels (be they 40k, FB or AoS) you remain fairly cynicism free and actually seem inspired by the lore rather than frustrated by it. I personally wouldn’t have chosen the AoS reboot of FB, I think Endtimes books were reasonably well written but messy in terms of how they tied the lore together; HOWEVER now that it has happened we have to just get on with it and you do a great job of getting others excited by and interested in the new AoS lore which does after all at the least have the asset that it’s new and fresh and therefore exciting IF people don’t choose to just gripe about how it ain’t FB. So thanks! (Oh and we don’t care what you call us - British Isles, UK, Great Britain - it’s all good lol)

[@christophersteeves9435]

I used to play a dark elf army in fantasy, so I ended up having to trade in my cold ones for eels which I don't hate, but I hope one day we will see what Malekith's armies in AOS look like, maybe next year

[@JacobVeith]

Dude, I love your channel and I love how you deliver the information. Keep it up!

[@RavenforTea]

I'm one of those new people that didn't play fantasy battles. This playlist was great for a quick catch up. I'll be diving into the books for 2018 for sure! Sylvaneth, and Gorkamorka I'll be keeping an eye out for!

[@Multiklaaas]

These lore videos are great for someone like me who started playing warhammer after AoS came out. Really helps me put things into perspective and get more excited about the story behind all those cool models/armies. Thanks man!

[@Acordim]

I'm just getting into Warhammer, and I'm really enjoying your vids man!

[@daedonas]

Thanks a lot for covering this Doug, it's such a touchy subject so many lore masters never even delve into what I believe was a really well put together plot and finale to 30 years of story. The books and battle plans were incredibly well written and you're 100% right that it jump-started what AoS is now. I think the 'no more square bases' and lack of initial believe-ability of AoS's background really lent a lot of hate to this damn great story, and maybe if GW released the AoS rules during the End Times it could have been a smoother transition...but it's done and although there's still remnants of hate, things didn't end up too bad Warhammer still rules.

[@Sannop24]

I am brand new to AoS and the entire GW world (outside of Mordheim and Munda). Your Lore series has been amazing in helping me get a flavor for the game beyond simple battles. Thank you.

[@michaelcole7359]

Really like how professional you sound and how you explain this universe. Keep it up

[@jorgequelas3095]

As always, great video! And a very fair intro. Both games are different and fun in their own right.

[@High_Kahl_Ray]

At the expense of reading all the comments. Teclis didn't mean for any of the non elf characters to become Nexus points of the magic winds, he lost control of the ritual the moment he freed the winds

[@nathanielpyatt5529]

I would love to know how Grimgor Ironhide died and how GorkaMorka did big fighty fings

[@2Tough]

We last saw Grimgor at the last fight against Archaon in the last book, I hope they bring him forward at some point. And I hope to see a lot more love given to Destruction armies soon, which will hopefully shed more light on GorkaMorka. As it stands, it's the least supported of the Grand Alliances ;(

[@seraphazrael4218]

Nathaniel Pyatt In the last End Times book, Grimgor fights Archaon and actually almost wins. But Archaon has major plot armour as usual so he summons a powerful demon into his sword and 1 hits grimgor. So basically Archaon cheats to win and grimgor dies.

[@blindlobster]

@@seraphazrael4218 That's lazy of GW, (no offence to you) Archaon fought Grimgor 10 years earlier in the Storm of Chaos conclusion. In the Storm of Chaos campaign, Grimgor actually did win the fight and smashed Archaon into mush but Archaon was wearing the plot armour.

[@Zeradias090]

@@blindlobster you know that event is not canon right?

[@blindlobster]

@@Zeradias090 Yes, I know that the Storm of Chaos is no longer canon. It's a shame because GW were a lot more competent when handling SoC than they were when handling The End Times. I was just saying that copying some-one else's idea is not creative. As a sidenote, the quality of GW's written material has decreased so much, that the term "canon" no longer has the value that it once had. People were upset when Mat Ward took control of writing the background, but his successors make him look like Dan Abnett or Sandy Mitchell. There is good reason why the "background/codex" writers refuse to put their names on their material. As another sidenote, Mat Ward isn't too bad when he is watched, unfortunately he was given too much freedom, too early. Finally most of GW's background material has been repelled from canon, at some time or another. We can look at (Fantasy) Bretonnians, The Empire, Ogres, Halflings, Lizardmen, Chaos Dwarfs, Beastmen etc and Sci-fi Ecclesiarchy armies, Necrons, Imperial Guard, Chaos Armies, Inquisiton Armies and perhaps the Eldar armies as well has been repelled from canon. So the term canon no longer has a deep value... It would be good for Games Workshop to actually try to do a good job again, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@KieranDunleavy]

Good summary. And great timing for this video, too. A fellow in Norway just recently published an End Times Battletome to adapt all the scenarios to AOS. Also, for those that want to delve really DEEP into End Times lore, I have over 30 hours of story analysis that I did 3 years ago on my KZbin channel.

[@joenathan8059]

I'm new to warhammer in general. My only window into W.H.F is Vermintide 1 and 2 so knowing about the end times is really nice.

[@jynirax]

This video was fantastic. Thanks for giving us a brief overview. I'm only four books into the Warhammer Fantasy portion of the Black Library and I intend on working my way through all of it. These lore videos are great, keep it up.

[@TheMurciano]

You’re basically ComicsExplained of Warhammer 👍🏼👌🏼 +1 sub - thank you for all your time and efforts !

[@omegafighters]

"they built a cannon and blew up the moon." As someone whose never played WHFB: Awesome! :D

[@sophieen6145]

You're fantastic. I've fallen in love with all your videos! I'm really new to WH and got into it because of Vermintide 1 + 2. I'd love to see more videos on the Skaven. Thank you so much for assuming everyone doesn't know anything. It means I understand it all! :)

[@2Tough]

You’re in luck :) I plan to have a video out about the current state of skaven on Monday :) thank you for the kind comment!

[@sophieen6145]

Fantastic! I look forward to it :D

[@koreysmith4874]

Sophieen ...i really want to play both games. which is better? is there much improvment in the sequel?

[@deathandandy]

This video makes me see what a shame it was that I wasn't playing during the end times, this has so much depth. I know Tomb Kings and other armies are a major loss, but narratively it is so cool.

[@nataliet4293]

as a former skaven player 18:25 had me so proud of my lovelies and whatever dice they rolled that hit boxcars for days.

[@HootMaRoot]

Been looking for endtimes lore as my last time playing fantasy was in the early to mid 90s and these days getting into fanasty was going to cost way much more than it did back then, but with the release of AoS it looks like how 40k started smaller armies that won't cost a couple of thousand to make

[@KnightofRome01]

Great video. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought Albion was supposed to be the UK, and Ulthuan was more or less based on Atlantis? If I am wrong I will concede that, just the assumption I always had.

[@StarlightNightflame]

You are correct.

[@irishprice]

Yeah I always presumed the same. Also; the empire is the holy Roman empire (Germany before Germany was a thing) Bretonia is France (and more specifically normandy) The bandit princes and that other human faction down south is Italy before Italian unification. The orcs- in the wastes are the Mongols. The northmen are Scandinavian Vikings. And the other human faction down south, on the coast is spain/Portugal.

[@StarlightNightflame]

As mentioned, high elves are Atlanteans. The wood elves have some Celt in them, dark elves are evil Atlanteans I guess. No real historical template there.

[@Magmaxyz]

The lizardmen have a lot of Aztec/Inca themes to them as well

[@philipgotbored6495]

Nords are our Nords the wikings, Lizardmen Aztec/Maya/Inca but who are the rat men? :D

[@RaVNeFLoK]

Just a few things. 1) you forgot everything about bretonnia. They were the main order guys in book 1and was instrumental in saving the empire in book 2. Not just the undead- oh well I guess it was cut bcs of time. It’s just I played them and now they are all gone and forgotten - lol sad panda. ;) 2) naa the elves dont live on the British isles. The elves live on Atlantis (or where Atlantis was supposed to be in our world according to some legends- right smack in the Atlantic Ocean). The warhammer equivalent to the brittish isles is called Albion. Its much smaller than the elvish ‘Atlantis’ - it’s at a different place on the globe and has a Celtic/Druidic theme. 3) tomb kings are not in ‘Egypt’- they were more like all over ‘Africa’ tbf. 4) Lustria where the lizardmen/seraphon was from was ‘southern America’ and not Africa. I know they look kinda similar on the map but still- another place on the globe and quite different from each other. Thx for the rundown though - btw you have a great voice for this sort of thing👍

[@2Tough]

Hey RaVNeFLok, Thank you fro the clarifications. Condensing that many books of that size was a hard so yes, a lot of information was cut. The whole High ELves on the British Isles was just a brain fart, it had been months since I thought about the Old world when I made this video, haha.

[@jamesbeadle9906]

I just learned of your show from some friends in Fort Wayne. Excellent material, thank you.

[@stephengibson6440]

Didn't know totally about what happened... You put on a light where darkness over the end times was for me.

[@willt3223]

Lets be honest, skaven blew up the moon cause they thought it was made out of cheese. Something that been plaguing their race thoughts since they first gain sentience.

[@shawnsanders9017]

Awesome lore video! I remember starting the hobby with 40k while the end times we're wrapping up and the general negativity towards games workshop almost made me quit all together. If it weren't for the lore I would have never stayed with the hobby. People can gripe about the games all they want, the settings and stories are always amazing and keep me painting and collecting regardless of what the state of the game is.

[@2Tough]

I totally agree, thank you so much for watching :)

[@doubleparked65]

ok, I have was the biggest Warhammer player you probably ever met, at least to a degree, and i know you have probably heard that a hundred times, but, I owned a game store for 12 years, got tired of gaming nonstop 16 hours a day for 12 years, went to nursing school, and life moved on....during that time i accumulated every single army and warband from all the systems, as customers also got out and moved on with life....fast forward from 2005 to now (and yes i still own ALL my original inventory, still in packaging!) but NOW I want back in! I have EVERY possible book, magazine etc etc and am up to date...digitally that is, even have a HUGE setup - just for fun - high end 3d printer and thousands of stl's. Yet even though, I have a big picture of what the End times consisted of, a beginning understanding of AoS and NOW and now Major stoked to see Old World back...I can put my original models back to use....THIS POINT IM ABOUT TO MAKE, I CANT EMPHASIZE ENOUGH ---- I have watched dozens of videos these past few weeks...and yours are the ONLY ones that takes a slice from EVERY face of end times' faction stories, and made them....at least in this one 25 minute video, a digestible and understandable presentation that I can actually understand and digest, thank you so much....my hunt now, is to try and possible find f there are stories that are in WD mag, online officially or in other places, to help me create a good timeline, if you have any advice, I would appreciate it....thank you so much and Please please please, if you have a moment, I would love to hear from you to give a personal thanks. You have a great voice, inflections in all the perfect places, and if you have major fave or hated races, it didn't show...."Tough" - you did great!

[@TheCimbrianBull]

What an epic great video, Doug! And happy wargaming and a Happy New Year too! :-)

[@matthewbeattie]

Imagine how popular GW would be if they kept fantasy battles storyline as a simultaneous thing as well as End Times and Age Of Sigmar and later 40k. That way the story can progress and the OG fantasy world can both be a thing.

[@Basil_Ghothickovitch]

If you want the old world where the End Times didn't happen, you have the Blood Bowl.

[@ClockworkBananaMoon]

Wonderful video, great work. Your approach to distilling the most important facts and binding them together in a comprehensive and easy to follow summary is just spot on. Thank you.

[@RAEN74]

I really am new to Warhammer, and got in to the lore cause of Vermintide.....I still find it crazy how I can't find any real explanation of where the games story fits in. So this helped a lot!

[@TheHobgoblyn]

I know you put this out over 2 years ago, but since I watched it only today.... The British Islands in WarHammer fantasy would have been called "Albion" and they were home to giants, fairies and Fomorians. The Elven people lives on what basically amounted to Atlantis.

[@rockylosco5596]

Hammerhal and other stories is a great book,this is where I’ve begun in my reading

[@benn1181]

The glotkin and blightkings models are what got me into AoS

[@jjpainting9362]

Me too! Are you a fan of the demons of Nurgle?

[@benn1181]

@@jjpainting9362 yeah man. Although right now I'm painting KO

[@jjpainting9362]

@@benn1181 KO?

[@benn1181]

@@jjpainting9362 Kharadron Overlords

[@jjpainting9362]

@@benn1181 ah fun! How it’s going well.

[@danijels89]

I played WH, AoS but I am learning about lore through your videos. It's cool that you are explaining it for beginners. ^_^

[@2Tough]

Thank you so much Dahadriel Heat! So Glad you enjoyed it!

[@AoSCoach]

This is still a great video 3 years later. Thanks for putting it together

[@2Tough]

Glad you enjoyed it! I need to get around to doing a full series breakdown

[@storytime6263]

*Space Marine travels through time* "What is all this heresy?!"

[@DeathJester07]

This helps out so much! Just picked up the Grand Alliance: Death book today because of your skeleton horde review.

[@jamescooke7243]

You remind me of some cool lord of the rings lore channels that also have really good content. I'm trying to get into warhammer your videos were very helpful, thank you good sir

[@arinallen]

What might be interesting is if the Chaos Wastes at the poles of the Warhammer World turned out to contain regions of dimensional transition, potentially allowing one to 'physically' journey to other lands or the warp or realms of chaos, perhaps similar to a natural 'web way' traversing actual terrain. The ebb and flow of the chaos energies might be like a tide that flows and permeates through out the Warhammer World, potentially influencing this and other magical effects, as well as driving the dynamics and cycles of the forces of chaos and magic. With something like this it might be possible to explore other scenarios, which is what Age of Sigmar reminds me of.

[@arinallen]

I think what happened was that Slaanesh and Tzentch, two archetypes of the Chaos powers, got together and wove a great spell that effected a polar shift of the magical chaos energies of the Warhammer World. The Warhammer World was sucked into the warp, all the Age of Sigmar business transpired, and like a lemniscate or sine wave, or turn of the wheel, the polar shift was realized, and by this, the Warhammer World was then pushed out of the warp and restored, essentially at the point at which it had entered, however, reborn, with the great magics and chaos energies which sustain the world much rejuvenated and replenished and reshaped in many ways. With something like this, not only can we get the Warhammer World back, we can keep and invent new scenarios (if there are in fact walking paths straight into the Chaos realms), set up the potential for end times of the future, and greatly re-fashion a more limitless potential for the Warhammer World. That's got my vote! In the versions of WFB and WFRP I am familiar with (3rd edition WFB, the best yet!), it's possible to summon demons, and angels, and presumably any manner of entity from other realms, which might also influence the Warhammer World. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the Slann Warp Gate collapse may have been cause by such a polar shift, and in the oldest lore of the Warhammer World, references might be found to such antediluvian history, potentially to times when gods and mortals occupied the same realm, and everything was magic?

[@arinallen]

www.scribd.com/doc/84420659/Warhammer-Fantasy-Battle-3rd-Edition-Rulebook

[@jjpainting9362]

Cracking video chaps! I remember reading the novels a few years ago and thought the jumped around a lot. Thanks for making it so concise!

[@d.h.k.c8113]

... it's weird getting into Warhammer Lore now... it's like just hearing about music festivals and concerts for the first time last month...

[@qh777]

High elves (now called highborn) and dark elves still exist in age of sigmar. Instead of the whole race as an army like idoneth deepkin, high elves are split into factions: Phoenix Temple, order draconis, swifthawk agents, lion rangers. Dark elves exist as four factions: Daughters of Khaine, order serpentis, scourge privateers, and darkling covens (don't know if I'm missing one)

[@zenith3180]

its like 40k with just fantasy as the skin...

[@bhuddaloyd]

i was a upset about the change because i played chaos undivided with Archeon leading it. had been collecting and playing for 10 years had 30,000 points of chaos. everything from marauders to greater deamons. Was heavily involved with the end times world wide campaign events. the whole time my friends and i were expecting the realm of man to turn the war around some how and was totally shocked when AoS was released. i will admit that the rules for WHFB were very, very heavy and even a small game was half a day to the whole day. i remember me and a friend decided one time to field and play our entire forces, he played empire, and it took close to a week to play it. looking back, i should have expected the change, every time GW released new stuff for my army it just seemed to get more and more OP. anyhow i started play 40k after that and haven't plat any AoS but i know people that do and love it. even though i was disappointed about the change I can not say anything bad about it honesty, the rules were becoming more and more complected with every update and, at the time, less and less people played WHFB every year. if they had not done it i doubt they would even have a fantasy line aside from LOTR. just wanted to share my experience from that time. loved the video.

[@xaoc6084]

When you speak about the vortex in book 3 is that not the vortex originally sealed to stop chaos from constantly being able to cross into the mortal realms, it was basically the one which sealed the realms.

[@serpent035]

I don't play myself, but some of my friends do and I love to watch. I really love the lore in this both worlds. Thanks for the video!

[@spaceork6973]

2022, still aggravated. Great video and channel though 👍🏾

[@8AFM4]

Great video. The question I have is how exactly the survivors of the end times were able to survive if the world was destroyed?

[@thomastakesatollforthedark2231]

I always assumed their spirits were just powerful enough to survive and get carried to the Mortal Realms by the winds of Magic. Sigmar is the Exception since he was flung into space

[@jonathancowley9697]

Yeah this gap is what I can't get a answer too, just all dead but then their are entire civilisations and returning characters. . . so not dead? But dead, where did all these people come from? How did they travel to the new place?

[@constantinekorkousky3363]

… almost as if this wasn’t thought out that well

[@mintana93]

Seraphon player here! I just had a quick question about the Lizardmen in the end times. In the Seraphon battletome it talks about how the Lizard men held back their enemies for an incredible amount of time, fighting to the last man in order to buy their Slann time to work a ritual. This ritual then allowed their temples to float up into space, and into other realms. Was this added after the end times in order to allow the Lizardmen to still exist, or was this always the case and they weren't ENTIRELY wiped out by the Skaven? Loved the vids, and keep up the good work!

[@mintana93]

For sure! It looks like I'll have to read ET so I can see how it all went down in detail. I definitely would love to read about the Lizard Men tearing into hordes of Skaven.

[@TheRowdyKing1243]

Joseph Tipton the whole reason the skaven defeated the lizardmen is the slann were all in a coma from stopping the warp moon. The lizardmen were left being led by skinks and sauras. I think the writers couldn't think of a way to make the skave beat the lizardmen with all the slann in tact so they put them all in a coma

[@graysylvian]

Joseph Tipton It looks like they escaped on their magic ship pyramids, lots of the heros died but in the new AOS they all come back. So the lizardmen are the only ones who survived the end times. Interestingly Lord Kroak decided to come back to life, lifted areas of lizardmen into space, died again and then came back as a magic star powered frog, who rearanged the stars to look like his face while fighting. Overal I hate AOS lore, its gone from interesting world to 'they fight coz they do' on a world build for fighting. The lizardmen are the only ones who are similar to their old lore.

[@graysylvian]

Gotzer Drake Zerora Venandi I dislike the AOS lore because it is so generic and lost so much of the fantasy lore. Look up some of the old lore and you will see just how much more there is too it. Like a 2000 (or more) year old lizard that shoots sun-beams from a magic gauntlet and has a spear made by ancient gods.

[@rockylosco5596]

I just started in warhammer lore as of like August early when the ccg game came out,I’ve never been into any warhammer of any kind sadly until now ,I have heard about it For many years but never got into it ,so here I am folks,right at the beginning of age of Sigmar,what a place to start,right at the very beginning of a whole new age folks,what a blessing😉!

[@JoshuaJacobs83]

Here’s a thought from a guy who never played AOS or the old world. I’ve watched some lore videos of the old world and did some research on AOS to decide if I should go with this or 40K and for me, personally, I love the old lore. The world names sound more fantasy to me and the real world analogues piqued my interest more so. I also love the idea of the Tomb Kings, Kislev and Lizardmen and the Skaven. From what I saw on the new world it just didn’t seem interesting to me. But that’s just me

[@anonymousdictator]

Really great video. In my particular case, I love the mechanics of AoS but miss the story of the Old World.

[@coreymic]

Absolutely love the work you're doing with these lore videos. I have to say, when the Old World died, I didn't really care about the new story. It just didn't resonate with me. After listening to your videos though, haven't gone through them all yet, I've come to the realization that the Old World isn't truly dead. The events off that time still are playing a role in the Age of Sigmar. You've rekindled my interest in the lore. Thank you.

[@ericmumper6821]

Great video! I've only played AoS but picked up the Archaon book from Half Price Books the night before you published this video. Quit stalking me, Doug! :P

[@leopoldjenkins]

Loved this. I've been after a summary of the End Times for ages. This is exactly what I was after

[@kenric38]

Undoing the vortex that removes the chaos energy’s to fight chaos

[@wuztron]

I LOVED the lore and characters of WHFB. However, now that I'm a few years into AoS, i rarely find myself missing it gameplay wise. At least on a local level, the community around here is stronger than it's ever been, finding games is super easy, and most people are super cool. And I have to say, I'm really into what they are doing lore wise at the moment. The new edition book is a huge step in the right direction and I'm stoked at what's to come.

[@2Tough]

Thank you so much Wesley Haines! So Glad you are enjoying AOS!

[@wuztron]

2+Tough Great videos by the way. Already one of my favorite channels.

[@kariranta-ojala5181]

Epic lore video. I'm interested in more. Great job.

[@LeviUlysses-mp5wg]

I can’t tell how anything’s different as aos has all the same factions+ a few more, so instead of a wave of extinctions there’s actually more than ever.

[@cpurssey982]

01:00 I don't wanna be around for the End Times thanks 😂.

[@TheRhandolph]

I played WFB from the beginning, mainly as orks and skaven and the whole slaves to darkness chaos warband campaigns. I was not playing at the time of the end times. I recall some friends being annoyed that they no longer had a game for their army. Some turned to kings of war. I have just started AoS with Skaven and it is really not much different now to the army I had about.. fifteen years ago? and a lot of armies don't seem that different in appearence and play style... skaven vs Seraphon could be an old world battle if I so wanted but I am not really troubled, I like the AoS lore too.

[@comradezy]

This was pretty cool! I want to read Thanquol now.

[@Failerist]

What an amazing video yet again. I always wanted to know why and I will go buy those books. Thanks !

[@nearpod5207]

my main problem with GM is that they create places like lustria which is south America and an African continent but have none of the native peoples of those continents instead filling them up with the empire or brettonia

[@rockylosco5596]

Folks should definitely respect each other,this really is just a game ,literally

[@swamp2thebonegames14]

great videos as a new player returning to the game they really help👍

[@2Tough]

That's always the goal, thank you for watching!

[@Guitarman5705]

I like that age of sigmar is expanding out now with the lore, it was a big hit to lose the old world but i'm hopeful they can make the new one just as or more interesting moving forward. Either way this time i hope its here to stay.

[@MaNoTachi]

Lustria was rather South America. Africa was sometimes explorer in fantasy battle, but no major events were described happening there in the main line of events.

[@mags7054]

Hi @2+Tough that was a really good video. Could you please do a video that then also walks us through from the end of the End Times to the start of the Age of Sigmar?

[@2Tough]

sadly there really inst much info on that time in between the two setting :/

[@mags7054]

@@2Tough dam man. Thanks a lot for replying, and I shall now subscribe to your channel. Maybe it's the age of myths that somewhat touches on this time. Also, you've answered so many questions already and yet still so many unanswered, and I think that's the the reason why it's such an amazing world and story, so amazingly rich in everything it is and shrouded in myth and mystery at the same time. One of the greatest fantasy worlds ever created. Wish movies would start being made in Warhammer, the old world and AoS, there's enough material to make movies for like the next one hundred years.

[@xIrishSkillzx]

My biggest issue is how they did this "send off" for the fantasy world, then just kept alot of the same names and heroes. If you're going to take a risk and start fresh, then just do it 100%. I play(ed) both, but find the fluff for AOS and the conception of its beginning ridiculous.

[@jj_see_film]

The force awakens was the worst thing to happen to the entertainment industry, its all about nostalgia bait and "I know that thing!" Culture now

[@FlootsyGaz]

Thanks for the video!

[@noirerequiemii101]

thanks for spelling this out with the intent of informing and just complaining :)

[@shadhinov]

Thank god there's another video. The Aussie 40k edgelord was getting me nauseous. He serves his niche of the toxic corner of Warhammer and you're here for the rest of us

[@HikingFeral]

This is a great video for new players like me, and I have every intention of reading the old books and collecting and playing the old game with the old rules out of respect and interest. I do hate those square base slot models though they are absolutely horrendous. Imo.

[@soepbijbel]

Thanks for the great video!

[@TheLonePantheist]

I love Warhammer Fantasy and 40k, and I'm currently warming up to Age of Sigmar.

[@2Tough]

it's great stuff, and all we ask is that you give it a try ;) thank you for watching

[@ZerooOne01]

MajorKIll has covered this subject as well - a nice alternative imo.

[@gagepoltrack3276]

ZerooOne01 he is quite the character lmao

[@ZeusOmega3]

He s a major hater racist bastard just avoid

[@drakashrakenburgproduction5369]

Yeah but he is a cringey unprofessional edgelord

[@HeatherHerbert_]

I played WHFB back in the old days (25+ years ago maybe) and I'm starting to get into AoS, so this was useful to get me up to speed, thanks. Just on question, my memory is that the Skaven of the old world are the decedents of the builders of the warp gates, what happened to my them nihilists and want to trash everything?

[@LGP82]

Great video. I think I'm going to hunt down the books. We played some end times @ our local club and loved it. I like both AoS and WFB (9th age).

[@aleksandersokal5279]

Lizardmen were in South America and Elves are based on Atlantis and Ancient Rome and Greece. Britain was both Albion and Brettonia to an extent as Brettonia was an amalgamation of Norman England and Medieval France.

[@FraggnAUT]

I always thought the high elven homeland as some sort of fictional atlantis continent.

[@eyeofgnosis558]

I think Ulthuan is meant to be the fictional Atlantis rather than the UK (which is Albion), also the one thing that really irked me was the way the High Elves just accepted Malekith as Phoenix King. Whilst I get Tyrion had gone mad with Khaine's bloodlust, I doubt a race which has been fighting Malekith and his Dark Elves (which are probably more evil than Chaos) for thousands of years would decide it was a good idea to side with their literal worst enemy...

[@xChaos23]

I always saw it as Ancient Greece, Ulthuan is Athens (Navel based economy and lots of wine and culture) with Naggarond being Sparta (Slave based economy and warrior society)

[@eyeofgnosis558]

The High Elves and Dark Elves in old Fantasy had a blood feud which was as deep as that between Chaos and the Empire, I mean, the Dark Elves would capture, torture , enslave and sacrifice innocent High Elves for the lolz most of the time

[@Ahreman_egy]

awesome video thanks

[@TravisLaFave]

Would you ever consider doing an “in depth” lore video? I’m here because I’ve started the new “Gotrek” books and I never really followed any character besides my boy Vlad Von Carstein in “Fall of Altdorf” (don’t get me started on how disappointed I still am about him still being MIA) but now there’s all these other stories I didn’t follow at the time and it seems like ancient history trying to track them all down, just wondering, you do great work, would love if you did.

[@elmirBDS]

End times (and the destruction of the old world) is one of the reasons AoS took off so slowly. It alienated a lot of the playerbase (but lets be honest... the few) that still played WHFB. That and there only being open play ofc. I personally hated playing what WHFB turned into. No max unit sizes just made the game powerball out of control after horde units got introduced (along with magic item/ability stacking) to create deathstar type play. The cost to start was also ridiculous because of this...