Ageism in The Interview Process - Are You a Victim?

Ageism in the interview process (workplace) is a real thing. And usually it's pretty subtle. Have you experienced age discrimination? In this video we discuss how ageism pops up in the hiring process.
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[@melissam6037]

“Growing with a role” you can grow at any age. I am 58 and still learning new things all the time!

[@TheSupervillain316]

By the same, if someone is stubborn they'll never grow into anything regardless of age

[@CraigMilesYoutube]

@@melissam6037 Absolutely, many countries are moving retirement towards age 70. Therefore you have not only years of experience, but years left to work.

[@DavidLLambertmobile]

I do security, 2020s I see a lot of "recent" college graduates, GWOT/9-11 era veteran. They want younger applicants, people 25-35. Not over 45.

[@jsmall5952]

I just turned 50 and looking for employment I honestly feel I am 90. I have 3 previous jobs and I can honestly say the older individuals hired ran circles around the younger ones and actually stayed in their positions some with promotions that wanted them . Seemed like a running bet with all of us how long the younger person would stay. There is no way to hide your age before an interview which for me has meant practically no interview. It really is frustrating to think I am not intelligent enough to know exactly what is going on when they say that they were very impressed with my skills ?!?! Really my skills were too impressive for the position sure that makes perfect sense next time I will apply for the CEO position smh smh . Meanwhile keeping that revolving door revolving door but hey that is job security for that person I guess

[@johnr5252]

I’m 67 and had hoped to continue working past 70. My job was eliminated ending a 33 year career. I can’t even get an interview for jobs I could easily do.

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

Hence my fear of leaving my unionized job. I'll work as long as I can.

[@pointnIaugh]

It's sad, because in my experience I have found that the best workers are the old ones.

[@jensz9360]

100% the most loyal and the best. Too bad they get treated like garbage by idiot employers.

[@millertime6]

It’s funny he reveals so many unfortunate truths here. The idea of “over qualifications”, “flight risks” and “culture fit.” The irony is that the younger people are the ones leaving jobs more frequently.

[@jtixtlan]

You are correct! The US data proves it: The median number of years that wage and salary workers had been with their current employer was 4.1 years in January 2022, unchanged from the median in January 2020 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Sept. 2022). Since 1996, surveys have been conducted biennially in January as a supplement to the Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly sample survey of about 60,000 households. Median employee tenure was generally higher among older workers than younger ones. For example, the median tenure of workers ages 55 to 64 (9.8 years) was more than three times that of workers ages 25 to 34 years (2.8 years). Also, a larger proportion of older workers than younger workers had 10 years or more of tenure. For example, among workers ages 60 to 64, 53 percent had been employed for at least 10 years with their current employer in January 2022, compared with 9 percent of those ages 30 to 34 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Sept. 2022).

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

LOL - yeah - and that's my recommendation for them to do so. It's nearly impossible to advance within the same company so you have to jump ship every 2-3 years early on in your career.

[@vl4n7684zt]

Employers want someone to 'grow with the company' but within 2 years the younger employees are already job hopping. The increased culture of disposable employees has led to the increased culture of disposable employers.

[@JasonTaylor-po5xc]

@@vl4n7684zt I can’t speak about other fields, but anyone in IT working for a large corporation is losing money the longer they stay after a year. Only 1-2% raises is pretty common and the IT market often pays way more.

[@bubbasouth69]

And the older people have a better work ethic and will run circles around the younger ones! Problem for the employer is that the older people are much too wise to get manipulated and jerked around by those power hungry bosses on a big ego trip!

[@Kristopher342]

Ageism,nepotism, and cronyism I’ve encountered it all and continue to, it will never change.

[@bp-ob8ic]

We are all invited and encouraged to participate in cronyism by milking our networks for the inside track to job opportunities. Even the young whipper-snappers

[@MichaelAivaliotis]

We want someone to grow with the role seems like they want someone young they can work to death.

[@repro7780]

...and pay alot less to start.

[@belssage]

That's not the case where I'm working. It's the opposite. We, older workers, are "worked to death" and paid a great deal less than those half our age. The older workers have a good attendance record. The younger do not. The young were 'trained', the older were not. The ideas come from the older as well as initiative. The young are paid, literally, tens of thousands more than the older. I've been at my current position 3.5 years. My last day is this Friday, the 16th. I was spoken to in an unprofessional and immature manner when I submitted my professional resignation.

[@siongheeleong8078]

"We want someone to grow with the role," - that's the response I often get. Effectively, that message tells me they want someone younger due to: - Pay is lower - Able to get a longer working commitment and thus, rotate to other roles where needed - Would be less set in their ways and able to fit in better - Succession planning

[@sandbar3000]

Yes, I had it EASY in 2003 and 2004 looking for work and getting hired. Why? In 2003 I was only 27 years old. That's young. Now at 46. Shit. I'm over the damn hill. As if I'm going to die tomorrow. I didn't know 46 was OLD. Damn fuck me.

[@sandbar3000]

@@belssage that's HORRIBLE to train the younger ones then NOT train the younger ones. What's up with that bull shit?

[@cathywestholt5324]

I am 68. Now I need the assistance of a rollator walker. I went on an interview, and things were ok with the supervisor of the department. When the hiring manager came into the room, she looked down at my walker and said, "Do you really need to use that thing?" I felt so embarrassed, humiliated, and defeated. I have not gone on another interview since. My first impression is an old lady with a walker, and not a candidate with value for their organization.

[@WhoBeSilly]

Hold on there! Ageism is certainly underlying, but you might have a case because of a disability, which is a major crime. I would look into bringing a lawsuit because of that - check with a lawyer, I think you have a case.

[@jensz9360]

What a disgrace of the hiring manager. You should have recorded it and then sued them for disability discrimination. RECORD everything, these peopel now are out of control.

[@Sheisme120]

As if you would be using a walker if you didn’t need it?? Why would someone even ask that?🤦🏻‍♀️ I’m so sorry you went through that!

[@t.h.8475]

No one ever used a walker just for the fun of it.

[@bubbasouth69]

If more people would make a video of these discriminatory interviews a lot of this nonsense would stop.

[@DemonsCrest1]

"you're overqualified" is an employer's way of saying "it's not you, it's me" xD

[@DemonsCrest1]

@@jamesthompson7282 ^_^ or they really want you, but they think they need to neg you xD

[@nunyabeezwax6758]

Which is never helpful and is just her being a snob/having too many options...

[@joylynch5204]

Sucks since the age of retirement is constantly being pushed higher. What are we supposed to do?

[@cptcosmo]

"Handle your shite." "Grow a pair." That's about the amount of compassion you'll get. That's all I get.

[@sashanealand8315]

in the US you are supposed to move into your car as you age and become homeless.

[@12litwin]

I had an interview about 10 years ago when I was 49 & the employer (who was near my age) asked me how old I was. I asked him if it would have any bearing on the position & the whole tone of the interview changed for the worst. I was polite in the way I asked it but ageism was clearly apparent because I saw the position re-posted hours later.

[@twosteptothatyo]

It’s illegal to ask that question in the US.

[@lluewhyn]

I had one a few years ago where the hiring manager obviously seemed startled at my age (we were actually the same age of 41 at the time) based upon the fact that my resume only included about twelve years on it. For reference, I hadn't *started* my professional career until 29 and got my Bachelor's at 32, but he still wanted to know where "the rest of my resume was". It seemed evident (along with the fact that I had hear prior to the role that he was wanting to mentor the person) that he saw my resume and figured I was in my early 30s. I did not get the job, and I saw that it was re-posted several months later.

[@imalwaysme4332]

@ghost mall You can sue someone asking that during an interview.

[@Bucinka8]

I had one like that in 2019. The recruiter was obviously from another country (won't say which country but they are common in my line of work), and I flat out said to him, you may be unaware that in the US that is not a legal question to ask. I didn't get the job. I don't sweat when organizations like that won't hire me, because I don't want to work for such organizations anyway. (The pay for that one was about 1/3 below the industry average anyway, so it doesn't take a genius to know they're looking for someone young and entry-level.)

[@minnie4218]

@ghost mall Nearly every application form in the UK asks your age, marital status, ethnicity, sexual preferences and gender identity. All things we were advised years ago not to ask as it could lead to discrimination. You were supposed to sift cv,s and do interviews based on job knowledge, experience, qualifications, good work ethic etc one application even asked what my father's occupation was when I was 14! Wtf has any of that got to do with my ability to do the job? Now when I put in my age, I instantly know I wont get an interview. I'm now officially in an alternative minority who faces discrimination.

[@erinh.665]

As a workforce trainer, I have been saying this for years, make the question about education dates illegal!

[@jsmall5952]

Absolutely after searching for employment for a while now at 50 I wish there was a way to hide my age until after being hired. I have aged gracefully so I feel confident that I would be safe in zoom interviews IF I could get them. I get frustrated when I get an email stated we were very impressed with your skills. Sure makes perfect sense you needed someone who did not have any knowledge of that position smh

[@Blakpepa]

Every single online application I've applied on asks date of birth, gender identity, race and you have to put the dates of your education...they do that and then brag about diversity when it's never the case😩

[@sugarsugar475]

Exactly. The state of New York asks several questions on gender identity. This whole topic is a waste of time. Ageism exists and it will never change. Best advice, shorten your resume, use a gmail account, and contact web people search sites to remove your info, including date of birth.

[@remlatzargonix1329]

Yes, indeed!....that is true. I can top that;....I mentioned that to any agency that is a government anti-discrimination agency, and they said that is NOT a form of discrimination?...So, if your bar for rejecting the candidate is their age, rather than whether they can do the job, that is discrimination....they STILL did not get it.....

[@Blakpepa]

@@remlatzargonix1329 they say this is for statistical reasons🤣 I think that I'm going to start identifying as white and non binary or identify as a white male on my applications. I've been tracking my job hunts for over 10 years on spreadsheets (I've applied to over 500 jobs 🙃) and not one where I had to complete the app and answer those questions replied when I indicated heterosexual black woman... NOT ONE. I actually invest so much time and customize my resume and cover letters for those jobs so it's an exact match. If I don't have to answer those questions I get a call...my data doesn't lie!

[@KyleTO7]

I'm 31 but look 21, I just finished my last few highschool credits in 2019, all my last employers thought I'm like 20 years old unless I tell them my age.

[@bob_fifi]

@@remlatzargonix1329 Ageism is very prevalent in todays workforce. You may have ton's of experience in the position your applying for but they pick the young good looking blond or the young good looking guy even though they have no clue..and most kids as I call them have " no clue" today..I can work circles around them but that still does't matter.

[@RadioLaPrincess]

Yep, starting around age 35. It got so bad I returned to school to work on a master's in counseling because I couldn't find jobs in marketing or website design. I encountered everything from "I only hire recent grads" to "your skills are outdated" to point-blank "Way too old". I can tell I won't get the job when everyone is much younger than me. Granted I pass much younger (I just turned 50 but people think I am much younger) but even so, once they see my resume they know. Also, employers are sneaky and will ask you questions about movies, tv, music you liked as a kid, had this happen.

[@ahmedhashmi3584]

Your last statement’s answer: They are trying to see if you fit in their company’s environment..

[@RadioLaPrincess]

@limelight81 I don't have all of my experience, I couldn't. However, I have the last ten years because it's relevant.

[@grazynawolska8160]

For women I agree. For me it was at 37.... I tried getting hired at a place for an Officer role (had officer experience on a contract that was ending) but they said they had someone with soooo much more experience but I was so great (said my rejection email lol). So I said thank you, since I'm so great could you recommend me for another job at your place? This time assistant and contract only? Sure they said and so I got hired. Whom did they hire for the officer permanent position? A 25 year old with a few months experience at a similar business. Hmmm.... So then a full time position comes up in my department. I'm now 38 and still assistant on contract. I apply and interview for the permanent assistant role.... and who gets it? 22 year old straight from the agency! She had 6 months office internship experience and her last job was a cashier at a reno store which she described in interview as "I handled the finances of a major multi-million dollar corporation" lol. Jokes on me cause it worked. She got the job, they paid extra 5k to agency to buy her out. She immediately went on vacation. Not even kidding she said after they hired her she had it booked and paid for. They were mad. Then she came back and behaved for 3 months. Those 3 months passed and she maxed out her entire 12 sick days in less than 6 weeks! After that she would only show up to work 4 days a week. 5th day was always some emergency. Of the 4 days she came in, 2 of those she came in at 10, 11 or 12.... not even kidding. By my estimate she only shows up for work 60% of the time. It would kill me to see how hard I work for the same money and they still didn't want me. She still works there btw. I have since quit and found a job that has a better title, pays a lot more and has a real pension. Before I left the HR asked me if I'm gonna apply to permanent assistant role in another dept. I said no, I tried getting a permanent job here twice. It didn't work out, so I got a permanent job elsewhere. You should have seen her face. To be honest she was always rooting for me but she is still HR. She has since quit this place also and so did the man they hired to replace me. He didn't even last a year. I think he saw how the lazy girl is working.... and they lowered his pay by the time he replaced me by a lot while lazy girl got paid a lot more to do next to nothing. I would have never believed age discrimination is real until I experienced it and saw it for myself because I was working along side the girls who got hired instead of me. Most women don't see it because they just don't get hired and never see whom they hired instead of them.

[@nunyabeezwax6758]

I'll lie about the lattermost and answer early 2000s stuff. But still ridiculous cheats like asking year of graduation and making it mandatory...

[@tiagodagostini]

Well I had the satisfaction of once being rejected with that excuse.. I started my company. Years later we were hiring for HR and surprise who was the candidate... as one of the owners I vetoed and went myself to say... you are over incompetent and too false of a person for our company.

[@Fast_Eddy_Magic]

It's not illegal for employers to discriminate. It's illegal to say that's the reason.

[@NYRyder1983]

It's wrong no matter what.

[@RFEng-ei5jt]

if an employer didn't like your shoes color, he can give you any reason to reject your application. especially that jobs descriptions are Multidisciplinary these days.

[@bonefishboards]

Ageism happens all the time and is rather blatant in many circumstances.

[@tracygrenier359]

Have you considered doing a video about companies that request one-way video interviews? Personally, I refuse to do them.

[@GreenCrim]

At 37 I decided to chase my dream career after going through work place bulling & management gaslighting in retail. I did my 4yr bachelors and completed my masters at age 41 & have been applying for jobs for close to 8 months now. I have previous qualifications related to my field of study but NO industry experience & I'm getting minimal bites from applications. Meanwhile I'm watching the 20 something year old kids that have only got their bachelors and no experience get snapped up within 2 months of graduating. The feedback I have managed to get as to why I'm not suited was "overqualified", yes this might be true but I have NO INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE so in that sense I'm no different to a 20 something yr old graduate, the only difference is an extra 6yrs of schooling and life experience. There's defiantly something else at play & ageism would be my bet 😕 You would think employers would be interested in someone who is dedicated, persist and know exactly what they want to do for their career, instead of some 20 something yr old kid who was pressured into doing a degree by their parents & is going to hate the job or change careers in 5 to 10 yrs... but unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case 🙁

[@douglasstrother6584]

Another gripe is "resume filters" by HR. Before these existed, the opportunity to study candidates who didn't have the right keywords could be considered by hiring managers. Now it's all "Apply online". Who knows how many seasoned veterans and newcomers have been ignored?

[@nancysmyth9686]

My current supervisor, who is 20 years younger than me, is being super-sneaky about getting "rid" of older employees who have been at the college for a long time. One of the tactics he uses is intimidation, poor reviews, micro-managing, gaslighting, not answering emails, etc. I know at least five people who have been targeted by this guy; the college ignores. He 100% annihilates anyone who doesn't share HIS view of a "positive work environment". He pits people against each other, assigns unbelievable "coaching" plans, and is overall a real tyrant. Just when you think you've gotten to a place of "peace" with this guy, he throws something else at you that requires a lot of effort to defend. I never had poor reviews prior to this guy; so many of us are fearful and are just "marking time". He has a "Rules for Thee, but Not for Me" attitude. I've been to HIS supervisors six times now; about to do my 7th. He is a bully. So debilitating to have to keep this up after so many years of hard work, dedication and innovation.

[@Dweeble233]

I've dealt with a bully once. Have a good cash reserve.. Never show fear and always be ready to walk. And most important, be on a first name basis with THEIR boss.

[@nancysmyth9686]

@@Dweeble233 I did report him 7 times; he finally left! Thank you!

[@frankcorrea8691]

Wait for him in the bathroom and dunk his head in the urinal lol@

[@jensz9360]

Sounds like you have to play his gaes against him. Dont let him scam you out of your job. That toxic bastard needs to get fired before they ruin lives.

[@Sheisme120]

That supervisor sounds like a total narcissist!

[@kaym7704]

It’s kind of satisfying to see people who age discriminate get discriminated themselves once they reach that age.

[@Jz-sv1ju]

Thats called Karma.

[@jeremiahmitchell6420]

I didn't SO GO TO HELL

[@nutech1810]

It's amazing. The young people that do this will face the same obstacle. It will be glorious.

[@cuivre2004]

Age discrimination- when they discriminate against their future selves.

[@minnie4218]

I never discriminated. I had the best people for the roles and they happened to be a huge age range, ethnicities and all other things. Shame these supposed young high flyers who look down on older workers will be replaced in probably a much shorter time span than we were.

[@alexsinov]

This channel should be more popular.

[@lairjuniortv]

I’m doing my part on that! I use to share many of its videos. It’s a great channel.

[@jimsalmon5158]

I took a roundabout route to finishing my engineering degree and didn’t get my masters until age 31. One of the companies I applied to, I received a call from the HR manager who only wanted to tell me that I am too old and I should be in the middle of my career by now. No questions about my qualifications, nothing. I was actually glad I didn’t get that job as there were more red flags than a Chinese communist parade.

[@larasmith5723]

Hahaha...you make me laugh about RED FLAGS...Chinese New Year have so many red flags & dragons too...at least it's festive. You are absolutely right about your thoughts. Our parents sent us to school to become a professional only to be employed by someone to do underpaid jobs for work experience.

[@DawnH123]

I started getting grey hair in high school. I used to let some grey hair show so I would not look too young in interviews. Now I’m coloring all that out so I don’t look too old. 😂

[@waterbottle4782]

I wish I still had hair!

[@remlatzargonix1329]

My niece suggested to me that I dye my hair, in order to avoid age discrimination. I am giving it a consideration, but I don't know where to start......I mean how do you know what shade or colour to use and how can I know whether or not it looks fake?....Also, I don't think barbers dye hair.

[@DawnH123]

@@remlatzargonix1329 your natural color and/or the color of your eyebrows is a safe bet. I suggest going to Sally Beauty Supply if you want to do it yourself. Barbers may not do coloring but most salons have colorists that will be happy to do it for you.

[@bigvalley4987]

@@remlatzargonix1329 You can go to a colorist. and they are considered a Cosmetologist. With additional licensing.☑️

[@stewartleslie3292]

@ghost mall There is a scientific study on balding. They discovered that if your mother farther has a full set of hair during life, then all of her sons will have a full set of hair through life.

[@KevinPanet]

With my advanced degree (MS HRM) and senior certifications (SPHR / SHRM-SCP), I didn't think ageism would be an issue for me. I was wrong. It definitely got tougher to find a job as I moved past age 45. However, I keep adding skills, taking on new opportunities, and try not to let it get me down. :-)

[@image30p]

This is frustrating, because there's no acceptable response. If you've done the hell out of the work already, you're overqualified. If you're ready to try a new skill set then you're underqualified. This is why I have severe misgivings about corporate culture. They don't allow a person to be honest. We have to figure out these elaborate lies. When the truth is that everyone has to pay rent. Even people over 40! *gasp* But I'm listening and I will try to use the advice. Thank you! And btw yes I have been a victim of ageism several times. I remember once I had to give my birthdate over the phone and my colleague exclaimed, "Jesus!" That infuriated me.

[@DemonsCrest1]

I'm a victim of ageism. i keep getting older every year. stupid calendar >_

[@1983jcheat]

I'm 37. Not Old, but not 25. I'm too Old to be a new hire in many places, but too young to be a CEO allegedly. Confusing stuff. There's a lot of "You should of had the push (big break) by now." as if I didn't want a break. People act like I just sat around waiting for a job. Life is funny.

[@Strider9655]

Here in the UK, the problem with age is that in my line of work (engineering) management just want yes men. They want people they can rail road into taking the fall for their bad decisions, and as you get older you start to realise that managers are not gods, they're just people, and in engineering they're usually technically clueless. You get to a point where you start being realistic and they don't like it, they don't like people who ask questions, people who tell them the truth. They'd rather hire young graduates who are a) programmed to never ask questions and b) cheap to hire c) naive and easy to push around.

[@bigvalley4987]

Very true. And adaptable to their company culture, and become a “Team Player”.

[@Strider9655]

@@bigvalley4987 No, never give up your individuality, you just become a coward, doomed to a miserable existence, too afraid to speak out, too afraid to do the right thing.

[@Jz-sv1ju]

That's Corporate Globalism and at the end of the day employees are a resource and are to be squeezed every last ounce of productivity from them. Greed for money is their number 1 priority.

[@obgfoster]

Not just the U.K. and not just engineering! Insecure leaders want people who know less than they do.

[@cuivre2004]

I have seen that exact thing! The boss gets threatened by you outshining him in his role. They love sycophants and toadies.

[@buda3d2007]

They want someone to mold and grow with the role AKA you want someone you can control and does not know any better, understood.

[@sl2608]

Exactly.

[@metastract]

Great share. Employers have actually got a really weak argument for choosing younger people over older steadier, more experienced workers on the basis of "we want them to grow in the company" since Millenials and Gen Z are known for "job hopping" and looking to move on after 2-3yrs.

[@TheSupervillain316]

I see this a lot at my company. I started there in 2000 and even then you'd see a few here and there move on, but in recent times the average stay is 3-5 years. The exception has become the norm there.

[@askingwhy123]

Great content, yes, but I want to highlight how well you connect through your videos. In a world of shouty, salesey KZbin content, it's nice to feel spoken with and not berated.

[@nickf2170]

I just had a hiring manager ask me, very first question..."What year did you graduate college"? When I told him 1977, then he nailed me for a gap in years for the early jobs I left off my resume, 15 years worth. They turned me down the very next day.

[@beauregard1uglydawg888]

I actually had a supervisor tell me that I would have time for the things that I wanted to do like play the violin 'when you are retired' ( I was 56 at the time and supervisor was 35). It happened in a meeting in front of the whole team. I didn't bring it up, the supervisor did. I was totally embarrassed. I reported the incident to the Ethics Hotline and never heard back about it. Later, the same supervisor kept bothering me about minor things much more than she did anyone else on the team(they were all younger). I reported it to Human Resources and included the meeting comments. They never got back to me after promising to 'look into it'. Then, that same supervisor fired me shortly thereafter. Of course it was retaliation. But, she seemed to have the backing of the company since they didn't admonish her in any way. She was allowed to continue on the same path. The firing came right before I turned 59 1/2! Such timing on the part of that company was very telling.

[@christinerath8382]

You should contact a lawyer about this. This is classic ageism and discrimination. You have a valid case and should sue for damages.

[@brendaechols5929]

That type of stuff happened at my old job all the time. This was a billion dollar company. They did nothing.

[@jeneuweenlaf948]

It's so infuriating to hear that. HR can be such a**wholes. And I work in HR. I see it all.

[@JM-kd1mr]

HR is there because it has to and to help the company. HR is never there to help its employees.

[@allendaniel2748]

People can be discriminated on all bases that’s a fact of life! I worked in trades and because I had to go for hip replacement I needed to find a job in an office. The personalities I came across made me wonder if there are still people out there! There are plenty of animals in some offices, sometimes it makes one wonder if you are in the zoo?

[@stephaniedudley1646]

I just had an interview last week where I looked at my interviewer, she looked at me, saw my age, I could practically see her doing the mental calculation (because I was very qualified for the role and it was clear on my resume that I was) and then after that nothing I could say would be in a direction towards it being a good fit. I think it's super important to practice bringing it up with the interviewer so you can "break the forth wall" and if they still don't like you, well, you've done everything that you can. If you can't do anything right, it's probably not a place you want to work for anyway.

[@nawakaida7499]

The only way to avoid discrimination would be to not include your name since that reveals your race and gender and possibly even religion. You would also not include your address since that shows your financial status. You would not include the dates of employment or the year you got your degree since that reveals your age. They wouldn’t be able to ask about your availability since that reveals your maternal status and family obligations. And they wouldn’t be able to reject you based off of what previous employers said since that would be seen as retaliation. The entire hiring process is set up to discriminate otherwise resumes wouldn’t require your full name, Address and dates and you wouldn’t be required to meet in person for that examination. The pay-rate would just be listed in the job posting too since the pay shouldn’t be TBD depending on who they hire. The pay should be what it is regardless who you hire otherwise your discriminating if your willing to pay one person far less even though the same is required from all applicants.

[@MrNationalWonder]

The most common form... "We are looking for someone with two years prior experience before you apply with this entry level Job."

[@westdu5961]

Very true lol When you complain about that, people say "Oh, the employer meant doing some school work or volunteer work, you know, count them towards experience". I was like "Ok alright". Opens Glassdoor, look for Volunteer work, "2-year experience required for an ICT helper at xxx event, or xxx project, or xxx charity/school". Then I somehow managed to lie my way into the volunteer work, got the 6-month experience, the recruiters tell you: " Sorry bud, unpaid jobs don't really count as experiences". I go "Fk this world, with a smell :)". Finally, I realized: this is an employer's market, supply < demand, they can pull whatever the sht they want and there's nothing you can do about it, unless you are either hot as a supermodel, or got over a million fans on Insta coz you look like a hot model.

[@allnfun6315]

And they don’t want to train you even in an entry level. Just go to work then berate you when they question you on details a year down the road.

[@mmeeddddddozzzzzzz3421]

It's interesting in that more and more people are opting to work beyond 65 for a variety of reasons, ranging from not wanting to be bored at home, having not saved enough to retire, to not having planned to retire because those in your social circle don't retire at 65. As for ageism, a while back someone did want to know when I had graduated college. He was the hiring manager, and he wasn't native to this country, so he may have genuinely been ignorant of the implications of the question he was hiring, but I was quite put off by his question.

[@Narnia1963]

I’m having trouble with being discriminated because of my disability. I was constantly harassed in one job about my diabetes management, and in my last job, they refused to let me treat a low, and I passed out and now have permanent nerve damage.

[@Miz-Newsy]

You should sue them. Thats terrible!

[@HeadHunterSix]

If companies are really concerned that older employees are a "flight risk" because they'll leave if they get a better offer, the solution is to pay them competitively, not to low-ball them because they can get a college kid to do it for less. And honestly, in what way does that differ from a younger person who can do the same once they have some experience? As for "fitting into the culture", is the company's stated culture one of inclusivity and equal opportunity? If so, then age discrimination does not fit with the alleged culture. Honestly, I'm not sure I'd even want to work for a company that has these reservations in mind - if they won't treat you fairly in the hiring process, the reason you'll soon leave has little to do with your "overqualification" and more to do with the concerns I mentioned above.

[@obgfoster]

Maybe the best question to ask is how long the previous person was in the role!

[@HeadHunterSix]

@@obgfoster an excellent observation. And how they respond to that challenge says as much as the answer.

[@rechitsapivo]

The problem with diversity and inclusion", it's about hiring diversity hires like black-women-lgbtq, not older straight white males.

[@davidbrewer7937]

I am 57 with 30+ years post qualification in electronics/electrical. My technical quals are old... but in my area of expertise, the stuff in education above the core physics quickly becomes obsolete. I would reckon academic stuff is valuable for about the first 10 years at most, after that it must be based in experience & proven history. In my whole working life I have spent most of my leisure time with a technical book learning new stuff, so much so that I have only ever had time to read a handful of non technical books over the last 30 years. Then the firm I worked for (8 years) made a bad change & it ultimately cost me my job. The timing was such that it worked for me as I had to take a break from my career for a couple of years. Now trying to return, I feel like the market has decided to knock me off the ladder & take that ladder away altogether...

[@Longlostpuss]

Had to take a break for a couple of years, or had no choice but to take a break for a couple of years?

[@davidbrewer7937]

@@Longlostpuss House fire which destroyed our home. I left to rebuild it & it was no hard choice to leave the job which had turned bad anyway... I have since started a dream job & love it. The key here is: don't give up, it is a candidates market at the moment. There has never been a better time to find a job & the wages are going up to attract the right people.

[@Longlostpuss]

@@davidbrewer7937 Sorry to hear that, house fires can be devastating, particularly if they destroy family heirlooms and stuff like that. Good to hear it worked out for you in the job front thought, every cloud and all that.

[@davidbrewer7937]

@@Longlostpuss Yes, the personal bits & bobs were the real loss. Everything else we replaced with new or something else if we didn't want to replace it. The house is nice & new, no surprises...

[@a.r.r.5626]

Guess that I should not include a link to my MySpace site then? 😂

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

Is your name Tom?

[@a.r.r.5626]

@@ALifeAfterLayoff No, sir....

[@jenmck8146]

Lol!

[@douglasstrother6584]

During a phone interview several years ago, I got a bad vibe of ageism due to the nature and repetition of the questions from the interviewers; it sounded like they were reading an unrehearsed script. Ironically, it was for a company that I delivered critical products for their system during my prior gig. Their loss: I enjoy working with, learning from and teaching my colleagues. Doing that now.

[@suzyjohnson2974]

I feel like the question “are you willing to relocate?” is just code for “are you under 40?” 😬

[@suzyjohnson2974]

@limelight81 I wouldn’t know about that because I have never applied for a job that offered remote work. I have, in the past, applied for MANY local jobs that have asked this question. Owning a home, having older kids, having elderly parents nearby who might need help, etc are all reasons that would make relocation for a job- especially one that doesn’t pay particularly well- not desirable. And much more difficult and complicated as you get older.

[@izamalcadosa2951]

All the time and I'm only 43! Over a decade in tech and don't get too many calls even with the most up to date skills and tech smarts!

[@joyphillips1821]

I've had a manager tell me she doesn't want to hire someone with more or the same experience as her because she doesn't want someone too independent and telling her what to do.

[@nfspbarrister5681]

That's dumb and be thankful you did not work there. I would love if my hires are people i can discuss and have brainstorming meeting.

[@namedropper126]

I got laid off at 50 and have worked several contracts since. No permanent job offers and i gave up trying for that. I trained all the new folks they hired on my last contract. I got a part time job, frig corporate b.s.

[@novadhd]

The older I get the less interested in want go thru interview process again or deal with ageism. It is hard enough to get hired let alone deal with discriminations. Thx for sharing.

[@PJ-fl3do]

Yes I totally agree I’m about to turn 48 and am tiring

[@barose1]

As a returning student (went back in my mid-30s), I feel I have an advantage if they have to know when I graduated with my graduate degree. :) Of course, my work experience goes further back, but my recent “schooling” is sometimes a head-scratcher. Then again, it’s their fault for assuming that everyone goes to college directly out of high school.

[@Native722]

Agreed, went through this myself.

[@dvillebenny1445]

And this bias is exactly why so many companies are in trouble. They don't have employees with wisdom and the "life experience" to steer the ship around the storm or know enough to stay away in the first place.

[@ashleydarby7678]

I noticed that saying I'm a recent college graduate has been hurting me more than helping me

[@designlady1732]

I legit submitted a quick-apply job application on LinkedIn where the employer had added a few preliminary questions in addition to the upload of resume + salary requirement: "Are you above or below 40 years old?". I withdrew my application. That's discriminatory no matter how you slice it.

[@nutech1810]

I would say just start posting bad reviews about the company and maybe start considering lawsuits about ageism. Companies need to learn a valuable lesson. Just because someone is 40 or 50 that does not mean people are dead or lack in adaptability. Everything you are saying is pure age discrimination. I am 42 and in very good shape, and I can feel it. I had to hire a lawyer. I have applied to many jobs on LinkedIn, emailed managers and people within the company, and it does not work lol - I do not get how people have all this time in their lives to network. Employers wonder why people are quitting like crazy and do not want to return to work. I have had multiple people refer me to jobs, that never worked. I am introverted and do not really enjoy networking.

[@neenahlacroix9869]

I'm an introvert too..we have to become actresses and actors to work with others..its hard to put on a grand Oscar winning performance everyday but sometimes we have to unfortunately.

[@napoleonbonaparte4396]

What is a problem with a person if s/he is overqualified? Is he going to ruin a company reputation or what? I never understand it. Can anyone explain?

[@VielofDarkness]

I was age discriminated against while IN a Job. People were choosing not to use me for their projects because I "Cost too much," and giving it to young employees because they were "Younger and less expensive." This was all despite I had an abundance of experience, and was extremely efficient for those projects. They essentially phased me out due to "less work available." Thing is, I wasn't that OLD, but age was already working against me.

[@BlackDim100]

My wife is a recruiter in the tech industry and has said that Ageism doesn't really exist that much. However, she has changed her tune watching me try to land a new job after 26 years with one company.

[@tiagodagostini]

oo it exist and it is rampant. I have a friend that worked in HR of several tech companies.. she said almost all have a rule of No hires over 40, unless you have direct internal recommendation

[@dcocz3908]

You didn't watch his other video about loyalty did you?

[@jtixtlan]

You are correct! The US data proves it: The median number of years that wage and salary workers had been with their current employer was 4.1 years in January 2022, unchanged from the median in January 2020 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Sept. 2022). Since 1996, surveys have been conducted biennially in January as a supplement to the Current Population Survey (CPS), a monthly sample survey of about 60,000 households. Median employee tenure was generally higher among older workers than younger ones. For example, the median tenure of workers ages 55 to 64 (9.8 years) was more than three times that of workers ages 25 to 34 years (2.8 years). Also, a larger proportion of older workers than younger workers had 10 years or more of tenure. For example, among workers ages 60 to 64, 53 percent had been employed for at least 10 years with their current employer in January 2022, compared with 9 percent of those ages 30 to 34 (U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Sept. 2022).

[@Bethabanks]

After 30 years at a large financial services firm, I lost my position.. took 2 years off to fo retrain in fintech and AI and have landed 2 positions at smaller fintech firms. Reasons, Global Experience, Tons of client-facing experience, Lots of public speaking, and the latest technology skills...Am on the market again wish me luck.

[@legeriniowa1]

I have actually had a company tell me they were concerned about my age, and the fact that I have asthma. Granted it was an HVAC company who did a lot of older homes, which meant attics and crawl spaces, but I was only 45 at the time, and I always have my rescue inhaler on me. I think the owner just didn't want me to be honest.

[@freckleface954]

Yes this has occurred to me many times. When asked about age I respond with are you sure you can ask that and then follow up with i could be the same as your mother or older sister. Then ask them their age and control the interview according to how they have responded. It was already predetermined i wouldn't get the job and i made the interviewers squirm.

[@minnie5301]

Absolutely a victim. Job searching for over 18 months. I've kept my skills current. I have gone for many roles and I certainly don't mind starting at the bottom again. I have only had three interviews. I've revamped my CV with help but getting nowhere. I do voluntary work to meet others and enhance my skills further. Now I have a big gap in my resume to explain as well. I will certainly look at your other material. Thank you for your videos. They are excellent

[@Longlostpuss]

Maybe the problem is that you're undervaluing yourself by your willingness to start at the bottom again. When you really think about it, what impression does that give to employers when you've had a long career and supposed to be putting yourself forward as the best candidate? As you approach the twilight of your career, you should be at your best. Taking a role that puts your right back to where you started shouldn't even be a consideration, it doesn't make any sense. The employer will just give it to someone fresh out of school, much cheaper and makes more logical sense for the level of role.

[@neilmcdougall4927]

I’m done with the carousel. Money talks louder. So I’m on the path to becoming self employed. I do x for £y. Make £y competitive. Handle all aspects. Help people 1:1. Pick and choose clients and disregard if be. Contract means to reduce. Expand and Forge a path forward without being caught up in the nonsense and their never ending agents

[@nc5total]

Most companies require dates of graduation when you create a profile with them. Leaving it off of your resume can only go so far. Would love to know where the executive/senior level roles are actually posted because they aren’t easy to find.

[@CaToRi-]

There are headhunters specialized in executive positions only

[@shadowninja6689]

That's because while it's an illegal interview question to ask what someone's age is it's not to ask what year they graduated from school/college.

[@obgfoster]

@@shadowninja6689 in that case, I graduated at the age of -15!

[@adude7050]

I just went through 4 interviews with the same company for a job identical to what I was currently doing. The first interview was with corporate the next three was with the location manager. They usually separate the interviews with the location manager into three separate ones. The location manager told me I impressed them so much that if I had the time they would like to put me through the remaining two right then.. At the end, he was basically telling me where my desk was going to be. Next thing I know I get an email from corporate saying they were looking for someone better suited to the position. ??????.

[@rickh8380]

I was laid off from my position and I am in my twilight years of my career, but I don't really care because I can collect unemployment insurance until it runs out. That money will be put into savings to help me relocate to a different state were my social security money will go further. If I get called into interviews of not I'm fine with that because that will be one of my three contacts per week I need to get my unemployment insurance. To the other folks trying to find a job...hang in there. I wish only the best for you in your lives. Take care.

[@learning2bcivil]

I’ve actually had a hiring manager ask how old I was during an interview.

[@mikerusby]

well I am pretty much doomed, aged 55 it seems impossible to get a job now ( video games industry) Even freelance stuff is hard to come by now. I know how to get stuff done, so its really unfair

[@kevindunn1013]

YES! Put out 150+ resumes via linked in, Zip Recruiter and the like: found out that I was dating myself on my resume. Still looking, but thanks to your video; I'm now more relevant.

[@wendywebster5920]

My parents used to have their own medical advisory company (for insurance companies). And whenever a job was coming up, she would go through the letters and CVs (well before e-mail was properly in use - we are talking about 1980s and 1990s) and make sure that people were not too old for administration work (!?). Why? Because a) they were too expensive and b) older people (read: 40+) were harder to mold to do the work in a particular way. With other words, too much experience prevented you from getting a job and heaven forbid you could think for yourself. I didn't care for this at all. But, saying that, late '90s my mother did finally let some of this bias go and started hiring older administrators as well. Simply because she was proven on multiple occasions that younger people can be just as "stubborn" in learning (new) skills, as older people can be.

[@ralph5063]

Twenty years in the engineering field down the drain. Went from designing products to working pt, min. wage jobs. They're all 'going with other (younger) candidates'!

[@joylynch5204]

Not sure sure how long they can keep doing this though because there aren’t enough young people to replace all the jobs since people are having less and less kids to keep up with replacement rates

[@nekomimi5471]

Yes. When I was 49yo, I was interviewed by a team of 3 people who were around 28-30yo. All but two of their questions were textbook violations of the Federal Age Discrimination in Employment Act. Their HR department failed to teach them what they can and cannot ask. I withdrew my application.

[@jensz9360]

You should take a recorder with you and video the whole thing with a hidden cam. Employers need accountability for this crap and need to be sued.

[@TheSupervillain316]

In 1991 I was 18 and applied for a job assembling bicycles. There were 8 other applicants and all were 20 years older than me. Each type of job had particular questions about the products.. I was the only one who answered all 6 of the bike questions correctly if at all, I've been working on bikes since I was 4. I was asked about reliable transportation and answered with the year and make of my 2 cars which were 10 years old and got a side eye glare. I suspect too since it was a recession that the people with families were already getting the sympathy vote. I was just a kid in their eyes, despite owning thousands of dollars in tools and knowing all the answers on the application

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

Sorry but during the recession, older workers never got a sympathy vote. They were treated callously.

[@TheSupervillain316]

@@fremontpathfinder8463 keyword, suspected. It could easily be I was seen as the youngest there and not one who would responsible like the others. Or maybe nothing of the age was a factor, who knows

[@TheSupervillain316]

@@fremontpathfinder8463 to be fair I did see that in the late 1990s after my father retired from a job at age 54. He was not called for interviews or not hired for a long list of jobs he was qualified for and often suspected ageism

[@fredvaladez3542]

Years ago, I had a phone interview with Microsoft. I had plenty of experience in programming and documentation. Too much, as it turned out, The lady on the phone asked me what year I got my college degree. This caught me off guard so I answered truthfully. Of course this question was to determine my age. I never heard from them again.

[@Native722]

I would refuse to answer the question

[@fredvaladez3542]

I'm sure you are right, but at the time I couldn't think of a response that would not sound snotty.@@Native722

[@howiesfunware]

I find it amazing corporate recruiters are not smart enough to look at the first date on your resume to get an idea of your age. I can't help but notice their initial shock when they first meet me.

[@johnthompson7548]

I had one ask what is my hobbies. While that seems innocent, it’s not. They can tell your age based on what you do.

[@Otherwise88]

That's interesting to consider...I can see how collecting Pokemon cards might give age away, but what about playing with your dog, working out, or reading? I only mention hobbies that I think will make me look good like reading, travelling and learning languages. I've never thought of those as being indicative of age.

[@remlatzargonix1329]

Yeah, but I wonder what their face would look like if you said "my hobby is kickboxing people who ask stupid questions"....you are not getting the job anyway..you might as well have fun with it?😀

[@csc1641]

@@remlatzargonix1329 LMAO.

[@cheezemansam9567]

A month ago I was pretty directly told they were looking someone "with an age with potential for more growth...". I am not even 30....

[@dzhero3752]

Thanks for posting this video; just right for the issue I am facing right now; ageism. I am 48 applying for a software engineering role; and already did get few rejections saying I am over qualified for the job.

[@FinasJourney]

I relate on this topic. In our country that is also the rule. When your old then companies are turning you down or they advertise that the job is only for age up to 30 years old.

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

Wow, They can advertise a max age in your country?

[@FinasJourney]

@@ALifeAfterLayoff yes. They are very inconsiderate and unfair

[@theunderrated86]

@@ALifeAfterLayoff In Asian countries it's absolutely normal. There's no such thing as discriminating age, gender, or religion, it's anything goes over here.

[@CaToRi-]

In Some countries in South America is very common that the person includes a picture of themselves with their resume. Also there are ads that require that photo in order to consider the resume

[@danielnawrocki2173]

@@ALifeAfterLayoff Well that's life in UK they profile you based on age and marital status anyways So I'm always" single " non smoker blah blah blah ........ Anyways at the end of the day it's all about money ,job it's a means to the end,a tool that will fund my life. Not reason for my life.when tool wears off you can either, fix it or throw it away and get a new one.

[@keith2o9]

Still a college kid, turned in a resume at a restaurant nearby. And the person who took in my resume automatically asked me for my age.

[@TheSnerggly]

completely illegal

[@maxhouse2409]

Establishments that serve alcohol are age sensitive.

[@keith2o9]

@KZbin Censors pretty sure. But im over 21. Probably just age discrimination or just appearances.

[@stephenbayer3909]

On your resume and LI profile, do not include your dates of graduation, just put the school names and degrees. If an employer presses on your dates of graduation, ask how that information is relevant to the job for which you're applying.

[@user-rs6ln7nc4g]

A lot of online apps require you to fill in ALL the info or you cannot advance it to the next page.

[@HungSingUSA]

I have had recruiters tell me I was lying about my degree, because I left the dates off.

[@stephenbayer3909]

@@HungSingUSA What was your response?

[@HungSingUSA]

@@stephenbayer3909 I did ask what the year had to do with anything and then was then told a lot of time, people who leave dates off are really making it up. This annoyed me, I put a lot of effort into getting the degree, so I asked them if they were trying to figure out how old I was. They would not answer that part. They kept pushing, so I finally told them 1989. I work in technology and the belief is, that anyone over 50 cannot learn. I started programming when I was 13 and am still learning, I just got a Masters degree. On my resume now, I have the date on the masters degree, and left off the Bachelors date. I also removed my work experience before 2004.

[@stephenbayer3909]

@@HungSingUSA I really would have taken this as a big red flag and sign that the company was unethical and toxic to work for.

[@mistiinseattle]

You are gotten rid of by age discrimination too. They will find ways. A worker in a higher position than I actually asked me why I was not retired and said "[company name] has ways of getting rid of older people." She was living with my boss at the time. Shortly thereafter I got the first terrible review in my life (over 50 years of working). I had seen it happen to a lot of other people. I ended up retiring two years earlier than planned.

[@jazzman9469]

Thank you for the information. I am in a situation where my company just down-sized me out and as an Operation Manager at 62, the question is, now what? I know it won't be easy to land a top position at my age. I can retire, but I love working.

[@Bethabanks]

Go for it Jazzman!! it is possible, I am proof..🙂

[@chernagast6754]

Definitely turned down for my age. Came back later. No one under 30 working there.

[@mindbodysoul340]

This means I'm screwed :-(

[@green2red]

It's not so much age "discrimination", but more that I look alot younger than I am. I try to avoid discussion of my age at all because when people find out, they can't reconcile my age vs my looks.

[@natalia_00123]

This is common where I live. Employers would put max age on their job ads.

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

Yikes! Highly illegal in the USA.

[@lesleymorgan01]

I'm 65 and was just part of a mass layoff after "exceeding expectations" for three years and getting promoted. This will devastate me financially if I can't find another job FAST since I have no family to fall back on (as if I would, but still). I was also laid off due to ageism. The script they used was "this company is moving in the AI direction." It did no good to point out my frequent use of generative AI, certificate courses, finalist for an internal AI hackathon, one of 1% of the company who was given a MS Copilot license for the purpose of beta testing, etc. I know I have a good resume because I'm getting lots of recruiter contact, and there are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of open positions in my field. But when they figure out how old I must be, I get ghosted. I used to joke about having to be a greeter at Walmart. Maybe it won't end up being a joke after all.

[@kimberly4987]

This was SO IMPORTANT to discuss! I have been in this position many times. So many employers require dates of your education. You don't have a chance with that to hide anything. My situation is that I am in that 1980-1984 education range that you spoke about. I have a license as well and my 30 years of experience is in the mortgage industry. Employers see that and ask why I am leaving but I am not. It's not uncommon for people to have 2 jobs. I mean what idiot would let their license go inactive? It's too hard to get in the first place. What I do on my off time is really none of their business. Just because I am applying for another industry position at entry level compensation doesn't mean that I am leaving the industry or that I am a flight risk. The income that I need to pay my bills is what they are paying than why would they care. I have current award-winning skills from the mortgage industry that would apply to any industry but I get told all the time that I am over qualified. Why "old school" is looked down upon is beyond me. We old school people have excellent ethics that most younger people just don't have. The thing is jobs in the mortgage industry are few and far between yet I still need a job to live. This video was like you were talking to me direct and I would assume that there are many others in my same position. Regarding the video and being active with the comments and so forth who has time for that when it takes forever just to complete an application these days. You put so much into just completing these applications and tests to have no one look at them is extremely disappointing. Struggling and going through all of these challenges for months and months only adds more problems because than it puts you into a distress mode. I am not negative. I am real. These are real issues that are almost impossible to overcome. It will destroy you and everything that you have earned and built for yourself. It seems that from a customer stand point that employers are not doing themselves any favors by hiring people that don't have old school skills as evidence of the crappy customer service or quality of the service and product in todays world. Just my opinion but its justified by the evidence of what they are hiring.

[@robinharper683]

I could have written the above post word for word with the exception that I am a paralegal, not a real estate person. I had a really great job, with great benefits and great pay. There were people who had been with the organization for 20 or 30 years. It was a badge of honor. I was in a key position. I had been there for 5 1/2 years and performed my job with exceptional skill and expertise. My supervisor retired and we new supervisor. She immediately started cleaning house. She never fired anyone, but she ran people off. One person on our team quit within weeks, one person quit within a month, one person held on for three months and all the positions were filled with people that were her friends. Someone she knew from college, a next door neighbor, a former co-worker. She didn't want anyone working under her who had worked for the previous supervisor. She wanted her own team that was loyal to her. Out with the old, in with the new. I loved my job, I was good at it and I was in my mid fifties so I dug my heels in and took whatever she dished out for more than two years....until I couldn't anymore and made the mistake of talking to HR for advice. Two weeks later I was let go. The official word was due to budget cuts. I wasn't the only one who got laid off so I can't prove anything. So now I'm out here at 58 looking for a job. I land interviews very quickly. I look good on paper. Then after I go for the interview I am either ghosted or get a Dear Jane letter. In the meantime, I have to work. My bills collector don't say, Oh she's 58 so she's too old to pay her bills. I'm too young for SSI and too old to get job, so what am I supposed to do? Kill myself? Cause you can't live for free. You still have to pay the mortgage and the utilities and the student loans and you still have to eat. That money has to come from somewhere. So then I do try for lower jobs like customer service and cashier jobs because some money is better than no money. But yes, applying for those jobs is all on-line with AI looking for those magical keywords that I don't have because I've been working in Contract Law and Records Management for the last 10 years. I can't get past the AI to get an interview with a real person to try to sell myself. I can't even get hired on at McDonald's or at a Convenience Store which has always been my fall back in hard times. I'm living on my severance package for the moment, but that isn't going to last forever and I need insurance too. It's like being in a desert with no oasis in sight. And yes, after weeks and weeks of interviews and no offers, just rejections it does beat you up and it's very distressing. Especially when your parents taught you to earn your own way and you are a military veteran on top of it. I just want a job. I just want to work. Is that really too much to ask?

[@kimberly4987]

All I can say is it has destroyed my life. Employers are missing out on good employees and it shows in the quality of their businesses. I am so sick of hearing there are so many jobs out there and they are hurting for good employees because that is false or the hiring staff relies on the computer to do the job of hiring. The labor board is no help either. Three years to even get a case heard when it’s right there in black and white. They do not enforce the laws and don’t care that businesses are abusing employees. Meanwhile lives being destroyed.

[@robinharper683]

@@kimberly4987 Absolutely. Couldn't have said it better. And yes I agree about the linked in business too. Who has time for that? I'm on the computer 10-12 hours per day sending out resumes and filling out application or going on interviews. I'm now working with staffing agencies at this point. A temp position is better than no position.

[@kimberly4987]

That’s so true some money is better than no money. It’s also having a purpose and with a little luck temporary could turn into permanent. Ditto with being on the computer searching, submitting, taking assessment tests, and interviews. Things have changed so drastically with regard to experience and excelling in your career. I was taught to go above and beyond. To be the very best and that has won me awards. However, those acknowledgments don’t seem to be a plus when being compared to another person also applying for the same position or is looked at as a potential threat to a hiring manager. I was also told that it makes me look to expensive to hire. I have also run into people not liking the fact that I hold a license. Which is very hard for me to wrap my head around. Its nice easy to get a license and maintain it in good standing even if you don’t use it or use it on your personal time. One thing that I have experienced twice is being scammed. Who would think that people would use the job search to rip people off. They are good at it too and that has caused problems as well. It’s not just the bullies and jealous coworkers that you have to watch out for any more. It’s exhausting and all the time it takes with no income yet bills are stacking up and no way to pay them. I don’t like to sound negative these are facts and real life real time situations that are occurring and it’s just too much after months and months.

[@robinharper683]

@@kimberly4987 Yes, I hear you. Fortunately, I have not been scammed, but they are trying. There are so many fake jobs out there and the "contractors" calling about non-existent jobs and they cannot even speak English, so you can't even understand what it is that they are supposedly offering you. The scammers go in an pull you resume off of job boards. The longer you have been looking, the more desperate you are and they are like sharks to blood. That's another reason for using reputable, local staffing agencies. And yes, the bills just keep coming and coming and coming. The only thing that has saved me is because my cat has her own Facebook Page with over 5,000 followers. They have raised quite a bit of money to help me and the cats and they have sent multiple Chewy orders with food, litter and treats for the cats. I am beyond grateful for all of their help. I can't even put into words how deeply appreciative I am, but they can't carry me forever. In fact, it makes me feel guilty, because I know everybody is hurting financially and the holidays are coming. I know what you mean about the awards, licenses, etc. I have been told that I am too smart, too qualified, have too much experience and therefore I am a threat to superiors. You can't win for losing. For years, I couldn't get a job because I didn't have the education or the experience. Now I can't get a job because I do have the education and experience. What makes it worse is I'm a Veteran which is supposed to carry some weight, but apparently not. And like you, I'm not trying to be negative either. I'm just a realist. I don't know how to function in a world that won't allow people who want to work to have a job. AI is destroying the workforce. I keep telling everyone The Terminator is real. LOL

[@nycitylifeandhistory]

I am 66 and have done contract work the last 10 years. I find bringing my age up myself has been very effective.

[@BLaw707]

Yes, with contract work the employer is getting experience and skills from older workers without having to provide benefits or a long-term commitment.

[@nycitylifeandhistory]

@@BLaw707 being on medicare I do not need benefits. It works for me but I am sure it likely does not work for all

[@fuzzypicklez]

Correct me if I'm wrong, LinkedIn wants the dates of everything.

[@CaToRi-]

Linkedin is almost a virus. If the person is not aware, he /she will end giving too much information, information that can be used to steal your identity

[@taiuqsab]

You don’t have to put dates on education. I don’t because I don’t want people trying to guess my age. I’m very young to be where I am in my career and it’s because I don’t tell my age.

[@katmandu2478]

I am hooked on your vids. Very good content and realistic issues. Looking forward to joining your training courses. Thank you! I’ve experienced ageism, I landed an interview at a major software company and the young manager said, didn’t they (HR) tell you this was for recent grads? Nice. I can’t figure out why people like Nancy Peloisi can continue to work beyond 80? 🤔

[@vrj40]

Sorry to write about book but I have to vent after my recent experiences. I have experienced this several times since turning at least 40 years of age. I'm in the medical field and worked in the nursing home sector of a health system and applied to a position a hospital sector of the same health system so I could gain additional medical experience in acute care but couldn't get hired which made no sense. I was one of the best workers in the job I held at that health system. I left and got hired at another health system at their hospital and stayed there until I went off to school fulltime last year. And again, was one of the best employees at that job. Then just recently applied to another health system that is closer to my house to work for the summer and perhaps part time when next semester resumes and since have gained two more years of experience and additional education and am in a top university's nursing program and still running into the same problem as before where I can't even get an interview? And just three years earlier this same health corporation was offering me a job after I had just recently been hired by another health system. By the way, this health system constantly advertises jobs in this field year-round. Meanwhile, they hired my much younger relative who is in a different field in healthcare and graduated from a "for profit school's" health program that just recently got accredited, and she stayed in the job less than 3 months before she quit and went elsewhere. Ageism it seems is in full flow. And I called their talent acquisition to see if there was a problem perhaps with the way I formatted my resume, etc. The young lady from HR who submitted my app to the hiring managers said she would give my info to them and of course so far, no return call, lol. And all these health systems tout that they give tuition reimbursement etc. so they should have no problem with that fact that I'm furthering my education in healthcare and going to school fulltime. All these health systems claim they fully support their employees furthering their education in the medical field so they shouldn't have a concern with me or anyone else in the field going to school fulltime.

[@cathunter3874]

Victim of ageism at 32. After getting to the top of my first career I stupidly bothered getting a degree and was then prevented from having a second. Still working entry level with my oodles of experience twenty years later. Couldnt't afford to have an adult life, basically. Wish I hadn't bothered. If I had stayed in my first career I would have been retired by now.

[@heleneg525]

It seems that companies are more concerned with a candidate "having the right fit" than if they can actually perform the role. My Dad had his own business, and he was definitely more concerned about the latter than the former.

[@donbrooks4988]

They can't ask your high school dates but they can ask your college graduation date because it's still legal. I agree that it should only be disclosed after a conditional offer is made and it is needed to process the background verification. It is also funny how companies tout their fringe benefits package such as 401k matching but will say your only vested after 4 years. Of course, as you said, most employees will be gone by that time.

[@kdlofty]

I've been a victim of age discrimination at both ends of the scale. The first one they were blatantly open about it (a few months after i was passed over).

[@DGPHolyHandgrenade]

This is a topic that I fear I've but up against in my latest job search. I'm in my mid 40's now, and my last position I held for 16 years. I grew a lot in that position and I stayed there because I was constantly growing. However, I've gotten the "your knowledge is outdated" even though I stated clearly in both resume and interview that I'd been supporting that application/solution most recently and is still in use at that employer. On the bonus side, I never was in a great position financially to feasibly get a degree. In IT it wasnt and still isnt required for most jobs (some are snobbish though) But I also feel confident when they ask when I attended because that was just a few years ago because I was trying to utilize the tuition reimbursement benefit and try to work towards it in my free time. However it got too expensive and cost-benefit just isnt there to finish with today's tuition prices. The big bonus is that most of the right employers are the same age range and have a similar background as me so I'm getting in good with them. But in general it does feel a bit awkward in some interviews where I know it's going downhill because they start asking about my experience and age and how much longer I plan on working, etc.

[@lowtiertactical7701]

Here is my pitch. "I was a essential worker and I stayed working through the pandemic".

[@portlandrestaurants]

I have hired all ages and they all have pros and cons. Diversity is key. Also make sure not to put a hard experience range since it can signal discrimination

[@remlatzargonix1329]

The problem is that when they ask you out put clear dates on your resume, they can subtlety age discriminate....if you obtained your masters degree 20-30 years ago, the you are not in your thirties.....

[@nfspbarrister5681]

....wow. So those with "skipped grades" in middle or highschool and finished their undergrad quickly, would be in the targeting pool huh?

[@germancavelier8434]

Wonderful subjects and recommendations! Thank you!

[@NR-vx1de]

'The Intern' and 'The Internship' are good movies that describe agism problems even after you are actually hired.

[@TheVeryAgilePM]

I am in this place. I am glad you are coaching these HM. Overqualifed along with you'll get bored. 7 months of being laid off.