Aggretsuko's Nice Guy Problem

[@SarcasticChorus]

Tsunoda X Feneko still top tier

[@alinelili2746]

OMG YEEES, I thought I was insane for shipping the two of them, but I love them together. I don't like Feneko and Haida simply bc I think Feneko is too good for him, but Tsunoda X Feneko is top tier

[@obara7366]

I've never thought of this, but now I'm instantly in love with it.

[@panda_instinct]

Preach

[@brandonscott5544]

Unbelievable sarcastic chorus 😡🔥

[@shirouogamifromanimacity264]

@@obara7366 haida's mom reminds me of rayne and lady death's mother's from bloodrayne and lady death because three of them are the best mother's but lady death's mother was kidnapped by her own husband Lucifer and rayne's oh and Dante's mother from Dante's inferno was took her own life because of his father haida's mom on the other hand Haida got evicted because of his father and brother jiro but jiro was controlled by his father because his father juzo was aristocratic corrupted TYRANT he does nothing but neglecting taking advantage humiliating and alienating his own older son Haida also his father was an ALCHOHOLIC after drank alcohol he unleash HELL Infront of Haida by oppressing his wife and older son Haida, haida's father was without a doubt the most aristocratic and the most TYRANNICAL parent EVER.😤😠👿🤬

[@KumaoftheForest]

Something I just wanna point out: Tadano is the BEST person in the series, his and Retsuko’s relationship didn’t work out and there was no bitter resentment, no toxicity from either. Tadano being Haida’s wingman when Haida was trying to get with Retsuko was a sign of healthy Ex-BF attitude. Tadano has ALOT of power and could ruin Retsuko’s life but he doesn’t. Tadano put his feelings about marriage and kids out in the open and Retsuko was open with her feelings. That’s HEALTHY and Retsuko needed that

[@appalachiabrauchfrau]

There's this quiet acceptance of others without the need to investigate in his characterization that I appreciate most, he's a very healthy person and it's refreshing. If someone is in a bad mood he doesn't assume it's because of something he did like so many other fictional love interests are prone to do. Dude is just minding his business and has good boundaries.

[@ladderlappen4585]

​@@appalachiabrauchfrau he just didnt care. thats not the good kind of accepting others. you could see, how he talked about marriage and work and generalized his ideas of the world. you could also see, how he talked retsukos view down after all. the one thing to admire is, how he acknowledged his mistake in the end. for me, that was what made him alot more relatable and likeable.

[@anubis7457]

@@ladderlappen4585 Well, yeah but he did so because he assumed that most people were actually like him. He thought that people only wanted marriage and kids because that's what society expects of them, but couldn't understand that some people just genuinely want those things. He thought Retsuko would be happy because he was going to usher in an age of a workless society, where everyone was free to pursue those dreams. And sure, she might like that... but it wouldn't complete her. It was just a fundamental mistake, and one that Retsuko managed to eventually convey to him, which is impressive because most people can't communicate something so fundamental to someone else.

[@skyrogue1977]

As a male Hyena, Haida’s behavior is spot on.

[@shimerrill967]

True and i bet his mom is scary af

[@ncisfan1002]

@@shimerrill967 Actually his mom is a total sweetheart, his dad is the scary one

[@samyen3210]

@@shimerrill967 I wish they made his mom more scary, it'd be more on brand

[@ItsMinnowSeason]

@Samy EN honestly yeah considering how hyenas work, it would've been funny to see Resty realizing Haida's behavior is genetic/j

[@G.F.SF55]

Lmao, funny how it's so accurate

[@viko1326]

If she doesn't want Tadano I'll take him

[@tabthecabbit3354]

Not if I get Tadano first

[@Kyoushii]

Same

[@soingbob]

me too

[@thatsomeone4149]

@@tabthecabbit3354 Back off, I only need him to love me

[@tabthecabbit3354]

@@thatsomeone4149 No way He's mine!

[@acaloid1234]

"will they won't they" is just s synonym for "6000-page slow burn" I am COMPLETELY over it

[@valentinkambushev4968]

Hell, fanfic writes often know when to stop a slow burn better than the professional writes!

[@JeromeProductions]

indeed

[@islasullivan3463]

Same, especially when it mostly shows why they shouldn't be together.

[@Cosplaythief]

@@valentinkambushev4968 True, though that's when they don't just stop and never finish the fanfic. Which is equivalent of the show getting cancelled.

[@mesousagaby740]

And yet oddly, it kinda works for Ladybug but not here, in my opinion, at least.

[@Rembreiker_lychec9257]

They did Haida dirty in season 4. Are the writers so afraid that Retsuko and Haida getting together would end the series? They could've put more focus on their coworkers and their relationships if they're out of ideas.

[@ratou1]

In my opinion u are right but that's why I think season 5 is so much better

[@joshuafriday9748]

Spoilers They have a no frills understated marriage in season 5 that is shown and moved on from in the span of a few seconds

[@damiondraws8538]

I think that they could still do so much more with the show if they wanted to. Like, hey, neither of them like their jobs much but love their coworkers. Maybe they could look for new jobs? And then discuss how even if you and your friends don’t work at the same place or go to the same school, you can still be friends and hang out together. Or, they could touch on the topic of them eventually moving in together. That would be interesting too. Maybe just have them sit down and talk about what they want in life and if their goals really do line up. There’s plenty of topics to talk about for a young adult trying to make it in life

[@joshuafriday9748]

@@damiondraws8538 are you sure you haven't seen season 5? That's literally the themes of the first half

[@damiondraws8538]

@@joshuafriday9748 I have not, currently binging the show again in preparation to watch it tho. I had a feeling those would be the topics they approach tho. Romance wise, they’re pretty much tapped out. Next step is other personal stuff like living conditions and work life balance. Deciding if the partner she chose is actually what she wants, and what she wants from the other core facets of her life Sorry I over explain things lol

[@VanHellbright4763]

Fun fact: Ben Diskin, who does the English voice for Haida, also does the voice for Jack from Beastars and Shirou Ogami from Brand New Animal. Dude has the the Good Boy market cornered.

[@makotoyuki345]

Also Caspar from FE 3 Houses

[@eddietheguy13]

He also voiced numbuh 1 in codename: kids next door

[@murderman8578]

@@eddietheguy13 NOW I CAN'T UNHEAR IT

[@starrysparroww]

He’s also Young Xehanort too so he can be spicy

[@senacario5942]

I also believe he voiced Joseph in part 2 of JJBA

[@Moonlight.Howlings.666]

Still mad that Inui was done dirty like that. They pretty much introduced her just to make her a scapegoat to force a Haida and Retsuko relationship. I wanted Haida to be happy at first but now I just can't care what happens to him at this point.

[@denysvision]

Inue wasn't a good character to begin with, and beside watch season 5, it gets better and fixes haida as a character

[@damienearl8302]

While I personally like the style of using relationships to build onto or establish traits of the individuals, I definitely think she deserved to be more of a character

[@jasperjazzie]

i can't stand when characters exist almost solely to stand in the way of the show's main "will they won't they" ship, this show and miraculous have several of those characters and it wasn't any better in miraculous either i really hope they do something with her, but in all honesty i don't think she'll do anything besides be an option for haida

[@MicroBihon]

@@denysvision They also give more context on H's Inferiority Complex I wont soil it but its a big one. What bugs me is Resasuke and Inui didnt even return in Season 5

[@denysvision]

@@MicroBihon who's Resasuke? An another red panda?

[@valentinkambushev4968]

To everyone who says that only female characters can be nothing but love interests, here's a proof it's not only female characters. It happens to them more often, but male characters are not immune to it.

[@Odium_DOB]

NO ONE SAFE FROM BEING THE LOVE INTEREST! HIDE YOUR KIDS HIDE WIFE HIDE YOUR FRIENDS BUT EVEN THAN WHAT IF YOU BECOME THE LOVE INTEREST! DEAR GOD.

[@superthorc6894]

Love interest role curse, it know no genders lol

[@Odium_DOB]

But this curse this horrid, monstrous curse may one day be cured by a hero, a faint glimmering star, who collects the 10 platonic plates of old, and once all 10 are put together it will summon the ultimate monster that has created this curse, only then the beast death may cure the curse, we may only hope the curse is dead. But will not know if this will work.

[@FaiaHalo]

An exception to the rule is only that. An exception. It IS a problem that female characters are only this to some writers. But if your comment was all about how female characters can also be written as actual human beings with a character arc and development, I completely agree.

[@valentinkambushev4968]

@Faia Halo it was also about how female characters can be written as actual characters.

[@0iqgremlin414]

Honestly Retsuko didnt fumble the bag with Tanado Marriage and children are the parts of a relationship that are non negotiable, you cant make a compromise with these two life commitments without creating resentment on either side. Him being rich doesnt mean Retsuko should give up her dreams of having a family of her own, and him wanting to keep the relationship doesnt mean he should go back on his childfree marriagefree ideals. Im just glad they stayed close friends after season 2 since they still show some chemistry and care for each other, even when their life paths dont meet.

[@rougestarlight4308]

Same! Thank you for saying it!

[@samanthajeffers9339]

Agreed!! If you don’t share the same values, then it won’t work out!

[@myyoutube7366]

annnyywaaay major L on her part

[@detweiler]

​@My KZbin can't tell if you're joking ahah

[@Sofiaode18]

@@myyoutube7366 My sane and understanding side agrees with OP but if I’m being honest I agree with you. Sure she wants kids but is she really gonna have them with Haida? Be for real please, if I were Retsuko and found out my boyfriend had a gacha addiction and was actively lying to me about everything I’d still help him but also break up with him on the spot. Both guys love her deeply but one of them is a massive strain on her life.

[@YorkJonhson]

I thought the biggest issue was that Haida did reveal his feelings at the end of season one and she rejected him. And instead of moving on with someone more compatible and who actually wants to date him, he puts down the chance of an actual relationship to keep obsessing over the idea over Retsuko in his head even though she already shot him down. It drives me crazy when a love triangle introduces a likable character who actually shows chemistry and interest just to have the other character turn around and say that it's not "True Love" so they can keep obsessing over someone who already said "No."

[@Sushidogbat]

I agree. But it wouldn't fair for Inui if Haida still can't over Resuko. And sometimes it hard to get over someone. Maybe he should have given her some space or reflect and get a new hobby not get a new girlfriend.

[@S0m3B0z0OnTheInternet]

Yeah, it honestly just feels forced, it would have been SO MUCH BETTER if they actually stayed FRIENDS, very rarely do you ever see platonic friend relationships that occur after a failed confession in media let alone an anime. Honestly this show seemed complete at season 3, no longer had too much of a reason to continue, sure some unanswered questions but it honestly would’ve been better if they just left it there. With season 4 it really does feel..off.. definitely some new writers or SOME sort of pressure put on the producers for it to feel rushed, forced, and incomplete.

[@Jackson-mn3cj]

But he finally gain her because he doesn't give up.

[@hedge322]

@@Jackson-mn3cj yeah but that the problem. It can imply that if someone doesn't give up, it will work. Most of the time, is not true. Personnaly, I would feel akward if I knew a man at work who love me and is waiting for me to accept him although I already turned him down...like what?

[@Jackson-mn3cj]

@@hedge322 Different people have different opinions on relationships, so it's still possible.

[@FabschOblivion669]

In a nutshell, if “being yourself” gets you nowhere with your romantic interest, specially if it’s for years, then that person is not the one for you.

[@SimGunther]

These shows don't always have to have forced lovey dovey vibes. Live a great life, enjoy the company, and fight for what's right.

[@bumla1752000]

Exactly!

[@iScAre1]

Absolutely, relationships are complicated, it is NOT smooth sailing once you get with someone. Relationships can get awkward, you can argue, discover things about someone you hadn't seen before, theres always going to be some kind of friction. I feel that constantly depicting characters love for one another as 100% wholesome and unproblematic as the endgame is setting us up for having such unrealistic expectations for relationships, real or fake.

[@CalingsteRaynolds987]

Valid criticism, but imagine him being with someone while you're clearly not over someone? Relationships are all about timing and this would've been a terrible one. Not to mention you said yourself, she liked him MORE than he liked her, there's an inherent imbalance! Yes, him pursuing Retsuko isn't gonna pan out, but he shouldn't be with someone while trying to get over someone else. That ain't fair to best-girl Inui.

[@denysvision]

Bruh, retsuko started to have fellings for haida, and they bot git bettervin season 5

[@Solanin0803]

Might not be fair for Inui, but it could have maybe been used to build his character a little...

[@RJLiams]

That would make for some great TV. Seeing Haida trying to get over his crush while being with Inui. It could be some great character growth. Also why not distance yourself from said crush while getting closer to someone who's actually interested in being at least friends? He could stop spending time with Retsuko. Start hanging with Inui's friends. There are ways of getting over a crush.

[@jullcepts8780]

I can see Inui WAS the perfect match for Haida. But in reality those kind of situations end up in a lot of hurt feelings and unnecesary struggles in a relationship. It was for the best and Inui definitely dodged a bullet. But I will disagree, Washimi is best-girl

[@denysvision]

@@jullcepts8780 if haida chooses inue it would end like mordecai from regular show

[@annafaulkner9879]

This love story always felt more like a “fine, guess I’ll do it” instead of there actually being any connection. The first guy who seemed uncaring had more chemistry because Haida feels more in love with the idea of her not her as a person.

[@hootmess3312]

Haida came off too obsessed for me to ever be comfortable with him. Retsuko was at least trying to figure herself out while dating other people, but Haida didn't seem to show any real effort to figure his own life out when she wasn't even available. He stagnated and pined so much that it felt more like he was in love with the idea of Retsuko, instead of who she actually was.

[@Wrestling-yk5fp]

Haida is the perfect example of what happens when your dad consistently puts you down. You end up not having a lick of confidence.

[@FlyingFocs]

... This is way too true.

[@EmeralBookwise]

Too bad it took us until season-5 to actually meet his dad, which ends up feeling more like a retcon to excuse Heida's behaviors than actual character development.

[@Wrestling-yk5fp]

@@EmeralBookwise true. I find that where the line between reasons and excuses is drawn depends on your level of sympathy for the situation.

[@andrewblissett2211]

I can confirm, this is facts.

[@Omin-ous]

Hoooly shit this hit hard

[@Phookax]

I WANT TO MENTION!! When Haida goes after Retsuko and 'musically yells at her' it's not actually bad. It's actually a REALLY good thing he did that, because retsuko was cooped up in her room scrolling through hate comments about her, which is an act of self harm. What Haida did, was drag her out of the house and into a place she enjoys and in comfortable in. She was clearly shutting everything down which is what people who self harm or are in a depressive episode often do when someone is trying to help them. He then keeps talking to her to get a rise out of her. He even says that she can yell at him all she wants, because then its at least talking about her feelings. Which she NEEDS TO DO TO HEAL. On the surface this may seem like a bad thing to do. But in reality, as someone who has literally gone through this multiple times, he did exactly the right thing. This scene actually made me love Haida because it really showed how much he was there for her.

[@damienearl8302]

I think Just Stop explained it best, how what he did would normally be seen as detestable...if it weren't for him knowing, probably more than most, that trying to ease into the topic would only lead her to building up her walls even higher than they were post-assault, practically backing her into a corner so she doesn't have room to run further from reach

[@TomSketchit]

Ben Diskin, Haida's voice actor, gave a really good breakdown of the scene in a podcast interview about season 3. Basically, what he said was 1) Retsuko's go to method to feel better is to scream about her problems, so isolating herself and shutting down was not good for her, 2) Haida is a bit of an idiot and so his go to method to fix a problem can be kind of stupid but somehow still work (the analogy he used was dressing up like the Fonz and smacking a broken television to get it to turn on), and 3) that this only worked because of these quirks of their character and that he does not at all recommend screaming at your friends when they are feeling down about traumatic events.

[@kn-jt9dj]

I kind of disagree The problem i have with the finale is that it focuses more on the other characters _talking_ about Retsuko's trauma rather than dedicating enough screentime on how it actually affected her: we barely get any time to see Retsuko really _react_ to anything She faints, Inui asks Haida about his decision between her and Retsuko, Retsuko has a nightmare dream sequence personifying her current emotional state, then we cut back to the other characters talking about her situation where Washimi tells Haida that Retsuko needs more time, Gori reveals that Retsuko and Haida are 100% compatible, and then Haida drags her to the karaoke bar where she finally spills her guts and recovers from her trauma: all in the span of like 20-25 minutes Ultimately, I have a hard time really buying that Haida saved Retsuko from her own self-destruction because we didn't really _see_ Retsuko's self-destruction, so the urgency in the situation gets tanked and Haida's reaction can come off as unwarranted when even Ton was more classy when he tried to help Retsuko out in her relationship, which is why I'd wager that most people saw his behavior as abusive rather than helpful even if the show demonstrates that its the latter. It's mostly tell and very little show, which i think is unfortunate due to the pacing Maybe if the finale was an episode longer it could've fleshed out these ideas a little more That's my take though

[@TomSketchit]

@@kn-jt9dj Yeah, I suppose an issue with the show is how short both the seasons and episodes are. They have big ideas, but never enough time to really flesh them out, so a lot of these arcs get terribly rushed.

[@Phookax]

@@TomSketchit Screaming at your friends in not what I meant. Obviously that part is specific to this scene and the context of the show. The part that is good is basically dragging your friend away from the area or situation that is making the problem worse (Retsuko making herself feel worse by locking herself in her room and scrolling through hate comments), bringing them to a place that is safe and comforting ( Taking her to karaoke), and getting them to stop shutting down and actually talk about there feelings. (Hairda did this by yelling at Retsuko until she blew up at him. It worked but I agree that this is not a good method. This only worked because Retsuko works through her issues through screaming death metal, and the only way to get her to that point was to make her mad.) A lot of people and friends may require more gentel methods to get them to open up and others may require more aggressive means. (this does not mean yelling, or physical violence. More like a more brutally honest conversation)

[@theeye8276]

He did take his shot.... She said no and yet he still continued to obsess over her. He should of focused on trying to get over her.

[@zulunovenber]

I was about to say, it was in the movie! It literally started with the hospital scene

[@benjaminmarson4622]

I was actually on-board with Haida and Retsuko until season 4. I liked how season 3 forced Haida to self-reflect a bit and realize he doesn't actually know Retsuko that well at all (That plane scene with Tadano is really good), and the Guitar scene shows that they could have decent chemistry together when they actually interact. Then season 4 happens and you know all that interaction and character chemistry I was talking about? All that happened off screen, also Haida's being uncharacteristically cowardly even for him, literally running away when Retsuko's offering him what he wants on a silver platter. Are you fucking kidding me? I felt betrayed, like this was what we were building up to? Haida being even more of a wet paper towel and the rest of the cast agreeing that the only way to fix it is to have Retsuko ask him out. Character growth? Nah, let's just give him everything he wants for literally no reason.

[@phineasfacingforward3460]

Hey man, thanks for covering this. When I first started watching Aggretsuko, I was really intrigued about how it showed a woman's struggles in the office and with life. I wasn't a big fan of season 4 since they steered more into a romantic debacle. I get that romance was always an important part of Retsuko's life, but I'm a bit tired of men never taking "no" for an answer and letting the rejection consume their lives.

[@dorjgothegreat2740]

Right! It felt offensive to see that Haida essentially pressured retsuko into a relationship. He feels controlling and honestly creepy

[@ktownshutdown21]

When shipping goes wrong; everyone came out of Season 1 loving how "relatable" Haida's unrequited love subplot was, so Sanrio went "oh you like that, huh, well now we're going to make this THE ENTIRE SHOW!!!!" Literally the same mistake that Star Vs. made, if not worse.

[@elsienova4269]

"letting the rejection consume their lives." Fucking men and their...emotions and feelings.

[@jack0f4lltrades28]

Haida was undoubtedly one of the most relatable characters in season 1, everyone who mentioned Aggretsuko would bring up the scene of Haida lying down in the rain, regretting his inability to take action. A lot of people have been there, it hurts. But in the end, he gains the courage and he takes his shot. He's taking a step forward, this is development. The Christmas special hits with a hard truth, she says no. He is hurt, but accepts it. And in season 2, it's obvious he still has feelings for her but he's taking small steps. How much does it know about Restukko? Not much outside of work, so he takes the approach to be her friend. This is good. Season 3, Haida becomes the secondary protagonist. He has the opportunity to move on, and finds it difficult to move on from Retsuko. Even gets a talk with her ex that maybe it's for the best he move on with his life. Fenneko even gives the same advice, move on. Stop crushing on her. And he does. But to his love interest, it's clear he still has a thing for her. Even if they are just friends, he really really cares about her. He takes a huge risk and chooses the possibility of being with Retsuko over moving on, and it hurts. But even the love interest understands, she loves Haida but he doesn't love her. He likes the idea of a relationship, but it's clear his body language shows he doesn't love her. And in the season 3 finale, he takes the ultimate step to pick Restuko up. This is it, the peak of their relationship. They can become closer friends, it's hinted they will take the next step as friends to get to know each other more, because the dating app does show they actually have a lot in common. Then season 4 steps in :/ I don't know what happened. New writers maybe? Haida has taken leaps backwards, instead of moving forward he is... scared of being the lesser interest because of Tadano? Relatable but the execution is very cringy. Then they both take the next step to admit they like each other... which Retsuko should know since he asked her out back in season 1, but I get it. Haida being insecure and wimpy isn't comforting that he would be a good partner. But then the show speeds up to them dating, wahh? Why? This is what the show has been building up for, why fast forward through it? I thought this was the expected reward where we the audience would be shown whether they are a solid couple or not. And the rest of the season is just messy when focusing on their relationship. Are they dating by the end? It isn't clear. He's not worming there anymore, what happened? We had 3 seasons of solid 10/10 content but... ehh.

[@denysvision]

Bruh, did you watch season 5? Haida did redemmed himselfe at the end and it was confirmed that these two are still together even when he was fired, i mean it was clear that these two wheren't broke up when taht happend

[@jack0f4lltrades28]

@@denysvision I did not, I honestly just found out season 5 was out by the end of this video. But my comment still stands up to season 4.

[@denysvision]

@@jack0f4lltrades28 not anymore since you need to analyse every season, and season 5 already fixed the mistakes, and this video in particular was mad a little to late without even analyse season 5, yet it was short but still

[@jack0f4lltrades28]

@@denysvision More of a reason why my comment works fine. My point is fixated on season 4 Haida, not season 5. I'm glad to hear he is much improved for the last season, I really didn't like how they wrote him in season 4. Or how they wrote everyone really, it was a hard season to watch and it's the only one I have not rewatched so far.

[@rinowichan]

I love your comment, thanks for sharing your opinion Edit, I assure you, it's not sarcasm

[@autumn-vl5ez]

I don't understand why so many shows are afraid of actually committing to a major relationship when exploring that relationship beyond them "getting together" is so much more interesting than the road to starting it in the first place. There could have been so much development between the two of them exploring each other's interests and boundaries and instead it's been spent running around in circles and going NOWHERE. It sucks. Majorly.

[@VixinMcCloud]

What makes this ship worse (that wasn't mentioned in the video) is that according to the christmas special, Retsuko rejected Haida's attempt to ask her out. For me, the ship died right there and then. I was sad, but okay in the beginning as you can pine for someone for years and the other person can just never be interested. By the end of the special, with the two of them hanging out for christmas, that was when it clicked that these two are end game. This was going to be a "will they, won't they" thing and it dragged down the rest of the show. Everything after that was just a bunch of adults stripping Retsuko of her autonomy regarding her decisions with Haida.

[@jasminelav.332]

The issue with Haida is that he’s codependent. He has virtually no self-esteem of his own, and what’s getting him through life is his crush on his best friend. Basically he’s using her emotionally the way she used Resasuke (the bland one). Except instead of realizing that it’s all in his head and and moving on like she did, he’s realizing that she might ACTUALLY be the one. And it freaks him out. Because again, he has no self-esteem and thinks he isn’t good enough for anyone. This isn’t the basis for a cute relationship, it’s one step above from being an incel. Haida is so toxic to himself that it’s starting to affect other people, bc those people care about him and want him in their lives. He’s an anxiety-riddled mess, but he is also kind, supportive, and responsible. He has good points but he can’t see them for shit.

[@undercoverg.o.d.]

Tadano really was the whole package...and she let him go. Good for her but damn it does it hurt

[@Sparksly_]

What I really hate about their relationship is that it feels like it only happened because Haida finally wore Retsuko down enough for her to want to go out with him. She straight-up rejects him in the Christmas special between seasons 1 and 2. That should've been it. And while I can see how him confronting Retsuko at the end of season 3 as a good way to get her out of her self-destructive doomscrolling, the romantic declaration part of it does feel like he's leveraging her trauma to make her like him more, intentionally or not. And I wholeheartedly agree that Tadano deserved better. Retsuko asserting what she wants through metal is cool and all, but the whole marriage and kids thing should have been a discussion, not an ultimatum. He didn't even get to explain why he didn't want kids.

[@eatatjoes6751]

Tadano, Inui, they both seem really ironically flat in order to push Haida as endgame despite him wearing her down.

[@missing_name]

I think you hit the nail on the head for what I was feeling about Retsuko and Haida. I wasn’t the biggest fan of how the ending of season 3 played out. I found that thing with Tadano kind of interesting? Like it shows that even if you get along and click with a person, if your fundamental goals don’t align, it’s better to just go separate ways. Tadano doesn’t need to explain why he didn’t want kids or believe in marriage just like Restuko doesn’t need to explain why she does want to get married and have kids. They want fundamentally different things. So instead of compromising what they want, they can go find someone whose goals line up with their own.

[@Sparksly_]

@@missing_name It's true, neither of them is owed an explanation. My problem with how the Tadano thing played out I think more stems from Retsuko's inability to express her feelings in a healthy and constructive way. She either says nothing or explodes with rage, and while I get that's what the show is about, there doesn't seem to be any work towards her learning how to move past that and develop better coping mechanisms (I haven't seen season 5 yet, so I don't know whether anything's changed in that regard). Also, they're in their mid-twenties. They have plenty of time to reevaluate their life goals. I'm right around Retsuko's age, and I think she was being a bit melodramatic.

[@jasperjazzie]

​​@@missing_name yeah, i agree, having kids is just not something you can compromise on, not like you can have half a kid...so someone would end up being unhappy there if it went further i do think retsuko should have had a discussion, and had it sooner, but still i think all considered she handled it well

[@breanntheartist1989]

The Haida x Retsuko ship was forced because that's what the fans wanted. I still don't think they're a good match. Tadano was a better choice for Retsuko. And Inui was a better choice for Haida. She actually gave a f*ck about him.

[@damiondraws8538]

Just rewatching the show rn and I noticed that Hyda doesn’t even show direct romantic interest until retsuko directly asks him what he’d do in a hypothetical of if they were married. Like, while yes, he liked her for 5 years and never did anything, it was because he got the message that it was a friendship and nothing more would come of it. And tbh I respect that. Only once retsuko brought up marriage to him, did he start considering the possibility that she was interested in him. Which is when he starts showing interest back coyly because he’s still not sure how she feels. After all, it was a hypothetical. He’s testing the waters and she’s giving mixed signals.

[@billcipher8645]

The Christmas special blows your theory. Haida directly confesses his feelings and Retsuko says no

[@akodaah13-e32]

is like that phrase: relationships are like farts... if you have to push it, it's probably shit

[@jayy3759]

Woah

[@draconicfeline6177]

Amazing

[@VoiceoftheBoa2]

Having just finished Season 5, it seems as though Sanrio listened to the criticisms from Seasons 3 & 4 and actually attempted to rectify a few things with Haida and Retsuko. Outside of Haida's big dumb moment from the first 2 episodes, it seemed like they were FINALLY at a point where the relationship could move forward honestly, naturally progressively. By no means were they perfect in this season, but for the first time, you could see how much trust the 2 of them had in each other and how they were actively working, pushing & encouraging one another. They finally stopped doing the will-they, won't-they nonsense, came right out and said they're a couple and they're living together, Deal With It. Haida in particular took way less shit this season and THANK GOD... Season 4 felt like it went overboard on that point. Like, even before the window-dressing, it felt like the whole season was set up to make Haida look horrible. In Season 5, it was actually nice to hear Retsuko affirm that she wants a nice, quiet, simple relationship with him. Plus it was so much better to see Haida FINALLY move past his insecurities with Retsuko; it opened the door for the show to focus on other relationships to help push the plot forward rather than being stuck on theirs.

[@EeveeFlipnoteStudios]

Yeah, this comment reflects my thoughts too. I still am not a fan of the Haida/Retsuko ship and the whole mess that led up to the point. But in S5 all things considered, it was... ok. I like that they were actually written like a couple and had to deal with adult relationship problems, situations, etc. It got me invested, I think the first half of S5 was the strongest writing. I guess the problem for me is... the relationship they have in S5 doesn't fully feel like them, them. I still don't fully understand what Retsuko likes about Haida..? Or what he likes about her, for that matter. She wants a nice quiet life together-- that's sweet, but I don't understand why. Narratively, it's as though any other couple could fill the shoes Retsuko and Haida wear in the story. The way they got together didn't have that much chemistry, and I cannot comprehend the leap from S3-S4 Retsuko and Haida's messy miscommunication and fumbling over drama to the sudden calm, stable trust they have in S5. Being generous, I guess the Haida-being-homeless arc was supposed to bridge the gap... but it still circles back to that I don't understand WHY Retsuko is so invested in this particular relationship that she's willing to work so hard for him. I liked what the show was putting down, they had cute moments and I still liked the messages they wanted to put out with that arc, but it's just too late for me to care about "Haida and Retsuko" as a "ship" specifically.

[@kaiite]

Yeah I was really confused as to why this video came out after season 5 but only talked about it for like less than 30 seconds. Season 5 I thought was a really nice progression for their relationship maturing. He moves in and does some domestic stuff/cooking for her that she really likes. They navigate each other's family dynamics and become accepted. Haida supports Retsuko's desires to make her voice heard over his own family's political dynasty and turns down a bunch of money from them. And truthfully, what I think is really sweet and cute, just the little touches of seeing Retsuko rage on her candidate bus while Haida plays guitar

[@kittah4]

Just watched Season 5, and I didn't really feel it redeemed the ship. Besides the handful of cute moments, I didn't really feel any spark between them, any tenderness, it felt more like inertia than genuine love interest. The fact they married by signing a piece of paper that was basically shown as a montage ancillary to the plot basically sums up their entire relationship, ie paper-thin with no emotional value.

[@elsorzis5692]

Actually, there is a christmas special after season one where they show us what happened after Haida's confesion at the hospital. He got rejected by Retsuko, who told him they could still be friends. This is why he does not try to make an active move on her during season two, since he knows the answer already.

[@ladybug1681]

Ben Diskin is always such a joy to listen to, so regardless of whether or not I particularly liked the storyline, especially concerning Haida, I can say that he always, always delivered. Everyone really did. RIP to Billy Kametz as well. What a joy to hear his voice one last time. Also, the male red panda is named Resauske, apologies for poor spelling.

[@ladybug1681]

I was informed through another video that this actually was not Kametz. I believed they were able to still record with him. My mistake. RIP.

[@thenumberoneprincessesinth4950]

I wish Tadano and Retsuko had been together, but in a more casual daring while she still find what she wants. Especially since Tadano actually cared about her wants, exouraged her, and was actually supportive in ways she needed.

[@Ninjaman50]

I actually relate to Haida a lot, which is why I like him. It's hard to suddenly try and stop having feelings for someone, especially one you've been crushing on for 5 years. Even harder to try and get with a girl that's into you, that you're not 100% into yourself. However, I personally think the series would've been stronger had Haida and Retsuko not gotten together (I personally think Fenneko would've been a better match for him, since she's gone to great lengths to keep his self-esteem from hitting rock bottom, but that's just me). It would have been cool seeing Haida come to terms with his situation and start being the best friend he can be for her, instead of the best boyfriend. Could've been a good message to hit home for people that struggle with moving on.

[@maltsoymarai2243]

I feel the same way, I related to him when his love was unrequited. I really wanted to see him move on, the way most people in that situation irl do

[@monkeykingw]

It's funny, it wasn't until this video that I realized how much I completely blocked out anything involve Retsuko and Haida together. Like, I had completely forgotten that it was Haida who saved her from the stalker, or that his stuff with cooking the books was running in tandem with the fact them actually dating. I love pretty much everything about the series, except for the two of them together. ....Also I'm still mad that they reduced Fenneko's role so heavily. In the original shorts before the anime, Fenneko was Retsuko's backup. She even played guitar and had a aymbol painted over her eye during the Rage moments.

[@zemox2534]

Haida is at his best when he isn't being obsessive over Retsuko. The writers really hurt him with the terrible choices especially in s4.

[@galaxywanderer5508]

She should have taken her chances with the polar bear.

[@MMumbles]

Not to start a geek war in the comments... But I ship Fenneko and Haida way more. Hear me out. They vibe. They have chemistry. And Fenneko genuinely cares about Haida's happiness, willing to listen to him complain about everything and trying to wingman for him. If Haida could show that same support for Fenneko? I think they'd be kind of sweet together.

[@highsourjamapple9141]

I don't ship it but respect it I hella agree, they had more chemistry plus caring for each. It makes perfect sense

[@pogchamporado]

when retsukos love interests have more chemistry with each other than with herself you know theres a problem

[@pogchamporado]

anyways justice for tadano

[@AdoboSoGuud]

​@pogchamporado ybh I'm glad they stayed friends... They have the opposite in relationship Resty wants a family with kids but Tadano doesn't want

[@anubis7457]

tadano x haida canon when

[@ToastyNoneofyourbusiness]

I feel like Haida trying to snap Retsuko out of it by yelling at her is either a trope or a cultural thing. A similar thing happened in Soul Eater after Corona confessed to Maka that they had secretely been working for Medusa again because she was manipulating them.

[@bluesubaru7338]

I honestly gave up on Haida and Retsuko dating after season 1 and was genuinely hoping Inui would get with Haida so he could be happy and Retsuko would get with Tadano so she could get out of the office.

[@Moonstar79]

I stg Sarcastic Chorus is always right on time with these videos-- they're always posted *right* after I finish watching whatever content they're talking about

[@sailorstarlesbian]

Haida is the one reason I haven't watched Aggretsuko yet. As someone who's been on the receiving end of a "nice guy"'s crush, it's just so unconfortable to imagine four seasons of... that. Even tho I'd love to see the rest of the series and I love Retsuko in theory

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

I remember being stoked back in Season 1 when Retsuko actually Rejects Haida's confession, cause I foolishly thought the show was going to explore the avenue of Healthy Non-same-sex Friends. Like, have Haida realize that even if he never quite loses "liking" Retsuko, he can still move on and do other things with his life, and she can still be a comfortable, positive presence within it without having to obsess over her. Aggretsuko would have been PERFECT to explore the fact that sometimes romances don't work out, but you can still have a healthy relationship with those involved, even in close proximities like at work. The show does this with Tadano later, but Haida could have been an earlier example of an adult work relationship that semi-continuously deals with it. That's something animation, let alone anime, almost never represents. And then he just keeps pining, for Seasons. No progress, all status quo or regression. Personally my biggest letdown of an otherwise fantastic show.

[@ItznoBigdeal]

This💯💯

[@ccondelli]

Haida didn't go to "help" Retsuko after she got attacked until an app told him a relationship with her is still possible. Plus, Retsuko actually already told him she just sees him as a friend and doesn't want a relationship with him. It's... not a good look, like he doesn't really care about her, more is just obsessed if that makes sense. And as a side note, I say "help" because aggressively yelling at Retsuko to get over it like 10 days after something super traumatic happened isn't the way to support a trauma victim... While telling her to not let the attacker win is good advice, I'd do it a lot more gently and after a lot more time.

[@AlexandUmaruBoswell]

Season 5 didn't even try to romance them lol. Haida and Retsuko had supportive moments but there was no loving spark other than a few cooking dinner for you moments.

[@lucienfortner841]

They felt like roommates. No affection, no chemistry, barely anything positive. She even locks him outside of their home one day instead of having a healthy talk about her need for some "me time." They should have broke up.

[@tomotan5552]

Yup, there's no romance because Retsuko suddenly turned into Haida's mom. I can understand someone supporting their partner in difficult times, but a guy like Haida doesn't deserve it.

[@XxEcho_SongxX]

They could have used the opportunity to showcase how PUSHING, and PUSHING, and PUSHING for a relationship with someone after THEY SAID NO will NEVER end up happy or work out. normalize finding the other fish in the sea who suit you better for pete's sake. otherwise that's how we get stalking and harassment reports.

[@silence_dais]

Legit Haida is frustrating as fuck. At some point I kept waiting for Fenniko to just ask him out and they have the more interesting relationship because they have actual chemistry. Would they have eventually ended things because of his lingering feelings for Retsko? Maybe. You know what though? That's interesting! It's conflict, it makes you want to see if they will or won't stay together because of that lingering question. Yeah it's cliche but when done right, it's a good one. Haida is shown to be Retsko's match because he has a thing for rock and roll. That's it, and while it's cute to see them do a scream song together, there's not much else outside of Fenniko and work that ties them together. We need more, something that makes us see he's supposed to be the one outside of just "writers say so".

[@1408alejandro1408]

I'm so glad we can ALL agree that Tadano is best boy hands down ( ˘ ³˘)♥

[@chopstickingstylus]

No

[@1408alejandro1408]

@@chopstickingstylus But he is the purple soft spoken donkey boy we all deserve, with Anxiety ᵀᴹ

[@S0m3B0z0OnTheInternet]

@@chopstickingstylus Yes.

[@andrewblissett2211]

@@chopstickingstylus Yes

[@chopstickingstylus]

@@andrewblissett2211 looking back yes tadano is the best boy

[@plutothechinchilla4496]

Thank you for this. I stopped watching because after Season3 the fandom kinda disheartened me about these two in a way where I couldn't ignore how it felt anymore, all the valid points. I felt good hearing all this from the prospective of someone else who also still liked Haida. I really feel the same and have been looking for a sign on whether or not the new seasons are worth watching and... I think I'd still rather just enjoy cute fanart where Haida's more active in his pursuit. This just felt very cathartic.

[@Golden_eye21]

Inui was done wrong, but I am impressed by how she handled the situation. I've been in haida's situation, 5 years ago to be exact. Instead of being stubborn like him I moved on because the fact is when the person you're pursuing rejects and turns you down, it hurts, but thats your que to move on. I moved on and I found someone that I can have a real future with, been together for 5 years going strong. The voice actor for the stalker is the same voice as Louis the red deer from Beastars or it sounds alot like him..........................

[@Snow-vk7th]

Haida and Retsuko honestly never seem like a good fit. They aren't the worse for each other, but they bring out each other's anxities. I feel like in season 5 especially Haida can only ever see her like an idol. He's just one of her fans, not her partner.

[@greatwave2480]

I really wish Tadano was the male romantic interest. I feel like the whole disagreement on "marriage is outdated lol" was done so poorly like I don't belive that they really couldn't talk it out. Originally Retsuko wanted to marry just to escape the tiresome and stressfull office life and Tadano could have given her exactly that and even more.

[@ChainsawmMan_Supremacy]

I think there is a big possibility Haida was written to have BPD. The Japanese creators admitted that Haida is written to be relatable to a female audience. Often females are the only ones in the media to be shown to have BPD, even though men are just as likely to suffer from BPD. Aggretsoku pushes the boundaries of how far they will take things psychologically. This season especially showed that they could have written Haida to have those personality traits. As a man with BPD I find Haida to be more relatable to me than someone like Rebecca from Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. That scene were Haida admits why he fell for Retsuko is exactly how someone BPD can develop a favourite person. Btw I mean borderline personality disorder not bipolar disorder.

[@breadcrumbhoarder]

On one hand I feel like he does have signs, but it doesn’t seem like he has any mood swings (even mild ones), maybe just abandonment issues and low self worth. I always saw him as depressed, hence why he also just kinda sludges through work with low initiative despite being smart enough and well liked enough to really succeed if he just tried a little harder.

[@Homodemon]

Sounds like projection.

[@iknowwhatyouare102]

@@Homodemon That’s what headcannons are for

[@Homodemon]

@@iknowwhatyouare102 yeah but to imply "I believe the writers did this on purpose" is another level entirely.

[@iknowwhatyouare102]

@@Homodemon True true

[@balesplace]

I’m so glad youre doing this video, definitely an interesting topic, & glad to see more coverage of the series!!

[@yeyeyeyeye222]

In Season 4 when Haida and Retsuko get together, all the show had to say about their relationship was a 2 minute montage and then they instantly when into fighting. Season 5 certainly fixed this.

[@97spartan]

This show should’ve ended after the Christmas special

[@lwcaexii]

He asked her out, she gave him a clear no. I liked him a lot less after he focused so hard on how he felt and not how the object of his romantic hopes felt that he pushed her boundaries. Man just needed to learn from it and better himself, he was a sweet guy with one absolutely unworkable flaw.

[@greatwave2480]

Originally(season 1) I was team Haida, bc as a painfully socially awkward and anxious girl I heavily related to having no clue OR guts on approaching a crush. So I really wanted them to work out. But as you said, Haida did nothing, he put no work. Also Retsuko had NEVER in the entire show showed ANY sign of romantic interest in him, even straight up rejected him once and that should have been a good sign for Haida to finally move on. Their couple has NO chemistry or build up(LIKE MUTUAL INTEREST for example). But the show just ignored Retsuko's feelings(or lack of thereof) and gave her to Haida like a good boy trophy. That's just upsetting.

[@cariozonei]

While there's valid criticism about Haida's choice, I still think he made the right choice between Inui and Retsuko. While he did have a better chance with Inui, he still wasn't over Retsuko. Inui dealing with his left over feelings wouldn't be fair to her. He'd need time to get over his feelings for Retsuko at most 90% before getting with Inui. Same goes for Miraculous.

[@Bam5000000]

The relationship I enjoyed in this show was the work relationship between Aggretsuko and Ton. He went from a literal pig of a boss to a genuine friend that was proud of Aggretsuko.

[@LittleRabbit1138]

Can we just stop and let Haida and Tadano hook up?

[@Ace_Maus]

Haidano is so good, fr

[@KariIzumi1]

This is Haida/Anai erasure /j (Seriously, he had so much chemistry w the dudes omg)

[@impsail374]

@@KariIzumi1 I think the show would be better that way honestly bhthtb just let him date the guys

[@melissam6931]

Tadano really said 'let me take Haida on the same noodle date I did Retsy'

[@highsourjamapple9141]

Real, retsy would been hella supportive

[@althealee9375]

“And becoming a pop star” Me: *record scratch* I need to go back and watch this show because I MISSED THAT

[@Milandaanza]

"They have to do a good job of making us want them to be together" YES! So many books, manga, shows, etc fail at this. I need to like the relationship and the characters. I've walked away from romance shows with abusive love interests cause why tf do i wanna see that?

[@bingobunny7862]

I liked the polar bear love interest.

[@eatatjoes6751]

It's so much worse that Tadako looks like the better man for her, because he actually gives a shit about her wants and needs bar one. Haida mocks her PTSD and then the show twists itself into a pretzel to make the relationship happen.

[@denysvision]

Tadano is not good for retsuko, and haida is already perfect for redtuko in any way, watch season 5, they already fixed the issues with the season 4

[@denysvision]

Haida din't moke her pdst, he tried to help her and be on her side

[@rougestarlight4308]

If your goals don't allign then it's not the better man for you. Tadano and Retsuko are opposites

[@shelbywright9134]

Fr I never liked retsuko and Haida together. The only reason retsuko shot down tadano is bc he didn't want marriage which, people can change their minds on that. Haida is a wet blanket, Inui and Retsy deserve better.

[@denysvision]

@@rougestarlight4308 yet haida and retsuko still are similar

[@Deathclaw-lh5tl]

"If they hadn't figured it out by now, maybe it shouldn't happen." Mind. Blown.

[@piffny6666]

I've never realized how much of a "nice guy" hida actually is in fact more often than not I felt really sorry for him

[@denysvision]

Watch season 5 to see why haida is the way he is, is because of he's abusive father and the asshole of a little brother

[@Im-BAD-at-satire]

In Japanese culture, the need to be nice is culturally significant, so much so that it's difficult to know who's putting up a facade from those who are genuinely good.

[@obara7366]

Also, I totally adore Ben Diskin retweeting and liking people criticizing and ribbing on Haida in good faith. The man supports it, LOL.

[@copy-kunimitate-kun4799]

Honestly, my main issue of Retsy deciding to get with Haida after breaking off with Tadano for not wanting kids or getting married, was the fact that Haida had previously stated he didn't want that either. I binged the whole show a year or two ago and it irked me as soon as it happened, so I'm unsure if he ever cleared that part up specifically, but it was super infuriating 'cause Haida's always been the most annoying character in the show (in my opinion.) Whether it be the fact that he can't keep his emotions in check or the fact that that he always backtracks in his development, I really just can't understand why people like him. But maybe I'm biased because he behaves similar to on of my brothers whom I specifically despise.

[@adoream4291]

Thank you for making this video!!!!!

[@Mikumo91]

Retsuko keeps shutting people off, that's her main characteristic. She's doing that to live up to the mature, capable adult ideal she set for herself. This led to her not communicating her feelings, bottling everything up and lifting some of her frustration through karaoke. Through the seasons we see how she becomes more and more comfortable communicating with others through her singing. Haida KNOWS that Retsuko would just keep falling deeper and deeper because she always, always shuts everyone off. No matter how long she's left alone, she would not be able to get out of the pit she's in. That's not what Retsuko needs. So Haida takes her to the place he knows she can be herself and tries to reach out to her the way he knows and what they share: through music. Alright, no one can defend S4 and that slap...

[@creaturenamedalistair]

Ngl Aggretsuko is one of my favorites animes I've seen for a while. Tadano has to be my favorite love interest, he seemed to genuinely care for retsuko, was willing to completely let her quit her job and support her, and saw her as her own individual. Even as they broke up he never made it messy, let her easily leave if she wanted, and never bad talked her afterwards. I really wish they worked out in the end

[@lucid5017]

In my head Aggresuko ended at season 3. Hadia got with Inui, and Resuko left her job and became a full time OTM girl. Aggresuko is still one of my favorite tv series ever I just try to forget the last two seasons, it’s coping but it works. 😅

[@Allsketchx25]

Haida cooking the books was the best version of him, he served himself and stopped people pleasing

[@aslightlydisappointingsala9481]

When the only conflict of a story can be solved by a childs level of communication and emotional maturity then entire thing flies out the window for me. If you cant do the bare minimum of not even a romantic relationship but even a friendly one, its practically doomed to fail anyway

[@chifuchi]

Haida just didnt work for me when the show made him do the exact same thing that the creepy stalker did, he started following and stalking Retsuko and watching her "from afar" to her concerts, and since he was stalking her he was also present when she was attacked while walking home. I'ts very disturbing to have the same action both critized but romantized. Also the ending when he belittles her is not the solution, women do need to feel safe and supported after an attack like that. Season 4 just made it concrete they dont work together at all, Retsuko deserves so much better than an indecisive, slacker and stalker hiena.

[@rclark8688]

It reminds me a bit of Yumi's Cells. in both series the main characters grow and develop through each of their relationships. One Yumi's Cells did differently though was it didn't introduce the end game until the end of the series. So each guy she is with as the series goes feels like they could possibly be endgame. So there is no will they won't they going on. However because he isn't introduced until the very end, even though he is likeable, it felt a bit like he was just some random guy who showed up and snagged her in the end, cause he was I guess. Perhaps if he started off as a background character and slowly became more prominent until becoming a main character at the end might have worked better. Anyway just some pros and cons about a different way the relationship could have been handled I guess. I also feel like Aggretsuko handled the breakups better too.

[@mariokarter13]

"He's the backup guy." And she's the Christmas Cake.

[@RumBuDum]

She only dodged a bullet with the donkey guy. He's a billionaire iirc and if he wasn't a billionaire, he was extremely wealthy and flew on a jet he owned basically. Never be in even the proximity of rich people. You have to lose almost every gram of humanity you have to be like these people.

[@justice8718]

King Solomon.

[@harriyanna]

season 4 upset me so bad idk if i even WANT to watch season 5

[@SarcasticChorus]

S5 is good. Still focus too much on Haida but it’s def better than 4

[@flyingpastakitty]

The thing was: That other girl he dated, Inui. I actually wanted that relationship to work. Yet Haida was still acting like a simp for Retsuko and messed it up. Inui and Haida had more in common. Examples, they like the same type of music and seemed to enjoy eachothers company. This could be because we find out Inui and him have a decent amount in common. It is not to diss Retsuko but she doesn't seem to know much about Haida as a person. Even when she asked him to help with learning to play guitar. (She didn't even know guitar and bass guitar are completely different.) Haida literally plays bass guitar. He knows a little of guitar because he use to play an acoustic guitar for a little while. This is one example that shows how little Retsuko knows about Haida. That's just my thoughts on it.

[@ninjaydes]

Turned out okay. Tadano does so much for Retsuko and Haida in Season 5 that it's basically like having a cute semi-romantic trio of bestie characters.

[@tavianfloyd6589]

I think retsuko doesn't ask todano to give the boss a job because she doesn't want to come off as depending on his status even though she is using him she is also doing the leg work herself so she isn't only using todano. It made sense to me to just make retsukos character seem even more wholesome.

[@ouravantgarde]

i think you greatly misusnderstand what the fuck retsuko's trauma isolation was about. people react to trauma in different ways, but that doesnt make them valid. what retsuko was doing was literal self harm. i wish i had someone like haida to call me out on my self destruction when i wasted a year of my life destroying every relationship i had. season 3 really spoke to me

[@jasxene_]

real!! all she was doing was reading hate comments about herself, we see her isolated crammed in her room and scrolling endlessly on her phone, obviously draining her even further.

[@reiarisugawa279]

They wanted to have the Aggretsuko show go on forever, so whenever something that would change the status quo happened, they came up with some bullshit reason for why it doesn't stick. The problem I had with Haida dragging Retsuko to karaoke after the stalker incident is that it wasn't about Retsuko's job being on the line or about them not wanting to give up on herself and letting the stalker beat her... It was about Haida losing his way to keep being in her orbit. If they don't have their job in common and she's not living close to him anymore, he doesn't have any way to keep pining after her while never making a move. I get being spurred into action at the thought of REALLY losing someone, but doing it the way he did right after she lived through a traumatic experience makes him come off as extrmely callous and self-centered, and I don't think that makes him a good dating prospect for anyone. Haven't seen seasons 5 yet, so maybe I'll pivot on him again, but he's progressively become a character I just don't like, and season 3's ending and all of season 4 just made me lose hope on their relationship as end game.

[@FotoPhreak12]

It's been awhile but I thought the Christmas episode showed Retsuko declining Haida after he shoots a shot. She said she wasn't interested at all him and saw him as a friend. So going forward it fell even more pathetic to see him not honored that boundary and move on. Plus the show really did poor Inui dirty

[@cheerios_cow]

I’m so happy that people are talking about Aggretsuko 😭

[@burmessafox3939]

S9meone mentioned that the creator originally only wanted to do 2 seasons, but Netflix encouraged them to keep making more, which explains why we're getting what we're getting

[@nin315]

so i never watched this show as i was of the impression that it will bore me with simple topics thinking it was like a teen show but the intro to this video immediately convinced me to watch it

[@tic857]

Haida: the guy I wanted to root for. The guy I rooted for. But then he done fucked up and now I can't root for him. He dropped the ball at almost every turn even though everyone was passing the ball to him and telling him to shoot even with the opposing team going "GO SHOOT MAN!"

[@LizardOfOz69]

the biggest fuck up they did was him actually managing to blur out to her he likes her at the end of Season 2, and her response was a big NO, and yet the following seasons she continues to haunt his brain 24\7, until season 5 officially says "fuck it, they're together" right at the start.

[@redscorner4324]

Listening to this summary, makes this ship feel a lot like Ross and Rachel with Haida being a bit less toxic. Slow burn relationships can be good when the characters both grow and come together in a more natural way, kinda like Nick and Jess from New Girl. I was very invested in their friendship growing into attraction and genuine romantic love for each other.

[@GrandCorsair]

I was wary about clicking expecting to be the same old arguments but you laid out your argument in a way I do actually agree with. Romantic tension is great until it's pushed to the limit it becomes exhausting. I feel like some shows are worried that if they get together it will become boring. I don't know you can't tell good stories with a established couple?

[@Mediados]

"Now Aggretsuko is all about that repressed agony of being in your early 20s." *Proceeds to list things I can't relate to* I think we have a very different idea of what early 20s look like.

[@breanntheartist1989]

I'm in my 30s and I can relate to Aggretsuko.

[@rougestarlight4308]

Everybody does have different experiencies, but sadly most people are traumatized, have low EQ or live precariously, so they relate to Aggretsuko a lot

[@falconeshield]

If you work in your early 20s, it's all relatable.

[@Mediados]

@@rougestarlight4308 I still wouldn't say most people are traumatized. I mean of course it's not fun for many people who have to work shit jobs, but I am pretty sure that most 20 year olds aren't barely clinging to their sanity. Having shitty bosses is very relative because you can just as well have a good one even if you hate your job, and having no plans for the future is kind if your own fault.

[@Derpatron-gy6mp]

@@rougestarlight4308 Ah yes, I too have low eq when mixing music or audio in general.

[@ralcolfwolfcoon8207]

Agreed! Haida finally stepped up. My favorite part was when Retsuko was moaning in her slacks, Haida did the exact same thing she did when Haida did it, "So, how long you gonna mope for? Here have a banana", and puts it in her mouth XD

[@denysvision]

I like when characters switch roles, it makes them pretty much in common

[@ralcolfwolfcoon8207]

Agreed

[@phirerising]

I mean, the thing about dating Tadano that a lot of people don't get unless they've been there (and I have) is if that relationship goes south you have nothing. If they don't want you to work, and promise to cover the expenses, and they leave the picture? You have. Nothing. You cannot cover your expenses. So sure, on the surface it looks like the perfect relationship! It looks fun! But the reality is, you're walking a tightrope. And you can fall at any moment. There are of course, the other issues like their end goals (Childfree, Marriage free vs Children & Marriage) not being compatible but this always gets me. Everyone thinks Tadano is perfect- But having dated and gotten cheated on by a Tadano, He's not. He's not perfect. He's risky. Haida..is a male hyena. Male hyena's are submissive by nature. So.. His personality is spot on for that. Whether he's right for Retsuko or not.. I can't say. But I'd take a Haida over a Tadano any day.

[@phirerising]

As for the yelling at her.. The reason this works, is it shows he knows her. He understands her. He gets it. He can relate. And that's really all she wants at that point.

[@madisonpetri7361]

I knew something odd was happening when I knew, logically, Retsuko and Haida would end up together, but in my heart, I was rooting for Retsuko and Tadano.

[@morelstrike]

Tbh, when his scenes with Tadano have more "will they, won't they" energy then any interaction with the main character of the story, especially one on the plane, it's not surprising that his gay ships are more plausible in the eyes of the viewers.

[@murmurcub]

Imagine if Haida and Retsuko just break up in 6th season, and they just move on to healthy relationships.

[@amyyfran21]

tadano and haida kissed, i saw it. it was revealed to me in a dream and i wrote the show.