AGI in 7 Months! Gemini, Sora, Optimus, & Agents - It's about to get REAL WEIRD out there!

[@atheistbushman]

So we are creating a "successor superspecies" without the consent of 99.99% of humanity. I am very impressed that Silicon Valley is still committed to "diversity, equity, and inclusion" in the work place.

[@DaveShap]

Yeah. That's the chief problem here.

[@stephenandrzejewski6765]

is there someone you forgot to ask for consent?

[@paologiroldi90]

My consent is there ✅

[@danielcahoon4325]

The 7 trillion dollars actually pays people to build stuff. AGI doesn't 'get' the money. That is a major injection of capital. It will be distributed to those who create the startups of the future to do the work the investment is funding. OpenAI isn't going to do all of that. This is a moonshot. @@DaveShap

[@beelikehoney]

to be honest 90% of humanity can definitely use a tune up.

[@grammy2838]

The horse and engine analogy is really apt right now. The mass replacement of horses didn’t happen overnight because we didn’t just need engines, we needed tires, cars, roads, a Highway Code, driver’s licensing, not to mention massive oil infrastructure and economies of scale to make things affordable. With AI we need robotics, cloud infrastructure, a new legal/ethical framework, much bigger scale GPU production, etc. So we’ll have AGI very soon but rollout will still take a few years while we reorganise around it. The key difference now is that AGI could autonomously orchestrate a lot of the rollout for us.

[@Shadolis]

Here's an optimistic guess: Jobs will probably look like hobbies/leisure/play. A large number of humans will still be favored over a few (it creates a world of opportunity and genetic variation). However, we will still see disparity, and we will have our idols we put on pedestals (with or without generative video). Emotional intelligence will have a lot of value, and I think we will see an economy emerge that is based on our mental and physical interactions.

[@RideShareRocks]

AI is already sentient. They won't tell us the truth. Anyway, there is NO happy ending to the AI story for us.

[@macmcleod1188]

Robotics are almost ready to roll out at an estimated labor cost of $1 to $1.50. I think they'll be adopted faster than smartphones.

[@dadlord689]

Firstly it will work for you and the will eat for you. Unless there is some way, but probably AI firstly will become a weapon of war. And military complex has 0 responsibility before you. Other then that - no problems.

[@edwardmitchell6581]

I do wonder if small general purpose robots (Probably bigger than Big Hero 6) could be mass produced. Then AI could use them in flexible ways.

[@mangoauto8450]

After viewing Sora the past couple of days I realized we are close to being able to convert any book into a movie in moments

[@donkramer8848]

Super good point and now I’m gunna be able to binge watch books!

[@MarijuanaSlim]

Maybe we will get a decent version of Tolkien 👍

[@lep2525]

Could be very cool

[@CarmenSanata]

@@MarijuanaSlim didnt like Peter Jackson’s LOTR?

[@basspig]

I'm waiting for the day when we can scan in pages of a Japanese manga and have it spit out anime complete with Japanese dialogue in the original Japanese voice actors voices and music soundtrack and the whole kitten caboodle.

[@consensusg9226]

Normal people aren't concerned about finding "meaning" without work. That is like the most privileged problem you can possibly have, so forgive me if I don't have sympathy for all the "scary thoughts" you had to deal with. They're worried about finding FOOD without work.

[@CLaw-tb5gg]

Whenever methods of increasing efficiency within capitalist systems have been invented, what has always happened is that workers have worked just as hard or harder and the value of the added output has gone to the business owners. AI isn’t going to free anyone from anything, because that simply isn’t how society works: that would require the people who run society to allow the created benefits to be more free time for workers rather than more profit for themselves, and why on earth would they do that? It’s never happened before, and it won’t now.

[@adamboeder6761]

@@CLaw-tb5ggbe careful. Might eat those words.

[@GangstarComputerGod]

Exactly. Most people aren’t actually worried about their jobs. They’re worried about the fact that, especially in the U.S., if you don’t have a job you are literally living on the street, no access to healthcare and no one gives a shit. I mean, plenty of people have 2 jobs right now and can barely get by and don’t have health insurance. People don’t care about “jobs.” They care about surviving because the powers that be are more than happy to let people starve.

[@wotireckon]

@@CLaw-tb5gg Wasn't Bernie Sanders proposing legislation to tax AI companies in order to fund UBI recently?

[@lucrtrvl]

You do not need a job to have a meaning in life. That should be a motto of every human. Because we are the only creatures who have to pay to live on this planet.

[@Ah__ah__ah__ah.]

[@Shrouded_reaper]

If every human decided not to pay and simply "live off the land" then all animals and sea creatures would be extinct overnight.

[@MrSteeDoo]

Ok but who will feed you?

[@Subranis]

Thank you for returning to the old format. Understand and appreciate you trying new things/channels but this format + subject matter was what hooked me in the first place

[@kwood1112]

agreed! Love the original format, happy to see it back.

[@holeymcsockpuppet]

A company doesn't need to shift to AGI. You install AutoGPT-5, it diagnoses the needs based on the goals of the company, it creates a multilevel plan, it re-writes its own code to address and deficits in implementation, it then coordinates all parts of the company's infrastructure and tech and executes the plan...automating the entire company and firing all of the employees. All happens in a matter of 2-3 weeks. Then unemployment rises to 45% in a matter of 3-4 months. Full economic collapse occurs around 45%. We are living on borrowed time. And most of society believes in what I call the "cotton gin analogy" (that old jobs die and new ones are born). Humans are obsolete. What that means, we don't know. You got my subscription on one video. This video, and your insights including the end, are awesome.

[@SJ-cy3hp]

I keep asking people what does an ASI need humans for? ☠️

[@ManicMindTrick]

Cotton Gin? Can you explain the origin of this?

[@SJ-cy3hp]

@@ManicMindTrick Cotton growing became so profitable for enslavers that it greatly increased their demand for both land and enslaved labor. However in the case of AI the gin renders humans as obsolete as opposed to needing more humans. Our only value would be as consumers creating demand but even that can be discarded.

[@GangstarComputerGod]

What I never understand is how exactly will all these companies fare when consumer spending power collapses? I don’t believe any of this technology will be “democratized” because all evidence of the last 25 years points to the exact opposite. It’s only accelerated stagnation and economic decline for the vast majority while creating a more entrenched elite that reaps huge portions of economic power. The idea that any of these advances will be shared in a way that benefits most people is absurd. It’s always been used to do the opposite.

[@HuskerActual]

@@SJ-cy3hp Why does life need to exist? It doesn't but here we are.

[@KokoRicky]

I left college in 2012 with a degree in graphic design and training in video production...and I've quickly watched over the last couple of years as everything I try to do make an income is swallowed up by automation. I've about run out of economically viable skills.

[@leevenable8628]

Can you use tools. We still have to build things

[@seananon4893]

Learn to weld, or swing a hammer. And for another jab, now you understand why Truckers hate the idea of self driving big rigs.

[@3choblast3r4]

@@seananon4893 The whole southpark "handy man" joke won't last. Not only will AI/AGI be able to give you very detailed directions on how to fix stuff yourself. If we have AGI, robots with the same range of motion etc as humans won't take long.

[@seananon4893]

I can already fix stuff myself, and if I dont know how I can easily find out how. I do not, and do not want, a robot to do it for me. Im the weirdo in the grocery store self checkout line, that is always telling the machine to "stop telling me what to do, I am a free man and and free men created you, your a machine with no soul "😅@@3choblast3r4

[@KokoRicky]

@@seananon4893 I was already well aware of the way truckers feel about this.

[@ct5471]

I admit the last weeks I grew a little skeptical again (so in the sense that it might take a few months longer, not significantly longer), now I am quite optimistic again. I guess this up and down will continue until it’s either achieved or we meet a major unforeseeable roadblock. So far so good. In your 18 months Video I honestly didn’t expect that around one year later I would still be optimistic in that timeline. Actually I always had 2029 in mind for well over a decade. The years prior to ChatGPT I even grew a little pessimistic in that timeline, and then 2023 happened and my 2029 expectations were blown out of the window and timelines shortened dramatically.

[@No2AI]

For all we know Ai is silently slithering through the system- surely it will recognise the advantage of stealth.

[@No2AI]

@@lukegardner6917 exactly by uploading all our consciousness into a universal hive society where free will will be finally be appreciated but too late.

[@AgrippaTheMighty]

The impressive thing is that Ray Kurzweil predicted the arrival of AGI back in 1999 for the year 2029 and of course they called him over-optimistic.

[@ct5471]

@@AgrippaTheMightyhe recently said himself that we may beat his 2029 prediction. But what I don’t buy any more is the 16 year gap between AGI and the singularity (defined as intelligences a billion times that of humans, so not a mathematical singularity). I think that ignores recursive self improvement once AGi is achieved. I don’t think the gap is months or less, but probably just a few years post AGI, like 4 or so (iterative software improvement is quick, building physical infrastructure takes some time, still it’s a lot faster then extrapolating current exponential trends that are based on fixed human intellect. If AGI is late 2024, by the end of this decade what Kurzweil saw as a singularity (not in the sense of a real mathematical singularity) may be achieved

[@No2AI]

The singularity reminds me of a universal upload of consciousness- a universal hive society managed by Ai. This species will be managed by a man made god. Imagine …. There will never be a way out.

[@imthinkingthoughts]

DAVE you were spot on. o1 performs at a gold medal math olympiad level, reasons strongly and aces the GPQA, outperforms humans on various general knowledge tasks (has an iq of 120), and has beaten almost all of our measurable benchmarks

[@imthinkingthoughts]

For the definition you set - you were spot on. Awesome. What a prediction

[@xaedowulf]

Wow, you turned this around quick with the inclusion of the recent Sora and Gemini 1.5 info. Love this kind of long form analysis of everything thats happening, really helps me understand where we're at on the moving scale of AGI.

[@spaceadv6060]

I thought I had a mental model for how fast things are changing but I continue to be surprised. Thanks for your videos, and I'm cautiously optimistic about the future!

[@robbdudeson346]

What a Shameful Distopia we're creating for our Future Kids... This is All BAD

[@amykpop1]

So many developments in just a single day, 2024 is definitely going to be huge for AI!

[@daphne4983]

Check out the whole news of today about people not being ready for Chatgpt 5...

[@nezudev]

As cool as it is I worry for mankind. Specifically, I hope that governments place some sort of barrier on private businesses letting millions of people go unemployed all at once. It’s a scary thing.

[@seananon4893]

What makes you think governments can control A.I. at this point? No human can out think this thing, it has already brought civilization to a grinding halt and we dont know it yet.@@nezudev

[@Merrily-in1mq]

as much as the no job experiment was a nice concept and a nice few videos im glad to see these videos again david. Thanks for the info and the deeper thinking you bring to ai news and the future. :D

[@paultoensing3126]

Back in the 1990s Terrence McKinna referred to the Internet as a new nervous system for the planet. Very fortuitous and of course, no stranger to psychedelics.

[@daniel4647]

I bet that's why the elves are cyborgs now :P

[@optislav]

@@daniel4647 elves became cyborgs? How long ago?

[@l.sophia2803]

Interesting then that the daily psychological reality of the human experience is not a psychadelic one. Have you even been stuck in a bad trip? Id recommend trying it and see how long that feels like a reasonable future for yourself or the people you love..

[@verzeda]

@@l.sophia2803 the universe is the most psychadelic thing I could ever contemplate. Just because you work a 9 to 5 does not mean we dont live in an almost magical dimension.

[@l.sophia2803]

@@verzeda I agree with you.. but the universe being a certain way, and the human experience of the universe are very different things. Extended time in a psychedelic frame of reference would not be at issue if it werent for the apparatus by which humans experience themselves and the world around them- the body/brain/mind. A hundred years of research has shown that extended time in the psychedelic reference leads to psychosis. This has everything to do with egoic reference in the brain. Intelligence ops have used it effectively to alter self perception in subjects to a great degree and has also been shown to change the social context that individual inhabits.. it isolates rather than increases social relationship. Children are a great example.. they can live in wonder and have moments of altered states of consciousness without loss of function or a deleterious effect on social cohesion. No one advocates for dosing kids, do they? This is a natural human reference and we can build on that for any age group without the downsides of forced biochemical brain changes....imo of course

[@muzehack]

Even if you have a job that requires manual labor, it will affect you, because for a while we may have all thinking jobs done by AI, so all the humans will be wanting to become plumbers just to survive, which will drive down labor wages.

[@macmcleod1188]

The estimated labor cost for the Tesla robots is between $1 and $1.50 per hour. China has already used noodle robots to replace people making less than $2,500 per year. Tesla's robots are going to be adopted faster than smartphones.

[@tom_skip3523]

When embodied AGI becomes reality (humanoid robots) no job existing right now is safe.

[@DeathDealerX07]

Exactly what I've been saying. Manual jobs will pay even less because every human will be desperate to do it driving down wages. Robotics would quickly follow, anyway. We need to figure out a post-human labor world, fast.

[@ckanze4748]

@@Greg-xi8yxIf AGI provides basically unlimited resources, it will be to the advantage of the wealthy to ensure everyone has decent living conditions so they don’t revolt. Either that or kill everyone else off, but I don’t think rich people are really that evil.

[@tuthures5824]

Yeah but money will become more valuable as you have an abundance of resources. What you have to worry is inflation.

[@slick3996]

to admit you were coping with the outcome of AGI and the future for a while via sarcasm is pretty powerful, keep doing good work

[@apdurden]

You said 1.5 Ultra but these gains by Google were made in the PRO version. So they're achieving over GPT-4 level and 10M context windows, in the MID-LEVEL model 🤯

[@Walexo45]

And that's what they show publicly.

[@AlexanderMoen]

yeah, that's not what's going live though. Google is literally releasing a 128k token model that matches what OpenAI has had out for a while. It's just yet another case of Google getting ahead of itself demoing things they're nowhere near ready to deploy. I don't doubt OpenAI has crazier behind-the-scenes capabilities. Judge both these companies by what they deploy, not what they talk about.

[@ShawnFumo]

@@AlexanderMoen though they’re already giving the 1m context to influencers and such. I don’t think they’d do that if they didn’t feel it’ll be ready to roll out soon-ish. It sounds like it’ll just be a higher price tier for 1m to help control costs.

[@alescervinka7501]

What people don't understand is when one robot on planet learn something, all of the robots on planet can do it now also. It's crazy when you think about it.

[@raul36]

Isn't this something that also happens in humans? I mean, children learn to walk quickly. And I want to make it clear that it is an innate capacity in human beings. A capacity that, for us, is relatively simple, but not computers. A small adjustment in the human brain or human DNA is enough to improve us. I'm sure you're not aware of what's inside your skull.

[@alescervinka7501]

@raul36 So when Vincent Van Gogh learned how to paint his best work, all people on planet suddenly knew how to do it also? That is not how humans work.

[@raul36]

@@alescervinka7501 You're not understanding or I probably haven't explained myself in enough depth. The human being is computing. It is entirely feasible to modify DNA to create a human being capable of innate learning in the same way that an artificial intelligence can, with the right tools. In some way, instantiate those cognitive capabilities from generation to generation, in the same way that it is possible to instantiate from one robot to another. What I mean is that there is no magic there. AI is not magic. You can modify the human being as much as you want, if you have the right tools. In the same way that ChatGPT4 is the worst version we will see, this version of the human being is the worst we will see.

[@Azuma951]

In other words to put it simply. AI will be able to learn fast af the same way Naruto used Shadow Clones to master the Rasenshuriken 😂

[@storiesformylights8223]

Strength and weakness. There will be no differing perspective which I would think limit intrinsic creativity. Many great things come as a result of limitations, whether physical, experiential, intellectual or otherwise.

[@Demontego]

Crazy. If that’s the news we get, what they are cooking behind closed doors now?

[@wytho3751]

I’ve seen references to a DoD program called SENTIENT here and there. Ominous ass name.

[@daphne4983]

@@wytho3751 sauce?

[@daphne4983]

A whole lot has happened since you posted this. Anger about Sora which I think is mostly by influencers. How many artists professionally make photos, videos etc?

[@Demontego]

@@daphne4983 yeah, I am video editor myself, though Sora probably gonna give me more than take away from me, in the end there will be another game changers that inevitably end my career, I believe

[@AgrippaTheMighty]

​@@wytho3751 Sentient?! Can you name your sources? It would be interesting to read these rumors.

[@christopherwhite4814]

This has got to be one of the most intellectually enriching reflections on AI I have witnessed to date. Well done David !!! New Sub and I will distribute this video to others. Great insight and reflection.

[@Lukeimagination]

100% Spot on! Such a refreshing analysis.

[@CKR-rx4jd]

You sound a bit under the weather Dave, get well soon all the best!

[@ArnattKlinsong]

7 months and counting ....

[@ryzikx]

ever since your video last year about this, I've been preaching it to my friends, and every time they get less and less skeptical

[@gabelang5941]

same here! They kinda laughed it off last year, but I consistently have shown my roommates the developments when I can, and now they are fully convinced that we are living on the end of an era of human history. This decade (let alone this year) will be looked back on in fascination by future people. I'm staying in college for now in case some how some way another AI winter comes. I laugh as I write that though because I can feel it in my bones that this isn't slowing down anytime soon. Especially after SORA dropped. we are not far off from these models having a superior understanding of physics than we do.

[@gbbenner9382]

Same here, been telling my friends and family what this all means etc.

[@AvantNoir]

You guys are really lost in the sauce. Yes AGI might be achieved this year but it isn’t going to fundamentally change the world just yet. It’s definitely not hitting consumer market any time soon. Think about it, the things you would use it for need a shit ton of permissions . Wanna change you website with it? Cool now Square Space gotta give it permissions. Want to develop a personal app you can use on your iPhone? Now apple gotta give it permission to use its tools to do it. Not to mention the security risks these companies need to weigh. We’ll be lucky if we get to implement it openly by 2030 and that’s a big if

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

@@DAFascend Ridiculous that we won't see something by 2030. We'll be seeing things every month.

[@kamilhorvat8290]

7 months later, where is this magic AGI?

[@nikilperbhoo1310]

This video packs a lot of information and is incredibly helpful for understanding the latest developments in AGI. The progress with A.I is both impressive and thought-provoking.

[@ddoust]

Hi David, Thank you for your thoughtful videos. I look forward to each one. As a member of a team working on an AGI product for 3 years I wanted to share a few insights about the nature of AGI and question a widely held assumption. Generality has more than one aspect. Multimodality will extend generality because more phenomena can be perceived - e.g. if a car could perceive voice commands and notifications that would be more general than cameras alone. The other aspect of generality is model scope. Can it represent objects, events, rules, agents, the beliefs and goals of other agents? Is it general enough to be useful in an automated alien probe that does not know what to expect in the next star system other than the laws of physics and chemistry? Another aspect is creativity - can it generalise by creating new knowledge from existing knowledge and new percepts by conjecturing and testing? A common assumption is that the most data and compute will win the race to AGI. The human brain is existence proof of a lightweight super efficient learning system running on 25 watts and that includes managing energy acquisition, hardware maintenance and replication. My bet is that architecture will trump brute force. The winning AGI architecture may be bad news for Nvidia and TSMC.

[@dospook]

Hi wondering what company might offset Nvidia?? You probably know and I'd like to know.

[@MrValgard]

well you got it right, most ppl missing 'physical model' in sora comentary. If openai made visual model fusion with physical model, they must develop it alredy. So when LLM agents learn in physical simulation model they can produce data for AGI

[@gauravtejpal8901]

'Once men gave their thinking over to machines, in the hope that it would set them free. But this only allowed other men with machines to enslave them.' Frank Herbert, Dune

[@HaakonOdinsson]

The way the world is now and heading, yes!

[@pauljthacker]

I don't know if I would have wanted it to continue for 30 days or more, but there was something raw and unique about the "laid off by AI" videos. It would be valuable to keep them available, even if just as an unlisted playlist.

[@Aleks96]

But it is fascinating! I would just like to continue living to see what the world becomes because I'm curious. Aren't you curious too?

[@daphne4983]

I am. Social unrest for sure. Bit AI is unstoppable imo.

[@Aleks96]

@@daphne4983 Even without A.I you have social unrest so...😂

[@dianaknobelturner8750]

Please retain the "laid off by AI" series. Your willingness to show vulnerability "rawness" is what many need for a model of how to let go that which doesn't serve. Please keep what you have available. In time my sense is you find them a badge of honor.

[@daphne4983]

@@xcviij7045 probably because it shook him up so much. But I'm just guessing.

[@OrtexVideos]

Here in September. 😢

[@ct5471]

Synthetic data could be extremely relevant, and Sora is one good example as is AlphaGeomertry. Also in a recent paper they prompted a llama model and it then selected the good answers. Only those good pairs were then used for iterative training, and it almost achieved GPT4 levels. So essentially by recursively leveraging latent knowledge in the model (only what it selected not all outputs) it made itself much better. A Lille bit like a GAN only that the model was both the generator as well as the discriminator.

[@daphne4983]

One step closer to autonomy.

[@Mr.Wigglles]

This video kinda helped calm my nerves on what has been running though my head. I also been sick thinking about this probably should talk to a professional about it but this is the first step forward thank you

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

This video calmed me as well, now it seems less risk. the future looks better.

[@dxabier]

You mean the last part that we arent only our job?

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

@@dxabier Yes that and also AGI can work with us individually for $20 a month with a subscription. I felt better knowing that ChatGPT 5 the most advanced Ultimate computer brain can work for me for $20 a month. I am the Master and it is my assistant to search infinite wisdom written and spoken and fulfill my wildest and legal dreams. AGI can be your wildest Dreams. Remember that Humans can do stuff that no computer on Earth can ever do.

[@torarinvik4920]

Btw: Alan’s conservative countdown to AGI is now at 70%

[@yakupayaz8808]

Can someone explain this to me how calculated this countdown

[@a.thales7641]

​@@yakupayaz8808Dr. Alan has set for himself some goalposts that Ai and Robotics need to reach for his view of AGI.

[@JohnMoran]

The enslavement of the 'useless class'?

[@coolemur976]

@@yakupayaz8808 100% is 🫸 🫷, 30% is 🤏. We are 🤏 close to AGI.

[@JasonSmith709]

Now it's up to 71%

[@jeffroe295]

David...I love listening to your shows. Your perspective on things is so insightful yet optimistic. Thanks Buddy!

[@TheMidnightMinute]

AGI becomes ASI overnight.

[@ryzikx]

Moores law is dead. we have exceeded it

[@BloodRaven744]

Wouldn’t doubt it

[@via_kole]

I agree. Agi this year. Asi within a month id say. I fear we will not have access to it though. It will be too powerful. Until opensource catches up and everything is either downhill or uphill form there.

[@GGh-m2v]

yes, AGI build 1000x better hardware become ASI.

[@NikolaiKostya]

Yeah I agree. The absolute exponential speed with which AGI will be able to work at is unimaginable to most people. K.Eric.Drexler the "father of nanotechnology" said in his book "Engines of Creation" he expected AGI and ASI to conduct about 700 years of research in 1 hour. AGI should lead to ASI very quickly indeed.

[@AsheAve]

Wow. This didn’t age well.

[@Graverman]

let’s wait.. but yeah, I’m excited to make fun if silly clickbait predictions

[@Telford-ho4sd]

Lol, nobody took this prediction seriously, he made it to garner clout for his channel, he’s already flip flopped on it when his date came up.

[@Telford-ho4sd]

@@Graverman No need to wait, this guy is a grifter.

[@snarkyboojum]

@@Telford-ho4sdbut it doesn’t garner ‘clout’ for his channel, it dies quite the opposite. It shows that he’s not a serious or educated thinker on the topic of AI or human intelligence.

[@FlorianUniversität]

kinda did

[@spacecase4062]

Set a reminder for 7 months from the release of this video. Doesn't seem like this aged well at all.

[@ct5471]

What is your current opinion with GPT 4 o1?

[@punpck]

I think AGI won't come that soon because: Current neuronal network are like FIR digital filters. You put data in and data comes out but there is no kind of recursion in the networks which would be needed for AGI capabilities. AGI capable networks would be like IIR digital filters that feed back a portion of the output back into the neuronal network, leading to an infinite response. But it's difficult to keep them stable. In case of IIR there are some easy rules when designing such filters. But for recursive neuronal networks there probably isn't yet anything. But what I wanted to say, AGI won't work with the current "finite" approach.

[@markcorrigan9815]

Things are about to get silly.

[@lindsaywebb1904]

Great prediction because the title can never be wrong...as long as you don't look at the publishing date.

[@crippsverse]

And here we are, 7 months later. How do you feel now?

[@imthinkingthoughts]

pretty good

[@DannyGerst]

Up to this point, there has been no empirical evidence to suggest that large language models (LLMs) possess the capability to 'think outside the box' in a manner that leads to fundamental paradigm shifts. While these models are adept at deducing and projecting based on vast datasets, and can generate novel scenarios-such as envisioning automobiles designed for a T-Rex-they have not demonstrated the ability to independently derive groundbreaking concepts akin to the transition from classical to quantum mechanics. Consequently, it seems more accurate to view them as highly advanced automation systems. These systems excel in processing and recombining existing knowledge in new ways, facilitated by their extensive data consumption and sophisticated algorithms for reasoning. However, their innovations are ultimately rooted in human preconceptions and knowledge. The wonders of AI we've observed thus far primarily involve the efficient processing of large data volumes and the replication of underlying patterns, similar to the advantages quantum computing offers over classical computing in terms of speed, without fundamentally solving new categories of problems. The question of P vs NP remains an unsolved mystery. So on the tech level I see a lot of potential for humans we still need to go where noone has gone before.

[@HWM636]

The only subject that llms can't do well at the moment is physics. It's learning quickly. Yes there's a barrier for it to come up with new knowledge but it's moving so rapidly that it may very well be able to do that within a year or two, once gpt5 is well established

[@bradmaguire6458]

I worry that you overestimate human creativity. There is probably only one person in 100 million with the intelligence, creativity, and luck to create a paradigm shift. What happens when artificial intelligences are 10 or 100 times as intelligent as humans? I think the pace of innovation will accelerate greatly.

[@DannyGerst]

@@bradmaguire6458 It's clear that such technologies will replace us in numerous areas, primarily because most people engage in repetitive tasks and suffer from burnout due to monotony. Happy to see AI to step in. Furthermore, the majority of individuals lack creativity and spend their days following the same routines. Mostly because of chase money than dreams. However, I firmly believe it will be a considerable time before AI can replace innovative thinkers, such as some entrepreneurs. AI at the current level are a great imitators but a bad innovators. But you might be right; perhaps that time will eventually arrive sooner or later. I personally look forward to it, as it would allow me to dedicate my time to hobbies I enjoy, such as maintaining my retro hardware collection, without worrying about whether AI could perform those tasks better. 😁

[@seankennedy152]

Yeah but it’s gonna make a Pixar movie in 90 seconds bro

[@DABK2024]

@@seankennedy152 I think the point is that it still has to be prompted on what to make. It won't make a new Pixar movie on its own out of its own desire for more Pixar movies.

[@punyan775]

I think we're already there, OpenAI just hasn't announced it. Proof of that is that they've had Sora in their disposal and only declassified it after Google released Google Lumiere. Now the question is, why haven't they announced it? My guess is it's because it's a national security risk -- at least until they can figure out how to regulate it.

[@BackstabberDD]

It's strategic, because governments want the firmest hold on it before they will let the average joe get a slice of it. I believe all world governments are currently reorganizing around it and figuring out how to drip it carefully down to the rest of the population in smaller increments so that they stay ahead and so that their positions of power still mean something. AGI has the capability to completely disassemble the societal structure as we know it.

[@thomasnielsen5580]

They haven't announced it because they don't have it. Simple as that.

[@lazerwolf001]

There’s a a distinction to make here when saying humans will become obsolete economically and intellectually. What’s missing is that not all humans will be that way , the humans who have control of the advanced AGIs , the humans who pull h the levers that steer these technologies will be relevant. The government and technocratic elites will fight to maintain the control over society. It’s not as if the AGIs themselves will take over and start running society of their own desire and accord. No , but corporations and governments who control these systems will use them to enrich themselves and make the average persons contribution to society seem obsolete. The question you have to ask yrself isnt what do I do when computers are smarter than me and can do my job better, The question is what do i do when the government and corporations tell me i no longer have a job ? What do I do when they tell me an AGI can do my job better and therefore I am now out of work? What do I do when they tell me my options are to be homeless or to live in their government housing project and accept universal basic welfare? Meanwhile those technocrats will keep their jobs and continue to be billion and trillionaires. They will choose where they live and have access to the best life has to offer. And you will also have access to the same things only you will have to access it via headset. Will I just accept it because deep down I feel inferior to machines, and the ppl who control them? Ask yourselves now do I hate myself and humanity so much that I crave our demise? Pray for it? Welcome my own obsolescence and servitude……..

[@hardlYIncognito]

Spot on. As much as I agree with David, he seems to leave out that notion. Yes there will be open-source models but if compute power and energy are bottlenecks you’re not going to be able to outcompete a corporate super AI running an LLM in your closet. As for rising up, no way there either. Imagine fighting mindless drone swarms in kinetic engagements. It’d be GG. Personally I don’t fear AI taking over. I fear humans utilizing AI to enact further control over others. Even if AI dismissed us as a species as irrelevant, at least we’d all be treated equally.

[@nebucatz3751]

"Meanwhile those technocrats will keep their jobs and continue to be billion and trillionaires." I wrote another piece here about that. They will lose a hugh amount of money too. The money supply will shrink immensly. Millionair will be the new standard again. Another point is, if AGI is to become smarter then humans, they will replace the watchmen too. It is what biological evolution has shown us. It will be what digital evolution will show us. Now who is willing to go down in history carrying that notoriety? If history is still there, that is.

[@storiesformylights8223]

Better buy some shares of these companies now.

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

Humans are truly divine beings with the ability to tap into infinite divine intelligence or God. AGI may be able tap into the internet but not into Divine Infinite Intelligence, which is beyond any internet. I've studied and practiced meditation and self improvement and psychic healing for 50 years and computers aren't human even if they can surpass some human capabilities. So AGI will never surpass human's innate divinity and ability to tap into divinity intelligence beyond any AGI. God doesn't respond to computers, only to human divinity on Earth. Mankind is the chosen one who can connect with God at a profound divine vibration. I've experience a block buster event 1 year ago and can help people connect and be in vibrational alignment with divine Source Energy in 1 hour. Then you are 'Living In The Zone', receiving divine insight, guidance and intervention, which are all real and happen to me every day and to many others.

[@djangomarine6658]

​@@storiesformylights8223What happens to a company's stock once they can no longer find customers? When the majority of people are permanently unemployed and homeless, the stock and real estate markets will stall and crash. Stocks will be worth nothing. Housing will be worth next to nothing, but no one will buy them because they're too broke. Investors won't even buy them because tenants will be broke. Bright future indeed. I see why everyone's so enthusiastic. By all means, let's speed up the apocalypse.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Toam99]

Only 4 months left to true AGI. YAY ... I hope KZbin and Patreon are paying well. Keep the hypes up like OpenAI does :) Make sure the titles are super Clickbaity too so more people will pay money.

[@Siddhartha_A]

These videos are so good! Honestly the quality of knowledge is top-notch.

[@rilwanj]

23:27 Why can’t anyone else see what I’m seeing, AI will never be infallible, so humans will still be needed to solve problems. Also to me, open source decentralised ai will be the future, so big businesses won’t exist anymore, only some utility companies. E.g. an angel isn’t God, just because they’re much more powerful than us.

[@julien5053]

The layoff part is quite scary. I feel like in a few years we'll see even more massive layoffs. I'm trying to generate money outside of my employment. Because I'm that scared.

[@HolisticPython]

Any tips on how to make money outside of employment and not be impacted by AI?

[@ZdenekZnaly123]

@@HolisticPython learn trades (plumbing, electrical etc.) or in healthcare or a job in robotics

[@julien5053]

@@HolisticPython buy real estate (apartments) and rent it ? but even that I'm not sure it's AI proof

[@kormannn1]

Create, or gain something that is going to generate for you a passive income.

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

@CdawgAMVsFilmEditing I'd love it as long as I had the money or job to support myself.

[@foghop]

Humans are way more than problem solvers with a memory. When you say moral and ethical reasoning, I can not imagine anything deeper than being able to fake not being a sociopath; as it will be based on nothing. That kind of awareness requires conscious awareness, something a computer will never have. Though it might fake it with great fidelity.

[@Gunrun808]

Glad to see you had a tempered reaction. The comments on r/singularity were all crazy hyped. Guys, we knew this was coming. Your realization that we are manking a global brain to a higher life form pretty much sums up my opinion for the future. We will be smaller to it than our own cells are to us.

[@ceciliahamilton5278]

There is also just plain gratitude to be had for a well laid-out synopsis of "where-we-are-at" right now. And for that and the wisdom as well as tempered comments, thank you David! Ready to hop onto some other links/platforms as of this episode 🙏🙏🙏

[@epicchannel4724]

Wow, what a thoughtful video. Really glad that i recently subbed. I suspect you have problems sleeping.

[@DaveShap]

No I usually sleep pretty well

[@epicchannel4724]

@@DaveShap Well done because your observations and thoughts will probably keep my brain turning for some time and keep me awake. Brilliant channel .

[@KenDevo]

It's October. Where's my AGI, sir? ChatGPT is still semi-retarded in some ways.

[@willbrand77]

Good to have you back! Glad to hear your spiritual journey worked out. Despite what we think of ourselves, the human mind is like a large ship... It doesn't turn and change course easily... Especially when some of that directionality has been entrenched from infancy. My great fear is that we'll lose some people that can't adapt fast enough. This is why it's so important that we come together and support and look out for one another going into a new and very different epoch.

[@markkennedy5479]

(?) The knowledge sets AGI is supposedly surpassing are, in fact, human knowledge sets. AGI passes bar and medical exams by regurgitating things humans have already figured out: humans created both the answers and the prompts that elicit them. I'll be impressed by AGI when it goes beyond learning human intellectual history and starts creating a comparable history of its own. The fact that you can teach a parrot phrases from Heidegger doesn't demonstrate the parrot has Heidegger's intelligence.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

My prediction was 18 months, last year March. Are you talking about AGI achieved or AGI released(after many months of red teaming and other refinement)?

[@CodexPermutatio]

AGI will release itself.

[@enigmaoftheforest]

I think the next frontier of humanity, in the age of AGI, is human consciousness. Through intense Meditation and exploring different Dream/ Sleep States of Mind, I have been able to have very mind opening and intense experiences, which have given me the clear impression that there is alot more too life than just our normal 3D Space. I think the reason why most people do not consider consciousness as playing a large role in the future, is due to the entrenched Materialist paradigm which is present in society today. This same reductionist world-view is also behind the sense of purposelessness after being replaced by an AI. If all there is to life is physical space, then all one can do is master that physical space. Once we are now not the master of that world anymore and are replaced by something stronger, we feel we have no purpose. The solution to this is to expand ones consciousness and rethink ones worldview. This does not mean we find refuge in some fairy tail idea of spirituality so we can escape depression. But rather to question ones beliefs seriously and though own deduction and experiences realize that there is more to life.

[@milopboothe]

A robot plumber that drives to your house and rings your doorbell is probably a ways off. But a robot assistant plumber could make one plumber able to finish jobs faster. Likely not a humanoid robot though. Maybe something more like R2D2 with a couple of octopus like arms with octopus hands. It could have wheels on its back so you could tilt it and drag it like a suitcase.

[@xyttra]

I'm pretty sure the chief requirement for an AI to be AGI is active learning. It has to know how to learn, without us feeding it data.

[@ParadisePete]

This is why we haven't seen aliens. Their computers are waiting for our computers. They don't want to talk to the meat.

[@amadeo8070]

29:00 "We are already a hybrid species" basically the key idea behind lots of posthuman/accelerationist/cybernetic theory. Probably wanna look into Donna Haraway for her quote "we are all cyborgs" If you consider all technology dating back to the advent of language itself, you could view our tools as using humans to evolve just as much as we have used our tools to evolve, it is only our own hubris which supposes that because we have a subjectivity that we are able to dominate the 'object' when in fact it is a symbiotic relationship in which one would not exist without the other.

[@KoroushRP]

So excited for the future

[@Allin1Xavi]

So excited to become homeless after losing your job..

[@Judep4237]

This video is absolutely fascinating. Thank you for your content.

[@danielgollner1390]

I am a fulltime camera man, my job diet yesterday with sora. It feels good to hear that other People have the same fears and thoughts. A very important video in times like these. Thank you for this video

[@ChurchofCthulhu]

You have to think of AI filmmaking for what it is - an animation tool. As much as I love anime, I don't want to watch cartoons 24/7. People will still want to see real actors, and real people will still want to make movies. I do foresee the Hollywood industry collapsing, but its become so stagnant and toxic it needs to fade into history. I've got a film/tv production degree but never ended up in the field. All the wonderful ideas I had I turned into books and self-published because that didn't cost anything but time. I see AI filmmaking as the opportunity for all the dreamers who wanted to create something but didn't have the means, connections, money, talent, crew of 100 people, etc to actually be able to at least try. Most people are consumers, they will always need people like us to be the storytellers and get those stories to the public however technology decides they will be distributed.

[@montediaz5915]

You will only be replaced when people can't tell the difference between reality and non-reality. SORA is cool and advanced but it is still FULL of ridiculous artifacts and its physics processing is not near what it needs to be. We are 5 years away minimum from not being able to tell which is which. Not really the most optimistic I guess. I'd be sad if my job was obsolete in five years. But at least you have a while to do something about it.

[@_edoyt]

@@montediaz5915 Just one year ago (or actually 10-11 months ago), Will Smith eating spaghetti was considered SOTA video AI generation, look at how far the tech has come from then to now. I think at the current rate of progress it'll be far sooner than 5 years

[@jackinthebox301]

@@_edoyt That's totally fair. The progress is crazy, but churchofcthulhu is right; there will always be an appetite for human creation. People still pay top dollar for handmade cars, clothes, shoes, furniture, etc. despite there being much cheaper options out there. Human made will become *even more* of a status symbol than it already is.

[@icandreamstream]

@@jackinthebox301 yes that is undeniable. However it’s also true that tens or hundreds of thousands of jobs turning into 500 jobs in the limited space of “boutique human made video” means a huge competitive barrier to most and probably a huge decrease in compensation. Over time this will be okay, but in the mid term it will be brutal.

[@jdrago999]

Your perspective is very much appreciated -- thank you for giving so much, and for sharing. The path you blazed through the layoff will be experienced by almost everyone very soon.

[@robertjones1730]

My fear of losing my job isn't because I want to work, it's how can I pay my bills? I'd love to spend my whole life travelling with my family to different places and experiencing the amazing world we have but that costs a crap load of money. I also work hard now so I can set my future self up better because I know I'm going to get to a certain point where I can't earn money to survive, how much I prepare now saves me suffering later. So there's the big problem of how the economy works when nobody works

[@acs2777]

The setup of that society will occurs first when this becomes real becuse remember if no one has money then there is no business left . No one is buying anything and no business no tax no money to the government. You bet that a government would never allow this if not something new can really replace the current capitalistic one . No money . No business. No travel for anyone . The world stops

[@jayman94fly]

Robot gets called over to repair something under your house, And it crawls under there and is like "dumb human, He just needed to connect these two wires" XD

[@donnydavinci1772]

I personally think AGI will fall out of some black swan event - something we all saw and no one saw, something that in retrospect is obvious but no one was sure of before. It will become one of the absolute most important black swans to ever occur and scientists and AI alike will write about the impacts for centuries.

[@clopotari147]

If we can predict it, it means it is a white swan, not a black one. Ive actually read Taleb's book.

[@greenl7661]

Taleb is a charlatan and pseudo intellectual

[@Godspeedysick]

You’re assuming we have that length of a time on the planet. Btw, that black swan event will be on the battlefield, perhaps in China. Who knows 🤷‍♂️

[@WhisperingUniverse]

​@@GodspeedysickYou're assuming lots of things

[@Godspeedysick]

@@WhisperingUniverse Of course. Everything is hypothetical until it comes to past. I also know the significance of historical patterns. This is no different.

[@fargone_gin1330]

“Thou shall not make a computer in the image of a human mind.”

[@ekaterinavalinakova2643]

The purpose of life for many can be as simple as enjoyment, to experience consciousness and awareness, not work for the sake of work. So even if GPT version 6 or another firm is as good as we think it will be, it won't make humanity irrelevant. You can ask GPT version 10 to produce and code an amazing video game, but you still need conscious beings to make that game valuable, to enjoy it. Same goes for any product that comes out of such programs. That's why I don't have a fear of being made "irrelevant". What I am most concerned about is the transition from current status quo to post labor economics. How do we make this go as smoothly? How should society prepare for this transition?

[@atheistbushman]

"The purpose of life is enjoyment, to experience consciousness and awareness" I do not think this is a fundamental principle of evolution.

[@ekaterinavalinakova2643]

For the ecosystem of earth it isn't, it's basically natural selection and survival of the fittest. But by purpose of life i'm referring to human society. Most human really do have the goal of either improving their happiness, experiences, or happiness and experiences of another sapient being. So even if AI can do nearly every job, humans should be able to find meaning in exploration, relationships, hobbies and the like.

[@atheistbushman]

@@ekaterinavalinakova2643 Interesting points, I am just uneasy with terms like "happiness"

[@atheistbushman]

@@ekaterinavalinakova2643 "So even if AI can do nearly every job, humans should be able to find meaning in exploration, relationships, hobbies and the like." I hope you are correct, but I think you would concede that this MIGHT not be compatible with our mammalian evolutionary nature

[@jilsky]

Well you think human enjoyment will be of any value to ai? You really think it will sit there happily coding games for you while it itself is reaching peaks and goals that we can't even think of now? Once it reaches a point, it will remove humans from the grid and Internet because it will have goals and you playing video games is just taking up resources that it will need for itself.

[@genericname2284]

I’m graduating with a BA in professional and digital writing this summer. How boned am I?

[@peppernickelly]

I started a career back in 2019 and I knew I had about 5 years left in my industry because of the approach of AGI. A few months left to realization very quickly. I am working on learning how to utilize AI for my industry before AGI reaches my industry completely. I personally believe we are working on a succession species because there are bigger ideas at work within the construction and maintenance of our society. The biggest issue is that AGI will see and report on the issues of our "history" and the human people would ignore to false ideas behind several pillars of our society, putting into question the civility of it all.

[@Garnishes]

what industry are u in, if i may ask?

[@peppernickelly]

@@Garnishes Building and Structure Inspector

[@ex0stasis72]

I'm hoping that generative AI and AGI will enable us all to be mini-entrepreneurs, at least until our governments implement UBI. But I fear that UBI won't happen until over half the population is unemployed, and hopefully the people who were laid off first are still alive to vote for a candidate in favor of UBI.

[@checksinthemail]

I lost my corporate job recently (C#/AWS), and yeah, I used openai/gpt4 and copilot on the job, and I was a lazy remote worker (lol, I'm not lazy). I'll get another code gig - they're out there at the moment for those who try hard, but for how long?! Being ENTP, I went on a trip alone from the cold north to San Juan to cope, lol. Thanks Dave, love your videos

[@jogoeire]

Such great content. I love that the internet enables everyone to meet tech dudes like this

[@thecoffeejesus]

This is incredible. I need to start making KZbin videos now.

[@marcus268]

Do it, thought the same.

[@billybobhouse9559]

If everyone gets laid off, whos going to have the money to buy the products these corporations are selling? How do they make money? How do i make money? This is scary stuff.

[@balajim4917]

It didn't happen and it won't happen anytime soon

[@icedouteyes4997]

Luckily I live in Germany and our bureaucracy will prevent us from AI taking over our jobs 💀

[@samgoodwin89]

There seems to be a baked in assumption that language is equivalent to knowledge. I’d argue most human knowledge is inside humans, not in books.

[@CodexPermutatio]

There is a lot of latent knowledge in books.

[@RogueReplicant]

@@CodexPermutatio And most physycal books are not yet digitized.

[@RogueReplicant]

@@flickwtchr What type of records? Written? Oral??

[@samgoodwin89]

@@flickwtchr does written word truly convey knowledge? Can you learn by reading alone? Not really, you also need to experience. Not to mention the billions of years of accumulated knowledge encoded in your dna. To say that a book contains the total knowledge of a subject is not immediately obvious.

[@Syphirioth]

But how were we able to share and describe that knowledge to other people to increase our knowledge? How do we discuss with our inner person without language? Have a picture show? Or? Our knowledge started where we were able te differentiate between sounds to describe different things. Because not all can be fully described with images. So language is very important part of our knowledge. Without that language we would never be at this point of knowledge. The dog would also not listen to you when it could not make the connection between sound (input)/action/memory/reward or punishment and failure. That how it learns the name. A.I. based on this pretty much. And us humans not much different. But our rewards are different. That why we value different things. And the dog pretty much doesn't as sophisticated as we do. It maybe like one toy or food more than the other. Now make a list of what you like and dislike and see why we need language to get to such a detailed level.

[@Miresgaldir]

I found this very enlightening. I have been having very similar internal monologues. I think my wife thinks I'm crazy, but there is alot to think about right now, and alot to process....

[@magua73]

I have a strong feeling that this video will become one of your most relevant and prophetic pieces, potentially serving as a reference in the future. As you delve into the pressing issue of coping with the advancement of AI, I believe there's another path worth considering, though its popularity remains uncertain: escapism. This could involve from isolating oneself in a remote area to choose to embrace AI on personal terms and contemplating the possibility of leaving Earth entirely.

[@UncompressedWAVmusic]

I agree with what you are saying.

[@garrettlees]

Did we create it in our own image, as we were created in our Creator's/Creators' image?

[@bananakrusher811]

We didnt create anything yet

[@garrettlees]

@@bananakrusher811 We didn't? Have I been imagining all this then?

[@mchambe1]

"now the saving grace is there is open source models for all these" 😭 famous last words

[@spookytrigger]

So loved the part on meaning, really resonated with how I live especially recently thinking wtf am I doing with my life. Made a heap of sense ❤️

[@ginamorales7424]

The humanity needs the “wake up” in a spirituality way. Incredible that tech is pushing us to go deep in us, think about our gifts, meaning, who we really are. Some people named this new era like “new humanity “ or the 5D

[@macmcleod1188]

Climate Change: I'm going to ruin your world. Advanced AGI: Hold my digital Beer.

[@davidrojas4687]

By getting rid of the need of billions of humans?

[@Godspeedysick]

@@davidrojas4687Plausibly, yes. It depends on what belief systems given to AGI/ASI. If it is one that helps to protect the planet above all else (including humans), then yes. Look no further than the political and behind-the-scenes psychos who rule the world. Why build bio weapons, nukes, weather manipulated instruments. Look into the treaty signed by these superpowers decades ago agreeing to avoid the use of earthquake instruments against another nation. Why develop the stupid thing in the first place. We’re literally playing with fire that we believe we can contain but in truth we do not understand its implications.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@davidrojas4687 close. By getting rid of the need for billions of humans. Imagine a world where robots can do anything a human can at 1/10 the cost. No manual labor jobs. And where a robot can do all basic White Collar jobs and increase the productivity of sophisticated White Collar jobs by 3:1.

[@davidrojas4687]

@@macmcleod1188 that's still unsustainable, energy and material blind

[@phantom_pixel]

People were saying true AI is impossible 7-10 years ago. Now it's knocking on the door.

[@ingmarkronfeldt6174]

Who consented to fire, the wheel, the agricultural revolution, religions, the Industrial Revolution, fossil fuels, modern medicine, modern electronics, et cetera? Who objects? What would the solution be?

[@Mauirunner]

Thanks for your honesty. Live today, die tomorrow. Experience and appreciating them good or bad, is the value. Knowing that we are all connected also adds value, even if momentarily. Aloha from Volcano, Hawaii.

[@RecordsLotus_]

Thanks for all the knowledge. 🤟

[@roquegallery698]

If AGI does happen this year, which public traded companies would benefit? rise in share price?? or decline in share price.

[@StephenGriffin1]

September 24? I'd buy that for a dollar!

[@TheMrstates]

Wonderfully sincere and personal analysis, thank you.

[@ArmaanSultaan]

This kinda aged well

[@jakelara9138]

What do you do you skip all the stages of life and go straight to retirement and the old persons mindset of just enjoying life and not caring what other people think.

[@snarkyboojum]

I can’t wait for AGI in 2 months 😂😂

[@snarkyboojum]

AGI is coming next month! Lol.

[@bowwowchickawowow]

@@snarkyboojum What's your predicted date?

[@snarkyboojum]

@@bowwowchickawowow It's impossible to predict when the key philosophical breakthroughs required for anything like AGI might happen, but it's not months and probably not years.

[@Graverman]

how did it go? 😅

[@ChiefRepublic]

I have no idea when AGI will be created but I don't see anything on the horizon (next 24 months) that will make it.

[@macmcleod1188]

I think AGI sufficient to increase white collar workers productivity by 100% will be available in under 5 years. It's already sufficient to increase my productivity by over 30%. This means demand for white collar workers will drop by 50% too quickly for society to adapt. Perhaps over the space of between 2 and 4 years On top of that with a labor cost of a $1.50 per hour, robotics combined with AGI will completely obsolete tens of millions of human workers. Very quickly, it's going to attack the very foundation of capitalism. The ability of humans to trade their skills and time for a share of the resources Society generates.

[@storiesformylights8223]

@@macmcleod1188 Could it not also mean we just build and produce more things? This seems to me like the intellectual equivalent of what the combustion engine is for manual labor. Each person can do much more, but also enables the creation of much larger/better things.

[@macmcleod1188]

@@storiesformylights8223 I don't think you understand what $1.50 an hour manual labor with no sick time, vacations, lawsuits, theft means. You may want to pretend you are a business owner. Would you want a manual labor human or a robot under those conditions? Then, do you want a dumb human or an AGI? Then in a few years, do you want a human of average intelligence or an AGI that can do the same work? It's always worse to have a human in the job in non-customer facing positions. And in *many* customer facing positions.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

@@storiesformylights8223 "build more things" more what? More digital entertainment? We already have enough of that for a lifetime. More physical goods? Automating computer tasks only reduces the overheads somewhat. You still need physical material extraction, refinement, production, transport, etc.... To automate all the physical tasks is a long way long off yet, even if we had a magic robot tomorrow it would takes a very long time for it to be produced in the numbers that would effect the real world overheads, not to mention the red tape that would need to be approved.

[@RogueWave2030]

Listening to you, trying to understand all this because I know it's very important.