Agilite Sub-Zero - The Prepared Citizen's plate carrier

[@2amichaelj]

Agilite makes some nice stuff. They really think about the small things and have a lot of user friendly features and details I've noticed missing on other like kit. Glad to seem them moving new products

[@mattquist5696]

I’m a sucker for M81. Works well for my area plus nostalgia. Definitely picking one of these up soon. Probably gonna get the ranger green and just add on a M81 placard.

[@ezcompane]

Ok Agilite...let's hook it up with a wild Miami Tiger, Rhodesian, and Desert Night Camo patterns!!!

[@epicfortnitekid8536]

If they do then you’ll only be able to get them through the stupid giveaways and they’ll refuse to sell them

[@sylthaya7571]

TIGER STRIPES. Doing a 1off in vn tiger was criminal. Desert tiger would be sweet too

[@jasonvillarreal3164]

Dang it, now I have to buy this version too! Already have the K19 and the Zero! Great review and keep’em coming brother. Just wish I could win one of their giveaways already!! lol 🙏🏽🤞🏽

[@kevingnomen6092]

For $190 this definitely looks like a great option

[@Fede_uyz]

Some time ago i delved into Qore's numbers. The carriers to the top of the chart were cryes, HS and so on, and those had their weights and prices measured favorably, while the ones from "less mainstream brands" like agilite were measured in the worse case scenario. For example, they counted the padding on the agilite k0 as a negative against Cryes, but then said that the lack of padding on the straps of the cryes could be supplemented with padding from this or that company. The price for the cryes didnt include these paddings. As for weight, the agilite was measured something like 20% over declared weight and some 15% over customer review weight, while the cryes were reportes as considerably under the weight customers reported for the same set up, which greatly tipped the ranking in favor of Cyes and such. They tested heat transfer but didnt consider airflow or actual comfort. Maybe the carrier has a harder time dissipating heat from one side to another, but maybe the padding and airflow can compensate. Their reply was that they could 'weight them on a live" but if they doctored the results they could easily have a modified jpc (straps cut or something) to reduce weight or modify the scales. The fact is that the numbers they reported where considerably off (several ounces in most cases) from the results from common people just weighing their shit. Customer weigh ins were often +-5% and often were no more than maybe half an ounce in difference. But the Qore numbers were 1 and even 3 ounces of difference. (In a plate carrier thats massive) and in under weighting 3oz for the crye, over weighting 3oz on the agilite turns the reported best case scenario for both from a maybe 4oz difference into a 10oz difference.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Well that's even more interesting haha and yea they measure heat transmission as a bad thing but it's cold where I'm at.... I want heat to be retained. So the padding is a double win for me It's all very weird and the fact that their carrier wins every test is.... well.... a little silly

[@cjbrown7745]

Coyote Tan (specifically USMC coyote) or Multicam Arid, please. Us desert rats who live in the Southwest needs some lovin too!

[@__-pl3jg]

I second that!

[@ericbergfield6451]

Looks good, I like Wolf Grey

[@bubbalawrence1]

Wolf Grey master race 🫡

[@mosinnagant9070]

Do you know if the cummerbund will be available separately?

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I think a minimalistic set up for me vs. my fully loaded K-19, would be a Glock stick mags for my B&T APC9 Pro. Kind of a more, I was forced to go to a sketchy urban environment, where I want more fire power to the tricked out G34 I ccw. It helps to have Cowan shoulders to conceal that pistol with an oversized shirt.

[@AnthonyBosque-su6fv]

Thanks for the great video! Appreciated the in depth look at the new carrier. I just ordered mine and it was nice to see some additional info on its features.

[@curlypapi]

This works perfectly for what I have been looking for! I would love if they did Wolf Grey in this! I will try to be patient and wait a bit to see if they come out with it!

[@PapaLeeRayandMissy]

The mag pouches are phenomenal design

[@brandonelliott5345]

I own k19 and 0. I love the 0 compared to the 19. I’m not sure I would get this over the 0 because I feel you can slim the 0 down as much as needed plus bulk up the load with it. Best of both worlds.

[@jordanpohl6856]

Man I got a zero and k-19 shame I don't need a sub, because I would take the sub as a replacement for the zero. But we saving cash for a new road ride. Also would love to see this in ATACs UCON and Rhodesian Brush Stroke.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

sounds like I need to do a giveaway on one haha I'll tell Agilite!

[@Fede_uyz]

Why not sell the zero?, you can probably get at least 190-220 unless you destroyed it and modified it a bunch, and if you get as little as 190 out of the original 290 you can still afford the sub at 189

[@__-pl3jg]

Thanks for showing it fits your wife. I'm a slim guy and was on the fence about fitment. I'm sold! Although I'd like to see a FDE color option soon. Update: I emailed Agelite to ask if there were any options to add molle to the upper chest area. They said no but surely I can just slap a velcro molle panel there right? I just need it strong enough to mount my cell phone. I'm sure I can rig something up.

[@derek1258]

Just got my sub zero today! Curious what radio you’re carrying on the cummerbund, we use the Harris XL-200p and didn’t know if I’d be better off using an external radio pouch or not. Love your reviews and your love for Agilite! I own all three Agilite carriers now and will probably never buy any other brand 🤘🏼

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I just have a simple baofeng as I think it's perfect for most civilians. For a harris you probably want a radio pouch that's behind the cummerbund so it stays closer to you.

[@derek1258]

@ thanks for the advice!

[@markellis6101]

I would love a palte carrier in blue, so it doesn't stand out if it peaks out of an over jacket. But I think Eberlestock discon tinued its blue line of packs - not enough interest. I have their Multicam. But if theyt did one in gray, I would get another. Prefer patches in gry as well, BUT, you could use black pouches in balck on the gray.

[@mountainskyaerialphotograp3921]

I just ordered mine. I like Agilite.

[@RhulkActual]

I always look for your review when new gear drops!! Love agilite. Where did you get your name tape on the front?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I think I got those on patch panel. I've heard of a few new companies starting to do badges so I'll share if I get more

[@RyanBlaze]

What led light is on the carrier? Thanks

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Unity spark marker light!

[@USMCRabbit]

Im always here for T-Rex Arms slander. Never understood why the AC1 had straight shoulder straps other than being easier to cut the material out, but that doesn't make for a comfortable wearing experience.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I mean it works great if your body type is "popsickle stick" otherwise...no

[@breakingcomedytv]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo i.e. - the very body type that Lucas Bodkin possesses

[@Pupp4Kick3R]

Got rid of my k19 since it was a pain to shoulder my rifle and it doesn’t do well in the Texas heat. Was about to buy a jpc 2.0 and lo and behold, this came out the same day I was gonna buy the jpc. I thought I’d give agilite another try because of the price point compared to a jpc with a qd cummerbund.

[@HandsomeRagz]

Another great video, might have to pick this thing up

[@IamIrod]

Quick Question!!… Would you be able to flip the cumberbund “upside down” to run the open end facing downward?? Instead of open end facing upward??

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I'd think so.... yes

[@Donari]

Ok but does it glow under nods like all the other agilite plate carriers?? Thats a deal breaker for most of us

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

No....but 2 things. 1. That whole thing was proven to be a marketing gimmic by Dirty Civilian and NIR compliant fabrics nonsense is stupid. No one actually glows. Here's the video so you can see for yourself =kzbin.info/www/bejne/oourXoh6paiIaNksi=9VMwjvDY8mv6StyP Here's the video where I explain how stupid this idea is also....but like 2 years ago - kzbin.info/www/bejne/fInKcqqPnJiSlbMsi=Wcft5cgIPpQB8txX 2. What other agilite carriers? I tested the Kzero and it had no issue...much like this carrier...but it also doesn't matter. Worry less about what reddit tells you and worry more about using your stuff. edit "most of us" = people who don't know what they're talking about

[@JamesMelton]

I picked up the K19 before the Zero existed. It was my prepared citizen rig. What i learned is that it makes me run hot and it holds sweat, making it feel heavy and cyclically getting hotter. I skipped the K0 in favor of the Qore PC. Well, after running a 40 hour milsim event, I can say with confidence that it cannot bear weight. In truth, you need a PC dedicated to a concept, and my hat is off to Agilite for making a PC that is honest about what it is. This makes me want to just start over with all my gear choices.

[@guitarfreak122]

Absolutely correct about a carrier dedicated to its use. If you are wearing one for more than a couple hours, a structural carrier is a much better option

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

but the Qore did so well in those "super valuable" water tests

[@FoldedPanic35]

Ordered mine today! Cant wait!

[@aahhronismyname8068]

Vertx makes a hook and loop MOLLE panel. Tbh I think it's one wrap that's laser cut. It prob can't hold a lot of weight but I'm sure it can hold a ptt. Maybe agility should make small admin pouches that has hook backing . Like for pens, batteries etc.

[@jb7483]

Shalom I used the K19 but want to get this to try. I seen several Samoor (“weasel”) company soldiers in the IDF use this model in the tunnels.

[@mini8774]

What’s that grim reaper black patch in the front?

[@blznmtl]

for the record they have been offering them lvl3 plates for quite awhile in kits with the k19 and k-zero i have the k-zero in black and the k19 in multicam and 4 of them plates and i run the k-zero the way they want you to run the sub-zero with just a dfndr armor 3mag placard and a tourniquet

[@mvangils410]

Thank you Walsh! Great review! Nice! This is what I always wanted from Agelite. I just ordered one in OG Multicam using the TLDco discount code. Thank you! Now we need it in Black Multicam. Please say hello to the crew for me. God bless! Be safe! 🤙🪖👮🙏🇺🇸

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Multicam is the OG, always will be!

[@rocksolidhope]

Is the sub zero comfortable enough without any plate backers? Could you fit a plate backer in with the plates if you wanted to or would it be too tight to fit?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

It would depend on the thickness. Backers really aren't needed with most modern plates and multicurve is so hella comfy.

[@rocksolidhope]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo Okay, that's good to know. I haven't purchased my first plate carrier yet, but the sub zero looks like it might be the best fit. Been watching a bunch of your videos to do as much research as possible. Thanks for the content and response!

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

np! hit me up if you have questions or need guidance on what to buy

[@rocksolidhope]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo Will do!

[@strxxyp]

I just bought a Medium Size Sub Zero Plate Carrier and I am having trouble finding the correct size quality plates. I plan to be very active in this PC. Running/ working out, etc. I don’t know if I want to go for ballistic plates or rucking/training plates. I want to simulate the real weight of kit while working out. I’m about 5 foot 7 and 130-135 lbs. Any recommendations for armor plates training or ballistic for this PC would be great appreciated.

[@Wayne09831]

I got the same size. I will be throwing in some RMC 1155s. They are ballistic plates, but some steal sapi plates (10x12) should fit perfect and can be more durable for training purposes(dropping or impact)

[@ginoodejar2660]

Which would you choose out of the 3 plate carriers?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I've leaned more into the assaulter style carriers lately and less of the citizen response so I'd say that the K-zero is probably what I would run BUT.....more practical for the world we're in? The Sub zero

[@God_-]

Is it possible to put side plates and shoulder armor on this carrier?

[@theodoros1126]

Warrior assault DSC plate carrier + warrior assault frag belt . Cordura 1000 , ultra strong , lightweight , battle tested ( not on KZbin ) and they don't cost and arm and two legs . 160-170 for the carrier plate and 80-90 for the belt .

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

A couple people have mentioned them before. I never had any luck getting anyone there to respond to learn more about it so I gave up.

[@dyfahey]

I want to see Agilite offer Navy as a colour way

[@Hdcopper]

What PTT are you using with this setup?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

pretty sure it's a disco32 to Kenwood 2 pin

[@EzekielsVisionOfAbominations]

I'd be interested in putting the warfighter cummerbund on here just because I love my k zero but the shoulder straps are just too big for me to shoulder my rifle very well. I'm a tall, skinnier kinda narrow guy, so the comfy padded shoulder straps are great for wearing but not great for shooting. I see something like this and I think, hey, if it isn't too uncomfortable to wear for long times, this plate bag and shoulder strap combo with the warfigher cummerbund might be a good compromise.

[@thegumgum1551]

I wonder if there is a way to add a small backpack on the back, like a camel back or something for storage. Just for light packing since it is still supposed to be small, I like this as a good starter for me, I just want to be able to attach a small backpack. Also M81 let’s get that as a camo, also tiger stripe!

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I am strange as I prefer black camo. It wolds okay in urban areas, and would match my oversized woobie jacket. So even on a partial zip down, the colors would blend.

[@strapperz]

Each plate is 5 pounds or between both plates it is 5 pounds ?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

5 each. 2.5lbs is more like RMA 1165s but you lose some threat rating and it's almost double the thickness.

[@burricat9615]

I would love to have a QD for the shoulders, I wish they would add it. It would be helpful if you need to remove their PC quickly.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I found it's more a mission and SOP requirement than most people actually needing it. cutting the shoulder strap in an emergency is just as fast

[@leandro2760]

Options for side armor/plates?

[@Fede_uyz]

Try the Earmore m32s for inexpensive and decent enough headsets (around 80bucks), use them for shooting no problem, used it in a 4 lane 15yard indoor range with some dudes shooting 9mm, one using a shotgun and me using a .40 and it was perfectly muffled. I got mine 3 years ago, go out to train usually 2x a month and broke recently only when doing some larping i snagged the cable and ripped it off the headset. My bad for not caring more for that snag hazzard 😂. Other than that it has worked perfectly through sun, rain, mud being banged around in my gear bag and dropped several times.

[@danielmartin6283]

So what do you prefer the K-zero or Sub-zero? I like both myself. I don't care for load bearing. I want slick. And if need be i can add what I need to either. Do either have back load outs?

[@phillipgardner3297]

Agilites ranger green looks more like ranger gray. But more importantly we need a pincer cumberbund

[@clearconcisecourteous9647]

Wolf Grey

[@The.End.]

How are the shoulder straps? This is my only concern. I use 15-20lbs worth of plates for events such as tactical games and proving grounds. If I was to add some good shoulder pads would it bring it up to the level of the k-zero?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

They're good but I think the kzero would be better for that. Or you can use the eagle ergo and cheat.....but no one knows about that lol

[@The.End.]

@ I currently use a JPC 1.0 with the crye elastic cummerbunds, first spear trauma padded plate backers, and some cheaper shoulder pads. I think it’s very close to perfect for these events but I don’t feel the need for all the thick MOLLE and annoying elastic cords everywhere. I think everything about the sub zero looks like it will exceed the JPC except for the shoulder straps. Which I’m using extra pads right now anyways. I was thinking maybe the retro concepts pads would be the solution

[@dougkim5231]

Please review the Haley incog plate carrier.

[@charliegalaviz7194]

I’m about to get one On Black Friday. Never had one before what size do you recommend? I’m 5’6 150lbs please get back to me ASAP

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I'd say medium as you're likely in 10x12 plates. but if you get the super thick bois you need a large. Think 1 inch or thicker

[@charliegalaviz7194]

@ thank you sir

[@Dechenzio]

Ok... SO, I need help. Here's my scenario, I work fulltime for the DTF, and spent a lot of time with the Fugitive TF, and TFO for a couple 3 letter agencies, so I spend a ton of time under armor. I'm now in serious need of a new plate carrier, and there's no superstore where you can go try all this on. I'm looking for the most comfortable carrier I can buy, not a tacticool load out monster, just comfortable, with a reasonably slick set up. I also run a battle belt, so I generally just run 3/4 mags on a placard, a small admin pouch, comms, extra flashlight, small pry tool, small dangler (situationally dependent), extra tourniquet, some misc. shit on front, then a bladder (just used for the FML long days) and a medical dangler on the back). Suggestions please? My current front runners are the Crye SPC, DM MEPC, Agilite K-zero/ Sub zero, Javlin A-jac, the Lionheart Hot Pursuit, or maybe a Shaw ARC 2 (that's going to be tough to swallow). Also, the structural cumberbunds... do they not pinch/rub when you're sitting in a vehicle/ bending/ twisting, etc? Been watching the hell out of all your reviews since my carrier got prematurely retired, but at this point, my brain is bleeding, and I'm just confused, lol.

[@ryanaustria6887]

Is it technically possible to add a DM recondite rear bag?

[@Whflynn3]

Would love to see a desert bdu(chocolate chip camo) version. Second choice would be coyote brown.

[@chrissears622]

I like all of agilite stuff, but just wish more colors. Colors i would love to see desert camo(multicam arid) or snow camo

[@Deadbolt412]

Agilite! Make one of these in denim.

[@bubbalawrence1]

Would love to see that in BlueJeanOperator’s hands 😂

[@EvanH108]

I was recently issued the LBT Sentinel plate carrier. It has about a $1k price tag but it was the best I've used while doing dismounted operations. Curious what you think of it.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

That thing is huge. LIke extra fabric and cords and everything all over. I think that style was really popular but there have been some serious advancements that give you a farrrrrrrrrrrr better product for 1/3 the price

[@EvanH108]

​@ThinLineDefenseCo oh I know. I plan on getting the shaw concepts because it fits everything I've been looking for (plate fitment, comms routing, placard, quick release, ventilation, etc. You know lol) but it is the best issued kit I've gotten and with a couple upgrades like structural shoulder pads and the hrt maximus, it was awesome compared to the iotv and my old shellback

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

oh haha "issued" yes, I missed that part. I think that LBT was super popular for a really long time. I think Ronin actually had a knockoff version of that before they ever got into the belt world. It's good but man is it bulky as hell. If you like the Shaw, take a look at the Dynamic principles! Little less SOP centric so it may not work though (no shoulder QDs but better rifle cheek weld)

[@Hdcopper]

Thank you!!

[@william.mcintyre]

Great review Walsh! What are your favorite velcro cumberbunds? I'm looking for a new one for my DM MEPC (my DM cumberbund is a little big)

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I'm a sucker for the hybrids. The DPC and MEPC hybrids are probably my favorite with a small edge to the DPC

[@TheEightiethTarget]

100% agree on the lack of the standard 4x2 molle/velcro chest space and lack of back c-bund flap. WHY companies making 'slick/scalable' carriers keep whiffing on these two design features (and a couple others)...is a real mystery. Which brings me to a moment of 'real talk' - with everyone on the planet kvetching over the AC 1.5 price, the lack of back flap means the 'better price' of this Sub-Zero carrier is technically only $20 off. Because now I have to shell out ANOTHER $40 for the stupid placard just so I can have a rear cummerbund back flap that this carrier should have integrally possessed as part of the design process all along. When there are other carriers on the market that have fixed this annoyingly persistent issue, either via such a simple flap, OR entire rear plate bag design (for example, the Beez Aptum or Tracer Tactical TOW, and several others), I find it inexcusable a brand new carrier has been designed without this, and yet they want to say how they've "perfected" the slick carrier design. Nah... lol Straight shoulder straps have always sucked buttocks though... (yet the LV119 did this before the AC1 and nobody complained...), so it is good to see another company embracing the fact that humans are not Spongebob. lol

[@backwoodsbeagle]

It's all just a matter of what features you can fit in the budget. Not everyone needs or wants a built in back flap, so we prioritised other features that we determined to bring more value to a wider range of end users, like the one size fits most cummerbund adjustment system or the molle on the cummerbund. You can't win em all

[@TheEightiethTarget]

A fair point. And I don't mean to say what was done is 'wrong'. But from that exact POV, perhaps it would have made more sense to say " a fresh take on proven concepts" less "ultimate" and "game changing". I get marketing is important, and everyone wants to promote their product as the next greatest thing since staples so people will buy it, but... I still see another "enhanced Slickster". I'm sure this PC will sell well with people who want that. But IMO, I just don't see the "Final Form" carrier design I would attribute an 'ultimate slick PC' label to. Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. lol

[@ShaneSullivan-q4i]

i wish it was compatible with their micromap

[@ryannjanuary9781]

Alpine color please! Love everything Agilite and if they made a dump pouch I wouldn't have any other gear but Agilite.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

See Agilite! Alpine wins. And I've used that zippered gp pouch as a dump pouch for like camera gear and my phone but I'll pass it on

[@mobilegamersunite]

I gotta go with polyethylene plates for my rig doe!

[@Mu--rf]

MEPC is king

[@jtrazz4038]

What mags are u running on this PC ?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Just some lancer's. I love those. We did some cerakote testing to see if it works

[@jtrazz4038]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo dope, I just got the new tmag and compared to my lancers they feel cheap and not as good . I’ll stick with lancers for my trans mags

[@zacharyfett2491]

I think the top two/three carriers on the list are essentially splitting hairs. I’m glad they brought the V back as it’s really the secret sauce on the K-19. And where are you?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

haha then signs all say "Ops core".....what is that but yea most the top 1,2,3 is really just personal preference. Same with the belt list.

[@MrKingArthurhk]

I love my Sordins. However, Walkers will get the job done.

[@mghegotagun]

This vs crye spc?

[@alonzomartinez749]

Where are you right now as of 8:26 pst

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

home now.... but just got back from Ops core

[@dustwun3420]

Colors? AS Gray.

[@dukedynasty]

Agilite where are our 308 pouches

[@TheJoeml85]

Check out wilde 308 mag pouches

[@dukedynasty]

@ it’s pretty dope

[@kairondvs]

Aor1 would look hot

[@vktactical0905]

No doubt they’ll make a multicam black version

[@Terran0va_Plays]

There’s 0 chance they dont now release a scorpion plate carrier lol. Seeing as that’s their logo and it would compliment the sub-zero perfectly

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

How insanely awesome would that be haha I hope they see it and make the "scorpion" version

[@rawbait8919]

I assume the size is Large? I watched this twice and don’t remember hearing you say the size. But then again there’s a lot of big dudes that use mediums.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

uhhhhh Pretty sure it's a medium.

[@DanDannyDanielleBob]

Where side armor?

[@dorogundam]

Please tell agilite to bring back the plate strap on for the K zero

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

🤐

[@emersonchattin9512]

Thanks top!

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

o7

[@ahmadcampbell2626]

Easy 2nd... just need the fully kitted co$t

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I think the cost depends on what you want do though....what plates you want...how many mags....is it a team....do you want a radio? So while that is an easy question, it's an impossible answer.

[@Assafu77]

Biggest con is lack of molle room for hydration pack...

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

is it though? I see your point but I think in this configuration you'd be far more likely to have a more civilian style backpack. But Agilite are smarty pants...I'd bet you can hook in something they havn't even shown us yet.

[@SeahawkeyeGough]

Agilite Sub Zero VS Trex Arms AC0. Battle of the Zeros.

[@1DjScarface]

If you could pick one… K-zero or sub-zero?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

someone else asked this too. The Kzero is my favorite as I've been training more in that CQB/assaulter side so I gravitate towards that one. But in any sort of realistic capacity, the sub zero makes a billion times more sense from a practical perspective.

[@monkybeard]

If you watch the footage in Ukraine, a lot of grenades and drones are being used. What are your thoughts on plate carriers when it comes to dealing with fragmentation? I like plate carriers just like the next guy, but it really exposes your sides.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I think the Ukraine conflict is a different mission set that prepared citizen cells. The DM APOC is better suited there as it is a hybrid style of soft and hard armor. Meeting that need for fragmentation and hard armor protection

[@drkongo2139]

Coverage is the most important thing, and just covering the sides isn't really enough. A smart thing to do is add modules like the groin protector and neck protector. Neck protector needs to have no gaps with the front plate and not affect mobility. A good inexpensive option for the plate carrier would be the Warrior assault systems DCS. It's quite comfortable and the cummerbund is rigid due to the plastic insert (in comparison to the expensive Tegris gimmicks on the market). Plate carriers like the CPC/AVS would be best due to load-bearing capacity. Apart from that, there is little good on the US/Western market. Many Ukrainian and Russian plate carriers are superior and cheaper.

[@jordanpohl6856]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo now its hard to get in the US, but NFM garm under cloths are a great option for increased frag coverage without up layering your outer gear.

[@mattquist5696]

It’s a different tool for a different purpose. This is for the active shooter, civil unrest, quick response civilian/off-duty kind of setup. Not all out trench/near peer war. That would be better suited for the APOC, IOTV(or whatever the new one is) or other hybrids like those offered by velocity systems and countless other companies

[@monkybeard]

@@mattquist5696 Yeah I really liked my Point Blank OTV. Also live in CA so more than likely to encounter a pistol than a rifle. This kinda goes hand in hand with most shooting fatalities in the US are from a handgun than a rifle. Easier to go covert with soft armor as well. Maybe it is a different philosophy, but I subscribe to cover is better than any armor and would rather be quick to get to cover than hoping to face the shooter with a plate. Thanks for the discussion all!

[@Ondrej-dk5bd]

Is there any chance you will get your hands on Ukraine plate carrier (whole set) ideal? It will be rly nice to see it

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I don't know what that would entail and what their exact loadout and SOPs would be so probably not. I just don't have the knowledge to do that video correctly. Dirty civilian is bankrolled like no other hahaha they can probably do it.

[@Ondrej-dk5bd]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo its like wallking jugernout when its fully done 😅crazy work against shrapnels

[@zacharyfett2491]

See: IOTV

[@Pouncer_Fox]

Yeah, ever since I've tried QD cummerbunds, there's just no way I want to go back to the old velcro ways. Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@tokitokupe]

Ohhh no TAN/CB color on release :(

[@aquatixofficial7868]

Ferros is ten times better, Tegris, 1000d fabric, cobra quick release buckles, very customizable with after market compatible products.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

carbon fiber? it's called Tegris and it's actually been replaced by Curv because it doesn't break like Tegris does. so yes... Ferro has some cool stuff that people stopped using. It's a great great carrier for Instagram real use? not so much edit: it's 1000d cordura.... if you want to edit the post to be correct. But that's not actually anything different than what anyone else uses

[@davidbishop2659]

Royal purple 😂

[@nickratajczak6907]

Where are you?

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

It looks like Narnia out here to be honest....

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Helmets....optics....visors oh my!

[@mvangils410]

​​@@ThinLineDefenseCo 🤣🤣🤣

[@seadowg5515]

Frog skin camouflage.

[@Littlepickle-nr1hk]

Day 0 of asking you to make a Slickster video (I just want to see you rip on the $160 price tag)

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

haha I really should give it a solid run. People get so unbelievably mad if I dislike something though. It's the most baffling thing. They get MAAADDD. Let's do it haha

[@MrKingArthurhk]

Sub Zero: “Finish him!”-“Mortal Combat!🤣🤣

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

NOWWWWWW you get my teaser lol

[@TheGrizzLee87]

My first thought 2 😂

[@jb7483]

GET OVER HERE.....

[@Bdubs-ns7nn]

calling the qore performance videos heavily biased is definitely not cool. those are all tested the same way and they provide the empirical data from the tests.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

they do a test that they always win.... totally unbiased It would be like agilite doing a test of features only agilite has.... They don't do that though... because it would be silly

[@Bdubs-ns7nn]

@ThinLineDefenseCo it would be weird if they didn't show exactly how they test these things and where the results come from. But putting everything on equal footing and showing you the results is not what i would call biased. How else would you test these things? Besides wearing them for months and abusing them the whole time

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

It's not how it's tested.... it's what they're testing. It's like building a car with pontoons and testing how other cars do on water.... oh weird... they all do poorly but the test is stupid because you wouldn't want to drive on water in the first place... even if it's conducted correctly making specifically designed that you win..... is obnoxious

[@Bdubs-ns7nn]

@ThinLineDefenseCo i mean testing for weight and heat retention is pretty important when talking about gear and yes they made their product specifically with weight and heat transference in mind but their videos are more than just reviews. They're overviews showing how each carrier stacks up in those regards, and how to integrate their cooling infrastructure on popular brands regardless of whether you buy their ultralight carrier or not

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Sure but if I sold gum.... and told you how everyone else's gum stacked up would you believe me? I'd hope not

[@Whtknight6.7]

1st

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

You won today sir lol I don't know what you won exactly....but you won it!

[@kentchristen6048]

"walking around in a dress with weights in it . . . " I don't spend time walking around in a dress with or without weights.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

That whole joke was made just to get someone to make this comment haha ...yes you do

[@MetalActual]

The shill is hard 😂

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

The notion that liking an object, product, or concept automatically makes someone a "shill" is a misunderstanding of both individual preference and the nature of advocacy or promotion. Let’s dissect this idea comprehensively, addressing the difference between genuine preference and being a paid or coerced promoter. 1. Defining a "Shill" A "shill" is typically someone who promotes a product, service, or idea in a deceptive or disingenuous way, often for personal gain (like monetary compensation or benefits). The critical aspect here is the lack of transparency and sincerity-shills aim to manipulate others under the guise of impartiality. By contrast, genuine enthusiasm for something is rooted in personal taste, utility, or emotional resonance. 2. Personal Preference is Not Advocacy Humans are naturally inclined to like or dislike things based on their unique experiences, personalities, and needs. Enjoying or praising something doesn’t imply ulterior motives; it simply reflects one’s subjective perspective. For instance: Someone might adore a brand of headphones because of their sound quality and design. This isn’t a covert endorsement but rather an honest opinion shaped by use. Another might enjoy a film that others found lackluster. Their positive review stems from personal enjoyment, not because they were incentivized to boost ticket sales. Personal preference is a form of self-expression. It’s unfair to conflate it with manipulative promotion unless evidence of an ulterior motive is present. 3. Misinterpretation of Passion Sometimes, people mistake passion for advocacy. When someone enthusiastically praises a book, gadget, or fashion item, their intent is often to share joy or foster discussion. The level of passion can sometimes mimic what a marketing professional might exhibit in a sales pitch, but the origin is entirely different. Unlike a shill, whose objective is conversion (e.g., convincing others to purchase or believe something for external benefit), a passionate individual is driven by personal fulfillment. 4. Cultural Context and Hyperbole In online discourse, especially in spaces where skepticism and cynicism prevail, accusations of shilling can arise quickly. This is often because: Suspicion of marketing tactics: People are wary of how pervasive advertising has become, leading to knee-jerk reactions to positive opinions about products or services. Echo chambers: In communities that align strongly against certain products, companies, or ideologies, even neutral or mildly positive opinions can be met with hostility, being labeled as "shilling" to maintain groupthink. Projection of biases: Those accusing others of shilling might themselves assume that any praise must come from ulterior motives because of how they perceive the subject or their own experiences with marketing manipulation. 5. The Burden of Proof To label someone a shill is to accuse them of dishonesty and ulterior motives. Such accusations should be backed by evidence, such as: Financial ties to a company or organization being promoted. Undisclosed compensation for endorsements. Patterns of behavior that align more with professional promotion than genuine opinion (e.g., scripted responses, coordinated timing with marketing campaigns). Without evidence, claiming someone is a shill simply because they express positive feelings about something undermines constructive dialogue and unfairly maligns their character. 6. The Role of Nuance Liking an object or advocating for it also doesn’t mean someone is uncritical. People can simultaneously appreciate aspects of something while acknowledging its flaws. For example: A gamer might love a specific console despite recognizing its high cost. A car enthusiast might adore a particular model while admitting it isn’t the most environmentally friendly choice. This complexity further separates personal preference from promotional behavior. 7. Why Liking Something is Normal and Encouraged Liking objects-whether they’re products, works of art, or ideas-is central to how we connect with the world. It: Encourages diversity of thought and taste. Drives innovation and improvement by signaling to creators what resonates. Builds communities around shared interests. Stifling this enthusiasm by accusing others of being shills discourages genuine interaction and limits the richness of discourse. I also know you stopped reading at like 1 ....but it's still fun for me.

[@MetalActual]

@@ThinLineDefenseCo Blessed is the mind too small for doubt. 🤷‍♂️

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

Interesting take-sounds like a T-shirt for someone who confuses arrogance with enlightenment. I'd just stop watching man. Just unsubscribe. Life goes on.

[@Osmamabin_dyin]

If anything I'd say he's a simp but that's not even bad or uncommon in this "community". I prefer berry compliant company/gear because it's US made with US materials. That also comes with extra cost with some companies.

[@ThinLineDefenseCo]

I'm a gear simp.... loud and proud lol

[@AntoineWilliams7118]

I wish we had the IDF in america. We need someone to protect our borders, our schools, and our cities.

[@Jeffplsgo]

Uss liberty

[@SlickWilly-g5o]

Bruh it’s called cbp and your police forces