How Easy is an EV Road Trip?

[@LillyP-xs5qe]

I would like to think they shared a bed during the overnight stays and fell asleep while talking about heat pumps and home appliances

[@Ag89q43G0HyA]

heat pumping probably...

[@noahstockwell1408]

That's my Polestar at 6:42! We remember seeing the 5 this last weekend, had no idea two of my favorite creators were in it. Glad you guys stopped by Lafayette - Boiler Up!

[@agingwheels]

That's awesome!

[@eggbirdtherooster]

@@agingwheels Hey Robert.. Are you sort of agreeing that it’s all in theory nice and stuff but I heard when there’s a car next to you fast charging, your car charge way slower.. Let alone in the near future that so-called everybody’s driving electric…. 😄 Electric cars are NOT the future and the way forward imo. More like a Silicon Valley gimmick and more about shifting money. And how the hell are we gonna supply them all with electricity in the near future?? Windmills and solar fields?! 🤔 And after 10+ years its a total loss cause of the battery’s had its best time. Take Hoovies Tesla for example…And why does nobody mention the amount of dirty toxic mines in 3rd world country’s where all this lithium is mined with heavy on fossil fueled machinery, and in many cases involving childlabour and exploitation of the local people..?! And dont forget the producing and shipping of those battery’s with tons of Co2 emission! 🤨 All that so we in the west are so called; “green, durable, progressive, CO2 neutral, inclusive, diverse, jobcreating” or what ever totally raped frame and empty worded socialist utopian dream slogan they shove it in theys days… 🤨

[@AaronOfMpls]

@@eggbirdtherooster See my response in another thread.

[@jonc4403]

@@eggbirdtherooster Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

@@eggbirdtherooster Hah! I see you there! Lurking in the comments section waiting to say something profoundly stupid at just the right time.

[@maybach6536]

This is absolutely the collaboration we needed, even though we may not have known it. Thank you to both of these amazing channels for your awesome content!

[@Sithhy]

Not the first time they have done it

[@maybach6536]

@@Sithhy oh I know i just wasn’t expecting it AGAIN. That’s all.

[@tarstarkusz]

No it's silly. This ridiculous car is a Hyundai and starts at 50k Dollars. For a HYUNDAI! This fast charging is bad for it.

[@madjedi2235]

@@tarstarkusz with a 700v battery it’s probably not so bad. On top of that, they’re willing to warranty it for 8years/ 100k miles so they must be fairly confident.

[@tarstarkusz]

@@madjedi2235 Read the fine print. I guarantee you there are exceptions out the wazoo with one of them being the number of rapid charges.

[@vincechurchill3079]

As a member of the Electrify America team (and the guy that built the IN and Corvette Museum sites), couldn't be happier this trip went as well as it did for you guys. Keep up the great content

[@glenngore6609]

How about Electrify America putting some DC fast chargers in western Kansas, eastern Colorado, and the Texas panhandle, south of I-70 and north of I-40, east of I-25 and west of I-35? This part of the country is a giant no-go area for EV’s at the present time.

[@stephan24297]

To add on, the whole state of Vermont has no chargers

[@christinecharbonneau4448]

I did a road trip in my Audi e-Tron from Seattle, through Eastern Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Nevada, Arizona to visit a friend in Tucson, then back through Nevada, California, Oregon and Washington to get back home. Almost all charges on Electrify America. It was a blast and went very well. So pleased that this is possible now.

[@devinlinehan7048]

You missed the chance to comment on the giant sink hole next to the charger at the corvette museum. It was almost video shot. Legend has it that it opened so quickly that it swallowed several entire corvettes.

[@nc3826]

"The whole state of Vermont has no chargers".... How much do you want to bet?

[@shi5369]

its so nice to see a dad and his son out on the road.

[@ubertalldude]

The Aging Wheels / Technology Connections lore gets even deeper. I love both of your channels and love the crossovers.

[@dkjoses12]

These guys are amazing together

[@jfellow14]

They're literally driving a crossover....

[@ShinyPeeko]

Technology Wheels or Aging Connections?

[@AiOinc1]

Couldn't disagree more but different people like different things I suppose

[@fastinradfordable]

Like mokoosh and fastinradford On vwvortex ;p

[@jochenstacker7448]

This is my absolutely favourite collab of any time and any medium, I could watch you two guys all day, no matter the content, because both your channels are so very, very good. You two are my little oasis of sanity in a world that's gone batshit crazy.

[@xWood4000]

Try a road trip in the winter too, Alec talks a lot about the coldness in his videos in general. Different EVs seem to have some variance in how happy they are in winter

[@ThatSoddingGamer]

Yeah, I'm in Canada myself, and whilst a car purchase (if I ever make one in my life, I hate driving) is some years off, knowing how EVs perform in cold, snowy conditions is relevant to my situation.

[@jsonlee01]

Out of Spec Motoring channel has a video of a 1000 mile road trip from Chicago to Dallas in the Kia EV6 where the weather was really cold. And the route they took was not all on the major highways so they did have issues with sketchy chargers.

[@heribertosarmiento1265]

@@ThatSoddingGamer you should check then Bjørn Nyland his in a super cold country Norway and he had driven tons of EV’s .

[@maximebasket3566]

I always was wondering how it was possible, in my hometown temperature can reach -40 at winter But I always saw some brave guys diving their nissan leafs and other Japanese evs

[@davidnoyes3373]

I live in canada and while you do lose efficiency you still get 200 plus miles.

[@guyjclark]

Hey, Robert! Because of you (ok, and Alec) I just purchased my first new car in fifty years of driving! My 2015 (used) Chevy SparkEV was not capable of the driving range I now need, so I planned on a used Bolt EV. Of course, the prices have gone through the roof for the older EVs, making a used Bolt less attractive. Then I saw this video, and when you got to the 800V battery, I knew that faster charging was going to be part of that. I watched this video and Alec's video, and a couple of dozen other videos on the Ioniq-5, and I was sold. Wasn't easy finding a Limited AWD that wasn't grossly marked up in price by the dealer, but I finally stumbled upon one at a dealer with "only" $5K markup, and I jumped on it. I've had it for three weeks, and so far, it's great! Thanx for this video and all of you other ones, too. I really enjoy your style (and Alec's too, for that matter). Guy

[@__Andrew_]

well you know where the chevy mueum is now!

[@thomaspyrek9154]

Fun fact: Most Corvette owners don't drive their Corvettes to the NCM, so chargers there make sense. I'm a lifetime member of the Corvette museum and have a hand me down c4. Last year I went down from for the annual bash and thought that it was obvious that we had to drive the TrashC4n't. Most Corvettes were c7 or newer. Nearly everyone was shocked that I drove, not towed, a car from the 80s from NY to KY.

[@100PercentJake]

Got the opportunity to see one of these in person and, man, what a handsome vehicle. Glad to hear it stands up to some cross-country travel!

[@mmavcanuck]

How does it compare to something like say, a supercharger Buick?

[@Hotlog69]

It really is! Now that I see it has a matte finish. The body looks like it's made out of stainless steel!

[@nunocspinto]

Amazing content. Here in Europe, charging is a little bit on the expensive side, but the network is kinda strong around main cities and roads. With charging times like that, EV road trips will become a blast when the network become more solid!

[@ravenouself4181]

Depends on which parts of Europe through, Western Europe is pretty good - the rest is not. I am talking about the charging infrastructure.

[@bandvitromania9642]

@@ravenouself4181 yup we need more and more EV infrastructure in Eastern Europe

[@Huntracony]

Well, here in Europe gasoline is still a little bit on the expensive side too :D

[@stvlu7333]

Once the government starts to tax charging stations and get very greedy about it will be the same thing as if it was a gas-powered car.

[@karelsvoboda3344]

@@bandvitromania9642 Who will pay for the roads, that are damaged by very heavey EVs? Will we make electricity from Russian gas? Who will make new tyres that are damaged on EVs faster?

[@cameronjenkins6748]

There's something about the shape of that car combined with the wheels that reminds me very much of the Group B Lancia Delta S4. I like it.

[@Danse_Macabre_125]

Now that you brought that up, I can't unsee it

[@thebetatester800]

I was thinking Golf MkII but I see what you're saying!

[@Surestick88]

Not the Delta S4, no, but the Delta Integrale, yes.

[@bwofficial1776]

The Ioniq 5 is bigger than it looks. It's nearly the size of a Rav4. Hyundai did a fantastic job of scaling up the 80s hatchback design and keeping the proportions.

[@stanwbaker]

Both Lancia Delta and Hyundai Pony were designed by Giugiaro. Ionic 5 was designed with a nod to the Pony.

[@JohnDoe-bd5sz]

92 dollars for 328 KWh of electricity. The same amount of electricity from fast charger stations in my country would have been $229 with the current prices, and they have warned that the prices might go up for some reason. I love my EV, but if all i did was charge at public chargers, it would be more expensive per kilometer, than a new diesel

[@Araararauna7]

yep

[@mdmattingly1]

I just finished a 1500 mile road trip in the EV6, the sister vehicle to the Ioniq 5. No issues anywhere. I really enjoyed it.

[@sr.degeorge422]

How many stops did you make in that 1500?

[@mdmattingly1]

@@sr.degeorge422 I don't remember the quantity. I spent less than 4 hours total at chargers and almost no time waiting for the charge. Just normal pitstop stuff, like getting something to eat.

[@garydevones3677]

How long it took a month

[@pootispiker2866]

​@@garydevones3677Makes no sense

[@garydevones3677]

@@mdmattingly1 yea right

[@smizles]

8:52 I like how the editing was so careful to blur Alec's license plate, then completely gave up (even for still tripod shots) for the entire rest of the video...

[@Araararauna7]

lmao

[@lyinarbaeldeth2456]

Nice to see EVs becoming increasingly practical, between battery tech and growth of charging infrastructure. Now if only the price would drop to a range I can afford...

[@kliajesal4592]

Tesla is planning a *relatively* inexpensive model that should only be about $20k. Here's hoping other manufacturers get on board with that level of competition.

[@SilverStarHeggisist]

@@kliajesal4592 I think the real issue isn't the first hand price. But the price of replacing the battery to someone buying a 20 year old car for a thousand dollars. While a gas car if well maintained can have the engine and transmission last a lifetime, a battery will not, and for someone in the market for a thousand dollar used car, getting a $20,000 or even a $10,000 repair bill to replace the battery is not something that they can deal with. This will cause way more waste as cars that other then the battery mechanically are sound ending up in the junk yard. For the record, because I've customers in that income bracket, me telling them they need a $2000 engine in their gas car is often enough to see them junk the car rather then fix it. Also Tesla's idea of making the battery into the chassis is a bad idea, because it basically means that when the battery dies, you need to buy a new car.

[@Cemi_Mhikku]

@@SilverStarHeggisist The integrated battery is Apple/Deere levels of anti-consumerism.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

They can be affordable, but it depends on what kind if car and condition you are okay with. I am browsing nearby salvage lots for EVs that should be too tough to repair.

[@Cemi_Mhikku]

@@alexanderrobins7497 The main issue is like with any used car, if you don't have the skills to do the work yourself the maintenance needed is a bar to them being actually as affordable as they seem much of the time. That's not so much a fault of the vehicles themselves as it is how certain generations have eschewed learning such things until they were too old to do it, and then whine at younger generations about 'not doing things ourselves' as though they weren't worse.

[@wyattarich]

I honestly was so taken aback by this collab, but I'm here for it and I love it. MORE PLEASE!!

[@JakobKsGarage]

Thumbnail looked like one of my usual EV channel subscriptions, but then it was a collaboration between two of my favourite youtubers! What a nice surprise.

[@julianruggiero9701]

This is absolutely awesome to see. I had a 2013 Nissan Leaf with a measly 24 kWh battery, and supposed 50 kW DC fast charging, that was more like 38 kW charging in reality. It was a REALLY hard car to do anything with outside of just driving to work and back, then plugging it in overnight. It left quite a sour taste in my mouth regarding EVs. I'm slowly realizing that was just the price I paid for being a very early adopter, and now, 10 years later, EVs and the insane 350 kWh charging infrastructure are getting to the point where I might actually think about trying an EV again. I'll probably wait for the solid state battery EVs to hit the market in the second half of this decade, but seeing your road trip experience today brings me a lot of hope for the future. Thank you guys!

[@TheTheRay]

Gas prices are only going to rise in the future. EVs are becoming more attractive by the year.

[@nc3826]

NIO Announces 150 kWh Solid-State Batteries.... Plus battery swapping.... just need them to start selling them in the USA

[@ravik694]

I can confirm that charging for me in the US is basically a non-issue. I've had a Model 3 since 2018, I've put over 100,000 km on it, and I've traveled between Illinois, Florida, Arizona, and California, more than once. The Tesla superchargers are the gold standard, user experience wise, and I'm glad to see that other branded stations are continuing to grow and improve. Interoperability between the different Tesla/non-Tesla stations are what I'm really hoping for in the near future!

[@_zigger_]

high on that copium eh?

[@mussdem]

It's nice to see other manufacturers finally making EVs after Tesla showed them that people want them. Hopefully there will be more sedan options in the model 3 price range in NA soon. Right now the model 3 is all there is in that segment. Well all there is worth getting compared to the SUV selection.

[@austin3171]

The biggest issue I have with going full electric too soon is charging at home. I live in a townhouse development, and we don't have anywhere to install a 240v charger, and we are not allowed to have extension cords running from the house to any vehicles or we'll get fined by the HOA (or the neighborhood kids unplug and generally fuck with your shit, which is arguably worse). I know we can charge elsewhere, but a big push with EVs is "charge at home!" and... many people just can't. I *want* this tech to succeed, but damn it's hard for a lot of peeps to grab on to.

[@mussdem]

@@austin3171 Condos would be worse, it's a bitch to own an EV in the city. I wish NA countries would start mandating that EV charging infrastructure should be run to all the parking spots for a condo. Or have more street charging stations.

[@cybertrk]

@@austin3171 you need to attend the meetings and ask how they plan to solve this problem since people ARE moving to electric cars.

[@IndyJay53]

I have made almost this exact trip multiple times, so it was nice that I could imagine the distances you were covering. Also great to know I can still do it when I get an EV!

[@jay5729]

We've roadtripped our Ioniq 5 a couple of times now, and it has been super simple on the electrify America 350 stations.

[@rayschrab6509]

Just saw this post, but it's nice to see someone report that they made a road trip in an ev with virtually no problem. It's true that too many fast chargers are broken, but there are usually options that work, at least at EA. Some KZbinrs are running around with their hair on fire, reporting the charging network is just a total mess. If they have to unplug and move one slot over, they treat that like it's the end of the universe. I think they're more interested in creating click bait than reasonable reporting.

[@Rodarch]

this was 2 years ago, and its the best video I've seen all year

[@gmctech]

While pure electric rechargeable EV's in my mind are just bridge technology till the infrastructure has been beefed up for hydrogen fuel cell electric vehicles, I'm rather impressed here. Up here in Canuckistan EV's work but they still aren't up to snuff when you're creeping along at night in -20 degree Celsius temperatures in a raging snow storm with heater blasting, rear defrost on, heater seats on, wipers on hazard flashers on and very hilly terrain. Then if there's a MVA, you could be sitting on the highway in the middle of nowhere in these conditions for hours gobbling up precious watts of go-to juice... But like I said, for what this car is, I am impressed with this car's abilities.... Great video and thanks for posting it for us to watch! 😎

[@DraconianEmpath]

Opinion! I think it's likely batteries will improve to better handle really cold conditions, and more capacity to handle peripherals (heat, AC, etc)... but yeah, getting stuck in -20C would be problematic. maybe fuel cell architecture will work better in less friendly climates. so long as it wasn't produced using steam reformation, I don't really care. :)

[@FreeManFreeThought]

To be fair, -20 isn't great on gas mileage either XD

[@poochie5543]

@@DraconianEmpath idk how much better batteries can get, laws of thermodynamics comes first.

[@gmctech]

@ Pat Meyer And yet my 5 cylinder VW STILL gets 31MPG on the highway @ -20C traveling at 65MPH Fancy that eh?

[@gmctech]

@jpgo500 Hmmmm a wish is a wish, yet batery technology hasn't realy advanced as much as promised as much as was promised a decade ago....

[@JustAnotherHo]

I took one on a test drive for about 30 miles, it was shockingly good. Lane keeping worked fairly well as well as the start stop cruise control.

[@accountnumber90]

I can't say enough about how much I love the way this thing looks.

[@20motu08]

Love that you blurred the license plate in one shot and it's completely in frame at the end 😄

[@LichaelMewis]

I have this same car in Atlas White and can cooborate this. It's an amazing car. No more brake changes, oil changes, transmission maintenance, gas stations, etc. Also the charging speed is awesome. I was able to hit 242KW on a session peak before.

[@LichaelMewis]

@@a1c3c3u yes but if you drive in high regen mode or what they call iPedal very rarely ever use the brakes. The regen of the motor causes sufficient stopping power in 95% of the driving scenarios.

[@TomLentz]

What an epic team up you guys make! Best EV road trip is to review the recent "checkins" on ABRP to verify the charger you will need works.

[@smashoklw]

Great video from two of my favorite youtubers. I own a Chevy Bolt EV and Spark EV and they work for me. Do I lust for the Ioniq's charging speed? You better believe it. The surprise to me was that you had no problems with EA chargers, hopefully they are getting their act together. Electric cars are the future, and the future is getting better every year.

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

You guys have fun together, and it shows. Great road trip episode!

[@coisnotpog]

From selling Hyundai's for the past 4 years, i can tell the time is here. We went from not being able to talk people into the old Ioniq EV, to doing OK with the Kona EV, and now we literally cannot keep the Ioniq 5s on the lot. I have personally sold more Ioniq 5s than we have had Ioniq and Kona EV in the last 4 years. It has me super excited for the Ioniq 6 and 7 that are coming soon. My and my Fiancé actually lived with the old Ioniq EV. Not the new numbered model, but the one you could also get as a hybrid. It has 126 miles of range, and we never had a issue....3 years ago. Literally half the range of the new one 5 AWD model. The people that are scared of theses newer EVs are just scared of change. The wave is coming fast, and the technology almost just as fast. Once i can get an F150, or Ram 1500 EV (if they would actually show it off) with similar charging speed to the Ioniq 5 (and not 20,000+ over MSRP like the F150s are already going for), i will be full bore into EVs again. 50,000k MSRP, 250 miles of range, and a 6 foot bed. That is literally all I require.

[@deadadam666]

im glad you are helping out small channels like Technology connections

[@nnnomenclature]

Two of my favorite KZbin channels doing an excellent and interesting collab! You both have such a calm but goofy but smart energy and it just works

[@williamreynolds6132]

Love both of your channels, glad to see you together again. I’ve been shopping for the ioniq 5 or ev6 for a while but the dealerships in my area(Denver) are overcharging by about $7,000 over msrp right now and that’s just insane.

[@eesta27]

If you're willing to pay ~$1200-$1500 for shipping, try looking at dealers closer to the east coast. I've found that the southwest and midwest have low inventory and high markups, but the selection is better in areas like New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania. I got several offers at MSRP, no add-ons required, and only ~$500-$700 dealer fees. I personally got one that way. You might need to wait a few weeks, but it's much better than the 6-8 month waitlist.

[@zachnilsson4682]

Having recently driven from Colorado to Boston in my Polestar 2 I can confirm that my trip was pretty similar except with slower charging

[@meandmyEV]

I did my first EV 1800 round trip road trip in my Bolt EUV last week. Aside from taking significantly longer to charge because the Bolt maxes out at a measly 55kw, I had a similar experience in terms of charger reliability. I planned the route and picked chargers with PlugShare scores of 9 or 10 and everything went perfectly. A Better Route planner nailed the range estimates, even in the mountains. I had an ODB2 device that connected to ABRP and it worked perfectly. I highly recommend getting one of those on Amazon for $30 before taking an EV road trip.

[@activecarwashsupplies9320]

I road trip to Italy ( Tuscany) often. The distance is just over 1100 miles. In my Merc E class 3 litre diesel estate I top up the tank in Kent whilst in the UK and then my next fuel stop is in Italy. I travel in the cool of the night, miss all the traffic, at whatever ( or just a tad above) the maximum speed is on the motorway/ peage/ autobahn and by the time dawn breaks I'm watching the sunrise over Mont Blanc. So thats two stops in total to get to my destination. I asked the Tesla road planning tool to plan me the same route. Their plan had me stopping 14 times. 14. No-one needs a toilet stop or drink stop or food stop that often and given the speed saps the battery levels I'd probably need further additional stops if I try to match my ice car high average speed. 14 stops would also add almost a full day of travel which would also require an overnight stay. ICE cars are fantastic around town but for a real road trip, they just don't have the range, particularly at speed.

[@VitalVampyr]

I believe Tesla's trip planner defaults to minimizing time spent charging (batteries charge more quickly at lower state of charge) and you can change it to minimize number of stops.

[@logitech4873]

With a Tesla model 3, that's realistically 4-5 stops.

[@RichardLangis]

I've been looking at the Ioniq 5, and this gladdens me greatly. Subscribed to you both and enjoy every second of content.

[@SimpleElectronics]

Hey thanks for making this video! I have students EVERY semester that are doubtful that EVs will even work at all - I will be showing them this video! The future looks brighter all the time!

[@BudMasta]

Do tell them about how the winter will zap their batteries every morning and be completely useless in large parts of the US, also leading to premature battery life resulting in atleast a 10k bill.

[@SimpleElectronics]

@@BudMasta winter does lower capacity bit not as much as you think - as well as for most people, electric cars have like enough range to do their average week's driving on a single charge. And that's TODAY - it will get better in the near future

[@BudMasta]

@@SimpleElectronics If you buy a car today, you still have todays technology when the time comes to get rid of the todays battery. It might work, it shouldnt be something a student should get or fresh out of school adult should get.

[@SimpleElectronics]

@@BudMasta alright dude, whatever you say.

[@BudMasta]

@@SimpleElectronics "hey guysngals with student loans, add a multi-year car payment on top of that, youre in school, you can afford that right?" alright dude, whatever you say.

[@ienjoy8008s]

This was awesome, I wish that more auto makers offered AWD options, I’d be interested if you guys would be willing to do a cold weather cross country trek to see performance differences

[@questioner1596]

I believe most EVs at that price or higher have an AWD option, like the Ford Mach-E, Ford F-150 Lightning, Tesla Model 3, Toyota B-some-other-characters-I-forget, Jeep Wrangler, Toyota Rav4 Prime, and others that don't come to mind right away.

[@MaritaCov]

I'm two months into my awd mach-e and I love it.

[@EllieODaire]

The only thing holding me back from more EV road trips is the massive gap in the EA network that is eastern Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska, and the Dakotas, but they're working on it. Slowly.

[@thenetworkarchitectchannel]

Ionic 5 is a beast. Doing a road trip in one where you only stop at EA chargers means you don't have time to eat a burger b4 the charge is done. We own a Tesla Model 3 and really nothing beats the domestic super charger network for road trips and also how Tesla's precondition batteries to pull max juice for short charging stops, but the Ionic 5 with EA chargers is a close second. Thx for the vid.

[@coredumperror]

I think you guys just sold an Ioniq 5. I've been meaning to test-drive one, after having been behind the wheel of an EV6 (I didn't particularly like it). But the Ioniq 5 works on the same EV platform, and as you showed, it has the equivalent of Tesla's "Summon", which is a feature I use daily to park my car. The one thing I'm concerned about is how well the driver assist works on the highway. You mentioned it briefly in the video, but could you elaborate on how well it worked for you, please? I use Autopilot in my Model 3 every single day, and if Hyundai's equivalent isn't as good at AP on the highway, I don't think I can justify trading in my Model 3.

[@TechnologyConnections]

So, fair critique of the summon feature is that it only moves the car forward and backward, and it's _very_ fiddly. Generally it requires an almost perfectly flat surface, and engaging it is a process. It could perhaps be useful at times, but it's definitely limited compared to Tesla. Hyundai's HDA2, though, is _excellent_ and I've been loving it. I haven't driven a Tesla so I don't have personal experience with AP, but I've read/seen in a few places that HDA2 is at least as good if not better than AP. I've never experienced phantom braking, and the lane centering is very good. Handles curves just fine. The automatic lane change is... slow and it takes some finesse to master how to not make the car think you're overriding it. But outside of that and occasional hesitation to speed up once you're in an open lane, it's an overall excellent assistance suite.

[@the2323guy]

A DankPods meet up would also be awesome!

[@joshuagies4900]

So excited seeing the two of you together! Love the collab!

[@bwofficial1776]

Robert also fixed Alec's Nissan Figaro when he got it a few years ago.

[@cadman10000]

We have been doing road trips in EVs for many years now with no issues. I love video like this that prove the point.

[@qers]

Hell yes. So many people I've spoken too think the stops are way too long, but on my road trips usually stopping for gas also meant getting coffee and food, adding up to just as long as a charging stop.

[@LongPeter]

When I was a kid, we had LPG installed on our V8 Land Rover County. For the most part it just meant much cheaper fuel. In the early days though we did definitely plan road trips around where LPG was available. On one trip to the Riverland in SA, the Land Rover logo blew out of the rusting OEM muffler. It sounded absolutely phenomenal for the rest of the trip.

[@dquad]

Running a car on LPG here in New Zealand is cheaper than an electric car with fast charging

[@LongPeter]

@@dquad LPG is getting more expensive here now and many servos are no longer stocking it. Apparently it is because the taxis all switched to hybrid so demand has fallen off. I never consider fast chargers in electric car ownership costs. Mind you, I live in Adelaide where we have about the same solar access as the Parker Solar Probe.

[@murdoch9106]

Dream car, its so cool! The little Honda is awesome too but the range is a bit low, but what a great city car... the Honda that is... And new batteries coming up will not have the fire issues or cold / Heat issues it seems and be cheaper and more capacity so I'm excited for the EV future despite all the haters.

[@thomasfrederiksendk]

As a Honda e owner: it’s not actually bad for short European distance road trips. It’ll do 100 km of 100 km/h driving between 80% and 20% if the weather is decent. It rules the city, though. Most fun I’ve had driving in the city ever.

[@MitsubishiGTO]

The Honda E is amazing!

[@HainjeDAF]

I love it when you two collaborate.... This is the Trabant all over again. Keep up the good work!

[@DSR216]

Don't forget the Figaro!

[@HainjeDAF]

@@DSR216 but that was colab, but not those 2 in 1 vehicle 🤣🤣🤣

[@themaritimegirl]

When we needed it most, the bromantic couple came back for us.

[@Theroyleson]

This dudes video layout and just general coolness just is amazing.

[@Rmx2011]

Wow, didn't expect an electric car to take charge that fast, good for the Ioniq 5. Good video too, interesting to see how the experience really was even when I live on the otherside of the world.

[@DisintegrationZerfall]

I had pretty much the same experience here in Germany with a Tesla on a 800 km Roadtrip. No problems what so ever. That was one of the smoothest journeys I´ve ever made with a car. EV is not the future, its the present!

[@xWood4000]

*the present for higher middle class income families in warm areas. Still really cool and exciting but for it to actually have a significant impact on global CO2 it needs to be much cheaper. Used EVs need to get better too

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@xWood4000 You can not have a big used EV market if you don't have a big new EV market a decade earlier. EVs will get more affordable, we just have to wait a bit.

[@nickloh912]

Yay, more AW/TC collabs!

[@scott8919]

The Ioniq 5 is now my current dream car.

[@makaylaserniotti1474]

Not only is this an amazing collab, the eco flow ad is actually something I could use for a camping trip. 👀

[@evolv.e]

I have two EcoFlows - The Delta series are fantastic.

[@tjnucnuc]

I love the Ioniq 5. It really drives like a little sports car/suv especially with its rear bias. It’s extremely fun when you turn off traction control. Full AWD drifts! While it is fun we are several years away from mass EV adoption.

[@BioniqBob]

Norway EV sales are over 80% now.

[@erebostd]

Great video! My EV doesn’t charge as fast, so this road-trip would have been a bit longer for me, but the convenience of driving elevator would have been worth it for me. Even better if your car charges so fast 😁👍

[@fastinradfordable]

I hate ev Still impressed

[@erebostd]

@@fastinradfordable ok?

[@pootispiker2866]

​@@fastinradfordableYou have no opinion

[@Running-with-skizers]

Next trip you should use an equivalent gas powered car to weigh out the differences Alongside the EV

[@timothymclean]

I think most people watching this video have a pretty good idea how road trips work. Sure, the sedan you use changes the numbers a bit, but not by much. It's rare to see a pure gas-powered sedan with less than 25 or more than 35 miles per gallon, barring malfunction.

[@michigandon]

Who was it that did a video of a road trip using a Tesla, an Audi E-Tron and a gas car?

[@briancaster2876]

@@michigandon Wasn't that MKBHD?

[@SilverScarletSpider]

i heard some reviews had a high pitched sound in the cabin of hyundai's at high way speeds. glad to hear that wasnt the case here

[@Yugophoto]

This is the duo that no one asked for but everyone is ecstatic is happening

[@pongusikya]

If I was in the market for a car, this video makes me feel that getting an EV would be no problem. Great video. Thanks! :D

[@SimpleCarGuy]

One thing I have learned with my i3 project is that going the speed limit or the speed everyone else is going uses almost twice as much battery as going 55-65, which is unrealistic

[@swecreations]

Yep, going between 20-45mph is the most efficient, and going above 60-70mph does tank your range from my own experience.

[@zambitiber1394]

@@swecreations No road trips for me then, it'll take forever getting anywhere at 45.

[@jimurrata6785]

Aerodynamic drag goes up in square to velocity. Nobody needed a car project to figure out basic fluid dynamics.

[@swecreations]

@@zambitiber1394 What? Just go 70mph lol, it's not like it cuts your range in half, more like 20%, which honestly isn't much.

[@lilycoffee112]

Wonderful video! Despite me hoping to get a used Chevy Bolt for my main car, this was still a hugely informative video!

[@Omapk]

When I took my buddy's electric car out on a trip tbh fast charging wait times were less than the line at the bathroom in the sheetz so we actually saved time. Didn't need to stand near the pump while fueling and THEN piss.

[@jenkinseric2]

Two of my favourite youtubers. It is making my head hurt. I just watched a video of a long haired guy explaining colour photography and now a short haired guy driving an EV. A tough trip driving through all the sarcasm and irony. Great video. thank you from Victoria BC Canada

[@rpavlik1]

I'm just liking in advance, since I know it's gonna be good. Based on the experience of the Figaro videos, I know you two have a weird separated-at-birth vibe, and I'm totally here for it. Quite pleased to see this road trip was actually quite possible. Guess I'll have to figure out DC fast charging when I eventually EV swap my Saturn.

[@Rockport1911]

4:55 Its nice that they offer a credit card reader on every charger. Here in germany the charging network is complicated for non- Tesla EV´s because you need multiple charging cards for all regions. Building in credit card readers is expensive. But getting " EV fuel" should be as easy as in a gas car... Iam doing alot of long distance driving in germany, but it seems like that EV chargers on hotels and other places are just not catching up. The chraging network along the Autobahn is pretty good tho. For now iam glad I still drive a Passat TDI with 1000km of range :)

[@orangejjay]

Building in credit card readers shouldn't be that hard or expensive. We can get cheap readers that plug into our phones and allow people and businesses to accept cards ANYWHERE. Nor having them on charging stations (when they have them on normal gas pumps) sounds lime a deliberate move to make charging stations more difficult.

[@herscher1297]

@@orangejjay as far as i know these kind of readers are relativly new but ive seen them more and more around here (in germany)

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@orangejjay You are missing something. The actual Hardware is not the issue, the transaction fees from the credit card companies are the reason they are reluctant to put card terminals on the charger. I am from Germany and here credit cards are refused at many places, not because the stores can't afford the reader, they don't want to give away a piece of the revenue cake.

[@DeanDoom]

@@tzarcoal1018 I'm sure Most people would be willing to have the fee of 0.5% included in the price for convenience sake.

[@tzarcoal1018]

@@DeanDoom American Express is much more than 0.5%! To directly charge the customer would be an option, therefor their margins are not reduced, and the customer can chose to opt in for convenience or not. I mean realistically most EV Drivers that have their car for a while do know what charging networks they are out there and what payment options they have. It is only the people that have a new vehicle that are confused at first.

[@dav1dsm1th]

Interesting video, as always. It would have been interesting to hear what the fuel cost for a comparable ICE vehicle doing the same trip would have been.

[@jimurrata6785]

Robert says in the beginning that it was a 1,200 mile road trip. 600 miles for ~$90 is $0.06.6 a mile. Gas is about $4 gallon and say your comparable SUV gets 25mpg highway. You're looking at $96 in fuel. But _much_ less maintenance: No oil change every 5k, no air, fuel or oil filters, brakes last much longer because of regen, no exhaust system, no fuel system or pump and a very different cooling system because electric motors are _FAR_ more efficient than an ICE.

[@dav1dsm1th]

@@jimurrata6785 1,200 / 25 = 48 (gallons) 48 x $4 = $192 (not $96) You may need to change the batteries in your calculator. My point was that the information would be useful (and timely) if it was in the video.

[@jimurrata6785]

@@dav1dsm1th I was thinking they were in Florida (600 mi) when recapping the trip. Seems a lot of leaves on the trees for Chicago??? But I'm okay with being wrong, my math wasn't.

[@coredumperror]

@@jimurrata6785 Chicago is 1200 miles from central Florida, not 600. So if they'd had to spend any money on that charging, it would have been about half as much as the gas would have cost. Also note that they were getting *especially* bad efficiency due to that headwind. They mentioned at one point that they were getting 1.3 miles per kWh. Compared to my Model 3, which gets almost *4* miles per kWh, that's *really* inefficient. The Ioniq 5 is known to be a major electron-guzzler.

[@jimurrata6785]

@@coredumperror Well I'm definitely far off base then. So your Model 3 could do this trip using 40% of the electrons Alec's car did? I can see that if I finally get an electric car I'm never going to stop driving. 😁

[@alexanderdeburdegala4609]

I love Technological Connections, and Alex I am so happy you got an Ionic5 instead of an awful Tesla

[@sage5296]

Somehow I stumbled onto this channel a few weeks ago, (being an avid fan of Technology Connections) completely unrelated to this collab! What a joy to see! something something magic of the youtube algorithm I think

[@maxj9204]

I've been watching chargers pop up in more and more rural/remote areas of BC. Can't believe how fast it's happening, road trips across the province are already a possibility.

[@SummitCoyote]

There are still none within 30 minutes of me.

[@KlueBat]

Great video guys! I have my own EV coming soon, so this kinda thing is pretty reassuring. Also, I need to order one of those J1772 shirts to wear on delivery day :D

[@inexplah]

I want to see what trips like this are like during cold weather.

[@timothymclean]

More stops to charge, less goofing around outside when stopped. Sounds like these factors would cancel out if you're travelling with these two!

[@mickles1975]

That car reminds me how much I like the Lancia Delta

[@Huntracony]

I should get my first EV (Dacia Spring) on Monday and I'm really excited! It's not exactly a road trip car, advertised range of 230km (~140mi) and 'fast' charging at 30kw, but that's good enough for me! And it's the only electric option in my price range.

[@FruityLoopyd]

Congrats! The spring is a great car for the money. In my eyes, it has only one major flaw. The fast 30kw charger is more like 5 to 10kw in the winter.

[@Huntracony]

@@FruityLoopyd Good to know, thanks!

[@jmurray01]

Certainly the most promising EV experience I've seen so far! Still has a long way to go before I'd buy one though, as living in a rural area and planning a journey around charging stations is just not convenient for me. Don't get me wrong, once charging stations are as quick and prolific as fuel stations I'd have no problem making the switch, but time will tell how long that takes to get in place.

[@Joe-sn6ir]

yes. lets add a whole bunch of quick charging stations to an already maxed out distribution system. that is fucking brilliant. O.o

[@jmurray01]

@@Joe-sn6ir Thanks for stating the obvious bud. Nowhere did I say the electricity grid wouldn't need major upgrades as part of that process, rather I thought that was pretty obvious and didn't require stating in an informal KZbin comment. But you've brought it to our attention so I am forever indebted to you, thank you so much.

[@felipepubillones2768]

I already had a feeling that the situation is improving. My thing is still charge times. Doing overnight, don't care. On the road? do care. Having done 2+ hours of nothing but charging for me highlights how far EV still needs to go to fully replace combustion engines. I am a fan of EVs, want one in near future once my pocket allows, but for long haul drives? I'll still prefer gas since it's fill and go. Also seeing how long lines are getting at gas stations, can you imagine the electric future where gas no longer exists? Everyone needing 20 minutes give or take? Oof. My other still partial deal breaker is...you had to plan it out using a particular service that would line you up with chargers. It's still not just take ANY highway and you'll be fine. Still need to stop in particular areas that have EV chargers. Until EVERY typical rest stop type area on our highways include EV charging, the full conversion will not actually occur. In short 2 things still hinder EVs from becoming full on combustion engine replacements: 1. charge times are still longer than simply filling a tank. (personally, targeting 10 minutes max would be ideal. I know heating and all that...I'm just saying future should address it) 2. Charging locations need to be as ubiquitous as gas stations. I'm optimistic both will occur eventually. Until then, gas will reign supreme for vehicular transport.

[@stevethepocket]

Honestly, the rest-stop thing is a much smarter solution than continuing to beef up the charge times. People who are on a trip already stop multiple times a day for between fifteen minutes and a half hour because they need to eat and use the restroom. The problem right now is that there's not a 1:1 correlation between where they plan to do those things and where the charging ports are. If we could fix that, the problem would be over. The first step would be getting level-2 charging ports into every hotel's parking lot. It only needs to be level-2 because people are going to be staying all night, and the low power draw combined with the tendency to be used during off-peak hours would make it easy to install and operate them without those huge substation boxes we saw in the video. They don't even need any built-in interface or credit card reader, just a data line going to the inside to tell the clerk who's plugged in and how much power they're drawing, and a switch to remotely activate and deactivate it. Then how it would work is that you'd plug in, memorize your port's number, and tell the clerk "I'm plugged in at port X" and they handle the rest. Either they add it as a surcharge to your bill or it might even be a free perk, depending on how nice a hotel it is. Step two is rolling out fast-charging at restaurants and rest stops. The restaurants, again, would be able to use a data line with remote activation because you're already going in there to eat, so they can add it to your bill (or, again, it could be free with purchase of a big enough order; I don't know what the net cost of charging an EV is in the US). The cost and difficulty of installing fast-charging stations would be considerably higher than level 2, so this might be the hardest step. Rest stops are run by state DOTs (even the ones on the interstate), so it would be a matter of pressuring state governments to roll them out as part of a green initiative. Which should be easy for blue states and damn near impossible for red ones. These ports _would_ need some form of payment processing UI, but installation would be a lot less of hassle than at restaurants since everything's outside. Most people don't stay at rest stops for very long, but if the distance between meal stops is a bit too long for their car's range, five minutes' worth of extra charging could be enough to cover the gap. Plus, there are people who forego restaurants and pack their own meals to eat at the picnic tables, so this would cover their needs as well. Anything else I forgot? If we could roll out all three of these things, I feel like we could bypass the need to replace gas stations with similarly dedicated charging stations entirely, and we might one day look back on the very idea as laughable.

[@bartismoellis1052]

One problem you didn’t experience is shorting range with use of things like climate control use headlight use the functions can significantly effect range the channel Car wow did a test of these exact usage and it was eye opening.

[@terpy01]

I'm not an EV fan just yet, for many reasons, but I agree with you here. I used to routinely drive a 1,400 mile round trip road trip in my Chevy Silverado, not exactly hugely fuel efficient. Admittedly, this was before gas prices sky rocketed & I was alone, so I didn't have anyone nagging me to pull over constantly, but one way, I filled up the night before I left & once half way through the trip. it was less than $100 in gas & maybe I added 15 minutes to the trip with the one gas stop mid way, but that's far from tacking on an extra 2 hours to an already 10 hour drive. Seems the price was comparable to their trip as well, given previous gas prices. For now, I'll take the one 15 minute stop over multiple 15 minute stops totaling 2+ hours.

[@felipepubillones2768]

@@stevethepocket two major problems with your ideas. 1) you assume all businesses are equal. The giant chain company may be willing to invest. The small mom and pop might not be able to. Also it isn't up to the individual business, it's up to the landlord. They might see a need to redo their lease at a HIGHER rate to cover the now commandeered parking spaces as part of their rent. On top of that, all the costs of installation. Giant hotel might own their property. All the other businesses lease. 2) DoT didn't control all the rest stops. Interstates are public highways, so those yes. Turnpikes and several others smaller highways are privately controlled by a pseudo-government agency. These require private investment. The Florida turnpike has actually added EV chargers already. Interstates would require a private company to come in and do all the leg work. Government is not allowed to own any businesses, therefore no they cannot just build the chargers. They'll have to put a bid on contracts and that's it's own mess. Also, don't know about you, but I don't do multiple stops. I recently moved and only stopped twice in a 15 hour trip. Both were at 1/4 tank left. Total refill time roughly 30 minutes with one stop including eating. Not everyone stops and dilly dallies around every few rest points. A 2 hour addition to a long trip is not going to sit well with many.

[@natehill8069]

I seriously wanted an I5, but to get it from a ~"no markup" dealer, they were estimating 3 years wait. So I got a Bolt. And saved 1/2, which I try to focus on while charging.

[@ShotgunAFlyboy]

10:57 I love summon so much. So glad that feature is spreading across the car industry!

[@proudvirginian]

I'm at the point in the video wherein you say, "an EV road trip is a non-issue". As an EV owner (ID4) I can say without issue, that it is indeed, a non-issue. I road trip the snot out of my car and will not go back to gas life.

[@atrifle8364]

Why? Do you like spending hours looking at your car when you could be traveling? It takes 5-10 minutes tops to gas up a car.

[@ArthurRoy13]

On the one hand, this seems to be an honest appraisal of a long distance EV trip. On the other hand, $44,000 is rather expensive for a lot of people. I'll just have to stick with refined hydrocarbon fuel.

[@tangentfox4677]

Get a cheap hybrid. I did the math recently on my '08 Civic Hybrid vs a Tesla. Even if I could've gotten a Tesla and used it the same, it would cost a few thousand dollars more at this point. Obviously that comparison doesn't directly apply to this car, but it at least hints at the differences in time scale. Edit: Of course, it also depends how much you drive it. Do your research as much as possible, consider all factors.

[@maxj9204]

Same. But 44k is down a *LOT* from where EVs were even a couple of years ago and they're only getting cheaper.

[@JohnEwan]

While I'm happy to see your journey went pretty smoothly, given the overall tone of both of your channels, I would be more interested in how such a journey would go 10 years from now. In the same car. Both of you regularly showcase old but innovative tech. EVs are new and innovative, but they won't be new forever. Most of your viewers can't afford (or lately, even GET) new EVs. The first round of EVs consumers could buy are now aging wheels being sold on the used market. Alec owns/owned a Bolt and a Volt. Would they make this same trip? There was a hell of a lot of top-notch engineering that went into CED video discs. Look where that went. You two are uniquely well qualified to address the future of EVs and I'm more interested in what you see there than what you see in the present.

[@mlindholm]

A Volt, clearly. Just pull into gas stations if you feel like keep driving, and top off the battery on overnight stops to reduce fuel consumption.

[@Nighthawk20000]

Charge ups are way more expensive than I thought they would be. 25 bucks to fill up the "tank"? I know that's still way better than gas but still that's wild

[@steam212]

I picked up a hated cars book the other day and I would LOVE to send it to you. I think you would get a kick out of it. The way they describe the cars remind me so much of your sense of humor.

[@paulterhaar4862]

LOL, my 25 year old BMW E39 has a range of over 1,300 Miles 😛 It runs on regular gas and LPG 😎

[@Happymali10]

11:00 EVs often have problems with brakes rusting/seizing especially in the rear, because with the motors doing the braking and most EVs lacking a proper handbrake they...kinda get underused.

[@bwofficial1776]

I read today that Tesla requires the brakes to be lubricated yearly and it's apparently not cheap.

[@Happymali10]

@@bwofficial1776 Unless you're greasing the discs (odd) that won't help against rust.

[@DarkDutch007]

I think that electric cars from Porsche has brakes with a layer of a non-rusting metal (cant remember what it was) as standard or as an option. Because as you said, the normal brakes get used as good as never on an EV, with the exception of emergencies ofcourse.

[@logitech4873]

@@bwofficial1776 Not cheap? A simple car jack is very, very cheap. It's a simple DIY thing.

[@Mark-jd1jx]

@@Happymali10 The caliper slide pins are the ones that need to be greased, you would never put grease on a rotor and this isn't to prevent rust.

[@cousinjohncarstuff4568]

Good to see, for me at this point, an EV is still no go. I take 4 or 5 trips a year, the shortest is 240 miles. With my gas car, get to the destination with 1/2 tank and no fuel stops, longest 900 miles with only 3 fuel stops. When prices come down and range gets better, sure will consider one!

[@sammiller6631]

900 miles with only 3 fuel stops? That sounds painful. I'd have a serious cramp after that.

[@oldskooljules]

Extremely pleasing to see you two hanging out :) More please!

[@remyllebeau77]

How much does the battery degrade with fast charging?

[@ApolloSevan]

I love how awkward you both are! Makes me feel at home.😂

[@michaeltutty1540]

Very interesting. Now, I wonder how it would be with temperatures below 0 Fahrenheit, with snow on the road and traffic that turns a 1 hour drive into a 5 hour test of endurance. Those are very much normal winter conditions here, and ones that my 32 year old Volvo 240 handles with total ease. Come to that, so did my 69 Acadian. In excess of 200 miles on a fill even then.

[@idrisddraig2]

See Tesla Bjorn (he is the leading EV reviewer on youtube) he lives in Norway!

[@idrisddraig2]

@@a1c3c3u Have you ever been? Norway has a tiny population, but it's not a tiny country. Big distances between towns. And a population that likes to drive to other parts of europe for vacation necessitating 2+ days roadtrip to get there.

[@harvey66616]

@@a1c3c3u Bjorn on his channel _routinely_ tests various EVs with 1000 km trips. _"Not something that could be done in an EV"_ is so far from correct, it's almost not even worth bothering to call you out on it. Almost.

[@harvey66616]

Note that stretching a 1 hour highway drive in 5 hours for a gas powered car is going to _greatly_ reduce your fuel efficiency, while the exact opposite happens for an EV. I doubt any modern EV would have any trouble at all with that scenario, even ignoring the fact that it's far from a typical one ( _"very much normal winter conditions"_ is a ridiculous statement; the vast majority of US drivers aren't driving 1-hour trips in the first place; you don't say where "here" is, but if it's "normal" for drivers where you are to drive 1 hour trips, _and_ it's normal that the roads used for those trips are not kept maintained and cleared of snow relatively soon after a storm, then your experience is not anywhere close to being useful to judging the utility of EVs ).

[@harvey66616]

@@a1c3c3u Whatever. Your claims don't hold water, in Canada or anywhere else. No significant number of people in Canada is _routinely_ driving 90 km routes in snow that increases travel times to 5 hours. And as I already pointed out, for that incredibly tiny number of people who for some reason get stuck like that, an EV is going to be a better choice than the gas-powered equivalent, since the EV fuel efficiency goes _up_ in situations like that, while gas-powered efficiency drops dramatically. But, who cares? You want to be ignorant, no skin off my nose or anyone else's. Less demand for EVs, especially these days with all the supply chain issues, just means easier for those of us with a clue to buy one. So, yes, please...stick to your guns.

[@jefflappin]

Thank you guys! Both my parents and inlaw's want evs but say they will get phevs because "what do you do if you want to go on a road trip?" I'm sending them this video!

[@Pbaff742]

I know that I am late, but this is the crossover that I always needed. Thank you.

[@beachton]

I’d be curious about the opposite end of that spectrum. I could use a really slow charging car I only ever plug in at home. I just need to go to the grocery store once a week and to get supplies for projects. My current car, a station wagon, can hold 10’ lumber inside. I do this fairly often. This car looks like it might could hold 10’ lumber. How many years do I need to wait for one to be worn out enough to be a 50 miles a week kinda car?

[@legerdemain]

If you're not in a super cold climate, you can probably get what you want done with a $7k used EV and the 110v level 1 charger it comes with. There are caveats, but the EVs that are cheap today can do this. Maybe get a roof rack for your lumber.

[@tomjoad1363]

Since it's twice the price of a regular car : how many miles do you have to drive before having your expenses equal?

[@andrewt9204]

For my napkin math using fuel savings only, assuming a $50k Model 3 LR at 3.8mi/kWh @ $0.12kWh, and a base $25k Camry at 32 mpg @ $3/gal would be roughly a 400,000mi payback. So a long time. 13-15 years for me. (I'm using $3/gal as I assume that will be closer to the real US average within the next 10 years.) For a closer comparison, if you went a bit nicer and used the V6 Camry XLE at $35K @ 29MPG, payback is around 200k miles. There's a ton of factors at play, but this a very rough estimate. Just for kicks, say you got a $40k Mustang GT for very rough on-par performance, that drops down to 66k mile payback. Closer to 50k miles assuming premium fuel price difference. Subtract ~10% of those payback miles for ICE vehicle maintenance costs.

[@dave8599]

Of course the electric car pays no highway tax, no sales tax on its fuel. This shifts the burden on the regular car owners. Plus regular car owners subsidize the tax credits the wealth get on these electric cars. Also note our electric rates are skyrocketing thanks to the increased demand, and closing of electric powerplants that are not green enough. I say to hell with electric cars, I am sick of subsidizing them.

[@andrewt9204]

@@dave8599 Many states pay an EV road tax now to help offset lost gas tax. Here in MN I pay $75 a year. That's roughly equivalent to me buying $1000 dollars worth of fuel. My electric rates actually went down this quarter by 0.5 cents. Not much, but better than the other direction...