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[@collinwood60]

Happy Thanksgiving and I'd love to see the crossovers worked on in a later video. Love the bloopers!

[@waltergabriel3694]

Those Advent speakers launched a lot of us into the stereo journey. I remember those in the early 1970s. That's what got me into Audio, my neighbor had those hooked to an old Fisher Tube stereo receiver.

[@collinwood60]

I have a pair of Advent Legacy III's I bought brand new in the mid 80's when I was in the Navy stationed in Italy. Still have them and they still sound great. I did have to refoam them about 2 years ago though and got my kit from Simply Speakers as well. Thanks for the video Aiden.

[@thomaskendall452]

Excellent video, AH! Definitely recap those Smaller Advents: doing so can make a huge difference, especially in the treble.

[@billkaiser772]

These were my first good audio speakers back in 1974. They sounded awesome for their price and I loved listening to them. They powered quite a few dorm room parties. My Magnavox receiver was their undoing. These are 4 ohm speakers and the Magnavox was only rated for 8 ohms. After about 6 years, the Magnavox shorted out and took one of the speakers with them.

[@kenschmidt6522]

I have a pair of large Advents that I bought at Goodwill by the pound. Scourced a replacement pair of fried egg tweeters on Ebay and refoamed the woofers. Well worth the effort.

[@reinkansman1081]

Lot's of patience needed for this job Aidan. I am happy you got such a great deal on those.

[@COFFEE-e3p]

BEAUTIFULL SCENERY WITH THE SNOW AND THE MOUNTAINS !!

[@stereobrowser]

One thing that i did a couple years ago while glueing the surround is plug the speaker to a stereo on a low volume level while glueing the surround to make sure the voice coil ain't rubbing the magnet's center metal stem experimenting pushing the speaker cone to one of the sides until the sound has no anomalies

[@johngrek7000]

Henry Kloss invented both. Advent was after KLH so don't know what they changed but I have the large walnut Advents that need woofer repair but still play great. Thanks for this video. I have a whole new set of woofers for them that fit perfectly but haven't done the work.

[@RetroCaptain]

Great job on the repair. I have a couple of pairs needing this as well. The capacitors once old can lead to damaged tweeters . The way you have them playing at low volume with light jazz no damage will happen. Push them loud with modern high treble they might eventually heat up and be damaged. I've seen a few budget loudspeaker with standard caps in the crossover. Obviously they won't last as long just saying it has been done and even in 1960 speakers.

[@oscar3611]

I'm from the Netherlands, also called Flatland. So easy to imagine how I was ashtonised by your view from the balkony. Amazing.

[@dimitridekoning]

Flatland? Haha die ken ik nog niet 😂

[@paulschumacher1263]

THANK YOU for moving indoors, at about 3:00. I was freezing just watching you praise and trash those things outside. My body temp just went up about 30 degrees.

[@collinwood60]

Thanks! Dave in Maine!

[@AHFixIt]

Thank you as always, Dave!

[@Sunnbobb]

Thanks for the show. A couple notes... 1. Capacitors will make a big diff. 2. These speakers need an amp with big time headroom. They sound great on something like a Sansui 80W+ amp. 3. If you have an old turntable, remove the spindle and arm, and use the platter as a lazy Susan to spin your speaker around on.

[@ssnoc]

Great idea using old turntable 👍

[@hugh007]

Nice score. I've done a few surrounds myself and always put the surround behind the cone. It's aesthetically better. Thanks.

[@groovy1937]

Advent are nice speakers! You got a good find!

[@terrym1065]

Happy Thanksgiving Aidan😊 Free speakers...yeah good deal if working or repairable. Good fix here, it's messy working with tack glue eh.. Glad you were able to bring the speakers back to life. Re-cap for sure, it'll help. Montana snow...nice.

[@AN-ce1nd]

Gimbals! Restored a 1961 Magnavox console in 2014. Use it ever Christmas. Magnificent console. I have a Silvertone and a Telefunken. In order of restoration the Telefunken being the most difficult. All three in perfect operation as for the factory. Glad to see you will be replacing the Advents.

[@burlboone4288]

It would not be that expensive to upgrade the crossovers, I would think it will make a great episode & look forward to watching it. Happy Thanksgiving to you and your better half 😊

[@henrychinaski5223]

Great video! I wasn't going to comment, but when you said the surrounds were a strange size it reminded me of when I re-foamed my Sansui SP-3500's. I used a Cerwin/Vega surround and had to cut it down by 1". The original Sansui surrounds were made of some kind of rubberized fabric and they get really stiff after 50+ years. I re-capped the crossovers and added binding posts. The difference was unbelievable. I have a pair of Sansui SP-2500's that I bought in '72 and I think I'll try the brake fluid trick to loosen the surrounds.

[@rubenp8750]

I have some 2500 and the brake fluid did not work. Did you replace the cloth surround on your 3500 with a foam type?

[@henrychinaski5223]

@@rubenp8750 I used the orange Cerwin Vega surrounds. I wasn't able to get those cardboard trim things back on. They don't have any effect on the sound. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIWYdWareK2KiNE

[@erickvond6825]

In the future I would highly recommend using a brush and dabbing the glue in after the surround is in place. In the past I've done thousands of speaker surround repairs. What I've found to work the best is to put the surround in place and use a brush to spread adhesive on the foam and seat it to the cone. That way you don't have to worry about how fast the glue cures. It's also a bit more of a surgical procedure as opposed to dabbing it on the back or front of the cone depending on the model you're working on. It's also a good idea to ware gloves that can be changed out when they get too sticky.

[@007fredh]

Another vote for doing the crossovers. I bought a pair of advent legacy two speakers in the mid 80s. I had to replace the caps in the crossovers cause they were blown around the year 2000. About a year and a half ago I had to reform them. They sound pretty good. I have read that it takes about 100 hours of fairly high volume to really loosen up the new foam. Haven’t got that far yet.

[@glenpitts6813]

When removing the old glue from the cone, wet a cloth with acetone and wipe the cone clean. Very quick and simple and removes the risk of danaging the cone.

[@THOMMGB]

Aidan, Yes, I'd like to see or rather hear the difference between the old capacitors and the new ones. Perhaps you can recap one speaker, play some mono music and go back and forth between the two and listen for the difference. It's Thanksgiving eve in Southern California, so unfortunately, snow is not going to happen, but I hope you and your family have a great Thanksgiving and a wonderful holiday season. - Thomas

[@FelixtheMetalcat]

I second that idea.

[@BTW...]

actually... the first thing to do before replacing the foam is TEST the drivers to see if they have been burned out. Putting new foam on a blown voice coil driver is obviously pointless.

[@111000100101001]

Good score on those beauties! Thanks for sharing the overview, refoam and test drive.

[@dannyalvens5418]

That tube amplifier was made by ToneCrest. They made two amplifiers, one was a Push pull 6bq5/el84 with solid state rectification and the other was a Single ended 6bq5/el84 with a 6ca4 rectifier tube and 6eu7 driver. I own two of the SE amplifiers, They are great performers. I picked up a PP amp not too long ago that I need to rebuild..

[@larryculling1897]

I had the large Advents and found that changing out the tweeters for domed ones really improved the sound.

[@jonbradley4789]

I am so happy to se this. Now I can attempt to restore my Advent speakers too. This is very useful information.

[@craftsman123456]

I would love to hear what you think they sound like with new capacitors

[@galaxy606]

Yes, please vid replacement caps. Also, I don't believe they will ever sound as good as the klh's. Outtakes cracked me up!

[@insolentstickleback3266]

Yes, do a quickie before and after with an upgrade quality film cap fix! Happy Thanksgiving! 🦃🥧🌽🍗🍠🍲☕

[@jamester1ful]

I'd be interested to see what happens if you re-cap the crossovers...

[@GreyRockOne]

Good job! I've re-foamed a few speakers, you just need pac patience, just like that head gasket! You are like me, Jack of all trades.. Carry on! Thanks!

[@bobcouch8997]

Thanks for this video! I need to re-foam my Smaller Advents, soon, myself! 👍☺️

[@JayRCela]

Those are very nice sounding speakers, I recall several friends that owned them along with Pioneer or whatever type of appropriate receiver of the day. Thanks for the video.

[@danw1955]

Cool! I had a working pair of those I gave to one of our neighbor kids about 10 years ago. Great sounding speakers!😉👍👍

[@mikecampbell5856]

Isn't it amazing how ugly those classic speakers looked when you take the grills off. Great find!

[@scottbennett3119]

A very enjoyable video! Would love to get your sound quality accesment after the recap. Thanks

[@PSB-900]

Boy, if only the Magnepan's were this easy!

[@nettydrone9100]

Thanks for this post - I would like to see a new cap's compare! Dogs are such, dogs. A really GREAT thing we did with "the Advent" speakers back in the '70's was to stack two on top of each other so there were four speakers in a stereo pair. This REALLY made them dramatically better. Depends on the power rating of the amp at the calculated resulting impedance as to if you put these in series or in parallel, Same may work wonders with this Advent model.

[@greenlanternseven]

Hello from Meaford Ontario Canada, don't forget to use 55 hrtz through that speaaker to make sure you are lined up during the glue setting

[@dogpdsound]

Just in time for my AR 3's. Thanks and looking forward to part 2.

[@Luckiestmanalive-bb1mi]

I definitely would like to get your impressions of before and after a crossover replacement project!

[@TorontoJon]

It looks like your pair of Advents has those iconic "scrambled egg" tweeters that are highly sought after. The Advent speakers I bought from a Value Village did not have those particular tweeters.

[@kenbbaker]

Fried Egg… 😂

[@x5-acousticguitarstuff.2]

I had the BEST Score from Market Place with Speakers from an 80's HiFi Show that were NOT sold to the Public.. I x Pair of rare NAD Model 240 Floor Stand Speakers with a large NAD logo Painted in 3" White letters on each Speaker. 8" Woofer, 1"Dome Tweeter with absolute amazing Deep Bass Sound. I drove 200 Miles to buy them, but I got them for Free.

[@bertroost1675]

I got some Opera Consonance M-15 speakers for free but I had to pay for shipping from China. $500.

[@4thewinir344]

This was great! Please do the recap video!

[@brianmckoon6042]

Great jazz tune. Would like to know who it is. And great job on the re-coning.

[@TorontoJon]

I bought two Advent speakers similar to that from a local Value Village several months ago for $12.99 for the pair, but when I took them home, I discovered that the woofers had bad surround rot, so I'll have to repair them or pay to have them repaired.

[@PerfDayToday]

My Infinity Monitor Jr.’s were referred to as ‘transmission line loaded’ with respect the damping in the cabinet, ported, but with heavy, dense spun white material. They wound that material around the woofer terminal leads as well, like your Baby Advents.

[@MichaelLivingston-me]

I use a small flat stick to move the foam surround into place. Use disposable gloves to do this gluing and positioning. I energize the voice coil with a small current limited DC voltage to hold the voice coil in a centered position when doing the final position of the surround edges. You don't want a voice coil rubbing.

[@koprcord5338]

I use popsicle sticks to work around the surround. I usually apply the glue and wait a few minutes for it to tack up before i even attempt to mate the surround.

[@henrywit6147]

Really nice work on refoaming the woofers. They do sound muted. It would be interesting to see if replacement crossovers would be an improvement.

[@jameswallace5059]

I think you're right about the capacitors. Old electrolytics decrease in capacitance value and increase in ESR which will raise the -3dB crossover frequency leaving a "hole" in the midrange response which won't sound so good! If you replace them with electrolytics you need to use non-polarized (NP) caps or they will be destroyed by the ac signal. If you don't have NP caps you can make a non polarized cap out of polarized caps just use two that have twice the value you desire and connect them in series but with the center leads being the same negative polarity (i.e. pos neg neg pos). Sounds wrong but that's how it works. Physics, you know!😁

[@RetroCaptain]

I've heard of tweeters being blown because the caps were basically shorted. I have seen (budget brands) that had regular DC caps in the crossover. I presume they were intended as short term use only

[@BrianLarson1326]

Thanks, There's a 18 inch Radio Shack woofer here in need of a refoam. At last check, the price for a kit was almost as much as a new speaker. This company might be cheaper. It would be nice to have the cabinet I built in the 70's back in action again. Happy Thanksgiving.

[@JohnFBramfeld]

I have a pair I bought in 1971. My son is using them now.

[@rennethjarrett4580]

Great video on the how to repair the foam. However there is a concern that would be helpful for you in the future foam replacement, or even a new rubber one. yes the voice coil is held place pretty well with the spider as the voice coil but ant top movement can still make the speaker rub, the very best way is to open the voice center area of the speaker and use shims like pieces of clear laminate. On the first ones I did these parts came with the kit including a center parts as well. Now the other method is to wire the speaker up and play some music through it and wiggle the cone edge from side to side, till you find the very center of no rubbing. Then tack those parts corners first. Yes, it is true as long as the factory job was done well and you get your foam part centered it will be just fine like the ones you did here, and with the unique center part; finding a similar one or re-gluing it could be a problem or it will not look or sound the same way.. To often people throw out a good speaker just because the foam edge went bad, or they go to a hard edge, or a rubber one and the sound is just not the same, unless it was designed that way. Rubber or harder paper edge speaker often need more power to make them work well on the bass end, too..

[@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez]

Yeah....Advent are high on my list. New foams and caps and they sound fantastic. I like the large advents the best. A chissel works really well to remove the old glue on the surrounds. I use a AA battery with leads to center the voice coil when gluing the surrounds. Works every single time. You cannot offer an opinion on speakers if you have not replaced the caps and given them time to break in.

[@brianraulerson5037]

Those dust caps give me anxiety! They look like they are about to give up!

[@karaDee2363]

Can the center cone on the speaker be replaced? Because that looks awful

[@michellevey9608]

Another great video! Happy Thanksgiving!

[@edwardgonczy3170]

IMHO the best value in a loudspeaker ever made. What a great find. The bass on these is incredible. It is rumored that this was Henry Kloss's favorite design. They could not afford to continue manufacturing these at this price point and no one wanted them more expensive. And the "spit wad" dust cap on the woofer is ABSOUTELY essential. Don't ever think about replacing those. Henry's philosophy: "simpler is better" but Henry is to me, one of audio' history's greatest and most tragic figures. He left Advent to pursue what he thought was the future of television, Video Projection TV. NOT! He should have stuck with audio because when he finally came back with Cambridge Soundworks, they sucked. I listened to a pair of the original Ensemble against a pair of vintage KLH 17s and the latter ate the Cambridge for lunch. So sad. Also, these are 4 ohm speakers so be careful about doubling up. What a great match for an original NAD 3020A!

[@beercanshooter7680]

what's the name of your favorite song. Its great, also waiting to see the Xover rebuild

[@mr.george7687]

Would be interested to see if recapping makes an audible difference, as I also have a pair of vintage speakers which sound fine to my ears. Not sure I want to mess w/ it.

[@rand9994]

Changing the capacitors will be like taking them out of a wet sock. Those 17s are hard to beat though. The fried egg tweeter in the advents is a bit better for extension. Great vid, good job on the refoam. You can make good money on those.

[@mantolaman]

Always look forward to your new content, but not everybody's favorite tune!

[@bradnelson3595]

I've re-foamed three sets of speakers over the years. And I've had good luck with Simply Speakers for all three refurbs. The last was a month ago for some KLH Research 10 Series, Model CB-10. An online guy at Simply Speakers helped me find the right ones because the correct ones weren't listed. I believe all three times involved cleaning the glue off of the bare metal. And you hint in the video about just how much work this can be (and it was, particularly so for the KLH). But it has to be done. But I've never done one where the foam goes underneath. That looks very very difficult. It's a process that anyone can do with some patience. Like you, I used my finger to spread the glue instead of the brush - and I had a second set of hands to help. But the brush probably would work fine too. I didn't think to change the capacitors but maybe down the line sometime.

[@Jake-tw8qr]

to make sure you get a good bead and even pressure on your outer connection, you can cut out some ring jigs from some particle board. Then you just lay the bead, place the surround and put the jig on top and apply light pressure. looks like factory when you're done.

[@johnkendrick7304]

Those speakers are really nice in advent's of that era sound really good but why do you have them outside in the snow? Little silly don't you think

[@ssnoc]

Nice job -- Only thing, I would have scraped off all the old cardboard on the rim down to the metal

[@broeheemed32]

Marketplace can sometimes be a blessing. I was still steaming after paying many hundreds of dollars to have my Marantz 2230 rebuilt, only to have it spaz after just a couple weeks. The closest repair shop is a couple hundred miles away, and I had already made 2 round trips to get this thing brought back to life. Enter Marketplace: A Pioneer SX-626 (1972, same year as my Marantz) popped up, and I snapped it up for $150. It's practically mint, works perfectly, and sounds even better than I expected. Who wants an "almost" rebuilt 2230? I'm done with it.

[@asmallwhitedog0479]

I have a couple sets. One of my favorite speakers.

[@MrGigglez2010]

I would love to see a recap

[@jeffreygorey5540]

When I refoamed mine I used Q tips to go around the edge to adhere the glue. Worked slow and it went well

[@OneHundredEnvelopes]

as far as the tacky outer top cone that kept sticking to your fingers, what about a door screen wheel doo-hickey? I searched for screendoor roller tool. I hope this helps

[@PossibleAudio]

I've only heard one set of Advent speakers. They had the rounded corners for the speaker grills, but I don't know the model number. Maybe A3?? Anyways, they sounded very very flat. No "sizzle" up top and boring. However, they paired really well with Jazz and were none fatiguing. I'd like to see a recap on yours and the results. Not just any caps though. Go with something crazy, like that copper foil, oil mixed with fairy dust or whatever. Happy Thanksgiving!

[@garystone9973]

I have a pair of KLH 900B speakers that I absolutely love. So, I understand your preference for the model 17.

[@branhicks]

Simply speakers sells another type of glue for going around the edges. It's more of an elmers glue consistency

[@branhicks]

My entire home theater consists of Advent speakers we bought new in the early 90. I couldn't ask for anything better.

[@stephencolwill148]

I wonder why you couldn't put the foam ring on the inside of the frame before you put the glue on the cone. Wouldn't that be easier? Because you could turn the driver face down and let the foam surround just fall into place.

[@neilstern7108]

I have an old set of Kenwood speakers when my speakers I use died on me I used the Kenwoods man do they kick ass.

[@jimharmon3404]

I finally took my eyes off of the Advent find there and I spotted the mountains behind you! What a beautiful view! Where are you?

[@dtracy03ss]

On the foaming I Try to do 1/4 then do the 1/4 on the Opposite Side, or 1/8 and the Opposite side till you meet all the Sections up , especially stretching the new Foam over the speaker cone, helps keep everything Centered, hope I've explained what I'm trying to convey!!!

[@NathanStorer]

I would love to see a before and after for the capacitor change.

[@alexw890]

I’d love to see a before and after recap video!

[@henryjohnfacey8213]

Brilliant thanks greetings from Yorkshire.

[@bisarowood]

nice , that's a different glue then what I usually use ... I'm about to do a JBL LE10 same sort of idea but skinny surrounds

[@RKL-i8o]

To safely remove the remnants of old glue and part of the suspension, you need to moisten them with acetone. It dissolves glue and all residues are easily removed with a clerical knife. And your removal method is unsafe, you can easily damage the speaker. Also, acetone degreases the surface on which the glue will be applied, which will then allow you to better glue the new suspension to the speaker diffuser.

[@bpalpha]

I use medium and large binder clips to hold down the surrounds when refoaming a woofer. Ugh! Always easier on camera. Nice restoration on some classic Advents!

[@madtopp]

when i change the foam surrounds and put the new ones on i always use clothes pegs to hold the new foam while the glue is setting i used simply speakers for my first foam replacement witch happened to be a pair of jbl's and they was the only ones that was selling that size foams at the time but they was really helpfull and even sent me some shims free plus they posted to the UK withc was a plus the postage was more the the foams i have found a company in the usa that have re-biuld kits for the tweeters and they are oem also but they will not post to me in the UK. they do look nice on your bench tbh i cant tell how they sound from my laptop but i always say the sound is always to the individual

[@stephencolwill148]

Getting a good crossover design and implementing it would probably do wonders for the sound.

[@COFFEE-e3p]

THE VERY BEST FOR YOU AND THE FAMILY MATE , HOWS THE WEATHER IN YOUR NEW HOME ...WOW !!..NICE FINE !! STAY AWESOME !!

[@MonsterMovee]

Why out in the snow?

[@zednott]

that insulation is fiberglass, same as in your walls. dont breath the dust. and some ppl get a rash from handling it. it embeds it self in your skin. soak the affected area in fabric softener / water. it will soften the fiber glass "shards" and help them release from your skin.

[@ctrlzyx2]

I would recap the crossovers, but please test the old ones as part of the process. I expect the sound will be minimally affected, but the speaker resale value should be great given the cosmetics and the refoam/recap.

[@dtracy03ss]

Definitely redo the crossovers!

[@frankr8271]

New caps vs old sounds interesting and nothing like dual cams/lifters etc. I am SBC simple..

[@nhexan]

I run a 15-20hz sinewave test tone to woofers when I do a refoam. For some gentle excursion. To make sure there's no possibility for voicecoil rub. And I press down on the new suspension with the speaker gasket, if it has it (clamps), when gluing the new foam to the chassis. If you don't have speaker gaskets lying around. Anything will do as long as it fits the outer part of the suspension. But be warned though. Once you master the art of speaker refoaming/reconeing. It may hook you 4 life, it's crazy addictive, probably even worse than heroin 😂 😏 haha, try it. It makes thrifting broken speakers very profitable.

[@agomodern]

My dad was in competition with AR back in the 1960s and I sure would love to run across a pair of his speakers. :/