Ahsoka - Not the Show You're Looking For - Part One

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[@johnwolf2829]

I always dreaded this. Ahsoka has always been my favorite char from the whole SW thing, and I was DREADING the day Disney got it's filthy tentacles around her. They couldn't even let Rose be GOOD, at acting, of all damned things!! Even Cinema Sins already ripped this one apart. So, I guess this is the last nail in Dis-me's Coffin. Hope so, anyway. Not even a huge SW fan in the first place, but this is like watching a deranged version of JFK r*ping Maralyn Monroe's copse, for about a month. Disgusting, pointless and boring, all at once.

[@jrwilliams4029]

I haven’t watched the other Star Wars series besides Assoka and that was enough for me, taking 15 minutes on average to scam through each episode. There was nothing positive about Assoka and its some function which is to realize a female force Star Wars universe. In turn, I don’t see the utility of not calling this show what it is straight excrement. “Not that bad” excrement is still excrement to be sure why are we sitting hairs over which trash is worse?

[@geraintthatcher3076]

I did see Rebels and it was terrible

[@JoshuaKevinPerry]

I'm just glad apathy consumed me shortly into Last Jedi BvS and Endgame.

[@geraintthatcher3076]

@@JoshuaKevinPerry The Jedi Fallen Order Games are good though

[@nobbieslicks2237]

Someone on Twitter put it best: My childhood hero has gotten her own show and I feel absolutely nothing.

[@stephanicrandall7797]

Yep...

[@TheBookgeek7]

😢

[@kingrainbow5432]

​@@TheBookgeek7😐

[@bend7726]

Ahsoka was my favourite character until I watched this show honestly haha. It ruins her.

[@Taffer-bx7uc]

Damn I feel old

[@Neutral_Tired]

I promise you, after seeing Clone Wars and Rebels, I have no idea what is behind Ahsoka's 'stoicism'. It's very different from how she's characterised pretty much everywhere else

[@falcodarkzz]

Bad, and often cringeworthy acting is what it is.

[@Carrisonfire1]

@@falcodarkzz I doubt it. I've seen Rosario give good performances more often then not. I suspect she was told to play Ahsoka that way.

[@falcodarkzz]

@@Carrisonfire1 its poor acting mate.

[@Psycorde]

​@@falcodarkzzdelivery can't save that dialogue

[@Neutral_Tired]

@@falcodarkzz it's bad direction more than bad acting.

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

*The personality of Ezra is that he used to not have a beard, and then he got a beard.*

[@Hrogoff]

We call that character development.

[@johns.1854]

He is heavily stoner coded :P

[@LiterallyAWesternHognose]

​@@johns.1854Bro wtf you mean by coded, Ezras just a straight up stoner man.

[@Uzarran]

That's our clue that he's actually Mirror-Ezra, and therefore evil.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

That reminds me, does anyone know why his hair isn’t blue?

[@designermetal1]

Legitimately laughed out loud at the "all fish people look the same to me" bit. "Pescitarian fragility" is a brilliant term. Bravo.

[@silverscorpio24]

😂😂 Yeah the "Ocean Man" moniker gave me flashbacks to Elendil from Rings of Power.

[@matthewcollins4773]

Having just watched the live action One Piece last week, fishman repression is no laughing matter! 😝

[@jmass4207]

@@matthewcollins4773One Piece is racist because Arlong wasn’t treated like the secret good guy at the end of it all.

[@x511100x]

You haters only hate Ahsoka because it was terrible smh

[@daniaaal]

😂

[@Horvath_Gabor]

Preach, person-of-indeterminate-sex-and-or-gender-over-the-internet-person! Back in my day, people cared about the important things, like watching movies several times in the cinema, or buying all the merchandise! Look at the fanbase today! Just a bunch of haters, unable to accept that buying three Rose Tico action figures and subscribing to Disney+ twice is part of the essential Star Wars experience! Sure, they come up with all kinds of excuses, but I think deep down they all know they only hate new Star Wars because it's badly written trash, and then look for more reasonable-sounding ways to justify their hate, like pretending that they are racist, or that they are only hating women! It's absolutely disgusting! Just thinking about it makes me so mad, I now have to re-watch the Last Jedi at least three more times while sitting in my porg beanie chair and eating my officially licensed Yoda cereal from my Vader helmet shaped bowl with my plastic lightsaber spoon and green milk, just to remind myself what it means to be a true fan, and not one of those unreasonable haters.

[@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher]

You got me 😂

[@theheebs100]

@horvath did you just assume they have a gender?

[@yaboiportch]

Fuggin gottem 💯

[@derickrisner2601]

For those of us who did see The Clone Wars and Rebels this series was still unintelligible most of the time. So in a way the show did succeed in bringing people who didn't see those shows up to speed with those who did, since all were equally confused 😂.

[@captainvinno]

I seen so many rebuttals to people who didn't like it that they never seen rebels or CW, someone actually said that to me, and I'm like even though I watched, why should I care? Why is any of this happening? Why did they use such a poor quality title crawl animation? I still didn't understand it.

[@DuplexWeevil337]

I watch so much CW and really enjoyed it, but asoka (the show) is trash and realy bad

[@amila8875]

Agreed! The show felt like a character assasination of Ahoska, Sabine, Hera and even Thrawn. Rubbish!

[@GAHAHAHH]

What are you talking about? The show is pretty easy to understand. I know someone who had seen literally no Star Wars stuff before and went into this because he wanted to be confused and he was borderline disappointed by how easy the show was to fallow and understand. If anything I felt the dialogue at times was a little on the nose and lacked subtlety. How are you possibly confused? Did you even watch the show or did you just stare at your phone while it played in the background?

[@tomcappado]

@@GAHAHAHHwe’re not confused by what’s happening, but rather - WHY it’s happening. Like the plot is paper thin and stretched wayyyy too long. Yet somehow almost every character choice makes no sense. Sabine is constantly acting against her stated goals, and is a cunt the rest of the time, Ahsoka is bland as hell and ineffective at doing anything, thrawn is… he’s dumber than a second grader, and everyone else is blander than white bread.

[@JGGR89]

It took me 4 minutes. 4 minutes in the first episode and we see the full incompetence of the captain of an important prisoner transport and the lemings onboard. I am not simply remarking on the choice to let a would be jedi pretender on board, but the lack of escort ships, emergency protocols and any form of competent security detail. 4 minutes and I knew this show would be far more mentally challenged than anything we have seen of star wars thus far.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Yeah thats a great point. A prisoner transport ship should absolutely reject random requests for other ships to dock. Any ship approaching without prior arrangements to do so would be fired upon.

[@socialjihad5724]

What's stupid is it actually would have been a neat reveal to have Baelon actually pretending to still be a long lost Jedi coming out of hiding in order to get onto the ship, then through the course of his discussion with the Captain it's revealed he's actually after Morgan and then kills everyone

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

Took me 5 minutes, ok ok you win and I've lost. 😅

[@kylefrank638]

I think it's still a debate. Obi-Wan saw Obi-Wan forgetting his own cover story. Boob of Boka Feet had that embarrassing "cut water cost" aside. Mando.. honestly there's too many to choose from coming to mind, in how the Mandos operate, in how the bounty hunters guild works, in Mando's parenting skills...

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

@@kylefrank638 I lasted 5 min, so I have idea, but having a BLAST reading you guys. 🤣

[@Horvath_Gabor]

32:52 You forgot a small but crucial detail: He saved Ashoka *with time travel*. As in, at this point in time, Ashoka was presumed dead, since she was last seen dueling Vader and about to be killed by him, but then Ezra, in the last season, reaches out from the space between spaces and pulls her out of the past into the future to save her. It was about as literal as an ass-pull could ever get. On top of that, it was the scene that opened the door for all the speculations about Rise of Skywalker pre-release, concerning Palpatine's survival, or even hoping it would be used to outright retcon the sequel trilogy, because time travel generally isn't a cat you can just shove back into the bag once it's out... But then, as we've seen with the Holdo Maneuver, they are more than happy to try and hope the audience forgets over time.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

It’s like force ghost Yoda using lighting: the implications totally break Star Wars, but just don’t think about it.

[@Trollificusv2]

The Disney SW perpetrators have shown repeatedly that their disrespect for the IP is so great they can retcon *ANYTHING* with a single throw-away line: "Holdo Maneuver? That's a one-in-a-million chance!" "Oh. Well, never mind then." Done and done.

[@jmass4207]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703I for one don’t like feeling like an elitist for being reminded that there are idiots out there for which fiction needs to make absolutely no sense.

[@nightelfuser]

At this point, I suspect they will use the space between spaces to retcon the original trilogy, to erase Luke's achievement.

[@manz7860]

​​@@nightelfuserthey undid lukes achievements long ago. He foiled emperor Palps plan, saved his father and was the hope of the galaxy. The first star wars content disney released, the empire(first order) is already back and luke skywalker became a useless sack of sh*t who was in exile by his own decisions

[@azren2255]

Between Platoon and Mauler I am just awash in awesome, intelligent criticism and analysis. Very thankful for you both.

[@chasehedges6775]

Great material from them.

[@JackEverton101]

We get our entertainment from the people that review this crap… Which is kind of sad

[@AlcoholicBoredom]

@@JackEverton101 It could be worse. There are people who unironically get their entertainment from SSSniperwolf.

[@mlgfabulousman]

That's what I'M saying

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

I’m only doing this now because I spent uncountable hours watching Mauler & EFAP. Anyone sitting there thinking they’re alone in caring about technical writing or plot coherence should watch him particularly and EFAP generally. I learned much more about writing from those videos than I did from my BA and MA aesthetics lectures combined - so I’m happy to cede the credit!

[@The_Mongoose]

Sith Apprentice: I ran her through with my lightsaber. Poe: Come on, that move is one in a million.

[@GAHAHAHH]

Shin Hati is not a "Sith Apprentice" because Baylan Skoll is not a sith.

[@nightelfuser]

*adjusts glasses* Actually, they are dark Jedi, not Sith.

[@ericsbuds]

dude 🤣🤣

[@TheSatisfiedPig]

​@@GAHAHAHH no one cares because the show is trash.

[@GAHAHAHH]

@@TheSatisfiedPig It's not that no one cares because it's trash you just view it as trash because you don't care enough to understand it or rather you care too much about trying to hate it that you are blind to things it does right and hallucinate things it does wrong.

[@noahrombough2802]

Regarding Ashoka's "stoicism", that's out of line with her depiction in Clone Wars, so unless Rebels seriously shoved her emotions into a bin somewhere, that doesn't make sense even to the people who have seen the Clone Wars movie or show.

[@olafgurke4699]

And it hasn't. Rebels Ahsoka was a more mature, grown version of her character, but still very much Ahsoka. This show's character with the same name is just a cardboard cutout.

[@olafgurke4699]

@@alexpokrandt4378 Exactly. I have no idea how they could go so wrong here.

[@Hepheat75]

This show wasn't the worst show ever. It was one of the most uninspired show ever.

[@BertoxolusThePuzzled]

Yeah, it's not outright BAD just painfully painfully mediocre. Most of the moment to moment choices are passably good, they are just much much worse than the story choices that were implied by earlier choices, the show consistently manages to under utilize it's many legitimately good ideas and set ups...

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

Being the most uninspired helping of Filoni slop is pretty impressive when you think about it.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I think this was just a harsh reality that if the guy who made Clone Wars can't even make Ahsoka exciting or well written, there's no hope left.

[@grizzakaful]

Indeed, it could have been way better had it done the right things. If it was between this or robyn hood though? Ashoka would win, so that should at least give it some merit.

[@Hepheat75]

@@grizzakaful I agree

[@themydnighthour]

Watching y'all tear these shows to pieces is far more entertaining than the shows. We thank you for your service!

[@cellardweller5245]

40:33 This. This is the only legacy Ahsoka as a character had, has and probably will have, no matter how much Filoni will try to insert her in the story that was written without her in mind.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano?

[@themurmeli88]

The fan service is strong in this one?

[@ProjektBurn]

Ah, beat me to posting the same time stamp and message. Exactly on point.

[@blazingmonolith4323]

I love how incredibly fast that comes and goes away. I literally cannot pause the video on it soon enough lol. made me do like a triple take.

[@thegamingprozone1941]

​@@Lemon_Inspector😂😂😂

[@AliRadicali]

What I find uniquely irksome about Filoni is how smug he is about having written such an awfully stupid show. He really is the Dunning-Kruger effect personified. I take particular umbrage to his extremely on-the-nose references and sources of inspiration, which demonstrate without a shadow of a doubt how shallow and dim the man is. Star Wars has always liberally pilfered from other sources, but George had the good sense to take the essence of whatever he was lifting and coat it in space-laser visuals so it would feel at home in a galaxy far, far away. Filoni meanwhile will just throw in katanas, kimonos and have the characters use words like "Ronin". Or he'll give his precious OC a white cape, make her act smug and humourless and insist this is some 400 IQ Gandalf homage. Calling Filoni a fan-fiction tier writer is an insult to most fan-fiction.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯👍👍

[@L33Reacts]

He really should stick with the kid shows. Actually, he should just stick to getting pegged by his crazy wife and never open Microsoft Word again 😂

[@johns.1854]

I died a little inside when I heard “ronin” amidst the meaningless babble that passed for dialogue in this show.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@johns.1854 Meaningless babble that passed for dialogue in this show. Exactly

[@John-Doe-Yo]

Man you hit the nail on the head, the entire time watching I was thinking "I've seen this before but I can't remember where exactly" 🤨 after watching one of those Easter egg videos I was dumbfounded. He cherry picked so many things from other stories to make his Waifus show come to life. There's a huge difference between paying homage and plagiarizing.

[@ninvusoogoar6098]

i would love a super cut of all the long stares and pauses in this show so we know exactly how much time filoni sprinkled in with those to pad the run times....

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Funny you should mention that. I’d been planning on making one!

[@ninvusoogoar6098]

@@TheLittlePlatoon (lol sorry for the text wall) lol knew it! because i am very interested in knowing the exact amount of time. i have a suspicion the script for the show was just the ahsoka movie pitch script, or likely an unfinished draft they stretched out for content on D+. once i learned about the weird stuff his wife has been doing in star wars for years, sabine started to make A LOT more sense too. same for all the witch craft stuff via the nightsisters as well. i dont know why it is so hard to just fork out the small amount of money to pay royalties to EU authors and just adapt their stories into film/tv... doing this would just turn star wars into a giant money-printing machine and the authors of those books would love the exposure of the entire thing and having them on the writer team would add even more credibility. as well as having those adaptations be good and well written.

[@IronGhost8280]

@@ninvusoogoar6098 Because Disney doesn't want to admit there are better writers than them when it comes to Star Wars. I think that's why they erased the EU in the first place.

[@ninvusoogoar6098]

@@IronGhost8280 that and the EU would maybe require them to pay royalties to use their stuff

[@IronGhost8280]

@@ninvusoogoar6098 Of course, the multi-BILLION dollar company would be worried about paying for stuff!

[@trygveplaustrum4634]

59:54 “On this day, several years ago…” Why would he say “several”? He should know when the Empire fell. Doesn’t “several” seem flippant and disrespectful to the events of the past? Is it because Dave Filoni doesn’t know his own timeline and didn’t want to lock himself into a certain year?

[@AJadedLizard]

To be fair Filoni's understanding of Star Wars is pretty...limited. My favorite example is in the final season of TCW, where Rex just addresses Sidious *by name* during the Order 66 scene (something none of the clones in RotS do). The reason this is a problem is it means Rex just *knew* Palpatine was a Sith Lord and not only that, a Sith Lord Dooku had namechecked in AotC and therefor was someone the Jedi were actively hunting. Order 66 is only the second most significant sequence in the entire franchise (probably only dwarfed by Vader killing Palpatine in RotJ and *maybe* Tarkin destroying Alderaan in ANH); you'd think he'd be more familiar with it.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Almost certainly yes. Like when Favreau said two years had passed then evidently got scolded and tried to retract it, even as his show proved that was the idea.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

"On this day, an indeterminate number of years ago" Meanwhile, in the past...

[@dozyproductionss]

​@@AJadedLizardthey had a brain chip telling them what order 66 is. I think your example is a nitpick when looking at how vaguely the chip is explained. Is it fully voice activated? If so, just saying 'execute order 66' is enough to make it done or does a certain voice has to say it?

[@AJadedLizard]

@@dozyproductionss The inhbibitor is also a stupid thing, don't get me wrong, but go back and *watch* Revenge of the Sith. Nobody calls Sidious Sidious, they just say "Yes my Lord," which makes significantly more sense, because why the hell would Palpatine program them to know he was the Second Sith? Also, *yes,* saying "Execute Order 66" is all it takes because a Jedi does this to the Inquisitors in one of the Marvel comics, further proving it's a fucking stupid mechanic.

[@smoore6461]

What really makes me sad is that this is the last thing Ray Stevenson will be known for. He was a great Actor, i he was awesome in Rome!

[@Dafuq-is-going-on]

Punisher Warzone.

[@smoore6461]

@@Dafuq-is-going-on yeah I was just saying Rome was my favorite! He was great in war zone too, Black sail as well. He was a great actor. Seemed from interviews like a pretty normal guy as well. For an actor.

[@falcodarkzz]

He did v well in this tbf and was imo the only interesting character

[@smoore6461]

@falcodarkzz agreed. The rest were like planks of wood or just super powerful girl bosses who are perfect because Feloni told us they are perfect.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Considering that most people will forget Ahsoka ever existed as a stand alone show, his legacy isn't going to be tarnished

[@JamesChapman-er6gk]

So I am one of those Rebels fans-- I've watched it through 3 times. My judgment is that Ahsoka disrespects Rebels the way anything Disney puts out these days does to prior lore. Indeed, having watched Rebels and knowing it well is a disadvantage because it merely piles on the reasons why I cannot stand Ahsoka.

[@marcmarc1967]

I only watched Rebels once, over the summer, but I loved it and I'm excited to watch it again. Yes, Ahsoka (the series) is a travesty.

[@markn866]

Same.

[@olafgurke4699]

The people in this show only take the appearance and names of the animated characters, they have neither personality nor much acting. Stilted cardboard cutouts.

[@cympimpin20]

​@@olafgurke4699and not even that good of a job at the appearance. If they weren't so dead set on racial representation, they could have picked a much better cast.

[@kamillavalter]

@@cympimpin20what race does Hera’s actress represent? She is the biggest miscast there. Or Thrawn? Ezra and Sabine’s cast, on the other hand, is pure perfection, I was so excited when they announced it. Also the makeup and costumes are so bad that nobody would look good in that.

[@JackEverton101]

God I can’t wait for him to drop part2 ! I know it’s akin to torture but please! This is more entertaining than anything that Disney can put out!

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Happily the first four videos are pretty much complete. Copyright gods be praised, they’ll come out frequently over the next couple of weeks.

[@seandavidson6712]

​@@TheLittlePlatoonare we getting the rest after part 4?

[@awesomehpt8938]

At least Lizzo wasn’t in this show.

[@chasehedges6775]

This show needed more Jack Black, tbh.

[@blacklivesorblackvotes2985]

What do you think the space whales were? You’re right. Those were Lizzo’s slightly more active second cousins.

[@sometingwrong905]

You must have missed her she was cleverly used as a cameo. She is playing the planet Tarkin is stranded on.

[@petriew2018]

yet it's still a Disney production, after all

[@MadmanImpersonator]

Still say they massively missed the opportunity to cast her as a Hutt, think of the money they could save no having to do all the usual makeup

[@MrBonified66]

There's so much I'm looking forward to you covering later in the series. If I have to pick one, Sabine finally meeting the guy she betrayed an entire Galaxy for and going "hey. no hug though, ewww".

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

“Just to be really clear, we’re absolutely not going to bone. Love you though.”

[@kamillavalter]

@@TheLittlePlatoonI don’t understand why this show is so afraid of emotions. Andor and Brasso hugged in the finale of Andor, it was a really big tight hug, a heartwarming moment. No one assumed that they are going to bone or something. Andor and Jyn died hugging each other, it’s a very human thing to do, so why not? I can’t even guess what was going on in the Ahsoka director’s mind. Why everyone is acting so unnatural in this show?

[@nightelfuser]

@@kamillavalter Because the people who wrote/directed this show are allergic to positive emotions.

[@kamillavalter]

@@nightelfuser they are afraid of any emotions, it seems.

[@dereklopez9060]

​@@kamillavalterThat's what I'm saying. There's literally no emotions and no personalities throughout the Ahsoka show. The reunion between Sabine and Ezra was so underwhelming, it felt like two characters saying... "Hey what's up?" "Not much, just wanna hug." That's it, there's no "omg, I'm so happy to see you!" Or "I miss you so much!" None of that. It just comes and goes. They have not seen each other for years, and this is the best they can come up with? What a joke. No wonder why the acting is so wooden and the dialogue felt very one note in the entire show. When I look at Andor and Rogue One, they at least have emotions, personality, and better dialogue and acting.

[@chasehedges6775]

Hayden Christensen, Ray Stevenson, and the child actors who play Jaycen Syndulla(Evan Whitten) and Young Ashoka(Ariana Greenblatt) are the biggest victims of this bland, mediocre and terrible show. They were only people on the show that liked that they were trying to give good performances and take the awful material seriously.

[@Xapheion101]

Yeah i feel bad for Hayden, I'd love to see more of him as Anakin and vader but i cant stand to watch the disney slop.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Xapheion101 I definitely feel bad for him, too but I feel bad for Ray Stevenson as well along with the child actors

[@Xapheion101]

​@@chasehedges6775 yeah tbh i feel for every actor involved in modern star wars, it jusy hits different for me with Hayden as the prequel trilogy are the ones i got to see in the cinema growing up.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Xapheion101 💯💯. Hayden deserved better than this 😔😔😔

[@Soapy-chan]

I'm still baffled that they took young anakin to talk to ahsoka and had child ahsoka only for a tiny bit there, it would've worked way better than with adult ahsoka.

[@poissonsumac7922]

No Little Platoon, Ahsoka's awesome! When Anakin Vadered, I was instantly struck with the poetic symmetry of the master apprentice dichotomy and when Anakin appeared in the mother frigging SKY at the end of the series I outright came! And those 10 second pauses between dialogue where Asohka folds her arms!? GENIUS!!

[@varoux4278]

I loved pitch meetings explanation of ashoka "well she crosses her arms and frowns alot" whats her story? "I just told you!"

[@ggt47]

Ohhh,Ryan's pitch meeting videos are *TIGHT* .

[@MrBonified66]

The sigh montage!

[@kamillavalter]

The Honest Trailer for Ahsoka is also hilarious

[@currentlyeatingpies1274]

Quote of the video. "Nightsisters, for those unfamiliar, are, yes, witches. They live mostly on Dathomir in a wonderful witchy matriarchy, and could use the dark side of the force in interesting and magical ways. They were also known to ride Rancors from time to time because lesbianism gets old pretty quickly, and what's a gal to do when bored of vajayjay except ride large animals or maybe sit on the washing machine while it's switched on."

[@QueenAleenaFan]

Oh God, I forgot how stupid the 'call their bluff' moment was. His soldiers aren't even lined up to shoot them from multiple angles. He's in front, with no weapon presented. I actually get some sort of brain rot when I see tactics dumber than what I would come up with.

[@FBI-ju5no]

That's why I was kicked out of the theater for TLJ.

[@silverscorpio24]

Your "War of Star" name from your Mandalorian script becomes more and more appropriate by the day.

[@randallroyall7684]

I’m at a loss as a Star Wars fan. I love Star Wars, and I don’t want to hate on anyone who enjoy new Star Wars content. Even I enjoy elements from the new stuff. However, is it healthier for for us as fans to accept what we’re given and be grateful for new Star Wars content, or do we stand up for the low quality and effort put into a lot of the Disney plus content? It feels like when I do i make more casual fans that are enjoying things like mando season 3 and Obi Wan feel like I’m hating unnecessarily. I don’t want to ruin Star Wars for anyone else by hating, but alas, I’m not sure what to do. I want to like these shows! But the more I think about them critically, the more holes I find. Thank you for putting all of this effort into video analyses, I really enjoy and appreciate your insight and criticisms.

[@chasehedges6775]

It’s just saddening how dead SW is

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

Things don’t improve by clapping mindlessly. I think Star Wars sucks, and since I want it to be better, I will point out why it sucks. People call that hate and that’s _their_ problem. They can enjoy it if they want. Their entitled to their opinion, and I’m entitled to mine. Any rational adult knows you an agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[@chasehedges6775]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703💯💯💯💯

[@chasehedges6775]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 Well Said. Everyone should be allowed like and dislike things

[@ajclements4627]

Just my personal experience, but if a SW fan even dares to say “I dislike X..” or “I really hate..” they’re automatically labeled as “fake” fans. What the heck is a “fake” fan anyway? I don’t need to watch/buy/read everything SW to enjoy it, *to be a fan of SW.* I’ve been a ST fan since first run syndication in the early seventies, and for me Trek ended with the series finale of ENT. I have watched the JJ verse Trek, and the new stuff. It’s just not for me personally. Would I like to see a return to greatness for both franchises? Absolutely. Do I think it’ll happen anytime soon? Unfortunately not, especially with the current writers/showrunners.

[@ashscott6068]

"No, Rosario! I said confident! That's smug! Okay, try serene instead. No, that's smug, too. Look, just pretend you're a buddhist monk with superpowers, and you're reached a state of elightnenm.......no! That's just smug, but with your arms folded! Jesus! I'd hire someone else, but it just took 6 hours to glue these fucking tentacles to your head! Why are you looking at me like that? Are you angry? I can't tell! You just look...smug!"

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

It’s kinda fitting. Filoni learned all George Lucas’s tricks, including making talented actors insufferable.

[@ashscott6068]

@@TheLittlePlatoon I dunno...the green woman was pretty good. The way she tells people she's a general.... that other thing she did...

[@oscarb4822]

See you can't write competent villains in Star Wars anymore because then our heroes couldn't beat them(because then the writers would have to come up with something slightly clever). Even with their plot armor which is proof against battleship grade weapons...literally. Though I do like the idea that the Imperial Shadow Council is essentially saying that Thrawn will be back with those milk and cigarettes any time now.

[@chasehedges6775]

A character is only as smart or invincible as the person writing it.

[@AJadedLizard]

You can't write competent villains in Star Wars because the villains are SciFi Republicans and it offends the people who still slurp this garbage up when you depict those people as not idiots. That's it in a nutshell and it's no wonder the characters are this dumb.

[@petriew2018]

@@AJadedLizard i think it's simpler than that : you can't have good villains because the corporate suits find them too uncomfortably familiar......

[@Zolwiol]

Remember that Jedi and the Force will be all but forgotten by the time of Force Awakens but apparently Thrawn will create a zombie army using magic in the meantime and that will also be forgotten.

[@danieldevries2644]

@@chasehedges6775 The first is true, but not the second. A character can't be smarter than the writer, but the notion of "invincibility" seems unrelated. Although if you were meaning to imply that a character under constant stress and threatened couldn't be written well by a rich, jaded writer sipping martinis in his bathrobe - someone under no stress at all - I think I'd agree with you on that.

[@dronesclubhighjinks]

Sabine skipping the dedication ceremony to be stunning and brave, riding her not-motorcycle devil-may-care-ishly reminds me of "Prince" Harry, then Captain General Royal Marines, who skipped the 30 year anniversary memorial service for the Marines killed by an i r a device to take his wife to the premiere of the Lion King, when he told Bob Iger that his wife does voiceovers. I haven't finished the whole video yet, but I i'd like to join everybody else in the comments by stating I really really appreciate the time, effort and wit you have put into this! Dave "Anything less than the best is a" Felony could've saved himself all that aggravation if they had only let you read the screenplay before filming it. Best wishes! 🙏🎃🖖

[@jeremyusreevu237]

Hey, Platoon. Just a heads up, be prepared for the Ashoka Shills that will inevitably flood the comments of this video. They're pretty agressive.

[@purple3018]

B-but Vader is in the show how can it possibly be bad🥺

[@trentroberts6736]

Agreed. Them and the Filoni faithful are more sensitive than Last Jedi fans.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

They can be scared off, but they'll return in greater numbers. Grunting and thrusting their clubs in the air, like primitive men.

[@shawnrcurrie]

We got his back !

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

@@itzYonkofound one lol. LP is happy to give credit when it’s deserved. You’d know that if you actually watched his channel. But since you can’t rebut his points you just dismiss it with “it’s hate and echo chambers”. Lame.

[@rejvaik00]

Yeah I was always surprised that Filoni was accoladed with such high praise and I'm like guys he barely wrote anything about the animated series All he did was oversee the creative team and make sure they had access to the resources they needed to continue the project No to mention when Ahsoka was first introduced in the animated series she was despised by fans and she had to be completely rewritten

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

Another thing that makes me a little angry is when they say he was credited in Avatar tla...... ..... Like, okay... And even if he did have a lot of control over Clone Wars, it's not that profound or impressive anyway

[@olafgurke4699]

Ahsoka wasn't rewritten, though. She had a character arc. There's a difference, called character growth. I do wonder where all of that was in this show, tho. These are the characters from the animated shows in name and appearance only, mere cardboard cutouts.

[@rejvaik00]

@@olafgurke4699 no she really did have to get rewritten they tried to make her a know-it-all individual when she was first introduced as well as that stoic feature basically everything that she's doing now in this new show they tried to in the beginning of the 2008 animated series and it was almost entirely despised by fans so they rewrote her

[@olafgurke4699]

​@@rejvaik00 Except that no, she wasn't rewritten. She started out as that bratty know-it-all teenager. Then she started to get humbled and mellowed into a much more likeable character, a fan-favourite even, while still keeping some of her earlier aspects. She still has moments of snippy comments with Anakin and Obi-Wan, though coming from completely different places. And no, this show's Ahsoka bears no resemblance to any other version of her, be it at the beginning or even in the Clone Wars movie.

[@rejvaik00]

@@olafgurke4699 no she was rewritten this was even confirmed by Dave filoni himself

[@jmoe3524]

Lil Platoon could read the phone book and still sound compelling

[@chasehedges6775]

True.

[@Trollificusv2]

It is English English, spoke proper-like.

[@daviddunlap2909]

heh- lil ‘toon

[@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God]

Not only did my man throw in an hk-47 refrence, he used a scene from KOTOR 2. Platoon is truly a man of culture.

[@asd35918]

Two updates in less than a fortnight. These truly are the best of times!

[@L33Reacts]

Thank you Platoon for all that you do. You deserve all the success your getting 👏 😊

[@DensilGrant]

What exactly is he doing? That's groundbreaking?

[@VikingKong.]

@DensilGrant He's making long yet concise and well thought-out criticism of shitty Disney slop. Nobody mentioned "groundbreaking" but you.

[@FeatherRanching]

The world of non-continuous time must be truly terrifying. Poor Filoni: we cannot begin to fathom the hell he lives in.

[@awesomehpt8938]

In Mandolorian we had Lizzo the land whale. In Ashoka we have space whales.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Ahsoka should have had the Lizzo and Jack Black cameos. This show matches that tone.

[@kamillavalter]

@@donkeysaurusrex7881they are not stoic enough and don’t make long meaningful pauses when speaking.

[@KingKayro87]

21:08 A little off topic here, but I actually quite like Jar Jar in this scene of the Phantom Menace. Yeah, he's a bit of a buffoon, but he at least decently serves the role of an emotional proxy for the audience (particularly the younger aspect of it), and this scene is a great display of what his character really should've been like throughout.

[@ainzer2903]

Yeah, but unfortunately Jar Jar treated as the WORST character. I don't know and understand why people did that back then. And I kinda expected that he actually some kind of spy or traitor for Palpatine since he did some suspicious things sometimes. Edit: (Idk why my autocorrect change Palpatine to Palestine like I'm some kind of Israel supporter lmao)

[@hibiscus779]

It's worse than that - it's a PRISONER TRANSPORT SHIP. How many paddywagons stop to pick up hitchikers?

[@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese]

Fair Use Jawa is unironically a more productive character that Hera or Sabine

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

He’s definitely more useful.

[@nightelfuser]

@@TheLittlePlatoon To me, Fair Use Jawa is one of the highlights of this video. I hope that it becomes a recurring character.

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

@@nightelfuser I believe he made his debut way back in my Mando Part 1 review and he’ll certainly reappear in all future Star Wars content!

[@nightelfuser]

@@TheLittlePlatoon Cool. I should have mentioned this is the first video I've seen from you. Either way, nice work!

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

My FAVORITE PART is when Ahsoka walks ..... and stop .... and look around .... and walk again .... and stop again. FANTASTIC SHOW. 🤕🙄

[@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2]

@@pbradics3670 Could not contain my emotions, was afraid to go get popcorn and miss something 🤣🤣🤣

[@electricbayonet2]

Nothing’s dirty anymore. The filthy hermit crab people that Ezra lives with are dressed like hobbits, have a dozen perfectly uniform (and blasterproof!) hover-Winnebagos, and defend themselves with useless slingshots. Ezra looks like he’s had access to a lot more shampoo and conditioner than you’d expect from living among crabs on a desolate wasteland planet, and I guess one of those invincible hover-homes has a fully equipped dry cleaner in it. It used to be understood that, to use a beard as a sign of character change, it was to show that a character had _actually_ _changed,_ whether by choice or otherwise. In Jumanji, one of the first things Alan did was shave off the caveman beard he had grown over the last two and a half decades. It was scraggly and wild, and his hair matched, as did his clothes. Alan’s actually an especially good example, because he regularly showed how much he had missed. He wasn’t just in stasis while gaining additional experience as his party leveled like Ezra apparently did. He’s just as he was (or at least a parody of it), and he’s not at all thinking that stuff might have happened while he was away. Was he never tempted to go to Thrawn? What if Thrawn sent out gunships or emissaries saying that they had, or at least were close to, finding a way back? What if he even said that he did not hold Ezra’s opposition against him? What if he had spent the years cultivating a relationship through indirect conversation with Ezra, and it led to Thrawn telling him that an expeditionary who from the Empire has found them...and he swears on his honor that if Ezra turns himself over, he will demand nothing of him and do all in his power to return him to his lost galaxy? Dunno. Could be interesting.

[@MBS-HomuZombie]

Man, i hate how the stoic trait always gets abused in these shows... ignoring the new standard of writing for a moment, i really like the stoic character archetype (...when done well, to point out the obvious). then again, what doesn't get abused when it comes to modern writing. I have to say though, I have to give Ahsoka some credit, I think it has to be the first where someone takes their own beloved (i assume) OC and drains them of any character or life. (ok, i'll be fair, Ahsoka kept her personality of crossing her arms, or so i hear.)

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I don't think writers like Dave understand what stoicism actually is.

[@Neutral_Tired]

As someone who saw and loved Rebels, this show had a whole lot of potential to me and managed to disappoint me at every turn. It's amazing that this series was so reliant on people having seen Rebels and yet having seen the show makes it so much worse

[@stephanicrandall7797]

Same here...

[@occasional-dabbler]

Anyone else think Fair Use Jawa needs to be sold as a plushy?

[@jackwhite2654]

I'd recommend anyone who likes this check out the Ahsoka video made by Sheev talks, because he is very familiar with the animated shows (and has a lot of love for Rebels) and he provides a ton of insight into how this show destroys all the returning characters. Honestly it's amazing how Ahsoka presents a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario, because if you've seen Rebels you have to watch those characters be assassinated, and if you haven't seen it you have no idea what's happening.

[@Amphibax]

Thats why I don't really get who this show is for, if you've seen Clone Wars and Rebels you see everything thats wrong here and if you haven't I don't see any reason why you should care about those characters.

[@nobody2996]

My question about Ezra's hololog is when the fuck was it made? Ezra didn't know how things were gonna go down until he did it. The whales carrying him and Thrawn away was not a part of any plan which is why he had to call his friends and tell them it was happening. There was no time for him to make and send a log to Sabine that told her he was gonna be missing and that she should come and find him.

[@OGSanSimeon]

I can't wait for shin and Sabine to be reunited again so they can solve their differences with a kiss.

[@markn866]

At least that would bring some emotion to the lifeless corpse of a show or would the kissing be done stoically too lol?

[@kamillavalter]

⁠@@markn866stoically and with long pauses! And Ahsoka would watch them while folding her arms.

[@ShadesOfKnight]

I might not always agree with LP, but I have yo give credit. He’s always entertaining and thought provoking. I also tend to get new ways of describing things from him. In this case specifically, “stupid-per-second.”

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

Life would be very boring if we always agreed with each other!

[@Trollificusv2]

@@TheLittlePlatoon It would also be very boring if the posibility of completely wrong and stupid opinions did not exist.

[@jasonjones7461]

Thrawn looks ridiculous. He looks like someone paused Star Trek Picard when Data was on screen, played with the color settings and said We have our Thrawn!

[@whaisnmaisn]

The funniest thing is when people actually try to defend the whole lightsaber stab miracle wiht "oH buT hEaT mAkeS wOuNd Go HeAl" ...... bro LIGHTSABERS MELT METAL, a lightsbaer stab melts everything in the surroundings of the body .....

[@johnprime1147]

What you said about Stoic. It reminded me of a Character that is Stoic and Most definitely has his Reasons for being so. He's Silent most of the time. You all know who I'm talking about. Batman. He's Stoic and Cool. Every word you can say Batman is. His reasons for being Stoic is because it works. Not just because of his Traumatic Experience watching his Parents get shot in front of his own eyes while their Murderer ran away and depending on what continuity doesn't even see him until far into his Batman Career. The reason of why he's stoic is because it works. Is because it works. Criminals Fear what they don't know. But that could be umped up even more by them being afraid of what they've only heard in Whispers. The real thing about Batman is that the Criminals themselves made him terrifying so he became more Terrifying. So if you take Batman from the Arkham Series and put him in a Different Streets of Gotham that doesn't have that Much open space like the Games. That is Fear. He could be around the Corner, he could be right above you, he could be Right under you. That is FEAR. That's why Batman's Stoicness is so Praised. Because he lost his Childhood and he can't get it back

[@mikehoffler4097]

I did like Balon Skoll. Loved Ray Stevenson in the old HBO series Rome, and it was a pleasant surprise to see him here, and giving a nuanced portrayal. He made this series compelling. I watched to learn more about him. The 2 female leads looked the parts, had some facial tics and mannerisms down pat, but otherwise were wooden. Apart from Andor, which I had to rewatch several times to fully absorb and properly appreciate, I'm willing but numb, apathetic in the extreme.

[@walkwithoutrhythm9858]

Years ago, when I was a young lad, I read an erotic fiction (dont judge me) of how Ahsoka joined the New Jedi Order, and came to grips with the things she had to do to survive during the Empire. At the time, I had no idea who Ahsoka was, as I'd never seen any of TCW. It was actually pretty good, and the story made sense. All indications show that was better than an officially released series. I would love a series that shows the tension of a Jedi fugitive on the run from the Empire (Obi Wan doesn't count as he's pushed into it). They had so much they could've used from the EU, but they decided to trash it, and recycle select pieces. I will continue to hope that we will get a course correction eventually. I want to see Jacen and Jaina Solo on screen...

[@ad-sd-vids5332]

In the first scene, why would the new republic employ a Mon calamari as a guard, when his flipper hands physically can’t get his gun out of the holster?

[@stephanicrandall7797]

Oh my word thank you for pointing out the issues with the timeline. I was wondering what in the world Morgan Elsbeth had been doing on this spaceship for 2 years. They have her on the way to the New Republic starting now but why not before? It's also important to point out that Rebels itself (particularly Ahsoka's journey) has weird stuff going on with the timeline. Not only with the finale, but with Ahsoka having missed out on the original trilogy (supposedly because something was going on with her in the World Between Worlds). The Ahsoka show was supposed to explain this and what she has been doing half the time, but instead it just made it worse... It even retconned how she came back as "Ahsoka the White" when appearing to Sabine on Lothal in Rebels. Filoni has retconned his own work and it drives me crazy...

[@yellothekunt6826]

58:56 Legit had me in TEARS. This sounds like the kind of sh!t SIMS listen to. The fact at least 20 dudes working on the show must've thought kids would hear this and buy it off spotify or something breaks me. It unironically sounds like a drunken aunt on karaoke trying to hold it despite not even knowing the title of the song that's playing.

[@AlexMeyer327]

I kept having to skip back a few seconds to hear what was said after "HUGE WANG" because it made me laugh every time.

[@moleman7632]

My favourite part is the audio cut away and clearly distinct "Huge Wang" every time the character is named :D brilliant

[@falcodarkzz]

Gotta say Ashoka does actually express emotions beyond stoicism - a good ole dose of cringe.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

When people say the stuff that happened in Filoni’s cartoons out loud, it sounds so much stupider than reading it.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Not that it didn’t sound stupid when reading it.

[@BSMerlin064]

In my mind, it would make more sense for this Palleon guy to have a Super Star Destroyer, and Morgan to be looking for a hyperlane route to Thrawn. It shows that the Empire is working towards a goal, and that Thrawn will have some resources that makes him a threat

[@jtillman8251]

This was exactly the same issue I had with them dropping Cad Bane and doing his death on the second to last episode of Boba Fett. Nobody who hadn't watched all of Clone Wars would have ANY idea who the guy was, nor why his death should be a dramatically intense moment for either Boba or the fans, which is a real shame because he's one of the better villains they've ever had in a Star Wars tie in show.

[@ShatteredQvartz]

On one hand I'm kinda glad the shows are getting harder to get into, because that could mean that a hardcore fanbase with high involvement and a real possibility to gatekeep the tourists away On the other hand, I don't think nobody would want to gatekeep this franchise anymore, not after what Disney did to it

[@jimhughes2621]

Dude I laughed way too hard at sex wings. Like I laughed for at least a minute

[@guyonyoutube501]

Me too, and then I laughed again at "Huuuuge Wang"

[@PresindentofPain]

I watched 2 episodes of this. Both were spent begging for Sabine to die, but even as she was stabbed, I wasn't elated. Never has a single character put me off of a series this bad.

[@Bat-Twenty-Two]

As a fan of REBELS, though more without the Clone Wars tie-ins, I can't say that Ahsoka has given the fan base anything other than disappointment. But that's part for the course with Disney SW, letting down fans of the OT, PT, and EU.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I love how people like SWT praise this show and mock Andor. Then have the nerve to be like "oh but I loved this show! Why are the ratings so low?" Maybe because unlike you, the rest of us are not going to satisfied with member berries. If you have nothing to say as a show, I want nothing to do with you. If all you want is fan service, cameos, and no real tension, character development or story, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to stick around with you.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

Some people just want sensations. A Star Wars safari. Of course they find Andor boring. Why spend a season developing a character’s motives, if you can just give them a white outfit like Gandalf and call it a day? None of that pesky story craftsmanship, just make Hayden Christensen spin his lightsaber again!

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 And I hate how Hayden is just being used as nostalgia bait. It's so disrespectful to his talent.

[@JokeofAllButts]

wtf.. Ahsoka was never a jedi knight... wtf? She got kicked out as a padawan... X.x Disney dont even know their own story that they attempt so desperately to leech off.

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

It’s alarming this isn’t talked about more. It’s a concrete fact that’s been blatantly retconned.

[@ajclements4627]

The writer of a series didn’t rewatch the series he based the current series on? I’m shocked! Shocked I say! 😮

[@AJadedLizard]

It's possible we're meant to believe Luke knighted her after the war, though that doesn't make a great deal of sense because she doesn't seem to have given a shit about his New Jedi Order.

[@petriew2018]

since when has Dave Filoni ever given a flying fuck about continuity?

[@cocaloca5402]

Who the fuck makes a speech on a memorial event but refers to the time elapsed in vague terms ?? 😂

[@TheLittlePlatoon]

It has been several years since the end of WW2…

[@cocaloca5402]

@@TheLittlePlatoon The kicker, this dude was supposedly there!!! But maybe he suffered a brain injury or got force blasted in a promotional claymation that was released only on Apple refrigirators.

[@ParkerM]

This is where the fun begins

[@chasehedges6775]

This is the way.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

​@@chasehedges6775(cue musical sting)

[@emilianomartorell3587]

There seems to be a sort of underlying narcissism in Dave Filoni’s work. Everything he makes must be central to the core narrative of Star Wars. His work has a parasitic relationship to the main saga; he never makes anything truly original, only ever working in the shadow of another movie or novel made by far more talented writers (Heir to the Empire, OT, PT, etc.); but always, he tries to recontextualize those stories to place his characters at the narrative forefront. All of his OCs are kept alive inexplicably throughout the whole arc of the Skywalker story; often times long after their arcs have reached a natural and satisfactory ending point. Stylistically he relies far too heavily upon callbacks and cameos to keep his stories engaging. He constantly talks about George’s mentorship over him to give people the impression that he is a sort of inheritor to the Star Wars legacy, which legitimizes his fan-fiction. When he wants to be taken more seriously, he parrots the aesthetics of greater respected works like Blade Runner or Akira Kurosawa’s filmography, but always misses what made those films truly special. This became clearer than ever to me with Tales of the Jedi, a darker, self-serious series which attempted to paint itself as mature political and moral commentary (According to Filoni, long, drawn out scenes with no dialogue means his work is deep. He continues this gimmick in Ahsoka). However Ahsoka was released in the shadow of Andor, and when you directly compare how these two works approach the same themes, the surface-level nature of his writing becomes incredibly apparent. Let us also not forget how completely hypocritical Filoni is when it comes to the treatment of writers' original characters. He's against anyone else writing for his own OC's (Ahsoka novel) and demonstrates this in his Tales of the Jedi retcons, yet he'll gladly take another writer's OC (Thrawn) and butcher their character beyond recognition. Filoni has a knack for taking once beloved characters and making them into shells of their former selves to bolster his preferred characters (what he did to Barriss to make Ahsoka look better is a prime example of this). But that's what you have to do when you don't have talent.

[@stephanicrandall7797]

Thanks for pointing out his retcon of the Ahsoka novel.

[@awereal]

I know nothing about Filoni, how did he get into a position of such power in the Star Wars sausage factory?

[@emilianomartorell3587]

@@awereal Something something Lucas. Im actually not too sure. All I know is that the day Filoni was brought aboard into the Lucasfilm fold, the fate of Star Wars was sealed and a new doomed timeline would begin involving orange lady.

[@mikespam8271]

My total memory of rebels was the fight with darth vader ..which was basically fan service anyway

[@vee-bee-a]

40:33 | Oh, ho-ho-ho-ho! Little Platoon, you clever boy. 😏

[@jpeterson9087]

I often just listen to these critiques, but this one...oh this one...I happened to be watching when that gem flashed by. 🙂🙂🙂🤨🧐😳😀😃😄😁😆

[@elenymm]

Platoon, it's 1:30 in the morning. Why now?

[@SgtSabotage]

Because, analytics.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

Why not?

[@katyty1496]

it's 6:45 in the afternoon where I am so I'm happy with the time 😁

[@chriswood1054]

Because its early evening in the States... sorry, but that's probably the reason. Either that, or he just woke up from a drug induced haze and realized he forgot to post it (?)

[@bashkind97]

3 AM 💀

[@TheL0ngbeard]

X-Wing Alliance gets mentioned... oh man, that takes me back... That game is so goddamn good. Remember when SW inspired so many good games, wonder why this era doesn't.

[@AJadedLizard]

It's somewhat gratifying to see, the more exposed Filoni's writing becomes, the more people begin to point out the same flaws in his writing that I've been talking about since TCW first came out. The man is incapable of not wasting his audience's time, he's incapable of not bending the rules of the universe to protect his OCs, and he's incapable of not giving his characters childishly simplistic motivations (just look at the last season of The Mandalorian). He steals other writers' works (he's been doing that since TCW as well, that's why Karen Traviss left Star Wars and went on to write the first good Halo novels), shoves in his action figures, and then tells a worse story. The only reason he's gotten a pass for so long is that most of TCW's viewership didn't know any better because that's a show aimed at children and they never experienced the stories he retconned out of existence (Rex is *literally* John Ostrander's character Alpha from the much better Dark Horse Star Wars Republic comics, Lucas just made him change his name because Filoni had too many characters with names starting with A and no, that's not a joke, that's even listed on both characters' Wookiepedia pages). I've never been able to sit down and watch TCW entirely, in large part because you need one spread sheet to watch it in order *because it never aired that way* and another, separate spreadsheet to skip the copious amounts of filler. He even got greenlit for a final 12 episode season and *still* couldn't resist making a quarter of that filler even fans of the show didn't like. (There's also the fact the pilot episode is 30 minutes of battle droids driving into things while other droids tell them to stop, and I just am not prepared for this level of condescension). This is how he's always been and it's at least gratifying to see more people clue into it. Also, I'd like to note this video had 200 upvotes when I caught the premier and now has 900 more about 90 minutes later. Well done, sir, your checkmark is truly deserved.

[@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775]

That was a big problem with TCW. It was amazing, but it's difficult to tell everybody to watch the episodes in a specific order. It took years for forums to put the order list and try to make the series make more sense for the audience.

[@AJadedLizard]

@@cmedtheuniverseofcmed8775 And that is entirely too much homework for what's at best a mid-tier rehash of better stories. If I want to recommend the Clone Wars Multimedia Project to people, it's pretty easy. I tell them to start with Triple Zero or The Battle of Jabiim or Jedi Trial or even the original Battlefront 2, and when they're done it's pretty obvious where to go from there because there's a handy timeline in basically every book. I don't have to tell them to skip True Colors or MedStar because those took places months earlier or are about completely irrelevant characters.

[@TheOwneroftheIC]

Thank you. I was a kid when the TCW movie came out, I saw it the theater and I walked out mad. Even back then I could tell it was poorly-written and it would try to replace (and it did end up replacing) far better stories, even if my exposure back then was limited to the Battlefront games and the 2003-2005 Clone Wars miniseries. It was hard to voice any criticism of Filoni for years with how rabid and blind his fanbase/prequel-bashers are, and it is really so gratifying to see all of his flaws blow up in these new shows so that people have to acknowledge them. TCW was the beginning of the end of Star Wars, and Filoni is just as culpable in its destruction as Kathleen Kennedy is. Obligatory shout-out to the rat fink and master disinformation spreader Pablo Hidalgo too.

[@AJadedLizard]

@@TheOwneroftheIC I was a teenager when TCW first came out and definitely not its target audience. I thought it was dumb then but it was fine, *my* Star Wars was still around and I knew most of its fans would experience those stories soon enough and see what they were missing out on. Never did I suspect what was already in motion, that Filoni's stories would override what we'd already gotten, the Clone Wars so many of the older fans loved. The thing that always frustrates me is that so many of Filoni's defenders act as if he invented the tone and stories he told, which is just too egregious for words. Even at its darkest Clone Wars was a mere shadow of what other, better, less insulting writers chose to tell, even within the confines of a children's show. Filoni worked on ATLA and it boggles my mind how much more mature that show is than his, just like it boggles my mind how unaware he is of it, when he talks about Ahsoka's arc as if that's the first time it was ever done on a cartoon.

[@danieldevries2644]

I think what is being exposed is that the entire concept of "writing" isn't what it used to be. The goal is to have long "eyes-on" times to show advertisers. I noticed this in S1 of Mando and it only got worse. They weren't trying to tell a story. These shows as "written" are just sequences of visual stimuli designed to make you continue to view more visual stimuli. Same reason why all streaming services are pushing serial shows over movies. We are right to complain about writing quality, and most of us agree, but the producers are three steps ahead. Writing is an archaic concept from an era when audience attention spans were longer.

[@yourdead408]

40:33 : "Luke, did I ever tell you of Ahsoka Tano? She was your fathers exotic Alien apprentice, a fine piece of-"

[@HypK799]

You are clearly wrong. You haters cannot just comprehend the amazing writing of this show. The part that truely cemented this show's legacy is when Hayden stepped into the shot as Anakin once again and told Ashoka that "It's Vadering Time!". That is when I truly knew this show went from good to great, no, great to amazing. Who wants a lousy show like Andor? Politics is boring and doesn't belong in Star Wars! (By the way, isn't it great that the force is female, we have a diverse and inclusive cast, and we talk about how capitalism is bad and pro-slavery?)

[@rustyshackleford9017]

chirrut imwe dedicates his life to the force. can't use it. sabine dedicates 3 episodes after huyang says she has zero connection to the force... wields it just fine

[@ainzer2903]

Qui-gon: Impossible... Chirrut: How?!....😢

[@HolyknightVader999]

A skilled writer can write a story that alludes to previous works, but does not leave newcomers lost. The old Expanded Universe was filled with this, they have cameos and allusions to other EU works; for instance, the Jedi Academy game alludes to the Tales of the Jedi comics when, in the game's plot, the Empire resurrected an ancient Sith from said comics, but the story is written in a way where even if you didn't read the comics, you'd know enough from what the characters in the game say to the point where you'd know that said Sith being resurrected is really bad news. Filoni should've minimized the need for people to know Rebels or TCW, just make it so that the people who watched those shows can see some cute cameos, but make it so that the newbies don't need to have watched the cartoons to understand the main gist of the story. Or, have flashbacks be re-shot in live action, like say, have Ezra and Thrawn's confrontation on Lothal be re-shot in live action so that people understand who Thrawn is, why he's bad news, and how Ezra got rid of him.

[@corruptedsmurf260]

1:24:16 I appreciate that LittlePlatoon used "Champing at the Bit" properly.

[@Neutral_Tired]

I remember seeing some behind the scenes stuff that confirms the scene at the end of episode 2 is intended to be the same moment from the end of Rebels, which did happen after a timeskip. Which means, last time they teamed up and Ahsoka tried to train Sabine, it came out of nowhere, had nothing to do with Ezra and was totally made up for the sake of this show.

[@dallassurbaugh9270]

Yeah I didn't expect them to add rebels characters like we should already know them. I thought it would be like Ashokas introduction in Mado. I thought that was done well

[@samcwyss01]

I went into this show wanting to enjoy it, but it felt like such a chore to get through each episode.

[@olafgurke4699]

You can watch it in triple speed and it's still too slow.

[@Kaweebo]

You’re giving Mauler a run for his money my man lmao

[@McGriddy51095]

i wish they got someone more intimidating to play thrawn. he was legitimately scary to me as a kid reading the Outbound Flight novel. i always pictured thrawn as a chiss of course but in his 30s or early 40s, a intimidating looking sharp featured badass. i also wish we could get someone who loves the IP to make a series about the yuuzhan vong invasion, a action horror series about the yuuzhan vong wars would be so cool.

[@adcharz7105]

Two sighing, stoic women, swap galaxies with an ineffectual blue officer and a man who has grown a beard. That's the elevator pitch for Ahsoka. Ahsoka is the perfect foil to One Piece. Having these shows out side by side really exarcebates the brilliance of one, and the utter creative failure of the other

[@TheManofThings777]

You know, this is just a side note but it's ironic that Disney has made the conscious effort of moving away from the more "dance-like" lightsaber duels of the prequels given the prevalence of female lightsaber users these days. Female actresses would probably have an easier time selling that dance-like style than their male counterparts, and yet Disney insists on having their female fighters duke it out like they're swinging baseball bats.

[@chasehedges6775]

💯👍👍

[@elysiumchaser7799]

What annoys me is they couldve done a story on Ventress/the underbelly of SW during the actual rise of the empire, where the clone wars animated show has a much much larger audience that ties into the movies.

[@thunderleg6605]

"feminine intuition, or witchcraft - but then again, they are the same thing..." oh man, hahaha

[@ngabel8956]

56:20 "On this day several years ago" Strange that you remember the day the Empire was defeated but not the year.

[@MultiKeto]

how did Lando travel to every system in the new republic and convince them to fight the last order (about a million systems at least) in 16 hours. But a prison transport takes more than 2 years?

[@foodstampmafia]

I'm a writer, and I firmly believe that the root cause of the subpar writing lies in a lack of understanding of this fundamental premise. Consider this passage I wrote: 'The crimson red raged forth, in its primordial and ancient beauty, both seducer and judge. That sacredly evil fruit that resists the noble fangs that encroach upon it...' But all they reveal is a f'ing apple. This doesn't feel like art. Art is perfection, and this falls short. They should have pruned away the extraneous elements and crafted a story about humans, not these uninspiring creatures. Humans are vivid and full of life, unlike what's presented here. ---- edited for grammar reasons.

[@emilianomartorell3587]

You probably noticed this, but it annoyed me as someone who enjoys military sci-fi. The show used the army version of the captain rank instead of the naval version for the New Republic ship captain in the first episode. By that I mean, the two dots on his plaque signify he's only one rank above lieutenant (one dot) like an army captain would be. the problem with this is that a naval captain commands way way wayyy more people and is the equivalent of an army colonel. That means the costume designers should have put more pips on his plaque. Instead Filoni being the lazy write that he is made an O-2 the commander of an entire freaking ship, and it is by no means a small ship, which means the only other officers on the ships are lieutenants which to me seems really really stupid. What's sad is they didn't even need to hire a military advisor. All they had to do is google US or UK Navy ranks or something. This may seem like extreme nitpicking but then again, its crazy that this flew over the heads of people are supposed to be "professional" writers. Heck, they didn't even use Wookiepedia.

[@HypK799]

Didn't you know? Only non-fans who make shows that aren't real star wars check wookiepedia for continuity and lore! What an unlearned man you are!

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

Having not seen the show, I’d say why would the rank insignia match those of the US?

[@dearthofdoohickeys4703]

@@donkeysaurusrex7881 because the creator is American, and he used old American war flicks as inspiration. Some of the dogfights from the OT are shot for shot recreations.

[@donkeysaurusrex7881]

@@dearthofdoohickeys4703 That doesn’t seem like a good reason to me especially since you made it up instead of showing how it was a long standing part of the lore.

[@kevinoneil5120]

So I don't inherently have a problem with something being made as a love letter for a niche audience (in this case, those who watched and loved Clone Wars/Rebels), in which things that audience will already know aren't as clearly explained as they would be with an unfamiliar audience in mind. Can it just, I dunno, not suck? Can it just be GOOD?