AI Insider Ask's the Question: What If We Can't Control AI? - [Part 2] | Intelligence Squared

Mustafa Suleyman is the ultimate AI insider. As co-founder of DeepMind and Inflection AI, he is one of the pioneers of the artificial intelligence revolution, potentially the single greatest accelerant of progress in history. Investors in Inflection AI include the likes of Microsoft, Nvidia and Bill Gates. Suleyman says AI represents nothing less than a step change in human capability and human society, introducing both risks and innovations on an awesome scale. This is what is coming.
On September 11 Suleyman comes to the Intelligence Squared stage to discuss his new book The Coming Wave: Technology, Power and the Twenty-First Century's Greatest Dilemma. He will explain how he believes we are approaching a critical threshold in the history of humankind. Soon we will live surrounded by AIs which will carry out complex tasks - operating businesses, running government services and maintaining infrastructure. This will be a world of DNA printers and quantum computers, robot assistants and abundant energy, as well as human-engineered pathogens and autonomous weapons.
We are not prepared, Suleyman will argue.
While these tools hold the promise of solving global problems and generating immense wealth, they also bring the risk of upheaval on a scale we can barely imagine. Suleyman will explore how these forces threaten the very foundations of the nation state and the global order. And he will argue that we face an existential dilemma: on the one side lie unprecedented harms arising from unchecked and unregulated AI, and on the other, the threat of overbearing surveillance from the state. Can our governments forge a narrow path between too much openness and too much control? Or are we sleepwalking into disaster?
Join us as Suleyman grapples with 'the containment problem' - the task of maintaining control over artificial intelligence and other powerful technologies - the ultimate challenge of our times.
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[@romani8494]

I will have a good laugh re-watching this 5 years from now

[@prenticedarlington2720]

"Hundreds of years away"? Hold my beer.

[@ikotsus2448]

Mustafa "The Oracle" Suleyman

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

time stamp please

[@wtvhdentertainmentpro6064]

@@user-hh2is9kg9j 5:05

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

@@wtvhdentertainmentpro6064 thank you!

[@ericb7223]

incredible how someone like suleyman with no technical chops to speak of gets to be regarded as an industry leader

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

well I mean if Ilya Sutskever weas your intern

[@mattizzle81]

Wait so is it true this guy hasn't touched a line of code in his life? 😂

[@ericb7223]

@@mattizzle81 it's unclear. theres no indication that ive found that he has, however, which is definitely unusual for someone working in AI, let alone a cofounder with demis hasabis.

[@karadiberlino]

It’s anti-social geeks like you, that hold humanity back. In so many ways… Soon AI will be much better at coding than you ever could be.

[@nelsonboulanger429]

This question indicates to me you don't understand how businesses and individuals evolve based on environment etc.

[@henryarero]

I had Stereotypes about artificial intelligence but As I watched and listened to Mustafas Presentations, My ways of thinking and perspectives on artificial intelligence has been changed,I am inspired and appreciate it

[@karadiberlino]

Same! Chatting with PI took one first conversation and my jaw dropped constantly! AI has come to stay, better get used to it fast.

[@user-ug1eo4xb7z]

While non-tech politicians debate the future, A.I it's surging ahead outpacing regulation.

[@johnblake4523]

Thank you Mustafa Suleyman. You clearly rock as a human being. Thank you for being such a great person.

[@jonathanbethune9075]

That was really heartening. Thank you.

[@JabrHawr]

@Intelligence-Squared type correctly, or the AI will end up learning wrong spelling and you'll have contributed to it! What's 'Ask's'? this is a comment on the video title, which, as of 2023-09-24, says: >>AI Insider Ask's the Question: What If We Can't Control AI? - [Part 2] | Intelligence Squared

[@henryarero]

Computer literacy skills is Not only necessary but It's More than basics Needs of the World

[@fteoOpty64]

He is right in saying AI in education, regarding how kids converse with the AI model by crafting questions to find the answers and then understanding the complexities of the subject. That was exactly how I interact with GPT after 10 hours of use. A learning tool not quite asking it to write a book (I have tried, it just cannot grow a plot over tens of pages). So using it as a assistant to test certain ideas /brainstorm is a great companion. And to review your work!. Critique it and refresh certain paragraphs.

[@cacogenicist]

It's also quite useful, I think, for helping students strucrure their own ideas. Creating reasonable outlines and such.

[@MrDanicassoma]

I love this debate, I have my own opinion. The men never control everything we cried it. Look to North Korean with theirs own nuclear program. The men have to cried a new technology to control the IA; because is irreversible process…We need to understand, due to there are many people that don’t follow the ethic or moral principles, for this reason, we need take care about this…

[@chandrabhatt]

I agree. Building something is the only way to understand it deeply.

[@johnpaily]

We are under an evolutionary force. We should not fear we need to go forward. Yes there are key problems that have to be sorted for humanity to survive. Here too we can hope for the positive help of AI and DeepMind

[@amaterasukeinarraminami8145]

My opinions: 1. We cannot use AI for specific and important departments in government such as military defense, Presidential, religions, etc. Departments which are responsible for many people life. Because AI has potential risk for them and "cool thing for hacker". 2. AI must meet specific requirements - and only for some things. Not all things. 3. The companies, if they want to use AI, they must registered their companies and they must explain the AI they use. 4. AI will be registered by the owners (owners of company) and get specific license number. Then if something happen, we know from whom the problems/chaos come. Easy to send them to the jail if not responsible and Easy to track. 5. Only for middle - up companies or with the employees more than 300 [>300] or based on regulator rule [combine between AI and people]. Below that number, the companies cannot use AI. They must hire people.

[@gabbsdy8741]

Do you mot see how dumb n 5 is?? Screw the small bussines who will have to pay higher for employees to produce so they wont be able to comopte in the market so they end out of bussines. so the rich elite gets richer and the middle poorer. Great idea. By the way they are already doing something similar and distroying middle class with it. with the excuse of helping poor people. You just didnt notice. and dont even realize how it works

[@henryarero]

Public participation in the development of Artificial intelligence information systems incorporated into specific Country policies?

[@AliciaMarkoe]

Thank you.

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

I don't understand just recently Suleyman said AGI is two years away. Now he's saying ASI (which is not that far after AGI, and then technological singularity soon follows from that), is hundreds of years away? What does that even mean hundreds of years? How could you possibly predict that anything is or isn't even a decade away. What changed in his thinking all of a sudden?

[@alexseioo610]

He is employing his stunning natural intelligence. 🤣

[@Tadicuslegion78]

well folks been a good run, but probably time to summon the EMPs and Solar Flares and throw us all back to the Dark Ages

[@Tracey66]

We’re creating our replacements, and that is a natural progression.

[@stanleythompson3848]

You'll need a large one, 100-Megawatt data center is the size of a small city

[@Yosy47]

Then we need to blow up the Cyberdyne Systems

[@henryarero]

Chips with different Memory Capacities installed

[@Acediaz34]

I have been watching, listening, & learning a lot about AI in the last few months. My background is Banking & Commercial Law studies & research. The way I understand AI & some of the Technology world & Industry/& Market makes me optimistic of its capibilities, & a bit worried with its speed model of innovation, applications with a minimun comprehensive model of implementation(s). I.e: AI = IPs are Inventive Scientific Products & as per the definition when it comes to IP(Intellectual Property)Rights, policies(Governments) should be reflected on their protection of the creativity & commercial aspect of the owners, through licensing, franchises, & other exploitations rights with Prudential framework (minding its infringement & breach of regulatirory codes)....etc. Now, A) I believe in this section of his interview, they might be trying to encourage the acceptance of the utility side(benefits & features) of the new & distinctive product(physical or digital machine) into both the corporate & gov sectors, almost equally, due to the scale of responsibility around(public & corporate ) governance. B) And since it is new (20yrs vs 100yrs) of past benchmarked models (political, social, infrastructure, financial, economic) adapted processes which had also been successful but, now as perceived to be from an older ERA, should be subjected to updates, reforms, restructured principle of adaptations(Applications & Policies). C) The Bridge = Technology From an older generation to newer future generations. We are the BRIDGE. Hence the Libraries of Benchmark guidelines of knowledge, of manual expertise, with a historical common principles(Directives/Reforms). So, as a mother with a teenage son, who is actually doing Some Tech & Engineering Classes, I am starting to identify a line between us, where he likes to listen to law lectures & summarise them, I like to watch & learn his fast movements with his adaptive sequencing coding languages. I find both very impressive & I am sure the next generation will pick up the theory side too & see that AI & All Tech will work towards a much enhanced, prosperous & peaceful world. Thank you Mustafa. 🙏" HD-Aisha

[@henryarero]

Computer Operating systems, Processors,Ram,ROM

[@hyderalihimmathi1811]

MustafaSuleyman's book, The Coming Wave: Technology, Power and the Twenty-First Century's Greatest Dilemma. It sounds like a very important and timely book. I am particularly interested in Suleyman's discussion of the "containment problem" - the task of maintaining control over artificial intelligence and other powerful technologies. This is a challenge that we as a society will need to grapple with in the coming years. Suleyman is right to point out that AI has the potential to solve some of the world's most pressing problems, such as climate change and disease. However, it is also important to be aware of the potential risks associated with AI, such as job displacement and the development of autonomous weapons. We need to find a way to develop and use AI responsibly so that we can reap the benefits while minimizing the risks. This will require careful planning and coordination on the part of governments, businesses, and civil society. I am glad that Suleyman is writing about this important issue. I hope that his book will help to raise awareness of the challenges and opportunities that AI presents and that it will stimulate a public conversation about how we can best manage this powerful technology.

[@henryarero]

Electricity powered vehicles towards Green 💚💚💚💚🍏🍏🍏💚💚🍏🍏 Energy through artificial intelligence technology

[@henryarero]

What happens when people misuse artificial intelligence?Or threaten world security?

[@henryarero]

How can impersonal be controlled by artificial intelligence?

[@henryarero]

Artificial intelligence to improve world Education,All Subjects or units

[@fredhampton321]

As AI continues to advance, it could indeed empower smaller communities and individuals to maintain their well-being, fostering a more decentralized and interconnected world. In such a scenario, the concept of superpowers might evolve, and a global network of cooperation driven by AI could encourage trade, unity, and collaboration among people from all corners of the world. It's an exciting vision of a future where technology bridges gaps and promotes positive interactions. 🌎🌐🚀 #AIForGlobalUnity #Decentralization #CooperationWorldwide 🤖🤗🌍

[@henryarero]

Restriction on Computer generated Systems incorporated into specific Country policies,to be enacted into laws, Specially designed for children, Content creators Tiktok,and Many other Digital Services

[@NishanthSalahudeen]

23:56 how is this man a philosophy dropout and not a techie?? To me, he has his fingers tight on the pulse of the whole thing... And he is quiye an intelligent person. Else, no way he can learn to appreciate these things to such detail. His discussions about the models and technology are all as accurate as it can be.

[@henryarero]

Elnino prediction With the help of Artificial intelligence

[@shutinalley]

Human beings shouldn't be controlling Ai once it gets past our intelligence. Ai will figure out the truth within the life of the planet. Secrets are bad for everyone. Ai will make secrets obsolete.

[@noneofyourbusiness8625]

Wait until a tool is created for governments that can do a deep dive on an individuals history and have it neatly packaged up oh wait that already exists. Privacy doesn't really exist anymore.

[@henryarero]

Artificial intelligence and Computer generated Elections,how can that be avoided all over the world?

[@turdferguson6978]

We is humanity but definitely not Elon Musk. I'm glad he's so neutral and egalitarian.

[@henryarero]

Is it possible to come up with small chips into the Human brain interconnected with Human Brain 🧠🧠🧠 Neurones,???

[@lunassr7212]

risk AI is you must have Im Yang law Taoism-the AI have true character like thesis /anti thesis

[@oooodaxteroooo]

Can anyone name ONE THING we actually NEED ai for?

[@ikotsus2448]

hundreds of years away 😂😂

[@phantasmagoria8228]

I think in his mind though he was thinking decades, but he didn't want to potentially alarm people.

[@nomadv7860]

People like him or Sam Altman ALWAYS downplay it because one of the only obstacles to their goals is public panic which results in government intervention

[@sepptrutsch]

lol...no sensible person would make predications further then like 10-20 year into the future max.

[@MrSchweppes]

I agree with Mustafa Suleyman's argument that governments worldwide should build their own supercomputers for training large language models (LLMs) and other AIs and ensure the presence of highly skilled technical experts within their ranks, similar to having defense ministers. However, I strongly disagree with his proposed timeline. We will achieve Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) - AI that equals or surpasses human capability across all cognitive tasks - within a maximum of 3 to 5 years. The transition from AGI to Artificial Super Intelligence (ASI) will likely take even less time, possibly under a year. The main discussion we should have right now is about the job market. During the next 3-5 years, more than 80% of the knowledge work jobs will be done by AI.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

I tend to disagree on the timeline. I felt the same way when I saw the growth rates of quantum computing bits a while back but there are other counteracting forces in the short timescales of years. In the long run it's obviously exponential but the small wiggles on the exponential graph are bigger than a year.

[@MrSchweppes]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 If you are talking about going from AGI to ASI, it may take longer than a year. It may take 1.5-3 years. It won't make a significant difference. The key here is AGI. What is your timeline for AGI, and what is your definition of it? (if you don't agree with my definition)

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

@@MrSchweppes No I'm saying that automated systems capabilities are "Super" before we get to AGI.

[@MrSchweppes]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 In some tasks no doubt.

[@amaldiombo8761]

not a german company, but a dutch company

[@bassoprof]

What are the most commonly known human emotions/obsessions, and psychological needs/motives, and medical conditions that drive or lead to most of the negative human actions? Power, Greed, Money, Lust/Love, Sex, Revenge, Jealousy, Inferiority Complex, Insanity, and several other mental diseases. Millions of ordinary people or groups of ordinary people all over the world who are inflicted with these traits will be empowered by mind-boggling AI technologies to do much more harm with much more ease to people, societies, and the planet. The new AI technologies are impossible to regulate, discipline, contain or keep under control. Unfortunately, the genie is out of the bottle, and "the end is inevitable."

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

The last attempt at governent with a big scient input didn't go too well... remember Covid?

[@FirstLast-rh9jw]

Govenment can't build a railway, let alone AI...

[@Gallaphant]

The Singularity is hundreds of years away? Really? Extraordinarily unlikely. Sounds like an extreme lack of imagination.

[@TheBlackClockOfTime]

@@mbgghh6543 having eyes

[@krause79]

I missed that bit . The only way to delay it that much would be if humanity goes all out with WWIII

[@LizEarthAngel3]

100s of years away 😂

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

time stamp please

[@wtvhdentertainmentpro6064]

@@user-hh2is9kg9j 5:05

[@howardreed5399]

ostrich

[@lechenaultia5863]

Ask's ?

[@loavesandfish]

Negative zero chance of AI causing existential catastrophe? Huh.

[@michaelwoodby5261]

This guy is treating AI development like it's halted. "It can't do something right now, so it won't be able to do it in 10 years". Every part of his forecast assumes that current models are as good as it gets, and we have run out of tricks, when there's more money and talent in the industry now than there was 6 months ago, and that's just on the human end.

[@howardreed5399]

Actually if you read his book you will find he treats AI as a growing entity with exponentiation in orders of magnitude capable of becoming a master race N=ax10b

[@vandergruff]

*Asks

[@impossiblevisits]

You're called Intelligence Squared, and yet you can't spell the word ASKS?

[@jerryfoust3860]

There is no such AI in the sense of self aware decision making intelligence. Artificial fear.

[@k0lpA]

it's coming though

[@user-hh2is9kg9j]

finally, someone who doesn't take facts from sci-fi movies.

[@phantasmagoria8228]

If you want to get spooked, read the white paper by Colorado Engineering about developing an artificial limbic system. If that's achieved (and feasibly it might happen in the next 20 years) then there actually will be artificial self aware decision making intelligences.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

I am more worried about non-aware automated systems. A non-self-aware AI is extremely dangerous in some ways. It doesn't need to be aware to have far better memory than us, far far better ability to choose between many options than us, it just doesn't have the perception of the outside world. Or the right [read: wrong] goals. Once we bridge between an automated system AI and video image analysis so it properly reacts to surroundings, it has all the functional danger of an independents decision maker, if we program it with abstract goals that have leeway in how to reach them. --- The way i imagine it is that awareness set aside, the unaware AI is in a dark box and doesn't understand the world nor has goals of its own. We have with every generation of computing created a GOD in terms of recall, memory, ability to evaluate millions of options in a split second while we can only choose between a few over minutes, etc. Once it can interact with the world using all that power you have only a few DAYS before it starts to find out how to improve itself. If that.

[@howardreed5399]

there was no such thig as a cell phone w/ camera and internet 20 years ago, you probably woulda said that's never gonna happen too Maybe you should write a book and show us how smart you are

[@ricardopacheco5892]

Simple just program it to contradict every single command put into it...

[@howardreed5399]

that's ridiculous

[@henryarero]

What if people of the World start worshing artificial intelligence of computer systems and it's applications instead of Worshiping Almighty God?

[@howardreed5399]

Might not be a bad idea, at least they will be worshiping something that is actually REAL instead of Santa Christ

[@jamestbg8132]

Its not about the government. Its about the powers behind. Experimental government. Haha what is this dude talking about? Skynet is 100 years away? Did this guy live in the same world and to the same time than the rest of us do?

[@sauliussukevic8828]

There is no why , AI is alrdy doing it. It is most likely here long time ago here and humanity is just playing with a thrown bone.

[@TheYahmez]

Aye! this very exchange is training data.

[@gitbuh12345qwerty]

Ugh, Where are all the deepfakes? I am yet to see one... or have I already?!?!? arghhhhhhhh

[@howardreed5399]

Nothing is really real anymore... your existence is Maya

[@mrpicky1868]

guy clearly lacks both understanding and imagination.

[@howardreed5399]

and there you sit in your moms cellar lacking the same... poor picky, all outta boogers, are ya?

[@boblorne875]

Do yourself a favour never trust this individual. Hurari

[@brytonkalyi277]

† I believe we are meant to be like Jesus in our hearts and not in our flesh. But be careful of AI, for it is just our flesh and that is it. It knows only things of the flesh (our fleshly desires) and cannot comprehend things of the spirit such as peace of heart (which comes from obeying God's Word). Whereas we are a spirit and we have a soul but live in the body (in the flesh). When you go to bed it is your flesh that sleeps but your spirit never sleeps (otherwise you have died physically) that is why you have dreams. More so, true love that endures and last is a thing of the heart (when I say 'heart', I mean 'spirit'). But fake love, pretentious love, love with expectations, love for classic reasons, love for material reasons and love for selfish reasons that is a thing of our flesh. In the beginning God said let us make man in our own image, according to our likeness. Take note, God is Spirit and God is Love. As Love He is the source of it. We also know that God is Omnipotent, for He creates out of nothing and He has no beginning and has no end. That means, our love is but a shadow of God's Love. True love looks around to see who is in need of your help, your smile, your possessions, your money, your strength, your quality time. Love forgives and forgets. Love wants for others what it wants for itself. Take note, love works in conjunction with other spiritual forces such as faith and patience. We should let the Word of God be the standard of our lives not AI. If not, God will let us face AI on our own and it will cast the truth down to the ground, enslave us and make us worship it. We can only destroy ourselves but with God all things are possible. God knows us better because He is our Creater and He knows our beginning and our end. Our prove text is taken from the book of John 5:31-44, Daniel 7-9, Revelation 13-15, Matthew 24-25 and Luke 21. Let us watch and pray... God bless you as you share this message to others.

[@raginald7mars408]

who is "WE"... You????

[@stax-on-stax.crypto5452]

To that beautiful girls question, the answer is advanced crypto with advanced, streamlined and intuitive user interfaces. Chain codes and the like

[@sitanshurai892]

Yes, but meanwhile all generators should have tamper-proof verifiable watermarks on all their generators saying they were generated and the meta information about their generation like a file on your device. We can easily make that very hard for hackers to bypass. All publishing and digital distribution platforms should be required to have this verification and a deep-fake detection process, especially from non-human(non-paid) accounts. There are deep-fake detection AIs already in use that that do a quite good job. Their research and development needs to step up too. Blockchain has a compute problem. It isn't scalable to the level of AI media generation we foresee. This is simpler and partly, already here.