AI Replacing Musicians, Including Me (Suno, Udio)... Boring Video

[@tony.worswick]

You made some interesting points 👍 Love the Picard reference btw. The gardening thing is a good idea ...make it sow

[@Ceolskog]

Hahaha, make it sow, that's a good one.

[@kimberleymaria5382]

Aww Adam you should do a series on all these topics. So much to talk about! Gardening would be a great choice for you. Maybe you could do ‘how to’ videos for people like me who wouldn’t know where to start. I’m glad you’re not packing in the hiking videos. Sorry you’ve not had the best year. You’re due some good luck! Keep your chin up 💪🏻

[@Ceolskog]

Yeh that's a good idea. Those guys have cleared plenty of space for a veggie garden at our flat now.

[@TheBrettWilson]

Interesting rant Adamski. I'll tread carefully, but the big thing that stood out to me was "Why bother making music/hiking videos, when anyone can do that?" This implies that your main motivation behind those things, prior to AI, was due to less people being able to do those things. It was more of a special skill (which is true). But now that anyone can, your desire to do them has dropped. I would like to think that your love for music/hiking is the reason why any kind of "product" exists in the first place and that AI could never kill that love. I make music coz I love it and I'm quite good at it. The fact that other people are far better than me, get way more clicks or likes than me, or that AI can do it without years of practice has never made me say "Oh well, I guess I'll stop doing that now." I can relate to uneasy feelings towards AI, but I can't relate to the idea of it killing my love for music and making me put the tools down. I also can't relate to your 60-30-10 ratio. If I did music mainly for the sake of others (60%) then I would have given up ages ago. Not sure what my ratio is. Maybe 90% for me? 10% for others (otherwise I probably wouldn't be visible online)? Again, my love for music is the driving factor. Zero likes, comments and subscribes won't change that.

[@Ceolskog]

Excellent points Brett, thank you. Actually, I'd go further and say I think you've hit the nail on the head. I thought that if anyone could make me sit back and reconsider my position, you'd be the man, so to speak, which is why I went and found you... creepy, huh? Haha. I was probably feeling a little melodramatic during the recording of this video, I have a tendency towards that and then feel a bit silly later. "I can relate to uneasy feelings towards AI, but I can't relate to the idea of it killing my love for music and making me put the tools down". "I would like to think that your love for music/hiking is the reason why any kind of "product" exists in the first place and that AI could never kill that love". Yeh, you're correct. When you put it that way, my love for hiking and music just for the sake of them in their own right, existed long before I decided to share any of it with others online anyway. So it's a little ridiculous to want to throw in the towel, just because making music is less of a special skill than what it once was, thanks to AI. Truth be told, most of the covers and folk songs I ended up recording started out as me playing to myself in my room, the sole reason being I just liked doing it. I loved the novelty that I was playing old folk songs or Leonard Cohen covers with heavily distorted power chords instead of acoustic strumming. That was the fun part, didn't matter that nobody else was listening (actually that was preferable). I didn't even care about wanting to get them recorded and online, at least not until later, and to be honest I don't get too much pleasure out of the recording process anyway. Certainly not as much as I did just noodling around. And most of the hiking footage I've taken doesn't even end up on KZbin anyway, I just store it so I can come back occasionally on a rainy day, and enjoy the memories I captured. I read your comment this afternoon and spent a few hours pondering it. I realised that maybe I have developed a certain mindset after I spent my formative years around people who could be considered "conservative hyper-masculine" types. A mindset that could be over-simplified to: "If you're not doing something that contributes to society, you're not worth anything to it". That mindset probably still permeates my approach to life, really. (Probably why I still feel guilty if I sit down to watch television instead of doing housework). I remember when I went to study at Vision, a lot of my church friends and workmates were saying: "Studying music? Oh, cool. But... where's that gonna get you in life? How does that pay the bills?" I would say "Oh, I just want to study it, but I'll pick up a trade or something after I've studied". Haha! (Never ended up picking up a trade though... dammit). Yeh I guess the ratio I gave is pretty odd. I won't lie and say it's the same as yours, but really it's probably about halfway in between that and the 60-30-10 ratio I spat out in the video. Maybe 35-60-5, I don't know, haha. Anyway, I actually feel better now! I'll keep a watch out for more of your videos! Great to hear from you, and all the best.

[@TheBrettWilson]

​@@Ceolskog I'm truly humbled by your reply, Adam. 🙏 I think you'll really love this AI kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaW5nKGYrd-hbbMsi=0PZ-sILs949hhnuN

[@Ceolskog]

Haha!

[@iangray7904]

Make music , grind it out. Fight and battle to make riffs and melodies. Do it because it’s hard. If people like it great, if they don’t then whatever. It’s the process to create that gives music its worth. The more the struggle the more value it has. Michael Angelo’s statue of David is amazing not just because it’s perfect but because he made it with the most primitive of tools. If he made it with a push of a button on a C&C machine it suddenly becomes hollow. This is A.I. It’s soul is empty Have a think about the desire to make music for others. The 60%. If you strip it back, the ego is the driving force for this. Let go of ego and suddenly the creative spirit makes more sense. I don’t know how your video came up in my thread, anyway all the best. Hope you figure this out

[@kimberleymaria5382]

Ps I’m just watching nature fellow on TikTok, he’s filming sunrise in Christchurch. You guys live in the most beautiful place on this earth I swear.

[@Ceolskog]

Might have to look him up, although I still don't really understand how to use TikTok.

[@kimberleymaria5382]

Haha you’d love him he’s like the kiwi David Attenborough.

[@DesmondsDonders]

Catching up after an unexpected journey. AI music could never replicate the nuances of real live music, I hope.

[@Ceolskog]

The tech industry will probably still find a way to do it.

[@twankzoid]

Not boring 👌 very interesting POV on Ai 😁

[@JimTimber]

I had an idea years ago for an AI desktop robot (shaped like a mushroom) called 'Ask Johnson' lol.. ..''Oi ! Johnson !.. what shall we to do this weekend ??'' lol.. 😂🤣 I'm glad that it never came to fruition .. because that little head bar steward would have got my big head into bigger trouble !! 😂🤣 I hope you start playing again bro !! ..you need to advertise for the right band !! I live for live music !! ..wonderful !! ..and your sound is superb !! Yeah ..computers are taking over the world asylum ..but ..hey ! I want one of those Stepford wife bots !! lol 😉😁 ..Have I got a list of chores for her !! lol

[@Ceolskog]

Maybe a vacuum cleaner with an AI installed that runs by itself, also doubles as a weed eater?

[@ruspj]

the good thing for artists is that 90% of people listen to something fimiliar and popular that they know and that others are listening to. i think it will hit record company profits rather than the actual artists. the vast majority proffesional musicians make more money from live performances rather than record sales where as what record companies pass on to them is pathetic. people go to live performances as much for the atmosphere and comeradary as for the music. if anything the charts could be flooded with fake tallentless artists miming to AI generated music, but thats already been accepted and been hapening for years with autotune.

[@Ceolskog]

Thanks for your thoughts. True, the charts have always been flooded with people with little talent who got by on their looks or connections. But with AI there will be an unprecedented number, and it will have the ability to flood into the more underground scenes as well, not just the top of the charts sort of stuff. It's happening in folk metal, for example.

[@ervinslens]

Haha love the title and it’s not boring at all.

[@Ceolskog]

Tack! I guess maybe "lacking direction" might be more accurate description that "boring", haha.

[@WyeExplorer]

Numerous songs in days, no human input so much and as good. Well, I know when I'm listening to techno even that I like to know who the producer is. If it's a machine purely I simply couldn't relate. There will be a market but it won't be for all Adam. It's a bit like marmite mate. Re-value, you're vlogging and sharing some interesting thoughts bro. All the best. Mark

[@Ceolskog]

Thanks Mark. It's certainly making me reevaluate things. I don't know much about techno, but I do know someone is working using their own compositional abilities to make it. They're not just typing keywords into an algorithm for a fully completed result within 20 minutes.

[@WyeExplorer]

@@Ceolskog A pleasure Adam. I agree mate - the composition coming from the human. So much more value.

[@alienscientist8893]

Mate look after yourself,, society is not worth contributing too.. Play to yourself and anyone who likes it,, but it's for you,, you get much better as soon as you realise this.. I've been playing 40 years,, now when seone asks me to play I tell them,, no way,, society was prepared to pin me down and inject me with snake oil 3 years ago,, society can go fk off.. I only play to them that deserve to hear it..

[@TheCostelloChronicles]

That lifted my spirits dude

[@JimTimber]

I have found that with the careful application of weed killer.. a garden will not grow !! 😉😁

[@Ceolskog]

Yep. It's all been pulled out by hand... until it grows back... then pulled out again...!

[@Jonnydea]

Ahhh dude, you clearly haven’t been on udio yet! 😂😂 Now you can make a song in 5 mins and some are actually very good lol, producer of 11 years here 😂 RIP to us 😂👊🏻

[@Ceolskog]

Clearly? I don't have to actually use it to know I'm the old model and out of date. Udio might be what the nice AI bro I was talking to uses, but it probably takes him longer than 5 mins because he's writing his own poetry and putting AI music to it. (That's also probably why he was nice to me, he understands creativity). Yeh, RIP to musicians and producers, all those in creative fields, and beyond. I saw a stat somewhere that over half of humanity's jobs are at risk. Everyone will get bored of music eventually, because anybody can do it. Shopping centres will make their own annoying jingles to constantly play songs about their great deals. I'm going to have to start wearing earplugs. Time for me to try to become a farmer. It's not the AI I want to get away from, it's the lazy greedy humans and the way they chose to use it. Can't imagine I would have much competition from the tech bros for those outside sort of jobs once they lose their programming jobs to AI.

[@veehope2702]

Ok I'm going to jump out the window now.

[@Ceolskog]

Sheesh, don't do that...

[@veehope2702]

@@Ceolskog Don't worry I live on the ground floor anyway.

[@Ceolskog]

Oh, you were just popping out for some milk and a loaf of bread

[@JimTimber]

@@veehope2702 🤣🤣 ..use the mattress on the grass !!

[@theoutbreaker666]

Man, I gotta say your pessimism and constant excuses you make to yourself and camera about why you’re not in a live band are wild. “From what I understand nobody goes to live shows, just stadiums” - what? How would you know? You work every weekend and can’t take a single day of holiday to find out? Check out your local theatres, venues - go and see what’s up - don’t expect what’s up to come find you, you’ve gotta go get it, make it, fix it, do it.

[@Ceolskog]

Man, I gotta say you're making some assumptions here, and you weren't really listening. I never said I hadn't been to live shows myself, did I? As you would say, "How would you know?" I just that I hadn't played any. I also never said I would never play in a live band again, I just listed the difficulties in doing so, and I was feeling down at the time. But it was a rather minor point anyway, this video was mainly about how AI is replacing me as a recording artist. Sure, I should have been more clear that I was talking about playing original songs that people don't know. The shows I have been for local bands, only the cover bands really seem to play regularly. (My sister is in a jazz band, for example). Bands playing originals seem to struggle to attract an audience, at least that seems to be the case in my city. It's not like I haven't gone looking to make a band. I have put out a fair few ads for band members over the years, but besides a couple of drummers, I usually get emails back along the lines of: "I'm not interested in joining a band to play your music, but my covers band is looking for a singer". You're probably going to reply with "why don't you join one of them then", which is true, but not the point I made in the video. Musicians in my country aren't really interested in playing my style.

[@PoltergeistHC4L]

You definitely belong in the cretive environment, so how about some editing or going into design? I did a personality test and just picked the most apeeling one. Have a good life!

[@Ceolskog]

All creative fields are being replaced, not just music. That's why I'm thinking of looking into specialised physical labour jobs, like farming or horticulture. I get to be outside too.