AIKIDO - Lenny Sly and Corky Quakenbush Training PART - 1 | Soft v.s Hard style

Hi everyone, this is the video you've all been waiting for. This is Lenny Sly and Corky Quakenbush training part 1. This video was interesting because of the different view points that both of these sensei have on aikido. They agreed on a few things and disagreed on some as well. Part 2 of this epic meet will be uploaded by corky on his channel and the conversation we also had will be upload by tom madigan on his channel shortly.
I will also post the conversation and part 2 of the training after they have posted it. Although i will post those in a few weeks. I hope you enjoy the video and please subscribe and help support the RogueWarriors channel.

[@ronpolaco3773]

Thank you again Lenny for demonstrating what is the problem with so many western Aikido instructors. Corky clearly has never been in a real brawl. And his Aikido is lacking do to it. I am ex military and I have been practicing Aikido for over 10 years. I started my own dojo one year ago and Lenny's truth can be seen on the mat just as Shibata Shihan from Berkeley Aikikai when he destroys student after student without breaking a sweat. The years I trained under Okuyama Shihan of Abq, Shibata Shihan of Berkeley, and Kurita Shihan of Mexico city proved to me that most Aikido around the world is lacking on so many levels. However when done correctly it is effortlessly powerful and destructive when need be. Lenny keep walking the path of truth my brother!

[@oliverschindler583]

"i can now punch you in the face" seems to be the only argument lenny seems to make. And why not, he is strong, fast and if punching people in the face is your only concern then yes lenny is the guy to go with. Corky's argument is a little more subtle, but he is not negating what lenny says in the slightest, he is merely pointing out another layer. But again, you can make aikido whatever you want it to be. But note that if you read the founders texts, there is very little "punching people in the face" rationale, just saying....

[@TheWolfTraining179]

Can we just appreciate what a badass uke Rob is? Like damn that guy has great ukemi and can take HARD hits!!

[@jamieoliver7947]

Truth!

[@renegalindo2000]

Thanks for the video ! Is amazing and has a lot of good information I have practiced aikido for 30 years and personally I don't practice aikido as a martial art because I don't fight with anyone! For me aikido is more like a meditation thing! But I love this video because Lenny's aikido is really amazing his teachnique is beautiful, and Corky is a very good friend of mine we practiced for like 10 years together his aikido is beautiful too ! Thanks Tom , Lenny and Corky for the video!

[@lucamalatesta4585]

Hi. I understand Quakenbush Sensei point of view because in my country a lot of Sensei teach this way: soft, center but in my opinion is not enough. Aikido is always a Martial Art and need also speed resistance and martial concept. and when i see Lenny Sly Sensei answer or explain about the difference i completely agree with him. Sure the soft or the hard way are aikido, depend from what you search, i started with the soft way, but after see Lenny SLy Sensei video i understand that need something MARTIAL in our discipline and in my way try to follow him. Thanks and Ciao from Italy

[@sambarris9843]

I enjoyed the yin-yang of this. I first came to aikido when I was training to lead VBSS teams in the Middle East and thought that a blending art offered a better answer to a Tueller Drill scenario than what I'd seen elsewhere. I knew I'd be working in extremely close quarters, and would never be able to count on that 21 feet they say you'll need. I came back to it after leaving active duty because I fell in love with it, and because I will be perfectly happy to go the rest of my life without harming another living soul (the occasional salmon or pheasant excluded). In short, I think there's a time and a place for both approaches. If deescalation is an option, the gentle subtlety of Quakenbush Sensei's approach could be quite useful. If not, Sly Sensei's command of speed, surprise, and violence of action might be absolutely necessary. I don't think either man's approach is wrong, or quite complete either. Budo enhances your ability to face life in general, and 99.9% of that will not require violence (your numbers may vary slightly). But on the rare occasion violent action is called for, nothing less will do. Noble goals like restoring equilibrium and protecting an opponent from unnecessary harm might require putting him on the ground quickly and without a lot of foreplay. In short, I think I could learn a lot from both men. I hope my travels take me within striking range of their dojos someday. I'll make time for a visit. :-)

[@TheMoodyedge]

Whenever I hear the term "Soft" mentioned anywhere near aikido i just want to vomit.

[@kingofaikido]

Hey congrats for arranging this most interesting meeting. I get the possible confusion as I come from a background which includes both perspectives. Basically, you are both right. If I may elaborate why. When Corky talks about (and does) consistent center targeted attacking (slow or fast), he is actually stretching out the time, so that the attacking vector is clearer to tori, and so making the defense against it clearer and more 'natural' if you like. It's definitely a way of learning that can produce fast results. I say this because studies have shown that when you go slow (as odd as it sounds) you end up being more conscious of where your body parts are in space and realize the subtle adjustments you need to make to accommodate the attack even at slow motion. To do the same thing then at faster speeds requires exactly the same number of internal adjustments. (Internal training is about reducing the number of such internal adjustment to the minimum - therefore, resulting in more efficient technique). We all know that in boxing and in wrestling, we all do drills, and we all know that the drills aren't the 'real' thing but they are nonetheless essential parts of the 'real' thing. To be honest, even getting in the ring or sparring at different intensities are still simulations of real things and not the real thing itself. But that's a different issue and gets into philosophical territory you guys haven't even begun to address. (I don't mean airy-fairy philosophy...I mean the philosophy of warfare and strategy... there is a vast difference in approach between East and West in general. Between the Western idea of a fair fight - a full-on clash and the Eastern idea of the fight that's ended before it's begun...or to state it alternatively, guerilla warfare, where you don't see where the enemy is at...in short, deliberately "blindsiding" attacks, as in the saying by Sun Tzu "Appear in the East, attack in the West"....). For me, the crux of your arguments come through at 21:10 mins. Here, Lenny objects to the so called 'consistent' (feeding energy) kind of attack on the grounds that it's less realistic. "No one attacks that way, in my experience." And, he's kind of half-right. I don't mean to disparage. Please bear with me. I tend to think you guys are talking about two different phases of the same thing. I have written about this in my upcoming book but we really do have two rhythms to our movements. Like all animals have different gaits. We have mainly two: walking and running (OK, I will grant you 'bounding' as well). Each of these has its own rhythm. One is slow, the other one fast. And each has a separate rhythm. Now, you can also go staccato, which is what Lenny is talking about. Most competitive sport fighting is done this way. It's combinations and no long attacks that can easily be trapped. Having said that, I think both approaches complement each other. You have to walk before you can run. By understanding things at slow speeds, and knowing then what your body needs to do to adjust or to redirect the attacker...you can then move onto staccato. In any case, there's little point in doing staccato before you know what it is you have to do. Truth be told, although there are random attacks, as Lenny described, that appear to shoot out of nowhere...usually there's lead up time...words are exchanged, there's been some shoving or bumping. There's a middle range if you like between walking speed and running. In fact, if you really analyze it down...you can't have an object travelling at 100 k per hour without starting somewhere like zero. Aikido, in my view, looks at all speeds fast and slow, and even goes deeper to the psychological impulses that start fights in the first place: the various triggers, environment, wording, tone of voice, drugs, bravado, etc. Being aware of the environment is half of self-defense, maybe the greater half. If so, why not use 'ukemi' as Corky uses it...to sense the inside of a person. That's being conscious of one level (one major factor) of energy production. After all, you can't really throw a good knockout punch without engaging your core. So, if you have a sort of blanket over the core (through the bridge of the arm), you can subtly control the direction of movement of the attacker, not to mention sense where his next attack might come from with pretty good accuracy. The skin, especially on the fingertips, is actually 200 times more sensitive than the skin on your body. It is designed to pick up significant information from the environment. Based on the development of the brain over time (its evolution), we know that the senses appeared in order of the sense of smell, followed closely with the sense of touch, before the eyes developed. In short, although it is older in evolutionary development, and therefore possibly rusty, this faculty of awareness through the skin can be awakened. In the dark, of course, we use our hands to identify things: by their shape, weight, texture, temperature. And we can do all that in a third of a second. Which is pretty quick. I also look at reaction times. Turns out, most people, even the fastest fighters take about a third of a second to register what it is you're doing before they start taking action...which takes a further third of a second. This is why cops get shot even when they have their gun loaded and pointing at knife wielding assailant who's a couple meters away. To say: "Stop or I'll shoot..." takes more than a second to say. By that stage, the police officer can be mince meat... In short, there's validity to Lenny argument about 'fast attacks' too. However, there's more. Turns out, people who train a routine (say a combo that worked in a fight before) can deliver that routine in as short a span of time as a tenth of a second. This is when action has become unconscious, naturalized, you know the jazz drum beat is locked in... In those cases, it may be best to pray to God you don't get hurt too bad and that the bad guy isn't cruel past the KO stage. It's one thing to lose consciousness and wake up later with a bit of memory loss. It's another thing to go to sleep and never wake up, or worse, wake up a paraplegic... I look forward to seeing more of this kind of exchange and I think it's a good thing. Heck, perhaps you can invite me to show you more ways on how the two methods can be reconciled..! Thanks once again for this video..! You are both doing aiki with each other in the spirit of dialogue... which might be in line with the notion of 'aiki' as well. Cheers!

[@kingofaikido]

PS. Musashi also talked about "the Pillow Attack"... smothering the fire with a blanket... It's worth learning. Medieval swordsmen (both in the East as well as West) also used this in what's called the 'bind' and you can also use a shirt or some kind of cloth to prevent getting sliced with a knife, while attempting to smother or grab it. What I'm saying is that 'ukemi' seen in this light can also become an important defense training. Since you use the ukemi moment to defend your center from attack while keeping up forward momentum, an essential skill when you need to disarm someone (if your life and the lives of others depended on it).

[@kingofaikido]

Oh, just one more thing... there was some irony in what Corky was saying about 'spear(ing)' energy because an actual spear is used in the manner described by Lenny when talking about punches. The spear technique (even when O-Sensei shows it) is about thrust and retract and thrust again. It ain't a long-drawn out attack actually. To be honest, spears are long precisely so that you can slide the things back in a have multiple goes at spearing the guy as he rushes you. Corky only shows (in this video) the thrust and the deflection...well, I suppose he could argue that the 'consistency' is a way of re-engaging the line of attack. OK, fine. My bad.

[@toddburnett4853]

It was very frustrating trying to understand what the gentleman was saying. Maybe he needs to attend one of your pressure testing classes and see if his theory works then Ijs.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

I agree. Those classes are eye opening experiences.

[@hectorchavez7097]

I kinda liked this mainly because it was two longtime Aikidokist that I highly respect. I love and have learned ALOT from Quakenbush Sensei's videos and if course, Lenny Sensei knows and can apply his stuff without a doubt....I cant say I liked the format...this was more like what might be going on behind the scenes between them two as they get to know each other personally. I think the format would have fared better if it was a seminar where they both taught and formatted off of a technique than each other. They are on totally different planes where Lenny Sensei can show you how to make Aikido work to save your life where Quakenbush Sensei can show you how to make it work to better your life. I honestly believe Quakenbush Sensei has an amazing grasp on what Aikidokist should eventually evolve to from the physical. As I get older and hopefully smarter, I deal more with "angry" people (spouse, family, friends) than I do with someone trying to assault me and so, while I was younger and more wild, Lenny would have me set but when I grow out of that, Quakenbush can help me ascend where I believe O'Sensei actually wanted with his Art. And I think Lenny will one day hit that but he will have his hardcore training to back him up...kinda like OSensei. All these teachers who taught so hardcore eventually evolved and sought something other than physical combat. IMO.

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

lenny sly much respect for ya man your one of the few aikido practitioners who really pressure test things something that guy needs to look into doing more often

[@acquiesce100]

The problem with Aikido: Too many ego's who think they know it all. So glad I left it.

[@WatWarrior22]

Unfortunately every style is like that

[@acquiesce100]

@@JustSomeGuy69420 Agree but in this video, there is no way on earth either of them will win the other person round.

[@davidszyszka7943]

Great video guys - love seeing both view points

[@ChfBgTlk]

You can NOT replicate a committed attack with slow movements and have it still be an honest technique. You will compromise your timing and muscle memory. Slow movement is fine when explaining angles, balance, and center...but training those techniques MUST, as closely as possible, reproduce the intensity of a real attack to become effective.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

BINGO!!!!! We have a winner, what do we have for him Johnny!

[@ChfBgTlk]

@@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13 Well, Bob. ..he wins an all-expenses-paid trip to watch a 5 minute randori starring Corky Quakenbush and 3 attackers. Lmaooo

[@rogerbyrd3524]

You’re so right !!!

[@gregoryw.1160]

Wonderful! I guess I can’t understand the distance between the two here. Training is only a door (or window) to real conflict. I just watched an old vid of Ronda Rousey teaching Seio Nage. She did several slow before going too fast for an adjustment from uke. Corky-Sensei is showing the blending that comes with a real attack without allowing technique from nage to become a counterattack-i.e. taking what nage gives back somewhere other than uke’s center. This is also accomplished by nage dropping the center and relaxing. Lenny-Sensei’s point is that on the street, that won’t happen, so train accordingly-put blending into the actual technique, not as a response to the attack because the attack on the street is much more fluid with, say, punch combinations. Getting back to Ronda (hardy har!), if we look at what both senseis are doing, how can there be one without the other? Don’t you have to start slow with some give from uke in order to learn the limits of technique without physical strength-let alone WITH tai sabaki and balance? Don’t you have to train with modern attacks-and attack speeds-in mind for a world with guns, brass knuckles, boxers and knives instead of swords, spears, and halberds? Was it Takuan that said: “Get a hundred masters together and they’ll agree on everything...get their students together and they’ll agree on nothing!” I think that both senseis are more in agreement then they realize-and Corky is not Hiroshi Ikeda or Roy Goldberg...not that he claims to be!

[@alberthippert583]

I like what Lenny Sly Sensei was trying to get over to the sensei. Being in the martial arts for over 60 years I've had my share of unprovoked street attacks. The "SHIT GETS REAL", no time to think about your defense/attack. It must be automatic when attacked. In my dojo I don't teach in slow motion, thank goodness for protective gear.

[@taekwondomaster4609]

Thank you very much Sensei. I would love to start off by saying that I would like to humbly bow to you, your senior students, your dojo, and the beautiful art of Aikido. Keep on posting your great content. I enjoy all of your videos Sensei.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Thank you so much

[@taekwondomaster4609]

ROGUE WARRIORS TV you’re very welcome Sensei. I would love to learn some Aikido when I visit Chicago. I live in California. Do you think I can train for just two weeks when I visit? Only two weeks Sensei. Please let me know. Blessings from California.

[@keithkruger7270]

Lenny, more great stuff. I'll give you my insight for what it's worth. I think Sensei Quakenbush was complimenting your aikido and your ability to diagnose a combat situation. Not all combat situations are the same. Someone trying to grab on and pummel you outside a bar is different then someone trying to mug and control you. I think he believes your skillset would allow you to defend yourself differently depending on what energy you get from an attack. I think he may have some valid points. Not all attackers would be as efficient as the students you're practicing with. They've all been trained by you to give brutal, fast, efficient attacks so the time window you have to react is greatly reduced, hence the style you use. They all also EXPECT you to defend yourself whereas the average person on the street wouldn't. I think he's taking that into account when he believes you have enough time to more "traditional" responses. He might be wrong, he hasn't used it on the street like you have, but because you started with a softer style before adapting to what you currently practice and teach your aikido skills are broader than most of us who practice the art. Even within what you do and teach, we've all seen in your videos plenty of times when you haven't followed thru on a particular defense (usually after you've shown it a few times) but have instead just controlled your uke because you've already floored him a few times. I think there are many subtleties to what you teach that are greatly influenced by what your original aikido origins are...subtleties that wouldn't exist otherwise. I know that I keep slowly adding concepts from you, Greg Sinclair and Gary Boaz to what I teach my own students. Keep it up!

[@TheBoyscout007]

I really enjoyed this video. I think thanks should go to Senseis Sly and Quakenbush for making this happen. It was a very interesting video and I'd hope to see more of it in the future. As commented by some1 else i was hoping to see sensei Quakenbush train with Sensei Slys students and perhaps a bit of randori but that may be for another video. As always great work from Lenny and all at RWTC and special shoutout to Rod who is an absolute beast of ukemi. Oss!

[@montejocervera]

Awesome video. Thanks sensei Sly and sensei Quakenbush

[@thesilful]

That bigger guy doesn’t seem to get it, Lenny is talking about what is realistic, that other guy is talking jibberisch about center and other nonsens, maybe the truth hurts that he has maybe wasted years on stuff that totally is bs

[@AlphaDad]

thesilful did you say the center is useless??

[@tagg1080]

He had an extremely smug and arrogant tone and posture the entire time, and it is really disrespectful. Lenny, I am surprised you kept your cool, I would not have.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Yeah I don’t know what to say about that.

[@zsolthary5903]

I really like your real world approach to aikido Lenny. Thank you.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Thank you I appreciate you commenting. Have a great day!

[@fortunateman1]

Interesting video! Thanks for sharing. Both teachers have valid points. Aikido either works in all situations, or it works in none. I would love to see both Sensei’s on their back and see how the techniques and principals work. Lastly, until you’ve been helplessly choked out its impossible to relate to real life scenarios. Thanks Lenny Sky for staying true to your beliefs and challenging those involved on their beliefs. We must figure this yoga/martial thing out!

[@keithminnich4017]

Never was a fan of Aikido. I come from BJJ, Judo, and boxing combined background for the last 10 yrs or so. I always thought Aikido was a joke. THAT BEING SAID, I think I am changing my mind about Aikido....but ONLY changing my mind due to Lenny Sly's TenShin method of Aikido. Would definitely enjoy learning combative/hard style Aikido from Mr. Sly. Enjoying your channel, going through all your videos and studying, and have subscribed brother.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Thank you so much bro!!! You’re awesome

[@keithminnich4017]

ROGUE WARRIORS TV No problem my friend! Have a good one brother!

[@cajunmandick2985]

Same here buddy, I come from a Isshinryu and Wah Lum background and I find aikido to be the level above my former arts because I find that entering and blending with the opponent is far superior to block, punch and kick. Now I have more balance and I can roll with a attack much more fluid like with aikido and just irimi kaiten alone keeps me from being hit or thrown which keeps the injuries go a minimum.

[@521Life]

Like your stuff Sly

[@darthwolfX2]

This was fascinating to see.

[@magnustuve]

Thanks for doing this and for not editing out bits. An honest attempt to explore.

[@azgardian32odinson]

How can people not like sly

[@mikemcfarthing3499]

I think its the metaphysic, psuedo science types that like to talk than practice, when I trained in Japan (Yoshinkan) the sensei spoke only, students sweated.

[@user-sx3om1vf9u]

Second part concept whaiting soo much

[@damianc80]

It’s a very interesting conversation. Two very different philosophies to dealing with an attack. I don’t know if the more passive way is as solid a defence as the more direct and forceful way of Lenny’s

[@paulprimac]

Training this way leads to people that think they can handle a real life attack and then are stunned when they wake up in the hospital. Regardless of what point he is making it has no relevancy to real life combat. Everyone knows what true intent is and can apply it with whatever techniques they have been taught. The only reason that his "technique" ever seems to "work" is he keeps asking Nage to do the same technique which he already knows is coming and he resists it. This is why so many people have come to see Aikido as a joke. Atemi is at most modern Aikido schools not practiced or sometimes not even mentioned. It is a cornerstone concept and without it you get in to these useless wrestling matches. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qHiWgWpsfcZ6bc0

[@johnconnor816]

the reality is when somebody grabs you, they dont follow along, they strike you right after. coz its a one two thing, its not always a grab test the water and strike. its always grab and a punch! -LennySly

[@rickdmon1dancing769]

Lenny, I just saw this segment and I thought it was interesting. If you go to the time mark 20:37, you’ll see something. When Corky grabbed you full force his power met yours created “power against power” concept. Than he did it again, you took a step back, and aligned your wrist with your key which totally interrupted his balance. His hip posture went one way, then you changed it again which made him fall. At that moment you were in disbelief, thinking you hardly did anything and proceeded to refer it as “Bulls-t”! Then you called your guy over (who’s smaller) where you met his power and went straight to “Nikio” which if he was stronger than you could have resisted. As I’m sure you know that true AIKIDO among other elements, is designed to break and manipulate the balance of the hip of uke to redirect his energy. You did exactly that! Please take a look at the video to see the step back (tin chin) you did to make that happen. I understand your platform is to modernize AIKIDO which I totally agree with you and needs to happen, but there are certain elements of it that are essential. Thanks for taking the time to read this comment. Looking forward to watching your future videos.

[@Sifu-intraining]

I don't study Aikido I study Wing Chun but I find these videos extremely interesting.

[@poeguru88]

Shane Mcgonigal i practice jiu jitsu and I m actually intrigued by Corky’s connection energy idea, I don’t think it’s so much a self defense concept but more of a mirror neuron/emotional state transference phenomenon which he aims towards de escalating the fight. I think that’s his aim with aiki. Both Sensais have good points, respect to both!!!

[@Sifu-intraining]

@@poeguru88Yeah I found it hard to really know what was the purpose of Corkys training I might of missed why he trained like that, what was the purpose. To my mind why not train both ways, again I don't study this so there could be important reasons on both sides. I think you are probably right about the self defence concept though.

[@poeguru88]

Shane Mcgonigal yes and that’s what’s funny about seeing this video; it’s like yin and yang in conflict but like you said if you combine Lenny’s and Corky’s training together than that’s probably the full spectrum of aikido.

[@persuadersonic]

Simply great. This is a rarely seen point of view confrontation. I remember you said once that there is no reason to train in useless technique, Aikido is a pretty hermetic compartment, happy to see that this principle leaked out from your compound.

[@Zorlag]

hermetic = Russian attempt to say "isolated", "sealed".

[@theognostosyios9343]

Very interesting. There is no substitute for speed in any self defense. To be able to understand the mode of attack PRIOR to its origination is paramount. Most often any grip on the hand and forearm is followed with very nasty works....Tai sabaki vs Ai hanmi Gyaku Gamae, reversed or mirrored direction of motion redirection so as to prevent re-establishement of uke's center so that follow attack is negated is all part of the practice of Aiki. As far as the comment on 'pummelling' after an grab attack while true, a near instantaneous sumi otoshi will also work via side stepping at the direction of the grip free hand performs atemi at the face of uke completes circle for sumi otoshi with nage fully irimi at that point. Keep up the good work...practice never ends also take some time to heal thy self..also....it is not uncommon that a teacher gets hurt from a student...especially in the early days....been there too.. Most people misunderstand the saying..'The soft overcomes the hard' soft does not mean 'noodle like' The ability to change static into dynamic motion is important. There lies the key also to safe practice. The more the motion is dynamic the easier the control of uke(s) thus safe practice. Another 50+yrs Aiki practitioner.

[@benmacdhui]

I liked it

[@ezekielgarza1150]

Great conversation

[@ezekielgarza1150]

You still can sparr slow but not that slow. Sparring is continuously attacking, slow to fast and soft to hard. Slow and soft for learning... But always continuously attacking. Learning how to react at progressing speeds and pain intensity.

[@ericr6230]

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[@dentongage3013]

If it comes fast or slow we're talking about intent. It's up to you as the practitioner to make it realistic depending on the level of the ability. We all have different levels of ability on the path of budo. Lenny is right but the connection that the {hard aikido} guys make is way beyond or in front of being grabbed or pushed it happens in the space that the attack is about to happen. Call that realtime. We have all heard of the story of O sensei fighting the guy with the sword and at some point, he said he was connected to him well how can he be connected if the man has both hands on the sword it's in a space-time thing. Not to sound too out there or mistic because it's not it's simple zanshin or awareness big part of budo as a whole no matter the style. Also what soft and hard guys have to understand is that the soft of corky is a way to teach the connection and feeling of center or taking someone's center both have places in training and skill level. Old school Aiki budo did both types of training and why I feel both types of training are important in today's aikido world. But again it's not up to the teacher to do this for you. You as an aikido practitioner have to find and learn both sets for yourself and blend them for your body and your mind.

[@mikemcfarthing3499]

Great video Sly Sensei, the issue is always the real line like in engineering you need a 2 or 3X safety factor. Under pressure I am Atemi and taisabaki, fanciful intention grounded Aikido is real but not reliable enough for me personally in a real fight.

[@zegarek840525]

oboje macie rację... wiem, że nie skomentuje niemal nikt jednak tak wolę napisać w swoim języku po paru głębszych gdy jestem w podobnym stanie jak Wy na filmiku ;p ... ja mam tylko stopnie uczniowskie + w miarę sporo sparingów w stójce i parterze... sam uważam, że Aikido działa, jednak przyrównuję to bardziej jak ćwiczenie technik na Judo lub BJJ bez oporującego "partnera" na początku treningu przed sparingami... historycznie wszyscy wcześniej już coś umieli, już umieli walczyć... no jednak na współczesne czasy gdy ktoś zaczyna ćwiczyć sztuki walki i jego pierwszą sztuką jest Aikido, to brakuje tu choć troszku sparingów np. w stylu Judo + kb coby nie bać się uderzenia... i bardzo mi się podoba rozwinięcie nazwy Aikido z pewnej wiki... ai (akceptacja ataku, zjednoczenie się z nim, harmonia z atakującym), ki (siła, równowaga oraz kilka innych gdzie chodzi o posturę bądź kontrę), do (droga, drogą może być rozwiązanie problemu i wybranie tego rozwiązania podczas konfliktu, z "duchowej ścieżki" bardziej stan umysłu i mniejszy lęk tego co się stanie)... "pierdolnięcie w twarz" to połączenie ki+do, dodatkowo wcześniej akceptacja ataku... wyciąć literki i jest "KO" :D (gdzie nieraz się śmieję pod inne rzeczy "kompletny odlot")... bardziej bym się odwoływał do starego... karate - "puste ręce", więc również aikido... kung fu - osiągnięcie mistrzostwa w czymś -> może być w gotowaniu...

[@3dprintwiz378]

You should try wearing kudo head gears. In that way, you can attack as hard as you can with out fear of too much injury.

[@GeorgeLedyard]

These teachers are talking apples and oranges. Quckenbush Sensei iis showing Aikido as a study in basic connection. It is an invetigation of the principles that govern connection. Sly Sensei is shoing how those principles actually apply. It's like theoretical physics vs applied physics. It is a mistake to think that Aikido kihon waza "apply" in a martial sense. There is nothing wrong with what Quackenbuh Sensei is showing. But it is not ho the principles would apply in a non-training, martial contect. Sly Sensei's Aikido is much closer to what I was taught by my teacher, Saotome Sensei.

[@jbravery4675]

21:05... sensei slys reaction to this guy failing for him is great!! I mean absolutely no disrespect to the other guy but please add resistance and pressure test your aikido because it's way to fairy and unrealistic. Thankyou for calling out the BS there Sensei Sly.

[@FR3NS1S]

I was expecting Corky Sensei demonstrating his Aikido as tori with one of Lenny's students as uke... in the next part maybe?

[@Me-iy5qy]

I pick the bald guy side , I like his style and seems more practical ...

[@johnhills3085]

Lenny this guy, Corky is getting us functionalists nowhere

[@jonpatten3414]

Lenny, if anyone will answer this question for me honestly, I expect it will be you. One thing I have always wondered with studying both Aikikai and Tenshin Aikido is how does this connection to your opponent work when your opponent is hyped up on either alcohol or drugs? Do they feel it? Do they care? Will they be rigid enough for Kotegaeshi to work effectively? What happens in these situations?

[@theoutlander2873]

You adjust. They may resist. Pain might not be enough. That is where both resistance and flow training help. That is the point of harmonizing. I believe it is why Sensei Sly often recommends to continue with a technique, even if you messed it up, continue with something.

[@droberson84]

Lenny, Your inside technique reminds me of Wing Chun

[@RandAlthor939]

This is interesting conversation one ( Lenny) seems to be talking effective techniques . The other guy seems to be justifying dance aikido. Which is impossible

[@TheMoodyedge]

Sounds about right

[@Brownhoof]

Very true!

[@db124760]

Well what lenny is saying i will use that against trained untrained doesn't matter everyone's human everyone will have broken joints you can't resist the technique forever your wrist will be broken. And what corky is saying that's interesting about center.

[@theoutlander2873]

Contemplative and conceptional martial arts training has its place; it can be useful. But it must be tested with fast speed and resistance.

[@chrispiggott8386]

Lenny. I enjoy alot of your material. However this guy has clearly never been in any form of combat.

[@robinginting6017]

I poorly connected with the term of soft approach aikido. Not sure if this way effective in the street

[@MrTigre6]

Where in the hell do these guys get the idea that thug street fighters will initiate a fight by grabbing your wrist?? Just curious.

[@cajunmandick2985]

Offering the arm is a trap bozo, the initial human reaction is to take it grab what's offered. Stay with your tkd and keep dreaming and if your speaking of jujitsu you do understand than at one time they were one art (aikido) until it became watered down with the American influence after WW2. Just step on the mat with a aikijutsu student and all of a sudden your jujitsu is compromised,and if there are more than one opponent,jujitsu alone will not do much.Sly Sensei is teaching more if the aikijutsu style which is militaristic in concept and proven in battle.

[@overlord3499]

i vote sly.

[@hussaf1]

Its not so much a competition as two practitioners with drastically different approaches coming together to learn from each other.

[@gusgoof358]

@@hussaf1 ..... what did they learn from each other?

[@kangasify]

Those times i have train with people that was in the attack mode one most deffend and then do any technic one want for the person that grabe gona kill the defended then have an opportuned to survive if one didt got attacked. 1: the attacker 2: the defender. 1 did tecknic brutal attack of corse. 2 intercept with a more deadly tecknic then the 1 did. Mindsett dont get hit. Or thrown or kickt.

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

This 3 part video was real good, third time watching it now, Lenny still crack me up when he gets real with corky

[@angel-rq4fz]

Corky is doing the AIKIDO not AIKIJutsu or AIKImuscle ,the AIKI principle as Master SAOTOME was saying .

[@db124760]

I think he is just breaking balance no technique just kuzushi. And i think he means putting or projecting energy into the persons center or core.

[@afendiujud4684]

When some one hold your right hand Tenkan then irimi nage that is the basic step

[@johnchipmanseishinaikido1531]

This is exactly why some quit traditional and are either fortunate enough to find a legit "TenShin Aikido " Sensei or they pursue the many BJJ schools out there. Even better, incorporate bjj with TenShin. And I only refer to it as TenShin" to distinguish it from traditional. I realize it is the name of Take Sensei 's old dojo. Attack pre attack manipulation is a way to sabotage what you know Nage is likely to do. Real violence does not know or care.

[@canadiannavigator3346]

1. Totally agreed. 2. Aiki-jujitsu" needs to come back into the lexicon, and method of training. 3. Check out Sensei Biil Doak Goshin-jitsu. Goshin kata forms ( aiki ) was added to the judo curriculum. Powerful and beautiful to watch. All of the original aikidoka were all Judo guys. All of the came to aikido with a sense of "ju"; and IMHO, explains why we haven't really produced students comparable to the first wave of masters. Judo produces are tough individual, aware of his koshi. Modern aikido lacks the ability to teach/train/instruct this foundational aspect. 4. Check out Wally Jay and his small circle jujitsu. 5. Finally, bring back weapons as part of the training. We are a sword/weapons based art form.

[@minasz]

Its easy, if somebody grabs he will hit. if he doesnt hit you hit and thats what happening in a real fight. no turns twisting breakdancing. just grab and one or the other will try to punch the nose of. Is there time for a turn? It depends on how much the grabber really wants to hit you. And I also think if you can twist..you also can hit the face. On this im with leany if you have one or two good counter attacks by knowing the way real fighting looks like...then you can pull it off. Otherwise its Bullsjit.

[@Midnitedreary88]

I'm literally watching the same Aikido just one is more "aggressive" than the other. In the end, I'm still not convinced of Aikidos overall effectiveness if an Aikidokai finds themselves in a situation where they are being attacked by a person who wants to hurt them.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Here’s the thing man. In order for aikido to work you have to be willing to hurt someone without batting an eye. Most aikidoka and Sensei promote this love thy neighbor attitude, oh please don’t hurt anyone! That goes against the aikudos founder Osensei. Frankly who gives 2 fucks, I sure as hell don’t. Please don’t take me the wrong way. I don’t want to hurt anyone that isn’t trying to hurt me, but..,... Do you see how I wrote that 👆. I’m not an aikikai tree hugger and I don’t train in that style either. I did, but moved on to greener pastures. There other thing is, if you want this shit to work YOU HAVE TO TRAIN IT TO MAKE IT WORK. You have to apply it with the intentions TO actually hurt someone. There’s more to explain but that takes to much time and most likely people just won’t get it. So lastly you have to possess confidence in your skill. If you don’t have any of those things I mention then you have nothing and most aikido people have nothing. That’s because they’re all living on fantasy island drinking the Kool-Aid. Also aikido isn’t meant for sport fighting. That’s a whole OTHER thing all together. So I can give a shit about people talkin shit about well if it doesn’t work in the ring it’s not gonna work on the street. Ya ya ya whatever. You don’t practice aikido so you don’t have to worry about us that do and why would you care anyways.

[@Midnitedreary88]

@@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13 Perhaps Ive been too much of a troll about this and need too understand more. Lets have a real convo for a min. You mentioned you have other ranking in other arts. I am interested to know given ur experience with other systems what stood out about Ten Shin Aikido? What made this your core focus of study? I think you should dedicate a video to that. I think you telling you story and why Aikido stands out for you would be very interesting not only for your viewers but for all the nay sayers, legit. I think it would genuinely be interesting. Although I told you about my skepticism with Aikido in general I will say this, I do agree that Ten Shin Aikido is the way to go vs Aikikai aikido. 100%. That hippie shit doesn't fly in real life. When Rick Stickles was hosting an Aikido seminar a LONG time ago in NJ I attended as a spectator and there was a Ten shin Aikido demonstrate from a gentlemen from Cali. Which I was more impressed with this style. Even though Mr Stickles was a very good aikido practitioner. Back to my original thought. I study Judo and occasionally BJJ and I, like you hear all the time from outsiders and even some in the BJJ community. Why not just train BJJ its more modern its more "effective". Why not just do MMA? blah blah. And, like what you deal with from me and others, they don't train Judo while at the same time basically just talk shit about it whether in a friendly manner or trolling manner. And, I just tell it like it is, I study Judo bc I fucking want to.... end of story, I practice Judo bc it builds MY confidence and MY fitness. Maybe it isn't "as good" as BJJ or Sambo or whatever else but I have an infinity towards the art and it works for me. And, ofc I think Judo is just as good as an other form of grappling its just the art like all others has limitations and a good martial arts tries to fill in the missing pieces.

[@mark9104]

Lenny is quite right on the combat reality, corky way is definitely non realistic, but I do think it isn't a bad way to train. You'll get a much better feel of the technique. The hard thing is for the student to not think that is the same as real life

[@leusmaximusx]

They cant agree of the definition of Aikido, for me, Quakenbush is doing Aikido while Leny is doing Aikijutsu, totally diferent things , Aikido is an Art of Peace , Aikijutsu is a Fighting Technique. Arts is not Fights. These differ on purpose. Arts are expression of principles or ideas of beauty, order or possibilites through mediums such as painting, sculpture or dances. Aikido is a dance depicting mercy and respect to human life against violent attacks & to end fights, through muscle memory. while Fighting Techniques are the most effective and efficient intentional body movement against an attack and to break attacker's body or life. 1. Pre-war "Aikido" (at that time there was no name yet but called Ueshiba Art ) taught by Osensei is very much still an AIKIJUTSU, the parent Martial Fighting Technique (not Art) of Takeda Sensei. In the sense now in practice by the present organization such as Tenshin and Iwama-Saito and Yoshinkan, this pre-war technique shouldnot be called aikido but AIKIJUTSU Fight techniques. The purpose is to use Aiki in defeating violent forces (no enemy) with or without use of preemptive & counter strikes with intention cause injury to the attacking person to disable from continuing the attack. Aikijutsu has no rules but applicable only in conflicts where there is figthing. 2. Post War Aikido as it was then called , is the refined set of techniques that become an ART, because of the MacArthur's ban on proliferation of studying Martial Fight Techniques. In the present , this is the ART that Osensei wants the world to recognize, not the aikijutsu of the pre-war era. The successor of Osensei, who are the generations of Doshus in Hombu Dojo, are the maintainer and main source of prescribed way of AIKIDO , this will also include Koichi Tohei's group and branches. This is the present AIKIDO Art of Peace. The purpose is to use the principle of Aiki to communicate peace and harmony by neutralizing attack forces (no enemy) and bring the attacker and his force to emptiness, without employing any counter strikes or premptive injurious strikes. Aikido is an art of peace , not of combat self defense , Aikido is a self defense against senseless "fighting" by prevention or neutralization of force not the attacker. Aikido has no rules outside the dojo and can be use at all times at any conflict situation including figting-(most difficult to master & must be deliberately trained for to achieve). 3. Use Aikijutsu to the extent that the Criminal Laws wil not be violated , in such a way that the means employed to defend against an attack are not excessive or not results in greater injury to the attacker from the prior intent of the attacker.

[@djignatin4043]

Interesting

[@MrMattias87]

I think you're taking the "art of peace" too literally. Secondly I don't see why it can't be used for self defense.

[@leusmaximusx]

​@@MrMattias87 Aikido is basically a self-defense against stupid fighting or engaging in a lost fight "self defense" is a restrained repel of agrression , it cant go beyond when there is no attack delivered , without such predatory attack there is no basis for "retaliatory" , infact retaliation is not self defense. Founder Moreihei literally indends it to be the "art of peace" so that people wont be inclined to over violence , outside the limit of "self defense" which many people erroneously commit, which may then leads the aggressor to escalate the attack and employ deception. Aikido today was re-fromed by Kihosmaru Ueshiba and the way it was taught, practiced and to be propagated makes it a true " Art " as do other martial arts, it has become a dance or stage act for displaying the martial spirit of love and kindness and has little value as a "SELF DEFENSE IN A FIGHT" In a fight , one must be prepared for everything that maybe thrown deceptively by the aggressor and may require one to be the "counter-attacker" himself in order to subdue the aggressor & survive . Counter-Attacks are what is purposely deleted in the fighting form of the "Aikijutsu" , thus it becomes a benign art called AIKIDO. What you see as the Aikido is the art propagated by the Ueshiba's today . Let me repeat AIKIDO is the art promoted by the AIKIKAI Ueshiba organization, which is defnitely USELESS in a SELF DEFENSE FIGHT. Let me repeat AIKIDO is USELESS in a SELF DEFENSE FIGHT . Simply because it is not a way of fighting. In a "self Defense Fight " the defender MUST COUNTER-ATTACK/RESIST WHILE THE INITIAL ATTACK IS STILL IN PROGRESS. but however there is nothing wrong in being the art of peace , AIKIDO is the option for NOT making a situation become a FIGHT. By becoming the center of righteousness/justice and benevolence, the agressive intent is cooled down. It is definitely hard learn how to do that when one is seeing the aikido techniques as a way of fighting. Thats why it takes plenty of repetition to master (understand) the seemingly useless aikido forms and techiniques. Many combative students never had the patience so what they learned is the erroneous and dangerous way of doing aikido in a fight situation and it always end up bad and injurious to the person. Now. if one is interested in the "Self defense Fight" version, one must also study and master the "AIKIJUTSU" AND THE VARIOUS FORMS OF STRIKING , GRAPPLING, THROWING & WEAPONS (household items, knives & guns) FIGHTING TECHNIQUES" not just doing "martial arts" . These also include S.E.R.E. (Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape as a complete acts. Note that Survival, Evasion, and Escape as a individual acts is AIKIDO just like a simple stepback or weave to a punch/kick is Aikido (escape) and the entering aggressor's body space not in way of initial disguised attack so as to bump the hips or swipe the pivot leg to unbalance the aggressor is already Aikido (evasion) but that is seldom taught in the curriculum of aikido. Note that this can only be instilled in the reflexes during sparring while Aikido STRICTLY PROHIBITS sparring of different forms of Strikes and takedowns Also AIKIDO includes, marathon training, Parkour, Gymnastics and diet & body strenghtening acts, and knowledge of the law, and moral & civil uprightness & responsibility in actual behavior. (the seven pleats of the hakama). As for the video of Sensei Leny Sly and his techniques, it is not aikido anymore but Sensei Leny Sly' s techniques are "AIKIJUTSU" fighting techniques which the students for "SELF DEFENSE FIGHTING" must also be adept with . Insisting that Aikikai "Aikido" is a self defense fight technique just to gain students to make the dojo a profitable business is a great disservice / disrespect to AIKIDO & a grave dishonesty to mankind that can cause death . MrMatthias87 : "Secondly I don't see why it can't be used for self defense." - - - Answer, the way aikido as taught today by aikikai is not applicable to "self defense fight" situations. To use aikido in such, the Aikidoist must master most of the Fighting techniques employed by skilled agressors and train in real "fight like situations" and use deception by being able in deploying strong counter-attacks. i hope i had given you a more clear insight as to your confusion. Aikido is literally the art of peace happy training , OSU !

[@leusmaximusx]

@@MrMattias87 this is another explanation on the same thing : kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4KtgWZsgrKerrs&lc=Ugw51bBwnGdETiuEe_x4AaABAg thanks for your comment , cheers

[@rogerbyrd3524]

Interesting. I’m still trying understand his point as I’m watching this over again. Is he talking about for training purposes ? I’m agreeing with Lenny. Maybe I’m just missing it not being an aikido guy but a shorinryu karate guy ha. Is he basically talking about the flow between each person ?

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

I’m still trying to figure that out myself too, so you’re not alone my friend.

[@rogerbyrd3524]

Ha ok cool 😏

[@rogerbyrd3524]

Yea I know EXACTLY what you’re talking about. I practice Shorin Ryu Shorinkan. So the bunkai which as you already know in Shorin Ryu kata is all close quarter. So we practice the attack as in the street. Im learning just how those katas were really meant to be used. The blocking grappling striking etc. And about body movement. But you’re totally right bc practicing as you say it’s gonna be a tad different in the street for sure right ?! So yea like you say. That’s what got me so interested when I happened upon Lennys stuff I was like wow now thats how it’s gonna be ! It ain’t gonna be pretty ha it’s gonna be here it comes BOOM ! Thank you for your reply !

[@mazen_007]

@@rogerbyrd3524 Yes. In my opion Karate does not teach you how to defend aganist multiple punchs coming at you.The kata start in grappling situations. The way deal with punchs in my opinion is Tenshin Aikido hand deflection once you have neutralized the punchs bunkai will start since it was created for close range fighting.

[@rogerbyrd3524]

Mazouni yea I hear what you’re saying. And a lot of what Lenny teaches is usually one on one. But in the katas they’re really about getting off center of your opponent’s attack you actually receive his attack. That’s the great thing I’ve learned and still learning about the Shorin Ryu katas. They’re pretty brutal. They really teach about no wasted movements natural stances evade as you attack. Bc as you know you don’t have time in a confrontation. So I love how Lenny teaches that too. No wasted movements. Very nice stuff. But as for multiple attacker’s we deal with that in our school as well. But I agree you have to be ready ! So we get from each other what we can to help 🙂. Lenny has some amazing technique for sure !

[@Brownhoof]

Either we are being honest about real life Aikido (what Lenndy describes) or we talk about centers and dance shows.

[@ThePixelMage716]

seems like both are valid, the hard version is more efficient and faster to learn, although if you want to get to higher levels you'll probably need to spend alot of time on the slow/ center approach.

[@jamescarter4005]

Are you saying Lenny isn't centered?! Look closer. He is very centered. Its quick though.

[@jackritser212]

@@jamescarter4005 Yes but remember he has been training for over 20 years.

[@Agencyfox]

My English is not so good, but I understood that the tallest master was showing sth useless 😏

[@acquiesce100]

Why bother having any other instructor in your dojo who is not connected to Seagal's style of Aikido? You were clearly just looking for an argument. It's pointless. I think Corky was very respectful in Lenny's playground. I just wouldn't bother having them in the dojo because they are clueless. Lenny, they were all taught wrong.

[@chibimentor]

trding paces by usher versus tobey andrew and tom, help me with dr strange homework as per usual ineed a depo pronto

[@maryc.eastland9363]

This would have been more interesting with some editing. Corky went on too long in the beginning and even though I understand the principle he was explaining I found it confusing. If both instructors had open minds to what the other had to offer it would provide a platform for a honest interaction ( verbal and through technique) that would really be engaging. Lenny, I am surprised you did not trip on your hakama. And what is it with you guys being so hurt? I am 61 and have been training for 32 years. I want to keep training. Maybe the real self defense is not killing yourself with hard training so you can reap the benefits of sensible training. :)

[@trueinsider513]

I feel a lot of frustrated, Corky is too stubborn, omg. Sometimes there is not a way to make other person understand, too biased, even if you demostrate.

[@521Life]

Gotta love Hippie Aikido...Not Really.

[@TheMoodyedge]

This is a big part of the reason i quit aikido in the last couple of years I was fucking tired of hearing words like "soft" and "gentle" blending etc...... 🤬 this hippy nonsense is the one big problem with the art. Hey everybody, lets not fight! Lets all hold hands and be nice to each other!' Which yes, in an ideal world Id much prefer that option, i dont want to fight anybody! However in this day and age it's easy to feel on edge out there and worry you may be attacked by some lunatic. There are millions of dogshit humans out there who share different views and if you get in a tangle with any of these arseholes and this lovely, soft gentle aikido is all you have to fall back on......well...... the shit is going to hit the fan. Alas. Lets be nice to each other yes, but what happens when we meet someone who decides they do not want to be so nice? Ask or wait in the hope they grab your arm and allow you to "do" aikido.... sorry...I mean 'create beautiful, flowing movement together'.... umkay, good luck with that! O sensei was a fighter who fought in the war ffs and I dont imagine he took any shit from anybody. As he got older he no doubt mellowed a lot but a so called "Martial Art" should be exactly that....equal attention and respect given to both the aspects ie the 'Martial' and the 'Art' perspective. That way you learn skills that might help get you out of a scape some day and also learn how to control your body and mind but hey, perhaps I am full of shit aswell. I had even made plans to travel back to Ibaraki Shibu to uchi deshi after attending Aiki Jinja Rei Taisai and hopefully Id get then to experience Isoyama Sensei and the other direct students but the situation didnt pan out and I ended up not going back. Since then for one reason or another I just seemed to slowly fall out with the art, which is a real shame 😞

[@bradbauman7902]

Sorry Lenny, I can't watch this!

[@jaypeesee3333]

...let me hear from mr. Seagal🙄🤔🤓🎎

[@lionsden4563]

It's hard for that Quakenbush guy to understand those points from Lenny because obviously he has never been in a real fight before. Lol! Of course that's only my opinion.

[@simonedwards7543]

Corky got violated 😂😂

[@amuthi1]

It is interesting to see, that it takes quite long to get over the barriers of conceptual thinking and quick emotionalization. This is exactly, what an intended attack is able to do, and what surely happened between them in the beginning, because Mr. Quakenbush intended attack was able to override the aiki-routines of Mr. Sly in the beginning, creating a short reaction of confusion. You can see moments of irritation, beeing puzzled and stuck, when they interact in the beginning. The deeper understanding therefore starts rather late in the video (To re watch click here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nKiqlqutrtKmjpY ) clarifying what a realistic attack is and wheather it is depending primarily on speed or rather attacking the center and maintaining this intention of attack. The special aiki-aspect in the communication is that Mr. Quakenbush is not triggered by the "what is a realisitic attack accusations" of Mr. Sly but but keeps his point very nicely by just waiting and patiently and lovingly not caring about the implicit bulshit accusations and then is able to reopen the field for mutual understanding, clarifying that if an attack is done with continous intent, speed is maybe not the most important thing. From my personal experience, the attacking quality of Mr. Quakenbush gives you a rather overwhelming sensation and the training aspect is to outbalance and override these sympathetic reactions by an ongoing inner attuitude of kindness and care and by this overwriting neurological and biophysical reaction patterns. Here a link to a video from a taichi-perspective from Ian Sinclair: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZeydmp7Yqmjhdk

[@bashlivingstonstampededojo882]

I agree with lenny on this he does far more pressure testing and has real life experience as a bouncer sometimes you have to put things to the test against non- compliance to see if it works at all I'm no aikido practitioner but I certainly like to test things and I certainly know what works in real life and what does not from real life experience

[@TheMoodyedge]

Fan boy.

[@amuthi1]

@@TheMoodyedge Just what I said above, it's difficult and an emotional challenge to think outside the box (staying inside it is much more comfortable). For me the some of the most convincing moments in my aikido-training took place, when something extremely effective happened and I couldn't even figure out why. But in most of the moments nothing happened with a notion to do something forcefully against someone or beeing done against me.

[@VinchenzoC]

Have you ever sparred?

[@amuthi1]

@@VinchenzoC Only a little boxing. They told me that I have a good punching force, but my head is rather weak and beginns to ache rather fast when beeing punched.

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

These are some golden moments, Lenny could barely hold his laugh back 21:14

[@Defender78]

20:58

[@walkingzombi33]

cool non resistence to this would create something new. This very martial, resolving conflict at its very source. But sensai Lenny doing combat martial arts you street arts for modern day conflicts.

[@IbrahimKhalil-bt9yh]

Can someone edit out the part like 21 minutes in when Lenny is calling out the bs because it's starting to stink, epic moment in martial arts history

[@bitabyte]

Personally, and I mean do disrespect, I favour the gentler approach for obvious reasons. Why escalate? Do you feel offended if a big dog barks at you? Why? What for? It only makes things worst. It can sniff your anger (or fear). Same applies to humans behaving irrationally. The fact is that anyone who uses violence towards you is acting illegally AND if you overdo a defence that, could easily be constructed as an "assault" - or murder as the case may be. Take the fate of the one of Brazil's greatest Jiu-Jitsu champions of all time, Leandro Lo, recently shot dead in a São Paulo club. Lo won the World Championships eight times. It didn't help him. The hard approach shown here could easily invite a bullet (or two) from a maligned male ego. IMO the other sensei softer approach imbedded with "beneficent intention "may offer more chances of survival for both parties (...) Just my opinion. Feel free to train to beat the c**p out of others as much as you like but ... mind the bullet you are inviting. A bullet-proof vest may not help you. Surprise shots to the head at point-blank from an offended male ego are difficult to predict and evade and are usually deadly - particularly the sniper's type. Finally, I am aware that only comments which support your approach are published. I understand. Feel free to delete mine. No offence taken.

[@MrMattias87]

It doesn't change the fact that corkie dogmatic nature blinds him from the reality of a real attack from either a psychotic criminal, a drugged up person or a drunk. The psychology and objective reality matters.

[@Defender78]

​@@MrMattias87 Corky and crew don't put on any akito and even their simulated punches are thrown poorly, corky is a black belt but I don't see any evidence of it, deflections or flips or body motions that would have any true effect on an attackor, all the stuff about energy and center don't matter when someone is throwing a 1/2 combo atcha

[@keepontrucking5373]

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” Tyson

[@notmyname108]

Talkido.

[@theognostosyios9343]

Lenny if you find the time look at this video Shotokan you will see the 'soft' although also the 'hard'. He also uses the Aiki principle. He may not call it as such... kzbin.info/www/bejne/haiUcqGYe7F_epI One should be able to change very quick from one 'soft' to the other 'hard'. For example in Shorei the block is sufficient to break the forearm. But instead moving to Shorin ever so slightly entering is allowed for follow on technique. Therefore, it is all the same and in actual combat it is not known what technique will follow everything happens very very fast.

[@kangasify]

Soft and hard blend thats nice.

[@williamsmith8790]

Corky may be what the late Kevin Sparkman sensei called a “granola eater” when referring to the aiki-Kai.

[@keithminnich4017]

Ki.......lol

[@daitoryu]

Would any of you guys go full contact with an MMA or BJJ fighter? I would like to see how effective full blown Aikido would be against those. Why haven't we seen an Aikido practitioner in the squared ring before?

[@romanempire89]

Just so you know, MMA and BJJ is a sport martial art. In Aikido there is no competition, it is for self defense. A true martial artist would want to avoid violence. More importantly, not judging or comparing different arts together. You don't have to agree with the Aikido philosophy, but have some decency and respect other forms of martial arts out there. Cheers.

[@CyberDocUSA]

@@romanempire89, then it could be asked which sport is best suited for practical self-defense irl situations, etc, again for which there is never a _complete answer._ Perhaps the Auditor had no ill intent behind the inquiry & was merely seeking knowledge? Idk. ☮️

[@daitoryu]

@@romanempire89 Yup I'm aware of that but that's my point - we don't/won't know how effective Aikido is for self defense if we never test it. Practicing only on a complying partner does not simulate the real-world. I would pay $$$ is see a top Aikido black belt go at it against any BJJ/MMA/wrestler etc.

[@romanempire89]

@@daitoryu O-Sensei's philosophy was to minimize violence. That's why riot police in Tokyo are learning it as well. Aikido wasn't designed to be in a ring. A Samurai art is about life and death, and not about scoring points and winning competitions. Also if by "testing" the effectiveness of Aikido is by getting hurt or to hurt another individual (not saying that the techniques in Aikido can't do so) then that's just simply not the discipline that the Aikido community endorses for the most part. Furthermore, if an individual right from the beginning has a "fight fire with fire" mentality then there's no doubt about having a preliminary judgement against Aikido. In my humble opinion, the best martial art is the one who wishes to commit and train in. I like BJJ too and I've seen many videos of it online, given the fact that BJJ was given rise from Mitsuyo Maeda Sensei, perhaps for some out there they shouldn't be so critical about BJJ vs Aikido (as an example) because respect is the number one priority in the Japanese martial arts community. Lastly, I honestly find these discussions constructive and enjoyable and I do thank you for it.

[@Derrick1951]

Sensei Lenny why did you waste your time.....This was frustrating to watch. Please keep on doing you ....that's who I tune into see you. First of all the guy you were playing with is not fast enough to grab your wrist in the first place and he probably never been really hit hard. An Iriminage to the throat that he could not see may convince him. And your right you can't go off on him because he would get hurt...this was a frustrating video to watch because you can't convince aikidoist like him.. And Lenny, no disrespect intended to the other sensei.

[@mikemcfarthing3499]

Couldn't agree more, pressure testing and fitness are real. Little side comments about being gym strong is not to say techniques aren't important but size, aggression and strength are real factors in a fight. Please Sly sensei do you.

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

Do I what?

[@mikemcfarthing3499]

@@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13 Continue to make aiki related content that focuses on realistic attacks.

[@shovelhead4558]

Punch kick and train with street and you’ll know if it works.

[@Jiyukan]

Actually I expected a seminar, where both teachers teach students. Not an "argument" between two teachers of two different lineages which I actually - cough cough - find equally "bad". Not bad in the sense of that what they are doing is completely wrong, but both don't do Aikido. Lenny Sly is covering his "mistakes and faults" with speed. And Corky Quakenbush is arguable not even doing real Aikido. Seeing those two trying to talk about the same thing, from a different perspective, is intellectually interesting. But they both look at Aikido like on a gem stone with 20 or more facets. Both only see 3 or 4 of them ... on various different sides. But none of them sees the 20 facets. So they both probably will never agree on anything. Lenny is trying to transform a simple Ai Hanmi Katate Dori into a slef defense situation ... which makes no sense. Corky is trying to transform Aikido into a center - center connection. Which only makes sense when you grasp what this is about (that is mostly Ukes work, to handle/survive the technique and not Toris work) ... which makes limited sense. If you do an event like that again, try to make a seminar, not a video. Show us how you teach your students. As you will both teach the same students: that will be VERY INTERESTING.

[@TheMoodyedge]

Dry up.

[@Jiyukan]

@@TheMoodyedge Haha, and what is that supposed to mean?

[@TheMoodyedge]

@@Jiyukan You work it out.

[@jamescarter4005]

Why dont you put out a video of what you think people should learn. Enough of the talking game.

[@Jiyukan]

@@jamescarter4005 There are already enough videos like that :P

[@JanieMeiser]

He is talking as if you are going to know that the punch is coming. Not everyone telegraphs a punch and it's just WHAM! Your Waza needs to set you up so you don't get punched. I do not want to be or sound disrespectful however, these Sensei's are Dojo trained not Street "trained" My Soke and I do Okinawan Jui-jitsu . We train slow and then go Balls to the wall. We want it to work in real life! and ultimately isn't that what we train for? to defend ourselves and loved ones from those who deem to do us harm? I maybe all wet but it's my stinky opinion LOL

[@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13]

How do you figure? Did you not hear that I mentioned several time that I was a bouncer for 23 years. So how does that not make me street trained bro?

[@JanieMeiser]

@@SLYSCOMBATIVECONCEPTS13 you misunderstood me, I was talking about Corky Sensei. I am on your side Sir 😂 👊 also just for the record I'm a chic 😉

[@tylerviola3198]

Sly love your videos, I don’t think they didn’t understand of why you were to get them to understand, how to hurt someone with out hurting someone is the most stupid thing in martial arts i heard of, when your training yes you don’t want to go hurt your training partner but in the real word pain in some way is a kind of compliance

[@bilbobaggins5815]

I smell horseshit

[@AlexanderLayko]

Aikido practitioners need to stop pretending they have "insider knowledge" about leverage, momentum, balance, the center of gravity, friction, weight transmission, and the manipulation of the human anatomy's vital points that all the people who actually fight, spar, and wrestle on a regular basis haven't already figured out. Because they don't.