Aikido takedowns- do they suck?

In this video we talk about Aikido takedowns and whether they suck or not- the answer, sorta. If you are only interested in taking someone down there are much easier ways than you will find in Aikido. However if you are interested in other possibilities like weapons, the ways shown in Aikido have some use.
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[@stevecastro1325]

Excellent description and breakdown of the movements. This has caused me to re-evaluate my perspective on aikido as a practical martial art.

[@ChuShinTani]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mikewiest5135]

Thank you for sharing your much needed mature perspective on aikido! Early in my aikido career I was fortunate to be able to train in several intensive summer camps with Hiroshi Kato Sensei, who was 8th degree and had been a direct student of the founder. We got to have dinner with him at some point and I asked, through an interpreter-“is there something that convinced you that aikido could be effective for self defense?” He said “aikido is not about fighting” and that was his whole answer! Your approach definitely helps me to make sense of that; and clearly shows how it CAN be effective for self defense even though it is “not about fighting.”

[@marcelodim9762]

As a student of traditional Kobudo Japanese Ju-jitsu, I consider Aikido simply as a very useful training tool and simply a part of Ju-jitsu or in other words, simply katas that exist only as training tools. I also believe that this is the main reason Aikido principles were "created" in the first place, so portions of Kobudo training could be perfected .... In order to make Aikido "work" as self defense once again, you must reincorporate it into the full Kobudo Ju-jitusu where it came from.

[@dereyebrow5813]

Are there actually any kobudo jujitsu throws that aren’t included in judo and aikido other than minor variations, setups and banned throws

[@marcelodim9762]

@@dereyebrow5813 Yes there are, not too many throws that I've seen, but few that I've seen done with the specific intent to break spines and/or necks as well as many strikes "Atemi" created to cause real permanent injury or more. But the most important is the how you put it all together (mind and body) and not so much the individual techniques.

[@ezekielgarza1150]

This isnt trying to make Aikido work. Just showing want Aikido is for.

[@jakovzord]

Good explanation, ikkyo/ikkajo 100% is derrived from from to-tori / tanto-tori technique. One thing I would like to bring up about the function of ikkyo though is that it creates an opening for a powerful strike to the liver or ribs; it is a very devastating technique in this way. Aikido is just as much striking as it is grappling.

[@toddburnett4853]

Makes sense. Thanks for more clarity .

[@krupalvithlani]

Thanks for another great video 📹 Also super catchy title 👍

[@lsporter88]

That made complete sense. Brilliant lesson.

[@ChuShinTani]

Thank you, sir!

[@williamcorreiagusmao9836]

Thanks for sharing! I know it is a little of the topic here, but have you done any video on Suwari Waza or Hanmi Handachi Waza? Would you consider it having more benefits, besides improving body mobility in Tachi waza?

[@88KUNGFUMAN]

Good question and thank you for your video. I can't comment about aikido specifically but I have done some Aikijitsu(Shihan Ronald Moore and took a workshop with Aikijitsu Sensei Bernie Lau). I find Aikijitsu to me more combat oriented than Aikido, but I guess it depends on the practitioner. I would not fight the late O-Sensei Moriheu Usheiba for all the $ in the world!!

[@mauricematla8379]

When it comes to practical application. Something people fairly often do not considder is the effectiveness of surprise... If you can surprise somebody you can pull of quite a lot. Including ude osea i found out.

[@stuffnuns]

The closest thing in Aikido to double leg TD is Gedan Ate, yes? Knives are the scariest damn weapon, for with a truly sharp knife, combined with the heat of the moment, most of the time, you won’t know you are cut until you see the blood. Avoid a knife fight, by all means.

[@ChuShinTani]

You should watch my "no such thing as a knife fight" video- I think you'd like it.

[@based_prophet]

I like to ask ppl if they beleave in aikido by that alone I know who n what I'm fighting

[@poisonfan1979]

Love how you tell the truth about Aikido I hate when everyone knocks Aikido oh this wont work in MMA or any other type of fight and I'm like thats because its not for that its for self defense Aikido is not about wanting to hurt the other person its about changing the flow and if you have to apply some pain to get the person to stop attacking you then it will be very painful for them. Anyway sorry for the rambling on just wanted to say great job on the video keep it up 👍

[@o.o.agboola5817]

Tell me you watched Gordon Solie without telling me you watched Gordon Solie, lol.

[@bensmith9253]

Oh a "supleé"... well la di da Mr French Man. 😜🤣

[@ChuShinTani]

Even the French say "souplex"- so I just said it plain wrong.

[@maxsette80]

Sorry, my cellphone has problems with the wordbook. Every english word i like to write its translating in German...

[@vicmeyer7190]

Das ist eine Schande

[@igaluitchannel6644]

That's up to the skill and reflexes of the individual. People should stop blaming systems for being ineffective.

[@user-kp3hd9wr4w]

you would be surprised by how thugs on the street wouldnt use any grappling move at all. I dont know why the reason tho, because I am not them, maybe just because they are stupid but because of recent revelation that shows me aikido move cannot be used on wrestler, I make a new move to counter double leg takedown based on aikido move. if only I have a friend who like martial art too, maybe I can video it and show it to the world. just if... the move is like this, if they grab our legs, then we immediately crouch with one leg going far to the back. as we crouch, we must also grab their arms through the armpits. after we crouch perfectly, then pull all of our body to the leg that we place far away on the back, and immediately, our opponent would felt like they got pulled over by a car and falling on their front helplessly. from then on you can apply aikido move on the hand

[@MrNickW123]

That's a sprawl

[@krupalvithlani]

A lot of times you'll find situations like different aikido grabs or someone over extending themselves if you're maintaining good distance, which you would do if you have no intention to fight. A lot of times I hear on KZbin you can't hit without getting hit. But I don't want to hit unless I have to because even if I knock him down and he doesn't have any friends around there are still legal and moral implications. That's the whole point of using something like aikido.

[@kenirawadi4689]

You are absolutely correct. Aikido is the pinnacle of Budo. Just imagine you hit someone then he/she died. Although you defenced yourself but still you could be jailed etc. With Aikido basically you align and in synergy with your enemy. Many ppl do not understand this. The real Aikido is to make your enemy to resonate with your "weavelengh".

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

To be fair, i still think there's a Judo throw that's very suitable against an armed opponent and it's very high percentage compare to Ikkyo : Seoi Nage. There's a reason why people teach it in alot of law enforcement forces around the world and there's already a few cases where police officers managed to pull it off against machete or knife wielding maniacs.

[@prvtthd401]

True, though Seoi Nage doesn't protect the offender against himself. I am also a big fan of Tai Otoshi, because of the distance compared to koshi-waza and seoi nage when it comes to weapons. Also the fact that you will not end up in a body lock as easily after failing your throw is a huge advantage. However this one is maybe even more harmful to the assaulter because it is a free fall. Besides that, Ikkyo still has better recovery than Tai Otoshi in case of failing because it creates even more distance than Tai Otoshi when failing.

[@minorityofone1510]

Full shoulder throws also potentially work because you can execute the throw having kept the attackers arm fully extended

[@davida.rosales6025]

Actually Judo.has plenty of throws suitable for armed opponents, but you have to practice to apply them that way. The way the hands are places on neck and arm are a legacy of that. It's just that because of its focus as a sport people haven't continued to train that application. But in all judo situations, the hand grabbing the opponent's arm/sleeve is supposed to be holding the wrist of someone holding a weapon.

[@JeanMichelAbrassart]

Make sense.

[@ChiefChief6868]

🤍💯

[@FR3NS1S]

I like you your point of view, your videos and even your Aikido; but your only explanation of how Aikido works is to connect it to weapons control. The Aikido community as a whole can and should do better than that. Aikido is clearly not the best art for disarming blades, so why using only that argument to justify all the techniques? If we use it WITHOUT a blade involved, it must have an explanation unarmed as well. What you're showing is the history of the technique, not how to use it. These are history book talks.

[@mikewiest5135]

That’s a fair question about unarmed techniques but the armed part is still relevant (not just historical) given that knife attacks still happen.

[@eclipsewrecker]

Which martial art is good for disarming?

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

None, all disarm techniques suck and very low percentage no matter the style. It's just a cherry on top if you managed to get more control of the weapon while wrestling for that weapon

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

History of the techniques provide the context for how to use it. They were clearly never meant for modern day unarmed attacks where everyone got influenced by the UFC and at least have something in their arsenals. We could never know someone we picked fights with could suplex our heads on concrete

[@FR3NS1S]

@@eclipsewrecker Kali seems to implement a live system for knife fighting and creating chances of disarming, also there are lots of self defence systems heavily pressure tested

[@tandendo]

I thought Aikido take can be illegal in other martial arts especially in Judo.

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

How ? They're freakin low percentage takedowns and will never as effective as basic throws and submission holds that JUdo, BJJ, Catch....teach you

[@prvtthd401]

Ikkyo and Rokkyo (ude kime osea/wake gatame) are both legal in Judo. In UFC, you are allowed to do standing locks, even finger locks if you can bend all fingers at once. Rules are definitely not an explanation for the low usage in other martial arts.

[@based_prophet]

regaurdless wat ppl say these arts was used to repel the Mongol invasion by concept no concept style..