Air Cooling vs Watercooling... Which is right for you?

[@anonymous4gent]

I live in Canada, so no cooling. I use my CPU to keep my heating bills down.

[@chilly243]

So thats where all this "global warming" is coming from! Pls, for the love of the flying Mountie, lower your power limits ;-)

[@saiprakashbaral8526]

​@c😅hilly243 Canada is one of those places that needs global warming

[@goldenheartOh]

Sign up for Folding at Home and heat your house while your PC fights cancer! Or you can volunteer your pc's processing power for any number of other research projects with that app, but I think its mainly for calculating protein folds. My room would get toasty after a night of processing with my 2070 Super & 3700x.

[@macblink]

hahaa bro keeps warm and cozy on his PC, rocking the stock cooler 😆

[@KeinNiemand]

Electricity is way more expensice then heating by other means

[@__murf]

I literally only just noticed that whenever I hear an American talking about PC temps that they talk in Celsius not Fahrenheit.. my little metric mind is blown

[@scubasteve53]

C makes for lower numbers than f its not actually cooler but the number is lower , pc gamers are obsessed with numbers , the lower the better on temps the higher the better in clock and fps , its dumb but... well people are dumb so it makes sense Edit In a moment of self awareness I just realized i am also one of those dumb people lol I think its just a subconscious desire , or to more easily compair performance because everyone measures temps in c

[@Jwellsuhhuh]

@@scubasteve53 lmao

[@AlphaMachina]

Yeah, I always stick with Celsius for monitoring temps. I think subconsciously we want that number to be lower, and Celsius gets us a lower "number" than Fahrenheit, despite the value or variable being the same.

[@__murf]

@UCld-0hKL3rcQeb3yIIA6LQA 1:54 - and give full measure when you measure.. unless its core temps, then measure in Celsius, as it look smaller

[@sleezuskryst1246]

Yeah that gotta do everything different from the rest of the world 😂

[@wolf001cmd]

I had an AIO leak ( from the radiator of all places, pinhole size ), and that firmly put me back on air coolers. Nothing to break, aside from easily replaced fans.

[@PabzRoz]

@@skeetlejuice522 How's that gunna help him? He said his AIO had a leak. That smart reservoir that Linus reviewed is only for custom loops. AIO's are one single unit hence the name AIO (All in one). You can't connect a reservoir to them.

[@DATBOCK]

@@skeetlejuice522 useless for an aio liquid cooler

[@How23497]

@@skeetlejuice522 on an AIO yeah?

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@PabzRoz Go fucking watch the video before making a comment that makes you look ignorant AF. IT helps because it would have held pressure on that pinhole, keeping it from leaking.

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

@@How23497 Sure, Pull the line off the radiator on the aio and run it in the loop. Not hard... You people seem to think AIO are like sealed and cannot be opened... Give that hose a good yank and it will slide right off your AiO radiator.

[@Sercil00]

I like the idea of having an AiO, but ultimately, I have to go with air cooling. The AiO only increases the points of failure. The pump can fail, leaving me with practically no cooling. If the fan on the air cooler fails, the CPU is still passively cooled, which won't be enough for heavy loads but should be ok for the most essential work and for ordering a new fan. The AiO can also leak and destroy the whole system, and it requires more maintenance. The air cooler manages fine even under maximum load, so I won't fix what ain't broke.

[@Bossfightmedia]

Same Idea here. What can fail, usually will at some point.

[@benjamin-sch]

@@Bossfightmedia Well Murphy's Law still lives, but the point of fans failing and not just replacing them seems weirdly specific for me. I wouldn't live more than two days using my pc with broken CPU fans, and not do anything about it

[@mikem9536]

You can also build in redundancy with air cooling, if my cpu fan dies, I still have an 80mm pushing air at it via an air duct.

[@Chopper153]

Everyone knows this. Why do air-cooler users have to lecture others what to use? Just use what you want. I use water cooling but won't rant how bad the performance of air-coolers are.

[@Antoinne]

@@Chopper153 you were literally in a comparison video between air vs water cooling. Ofc everyone will point out the pro and cons between both cooling. What kind of discussion you wish to see here??

[@MonoMan1]

"Processors used to be very inefficient" A statement that will hold true in perpetuity.

[@Mike__B]

Say what you will, was quite nice early CPU I had that didn't require any cooling methods, no fans, not even a heatsink. Although didn't take long to enter the dark ages where they'd put tiny whine machines on to cool CPUs.

[@robertt9342]

@@Mike__B . It was so massive compared to the transistor count that the chip was the heat sink and could be passively cooled.. It’s like people waxing nostalgically over the model T

[@pavelperina7629]

Yeah, depends. My Athlon XP 1700 with GeForce 2 had power consumption 90W idle and 130W at load. My Core2Duo with passive cooled NVidia that got very hot had 60W idle and 140W at load. My i5-4590 with GeForce 1060 ... i don't know - CPU cooler is cold even when CPU is at load, GPU is rated 120W so maybe I can reach 200W or so, but I think it's more power efficient that idle PentiumIII as CPU and PSU fans are barely spinning and only somewhat hot part is the chipset. Now I have Ryzen 7 2700x at work which has up to 145W and orderered 5900x which is the same. New high end intels are going to have 240W. I think I've seen Pentium IV that had ... i cant remember maybe something like 160W idle and 200W at load.

[@MonoMan1]

@@pavelperina7629 I mean, yeah older CPUs used less power and/or required less cooling. But each new CPU gives much more performance, hence they're still more efficient. Of course, there are some exceptions like the 10900k vs the 11900k which "would be better as sand on a beach." But generally the statement holds true.

[@samiam9059]

AMD is more efficient than the new 12th generation Intels... Those are back to brute force power draws.

[@HelplessTeno]

Another 2 years after this video, air coolers are still killing it. Even at 200W+ under unrealistic loads, coolers like the NH-D15 and even the $40 TR Assassin keep temps well under 90c. Between that and the reliability/lack of leak potential, I've stuck with air coolers. If you're rocking an overclocked i9-12900KS and a 4090, you might be better off with at least an AIO to keep case temps down for the graphics card. Otherwise, I think air coolers are best for most people.

[@Magic_Muffin]

God loves and cares about you and will always be there for you no matter what✝️❤️

[@pradhumpatel5400]

i have 13700kf processor was using stock cooler got with the processor, temp reached 100 max all time and made my cpu dead got replaced under warranty. Now i want to know which cooler will be best fit for my processor kindly help

[@therealScopolamine]

Even 80 Celsius is too hot. I would hope it would be under 90 because that's when ur cpu starts to get damaged. I wouldn't want my cpu hitting 70 except under max load.

[@ReddwarfIV]

​@pradhumpatel5400 I recommend Be Quiet Dark Rock coolers. My two older PCs with 2nd and 3rd gen CPUs have Dark Rock Slims while my newest PC with an 11th gen CPU has a Dark Rock 4. Depends what fits in your case, obviously, but these are quiet and effective coolers for mid-range PCs.

[@hades4438]

@@therealScopolamine Your CPU never gets damage because of heat if it's not over 120 C and it will shot down before that. So this is a totally false information. 90C even 100C is normal for Intels and they can go on forever with that heat. The CPU already slows down to no pass that limit. So if you use the CPU at around 90-95, this means, it won't able to use full potantial and I repeat this does not damage anything. 80 C is ultra fine and you will just hear a loud fan. I don't know where you get those infos but I can assure you, you are wrong.

[@sneedsneed460]

Ive been into watercooling for a while, but recently went to all air cooling with a Noctua D15 Chromax and I really am enjoying the simplicity. The temps are still amazing and it just works.

[@christophergaumond1901]

i just purchased a redux i hope it will be good

[@RMquickbit]

@Todd K the stress on the motherboard is nothing unless your yanking your pc off your desk, then throwing it to a couch. Then throw it into your car, drive on a bumpy road for 8 hours. With all those jerks and vibrations, yes the stress on the mobo could be affected. Otherwise. You’re good to go

[@RMquickbit]

@Todd K add in 99% of KZbin creators don’t build with gpu support brackets. Jesus have you seen the 40degree gpu sag on so many builds. It works but I’d never be comfortable with that specifically. That pcie lane might be reinforced but on a card so heavy and the amount on pins on a x16 slot. You’re more likely to toast a gpu from its sag versus a cpu tower cooler applying incorrect pressure to the cpu/mb which results in damage… anyway

[@reddragon4482]

I bought one but it rattles my case for some reason? Does that happen to you or anyone? I changed to a watercooler and it doesn't do it anymore.

[@dosansss]

Noice.. that d15 will outlive you .. im on the opposite side, this 2 years i've been using custom loop for my pc.. when im doing maintenance it took a whole day just to tear and cut a new pipe. But the nice thing is its very silent and my pc runs 24/7

[@ScoobGruber]

One thing that makes me want to switch to water cooling is access around the cpu. Not that you have to do it much but trying to push the gpu release clamp is really hard if you have a large cpu cooler.

[@narwhal9852]

use a pen lol

[@megadeth440]

i've always used chop sticks to do that

[@hollymolly518]

@@narwhal9852 used so much force and slip and punctured my motherboard...

[@mre8ballgaming842]

True

[@ProrockAegwynn]

Same here with my NH D15. I've actually broken off my clamp with a screwdriver by accident and in the end it was the best thing that could've happened, now i can just take it out with ease and it's still tight in the slot.

[@flavio-machado]

Ryzen 3900x; Noctua D-15, Highest temps are 60-64 (rendering). Enviroment temp: 27-32 C

[@Jasontyo]

I have a 3900x with a Hyper 212 RGB Black Push/Pull, its fine. 50's-60's

[@k4rim865]

Thats my idle temp. Damn. Is my chip damaged or something?

[@andreidavid145]

Ryzen 5 3600; Noctua D-15S, Core P3 (Open air case). Awesome thermals.

[@andreidavid145]

@Swifty9748 D-15 is an awesome choice. Just double check that it will fit

[@uncrunch398]

My 3950x at idle, with a water cooler. Running in silent mode though.

[@GamersName]

gaming at night when temps drop to 20C is a thing right now

[@royvice666]

Yeah...NO, the temps drop outside, but in my room i haven't seen the temps drop to below 28C for......it's been 21 days now...yeah, last time i saw temps below 27C was june 25th i think... Maybe it is a thing to other people but night or day it makes no diference in my situation :(

[@magnusnilsson9792]

Nah, the sun is still up at midnight here.

[@shitpostcentraI]

I almost only exclusively use my pc at night due to this

[@SCHTRAM]

@@Venoox Ye man I have a small apartment, all windows open+porch door+a bigass 1m tall floor fan unit. My ap isnt dropping sub 26.

[@royvice666]

@@shitpostcentraI I know, right?

[@get2choppa]

as cool and good as watercooling can be, good air cooling is just so much less of a hassle

[@ShinyMooTank]

Air cooler will never go bad and Noctua offer free mount upgrades to their cooler when AMD changes Socket/mount. You keep the air cooler and get a new mount. If a fan goes bad spend $10 - $20 and you're back in business. Very simple unlike AIO where there more failure points and not very easy to fix like the pump.

[@twitchmania7614]

I have an aio for about 3 years and i havnt had a single problem. 100 percent hassle free. Just like an air cooler. And if it does go bad. Ill just buy a new one.

[@bubkusjones]

Till you're trying to get enough cooling capacity and fit in tall RGB RAM, and have a motherboard where the primary PCIe slot is right next to the CPU. Then a good air cooler is a major hassle. That's my main reason for liking water cooling, you move the bulk (in both volume and mass) away from the crowded motherboard and to the frame of the case.

[@dildojizzbaggins6969]

@@ShinyMooTank *you're (short for "you are")

[@JCrook1028]

@@twitchmania7614 3 years is supposed to be some special long time?

[@C-M-E]

My first watercooled rig I was running a 1090T Black and rendering ALL the time. Absolutely necessary back then as Jay pointed out. Though now that I split my time between engineering modeling, renders and heavy simulations, I'm still an avid watercooling advocate. My work office at home in Texas gets pretty toasty the majority of the year and is mostly detached (outside of a door) from the rest of the house, so maintaining an air temp that makes the PC happy is strategic at the best of times. The office has heat and AC of sorts--the 'modular' kind--but of the three PC's I've built with watercooling, all of them are still 100% functional and in use. One of them has that same watercooler from the 1090T that's going on a decade of use and still perfectly serviceable; I've only replaced the fans on it. It's in use right now, and I wonder from time to time what kind of record for longevity it aims to set between it and my truck. 😁

[@C-M-E]

@@sierraecho884 Funnily enough since I posted this, I put in a 5900x with a mild OC that runs up to 4950MHz on boost and is straight aircooled with a pair of 5600rpm server case fans. I may or may not have karma'ed my watercooled setup, replaced it with a ginormous 5 gallon reservoir and a 4" thick massively oversized heat exchanger via DIY plumber's nightmare, and later that month we had a power outage and all my sh!t froze solid. I had an oldschool 212 Black on the shelf and never got back around to swapping it out.😁 I still do all the rendering and prototyping, probably run harder than I ever did on the old Intel CPU watercooled. The 'project of the day' (more like of the month) which seems to change between CFD, Zbrush and SolidEdge-type stuff project dependant, will get a little toasty but after an hour or so, it's never gone over 70*C even on days like this year where the outside ambient temp is at 110*F and the office is Warm! Granted the fans sound like two jet engines at full song, but that's nothing I can't drown out with good speakers. 😉

[@Damion.Reno.1980]

Is it easy to empty the water and replace it when you maintenance it??

[@C-M-E]

@@Damion.Reno.1980 My custom loop if you want to call it that is as easy as turning off the pc and pulling fittings from the return lines, then cycling out the bucket. Takes maybe 15 minutes if I dawdle. I don't do it all that often as it's a 5 gallon bucket that's sealed from ingress, so I swap the fluid from diluted windshield washer fluid and several jugs of distilled water, at least once a year because I OD about things, but you could certainly do it less often. I'm actually prototyping my own watercooler solution as we speak, which reduces down to general purpose pond pump, a goodly/oversized oil cooler (had barbed 3/8ths fittings that pair nicely with 10mm silicone tubing) and my own design for the mount and cooling apparatus; it's party trick is the composite ceramic base section that is Extremely effective at transferring heat from the CPU that theoretically doesn't need the water component, but I thought it'd be a fun challenge to implement and try new techniques thought impossible for this application.

[@Damion.Reno.1980]

@C-M-E i appreciate the information man

[@C-M-E]

@@Damion.Reno.1980 No problem! You'll be super impressed what you can get out of ~$70 in parts and tubing. Thermal saturation is almost impossible with such a large reservoir that will cool at or slightly below ambient before all of it cycles through again. And you can get as stupid as you want optimizing everything. A single row oil cooler is more than enough, and you can get them for like $30-40 off amazon new. A simple pond pump, $20-30 for a good unit (I get mine from Harbor Freight; look for the 200GPH or better so you have a little overhead to work with on flow volume). You probably have a few case fans for the radiator, but I've also experimented with fluid-cooled coolers that go fanless. Little bit more investment, but you can get insanely good cooling cycles with a good setup.

[@thegreatboto]

I've always been in the air cooling camp due to there being fewer thing to break/go wrong, general convenience, less maintenance, and a good air cooler has pretty decent performance overall considering the prior considerations. Though, water setups almost always look super and I appreciate the effort that goes into putting those loops together. Just have never been into putting together a loop myself. Keep it up Jay!

[@Nnamz]

Me: Do we really need another one of these videos? Also me: *watches entire video*

[@darrenmaharaj]

Some PC builders were not born the last time Jay did his last water VS air video.

[@lifeisinserthere]

Hahaha I love getting drunk and/or stoned..and playing JTC videos I've already watched half a dozen times, just to pick up what I didn't know last time I watched the same video.

[@albundy7718]

The real Reason Watercooling is getting more popular lately is simply that Cases with Glas-Windows together with RGB became popular.

[@Blafard666]

And also they do better at cooling.

[@GlennsHardWired]

Hey kid. Get off Dad's Dell. Your talking nonsensense again.

[@vuongpham6661]

www.youtubesolit.com/watch?v=yIGqWNjhsFo

[@MrBeetsGaming]

@@GlennsHardWired Too bad he's 100% right....

[@TheBiggestMoronYouKnow]

that and noise

[@DeusMachina71]

I watercooled my last build because I have a compact atx case and it was easier to top mount the radiator and it takes up much much less space inside the case which makes accessing the internals such much easier and I can finally use all my ram slots without worrying about needing ultra low profile memory that gets covered by the cpu cooler no matter what.. slightly quieter with the right noctua fans as well, additionally it doesn't literally sit directly on top of the quite massive for my case rtx 3080. Watercooling is not dead at all

[@tiloalo]

Sounds like a bunch of excuses... recent air cooler have zero issue with ram clearance, and you don't need to take the hugest block available, plenty are super compact and more than enough for cooling. And that noctua fan can only be quieter on an air setup, compared to the same fan + the water pump. Aio are sexy pieces, but they don't really make sense except for threadripper and extreme build

[@nickcifarelli8887]

what I like most about your videos is your attitude. How you talk, your pragmatic approach to figuring shit out, simple logic and to the point. Carry on Lad!!!

[@CommodoreFan64]

I've tried my hand at AIO water cooling, and had a pump fail in less than a year, I have a PC on air cooling that has been running the same air cooler for over a decade still going strong with just changing the thermal past once a year or so, and giving it a good clean.

[@DrSpaceman42]

Yes the longevity of a good air cooler is unmatched

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@DrSpaceman42 100%, and I do a fair bit of PC salvage from my local recycle drop off, and 9 times out of 10 unless it's just totally trashed, I can usually save a decent air cooler with just a good cleaning, fan lube/replacement fan if possible/needed, and fresh silver thermal paste.

[@johannesbohm6458]

7:25 nope thats not how physics work... All the heat from the CPU will be transfered to the air, no mater what kind of cooler you use. If your CPU draws 100W you have a 100W heating element. Aircooling does not magicly lower your Power consumption.

[@adamkirby5986]

I have scrolled further down the comments than I thought possible to see this correction. Quite scary...how many people missed this error! Thanks for restoring my lost faith and brain cells. :D

[@niko5514]

You are with your comment not completely correct either. The total energy of the system stays the same (first law of thermodynamics). 100W is not a measurement of energy but a measurement of power (work/time). There is no physical reason for the power of a system to remain constant. Water has a very high specific heat capacity. Therefore (compared to other common materials) a high amount of energy is necessary to raise the temperature of water. Thus this energy is transformed and can't be used to spread into the room immediately as a rate of work. But when the water temperature decreases this absorbed heat will be released and spread into the room. Thus heating the room up at a later time. This explains a common experience if you have a walk by a big lake. In the winter it feels warmer and in the summer it feels colder.

[@johannesbohm6458]

@@niko5514 I know. I just simplified the matter since in the end its going to have an similar result...

[@WayStedYou]

I was gonna say what the fuck is jay talking about

[@niko5514]

@Q - AGEIDO Well if one is to change the boundary and initial conditions and don't assume equal heat (loading conditions) for the different cooling solutions than one might find your argument appealing. Our arguments above where guided by comparison under the same loading conditions. Which usually is the way to compare two technical systems in the first place for a specific property. You are arguing with the classical "rebound effect". Nevertheless this effect is highly depending on the use case. For example: I would argue that a decent CPU like a 5800X will not produce more heat on a Noctua air-cooler than on a water-cooling solution. Your original argument is only valid in a user case which involves a bad air-cooler vs. a good water-cooler or a crazy CPU.

[@VictorTorres-iw3ue]

Thanks Jayz. Living in the tropics, your info considering room temperature is gold.

[@brilliantlysplendid]

I’ve always liked the way that the giant air cooling towers look, especially that double tower. It’s an entire cube of heatsink! That being said, I can’t fit one of those in my case, it’s a cooler master elite 110. Maybe I just have a thing for cubes..

[@Theres_No_PlanetB]

Same. Dang some cases can't fit larger air coolers

[@iyeetsecurity922]

There's always ice _cubes_ then. Just put em in a ziploc and your rig'll be good and chilly.

[@Kryptic1046]

You dastardly cubist.

[@MidinVal]

Looks like a giant electric transformer station LOL

[@JustIn-sr1xe]

I have that same case. I modified the height of the psu bracket to closer to the lid. and made some cuts to add in a 3 slot gpu...

[@IDoNotLikeHandlesOnYT]

With the rise of 3D printing, I'm surprised we haven't seen lots of people making custom air ducts/guides to control exactly where the air goes inside the case. I don't think it'd have to be at the level of the Power Mac G5's ducting to be beneficial. Simple prints could help with getting cool air to the CPU cooler (like how Intel tried to popularize ducted side intakes many years ago) and getting its hot air directly out of the case. It could also help with, e.g., VRM cooling when the CPU has a waterblock and therefore no fan-just put a small and slow fan nearby with a custom duct over the VRM area. And if you want three intake fans on the front and three exhaust fans on top (in a "normal" tower case), you could print a baffle to go diagonally down from the top front of the case toward the middle, to prevent the air from the top intake fan being immediately extracted by the front exhaust fan.

[@kbjis]

3d printing is actually expensive AF.

[@deathfromace]

@@kbjis Is still is? I figured it all went down in price massively by now

[@fynn8252]

@@deathfromace It's not super expensive to start but if you want to get all crazy with custom air ducts, you would need a lot of CAD experience.

[@fenrir7969]

@@kbjis Not really. An Ender 3 and a brain is all you need to get started.

[@charljefa]

PLA 3D printing wouldn't be 100% waterproof - PLA is the most common 3D printing by far nowdays SLA could potentially be if done properly

[@Alex82pd]

All perfect and useful. There is a thing though: I would add the difference with building a custom loop. I did have an aio, but as you said the main heat generator is not the CPU, but the GPU with almost 350w on the 3080. So I removed the aio and installed a custom loop. The GPU of course thanked me heavily, it changed the GPU like night and day. The CPU also has improved to be honest compared to the aio, despite the aio being a corsair with dual 140mm fans.. I suspect it is because the water flow is much higher and that increases the efficiency of the heat exchange of the plate on the cpu itself. Having tried them all, I see little improvement using an aio l, but massive benefits with a custom loop, for the gpu mainly

[@Opt1685]

Yes! My GPU used to be air cooled. Ran hot and sounded like a jet during games. Switched to water, the temps literally dropped 20 degrees and is now silent. IMO it's a much better investment to water cool the GPU.

[@TravisFabel]

AIOs may eventually die out in popularity because they're generally not much better than good air coolers. But a real custom loop, can make a huge difference.

[@blagmate5516]

I appreciate the simplicity of an AIO. I recently transferred my main rig to a Corsair 4000D Airflow case from a Corsair 220T case. I installed a Corsair three fan AIO. The cooling difference shocked me, if I may be frank. I haven't checked how as yet, but I would like to AIO cool my GPU with a two fan AIO in the case top.

[@TTks124]

GPUs are very easy too cool on air if done properly. Heat density and transfer is a very, if not the most important factor in water cooling vs aircooling, and srry to say this but JAY here get soo much wrong, as it's expected from a custom water cooling guy. Even tho water have much higher thermal capacity, it also has a lot worst heat transfer than raw metal, or a vapor chamber, which means air coolers let the heat go, much easier and faster. So in the end, you have a top air cooler performing almost equally with a good 280/360 at same noise ratio, when transfer is good and heat concentration is not that high. Say a 5950x running at 200w. That being said a loop will always keep the heat more evenly spread throughout the loop, which means it will always have a lower temperature on the coldplate, and it will always be more beneficial for low TDP and high density CPUs with bad thermal transfer. A 3080 might consume a lot of power, but it has direct contact and a very large die. A 5800x, packs a lot more power and thus heat in a lot less space, not to mention the IHS, despite consuming a third of a 3080. A good 3080 like a tuf or msi x trio, that has a good stock radiator it's only bottlenecked by the shitty fans it comes with and case airflow, especially now with the fashion of having a PSU shroud in a 40-45L case. Now take that GPU, remove its plastic shroud and slap 2x120x25 fans on it, and chose and optimize the case the best you can in the PSU shroud area (perforated shroud, hdd drive cage removed, solid removable bits of the shroud removed, excess cabling tucked behind the motherboard etc.) Run mesh case like that with its fans at 700-800rpm under load. That GPU with the fans around 800-1000rpm will sit in the mid-high 50s to low 60s. ON AIR and at a 350w load with a $30 mod.

[@Alex82pd]

@@TTks124 well, the 3080 founder I have had the fans ramping up to max, cooling below 70c, then temperature was left going above 70 and fans were ramping up again. I made all the changes in the case I could, increasing the air flow from the front, exhausting top and back, installed temp sensors... The condition was stabilized with noise from the fans and the temp on its 70c setpoint eventually. With the custom loop the gpu now doesn't go above 50/55c top, fans of the radiator reach just above half of their speed and the control is smooth due to the thermal mass of the water, and it holds clock at 1980. The PC is silent as it has never been before. It is a bit expensive, but my thinking here for the video is that while I see little effect to have an aio instead of air cooling just for the cpu, the custom loop extremely benefit my gpu, and also has improved the cpu due to higher water flow compared to the aio. Maybe some custom 3080s have better cooling, but with the case having to dissipate320w of gpu and 130w of cpu, fans and all will make some noise inevitably, and agree the case would need to be large. I am just using 2x 240mm radiators in my setup...

[@trifilosgr]

For me it also makes a difference if you’re using a dehumidifier Edit: dust is also a thing so maybe having a dust proof case with hepa filters and regularly cleaning it, I believe it would make a difference. Also an air cleaner and an external cooler near pc would be a nice thing to try.

[@eneomaos33]

What do you mean? What difference does a dehumidifier make?

[@alexbarnwell7732]

Humidity changes the thermal conductivity and capacity of air

[@iseeu-fp9po]

@@alexbarnwell7732 Could you please elaborate on that? The more humid the air the worse thermal conductivity or the other way around?

[@mandavaler]

Simply having a portable/window ac unit in the bedroom keeps temps low enough to have no worries about ambient temps

[@boulx]

@@mandavaler not cheap. i live in Cambodia and it s only fans day time

[@colinjava8447]

I like custom watercooling, for the aesthetics, temps, quietness. The costs and maintenance are annoying though. I like coming up with new ideas for my loop and implementing them though.

[@travisdonotsuscribegototjs9323]

Right, i have a solid panel BeQuite Case so ended up doing barbed fittings with braided Tubing to prevent a line collapsing

[@mrtoasticles7144]

What maintenance are there for aio ?

[@colinjava8447]

@@mrtoasticles7144 nothing really, just cleaning dust out of fans

[@mrtoasticles7144]

@@colinjava8447 idk im scared of aios cuz i heard they can leak but they look so goo. I want a cooler master 240 one.

[@colinjava8447]

@@mrtoasticles7144 it's possible but it's pretty unlikely. I wouldn't be put off by it personally if I was getting an AIO, unless it was some very cheap brand/model.

[@feelsgoodmanjpg7762]

I've built a custom loop this year. Really love how quiet my PC runs now. What I don't like about air cooling is, that the fans are ramping up pretty fast when entering a game or starting heave load. The water cooling chills until it reaches about 35°C water temp. The only downside (besides the price) is that my RX6900XT has pretty load coil wine, which is very noticeably now :D

[@meepmeep8875]

Have ya looked at the EK Liquid Devil variant to add it to your loop? I'm planning on doing my first custom loop and goin ham with it

[@yae_123]

Uses a noctua cooler. To this day, I have not noticed any major noise issues when gaming.

[@ZombieRommel]

I have quiet noctua fans myself but I never really understood noise complaints. I game with closed back headphones (DT 770 Pros) which are very noise isolating, and I wouldn't be able to hear a burglar smashing my windows with them on when game audio is blaring, much less a cpu fan ramping up. I highly suspect people who complain about fan noise are gaming on a speaker setup or are using open back headphones.

[@whatjake7898]

@@ZombieRommel Thank you! When gamers bring up this argument I always say there is no way they even hear a swat team breaking in let alone a fan in a PC. Plus they have fans on the radiators that are doing the same thing. It’s a terrible argument.

[@Magnulus76]

CPU fans are why, back in the day, you didn't place a gaming PC at ear level to show off to your friends or be a fashion statement. Once you put your PC under a desk, you don't really notice the noise any more than you would a console.

[@Eclipezz]

Jay, Its not the thermal capacity of water vs air, its the thermal capacity of the water vs the metal used in the aircooling heatsink

[@aaronthomas6155]

It's not even the thermal capacity of water....since the liquid in an AIO isn't pure water.....

[@radioactium]

@@aaronthomas6155 at that point you're being pedantic, you know that when people say water they just mean the fluid inside the loop. And I've heard of people just using distilled water in custom loops so it's not like that's entirely out of the question either.

[@hsharma3933]

@@aaronthomas6155 You’re right. It’s not pure water, and the added solutes actually increase the boiling point… that’s how antifreeze works. Might want to read up on boiling point elevation and freezing point depression. It’s chemistry 101

[@hsharma3933]

@@radioactium certain solutes in water that are present in the coolant fluids, when maintained in the right balance, actually increase performance vs water.

[@xeridea]

@@aaronthomas6155 It isn't all water, but the other solution still has a lot higher thermal capacity than copper or aluminum. Metal has high thermal conductivity, but very little thermal capacity. This is why with water cooling you won't reach max temp for around 30 minutes, it takes a lot of energy to heat water, while with an air cooler, temp will peak quickly, within a minute... and then a little more as case heats up, depending on airflow of case.

[@kzm4275]

5900X here with PBO on, with a Dark Rock Pro 4. Idle, it stays at around 30-33C. 50% CPU load, it goes up to 53C. When super heavy on the CPU (95-100%), I've seen it go up to 70C, nothing more than that. Super happy with the DRP4!!

[@james3429]

I got a Dark Rock Pro 4 for my i9 9900kf. I haven't really done much testing. Seems to do okay though.

[@davids8628]

FINALLY an updated video for this topic. I feels like its only covered well in like 1 or 2 videos on youtube.

[@itsdeonlol]

I will just stick to air cooling. It's reliable & I can rest my mind with ease.

[@mohammedbenbrika394]

Even though water may be better sometimes, I still love the look of a huge heat sink dominating the view in the window

[@1nsurgent]

same, have you seen that Scythe Ninja 5 cpu cooler

[@smokeyninja9920]

On the other hand, I love the look of my 1280mm rad sitting next to my case

[@jonasvogel3672]

Very late to the party, but I decided to go with an AIO for the aesthetics. The area around the CPU becomes pretty lean and I actually get a good luck at the entire motherboard, which is loads better to look at then a cumbersome aircooler, plus I don't have to worry about clearance. I am not running particularly heavy loads, but I want my PC to look a bit nicer overall.

[@thechemtrailkid]

Ha, I'm the exact opposite. I love the looks of a big air cooler, especially the blacked out NH D15; I think I like how it makes the case look fuller. Between decent AIO and air coolers though it's basically all preference save for clearance issues.

[@Chopper153]

@@thechemtrailkid Not for modern power hungry CPUs. I had to buy an AIO for my 13600k because the huge NHD15 won't fit in my case and perform worse than an AIO.

[@ishraqmirza2724]

@@Chopper153 my 7700x works fine on a d15s, without pbo…

[@mikem9536]

@@Chopper153 It won't perform worse than an AIO if installed correctly.

[@nuri2118]

@@Chopper153 Than you fcked something up. Cooling with my Noctua D-15 for years and never let me down. Always had problems with the aio softwares and i will never go back to water cooling again.

[@Astro-ck6mh]

There's one thing that I must disagree with. Air or water cooling will heat up the room by the same amount assuming that your GPU/CPU is running at the same power. Only difference is that your GPU/CPU will reach higher temperature on air because the heat transfer is not as efficient, but the amount of watts to dissipate is the same for air/water once equilibrium is reached.

[@dralord1307]

Glad I wasnt only person that noticed that bit of thermal insanity lol

[@ivoivanov7407]

Exactly! If the CPU draws 50W (that is 50A@1V), the cooler, no mater air or water, will have to transfer 50W of heat into the room. J2C and the New Thermodynamics...

[@rikwisselink-bijker]

The point is that on water the CPU/GPU is cooler, making it probably turbo higher (or not throttling), drawing more power, leading to more heat in the room. If you have a fixed power draw for either air or water, then it doesn't matter.

[@Astro-ck6mh]

@@rikwisselink-bijker agreed 100%. It's just the way that Jay said it sounded wrong, but he probably meant what you just explained.

[@Chauncey1124]

What happened to the engine block custom build I was really looking forward to seeing you guys finish that build

[@pauld4238]

It had a non-factory tune on it and wouldn’t pass inspection in California now, so they shelved it.

[@Wanted_Tiger]

@@pauld4238bruh.....

[@deadly_mir]

It most likely got put on hold, builds like that take a bit of time and a decent amount of effort and planning. He said he wanted to or might If I recall, so he didnt guarantee he'd do it. If he is doing it just give him a while, the market situation and youtube tech vid algorithm is all over the place and is difficult to plan around currently. Basically he just wants to make content we all enjoy and that they enjoy making! So for now just think of it as being on hold for a bit unless he updates on it!

[@Wanted_Tiger]

@@deadly_mir yep i'm with ya on that point , just hope it does not end up like Red Dead Redemption build did.

[@walterday8933]

@@pauld4238 - Damned C.A.R.B. and their standards!

[@waveformdistortion]

I use a custom loop, but with an old CPU block (XSPC Raystorm) that I haven't bothered upgrading in many years because I like the way it looks. It's cooling my 10700K well enough that I haven't paid attention to the temperature at all to know what it's running at. More interesting, at least to me, is the EK full cover block that I just picked up on a clearance sale for my GTX 1070. I figured if I can't get a new graphics card, I could at least keep the clock speed as high as possible on the one that I have. That GPU now runs at ~35-38C under full load. Air conditioning keeps my living room in the low 20s range, so a rise of 10 to 15 degrees is just awesome. I have a temperature sensor installed in the endtank of one of the radiators, and I use the reading from that as the input source to control my fan speed so it ramps up and down evenly even if the CPU or GPU is not under load while the other one is.

[@EverythingisFire]

Damn. That's some great temp performance on your GPU. I have (am stuck) with a 1070 also. It's an Asus blower style that sits at 65-70c.

[@paulchamberlain7942]

Thank you for this summary. I have only ever used air coolers, passive where possible, and never seriously considered water cooling. You just convinced me to stay with air cooling for the forseeable future. I had never before considered that the distinction between the two strategies had been so blurred by the use of heat pipes. I can no longer consider air cooling truly air cooling, nor water cooling truly water cooling. This being the case, the "air" category has the advantages of not requiring a pump, a totally closed system with no evaporation, and resilience to overheating if the one failure point possible actually fails. Which the user would generally be alerted to by the bios.

[@TheTito995]

I have a 3900XT cooled by an NH-D15, the highest it ever goes during rendering or gaming, is about 65 C, my room is not air conditioned and it stays about 25-27 C there

[@tsjeriAu]

I also got a NH-D15 (black version) for my 2700X and it's such a beast, even during Cinebench stressing it's barely hitting 80 degrees with an ambient temperature of 31 degrees Celcius (hottest week so far in Norway), 4GHz all-core. CPU drawing some 170-ish Watts. During more reasonable temperatures of some 20ish degrees it's mostly around 55-60 during gaming, with a fairly lax fan curve for less noise.

[@feldmuis]

Same but with 3950x, got mid/high 70's when running a cpu specific bench. Got an cooler right behind the block ramming the hot air out of the case too. The computer room is nice an toasty though.. T_T

[@1989johno]

@@feldmuis nh-d15 is such a great cooler

[@TheDeeGeeNL]

My 11700 with D15 get's 50C during gaming with the fan at 500 RPM.

[@randalllawkin]

ID-COOLING SE-207XT Black NH-D15 competition for only $50 on Amazon. Upgrade the fans for even more performance if you want to scale up.

[@complete-mayhem-x64]

I usually do air cooling for easier maintenance. I can't afford much downtime on my desktop

[@ChrisPollard]

I moved to an AIO this year after upgrading to a 5800X from a 3200G. The air cooler (Gammaxx GT) was great on a 4 core chip, but was heat soaked in minutes on the notoriously toasty 5800X. Just a simple 240mm AIO, but even at full loads for long periods I'm only seeing temps hit 80-ish vs. 99 and throttling. Do I have my concerns about the AIO leaking? Sure. But they're usually pretty good these days, so I'll take my chances.

[@PoRRasturvaT]

Funny how the first 20s didn't age well, hahaha. I was reluctant to get AIO but with the 13700K 250+W I jumped the wagon and got a silent loop 2. The refillable part is what sold me.

[@ffgrieverpl]

Exactly my thoughts :D . TDP of 90W seems like a distant past . Couldn't even keep my 13700k from reaching 100c and throttling on a decent air at around 280W. Now it can boost forever even on a minor, +200MHz OC (though ultimately I went for undervolt at stock speeds anyway, which results in around 200W, so air should be able to keep it cool enough).

[@3062-l7g]

Go to bios and turn off the AIB's auto overwattage settings. It boost 20-30% CPU tdp but gain ~3% performance only. Not worth the heat nor the electricity.

[@mandavaler]

Alphacools eisbaers quick disconnect tubes are what sold me i can make a full custom loop if i wanted with it but i just added a reservoir so i could so refilling and have an even larger heat sink capacity on a 360mm radiator

[@johnnypopstar]

@@ffgrieverpl When you say "a decent air", which one specifically? I'm considering a 13700k and was going to pair it with an NH-D15. Been using one on my 5820k and it's handled that fine enough.

[@ocm6382]

@@johnnypopstar I'm having difficulties cooling my 13900k with a NH-D15. Different cpu, but thought I'd share

[@kellygrant4964]

They both have worked well for me. But now that I have a new system that I actually get to see the components I go with water cooling. AIO lian li, with a lian li case. Use it in my median room/gaming room. The noise level is much much better and the looks are so much superior to air.

[@synergystar4049]

what are the specs of your pc and what temp is your cpu in the summer?

[@Spartan-sz7km]

Ayy I have the same thing, lian li mesh 2 black case with a lian li white AIO, ram is white, my gpu is also white

[@ardianmusliji8349]

"I built it for him, still mine" jay kills me

[@KrazyBean14]

I'm always gonna be an air cooling guy. Water in the system just always scares the shit out of me.

[@weetjewatikwil1]

Noice

[@official_commanderhale965]

@@eek8605 to each their own. I could care less on the sound mine makes since I have Studio quality headphones and don't hear any of it.

[@eek8605]

Ngl if your pretty sensitive no matter how quiet you put your asetek pump you can hear it, thats why i switched back to air cooling as fans can go quieter than a pump

[@eek8605]

@@official_commanderhale965 fair enough i mean when you chilling without headphones thats where it triggers me lmao

[@dr.brennstab2201]

@@eek8605 That's the exact same experience I have and I had a custom watercooling.

[@rayr4320]

That was the best tutorial on the merits of different cooling systems. Pumps are subject to load failure, especially if they employ bearings. I suppose the same thing can be said about a noctua fan, but they are easier to replace for the lay person.

[@sysbofh]

Not to mention that an air cooler with a dead fan still (kinda) works. Not great, but compare it with an AIO with a dead pump...

[@chucklou118]

water cooled can leak, not common, but air cooled never can leak.

[@jackchristenson1027]

I’m sucker for fans and a good ole heatsink what can I say

[@skeetlejuice522]

Why did you even bother saying it?

[@crisnmaryfam7344]

Me too, I just prefer mine to perform a bit better and have water moving through it lol.

[@Fate_GO]

*badumm tsss!*

[@infantryrecon101st]

Definitely still need water cooling for GPU's makes such a huge difference! Even just putting an AIO on a GPU makes a world of difference and is totally worth it.

[@Midknight0122]

@@mikeycrackson The stress on the socket would be crazy without built-in supports, would be interesting to see it done by a manufacturer though.

[@CommodoreFan64]

@@Midknight0122 We really need to see more PC case makers start making square cases where the motherboard is mounted horizontal, and with a basement for the PSU, so the motherboard can have the add on cards standing vertical like the old days, so there is less stress on the motherboard's card slots with how heavy some GPUs have gotten, and I really think that would solve a lot of issues

[@cafu6313]

I have NZXT G12(Noctua NF-A9pwm) + NZXT Kraken X52 mounted on my EVGA SCII 1080ti. 2000Mhz @1V, playing at 1440p highest temps are around 60-63c in summer days

[@infantryrecon101st]

@@mikeycrackson True would just be tricky to fit into a case.

[@infantryrecon101st]

@@cafu6313 Right on! I got the same setup going with my 2080TI. 23C idle and 40C while playing 1440p. GPU core overclocked plus 90 and memory plus 200. Running around 2100Mhz right now but have not tried to go higher yet.

[@jaredtalbot1591]

I can not thank Jay enough he really got me into PC building and I have now successfully custom watercooled my own system and I am now able to do it for others. I run a ryzen 7 3700X with a rx 6800XT, (I know, Bottleneck). My temps are around 120-130F for the CPU when playing games and around 100F on the GPU.

[@BurntBarbeque]

I had been always pro air cooling which is a low maintenance option. I bought Noctua hoping it would be sufficient but found it to be lacking in actual usage with constant high CPU load, for example, AAA gaming. Best air cooler, such as Noctua may match water for a short lived test but the cooling performance start to drop with constant load. As you mentioned, water has bigger capacity to absorb heat and even the best air cooler would not match it. The same goes for engines. The best air cooled engine would not be able to match water cooled engine. Still, I blew up my PC twice for not cleaning dust build up and I certainly won't be able to maintain water cooling.

[@SnowWolf9999]

There is a reason Porsche went water cooled, they finally hit the maximum performance they could push via air cooling w/o warping their engines.

[@MentallyIllOstrich]

​@@SnowWolf9999I thought they stopped air cooled engines because of emissions regulations

[@MMagid1000]

My girlfriend and I don't have heating in the house. In the winter, we use our gaming PC's to heat the room and it works really well. (2 AIO water-cooled desktop computers)

[@tsjeriAu]

I also use my computer as a space heater during winter time, unless it drops to like -10C, I can avoid using the actual space heater especially during the night. Uses less power than the space heater, too.

[@YOEL_44]

My room at summer becomes a multimedia sauna system, a first gen Cryorig H7 for cooling a Ryzen 3600, just about enough

[@HowardYing1]

Air cooler here, Noctua NH-D15 3950x, temps are typically around 54-60C on lighter loads and up to 80C on extreme loads. Ambient is usually around 24C but after heavy use gets up to 29C.

[@D-AVG]

that's wild, i have a noctua scythe mugen air cooler, and even while playing star citizen on very high graphics & very high on volumetric atmosphere, and medium settings on everything else, i neverr exceed 68C. Sounds like u have poor air flow if ur reaching 80C.

[@ProstoShelMimo]

@@D-AVG who said he reaches such temps in gaming? Some work tasks are way hotter for your CPU than gaming)))

[@igorfiuza144]

I'm on a Corsair's H80i for 6 years now and it's still running perfectly cool and quiet. I've never expected it to last this long.

[@NihilsticFeeling]

I had a captain deep cool 360 for 7 years. Only reason i dont now is the red led didnt go with my new rgb build, that the rad was too big for the case i put the old mobo in. It definitely had more air in it now then when new, but no problem running full speed almost 24/7. Most people with failed pumps are because they mounted them in positions where air was getting trapped in the motor, and the motors were burning themselves out. OR they weren't setting them so the pump was running at a consistent speed. All the ramping up and down causes a lot more wear and tear than just a constant steady speed.

[@pcnubi998]

What antidote do you use to prevent the poisonous of pc world..

[@LuddisKuddis]

I had an h80i that I bought 2013 .Broke this spring, pumped stopped working.

[@MonoMan1]

I used to have a h80i on my CPU, swapped it for a h100i. The h80i is now on my GTX 980, also I had it setup poorly for like 3 years. It's gotta be close to 7 years running time, still works fine. Bullet proof cooler, apparently.

[@ginoc44]

Running the same H80 for 11 years!

[@cbdemented]

I've gone from custom loop to an air cooler over the years (live in Florida...definitely not a cool environment). My last big water cooled rig was a custom Mountain Mods case, with dual loops, back when EK waterblocks were still new and custom ordered. It was a fun project, but in the end, so much of a pain to build and maintain (no leaks thankfully) that I went air cooled on my next build. However...AIOs weren't really a thing yet, and as you mentioned, the motherboards were more forgiving to large air coolers. I will almost certainly go AIO for my next build, if only so I can remove my RAM without having to take my cooler off first. I feel that the technology has definitely gotten good enough, hassle free enough, and close enough in price to the really good air coolers, that it's worth it to me.

[@Geek-jx3gw]

i am about to buy a cooler but i've read a lot about water cooling disadvantages and how it may effect the PC

[@mrtoasticles7144]

@@Geek-jx3gw like what? Im decided on air or water

[@Geek-jx3gw]

@@mrtoasticles7144 like water leak which is the worst, search yourself and read about it. I would go with air, Noctua D15 is so well and better than water cooling

[@ikswotianop]

how often are you removing your ram that it judges what cooler you use

[@Geek-jx3gw]

@@ikswotianop genius

[@mrcnorth7149]

Air cooling for all the pc's I have ever built. Simple and easy to maintain.

[@betraid]

What maintance do you have for water cooling?? None. 9 fucking years on service don't even changed thermal paste and my cpu is 60-65ºC under heavy load. there is nothing to compare whatever you use anything could fail vent or pump whatever, anyway u have to buy new one if it fails, and since they ain't expensive no one gives a fuck if it fails :D for less than 100$ u can buy both options. i stay with water cuz i spend almost all my time at pc, so i hate the noice from vents and try to minimize it.

[@RicochetForce]

@@betraid Air-cooling is the most reliable form of cooling for a computer. By its very nature it has few points of failure, and those points of failure are incredibly cheap and easy to resolve. For peace of mind, affordability, and reliability air-cooling has no equal.

[@lacucaracha111111]

"Power requirements of CPU sorta coming down over time" GPU: * nervously sweats in 300W *

[@joer8854]

"Smiles happily at 1000w psu" ;)

[@Fishingishard]

300? light weight. I'm at 360w /cries

[@lacucaracha111111]

@@Fishingishard Was just a healthy guess

[@S8ER]

I’ve seen my GPU at 480w 😭

[@THEpicND]

Power requirements of cpu sorta coming down over time Intel: laughs in 14nm +++++++++

[@Goodluckbuddy1408]

“The most you’ll experience is 80-85 degrees F” Washington State: *Laughs in heat wave*

[@MikMoen]

Not even that, these last couple years during "normal" Summer days it can get into the 90s.

[@brettpeckinpaugh]

I shut my PC down here in the Seattle area during that heat wave. And for the record, the humidity here in the PNW is not that high. Currently 40% at the moment which is pretty low. I even use evaporative coolers during the summer with great impact on the heat.

[@Goodluckbuddy1408]

@@brettpeckinpaugh I’m 30mins away from Seattle and during that heat wave I had to get a hotel lol. Our apartment complexes along with 70% of Washington don’t have ac.

[@ycar80]

@@MikMoen *Western Washington. In most of Eastern Washington hitting 100 during the summer is pretty normal.

[@cementhead75]

It was a pretty cruel joke that the heat wave hit the same week as the big steam sale. I think my pc was on for maybe an hour total that week.

[@chieftain9]

For my needs, I’ve been perfectly fine with air cooling. My current setup has more than enough room to utilize even the biggest air coolers. However, I am in the market to downsize. Unfortunately, there’s not many cases that fit full atx mobo/psu and keep it small. Lian li o11 mini air is the closest, but still big imo. So aside from making my own custom case (have the ability, not the time), I’ll probably have to downsize both mobo/psu to get what I’m looking for - including a move to water cooling. Was personally staying away from aio for their minimal lifespan, but if they have a fill port - that’s a game changer.

[@allanmcelroy9840]

I'm still trying to see if I can keep for original 14inch high, 7.5 wide and 16.25 long tower case from 2008

[@nofreenamestoreg]

Air gets the job done without hustle and the real big reason for going air is the brutal low maintenance. Do not see benefit of water for just 4-5 degrees lower temps. Event an overclocked CPU is running great on air :)

[@CrustedCheese]

It's not the coolness of my custom loop, its the quietness that I enjoy. Graphics cards OC'ed under 100% load tend to get loud :)

[@hashhacker2130]

agree, but on good aio's the difference is about 15 degrees. if it dosen't leak, then i'd easily have better longetivity

[@kingsleyabrokwah3930]

@Gareth Tucker I'm the same way. My temps are plenty solid, but I value silence over everything else. And my PC is QUIET

[@electrified0]

@@hashhacker2130 Depends entirely on your airflow situation. In my current mini ITX build, I started with a H100i v2 on intake, which at the time was supposed to be among the best. It started failing after 3 years, and I decided to try out air cooling, but had to go low profile due to my build size. However, since I was able to remove the water block radiator and have regular intake fans in its place, my GPU now ventilates much better and my CPU temps are around 2 degrees LOWER with a small form factor air cooler than they were with water cooling.

[@hashhacker2130]

@Disciple Games it also depends on your airflow which is usually cramped on mini-itx and other small form factor builds. sometimes even bad placement of components block airflow which isn't the case with aios. there are many factors, but a good aio can give you a good performance and quieter experience

[@Matt-re8bt]

My preference is watercooling. You can easily over-spec the radiator/fans so that the PC can be largely silent. You're also more in control of the airflow which makes dust control superior.

[@elblaise5618]

Is it weird that I like the sound of fans?

[@mikem9536]

You can do all that with Air cooling.

[@deuswulf6193]

@@elblaise5618 I prefer the ambient noise of fans as well. If its too quiet, something doesn't feel right.

[@glAx_0]

​​@@elblaise5618I call it the sound of performance lol

[@Slythey]

​@@mikem9536 no, the air cooler isn't as efficient as liquid, raises ambient temps, and its a dust collector. with a pull setup on your radiator you can blow any collected dust from the inside out and you don't get deadspots. there's no discussion to be had here- aircoolers are for cost cutting and do nothing objectively better than liquid.

[@ericio2213]

I only put an AIO because my air-cooler was blocking one of my ram slots.

[@StopaskingformynameYouTube]

I had the same conundrum when i was putting together my system, i ended up using LPX ram from corsair instead as i've had 3 water cooling loops fail on me, one EK radiator started leaking from the fin stack while i was gaming, killed the entire system. and two AiO coolers just had failed pumps after months of use. I will use aircoolers for the rest of my life just because it's safe and easy.

[@weetjewatikwil1]

Noice

[@martinw245]

ericio22 An NH-D15 S, the high compatibility version may have helped you. Its offset and only has one fan. The extra fan only makes a mere two degrees difference to cooling. Most people don't realise that the second fan on a big air cooler does very little and can be dispensed with for hardly any increase in temp. The velocity of the air passing through the heat sink is the same, its just a slight increase in static pressure with a second fan. Tall heat sinks on RAM are a gimmick too, they do very little. I use GSkill Ripjaws with my D15S.

[@diegoperez6687]

@@martinw245 NH-D15s with gskill trident z neo with no problems in clearance. My 5800x is nice and cold while also being super quiet.

[@StevenNassibian]

Same. Bought a Hyper 212 RGB Black edition but it blocks the 1st slot when using tall ram. Moving the fan to the other side (pull config) but temps were similar to the stock cooler. Now with standard push config, full load is 60C, Idle 42C (19C ambient). Just bought a 280mm AIO so I can use all my shiny new Corsair Vengeance Pro ram.

[@kevino2622]

I just took apart my EK custom loop and going back to air cooling with a Noctua D15... I have like zero time to be pulling the loop apart once a year now I'm a dad. So in the spare 30 minutes a month I get to play games, I just want something reliable that can sit there for years and not need my attention.

[@carbon_no6]

I may be wrong, but scaling up an air cooler tower you need more metal and more material means a heavier item; the strain that may be placed on the motherboard is going to go up as a result. I know they mount through to a bracket, but that’s still being supported by the motherboard itself.

[@AaronMais]

Water, custom loop. I didn’t see him mention the benefits of being able to cool your graphics card as well.

[@gl4989]

You can get better temps with a gpu air cooler like the accelero xtreme series

[@daniellindegren1182]

@@gl4989 we just watched a whole video of him explaining water is more efficient than air. How does this differ for a graphics card?

[@gardenturkey]

The only reason I started all my water-cooling is because I wanted to get a silent GPU

[@darwinwallace77]

@@gardenturkey Me too

[@corruptedpoison1]

He was talking about AIOs not custom loops.

[@Dseated]

The race to the bottom in the watercooling market makes the high engineered air coolers so enticing.

[@tonyhorn2954]

Additional advantage of water cooling: You can do a custom loop to cool your GPU as well as the CPU. I would think that's a plus with the power of GPUs always increasing.

[@FardinMirza]

Doesn't custom loop have higher chance of failure? Also my monkey brain is scared of taking water near my electronics lol

[@philipdykema240]

@@FardinMirza you can use mineral oil instead of water and it will cause zero damage as it contains zero conductivity in electronics. Some people even put their PC in a fish tank submerge it all in mineral oil, it’s super cool!

[@FardinMirza]

@@philipdykema240 that's next level cooling xD

[@El_Deus.]

@@philipdykema240 I almost had a heart attack just reading that... Also want to see that as well lol

[@John_James]

Custom loop is a whole another thing than AIOs and is too expensive for a regular customer and if you only use an i5 cpu each gen your air cooler could last a decade

[@RavTokomi]

We need more AIO cooled GPUs. Thats where the real wattage is.

[@stealin2192]

I would love to see Corsair or anyone make an aio for every 30/6000 series

[@TheKansasDude]

My 6 year old EVGA 980 Ti Hybrid, runs at about 245 watts through a 120mm AIO. It puts out some serious heat lol. GPU temps under load are about 50-55c. It has been a trooper

[@sebastianmorales2753]

My 6900xt asus lc is greatttt

[@TheKansasDude]

@@sebastianmorales2753 Does it crank out some god awful heat like mine does? lol The air coming out of my overclocked i7 8700k on a 360mm aio is hardly warm under full load.. Atleast compared to the air coming out of my GPU radiator.

[@sebastianmorales2753]

@@TheKansasDude I have two aios on my pc one of them is a 360 and the gpu is a 240 mm. And let me tell you dude, it's a mf heatbox

[@Campas25]

I like AIO's because i travel a lot with my tower and a air cooler ads torque to the cpu socket

[@arclyte1859]

I love water cooling. A well done run looks so good. However, doing maintenance or troubleshooting by swapping out components sucks. I love looking at my loop but dread anytime I need to upgrade.

[@patrickshelley09]

Same. Although, I do love planning an building a new loop, it's expensive and time consuming. Not to mention cleaning everything like the rads, blocks and fans is a pain in the ass. Wouldn't switch back to air though.

[@RicochetForce]

@@patrickshelley09 So this setup is devouring your time and enormous amounts of money that you could be saving, and instead of going with the most reliable and economical option you stick with the abuse?

[@patrickshelley09]

@@RicochetForce If by enormous amounts of time, you mean like two days to build and 1 day a year for maintenance, then sure. By your logic, nothing is worth doing and we should all just invest our money so we can have it to do nothing with later. I enjoy building computers. It's a creative release and something I'm proud of when I'm done. I don't enjoy it if something breaks or having to do maintenance. If I wanted to be practical about it, I'd buy a laptop and wouldn't game or anything else because gaming is a huge time sink if you really look at it. I also don't consider a few thousand every few years to be enormous amounts of money.....

[@RicochetForce]

@@patrickshelley09 Versus 0 for an air cooler. Or a few minutes to replace a fan. You can always earn more money. You can't earn more time. Unless your hobby is tinkering with your PC, I really can't recommend people use watercooling, especially the casual user (well over 90% of those who use PCs). Drop an air cooler in there, get great cooling, get excellent reliability. Done.

[@patrickshelley09]

@@RicochetForce I get it, you like air coolers. That's fine. What's not fine is you trying to inflate your ego by telling others that their choices are stupid and they should listen to you. No one gives a damn about your opinion. I've already explained to you that water cooling is a hobby and a creative release. Yet you continue to waste your own time and mine with this conversation. It's not a hobby for you, it is for those of us who like water cooling. If you like bland aftermarket bolt on stuff that anyone can do, that's fine. I love the absolute custom look of my loop and take pride in having built it. If this doesn't explain if for you, I don't know what else to say.

[@kleinbottled79]

One of the things I have very much enjoyed over the years is the movement within computing towards 'Solid State' - Disk drives kinda sucked. Hard drives kinda sucked. Cd-roms kinda sucked. Water cooling is fun, and perhaps more quiet depending, but it isn't nearly as reliable or trouble free. It's the opposite of solid state. Enough hassle to keep me in camp Air-Cooled for now. (Unless I buy a 12700k and want to overclock it.. then maybe AIO. 12thgen hot af.)

[@menotyou7762]

5 years running 5gz on an I7-7700k, gpu never above 36 deg regardless of how hard I play. once a year I drain clean and refill. there, same Lian Li pump, never an issue, no leaks ever

[@RicochetForce]

@@menotyou7762 Meanwhile the guy who picked the air cooler has likely never done anything more than dust his PC in that time.

[@thedarkflameknight7942]

Running an Artic Liquid Freezer II cooling an overclocked 5600X. Love it. The design and performance are excellent.

[@shoabdul7754]

Ive got the 360 Freezer II for my 5800x - didnt realise how big it'd be compared to the other 360 aios ive used

[@dmannthey]

Even with an AIO it's just so much more aesthetically pleasing to look at a water cooled system.

[@sunohonmy4024]

not all the time, some times i wud rather have a pure black air cooler

[@emmata98]

depends

[@martinw245]

Purely subjective. I prefer the look of my D15S with Chromax black fans and black heat sink covers.

[@dmannthey]

It is purely subjective, and it's not everyone's preference. Just mine.

[@natalie2070]

14:30 lol yeah like the Cooler Master V8 GTS. A beautiful cooler that is almost impossible to properly mount on a board with VRM heatsinks.

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Is that the one that looks like a V8 engine? xD CHONKERS

[@BaldCamperGaming]

I switched from a Dark Rock Pro to a ID-Cooling 360 auraflow. It dropped my load temps about 5 to 10 degrees, and with overclocked fans never really goes above about 70 while rendering video or above 62 while gaming. I'm kinda sold on the AIO after the switch. FOr the same reasons, it looks great, noise is low, and it keeps it cooler (if you get a larger one). Thank You for the review of the ID-Cooling pink AIO. It was helpful. CPU: i7 6900K overclocked

[@geodj3161]

I had an AIO on my first build. I loved the aesthetics, especially since I had lighting in my PC, I liked having more unobstructed visual space. But for a 6600k, honestly an air cooler would have done just as good a job in the performance side of things. Just finished a new build with a 5900x and a 3080 on custom hardline loop with two 360mm rads. The biggest difference this has made, besides wildly low GPU temps, is just how quiet the system stays under load. Honestly ive gotten so used to fan ramping noises that the silence was a bit unnerving at first lol

[@andreasstrauss5194]

I had a 6600k on a air System and it rarely went over 60 degrees. Now i have a 3900x on a 420mm rad and it stays also around 55-60 degrees while its also super silent the next thing is now to watercool the gpu as well on the same 420mm rad

[@silverwatchdog]

I have that exact system on 360mm AIO and a 3 fan gpu on air and man even that combination can barely tame the beast. Can imagine my RTX 3080 heating up a ND-15 cooler before my CPU even has a chance to🤣. This is one of the use cases where air cooling a CPU absolutely would suck in.

[@lucascain8180]

but consider this: there's a lot more RGB on an AIO or custom loop

[@Cosmstack]

I mean, aside from a potential display on the waterblock, with aircooling you can still get just as much. Just put RGB fans on the cooler and in your case

[@kjorndogg3244]

I'm just waiting for the day where RGB heat pipes are a thing. Lets be honest it's just inevitable.

[@kaziwill]

RGB is trash...

[@lucascain8180]

@@Cosmstack but u cant have rgb pump res block and fittings on a heatsink

[@play_mo_games]

More rgb = better performance

[@tarkhan15]

using an AIO because SSUPD meshlicious... Far as custom loops go, I always figured spending that much money on a cooling solution is more because its fun than because its effective.

[@astinmartin586]

ive been looking at mesh cases, what are your thoughts? does it alow for better (lower) temps compared to a more enclosed design? Also what AIO?

[@sraztec01]

still Air cooling with Hyper 212 Evo just upgraded the fan from 120mm to 140mm and saw a temp drop and Once a year maintenance of blowing out the dust. ; )

[@chestbuster1987]

I love the way water cooling looks but it does still seem like a hassle and not practical enough. Could you do an in-depth video about CPU/GPU thermal throttling?

[@musicalsteve]

Funny you ask that becauyse I watched this vid yesterday and it really cleared up a lot for me about thermal throttling kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYPJnoGjo7CMrNU Hope it helps :)

[@deadchannelfrom2018]

You don’t overclock, do you? Lmao

[@norajiyu]

Same, I CBA to change out and clean the system Also I move like every 3 months for work and transporting a water-cooled system would just stress me out wayyyyy more

[@sabrevanson4412]

@@deadchannelfrom2018 with current limit on availability...why would you risk your parts for a marginal increase lol.

[@bingbongwingwong]

@@deadchannelfrom2018 you dont need water cooling to overclock...

[@chrislemery8178]

I ran an nhd-14 for years. It was fantastic. But for my latest build I went with an all in one just because they are easier to install. Leaves the inside mostly open for airflow as well.

[@Danjon1235]

Same, want to keep the insides of the pc "open", just looks cleaner

[@philosaplease4867]

Noctua D15 gang rise up. ryzen 5600x, even in hot weather I never see it go above ~65c on a synthetic stress test. Much lower for actual gaming mid 40s to mid 50s. I think water cooling is great to do as a hobby and might try it some day but for me, I prefer air for the set-it-and-forget-it benefits.

[@ProjektLament]

I have the old intel AIO for a build I did in 2016. Still running strong.

[@Meta194]

R5 3600, big old Scythe fuma 2. idle is 45-ish C, which i've set with the fan curve (fans are barely going). never had it throttle unless i try a crazy OC, low maintenance and safe imo

[@agan-gi8br]

R5 3600 with cheap ass CM Hyper 212 ($25), idles at 33-37 C, am I lucky or something haha

[@Meta194]

@@agan-gi8br you probably have some nice airflow. i just set the fans to almost nothing to keep noise down. tried and this chip does 4.35 Ghz at 1.13V undervolt easily :)

[@Justin_80]

Of course I didn't 'need' a 360mm AIO, but it looks cool and that's all that matters.

[@WyFoster]

If you have an 11900k you do! 🔥

[@spursylad1994]

Finally someone that gets me

[@dosansss]

@@WyFoster heck even my 10700k reach 72 on load @5.1 all core... im using 240+360 rad.. this 10 and 11th gen are seriously toasty boy when oc..my room ambient temp is quite high tho, usually around 25c.

[@WyFoster]

@@dosansss hitting high 60s low 70s with the H150i with my 11900k at 5.0. 1.37v 230watt power draw. No wonder it's toasty.

[@LuminousWoe]

AIO here. I was using a noctua, but spacing was so tight I swapped to an AIO. I don't clean out my PC of dust as often as I should, and I've noticed a small drop in CPU temp and increase in room temp with the AIO. I won't be transitioning to a full watercooled build because the idea of moving a case full of watercooled parts up and down stairs or across states is nerve wracking.

[@TheCrazierz]

Cant you remove the water?

[@Mildly_Amused]

Its safe to move most soft tubing watercooled builds. Hard tubing builds are the issue with frequent movement of the system.

[@LuminousWoe]

@@TheCrazierz yeah you could. My dumb ass wasn't thinking of that at 1am though.

[@batuksri]

Most people get AIO because new graphic cards are huge and run hot. A large tower heatsink+fans with a gpu close will just spew hot air at each other. An AIO has a small footprint, leaving more room for air circulation while heat is carried through the hoses.

[@gorkskoal9315]

this. I want to upgrade my computer. I haven't needed to even think about a CPU cooler untill now. and it's appalling how tight a fit the motherboard is do anything with. I have a some idea how bat it'd be to squeeze in a fan. Especially when so many reviews say something like it was awful to install and doesn't work all that well.

[@LuddisKuddis]

Got a 5600x with a Noctua UH-12S and I've gotten bluescreens from higher temps/loads. Added another fan and while it idles at 40 and games at 75 it still works fine. Small case, O11 mini.

[@Titto86]

I just bought a 5600x with a Noctua NH-D15s (two towers and 1 x 140 mm fan). I hope it is enought. I might get a second fan If I see high temperatures and I hope there is space for everything.

[@mm8436]

I've used both. They are both good.

[@demigo1031]

Air cooling for consistency and reliability. AIO for aesthetically. Custom water loop for.. big D energy.

[@TheDeeGeeNL]

My Noctua NH-D15 Chromax with White Covers want's to have a talk.

[@TravisFabel]

@@TheDeeGeeNL they can talk with the 11 140mm noctura fans that cool my loop silently.

[@demigo1031]

Don’t get me wrong guys. The Noctua NH-D15 Chromax/Noctua fans hands down one of the best air cooler/fans for consistency, reliability and aesthetically.

[@TheForce_Productions]

I don't bother with either water or air cooling, just have my system placed inside an old refrigerator in my garage, that way I can also reach my beer faster and easily. 😎

[@cybermonkey81]

Reading the comments about others having AIOs fail on them, I must be super lucky, mine has ran for 5-6 years, daily driven on a 6600K @ 4.4 GHz, temps were never an issue. I wonder how is it still running. Probably humidity worked to my benefit, place is humid, so probably less permeation losses?

[@TTks124]

Good placement. If there's no air with the moving liquid, you can have half the radiator without liquid and it will still work like a charm.

[@SimonBall245]

Same here, I have a corsair AIO from 2011 maybe 2012. It started in my main rig and then that rig turned into a server. It ran non stop in that server until about 2018 and then went into a storage box. Recently another rigs corsair AIO cooler pump died, that cooler was also about the same age and has been running in a gaming rig so not as full time as a server but still, daily driven. Old faithful came out of the parts box and is going again like a champ. So far, all the AIO coolers I have, have exceeded expectations for life.

[@Aurrian]

I've always gone air cooling. Firstly because any water in my system scares the crap out of me, secondly because I actually think a chunky air cooler looks good, provided you've got a big enough case.

[@geht-dichnix-an4183]

Build my first full Custom Loop this year thanks to your videos with my 9900k and some slight overclocks. Keeps it cool and quite. And I can finally close my case thanks to this since the last cooler prevented me from closing it (O11 Dynamic XL). The fans on that noctua-monster prevented me from closing it.

[@d.o.9808]

One of the pros of AIOs: you have the zone of the MB more clean to work, you can use RAM with higher and better heatsinks, great video bro

[@kkhalifah1019]

After 2 dead & leaking AIOs, the novelty of watercooling has worn off for me. Especially now that I'm running a 65W Zen3 5600X, I absolutely struggle to find an excuse to even bother with the added complexity of an AIO...

[@12Burton24]

thats the moment i started custom water cooling 😉

[@GlennsHardWired]

Your just an average computer user. Your either buying cheap AIO coolers or your choice of brands sucks. I run a 5600x at 4.8 ghz all core on my wifes 3d modeling rig... Your not going to do that on air and get good temps. Enthusiast builders will always choose the more efficient hardware. Although air coolers work great if your using 1 core boost clocks on amd and lower core counts. Try pushing a 12 or 16 all core overclock on the best of air coolers....youll quickly see they just dont cut it on higher end builds.

[@mrn234]

@@GlennsHardWired Just bad luck i guess. Ive seen in my building "career" errors with every big brand so far over the last 7 years.

[@OutOfNameIdeas2]

This is why I only watercool my GPU. Be quiet coolers run quieter than most pumps

[@12Burton24]

@@OutOfNameIdeas2 Watercooling the GPU and not the CPU makes no sense at all? Is your GPU a AIO cooled?

[@JPWestmas]

I will always choose fewer moving parts when it comes to machines.

[@RaincoatOmnipotence]

Electric cars for the win?

[@mathewsjoy8464]

No logic in that at all

[@RaincoatOmnipotence]

@@mathewsjoy8464 may I ask what you mean?

[@mathewsjoy8464]

@@RaincoatOmnipotence because what if the aio breaks and leaks that’s basically going to break your entire pc where as if I a fan breaks nothing will really happen

[@RaincoatOmnipotence]

@@mathewsjoy8464 oh yes that’s true!

[@JosephArata]

Uhhhh, possibly neither if the Ice Giant brand explodes in popularity and they engineer solutions for some of the current problems with horizontal socket configs. Thermosiphon technology is in a point of time where the engineering, materials, and tooling; make it able to be scaled down from what it once was in the industrial applications it was used in. Traditional air coolers are legacy thermal technology at this point, the only way to make them more efficient, is to stick more heat pipes and larger fins on the thermal block. Of that, which isn't reasonable with space constraints anymore. Water cooling, in the enthusiast side of things, will still always be around, but your average consumer wants quick and easy to install and something they won't have to screw around with for 5+ years. They upgrade their hardware or move the cooling unit when it's time to change something and they want it to last from system to system so something warrantied for 10 years, that's a selling point. What AIO is warrantied for 10 years? None, that's right. Another problem with your average consumer AIO, is the technology is being manhandled by a monopoly from Asetek patent, nothing is going to improve as long as they hold that patent. The AIO market is littered with literal e-waste at this point with units that make you pay exorbitant prices for RGB LEDs you may not even want in your system, and the unit will need to be serviced or thrown out in 5-6 years. Retailers, for the most part, will only stock the higher priced RGB infused garbage, just because it's more profitable to them to force you to buy it.

[@dannydrew3685]

So I got an Ice Giant and they had to send me a second one, as the first, well, didn’t work right. Going to put it on tonight, here is hoping it works!

[@zahylon5993]

does the ProSiphon has any problem when mounted vertically? I'm looking into making a new build towards december or Q1 2022. And the termosiphon catched my attention.

[@JosephArata]

@@zahylon5993 I'd contact them through their support page, they seem like they are on the ball on creating a good user experience with their product.

[@JosephArata]

@@dannydrew3685 New designs usually have a few outliers in terms of manufacturing defects, its how the company deals with the issues as they improve it, shows you if they mean real business. I'm personally holding off on building something new for the immediate future, so I'm keeping an eye on them to see how they deal with marketing a new thermal management device like this one.

[@donkeydefense]

I feel the innovation we need in cooling is in case design. Recently the push has been flashy over utility and so many cases look good but don’t cool well. We need new design in overall airflow in how air is pushed in and out of the case and across the components.

[@warp00009]

After loosing my system (CPU and motherboard) from a leaking liquid cooler, and discovering that a good air cooler (Noctua NH-D15 with upgraded Thermal Grizzly paste) actually cooled my system significantly better - I'll never touch a liquid cooling system again! Even with its fans running close to maximum my current air cooler is much quieter than the noisy pump of my old liquid cooler. Not worrying about leaks, priceless!

[@K15997-Heli]

Water cooling AIO, just looks great and no bulky air cooler. Eventually want to do a custom hard line loop, but that’s also because that’s half the fun of building a PC is customizing it and tinkering. It’s like a hobby within a hobby. Great video and keep it up man!

[@tojogamer1733]

I see, we're talking about a hobby loop :)

[@pepcorampouch4787]

am using both to be honest but I love air cooling the best due to simplicity and reliability

[@vLarsn]

I used a Corsair H100i aio for about 6-7 years. First on a amd FX-8350 then on a r5 3600. Pump started making weird noises about a year ago, so I switched to a Noctua NH-U14S air cooler. Currently I'm using the same cooler on a r9 5900x. Idle 35c, full load 70-75c. I'm really happy with the cooler, but I do prefer the look of an aio cooler.