Air65 or Mobula 6 2024 // Best or Better Whoop

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[@RhamKot]

Just wanted to say that I've been having the weird issue with the purple halos on the C03 camera in my Meteor65 Pro, and taping the back with electrical tape as you showed has solved the issue, so thanks to you and everyone else that investigated it!

[@Daltino_1]

I think the Air75 should be compared to the Moblite7 because they are both the "light lineups", and the Meteor75 would be compared to the Mobula7 as the standard product line.

[@InfinityLoops]

Couldn't agree more. I never hesitate to callout a poop job from BetaFPV, but this Air65 line has been a real joy to fly and incredibly durable! Thanks for your input on this one, Nick.

[@taatoken]

Thank you for answering the question I dreamed about last night LOL

[@brundle_fly5123]

Thank you for answering the burning questions, I am curious on the 75 personally

[@cod4scoper]

You can see its a reflection of the pcb in the screen shot at 1:45

[@amin0_acid310]

Being a Happymodel fan, I want one. Gave a Meteo 65 acro to my Nephew, I liked how that performed, loved my Mob6’s, really enjoying the 2024, 23,000 kv sounds like my speeds. Thanks for the info, never been a big fan of their cameras myself.

[@rodsawhite]

Good thoughts as always Nick. I do like the 180 battery connector to be sure as it helps me leave the soldering iron alone for once :)

[@notice_fpv]

If we are talking about the "out of the box" experience, I think I agree. The air 65 is going to be better for most people because it's pretty good the way it is. They won't have to do a thing. The mobula6 however, in the hands of a person who likes to tweak and customize, becomes a much better whoop with a couple simple changes. I do like that Betafpv spent time tuning, and the Air65 is pretty dialed, but the mob6 also tunes up very well... Good problems to have I guess. It's a good time to be a whoop pilot!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

What changes did you make on the mobula 6 if you don't mind sharing?

[@notice_fpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV not at all! I pretty much followed the Ciotti FPV formula for the Ultimate 65mm Tinywhoop: 28000kv motors, Gemfan 1219 props. Swapped the battery connector to bt2.0, and when the stock frame wears out, load it into a Cockroach V3 frame. It's an indoor, freestyle ripper! This is the original Mob6, not the 2024. I buy one whenever I see it in stock anywhere! The aio board is so solid (buy that when I see them, too).

[@maxl6058]

@@notice_fpv Hello, can you share your BF tune?

[@notice_fpv]

@@maxl6058 not very easily... I've tried posting a link to a simple walkthrough done on KZbin by Quad66, but it gets removed. Look for his channel and find the video titled "Super Simple Betaflight 4.5 Whoop Tuning Tutorial"

[@RodGSilva]

Very excited about this Air line, specially the FC. I have parts coming to build a custom one with Happymodel motors and Caddx Ant camera so at least in theory should be a great whoop.

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks for all the info, Nick! Really valuable!!! 😊 Looking forward to the Air75! It should be fun!!! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@NickBurnsFPV]

indeed. I am looking forward to taking it for a spin, especially inside :)

[@luisLP5752]

Love the thumbnail. Sometimes I sit, and I admire my mini crawlers the same way

[@ItsMeKevinFPV]

I got my Air 65 yesterday! Man I love that thing, lol. I got it to learn to fly inside. Thanks for the motivation, Nick! awesome stuff.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Thank you

[@justreddog]

always love the honesty nick, that in my book keeps you great and worth the watch every time.my hat off to you sir!

[@jujudiazsrcthings586]

4th also i just bought the mob 6 elrs the old one because it has proven its durability but everyone has their own needs.

[@YouFPVtube]

Both are made for this purpose. To sell more spare parts. Even with a decent canopy, nothing breaks except the antenna, but with the air canopy everything breaks in a serious crash. I would only use something like this in racing where it really comes down to Ms. ✌️

[@Nunyali5lx]

I got the air 65 last week. My first tiny whoop. Didn't realize how much fun they are. Managed to crack the frame on a mild hit. Had to order a couple replacement frames. But that thing is crazy fast and fun.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

When the frame broke was that an inside crash or outside? If you don't mind me asking.

[@Nunyali5lx]

@@NickBurnsFPV It was outside. Hit one of my chairs in my yard

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@Nunyali5lx gotcha. Thank youi

[@atzod]

black tape solves that pinkish issue, confirmed from betafpv :))

[@TheJosetaborda]

Hi big Nick. For the next video you should compare Moblite7 with air 75 because it's an attempt to go as light as possible in a 75 by happymodel

[@Daltino_1]

lol we had the same thought

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I will have to look into that. I believe I still have the moblite7

[@jbaked2585]

The mobula6 frame couldn’t take the abuse this new pilot was putting it through. However, the meteora pro 2022 makes for a good swap. Once my air65 frames are toast, I’m definitely going to check it out on the older frame which lies directly in the sweet spot of durability and lightweight.

[@trajanfpv]

Thanks for the comparison, my concern is that I have never has a BetaFPV FC last very long. After 5 bad ones in two years, I swore off them. Lost the last two during Igow. Happy model FCs have held up much better for me. I have had two DOA, but they were replaced by the seller and they have lasted longer than even the best BetaFPV board. Have you seen any positive changes from them?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yes, Its it a odd thing, some have no luck with one brand and do with another. Like a brand is personally cursed for us or something. I did in the comment hear of widespread mob6 2024 V1 AIO issues and HM revised the AIO to a v2. My two V1s are still running strong.

[@MountaineerFPV]

Im waiting patiently for walksnail to get in on the ‘24 whoop game 👍👍

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't know anything , but it does seem like a gap a company would want to fill.

[@kaskalo2]

I made a custom 65 with old betafpv aio F4. I used happymodel motors and co3 cam. It flies amazing! Far better then mobula6 that i got afterwards (even while being over 1 gram heavier) And i say that as a happymodel fan boy. So now I can wait to get this one. Although I will be tempted to swap the motors 😊 And yeah i have that same glare problem with that cam. It's not so often but it's really weird.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I tested the weird camera issue tonight. I didn't find my electrical tape on the back of the camera fixed it. Next step is to coat the camera pcb with liquid electrical tape.

[@kurtzFPV]

I kinda wish I had one of each, but I bought 2 Mobula 6s before the air65 came out. Just bought a 3D printer and had to replace some parts on my 5" quads, so my hobby budget is limited for the immediate future. One thing I will say about the mobula 6- I have two and fly them both equally, but I prefer the flight characteristics and flight time of one over the other. One has a bmi gyro and one has a icm gyro. To me, the icm flies better and it gets 30-45 seconds more flight time. Thanks for the comparison Nick!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I can't remember the specifics, I believe one of gyros need different filtering and I suspect happymodel didn't customize the flashing of the FC for each gyro. This could be the differences your seeing.

[@kurtzFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV The bmi is 3.2/1.6khz and the icm is 8/2khz. I updated to BF 4.5 and put the karate tune preset on both. The one that I like the least still flies plenty good, just not quite as good as the other. Flight time difference is what gets me. Probably the tune is optimized more for one over the other, but that is a huge difference for a 300mah battery.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@kurtzFPV ah I see your on it. Did Project Mocking Bird (Patrick J Clark) ever come out with a tune for the Mob6 2024? I thought I had seen he had one and had gotten back into flying.

[@kurtzFPV]

@@NickBurnsFPV I'm not sure Nick. I've always been a Betaflight guy, other than a few dips into INAV. I may have to try it one day if he has.

[@AnonYmous-ii4tc]

Rock on! Looking fwd to the 75!

[@whoopsquad]

Give that Air65 a spritz of the Flywoo X30 spray and no worries about flying around your pool😂😂😂😂

[@pacificnorthwestpilots6050]

I hope the whoop with the HDZERO AIO releases soon. I think it will be THE definitive whoop to purchase.

[@carlosr.2027]

You mean the 65mm eco hdzero with external elrs , a hdzero Aio with built in elrs eco 65 will bring grams down

[@sepi4]

Regarding Air75, I think its frame is too weak. I have tried it with my old meteor75 and new frame broke in multiple place in a couple days. Old frame seems to be more durable.

[@Trigenetic]

i wish they didnt make the mob 6 2024 all grey/black. finding this damn thing in the gravel is far to hard.... Anywhere really. Make it bright and visible!

[@steriospeaker]

Which version did you review? Race or freestyle? Any preference on either? Thanks for the review! ⭐️👌🏻

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Both, the review is linked in the video description.

[@GhostgamerGT]

when does the Air75 Review come? I'm not sure if I like the 65 or 75 Version more.

[@xeromool]

I ordered the Air65 freestyle 3 days ago, with some Lava's. Can't wait.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

good mix, I expect much fun coming your way

[@xeromool]

@@NickBurnsFPV My Air65 arrived this morning. I set it up with Chris Rosser's ESC settings and this little thing is amazing. Thanks, Nick!

[@Leon._.292]

Is it also possible to install a tbs crossfire nano rx on that quad instead of the elrs receiver that it comes with?

[@BadAtDrones]

The air75 uses the same AIO as the air65. I wonder if they;ll do a V2 when the 5-1 AIO comes out next month

[@dondupuis4007]

When you say 75 has full size flight controller, are you saying the 65 is spi and 75 is not? Enjoying the video and interested in your light test on the air 65.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The 65 has a stand along receiver, its not spi. the 75 pictures indicate the same AIO as the 65 but we don't know that as the also have a full sized flight controller listed under the "air" brand.

[@lievenvv]

Ive had transparent PCB's in old whoop cams.. nothing that a tiny piece of tape cant fix 😎

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I tried tape on the back today. Didn't fix it on the cameras I have. I will next try liquid electrical tape.

[@CCC0122]

That camera problem is exactly what I was asking you about with my meteor75. Kind of ruins some of videos, but great video as usual! Thanks for all your time!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Try the tape on the back and see if that resolves it. I am hopeful to get out on a few sunny days this week and see if it resolves.

[@CCC0122]

@NickBurnsFPV thank you sir. You you do a tremendous job on your channel. Enjoy your summer!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@CCC0122 Thank you so much. Appreciate it!

[@CCC0122]

@@NickBurnsFPV 1 more quick question please, I've tried numerous times to update walksnail firmware on my Scout HD's and cant figure it out....!? My neighbor is a computer guy and he tried several times as well. Any suggestions and by any chance do you know the file type of th3 grnd avatar? He was asking. Thanks again

[@lievenvv]

​​​@CCC0122 might be the size of the card or how it's formatted? Edit: or are you trying to downgrade?

[@brandon9689]

It seems they didn't send out any of the 75's for review, mine is still in transit and I bought it in the first 2 days of release. Once they start to arrive, I'm sure we'll see some more information start to surface specific to the Air 75.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

yea, I didn't even know the air75 was launching the same day. Betafpv must have decided to focus on the air65 for any number of unknown reasons.

[@dalao9351]

i dont regret after 4 dead mob2024, durability is a big issue. my biggest regret is testing both V1 and V2 board 2 times

[@RepomanFPV]

Do you think the Air65 price point is in response to the NBD hummingbird V3? The specs are very similar between the two it seems. I love my Hummingbird but you sold me on the Air65.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

That one does beat others on price. There is the performance an compatibility side of the NBD products. The NBD whoops generally come in over 20grams with ph2.0 connector, these two will really perform less well vs lighter whoops with BT20 or A30 battery connectors. On the compatibility side NBD motor connectors are specific to NBD, the camera plug as well. Conversely the air65 motors are soldered so that might be a barrier for some as well.

[@jbaked2585]

I have both, but I have yet to get the mobula bound to my controller. I do like the handling on the beta fpv compared to the acrobee65.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

try turning model match off or on....the opposite of what it currently is. I have seen that a few times from happymodel AIOs.

[@juszczu17]

Hey would you like to share what’s the best parts to build tiny whoop by myself?

[@yohanzo]

Quick question, will either of these make me update to ELRS 3? I have version 2 for other quads, would prefer not to go to 3. Thank you!

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I would expect all quads currently manufacturer to come with version 3 of elrs. They could be down graded to v2 if the target is available. I can't confirm at this time if that is true....at work :)

[@LedesmaFPV]

Thanks for the review, i already have the aquila16 so im going to buy the air65 or the air75 😂

[@howhighdrones777]

Outstanding as always Nick 💯

[@MrLootshoot]

Shame about the camera😳The last time I saw those artifacts in a cam was 7 years back🙄on the QX95 brushed ripper of the day💥

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh man yes. I remember the QX95. To my surprise i don't find I ever made a video about it. But do have one on the QX90.

[@MrLootshoot]

@@NickBurnsFPV I've still got both quads in a box somewhere, those were fun times in the early days. I sincerely hope they swap out this dodgy sku. Keep up the graet content fella🤝

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@MrLootshoot I still have a brushed open prop I built back in those days. The frame was from picnik quads.

[@puc19]

Great thumbnail

[@thirty3fpv]

I just bought the Air65 Pro and the Mob6 2022!! 😂😂😂😂

[@Flyingsword180]

Would not get air 65 for flying with others the vtx interferes with others signal

[@im_ricebowl]

good day mr. burns :D

[@Nspecthergadget2010]

Great show and tell

[@KcCake]

I ordered the mob 6 a couple months ago so of course there is another release of a “better” whoop 😂. Im not a big whoop flyer and I just fly for fun so i honestly dont care too much. Throughout my flying though, the mobula has gotten worse and worse and now flies quite bad. I remember flying and i watched some dvr of my earlier flights and it was LOCKED in. Not anymore. Too much oscillation and vibration

[@NickBurnsFPV]

odd, I wonder if its bent up props or even some bent motor shafts?

[@KcCake]

@@NickBurnsFPV ill definitely try new props again but its possible that my camera mount has worn out. I use the mcstinky (i think?) 3d print so maybe its that

[@KcCake]

The original camera mount tilted the camera too much to the point of where i could feel it and it was throwing off my flying

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@KcCake camera movement can simulate flight flaws, something to check out for sure.

[@johnkurpiewski3996]

I want to know about the 75 really don’t fly the 65’s

[@dougzieske4250]

Can you take a flashlight to see if to test the camera?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Not sure, I haven't tried that yet.

[@buttersfpv]

I've personally never liked the mobula, their fc's have been too weak for me. I've had 2 fail on me, and a betafpv board fail on me far too early. FPVCycle's AIO is the best I've ever experienced and they aren't being made anymore. If you can get your hands on one of those they are freakin unicorns and worth double their price IMHO.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

by change are those the diamon AIO that have failed? Or a different AIO all together?

[@buttersfpv]

@@NickBurnsFPV the mobula 6 from years back when i think it was first introduced. frequent issues with them and lost brand trust from me.

[@Demka03]

So it's even cheaper than meteor 65 pro. How does it compare though?

[@KOrnhOliO1]

It's lighter. It comes with a great tune. It's cheaper. It's the newest tech from BetaFPV.

[@pginaeemidris2069]

ias the mobula series compatible with eachine ev100 fpv and radio master pocket ELRS cc2500 sorry im new to fpv and i wanna prac5ive with a tiny whoop before i wreck my avata2 🤣

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The goggles yes, the radio no. They are only available in ELRS which the cc2500 does not support.

[@pginaeemidris2069]

@@NickBurnsFPV this isnexactly why im put off going into fpv i have no idea what goes with what 🥲

[@GR8SCOTT]

I tried to click on the link you gave for Aliexpress and my computer blocked it. Might want to check that.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

Links are good. It could be a security program on the computer or specifically for the browser that doesn't like tinyurl or aliexpress. Things like adblocker will not like links that redirect from one site to another, like tinyurl or bitly to any other site.

[@GR8SCOTT]

@@NickBurnsFPV it let me use the BetaFPV but not Ali. That was strange. Glad it's working for some.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@GR8SCOTT Can you visit aliexpress.com ?

[@GR8SCOTT]

@@NickBurnsFPV yes. I just double checked and I still can.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@GR8SCOTT Hmm... well I am a bit stumped. What about this direct the aliexpress product page...does that work for you? www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807177961366.html?aff_fcid=01959491aadf4becab48aa42fd3af2ce-1721584376720-03276-_DnFtJZ5&tt=CPS_NORMAL&aff_fsk=_DnFtJZ5&aff_platform=portals-tool&sk=_DnFtJZ5&aff_trace_key=01959491aadf4becab48aa42fd3af2ce-1721584376720-03276-_DnFtJZ5&terminal_id=b37b587342c14a299a960f98ef0c2c0d&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

[@SeanPoulter]

Is BetaFPV quality any different this year? BetaFPV lost my trust. A gimbal died on my LiteRadio 3 Pro in less than 15 hours and caused a crash, and 1/6 batteries was dead in storage without flying. I noticed both outside the 30 day warranty period and was given a few dollars off a replacement gimbal and battery. I've heard of gimbals failing on 3 other LiteRadios and causing other crashes. Their QC is arguably terrible and they don't stand behind their products. 🤬

[@NickBurnsFPV]

The literadio3 and really the literadio lineup I have heard much about the wires coming off the gimbals in short order. I do think many in the hobby tend to develop an opinion about one brand or another. In the case of the air65 it will certainly take time as more and more get in peoples hands. So far my experience with the 4 I have, are champs so far.

[@SeanPoulter]

Thanks for sharing your experience Nick! I'm new enough I'm grateful for all the wisdom.

[@BmorefigureFPV]

You can beat the hell out of happy model

[@mohycana]

I'm from Germany and I will never buy a Happymodel again... Customs and shipping costs are 50% on top of the price. I have no problems at all with Beta FPV. Beta FPV has better quality, better packaging, better small parts. The only problem is that you can't use Betaflight. Otherwise, the entire process with BetaFPV is better.

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I'm sorry, "can't use Betaflight" with a betafpv quad?

[@crazygmanssimstuff]

For me, I hate the color choice for the Betaflight whoops.

[@newbiefpv]

65 air for analog, 75 air for WS

[@Acidsnake12000]

What battery do i get for the mobula 6 2024 65mm?

[@NickBurnsFPV]

same batteries we use on all 65mm whoops. tinywhoop, webleedfpv or betafpv lava 300mah

[@Acidsnake12000]

@@NickBurnsFPV thanks😁

[@AymericPachod]

That being said, the mobula6 2024 has loads of QC issues, it's been a nightmare with how many people had their vtx fail or their whoop just fall out of the air mid flight I can't really recommend the mob6 2024

[@NickBurnsFPV]

oh dang. I haven't been hearing that. Where are people posting their issues?

[@AymericPachod]

@@NickBurnsFPV Well, I am on a few fpv discord servers and when the mob6 2024 came out lots (emphasize on the lots) of people had issues with the vtx dying, or the solder joints breaking, or the ELRS/esc firmware being broken, or just having the quad crash mid flight, it became so bad that some servers like drone community made an announcement about it so people stop recommending it, so now we mainly recommend the meteor65 pro instead (until the ai65 has been mass tested since it's still fairly new)

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@AymericPachod ah, unfortunately I struggle to keep up with all the different discords and information sources. In many regards I rely on comments on videos and messages directly to me. good information. I appreciate you letting me know.

[@AymericPachod]

@@NickBurnsFPV ok, well, also I was having a discussion about whoops with another person, and plot twist they actually made a v2 board, with motor plugs, that doesn't have all the issues and that's what's coming stock with the mob6 2024 since a little while, which would explain why we had less people with issues with their mob6 2024, - but most people also stopped recommending it because of the v1 board - so I guess now the issues of the v1 board are pretty irrelevant, even if the motor plugs will make the "new" mobula6 2024 perform worse because of the added resistance and the added weight - 0.6g or so I believe - which makes the conclusion of the video even more relevant

[@NickBurnsFPV]

@@AymericPachod I did notice on the happymodel site the noted a revision change on the FC. Does sound like an issue was identified between them making the revision and the reports you have been seeing.

[@oisinogorman35]

Nick burns racing whoop review, immediate like.

[@ironoreiron]

The thing

[@brianlangford7278]

I'm missing company's making new 2-4s whoops,way more fun,I'm really missing my 2 hx 100's,they fly so beautiful, have track couple down

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I have been a fan of 2s whoops, but we certainly haven't seen much in that market. My guess is when they were offered the market didn't buy them as much as the 1s variants.

[@RGMLLC]

When is your next give away i want to win a quad bc i don’t have the money to buy one 🥲 not to mention i don’t even have a quad yet

[@NickBurnsFPV]

I don't schedule them. They come up organically. Stay tuned and it will come in due time.