Airbus Says The Return Of The A380's Production Is NOT Ruled Out

[@Tina-d8f]

With many in storage, I can't see new A380's rolling of the production line. Long may the type continue to fly.

[@cyrilmeynier5688]

Maybe we could imagine a re-engining program. Similar to the Dc-8 -70's

[@Sacto1654]

@@cyrilmeynier5688 Not a far-fetched idea. A GE9X derivative or a Rolls-Royce _UltraFan_ derivative for the A380 could very well happen.

[@cyrilmeynier5688]

@@Sacto1654 installing new generation engines as retrofit to existing aircraft, after production of the type has stopped, is quite usual in the military world. KC-135s are probably the most famous case. B52s are another example... There are many others. In civilian aviation, it's much rare, but not unheard of. DC-8-70, Lockheed JetStar... The main reason is that civilian aircraft typically piles much more flight-hours per year than their military peers... So the airframes are not around for decades.

[@karlp8484]

There's about as much chance of the A380 going back into production as my Grandmother becoming an airline pilot. And she's been dead for 3 years. What is a slight possibility is that certain components may be upgraded as replacement parts to enhance efficiency or passenger amenity.

[@k9killer221]

Further to that, because the A380 is so popular with passengers, there's a possibility for greatly expanding BC and PE, also with more room in each case, meaning the plane can be profitable with fewer passengers. Is this maybe in Emerites' plan for the 67 planes they are retaining?

[@davidwebb4904]

Frontier will hire her.

[@idanceforpennies281]

People forget that the A380s in service make money. Just ask Emerites. So continuing to upgrade the A380 ; capitalising on it's huge internal volume makes sense.

[@artureff3046]

​@@idanceforpennies281Emirates is competitive due to no taxation on fuel....

[@jennyjohn704]

@@artureff3046 Because of international agreements, air fuel is untaxed almost everywhere.

[@teece900]

A380 neo would be cool but never gonna happen.

[@sgdemobushunter7394]

I mean the a380plus did but there wasnt any orders so there isnt anymore

[@teece900]

@@sgdemobushunter7394 oh yeah sad 😢

[@BigWhoopZH]

Never say never. Times and conditions change all the time.

[@mad500]

Watching this while waiting for my flight on an a380

[@franciscook5819]

Each engine on the A380 produces about 70,000 lb thrust. At a minimum each engine on a "twin" version would have to produce over 140,000lb thrust - which is way more than the largest current engines (circa 115,000 lb thrust). Given engine out requirements (which I do not actually know) I'd guess the required thrust requirements would be much larger than 140,000lb. This then raises the question of clearance of the engines under the wings. So it would require a) new engines about 50% more powerful than any current engine 2) redesigned engine pylons 3) redesigned wing structure (beefier inner mounts, removed outer mounts at a minimum) and, possibly, 4) redesigned and larger empennage to cover single engine operation. Not going to happen as a twin. Re-engined with, say appropriately sized RR Ultrafans and minimal other changes, it might be possible, but I very much doubt it.

[@peterprokop]

This is thrust of more than eight(!) A321Neo engines. But it can only carry 3,5 times the number of passengers, but airlines make more money with great first and business class seats, and you need less pilots, so it does not seem excessively more expensive. Compared to two XWB97 on an A350-1000, the thrust ratio is 240:194 or 1.24:1, while the max passenger ratio is 853:480 or 1.77:1, so the A380 requires less thrust per passenger. Anyway, while writing this I let ChatGPT produce this thrust per passenger list, all in max economy configuration: 1. Boeing 737-900ER: 248 lbf per passenger. 2. Boeing 737 MAX 8: 267 lbf per passenger. 3. Airbus A321neo: 270 lbf per passenger. 4. Airbus A380: 328 lbf per passenger. 5. Airbus A330-300: 327 lbf per passenger. 6. Airbus A330-900neo: 327 lbf per passenger. 7. Airbus A320neo: 340 lbf per passenger. 8. Airbus A350-900: 383 lbf per passenger. 9. Airbus A350-1000: 404 lbf per passenger. 10. Boeing 777-300ER: 419 lbf per passenger. 11. Boeing 747-8: 440 lbf per passenger. 12. Boeing 787-10: 478 lbf per passenger. 13. Boeing 787-9: 500 lbf per passenger. In terms of thrust per passenger, the A380 is up there with the least demanding planes, while the 787-9 seems to be a bit overpowered, but what do I know.

[@kristus20]

what about a 3 engine design like the L-1011, MD-11 or DC-10?

[@wambugukingori]

There are opportunities to cut weight from the airframe so maybe thrust demand is also lowered

[@l2etranger]

2:11 then whatever model is produced should be the stretched neo and a cargo freighter version.

[@mustafashulqamy1844]

Cargo probably not

[@timberry1135]

Freighter version would require a massive redesign and more than likely a completely new certification process to be gone through. Never going to happen. A380's will never again be produced. Just to brake even it would require orders more than double the amount that they have produced already and that isnt possible.

[@LetterboxFrog]

​@@mustafashulqamy1844I agree, but the lack of a freighter has probably held the A380 back, and there are no jumbo sized large aircraft coming into the market which will constrain airfreight in years to come.

[@mustafashulqamy1844]

@LetterboxFrog There is demand for it but it would require a big overhaul like @timberry1135 said

[@adrianbennett3761]

During and post pandemic many 380s were taken out of service. I’m sure Emirates will be able to buy a few cheap. I can’t see many other airlines being interested, so there is no business case for restarting production.

[@d.b.cooper1]

Production in small numbers with newer more efficient engines could work. Emirates alone would snap them up given the Boeing issues. Airbus might however charge a huge premium to make up for lack of economies of scale.

[@grigandy]

It could have worked only if the factory was still available but since it was already been converted, it will involve huge costs

[@soccerguy2433]

no

[@jakeoht791]

They already lost around $25B the first time, airlines would really have to cough up some money before ever considering making new ones. More likely scenario would be that Airbus refurbishes old ones something to give the airframes another 1/4 or 1/2 life. Maybe they would also re-engine old ones. But at the end of the day there was only ever like 250 of them, Airbus has already washed their hands of the program.

[@Secretlyanothername]

Still four engines. Twice as much maintenance as a 351 or 779

[@cwg73160]

No.

[@saminnippon]

the A380 will come back but the engine and airframe engineering will need new tech to boost its cost-efficiency

[@IamnotShawn777]

simple flying is the only aviation youtuber that doesn't gives you a clickbait, mad respect to this man and his team❤

[@skylineXpert]

For routes out of heathrow (+other slot restricted airports) it may work...

[@johannessamuelsson6578]

I'm surprised that KLM didn'tbuy the A380. Schiphol is congested, buth in the terminals and on the apron.

[@bigstick6332]

Does any of the tooling still exist. Are the supply chains still viable? Highly unlikely after almost 3 years since last production

[@muhammadhanifkurnaen6689]

Strech A350 is much better option overall than resurging A380. Both for Airbus and the market. Even 777 still capable to be streched further so double decker jumbo jet isnt viable option

[@robbroere1384]

Let us be clear. Airbus can ONLY stretch the A350-1000 by 6.2 meters as it will exceed the 80 meters benchmark. Anything longer and every airport globally might not be able to handle it. No aircraft, except the now destroyed AN225, is longer. Even if Airbus could stretch it up to 80 meters, they cannot make the wingspan any wider as it would exceed 65 Meter and with that become a code F aircraft, like the A380 or B747-8. Code-F (80-80) requirements instantly means the Aircraft is limited to airports that can handle the A380 or B747-8. Unless they do what Boeing has done to overcome this issue on the B777X, folding wing tips to keep it a Code-E (80-65), like the B777-300ER is also. For the same reason of length the B777-9 can only be 3M longer.

[@justplanenuts5541]

Quite simply if there became enough demand, I think Airbus would pull the trigger.

[@timberry1135]

There will nevber be enough demand.

[@Behemoth29]

Fact: Every single twin engine is noticeably more uncomfortable than the A380 from a passenger perspective.

[@doujinflip]

Its size is part of the comfort. A cruise ship will be more comfortable to ride in compared to any long range ferry.

[@TravelWithKabirCD]

I hope the ones that are around, continued to fly from many years. I’m no airline executive, however, the whole reason that the airbus A380 was developed was to deal with slot constrained airports. This is going to be an even bigger issue coming up. I can totally see there being a future for another double-decker aircraft, and I hope it’s based off of the beautiful airbus A380.

[@hugostiglitz6914]

Can't see any resurrection of the A380. For one, all the production lines and personnel have moved on to something different. What would be possible is an upgrade program for the already existing A380. With avionics upgrades, engine upgrades and interior upgrades, the aircraft could have a long life ahead of it.

[@king_br0k]

An upgrade program is more likely

[@danielb2571]

It would all come down to if a bigger jet of the future be profitable. Not just price per seat per mile, but against all the operational costs.

[@MarioB87]

Before the manufacturer gives the green light on the program, there has to be enough interest from airlines. Seeing that airbus already converted the a380 manufacturing location, there's simply not enough demand to justify the cost of bringing back the A380. Furthermore it's design was built for the hub-spoke model and aside from Emirates (who has but 1 hub to operate from) there aren't many airlines around that operate that way anymore.

[@grandnagus5851]

The only A380 that makes sense to me would be a A380F, but since nothing like that will ever happen, Airbus hasn't even finished certifying the A350F yet, it wouldn't happen, and it shouldn't, as nice as it would be to see an updated A380.

[@doujinflip]

A380 is poorly suited to haul freight in general. It'd be like trying to stack containers on a cruise ship.

[@aasishwarsaravana5748]

If the a380neo does become a possibility in the future, I think they should go with both the dreamliner engines for the aircraft, i.e, the GenX and the Trent 1000, while also having the cockpit architecture of the a350, and using the lessons learned from the a350 and a380 construction to increase production rate and reliability. Since most operators of the a380 are also present / future b787 and a350 operators, if they had the same engines as the 787, it would make for easy acceptance, as they dont need to train more staff for maintenance, and the 787 engines are of similar thrust output to the current a380 engines. Also, they MUST have both engine options of the 787 if they want this a380neo to sell, as most operators also have different versions of the b787 engines, eg European carriers - Trent 1000, and most other carriers - GenX. And thus instead of optimising the aircraft for one engine, they have to put the extra effort to optimise for both engines, and gibe airlines the choice! Also, a350 cockpit is preferred if they want easy pilot interoperability, and they should not stick with the old cockpit like they did with the a320neo / a330neo, since the future of airbus widebody is now the a350, and if the new a380neo is going to find its place in airlines, it should adapt as such. Also new manufacturing processes to limit excess material in planes and weight reduction like they did with the a350 must become a priority, so that the aircraft becomes more efficient in carrying passengers and load just by being lighter. And new wingtip devices for the a380 can also help increase efficiency for longer ranges, and can have the option to match the range of the a350 1000 16100 km! And they can include the improvements done to the A350 new production standard on these planes too! But GOD I DONT WANT TO SEE THE 11 ABREAST A380!! It would become a cramped plane! But sadly, airlines are going to go for cost per seat, so they are definitely going for this economy configuration🥲🥲. And also, the plane should cost even less than 2 787 10s! The purchase price of the a380 at launch was 455million, which adjusted for inflation may be more than 500 million. And each b787 10 costs 350 million without discount. So, airbus must price this accordingly, as instead of airlines purchasing a fleet of b787 or a350s for high demand routes, they can buy half the a380s at a lower price, while not costing the airlines much in operational complexity, as they are old a380 operators, and the a380neo will have similar tech to the newer a350, and the engines of the 787, while having the airframe of the older a380s. They dont even have to engineer a brand new wing for the a380 like they did with the a330neo, thus reducing developmental costs, and time needed to deliver the airline, and can set up manufacturing immediately, and keep operational similarity with many airlines! If Airbus manages its expectations and timelines properly, they will have a winner in their hands in this current boom in Air Travel!

[@alexandervt641]

Cool news, A380 is a great jet. Although videos states that this is not very likely, there is some hope.

[@kevin-parratt-artist]

I want it. The A380 has been my favourite passenger flying experience. It's as simple as that.

[@Tpr_1808]

It's got as big of a chance as the 747. Both a380 and 747-8 sales were abysmal even if you add the cargo 747-8

[@doujinflip]

Quad-jets in general are just not competitive against modern high-bypass powerplants. But the 747 can still fly more profitable airfreight pallets, as it's originally designed for.

[@MisterPanda1989]

Okay. I want to look forward to introduction of superspeed jets with less capacity, more speed and fuel effiency and cheap tickets. That's all!

[@Fizzy-1576]

The military airbus A400M production line could be used to make A380 with A350 neo engines savings on engine costs and keeping both low volume products going. Smaller wings will allow for reduction in range but allow for more airports to be used

[@djdinobravo]

All the A380 needs is a two engine version. That will be a game changer

[@counterfit5]

That's far from a simple thing. You can even look at the B-52 re-engine program, and how it's not going to 4 engines entirely due to engine-out performance

[@jasonlee4267]

That will never happen but if it could have been done it would be game changing. The A380 uses around 280,000lbs of thrust to take off, even taking the new A777X engines on board, the aircraft would still be short by 90,000lbs of thrust, not sure the engineers could produce something with a 40% increase, and thats before entire wing redesign due to the massive engine size increases. I would speculate that most of the central airframe and fuselage would need to be redesigned to accommodate entirely new wings and huge new engines.

[@Angel33Demon666]

Maybe 3 engined will make more sense for performance reasons

[@jonathankeren-black2983]

A 390, double decker with similar internal space and feel, but new optimised wing and twin superfans

[@PureshowGaming]

My dream to see A380 neo with efficiency upgrade

[@ecoideazventures6417]

The A380 saga shows we really live in strange times - passengers who fly in them love them but airlines hate to fly them! Hope the new SAF fuel can help in reviving it

[@Xerxes_US]

Interesting love that intro 😂

[@KevinEnjoyer]

This is PR, nothing more. Everything about the A380 is costly, and there is nothing profitable about the plane now that the A350 exists. As Wendover Productions has said, the plane was a massive costly blunder for Airbus. The only good thing that came out of it was Airbus getting more experienced with manufacturing large aircraft, and the significant positive PR and customer impressions that the A380 made upon them.

[@xXSwaghetti.YoloneseXx-uf2bb]

Should've been made with a combi model in mind from the beginning. 🔝 deck for people, bottom for freight.

[@doujinflip]

That's why the 747 is still flying. Boeing engineers were concerned about its profitably over time and so designed it fundamentally as an airfreighter with seats bolted on.

[@kell7195]

There should be a conversion factory set up in the UAE, carbon fiber wing and wing box correctly sized and re-engined with modern fuel efficient engines

[@johnellis4646]

According to the Hamburger Abendblatt, and as reported by the specialized portal Simple Flying, the head of Airbus’ civil aircraft department, Christian Scherer, did not rule out the resumption of production of the Airbus A380, although he emphasized that it was unlikely.

[@alterman156channel]

If there is a need for a passenger aircraft the size of the Airbus A380, production could start up once again. Most likely it would be an updated version of the aircraft. This all depends upon the aircraft market. If more airports go for slot restrictions, a very large passenger jet airliner of some form would be necessary.

[@JorshimsAviation]

so…. rare change of an A380ACJ

[@Aj-894]

Theoretically, couldnt we use this design in a plane where the cooling channels would go through the wings where fuel would have been?

[@Kylo_Ren_2033]

Airliners will be interested If there is a way to fly these jets with only two engines.

[@Barney_the_Pufferfish]

my guess would be if fuel prices werent too high there might be a even higher chance than A380 would return

[@PavlosPapageorgiou]

People keep harping on about the four engines. The problems are more in that the plane is built on older 2000s technology, not carbon fibre, and is therefore heavy, and that it has poor utilization. It can only really fly one leg in a 24h period while a 787 is more interchangeable and could be scheduled on a longer and a shorter route for maximum revenue. Given the demise of all large transports it may be worth a redesign for that role. For example moving the cockpit down like the Beluga and having a unified cargo hold, front loading, crew area underneath.

[@kenoliver8913]

It is a "double bubble" fuselage which is inherently unable to have a unified cargo hold. In fact a big weakness of the 380 is that it was never designed with freight in mind at all (unlike the 747, which was originally designed as a freighter first with passengers an afterthought). This means that you can't convert old 380s to be a freighter which is why the accountants depreciate their capital cost so quickly (as they say, freight doesn't care how old the plane is - there are still heaps of ancient 747s carrying stuff around the world).

[@TheClunkingFist]

What airport is that at 8:30 ? - edit: Hamburg Finkenwerder

[@pingnick]

Yeah I can imagine the stretched version would be the only one to offer favorable economics but still maybe not as good as hypothetical 777-10 which FAR more airports could use!?

[@jasonlee4267]

As much as I would love to see the A380 program restarted, it just will never happen, the factory converted and program were shut down. Yes there is demand for large aircraft, but lets face it, 4 engines are much more expensive to run and with the A350-1000, the 777X on the horizons, new big more economical aircraft are just around the corner, there are also A380s still in deep storage yet to be brought back into service. There is no used market except for the possible new Uk startup 'global airlines' which is buying a few and planning to run an A380 fleet only.

[@cabottaxi]

No sense it making new ones as airlines like Qatar have about 3 or4 secondhand ones lying about. Much cheaper than buying new.

[@rufatdursunov8862]

A380 can be returned only with NEO version. Let me explain. A380 is consuming too much fuel on short and medium ranges, which makes it unprofitable. A380 makes only profit if you fly with full load and maximum range, like Acukland- Dubai by emirates. So if they can reengine A380 just like president of emirates always asks, then it would make sense. For example for routes like Sydney- London, Sydney -Newark, non stope.

[@grigandy]

Airbus is already working on the A350neo, of course a plane with a 10 year older design will have at least the same treatment

[@rufatdursunov8862]

@@grigandy yeah, A350-1000NEO with ultra fan from RR, promises efficiency over 10% compared to Trent XWB. In ideal conditions, we must add 10% of range to current 16100KM which makes 17710 KM. Something extraordinary. Please note, that this is not overrated A350-900ULR, that can accomodate only 161 passengers with limited cargo. This would me a plane that can accomodate 350+ passengers. ( usual configuration of loved by everyone B777-300ER) but with 25% effiency pear seat and almost 4000KM more range.

[@yo2trader539]

For a fuel inefficient plane like A380, doesn't it make more financial sense to use it on a short-distance trunk routes (like London-Amsterdam or Sydney-Melborune), more so than long-distance?

[@MatthewL1973]

I believe scaling a production line of a high composite material, redesigned wings and newest generation engines, or even a better engine in development now, with other improvements would allow for a new A380 to be viable. Scale the production to less units per month/year for a lower order book from the very start. In time, you may see greater demand and Airbus could scale up when necessary instead of the, “build it and they will order,” option where overhead and investment will exceed demand from time to time.

[@wesellanybiz]

Emirates were offered to take another 25 units by Airbus and that would have kept the production line open for another 10 years! Emirates didn’t take them, if they had who knows other airlines may have taken more and Airbus would have continue to build those for years to come! Unfortunately can’t see A380 being built again, we may get a larger version of A350 at some point!

[@zlm001]

Thanks.

[@Trainmaster909]

The only way the A380neo will happen is if Emirates places an order so large it basically cancels all other orders to operate all A380 planes

[@j3j326]

Hope for the A380, right now it’s easier to make the A350 a lot more bigger. Airbus should consider this for the future near future and an A350 style aircraft for later.

[@jfmezei]

Rewind history to a time when the 777 was a DC10 replacement with 9 across seats and 32" seat pitch, and the 787 was replacing the 767 with 8 across seating and 32" seat pitch to compete against the 330. The 380 and 747 were the only way to provide the capacuty of a "jumbo" jet. With airline accountants making flying as miserable as they can with narrow seats and reduced seat pitch, the 777's capacity came close to the 747, and the 787 comes close to DC-10. Airlines would rather put 11 across with 25" seat pitch on 777 rather than buy larger jets since they have no intention of making coch comfoortable ever again. In fact, it is more lieky to see smaller places with business and premium economy only and just diutch coach alltogether. Note that towards the end, Airbus did propose 3-5-3 A380 model to de sify it and increase capacity. Twin engine 380 will take a long time. 380 has 4 * 70,000lbs engines = 280,000lbs thurst. It needs 3/4 to comp;lete take off or 210lbs of thurst. In a twin configuration, it means it need each engine to have at least 210lbs of thrust in order to complete take off if other engine fails. The new GE9X are reported to be 134,000lbs pof thrust, so not even close to the 210 needed. had the 777 and 787 not been densified, the 747 and 380 would still be alive today. But with passengers continuing to fly despite airlines working so hard to make flying as miserable as possible, airlines have no incentive to move back to making coach pleasant again. And the 380 only makes sense when you want comfortable coach seats which airlines resolutely do not want.

[@TonyLee-th1vv]

As passengers, we must smart enough to boycott them, cattle class is not for human, simply don't buy the ticket for certain aircraft with cramped seats.

[@stickynorth]

Do it! But with hydrogen electric powertrain options! A clean jumbo jet should be the goal!

[@KMASIF-mi9yj]

Are there any capable engine for a 2 engine a380🤔. RR Ultrafan maybe

[@well-blazeredman6187]

The only thing that would put this aircraft back into production would be a VERY large order from Emirates. And the aircraft would need a re-engining and tech-refresh.

[@davidwebb4904]

It will need to come back as a twin.

[@mindblown9]

I think a twin engine and a freighter version would work

[@ErwinPinocto]

A more cost-effective A380 Neo could make sense, but the development costs would be prohibitive in regard to the potential sales. However, I think that Airbus should really produce a higher capacity A350, not to be beaten by the upcoming 777-X.

[@skmncg2]

Correct

[@glorfindel17]

Could it work with 2 Rolls Royce (smaller) Ultra Fans? If possible, what if Sir Tim Clarke put a potential order for 100 of these on the table?

[@lulakacontreras3520]

THERE IS ONE WAY OF QUADJETS COMING BACK, if we consume most of the high quality querosene ( the cheap and good one and biofuels are not internchangable because of ther quantity or quality) and we are left with production of fuel with higher impurities that can cause more engine problems, quadjets would make again more logical sense, that is the only way they can come back.

[@history_leisure]

Probably better with an A360/A370 that has a second deck, but probably closer to the 747 in size that might be appealing to British (possibly affiliated carries), Lufthansa (possibly affiliated carries), and the Middle Eastern carriers. Qantas and possibly North American carriers might take a look once it’s in the air

[@mx338]

Are there even any engines capable of turning the A380 into a dual engine craft?

[@HS-PGX]

Silly suggestion: would three GE 9X engines be enough for the A380? We could see the resurgence of the trijet era! From my calculations, 3x GE9X engines are equal to 4x Rolls Royce Trent 900 engines. Maybe it would be a possible workaround eh?

[@FameyFamous]

I’m afraid a 3-engine version would require the same very expensive certification process as a 2-engine version. It seems wildly unlikely. Why don’t you just resume production of the MD-11? 😊

[@jfmezei]

converting the 380 into a DC10 would require HUGE structural changes. Engines currently hang off the wings which generate the lift so support the engines directly. Fuselage doesn't care about weight of engines. Add an engine in the tail and the fuselage has to support its weight, and it totally changes the aerodynamics of the tail section. So you have yourself a totally new aircraft not just for paperwork/certification but actual engineering of fuselage structure. More curious f it would be possible to mix GE9X class engines inboard and smaller engines on the outboard. On the other hand, having 4 egines that are the same reduces spare part inventories and maintenance procedures/cost. odds are that increased capacity will be done by carying only married couples with wife seated on husband's lap to double the 777's capacity with 12 narrow seats per row.

[@arienoordzij3823]

I think the reincarnation of Wilbur Wright is more sensible than a 'new' A380. People have been talking, thinking, dreaming of the restart of B767, B757 and a Fokker 130. Now it's time for the A380. I suppose it's 'cucumber time', which means, if there is no news, we'll think of something to 'talk' about!

[@ricahrdb]

For the foreseeable future it is out of the question. The market would have to change significantly to make it Airbus's worth their while. No doubt they could do it but right now it wouldn't make sense.

[@CBrick]

I'd like them to give big plane a chance once again but it's unrealistic

[@joeyjoe3ful]

The B777X was designed to fail just like the B737max. So I would expect the A380 to revive off the demise of the B777x.

[@KrisPKreme93]

The primary engines for the A380 (Trent 900) weren’t even the most powerful engines at the time they came out. I’m sure if Airbus utilizes the most powerful engines currently on the market (GE9X), they could turn it from a 4-engine plane into a 2-engine plane.

[@87solarsky]

They need a neo-version as modern as the A220 or A350 and powered by only two super-big Rolls-Royce UltraFan engines.

[@idanceforpennies281]

That's a new plane. Whole certification cycle has to start again from scratch.

[@87solarsky]

@@idanceforpennies281 Better late than never...

[@eamonahern7495]

Global and Emirates could make use of them in the unlikely event that it did happen. Assuming Global's business model will be successful.

[@poocheeko]

Only if they can make it twin engine would it be visible

[@mrcaialexander2352]

380 has an empty weight of 628,000. 628,000-20% is near 500,000 pounds. Cut the gross weight with lighter material. -Reduce the weight is key -Unless you get 9300nm range out of this thing the twins are going to be top choice by air carriers. Dont shoot me this is just my feedback.

[@sundragon7703]

Is there a future for an A380F or is that market too small?

[@kristus20]

There is not because the design of the A380 was very passenger oriented, an A380 makes no economical sense because it would not be able to use its large volume effectively because of weight restrictions. A 747 freighter can carry more weight than an A380F could, even though it has a smaler volume. The 747 was designed as a cargo plane to begin with. An A380F would only make sense for a freight operator who flies huge quantities of very light weight goods around.

[@petersafwat8228]

Only way this thing happens is Rolls Royce delivers on their ultra fan and its strong enough to propel a stretched and/or maybe lightened version with 2 ultra engines instead of 4 and watch the 777X fade out of existence

[@M..J..Pinkyy]

We can only hope. I love the A380

[@alicelund147]

Airbus need many orders to do that, and they will not do it if it cannibalize A350-1000 orders. But if Boeing 777X outsells A350; Airbus need to respond.

[@waltertomashefsky2682]

Airbus needs the factory space to make A321XLRs, their current ‘hot product’ which is being gobbled up by dozens (if not more) airlines. Would they replace A321 XLR production with a new A380 that appeals to only one airline (no names please)? I love the A380 and am saddened by its fate, but c’mon man, we’re talking basic capitalist economics here. I’m afraid that pigs will fly before an A380 Neo.

[@devonc8411]

At least it's still flying, at least for now.

[@idanceforpennies281]

For a while actually.

[@r12004rewy]

Unfortunately it's not going to happen, but at least many a380s are still in service with more to come out of retirement soon, Some airlines have up.on the 380 prematurely the 380 is very popular with passengers. it's good to see that BA are upgrading some of the cabins on their fleet. Despite all the negatives voiced by many the 380 is going to be around for some years, if you haven't travelled on one DO IT you Will never forget the experience.

[@Sacto1654]

It's not a completely crazy idea. Emirates has been pushing for such an idea, and due to the increasing tightening of landing slots for "climate change" reasons, it may force airlines to fly bigger planes on fewer flights. With the iffy situation over the Boeing 777-9, the A380-800 revival with newer engines becomes more attractive to many airlines.

[@danielb2571]

A380 neo should use a tri engine design. 😅

[@Teddoxa]

as cool as the 380Neo would look, i just don't think it would work in todays working of airlines

[@jamesx4952]

I would love to see the a380 make a return

[@hanj31]

I want a 2 engine 747 revival

[@212MPH]

no chance. The wing assembly factory in the U.K. has been retooled to make other airbus wings.

[@hungo7720]

A gas-guzzling ponderous a380 can carry an enormous number of passengers but is no longer aligned with carriers' need. Indeed, there are only a few major operators of a380.

[@hishamosman4341]

Eventually over the next 10-15 years, Airbus has to come up with new models, apart from existing A330 Neo,A350 and A320/321's , especially for wide body. Realistically the A380 is the only aircraft operating that could ferry 450 passengers and above, that is until the 777X arrives. Prolonged delay to the 777X is really beginning to frustrate customers.Currently I read that the prototype is under going testing and it would take probably another year before it gets certified, let alone begin production. I say it would be wise for Airbus to make a study now on a larger body, wider then the current A350 and fit that Rolls-Royce Ultrafan that is being developed. To resurrect an A380 Neo just doesn't justify the development costs? Listen to what airlines require for the long run, be it hub to hub or mid regional routes? That is where the money is? That's my opinon though...

[@gavinlundie2310]

An engineering feat, but a financial disaster. They never even got close to a break- even point on investment. Move on.....

[@justinwalker5274]

I still think an A380 freighter would be a huge success

[@doujinflip]

Unfortunately its design prevents an economical use of the space it could have offered, due to the low flight deck and second deck being structurally vital. Plus it would need more powerful engines and stronger landing gear, but airlines already complain about its fuel burn and maintenance costs.

[@delta_cosmic]

Emirates CEO must be happy

[@mrrolandlawrence]

only makes sense with new engines. also with a stretch. the b777x has that market to themselves. its the biggest jet you can buy & its $400m.- its 0-0% chance. probably lower of restarting. more chance of making a wider a350...

[@Aliquis.frigus]

A380 trijet?

[@sandeepreehal1018]

Re-engine it?

[@yutakago1736]

With Boeing 747 retiring, there are no competitor. It is a good time for A380 to return.

[@jakeoht791]

The 747 was only retired last year, without any completion there still wasn’t any sales.

[@umi3017]

A350-1200 maybe

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

AIRBUS could launch the A380-900neo which was a much anticipated stretched variant of the A380-800 conceived back in 2011 - 2012 . . . the stretched A380-900neo variant makes more sense both for AIRBUS & it's operator . . . a potential new A380 customer will look for upgrades & enhancements in the new A380 & a stretched variant of the A380-800 with more capacity & efficiency justifies re-introducing the A380 once again . . . should AIRBUS launch a new variant of the A380-800 the variant will have to feature new state-of-the-art hybrid aero propulsion in the interest of 46% lower fuel costs . . . otherwise it's just not viable . . .

[@sobobwas6871]

Or to put it another way it will never happen except as a threat to Boeing to add yet more sleepless nights to their scenario planning

[@rudivandoornegat2371]

Decreasing population numbers and high inflation are not good for an increase in air travel. A twin engine NEO A380 would be nice, but because of above mentioned reasons not likely to happen.

[@bikingmoments]

4-engine wouldn’t be attractive; if Airbus can make it fly with 2 engines, that’s a big hit on 777X