Airgun companies lying(you can never shoot slugs like this)

[@mariocesare7669]

I'm a retired Game Ranger, so essentially more accustomed to the use of centrefire rifles used throughout my 45 years in the bush. However, I am new to airguns and enjoying it. My first was an HW 100 in .20 cal. A superb rifle in every respect. Up to 60m it was right up with FX guns' accuracy shot side by side. I then moved on to an FX Crown in .22 cal. This gun extended my range and power, and truth be told is ergonomically the finest air gun I've ever held in my hand, but it had its limitations. So very reluctantly I traded it in and acquired an M3. I promptly fitted a slug power kit but retained standard superior liner. With this gun, given my basic tuning skills and using 66 year old eyes, I am able to group well under an inch at 100m. ( best 15mm) My best is 22mm at 140m. Ammo used was H&N ( arguably the finest mass produced slugs on the market) I tested a range of them and found .218 30gr at 985 fps the best. Then By, by simply dialing down I was able to shoot 18.13 JSB at 930 fps and although not perfectly set up for pellers was still able to shoot one to one and a quarter inch groups at 100m. A friend I shoot with, who is an air gunsmith by profession, shot a 12.5mm group at 100m with an M2. using 18.13 JSB pellets. I witnessed this, and numerous other similar feats with a couple of FX guns he was setting up for clients.... Bottom line, yes, FX may have issues, nothing is perfect, but it is certainly not in the accuracy department. So I support my fellow South African countryman Matt Dubber on his claims. And applaud him for his innovation in air gun tech advancement. I simply have to give credit where credit is due.

[@amazingairguns6350]

Good for you this is what is supposed to be about what do you use and what do you have for a gun

[@amazingairguns6350]

Mario you guys with these long posts and your long bullshit stories I want to see you put it on the video I wanna see you through a scope cam shoot that group you support your African bodies all you want but when you talk to me I’m not taking bullshit unless you put that on film you got nothing you get your scope cam out and you show us you can’t even shoot at a 50 yards do you think you’re talking to a dummy here.

[@amazingairguns6350]

And you tell Matt that now I’m not backing off and you tell them it personal because he lied to me and now it’s personal

[@amazingairguns6350]

Do you support that POS well then I’ve got a great video coming out for you. It’s all his own comments contradicting himself consistently. Why because he lie to make money. I congratulate you on being someone who wants to stick up for your friend but you’re on the wrong side of this pal

[@jeremywilliams7459]

​@@amazingairguns6350you just sounding jealous now there are many videos on here showing this just cause you can't do it doesn't make it impossible hell some of these guys are shooting things at 400 & 500 yards

[@teambadassairguns6431]

It's going to be a blast to hang out with you on the rockymountainairgun challenge, u said before that you will compete. Have you signed up yet? I only think there is one person that could beat you in this competition with all you're knowledge and that is Chuck Norris.

[@duopkik]

All talk no action. He's yet to put his money where his mouth is. Let's see some "proof".

[@DrSaminstine]

I think these guys know how to tune guns and understand how to dial accuracy. That is all. Everyone has days they nail it. Some days you don’t. I have seen many fx guys in very real competition putting it right in the 10 circle over and over. They win a lot. Is it pro shooters or good guns I think both. I own fx and they are awesome. Do I love it more than my avengers. That is a hard debate for many reasons the biggest being the price point. Is it more versatile than the avenger? Yes it is. What about quality. Both are solid. Can they be improved? It’s a obvious yes but you should understand what you get from each one. They both perform well out of box but need refinement to achieve extreme accuracy like you assume should be standard. It’s not. Every shooter has preferences and individual style that effects how the tool is used. You sound frustrated that people might choose a expensive choice that has broad support for aftermarket products and parts to achieve that kind of extreme accuracy you point out here. I bet most entry level shooters typically eye something less expensive than a fx product to get started. If a newbie chooses a fx for a first gun they probably will enjoy the features and customization available. Avenger fans have to work harder to customize their guns as I have and it’s definitely harder to share the exact parameters used for that extreme success you are referring to. I don’t doubt Matt shot those groups with those guns and slugs at that range. It’s his livelihood to do so. Just because a pro shooter can do it surely doesn’t mean the average shooter can duplicate his results it just means it’s possible and he proved it. Most understand that. All these companies just sell the tool it’s up to you to learn how to use it effectively. Some people like Ernest Roe understand and tune the guns for those who don’t understand applied physics but want that pin point accuracy. Fx can do it just like avengers or Texans or vixens or hastans or hubens ect ect. It’s what you know. Just a change in temperature can wreck those groups. A thousandth of a inch too tight or loose can make the difference. You know this. Everything matters in extreme accuracy. The hold the cheek placement the trigger pull the tools consistency the atmospheric pressure the humidity it all plays a part and some have a gift for reading it. If you think showing what can be done is misrepresenting a product I am not sure I agree. I think tools in professional hands are often better than the average individual. I can make a basket or two up close with the same basket ball as Larry bird but he will smoke me out at the three point line. Does that mean that him selling a basket ball or a shoe after showing him hit three in a row due to his skill is misrepresenting the tool. Kinda debatable. Might be a bit much as the majority of the population understand how advertising works. Popular winners sell stuff. If they want to remain popular and relevant they sell good stuff.

[@amazingairguns6350]

That’s not true some days you have it some days you don’t that’s not true if you have a good gun every day you have it. Now your skills might be off for a day but your gun should be always perfect. Which leads me to a funny comment that FX shooters make my Gun needs to settle In .

[@amazingairguns6350]

Now let’s get this going sale you say when I talked to you before and you told me you eased your choke I didn’t say there’s no way to ease a joke . You can’t is a choke you think you’re gonna make a laughing tool and is a joke what are you gonna do take a 1000 off 2000s. And here’s another thing Sam you’re shooting a measly 50 yards you’re going to competition you’re gonna be stretching that to 100. And let’s see how your group opens up when you get out to 100. There isn’t shit you’re gonna tell me about a choked rifle barrel you’re going to get your ass handed to you because you don’t know what the hell you’re doing you’re a guy was buying guns and playing around and playing your guitar on your videos stick to your guitar and leave the guns to me

[@amazingairguns6350]

Hey why don’t you stretch that avenger out to 100 for us video that kettle avenger and that other gun you were shooting out to 100 with slugs. Come on show us how it shoots I haven’t even put the tip of the iceberg with all my knowledge I spent a lifetime with a gunsmith a lifetime are you kidding me you’re an amateur.

[@amazingairguns6350]

I suggest you play your guitar and leave the shooting off your videos. Although banjo is definitely more bad ass than guitar guitar

[@amazingairguns6350]

And you’ve read these articles and you don’t understand 90% of the things you’re saying you have no understanding about I’ve watched your videos. Why don’t you do a video for us on easing a choke . I went easy on you and I let you hang your self with all your bullshit let’s see weeds that choke . And show us that hundred yard group show us what you got at 100 with your eased choke

[@rickoshea8138]

This is the video location you pulled your snippet from: kzbin.info/www/bejne/in2uZp1oqteCgJI 40 meter indoor test range produced the small groups on unmarked off-white paper: kzbin.info/www/bejne/in2uZp1oqteCgJI "Sub MOA at 100" simply means less than an inch at 100 yards. Not quarter inch: kzbin.info/www/bejne/in2uZp1oqteCgJI If you think that I am a full on Dubber fan-boy, he banned me from posting on his travel channel, because I criticized one of his videos . Even though Dubber pissed me off for banning me from that channel, I can't find any evidence to support your claims that he lied about group size. I think you have conflated "sub MOA", with 1/4" at 100 yards, when that was never claimed. One MOA does not mean "one inch". It is an angle; so 1 MOA is just over 2" at 200 yards; and just over 1/2" at 50 yards, etc. That 1/4" group you showed in your video was shot in the FX Factory at their 40 meter indoor range. That would probably shoot about 3/4" at 100 yards; which is sub-MOA.

[@michaelbritain5546]

Obviously this amazing airgun guy doesn't comprehend what sub MOA is, but then if brains were TNT he couldn't blow his nose.

[@teambadassairguns6431]

Fx airguns is the real deal! If you don't like to tuning and learn how the platform works don't buy it but if you like to tweak and tuning it is for you. I have tweaked mine for some years and now I can hit a ballon in 20yards, with some fliers to be honest but it hits 3 out of 10 and sometime ballons pop, love the sound of it (bloop). And I am very pleased! Love your videos btw, you are making Matt more famous for every new video, I like his curls too!

[@amazingairguns6350]

Team bad ass are you an idiot I know who you are you’re in with the a holes at Utah are you guys stupid. I actually enjoy this it’s fun you guys are part of the FX miss information crew. This is about FX lying and showing how their guns shoot a quarter inch at 100 yards and they never can come close they shoot an inch and a half or larger. This is about them lying. Your team bad ass isn’t that your name you’re part of those guys who go to these meats and you beat up and guys that have cheaper guns that’s what you are you’re not too bad ass to me why don’t you shoot groups with me will do a video you do yours I’ll do mine I told you that before but you’re just a bullshit check in like the rest of them. And I’m glad Frederick Axelson is losing his ass because he lies and he cheats. If you guys don’t know who that is who see these comments that’s the owner of FX airguns

[@zzep69]

I just know if the fx shot as well as everyone has said but yet I see people using harmonic tuners

[@teambadassairguns6431]

@@zzep69 hi John, I never going to put a harmonic tuner on my barrel I think people buying this more for the looks. But stiffing up the liner isn't a bad choice for impact like the ss steel barrel or carbon. Then you see the groups getting smaller.

[@zzep69]

@@teambadassairguns6431 your not very smart are you, a carbon fiber sleeve will help but it is not the answer and as far as harmonic tuners only people who don't understand guns would say they are for looks

[@teambadassairguns6431]

@@zzep69 maby not! I just know what is working for me I can only talk from my own experience with the impacts. Off course people make aftermarket kit and want to make a profit of it, it's called business! But it's up to you if you think it's worth it.

[@petereriksson4115]

seek help man. Ohh, probably already did as its so quite in here...

[@duopkik]

Didn't you say you was going RMAC in a previous video a few months back? Remember, put your money where your mouth is.

[@colinrecardo6452]

He shit his nappy. 😂

[@stevenmarin5097]

Take the challenge 100 challenge that man made you .

[@ChuckBradfordPhotography]

So how did you do at RMAC? You promised to shut us all up once and for all this year!

[@jeremywilliams7459]

I wouldn't call it a lie i get very close to that not quite that good but in the half to 3/4 in range. And something I think your failing to consider is he has probably another $1000 worth of upgrades to his rifle. 1.5 in is about what I would get before doing several upgrades so to call everyone liars is a lie you can get those results just not with a stock gun

[@amazingairguns6350]

@@jeremywilliams7459 well, if you take conventional rifled barrel stock, guns polish the barrel lap the barrel. You’ll get under a half inch every time if it’s done properly so I got to tell you once again those barrels are junk they don’t work they have a chalk do you understand that. Do you understand that the barrels are not true because they press the rifling in from the outside and the stock tubes they start with are not the same diameter all the way through. And as far as you’re telling me anything about barrels and add-ons, the problem is in the liner, add whatever the hell you want to that gun. Watch my video on the FX liner that I got to shoot better. Your stuff is junk you only gone and you’re not pissed off. Do you have a shitty shooting gun to your part of this year FX boy

[@dironizareyes596]

I could guarantee he got that group with the setup that pushes 40grain slugs at 1140fps. I believe him I’m a amateur and my Fx shoots 50yd groups look like that I’m sure a pro like him can do it at 100yds

[@amazingairguns6350]

It’s not about him it’s about the gun. It has a chocked barrel. Do you understand that you just don’t get it do you?

[@dironizareyes596]

@@amazingairguns6350 you’re videos are awesome and one of a kind. Very educational and motivating to give one the confidence in enjoying more out of their hobby by becoming more involved. So maybe I don’t get exactly your point. In one or two sentences can you please explain what it is? So a choked barrel in most or some cases causes more inaccuracies?

[@amazingairguns6350]

What kind of gun do you have?

[@dironizareyes596]

@@amazingairguns6350 fx dynamic 600mm 22

[@jonsmith4180]

Amazing airguns you really have no idea what you're talking about you're trying to discredit all these KZbin channels and the company fx yet you just don't know anything about airguns because if you knew the first thing about them then you would have at least mentioned harmonic tuning do you realize how important that is you can't just crank the power wherever you want it and expect it to shoot great and then when it doesn't stomp your feet and trash fx . I own 3 fx guns and I can put five shots in the same hole at 100 yds 50 yds is just boring I also own several other guns from different manufacturers and not one of them can do at 50 that my fx s can do at 100 and if you watch around on KZbin you'll see exactly what I'm talking about not just the big KZbinrs but you'll probably come back with some extravagant answer and that's fine the evidence is all over KZbin of how good these guns shoot so I don't really care I just figured I'd try to educate you

[@amazingairguns6350]

And it’s not like I look for mats videos I noticed that no matter what you’re watching the very next or the second next video is that slug liner video so FX is paying to have that be the next video for people. I was watching good old Airgun boys And it ended and that video came out of mats slug liners. FX is paying KZbin to be the next video up and it’s that liner video and you saw the fraud that is a fraudulent video those guns never will shoot like that that what that barrel

[@jonsmith4180]

Amazing airguns these guns do shoot that good I have a fx superior liner shooting jsb 25.39 pellets at 886 and it shoots 5 shots half moa at 100 yds

[@jonsmith4180]

@user-fz8fy4zl1c Just like you I can shoot five hundred yards with my slingshot but it doesn't mean I'll hit anything. I just got done. Shooting less than a 1/2 moa groups at 300 yd with my F x panthera today. Is sixty grain't alteras.

[@tomiliff7591]

I have had great luck with my FX guns if you know how to tune them I have gotten dime-sized groups with my 22 caliber with h&n slugs at 100 yards. On a calm day with a steady hand anything is possible

[@amazingairguns6350]

Why don’t you shoot a group for us now I know you’re a liar and you’re working with Matthew or 68 whiskey or up north Airgun or you’re full of it. Why don’t you shoot that group and post it and show us what you got dime size group you make me laugh those guns couldn’t do that unless you put a Walther barrel on it. So if you have a Walther Barrel I believe it if you have FX smooth crap you’re not gonna get anything

[@amazingairguns6350]

Now you say you’re another affects guy you gave me a like but then you tell me how you are getting dime size groups at 100 yards which I know you’re not or you would post a video of that or send me the video and I’ll post it. You gave me a thumbs up and then you said you shoot a dime size group you’re full of it tell Matthew I said hello

[@tomiliff7591]

@@amazingairguns6350 just because a person doesn't take videos of themself shooting groups at 100 yards doesn't mean they don't do it and even if I did shoot videos of me shooting groups at 100 people would say it's not real and I really don't care if people believe me or not there is a lot more bigger things going on in life than whether or not somebody believes you can shoot good with any particular type of gun and to tell you the truth I would like to see a gun other than day state or FX win competitions I would cheer you on if you went to a competition and shot against FX and daystate so why don't you put your money where your mouth is and do that

[@amazingairguns6350]

@@tomiliff7591 Tom I see you up there on air to cunning and Dobbers comments

[@amazingairguns6350]

Do you know why FX airguns are so tunable. Because their barrels are so in consistent. Did you know that the largest distributor for FX which was air guns of Arizona dump them three years ago. Kick their asses and Matt Dobbers right out the front door. Do you wanna know why because I know they told me why. Because they were Lieke inaccurate peel I shifting junk. They said years ago their guns were OK but now they’re just junk. Get up on our guns of Arizona see if you find any guns they have got a couple leftover barrels and some little small stuff they will never sell another FX product again

[@tofast5419]

How are you getting under an inch at 200 yards? How many times did you have to 📸🐕🌰🤔

[@amazingairguns6350]

I didn’t see your comments I’ve been working on this gun all day. I draw the choker in my kitchen to prove a point to all these so-called tuners professional toners. Tomorrow I put it on paper at 200 yards

[@amazingairguns6350]

There is a reason why I got the bus groups out of anybody because I am truly the best gunsmith on this planet

[@kilocali25]

I think you should learn how to tune cause I don't have a issue. I've shot 10 shot group at 100 yards with 3/4 inch results, with 28 grain javelin and 27 grain h and n slugs, with a 700mm barrel. Havnt tested the Nelson's yet

[@rickoshea8138]

Indoor range VS your outdoor range. Also, the FX range is 40 meters. Not 100. I think I hear "3/4 inch at 50 yards"; then the groups shrink to "one hole" after some hardware change. If you re going to quote Matt speaking about groups at a specific range, let us see the whole quote. All we see is groups shrinking at their test range. I don't hear him say 100 yards or 100 meters.

[@amazingairguns6350]

It’s there for everybody to say how he lied about those slug groups and at 50 yards you’re shooting 1 inch if you watch his videos he told you that that your group is going to be bigger at 50 yards than 100 you have seen that right he said it’s because the slug spiral and then they finally straighten them selves out how do you watch those videos but you know this who is this Frederick Axelson. Is this your fake KZbin name . Or are you employed by FX

[@rickoshea8138]

@@amazingairguns6350 It is not uncommon for bullets to wobble near the muzzle, then "go to sleep" at longer ranges. Research "bullet goes to sleep". So, as unlikely as it sounds, groups may seem wider at short range in terms of MOA, than than they print at longer ranges. As for the group SIZE in inches at 50 yards being larger than the group size at 100 yards, that sounds rather unlikely. My real name is not ROS. It is a play on "ricochet". I do not work for FX in any way, shape or form.

[@lankey21]

Hi you said in your reply to me that you was going do a video showing how to tune a huma air regular to 200 bar instead you done a video of your best mate Matt he's taking over you life just post the video's of the knowledge you have to help the likes of people like us who watch your video's and just let the FX boys do what they do and shoot the distance they do

[@michaelbritain5546]

He won't, his pitiful little no mark channel is going no where, so he starts to bad mouth people who can actually do what he only claims he can do.

[@riolynherrera1739]

I agree mat and many other KZbinrs are in for benefits or commission Many fx guns require upgrade to shoot as good as the video and I cost alot more I have few with crazy amount of money in them to deliver better accuracy than one out the box

[@michaelbritain5546]

Obviously not a shooter then, my FX crown straight from the box .22 at 28 fpe put 20 rounds in a bull at 35 yards, with my TEN YEAR old Grandson shooting it, maybe learn yourself before bad mouthing other people who can.

[@riolynherrera1739]

@@michaelbritain5546 you so pathetic anyone can do 35 yards from the box I live in the land of the free so I can express my opinion fx has cheap maid parts out of brass for an expensive air gun I know this because I own some fx rifles that require upgrade for better performance is the true like it or not

[@michaelbritain5546]

My fx crown shot straight from the box, no upgrades, no fancy after market parts just a full tune for the pellets, usually JSB 18.13 and Javelin 23 grain slugs, H&N are almost as accurate, but then after shooting air rifle for over 55 year's what do I know, obviously a LOT more than this channel ever will...

[@riolynherrera1739]

@@michaelbritain5546 ok mighty expert shooter I apologize glad your fx with no upgrade is doing well for you have a nice one ✌️

[@ChuckBradfordPhotography]

Not true, tunning and practice these guns will perform without modification.

[@jackj5630]

I don't think enyone getting paid by a airgun company is not going to have enything bad to say about there product....you don't bite the hand that feeds you right? Thank you for pointing these guys out to us! Great work 👏 👌

[@amazingairguns6350]

No they’re not all saying bad things but what they all are doing the guys that work for FX is creating an allusion of greatness and they are not even close. Watch my video on what Matt Dobre said 100 yard group was those guns not one of them can ever shoot better than an inch and a half with Slugs at 100 yards

[@botox9907]

Glad more people are speaking out about the FX ponzi scheme.

[@ChuckBradfordPhotography]

botox??? hahaha

[@John-rx3xx]

This how you SALE slug the NEW thing for air guns all for money

[@ChuckBradfordPhotography]

Have you done it, have you shot slugs and pellets in wind and seen the difference? Do you realize why this is a new thing? it is because at no time has it been easier to shoot moa at 100 yards, the way to improve 100 yard airgun groups due to environmental impact, like wind, is better ballistic coefficient ie slugs.

[@niklpx5851]

Son unos SEXBABY.Uno de los mejores conciertos ❤️ Son unos de los mejores conciertos, no puede ir pero de tan solo verlos desde pantalla 8, se que estuvok sorprendente...

[@crypto_creep8222]

I mean if you belive any of Fx marketing you deserve what you get. I feel bad for the new guys that come into airguns and get rail roaded by places like ytah airguns

[@amazingairguns6350]

Me too that’s why I’m such a loud voice against their company. I’ve on the guns I still on them and I know how poorly made they are. And I spent a lot of money. Think about if you’re a new guy coming into this and that’s all you see is FX everywhere everybody shooting them. You don’t know that they’re all being paid to do that so you think that the greatest guns out there. And the fact of the matter is this is the cheapest advertising for FX it cost them literally nothing to pay these guys the little they do get them all their equipment for free feed them pellets and slugs. And then on top of that to tell him never to shoot groups just shoot at animals and don’t show the misses.

[@crypto_creep8222]

@@amazingairguns6350 ive owmed a few fx and still own one out of the box it was shit, it needed alot of work and tuning but once i got it dialed in it shot well, but ive had leak issues

[@amazingairguns6350]

@@crypto_creep8222 they all have a leak issues here they are a leaking nightmare overdesigned just it’s unbelievable the stupidity in the designs of those guns an eye on them too and you know where they sit in my gun cabinet when I wanna shoots an animal and I need accuracy with the first shot I need to hit it I pick up my Artemis P 12 you’ve seen it shoot probably on one of my videos the 177

[@michaelbritain5546]

@@crypto_creep8222 then learn to shoot as obviously you can't, my TEN year old Grandson put 20 in the bull at 35 yards with a high power FX Crown, STRAIGHT from the box, but then he can actually shoot straight...

[@crypto_creep8222]

@@michaelbritain5546 wow 35 yards 😳 👏 you must be a expert sniper 🤔 anything under 200 is boring. Why anyone would spend 2k on a rifle to shoot 35 yards is beyond me. Stick to 200 dollar break barrels for that yardage🤷‍♂️

[@MKChase-uj9vx]

Lol... you've got to be mad to spend big money on air power when you can get a decent .22rl and shoot subs. A better gun for half the money 🤣

[@emp731]

1)What happens when your Government bans sales on ammo?? 2)Buy a cheap airgun. same price or less 🤣 3)Make cast slugs for days no primer,no powder ,no shells. 🤣

[@josephfast5887]

If you can't afford anything in this store, please excuses yourself.. this is a hobby.. You can't repeatedly shoot your .22lr all day, any day, everywhere tho, any city, rural or thru apt windows...can you. Have lots more fun tuning and testing the infinite .22 pellet types, u will get very bored very quick shooting your .22lr, it will get dusty rusty and sold.

[@michaelbritain5546]

I shoot both, and I'll take high powered Air any day.

[@emp731]

Then they shoot pigeons all day with no actual real world groupings on paper.

[@michaelbritain5546]

You obviously haven't watched many of their video's...