HDR 68 vs HDR 50 • final showdown

[@Angel-AbC9]

For the coconut test you should've used the same size coconuts because the smaller one will have a stronger shell than the bigger one.

[@FlushingStatic]

U stole my comment 😂 ,thats exactly what i was going to tell him.

[@acmechanic27]

Yes this is exactly what I was thinking. Objectivity was lost with different size coconuts.

[@AirgunAlley]

I’m sorry to all three coconut experts, but your theories really sound like absolute nonsense to me. And I’m sure you’re right, but can any of you pls show me where it says that slightly bigger coconuts have such incredibly weaker skins?? 😂😂😂

[@bulasturubula3660]

​@@SRockwellAsian coconuts or African coconuts?

[@dhanil7470]

Hi Gian ! 🤗 A great video as usual 🤗 The test I waited for, very informative. Merci mon ami 🤙

[@AirgunAlley]

Merci a toi mon ami!!! Always so nice to read your comments 🙏🏽 I’m very happy you liked the tests 😊😊

[@georgeloveless4176]

Awesome video...they literally get better every week. And the effects you use are the best! I have yet to purchase the HDR68, but I just bought the HDR50 11joule version and so far I love it. I bought the HDR50 original version like a year and a half ago, and now I'm not even sure what to do with it. I look forward to your new video drops each week and I literally could watch your tests and reviews all the time. Well done...your work is very much appreciated...see ya next week!

[@AirgunAlley]

George, thank you so, so much for this, give me a ton of support 🙏🏽 You know, I think this HDR50 that I used in this video is loosing a bit of power, I need to look into it. But regardless, the 68 is really on a different level, I do recommend it at some point. Wish it was like iphones - you turn in your 50 for a new 68 ahahahahaha thanks again my friend!

[@dangerous8333]

You wasted your money since you could have turned your original hdr50 into the 11j.

[@syn8etikos]

Same here, bro! I have been quite pleased with the performance of my own HDR50 (the 11J version sold in Greece), which I've basically used to shoot plastic bottles of water and aluminum soda cans, but reviews such as this make me feel that the HDR68 (16J) is, indeed, on a different level of performance, which makes it ideal for the purpose of home defense as well! Well, what can I say, I just ordered one through a store in France!

[@theFormidable1]

​@@AirgunAlleyI just got my HDR50 and always wondered if it would lose power overtime, because I noticed the sample HDR50 at the local shop that's been fired many times by different customers seemed weak compared to my brand new one, as far as the loudness of the report, not sure about penetration, but again just seemed like a softer "pop" on the sample one. Now after more than a year of you experience, does the HDR50 lose power and how well does the build last? i.e black paint coming off, gun structure falling apart, etc..

[@nicholasr82]

It's much simpler than he says to remove the restrictions. There is a silver cap that unscrews in the co2 compartment. Take that out with a straight screwdriver and fire away.

[@BigDave-u2i]

Thank you and I just bought 68 so we will see

[@runerebel8441]

Super video as always bro. Thanks for the shout out 😃 Love the slo-mo 👍👌. The energy is ca 10,8 fpe or 14,7 joule with the HDR50, and ca 18 fpe or 24 joule with the HDR68. Nice power 👌👍. Take care and stay safe . Greetings from your friend in Norway 👍

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank you Maestro Rune 🙌🏼 your calculations are always very appreciated 🙏🏽

[@runerebel8441]

@@AirgunAlley Iam glad to help 😃👍

[@MDHenry4]

My stock Umarex HDR68 is on the way:) Thank you for your work.

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank YOU! I hope you are happy with it!!

[@christianshannon3943]

I have two of each . I compared the actual accuracy between the two at a target about 15’ away and was shocked, they both were hitting inside the same group pattern with the factory preset at 7.5 joules. I’m hoping they’ll finally get the left hand plastic holsters on the market . I did some rapid fire target shooting on a silhouette target at 25 feet and tore that core target up . Love these Co2 revolvers.

[@AirgunAlley]

Nice shooting Christian. I’m sure the gun performed well, but also the shooter must be credited ;) I hope your words are heard and that a left handed holster comes out soon. I’ve actually yet to get me one…

[@christianshannon3943]

@@AirgunAlley I shot the 68 HDS this morning about twenty times . The Crosman Co2 cartridges won’t work in mine . The piercing pin won’t penetrate fully into the nipple. The Umarex cartridges work perfectly.

[@AirgunAlley]

@@christianshannon3943 wow that’s very interesting! I love these guns, but I must say there is so much inconsistency with them 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@christianshannon3943]

@@AirgunAlley I need to find a way to tighten the holding clamp that holds the HDS barrel tight . It doesn’t keep the breach closed tight enough. I might find a heavy duty rubber band to slide over the breach area to help create a better seal .

[@darylwizzard5832]

​@@christianshannon3943 try plummer tape or silicone grease

[@bones2177]

A trick I learned that helped me control my firing was when practicing with a revolver I would leave one bullet empty or even load one spent shell so I couldn't see which one was empty. Then spin and close without looking like Russian roulette style. Then when I fired the weapon when it fell upon the spent shell the gun shouldn't move. If it pulled up then I knew it was me pulling it because the gun didn't fire. This helped me gain better control. Of course most airguns don't operate like this but there are a few with revolver type loading mechanisms. Ive only done this with .38 and .357. As for your silhouette shooting my first reaction to your commentary is that the gun doesn't just "go a bit high" by itself. And I don't think you hit the same holes (although, it is possible) btw, if so, the same holes were missed first shots. You should slow down, relax, control your breathing and only fire when your ready. Typically between breaths. I like to fire after exhaling b4 inhaling. Only exception is if you're laying down suppressive fire. Just a suggestion from a quick observation. Btw, thanks for covering these guns I've been wondering what advantages the 68 would have over the 50, aside from the obvious bluntness. Would like to also see this comparison pre-modifications.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey man, thanks a lot for all this. One very valuable lesson!! I will be doing exactly what you said! There is so much going on when I film these videos - many don’t realize. So relaxing and controlled breathing are always the first out the window. That is indeed a crucial reminder. And I love the “russian roulette” technique - will apply that. Once again thank you, your comment is extremely helpful. And I always try to invite to trust the footage I show - more than the words I say. I don’t always have the chance to rewatch what I film, before commenting on it - so a lot of thing get missed on the spot. Hope that makes sense… Thanks again

[@jaysonwohnne]

great channel dude. informative and well edited/entertaining.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey thanks a lot my friend! Much appreciated and will try to keep that up

[@scottbeard9640]

Thanks for this- older video. I accidentally ordered two packs of 68 Cal Z Ram 9 mm bullets- I meant to get the 50 cal I don't have a 68 caliber gun yet but I'm thinking about maybe getting one. This video helps a ton!

[@dark96744]

Id love to see what the HDR50 can do with .50 cal steel ball bearings like the ones used for slingshot ammo

[@AirgunAlley]

Ask and you shall receive! Ahahaha HDR 50 [11 joules] • 50 cal (1/2 inch) steel balls HEAVY, CHEAP AND DAMAGING!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5eceKBrmbmIrdU

[@darylwizzard5832]

I bought some 50cal. slingshot balls, but they are too big for the gun won't fit

[@TnT99996]

Something is definitely wrong with the HDR50 as that isn’t 20js performance. My 11j standard version seems a lot more powerful than what you are currently using. I would get that looked at as it’s definitely not performing correctly for 20j i would guess around 7-9j maximum looks very weak

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey Dean, yes the 50 seemed to be a bit weaker this time around. The chrono test results were around 14 joules, and coconuts have been obliterated with it in the past, on an off and on basis. The HDR68 however is on a different level… in my opinion… Will indeed have a look at the 50. Thanks a lot man

[@silverandblackentertainment]

My 11 joules 50 cal shoots 476 fps

[@blakehicks7210]

@@silverandblackentertainment rubber?

[@lyonahjudah1549]

@@blakehicks7210 I'm sure... Unless he's shooting aluminum.

[@umiumi2638]

@@silverandblackentertainment how heavy is the round?

[@robbydiesel9345]

kick ass channel bro, just getting into these

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey man, thank you so much!!! Be careful, they’re a drug!! Super addictive 😎

[@alexsarmiento8476]

And Many thanks , for you work in youtube is amazing.

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank YOU! 🙏🏽

[@gastonlagaffe7793]

Excellent comparison video between HDR 50 and its big brother the HDR 68. I think the 2 models are interesting. Thank you from France. 🇫🇷

[@dhanil7470]

Hello Gaston, c'est cool de voir des français suivre Gian 🤗

[@gastonlagaffe7793]

@@dhanil7470 C'est la magie d'internet, connecté avec le monde entier.

[@AirgunAlley]

Oh guys merci beaucoup!!! I really appreciate your support mon amis!

[@rickybryan6393]

That is the most inventive approach to like and subscribe . I got U .

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahaha thanks a lot Ricky!

[@MirrorMan369]

Hey I've got the HDR 68 16 joules as it is more versatile than the undoubtedly prettier Alfa by Chiappa.Maybe next time.Keep up the fantastic job bro.Cheers (an ex expat)

[@jeffsmith50001]

Some nice hard hitting with the 68. But my 50 with HD24 conversion, tuned chambers and steel balls is a favorite. But the 68 could be on my shopping list, because of the coconut smash. Though my 50 goes through em clean as a whistle. Cheers mate.

[@AirgunAlley]

Haha! You know? My HDR must definitely be underperforming, I’ve obliterated many coconuts with it in the past. Dunno exactly what happened there. That said, and I’ll repeat it, the HDR 68 is on another level. You’ll know it when you shoot it! Let me know your thoughts if/when that happens… thanks Jeff!

[@AirgunAlley]

Question is… where are the 68 cal steel balls???

[@TOURSEKEV]

Nice test 👍 I watched in its entirety. You convinced me there might be a kit for hdr 68 when I can afford one.

[@AirgunAlley]

Then I better make better videos with your very cool creations, so that you can become rich! 😜

[@TOURSEKEV]

@@AirgunAlley 😆😄

[@LilliLia]

11:00 min - nice idea

[@MrDIAMONDCOR]

Weight of the ball effects performance. Heavy is NOT always best. In fact the heavy balls tend to do badly when comparing apples with apples on standard guns.

[@AirgunAlley]

Absolutely!

[@stuart2500]

Hi mate HDR 68 all the way got to admit it's the best one compared to my HDR and hds seems to have more power then my hds .tried them rap 4 first strikes against some targets and tins shot them from the hds and HDR 68 . They are very good better accuracy more speed and hit hard plus they fit nice and tight in the clip and in the hds . Hit alot harder then the hds in the HDR would recommend but you have loads of ammo about the same . Been looking at them bore sights for my guns as well have you tried putting Plummers tape round bores to fit the HDR 68 .keep up the good work mate

[@rickybryan6393]

We still got you , great vid . Comment .

[@AirgunAlley]

I appreciate that!

[@meggabitz]

Well, this settles it for me. HDR68 it is. Great content!! thank you!

[@homeagent]

It's very hard to be exact accurate with double action only so good shooting! The .68 might like a vert grip;-]

[@AirgunAlley]

Well thank you again my friend 😂

[@joe-2023]

Sorry, that wasn't a fair comparison the hdr .68 had a 10 joule advantage plus it had a bigger caliber and much more....

[@Spiritof48]

To be fair , if the two coconuts have the same shell thickness, the small one will be stronger. But awesome contest 👍

[@AirgunAlley]

Good point Rasmus, I just figured to put bigger vs bigger and smaller vs smaller. Science has never been my forte 😂

[@scottbeard9640]

Btw, that slow mo blow out looked awesome!

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahaha it does. Didn’t feel awesome at the time, but you’re right, looks cool haha!

[@scottbeard9640]

@@AirgunAlley Ha yes I know exactly what you mean, I've had seals blowout similar to that happen, more than once. A very sad day!

[@Emiliocab47]

It would have been good to try and do a range test also

[@rick31869]

curious about something my brother , for under 15 bucks u can get a 100 solid lead 50 cal balls used for 50 black powder rifles , you should try them .now ,find a drill bit thats close to 68 cal , drill in wood or metal ,aluminum ,plastic what ever , first cut the block in half , then use vice grips to hold together and drill yo hole.fill with steel bb's and hot glue from hot glue gun , make your own ammo .now when i get mine ,ill look into making darts etc for it also .maybe use sockets standard and or and metric to pour hot lead or wax or plastic etc into sockets and when cooled push em out . you got ,6 sided and 8 ,8ples types to get effect your looking for ,you could put steel bb's for the weight ,use powdered copper ,steel ,metals with wax or hot glue to make fragmentation rounds . you can order 50 cal ammo made with hardened steel points and all types of stuff . you could get lee reloaders to make a mold for 50 and 68 cal any design you want . i plan on getting a remote line and bottle also for my 68 cal ,its def a beast at 30 joules . thank you for this awesome video brother !!! really f#$$-ing enjoyed it !!!!!

[@AirgunAlley]

Bro you’re a genius! I’ll let you keep creating and experimenting, then the day you decide to go commercial, send over some of your products and I’ll make videos about them. Sound like a plan?? :)

[@syn8etikos]

I just wanted to let you know that, on account of your test results, I just ordered the HDR68 (16J) through the Wicked Store in France. Oww man, I can't wait to get it into my hands! Thanks again for the great video!

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank you for trusting my judgment and super congrats!! You will LOVE IT!! But let us know your thoughts :)

[@syn8etikos]

@@AirgunAlley Just got email from the Wicked Store in France that my order is on its way, so I should have it (in Greece) in a few days. I also plan to try some ammo from the Cododo shop (in Italy). From what I gathered through their website, they basically have two kinds of ammo for the HDR68 (16J): the "45 ACP TIP Pellets", which you've reviewed in a recent video (great stuff, btw! These little devils seems to be the post powerful ammo for the HDR68 that's currently available on the market!), and their own (made by Cododo) cal 68 "devastators". Have you perhaps tried the latter as well?

[@hyperboreanorangutan1247]

@@syn8etikos Καλησπέρα φίλε , μπορείς να μου δώσεις ινστα ή τίποτα ώστε να σε ρωτήσω μερικά πράγματα σχετικά με το πιστόλι;

[@MihaiLeonardoNiculescu]

Beware of CO2 capsules and hot temperatures, you wouldn't want to lose your fingers over something like this. P.S. Loved the Like, Subscribe, Bell mini game

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahaaa thanks for that! I’m glad I learned to move them back in the air conditioning before July/August came! Thank you very much Mihai!!

[@alexsarmiento8476]

Grettings from México, a question , anny body booster the canon whit steel tube kit or only put the power incremento kit, for the transition 7.5 or 11 joules to 30 joles ??? I need twisce kit or only power kit and leave the cannon same of original build, Manny thanks.

[@AirgunAlley]

Have you watched channels like Rune Rebel? He makes great tutorials for these kind of mods…

[@marccatarusha1789]

Hi, thanks for your videos. Attending to your own results in thesse tests, the hdr 50 is not 20 j but 14 j, and the hdr 68 is not 30 j but 22 j. You only have to use the formula e=1/2m*v2... On the other hand, I personaly prefer tests using only 'serious' ammo, like devastator... But I understand why You use other ammo. Best wishes from Girona - Catalonia

[@AirgunAlley]

Hi Marc, thank you! Indeed those were the measurements during these tests. I think the “20” and “30” joules are referred to the average max power these modifications perform. You know, Portbou is one of my favorite places in the world!

[@user-wk6qb6tb6t]

I'd be very curious to see what the outcome would be with an hdr50 with hd24 tuning barrel and extension vs the hdr60, since they'd have roughly the same barrel length and the hdr50 should gain some power from the modification

[@bongkaos5519]

Both win!! I have fun modding, testing and shooting each. (plus a few others) Airgun fun is just that..... FUN. Stay safe and shoot straight. Thanks for another educational and entertaining video.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahaha yes you are absolutely right my friend! Sometimes my competitive side takes out the worst of me. Fun is the key word. Always. Thank you once again for your support!!

[@FlushingStatic]

I use the like button to tell me what videos ive watched , this video was made last year, are there any stronger non lethals out now? After seeing the byrna ad i started looking at reviews which braught me to umirex cuz they are stronger, i want to get the strongest one and the strongest ammo also pepper balls. Also i live in NYC, a place where bb guns are illigal so im not even sure some sites will ship em to me.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey man, thanks for watching and you should have a look at my latest videos. I’m also coming out with some brand new very powerful air guns. It’s hard to keep up with the fast technology advance in the airgun world. You should try calling the shops directly and see if they deliver to you. Sometimes Amazon or other online retailers are a bit over-precaution…

[@fleetwheelmac6978]

Can't believe you haven't drained the coconut before the test. That was so much good coconut water that got wasted.

[@AirgunAlley]

Are you kidding me?? That’s the best part! It’s not a waste, it’s an awesome spectacle! Makes the video

[@christianshannon3943]

I got two of each and love both of those .

[@WizardClipAudio]

I like how the coconut, turned around and 🤮 barfed, like it was disgusted with the carnage inflicted on it, by the HDR68. 😂

[@AirgunAlley]

Poor coconuts, I'll probably come back as one in my next life. Karma!

[@WizardClipAudio]

@@AirgunAlley 😂

[@joemalski8374]

Great video first off.your 50 seems to be weak.bye 10+jouls.....ZGood job on 68 but to be fair need get 50 jouls up?

[@AirgunAlley]

Hi Joe, yes the 50 seems to be weaker than it should. The power at the chrono test was around 14 joules. But the 68 is just on a different level. Have you got one yet?

[@joemalski8374]

@@AirgunAlley no fsc.my 50 is at 30+and fsc 40+ .hpa 50 is unreal threw coconut both sides aluminum and steel rounds

[@rafael.frigori]

@@joemalski8374 do you use standard barrel? Is yours hpa at 850 psi or 1100 psi? Thanks

[@joemalski8374]

1100 40jouls.but real power comes using 90 gr co2.anazing built using mcs valves.all modes and my own.@@rafael.frigori

[@earthenscience]

According to my calculations, you are not getting the joules advertised from your suppliers. The HDR50 comes in around 15 joules and the HDR68 at 21. What projectiles do you recommend to get the joules as advertised?

[@AirgunAlley]

The higher joules is only because I shoot in the extreme heat, as you know the CO2 is highly affected by temperature. On your other comment regarding accuracy, well, you’re pulling out a 2 year old video. At the time I didn’t realize how inaccurate the HDR50 is. Watch more of my most recent videos and you’ll see a much different picture

[@arjaropelinen8463]

68cal and 30j vs 50 cal and 20 j are not directly comparable. It's quite clear, that 68cal with 30j makes worse damage.

[@AirgunAlley]

Indeed Arja, it’s more like a big brother vs little brother contest. Also the HDR 50 did not perform very well in this video. It’s usually a lot more powerful… not sure what happened there

[@antonsantiago2124]

I watched and your video is automatically subtitled and here is my friend

[@AirgunAlley]

Aaaah et alor tres tres bien!!

[@Ianator73]

I couldn't reply sooner. That was such a fun video. Can't get enough watching those HDR mods 👍🏼 See you next week💯

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank you Ian! Hope you had a nice weekend, I hear it got pretty warm around there - stay hydrated and see you next week! 😎🙋🏻‍♂️

[@sandboxhero7587]

What happens if we already subscribed, hit the notification and clicked the like before you shot your rounds? :) Bonjour from Canada

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahahaha in that case you win a huge MERCI BEAUCOUP from me and my family 😊😊🙌🏼

[@RafaelLourenco2004]

Hi! Thank you for the great video! I am looking to get one of these guns and I read that some people said that the HDR 68 feels worse and cheap compared to the HDR 50. Could you please tell me your opinion on this? Thank you!🙂

[@AirgunAlley]

Hi Rafael! In my opinion…. Absolutely not!! Yes it’s a lot lighter, but not cheaper! Lighter for me is a good thing. Also because it’s huge. If they made it like the HDR 50 it would be too heavy. I think the HDR 68 is on a complete higher level compared to the 50. Go for the 16 joules if you can…

[@RafaelLourenco2004]

@@AirgunAlley Thank you so much for replying! Then I will go for the Umarex HDR 68 16J! I wish you all the best!😀

[@mogamedfakier504]

Thanks for the interesting comparison video really disappointed to seeing the HDR 50 perform so weak, my one with valve block removed ripped right through watermelon using devastator rounds but maybe size does matter 👍

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey Mogamed! Yes I also must say that this HDR50 is feeling a little weaker than usual. I noticed afterwords. I’ve had some great results in the past. Regardless, that HDR68 I tell you! Thank you again my friend!

[@AlansView-g1v]

The coconut 🥥🌴 that was hit with the HDR68 had a brutal end; it was puking after every headshot/nutshot? 🤔 Anyhow, the HDR68 won in my opinion.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahaha it sure did! 😂 Absolutely, I’m with you 100%

[@jonnymak1079]

What about a 68 ,16 joule and devidtators.. i cant compare cause yours is 30 :(

[@allenwang7906]

Thank you very much, it's a Very good video, BUT please allow me to add something here... Please 🙏 NEVER trust other people's joules calculations, you should have calculated them all by yourself, always... Here are MORE accurate joule calculation results for everyone : HDR50 caliber 50 (diameter 12.7 mm), 2.5 gram, 352 fps (average) = joule: 14.39 Joules ! (Kinetic energy joules 11.3588 J/cm2) HDR68 caliber 68 (diameter 17.27 mm), 6.8 gram, 263 fps (average) = joule: 21.85 Joules ! (Kinetic energy joules: 9.3265 J/cm2)

[@Patrick-mh5np]

Miami I like the content of most of your videos, but I am afraid you are mistaken here. It is not necessarily about the hardness of the two shells being different as I agree the “ hardness” of the two is probably similar. Provided of course one is not green and the other is ancient and ready to crack. No, the difference lies in the fact that the larger coconut has greater surface area in terms of diameter, or inches that make it weaker and more vulnerable to crack that a smaller more compact, hence stronger surface area. It comes down to the math of it.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hmmmm… well, thanks for the explanation! And what about these coconuts I just released ;) New! AEA BinTac MEGALODON • Pump Action MAX POWER kzbin.info/www/bejne/d6qqZp2nraxgqMU

[@karkosgiehex]

6:32 Hmm... something about Wyatt Earp and turning somebody's head into a canoe?

[@homeagent]

An other enjoyable video! I always enjoy the trick editing! I have found that (?)brand of ammo to be less than tight bore fitting but i didn't know of the S type & wonder if they fit better.

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey Damon, thanks a lot! Yes they are a bit loose in the HDR68 mag. Most of the slugs I have, do not fit tightly. The S-type are the same size as the regular (Acil Selling) brand ammo. I’m sure that as time goes by, there will be more and more great new slugs for this revolver.

[@whistlinginthewind4141]

Now I'm impressed!

[@AirgunAlley]

Finally! Haha

[@patrickhdsn]

How do the piercing/inlet valve assemblies hold up? I've had a couple of these but the airsoft version (H8R, looks nearly identical to the HD 50) and the threaded retaining ring holding the piercing seal failed in both. Which sucks because otherwise it's a great pistol. The problem seems to be that the rings are made of some kind of super soft metal and deform/split. I wonder if the cartridge assembly from an HD 50 could be retrofitted into a H8R? It looks more durable 🤔

[@slingshotwarrrior8105]

Awesome shooting test bro! I just ordered an HDR-68!

[@AirgunAlley]

I appreciate it man! Well done, you’re gonna love it. Will keep an eye out for your video…

[@slingshotwarrrior8105]

@@AirgunAlley thanks bro

[@techromancerzero2709]

I think you might be misunderstanding the difference between the regular rubber steel balls and the S-Type. The regular ones do not have an extra sprinkling of metal on the surface. It's more like the other way around. Both are made of steel powder mixed with a synthetic rubber compound. The only difference is that the S type has an extra coating of rubber around them so that there is less friction moving down the barrel. The metal you see is not on the surface, it is what they both look like all the way through. I think if you cut both of them in half you would see that. I could be wrong but this is to the best of my knowledge.

[@AirgunAlley]

From the maker: There is almost no difference between the weight of Regular and S-Type products. But on one side, the surface of the regular rounds are mixed with some extra metal dust after the production - our customers usually like this shape and the feeling of touching them. On the other side, S-Type balls are produced with a special Italian mould and even though there is not a steel core, the steel amount increases direction to the center of the balls. These are not mixed with extra metal dust, in this way, the balls slide better with the rubbery surface.

[@techromancerzero2709]

@@AirgunAlley I guess I was right about the lower friction, but I was wrong about everything else. I stand humbly corrected. Interesting that the density of steel increases towards the centre. I would never use the regular rounds, just because the extra steel on the surface could not be good for wear and tear on the interior of the barrels.

[@AirgunAlley]

@@techromancerzero2709 you made a good point and analysis! And you’re right, the smooth ones actually work better all around. They’re great projectiles, I love that there are 100 in a box!

[@matteobardella6634]

Ciao grande ! Sempre ottimi video... Cmq io ho 2 HDR 50 umarex e sono molto potenti. Ma secondo te l' HDR 68 è più potente??

[@AirgunAlley]

Ciao Matteo! Grazie mille carissimo! Si, per me l’HDR 68 è su un altro livello. In più ha il calibro 68 che spacca tutto. Modificata diventa un cannone. Per carità, tutto rispetto per la 50, ma prova la 68 e vedrai haha

[@matteobardella6634]

@@AirgunAlley ok grande... La proverò, cmq HDR 50 umarex se tu la provi con i nuovi proiettili Italiani round Rocket in ABS polimerico da armi è molto molto più performante . Ora cmq sto x prendermi la nuova pistola italiana alfa della chiappa firearms , a 12.7 joule, e credimi molto tanta tanta roba come potenza!!.sempre in calibro 50..

[@Rover-gg8jj]

is 7,5 J also effectiv for homedefense if you put only pepperballs in the magazine?

[@AirgunAlley]

I think with pepperballs you can’t go wrong! Use rubber-steel balls for fun, but I always keep a magazine loaded with pepperballs, just in case!

[@rickybryan6393]

Who needs ballistic gel when you got Styrofoam .

[@AirgunAlley]

Riiiight!! But now I use ballistic gel ahahaha

[@RafaelLourenco2004]

Thanks!😀

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank YOU Rafael!! Truly appreciate the donation!! Wonderful

[@RafaelLourenco2004]

​@@AirgunAlley I know it's not much, but I hope it helps!! Thank you for the hard work and the amazing videos!!😀👍

[@AirgunAlley]

You kidding! It helps a lot!! Thank you again, and it’s my pleasure

[@peyugo2510]

Wich HDR gun has more posibilities to be modified the most raising its joules ?

[@AirgunAlley]

I think most T4E guns can be brought up to around 30+ joules. The HDR 68 obviously has the bigger caliber which makes a lot of difference. With the same joules mod, the 68 is just on another level. I would always go with the 68

[@georgeaura]

I need to link up with you one day I'm not far from Miami

[@AirgunAlley]

Sound good! Where in the gunshine state are you?

[@georgeaura]

@@AirgunAlley Melbourne FL

[@konaboss83]

Already been a subscriber for a couple 3 weeks or so now but I did give this one a like hey it’s the least we can do

[@AirgunAlley]

Thanks so much Cameron, much appreciated man!

[@Derekfacha]

Dieseling increase the power of them?

[@jonlucas5521]

Thanks for this comparison. You made up my mind which one I am going to get The .68 looks like it is on the cusp of real effectiveness, especially with some of the real bullet ammo that is becoming available. Do you know of a parts supplier that can provide a "reducer" replacement?

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank you Jon, happy I could help. And indeed great choice on going with the .68. If you can, I would try getting the 16j version - should be enough power. As for parts I can recommend the one and only homedefence-24.com Best of luck!

[@bongkaos5519]

Funny thing about bore sight lasers.. They usually need calibration before used to calibrate..... Your open sight shots were better grouping.

[@AirgunAlley]

Haha thank you, but we must accredit that to the shiny white sights that the HDR68 has. They help a lot!

[@bongkaos5519]

Indeed my friend. The white does help a lot for the sight picture... Seems better than a laser bouncing around just my opinion. Then again, night time is where the laser rules with a steady shot.

[@TheEric8866]

Hi, Which one would you recommend for home self defense?

[@AirgunAlley]

I say the HDR68! It has a stronger punch and a bigger caliber, which I think is more effective when hitting someone on the head

[@mecanomy]

I enjoyed watching.. another good video.

[@AirgunAlley]

I enjoy reading another very kind comment 🙏🏽 thank you my friend!

[@HuzpazA]

How many shots are you getting from a co2 with the 68? I get 12 good ones with my 50, it has the rocketkey pin and 11j valve with the block removed. I'm waiting for the 16j 68cal to be available in the US, hopefully.

[@AirgunAlley]

Oh man I’m also really hoping they release the 16j in the US! You know, I change cartridge every one or two rounds, depending on the test. So I’ve shot at least 10 with no problem with the 30j mod one. Next video I want to do is HDR68 7,5 vs HDR68 30j - we’ll be seeing how many shots they each get!

[@sftatat]

Lets face it if you had been testing a 68 tuned at 20j vs a 50 cal tuned to 30j it would have been a clear win to the 50 cal .

[@georgeaura]

I think as you turn the BoreSighter into the barrel it spreads the tip to tighten into the barrel atleast that's how mine has worked with all my airguns

[@AirgunAlley]

Very true. But in this case the tip has to be twisted outside of the barrel, as there is no grip inside. I think with a rifled barrel you can get it nice and tight…

[@nicholasselvaggi54]

09:17 Coconut 🥥 got hit so hard it threw up. 😁

[@HighGodTheHighest]

Does the laser/light from mcs fit the hdr 68?

[@AirgunAlley]

Yessir! It fits most rails…

[@Roman-bg8zb]

The test is invalid as they are not tuned to the same power! Bring the HDR .50 to 30 joules and do a comparison. I have a 30 joule HDR .50 with 2.6g version of the devastator and it does the same damage as your .68 but I have more shots. I'll stick with the HDR .50!

[@Tyler-t8e]

how did you get it to 30 joules? did you buy it that way?

[@Roman-bg8zb]

@@Tyler-t8e no, I took out the valve block to increase the volume of the valve and also enlarged the hole between the valve and the CO2 chamber.

[@PaoloFraniTroutandOutdoor]

Mitico!! 👍👍 Purtroppo qui in Italia la potenza di entrambe è limitata a 7,5j in libera vendita... Diventando così marcatori da paintball ma con rubber ball leggeri mancano in precisione, con quelli pesanti non hai spinta. Restano comunque armi divertentissime per scoppiare lattine e pomodori!! 🤣🤣👍👍

[@AirgunAlley]

Grande Paolo!! Hahaha per scoppiare lattine…. al rallentatore! Immaginavo che in Italia i limiti erano alti (o bassi!) Cmq la versione 7,5j della HDR68 secondo me è assai più potente delle altre armi T4E, però si, come dici tu… per giocare

[@bongkaos5519]

Just found some "real" 9mm tip TR50 And 308 HDS68 tipped ammo on ebay. Maybe this is review worthy? Seems right up your alley😁

[@AirgunAlley]

Jahahahahahaha I’m sure it’ll be up my Alley 😎 send me a link when you can

[@ckarcher4504]

interesting video, i watched many of yours. 👍

[@AirgunAlley]

Thanks a lot CK!

[@Jessie_james1985]

lol dude its not the lazer not once did you have a steady aim lol good video tho i think i want the .50 cal

[@AirgunAlley]

Hahahaha!!! I know 😞

[@Mishakol1290]

Do you have any tips on the ppq m2 t4e airsoft pistol to increase fps and make it more defense worthy? Thanks your videos are great!

[@ruiyurra4996]

I’d like to know too

[@sven471111]

Hello my friend.Great test as always.Dont forget that the HDR50 stock barrel is really shit.The bore is big what makes losses and also its not fitting tight in the gun whats bad for the accuracy also.Was just my experience what I had with my HDR50. 8:08 The funny thing...the "head" seems to love the HDR50 because the "exit wound" looks like a heart.

[@AirgunAlley]

That is very true about the barrel (and it’s also a lot shorter) my dear Sven! And yesss I noticed it only after! I am surrounded by hearts, my pitbull’s nose is shaped like a heart, my daughter has a birthmark shaped like a heart. I now also shoot hearts hahaha ❤️&✌🏽

[@sven471111]

@@AirgunAlley in this case you are really a blessed guy.probably god loves you,you also came back healthy from all the war zones you have been with your work. My stock barrel I could move 1mm,don't know what's in inches,0.xx or so,in each direction.on 30 feet that made up to 3- 4" mistake on the 🎯.the tuning barrel is much better,but also the ammo is a big source of fails.some roundballs are more eggs than roundballs and fly terrible.best seems to be aluminum balls or devastator-style ammo.anyway,to hit a head on 30 feet is the main target for these guns in my opinion.

[@wuasdhans4164]

Sooo where do i get this laser for my hdr 50? Haha

[@t2bkk1]

It is not available in Bangkok, so it's very interesting airgun. From t2bkk channel in Bangkok Thailand

[@AirgunAlley]

Sawasdee Kap my friend🙏🏽

[@samfletcher93]

How many shots per CO2 are you getting roughly with each gun in their modified state?

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey man sorry so late! I would day not more than two magazines… with full power

[@DJWOLFLIVE]

Wow he tore the rim off that coconut

[@AirgunAlley]

🙌🏼

[@wc1630]

Hola. Cuantos joules tiene el hdr 50 y el 68 que usaste en la prueba ? El HDR 50 esta modificado o con 11 joules original ?

[@TBButtSmoothy]

HDR50 con 20J

[@sj460162]

How come the longer barrel gun has less fps but does more damage?

[@AirgunAlley]

Because it has a much bigger caliber and heavier projectiles :)

[@sj460162]

@@AirgunAlley ok thankyou.

[@travisnelson9247]

Do you know nod the rubber steel d shells work better from the HDR68 than they do from the HDS? Got and HDR68 on the way.

[@AirgunAlley]

You’re not the first person to mention this. I’m glad they finally work somewhere! But the rubber-steel S-type balls by the same company are top, in my opinion…

[@travisnelson9247]

@@AirgunAlley I got those for my Walther. I like them much better than the glow in the dark ones. Didnt like the hard plastic riot balls.

[@pauloalves797]

maravilha der revolver hdr 6

[@baronsilverbaron757]

When you mentioned they were not standard I couldn't see the point of the video.

[@AirgunAlley]

And I’m trying to figure out the point of your comment. Both guns had the restrictors removed. So they each had the same modification done. Thus the scale of the modification is identical. If that’s what you meant.

[@thelonewolf01978]

I already subscribe, like and punch the bell, as a ex military I have one advice, posture is one key to properly shoot and I am very sorry to say but you ain't got the right one specially with an accurate laser tune properly. No disrespect to you

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey Etienne, thank you very much for clicking all the right buttons and also for the constructive criticism, which I much appreciate! You know, I shot a (air)gun for the first time in my life, less than one year ago. I’m learning everything through this channel! Posture is definitely something I never explored, so I appreciate your input - I’ll be doing my homework!

[@thelonewolf01978]

@@AirgunAlley Hi there, posture a d breathing and with the amount of bullet you fired in your alley, you'll be a pro in no time 😉 Me I do it inside my apartment it's fun until my neighbors start knocking on wall 🙃

[@jungleghostsurvival]

Shoot center mass

[@darylwizzard5832]

I was exactly wondering which is better tp50 faster fps.? or 68 caliber more force.? I wonder watch the video now to find out.

[@AirgunAlley]

😎🙌🏼

[@BigDave-u2i]

Oh subscribed to you and have like as hit the bell 👍👏👏

[@AirgunAlley]

Thank you very much for that sir! And welcome to the channel!!

[@jimwebevstr4128]

,do these fire aluminum or steel pellets?

[@AirgunAlley]

Hey Jim, these fire a whole variety of projectiles. There are both aluminum and steel balls as well as plastic/steel, rubber/steel etc. Finally they don’t shoot pellets so much (although I tried once, video link here below) as their calibers are pretty big…. kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4nbmHWjaLetmrM

[@konaboss83]

Does someone sell the upgraded hdr68 or do we gotta buy em stock then send em off for the upgrade?

[@AirgunAlley]

At the moment, in the US, is seems that you’ll have to buy the stock version and then send it for an upgrade (or do it yourself)… keep an eye out on stores like Action Village paintball - they’re well known for generally selling modified markers

[@pauloalves797]

hdr 68 esprendido revolver muito lindo er forter

[@AirgunAlley]

100% 😎🤠🙌🏼

[@bullseye1.77]

Awesome

[@AirgunAlley]

🙌🏼