F-16 VS FIRST JET FIGHTERS - How Many Does It Take? - WAR THUNDER

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[@FryedFish]

Pretty interesting to see that once their missiles ran out, so did their skill

[@dewayto234xd9]

Lol

[@Donut833]

I won’t say that they had no skill, but at the same time the F16 has a radar gun sight man. It can be iffy with a slippery opponent but I find it to be accurate enough. Kinda disappointing.

[@neopolitan4121]

SO TRUE

[@matthewshadle7131]

I know how to evade missiles with an me262. It’s tricky but possible

[@MberEnder]

I actually got a few kills with my gun. The problem is that the F-16 only has like 600 rounds, so the cannon runs out faster than the missiles.

[@Zero_2558]

Funny enough the first F16 that got taken out was by a kikka which had much worse firepower then a Me262 let alone F16, max respect for that Japanese pilot

[@Dave-_-]

in an original 262 it'd be still harder to hit because kikka's type 5 cannons HEF-T round goes 920m/s when any round from MK 108 goes only 500m/s. That's why japanese 30mm's are slower and don't have minengeschoß but are actually better

[@ivanfromtheeast4709]

@@Dave-_- that’s why I’d imagine we’d see a huge difference vs f80 or f84

[@FRFFW]

Japanese air target did a better job than the german one

[@theforzagamer3880]

The P80 Shooting Star and Gloster Meteor would’ve been nice to see in this

[@KMZX_700]

mmhmm

[@adriencoudert1083]

And P-59s

[@ivanfromtheeast4709]

I think if the first match was p80s they would’ve won. Looked like the low velocity of the German guns let them down quite a bit

[@sabrinaboisvert1141]

@@ivanfromtheeast4709 they have Mk 103's which is higher velocity than 50cal, same with Mg 151 basically

[@ivanfromtheeast4709]

@@sabrinaboisvert1141 the mk108 fires with a muzzle velocity of 1,770 fps while the m2 fires at 2,910 fps so not only is the muzzle velocity faster it also has less drag

[@Walking654]

Bro the F-16 pilot in the gold plane literally just lowered and let his gear fly off on multiple occasions during landing and takeoff 💀

[@Tanknuggets217]

That dude just spammed missles. Terrible player

[@kaljamaistuuperjantaisin]

​@@Tanknuggets217you don't even probably have tier 5 aircraft unlocked💀

[@bipbap5079]

​@@Tanknuggets217Itd be the best strategy here, its not bad skill, its just not being dumb

[@slavicgondola1817]

10:59 of course it’s a cracked out kika player that made that hell of a shot. Great video 🤙🏻

[@sandystockmon8561]

fun fact, the head of the luftwaffe towards the end of the war actually used the 262 and mainly used it as an interceptor due to its exceptional speed compaired to bombers and the guns that were used on it, including the 50mm anti armor gun that could pritty much break a wing before you could say "bandits" if you had good aim.

[@I_am_not_a_dog]

The 262 variant which carried the 50mm cannon (the Me 262 A-1a/U4) had 2 built. As far as I am aware, none were used operationally, and if they were, I highly doubt they ever would have hit anything. 262 pilots lamented their closing speeds with enemy bombers, as it gave them such a small window to shoot that it led to far fewer kills than one might expect. Knowing this, I can’t even imagine how difficult it would have been for pilots to use the 50mm. Case-in-point: If it worked as well, some version of it would’ve seen use post-war. The closest we got to it was the single 37mm cannon on the MiG-9 and MiG-15, which was specifically intended for taking down US strategic bombers. It was so difficult to use that pilots whom were exceptionally skilled with it in-training were awarded a special title, “Sniper Pilot.”

[@vasiliymedvedev1532]

​@mfil92 sniper pilot class qualification was created in 1971 so it definitely had nothing to do mig 9

[@danielszmit2073]

the first F16 player just spammed missiles, his aim with the cannon was honestly pretty terrible, not a particularly interesting battle to watch

[@brentonwinslow9490]

Both rounds had shit aim

[@bolognaguy3100]

ok 👌

[@MberEnder]

That's kind of the point. The F-16 isn't just faster and more agile than a Me 262, it also has much better weapons. And yes, I did get kills with the gun. The F-16 only has like 600 rounds of 20mil, so it runs out quickly. And if you're questioning my skill, I will gladly 1v1 you F-16 vs. F-16.

[@Westwoodshadowgaming]

@@MberEnder You're like "fight me if you doubt my skill" i love it!

[@caralho5237]

​@@Westwoodshadowgaming imagine if he just loses tho

[@Nativeat1YT]

Aim 9L and Aim7M was essentially bullying the poor 262s lol, Great Video.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thanks Native!

[@ace_maker3492]

The 7ms couldn’t get enough signal to launch, I kept trying to launch the 7ms the entire time but the only time I got enough signal was in that head on

[@Nativeat1YT]

@Ace_Maker Who need stealth when you have the ground lol

[@ace_maker3492]

They werent even low lol, they just refused to get signal for launch, I think it might have been speed difference

[@duprontifyer3670]

Hi I love your content as a war thunder player myself I love to see these fun videos it really makes my day

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you and good to hear!

[@tinymustacheman9631]

It's all shits and giggles until somebody giggles and shits

[@jeager555]

The Kikka is a Japanese varient of the Me 262, not the exact same but simular

[@skiwari2579]

F16 try not to use missile challenge (impossible)

[@LogI_Bear]

Germany never suffers!

[@dewayto234xd9]

WTF🔥🔥🔥⁉️⁉️

[@Phoenix44th]

Ja, Deutschland ist am besten

[@TITANosaurus7042]

@@dewayto234xd9 what

[@heisenburger1899]

@@Phoenix44th this is nazi Germany 💀

[@hansthesoldier8700]

10:57 yay im on screen :D

[@787sarecool]

6:25 That is some extreme luck to not crash. If it was me I would be like “My time has come” 😂

[@mystlcgreatness]

The F-16s have some cool camouflages

[@sharinillias]

Why no one using the Me-262 C2b?? Gives a little edge for the dogfights against modern jets. Would love to see a C2b engaging.

[@darthnick1516]

Yea well the boosters would help but only a little. Also i only saw the a1 and the squadron one , so i guess that's what they had to use.

[@APerson-fj6yx]

This reminded me of how I, a P-400, shot down 1 F-16, 3 MiG 29s, and 2 MiG 21s *this was in separate servers in 2 separate days* Guess that’s what happens when you play too much Microsoft flight sim

[@Cyanfox3006]

In first round there was literally no chance for 262s unless the pilot us stupid. You just shoot your missiles, go to space, rearm, repeat. Big respect to the Kikka pilot.

[@jessediego4096]

Mig 29s vs Me 262s next time

[@no-ct2ku]

It's so easy to dogfight 4th gen jets in 1st or 2nd gen jets. You have a smaller turn radius because you are slower when at max speed.

[@di5ea5eairsoft6]

Thats y top jets dont engage in dogfights

[@cideltacommand7169]

@@di5ea5eairsoft6 yeah lol, they just use their burst in a boom and zoom then escape the enemies range before they turn

[@adamklasa7270]

I like so much your content:) I would like to see, more of the historical recreations, maybe battle of Łuck, battle of Hannut or battle of Falaise? The war in Poland (1939) would be very cool, but we don,t have to much Polisch vehicles (like PZL-11, TKS, Karaś, Łoś, 7TP, Wz.34)

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

More historical recreations to come:)

[@adamklasa7270]

Thanks:)

[@aapopesonen2902]

Video idea: Slowest plane vs the fastest. This would probably be PO-2 vs F-104.

[@sanya1216]

Mig 29 is faster than f104

[@KMZX_700]

New title - F-16 vs. ME-262. _*yeah, the title is slightly ocd triggering_ but overall great vid.

[@samc6231]

A very ironic ending, considering that was how the allies used to take out me262's back in the day

[@Thatguytigers]

6:21 My brain: hes dead My heart: hes dead My anxiety:💀 The pilot's radio: Freeebirdd!!!

[@Relatable_444]

I ran into one of the Me 626 jet fighters while playing (it was fine art expert)

[@Rezin8Gaming]

Would love to see a Me-262 vs P-51 video

[@way9895]

How every uptier feels

[@Add12pack]

I wanna see the best turning non-biplane the German flying wing vs f-16's with guns only. It's the ho 229? Something like that can't remember. Edit I guessed it right!

[@Lolzy3014]

I think its the me 267

[@TinyBearTim]

@@Lolzy3014it’s 229

[@Lolzy3014]

@@TinyBearTim ah, thanks

[@Noel100HUN]

as we can see in the video no missile=no skill

[@professionalretard9364]

It is the fastest aircraft weapon. 6k rpm is unmatched

[@waldek7772]

russian GSH-6-23 claims to have 8000rpm

[@damian_groovy_boys_drummer_man]

Do they have proof to back that claim up

[@05-1scpfoundation5]

The golden F-16 pilot was handing out freedom 😂

[@bobbob646]

Seeing everything get shot by the missiles is just boring

[@Lexicon-ff6or]

Time traveler: moves a chair The timeline:

[@fantalover420]

It went by like we were standing still!

[@silentact1]

Can you please do a B17 Flying Fortress formation vs ME 262’s? Or a Royal Navy clash vs the Kriegsmarine?

[@flappy3635]

b17 one would be awsome

[@rudatkatzn9171]

Honestly, while I find it cool to do these vs matches, the first round was obvious. The 262 can't climb. It's engines are atrociously bad (in RB) and with the enemy getting it's missiles back every few seconds, not a chance

[@Tswa567]

Agreed, they basically just could and did sit at long range/high altitude and spam mach 4 missiles against a trans-sonic jet. Wouldn’t be different if it was bi planes or even Mig15s

[@tristenakintomide9091]

F-5 VS Mig-23 or F-4 VS Mig-21 would be an excellent video

[@kriptic626]

Do Abrams against prop planes

[@shoya3345]

damn i really like this type of content

[@Riftz-I]

get new 262 pilots who actually have brains

[@thefew.theproud.19Kilo]

11:00 what a freakin shot.

[@pieterdeliho1492]

Would love to be in a F-16AJ if there's another battle like this

[@araara_seraph6335]

This was fun to do even tho I died most the time xD

[@codenamecrusade1083]

Sad the Meteor didn't get to fight there

[@madmonsterbbb9131]

6:24 its like mere millimeters from crashing

[@maxmachac9756]

Damn, a team full of pilots that cant aim

[@IamVF301]

The F-16A (warthunder one) isn’t in service anymore as to my knowledge lol (still great video)

[@meepy2739]

I love how there's a kikka

[@horndog252]

I'm ngl, great video, I think I had a stroke listening to the first 10 seconds of the video

[@XDthedevilsrejectsXD]

Wow talk about a hopeless fight

[@ABPYAB]

Oye como consejo creo que sería buena idea que en una esquina pongas a tiempo real el restante de vehículos en cada equipo :V

[@T-Gameing]

we need more plane vs plane videos

[@petersmythe6462]

"All they need to cripple the fighter" Yeah I would say an F-16 is probably gonna die from average 2-3 30mm hits.

[@akbk7160]

Anyone know when the dev server will be open again?

[@dragonbladem6899]

Can you do a swarm of 1st Gen Fighters vs 4th Gen Fighters

[@DucksSpys]

Hmm interesting to see that their missiles are their skill and life.

[@AmarettoTheFurry]

song during 3:40? Sounds really good. nvm, Shazam finally worked.

[@gt95br67]

I see a me 262 from Brazil

[@legendcharizard1476]

The first part is just outright boring. Missile spam all the way, and 2nd round shows that pretty well after the two F-16s expended all their missiles.

[@Master_Gabe_Gaming]

Hi muffin…

[@ATBatmanMALS31]

I mean... if you had Smigol, I think he's proven the answer is "1".

[@Fxne_wrxld]

Funny that when their missiles ran out they have no skill

[@roblox_lover446]

W intro

[@haydeneaton5113]

Minor skill issue with the F 16 pilots... kind of disappointing

[@ghostly6175]

Had the speed, climb rate, and weapon advantage and performed terribly. Could have just been because of the way it was edited but once they ran out of missiles they were terrible at dogfighting, just proves even some top tier players have as much skill as new players

[@Looscannon94]

Why would you bring in the ME262 with the 50mm cannon? Seems like the worst option for this.

[@novaadityamr1724]

Just flashing in my head, will be prop plane or Me 262 dodge more missile if they had missile detection thing? Because what I watch is they mostly didn't know if they got locked.

[@TinyBearTim]

No

[@warsuitgaming8692]

unless they had chaff, an RWR would be useless to them

[@kinmoto6096]

Day 11 : OTOMATIC vs WII planes

[@starwarsgeek1565S1]

do MiGs vs later MiGs pls

[@katze3659]

"Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby"

[@f0xbrother]

i have an idea why not trying 10 hstvl vs 10 2s38 or 20vs20

[@pedrim5969]

1:57 Brazil Showation

[@lachlanrosser1284]

I managed to shoot down a f-14 tomcat in a french monoplane with 20mms it took a good hour or two but I managed to do it.

[@dakotasimms7270]

As much as I love the 262 the meteor is older

[@Xtariz]

Stupid question... is it possible to have true size battle historically correct battles in WarThunder player vs player...

[@aklapotherpotherpothikrebh603]

Need b29 vs all ww2 axis aircraft

[@user-eu5yz4cz4r]

How do you get the f-16 faster

[@mexican-qe1jr]

Bro put all the guns available on the ME 262 just to try win against the f16 💀

[@Monkeyseadew]

Me wondering why none of the 262's led the f16 at a long range.

[@rawchicken3463]

I think i said to do this one

[@g3d2dgaming91]

T35 VS Chr2c

[@fearjxnxk6284]

against mig 15 would be interesting

[@Rajveer_Singh68]

Bro Fired 69 missile from 1 F-16 it's not ACE Combat bro😂

[@TheOtherAviationGuy]

Its how many missiles the F16 has and after that it’s done

[@mamarussellthepie3995]

Was gonna say something dumb like "Dude where tf did you find these lousy Viper drivers? XD" but then I realized WT players are not always the best lmao xD

[@garrettobrien5197]

That first round was less. What can the f16 do. And more of. What can the aim9L do

[@alecsanchez8939]

P-59 vs MiG-29

[@Onzaie]

i was there i died at 6:08 as well as 9:11 (i was Onzaie 1)

[@Lithslav]

Wdym "first jets"? Those are Me-262's, the Me-262 is not the first jet.. I don't wanna be a nerd but like- the first jet was the Heinkel He-178.. And if you still haven't realised the mistake maybe you could actually make the same thing but with actual He-178's? I would appreciate it. Ik it's a lot to ask [if you haven't done it already, prolly not] since you probaly don't have a lot of time and videos take hours to make and days to edit, but I [and some other nerds] appreciate you for taking your time to re do it [if you do, and we all appreciate you already but we will even more] so yeah, have a good day (:

[@no-om9fg]

The He-178's never saw combat so the me-262 is the first "operational" fighter jet

[@Lithslav]

@@no-om9fg you got a point. But still, the He-178 exists

[@dragongaming479]

me 262 is not actuly there first jet fighter the he 178 was also queston do you say it me 262 (like the me that talks about your self) or m e 262

[@gamingwithmoxy3770]

You shoud pick Mig 29

[@dev1stat0r37]

The F-14 is more of a legend than the F-16

[@-PHANT0M]

With my skill the prop planes would kill me in the f16 within 1-2 minutes lol 🥲

[@Nakamax.]

Why you sound like the war thunder narrator voice

[@AntonBayerle-or9eo]

retty boring that the f16 got his missels rep bc that just seems unfair

[@xgliderawmsx7066]

Me 163 vs f22 raptor

[@carrott36]

The F22 isn’t in the game

[@64freight]

What game is this???

[@anderson._.._.8801]

War thunder

[@jasonsolt9693]

its not the plane the pilot

[@cideltacommand7169]

Yeah, defenetly. Being 3 times faster than the enemy who have slow 30 mm cannons and having infinite infarred missiles is skill

[@haloskillplayer]

who are these clowns flying the F-16, there is literally 0 reason for you to die to a 262, if that were me i would just never play war thunder ever again