[UPDATED] F-16 VS PROP PLANES OF ALL TIME PERIODS - How Many Needed To Win? - WAR THUNDER

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[@thepowercreep]

IR missiles are calibrated to aim just ahead of the hottest heat signatures, which, on jets, is the cockpit. But Prop planes heat is ahead of the cockpit in most instances, so the missiles tend to track ahead of that, which is open sky. Lower heat signatures also play a factor.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Oh interesting and thanks for your comment

[@Slungus_bunny69]

Fun fact: prop planes carrying rockets can fire their rockets as flares

[@finalthemickith476]

I wasnt having fun when I read this

[@evandowgielewicz5350]

Same

[@boguskowalik7528]

Would be cool if someone took in an ah1h and troll their missiles with flares

[@TigerJaeger131]

There were some A-1Hs, and at least one of them got destroyed by an AIM-7.

[@vitorpilon2014]

At 5:05 one propreller used flares

[@jtl05]

there were a lot of them

[@jtl05]

@@TigerJaeger131 aim-9L

[@commandergeokam2868]

@@vitorpilon2014 yeah that was the A1H Which can carry both chaff and flares

[@TigerJaeger131]

Could it be that the radar missiles couldn't hit a target because the props were quite close together, thus confusing the radar?

[@aname1612]

Props usually use less metal and more lighter materials like wood which absorbs radarbetter, not all in this but generally also smaller profile as a prop type engine takes up less space than a jet

[@Official_Breslau_Map]

@@aname1612 also because of heat

[@thunder_tactics]

That would only be for IR missiles

[@switchblade3601]

Yeah i think the swarm of planes confused the missile. Like 2 planes close together can confuse them, more planes = more confusion

[@ariq4209]

@@aname1612 all the props in the video are full metal

[@qtippy1414]

How to take down a f-16 with prop plane: step one dive from 2000M above it with fw 190 D-13 step two fire.

[@kxrsed9812]

How are you gonna get 2000m above it lmao

[@Europe.Aviation14]

Or just shoot it... from anywhere

[@Europe.Aviation14]

I took down 2 f16 in my f4u corsair just from comming behind them

[@TheVeryRealCanada]

@@Europe.Aviation14bad players or bad plane

[@archimedesfromteamfortress2]

​@@TheVeryRealCanadahave you considered the possibility of him just being a good pilot

[@imaheadout8529]

12:58 YAY i can see myself evading he f-16s bullets!

[@colonel_cookies_]

And I cans see myself shooting you 😄

[@Tanspotty]

As a prop plane I'd of took the tactic to instead stick as low as possible cause I've noticed the jets mostly boom and zooming from above. They don't turn well so bringing the playing field to the props having more manoeuvrability at lower altitudes, I'd of stuck low and tried to think of a strategy which gave the props the advantage. Only thing you wouldn't win against is those missiles but guns you could win against

[@admiralpavelnakhimov8755]

Yeah, low flying works quite well against radar, as well as terrain abuse. Pyrenees for example works great for terrain abuse, since you can get behind the enemy team by flanking around to the side That's how I bagged 3 F-5Cs and an F-4C in one go

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@admiralpavelnakhimov8755 noice.

[@semajniomet981]

I'd think that making the terrain the enemy of the jets would be more efficient as well. It'd probably be more of a deterrent than the machine guns that the turboprops would have. Probably also easier to pull that stunt off in biplanes as well, due to their lower overall speed. Just speaking as a layman. I'm not actually a pilot or anything like that.

[@tizanikandothers]

I'm going to be extremely honest: the event was not fun to play but seeing the video made me realize how worth the pain it was

[@cheesesniper473]

A weapons specialist said that no version of the sidewinder would have trouble tracking a prop plane, the exhaust throws off more than enough heat.

[@johammedali419]

1st match wasn’t even fun to watch. You CANNOT tell me that first match was x2 F-16 vs x62 props That first match was xInfinity AiM-9L’s + xInfinity AiM-7F’s vs x62 props

[@furretthefuzzynoodle3896]

I’m very surprised so few people picked the A-1H since it’s a prop with flares and chaff

[@warthunderclipper]

nobody has it its veyr expensive

[@cptfrostbite]

8:43 i died here in that spitfire

[@evandowgielewicz5350]

Thats sad

[@benpurcell4935]

If the Grim Reapers dogfight competitions taught me in a one on one in a small space a jet will always lose.

[@SteampunkPaperTown]

Yoo Muffin! Thanks for letting me in on this game since the shooting of the video i got my F-16 as well. ~VanishedInDeath (Also sorry i didn't get you my side of the combat the replay was being weird for me) Also yea.. That move i pulled at the 2:30 mark, was not the brightest move but, it worked?

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

You’re welcome and good job

[@Donut833]

Really enjoyed this style of commentary. Your other ones kinda feel over scripted/ robotic. This felt much more natural and flowed quite well.

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you! I’ve been working on it

[@Donut833]

@@ThunderWithMuffin Definitely noticeable my man. Keep it up.

[@samueljohnson717]

This is a joke right?

[@Donut833]

@@samueljohnson717 No.

[@thetoastmaster180]

agreed. didn't feel like a human was talking to me beforehand lol, and the laughs felt extremely forced. glad to see his improvement

[@BASTION1023]

Loved participating aswell as being in the second round! And to anyone interested ill be posting a raw vid from the second round when I get home. Fantastic video as always muffin!

[@idiotinyoumama5594]

I love how muffin at 80k subs is much more entertaining than most other youtubers

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

To explain how Fox 2 aka your sidewinder's missiles work. They require a heat signature. The reason why they track jets better is that the heat source is behind the aircraft. While the heat source on propellers is in the front taking almost all of the cool air which helps cool it down after faster speeds. If I got anything wrong for those who served or serving in the Air Force correct me on anything.

[@Incah2036]

Sort of, kind of lol

[@GUBBS5]

I think the reason that some of the missiles could not hit was because most of the missiles are designed to be heat seeking (like the sidewinder) So since the tiny engines of the prop planes produce little to no heat the missiles can’t lock on to

[@alexshepherd1741]

A homing missile reacts to heat, so heat traps work against it. The missile is easily aimed at the jet blast of modern fighters, as it is very hot, but the old propeller-driven aircraft did not have a jet blast, but only a warm engine, which is much colder than a jet blast. Therefore, it is much easier for a rocket to target a modern fighter than a World War II aircraft.

[@liamsmith433]

I think if the prop planes stayed really low to the ground they’d have had a better chance as all the F-16 pilots where doing too down attacks!?

[@dustyak79]

Low and if the coordinated like say 10 planes circling clock wise at 1000 feet 10 counter clock at 2000 and so on

[@neopolitan4121]

I love watching jet fighters spam missiles for 9 minutes!!! (They still don't know what to do without them)

[@CrazyDutchguys]

>conveniently ignores them winning guns only round

[@shadowknightgaming1874]

Ya they keep missing because they don't even understand the capabilities of there missiles

[@Mrskydoesminecraft1]

Honestly I’m surprised none of the props brought along some unguided rockets to spoof the missiles with, Rocket engines actually will spoof IR missiles making them a good flare alternative 😂

[@MistikCo]

That’s what I was thinking

[@sackthing986]

Now this is what should be on "The Shooting Range"

[@thetoast3889]

it would be much more interesting on a mountainous map where you fly low and have to maneuver a lot

[@sapphiraollivierre]

Keep up the good content Muffin!😃

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@iclimbeverything2990]

thats crazy of the aspect and G tolerance of those missiles. thought i was watching ace combat

[@mclovin2408]

Lol this reminds me of the time I joined a top tier air battle with a prop plane, there was a modern ship I decided to kamikaze in my little German plane, I actually did some damage before I dived into him.

[@KampfTiger1]

A MiG-29 vs Prop Planes would be cool as a comparison which would do better. I volunteer for the MiG-29 Pilot.

[@Fish79246]

The prop plane could’ve gotten rockets and used it as flares since missles lock onto hot engines and rockets have a little thrust on the back it can lock onto it

[@owensks]

Only Ir missiles lock onto heat but in this video they were using semi and active Radar missiles

[@beachside1]

I just love this channel. How do you become a participant of these challenges?

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you. Join my discord to receive the announcements on when I do events

[@beachside1]

@@ThunderWithMuffin Thanks bro. I will

[@c0ldyloxproductions324]

Love how the only plane that can defend otay from missiles is the a1h pumping out that chaff and flairs

[@pharthasa]

Suprised the A-2 didnt use its flares

[@allenliu8820]

well there is a reason y the radar missiles don't work against props i have played custom battles where the radar missile will not kill a prop because they are too slow for the radar to detect, they have a low radar cross section, or dumb gaijin code i really dont know why they dont lock onto props that well unlike in jets the average range where I am able to fire a radar guided missile at a prop is around 5k a little over 3 miles this could explain why the radar missiles were ineffective

[@thenathan4490]

Salut, Monsieur. I would recommend a fight between lotsa props vs the Mirage F1C (C, CT, C-200). Would be interesting to see one of the hardest jets to fly fight against props. This also would be an interesting challenge as the Mirage F1C isn't known for its agility. It's acceleration is not as good as some other aircrafts and even a Phantom can almost outmanoeuvre it. Would be interesting.

[@asiangaming8409]

4:57 yay it’s me

[@raptorf_2255]

I think the reason why the missiles couldn't hit any targets could be because the missiles are fired at the point where the prop planes are only 10 few meters away from the f16, as soon as the missile launches with the prop planes being that close the missile will lose it's target

[@manhvo242]

FINALLY I'VE WAITING SO LONG

[@johnsmith6266]

hey thunder! would you be willing to consider making some historical battles like Kursk? Thanks for the content always fun to watch.

[@KingGumps]

I have an idea for a video, what if you took a bunch of p-36 peashooters and maybe like 3 or 4 b-17s or any suitable bomber and have the massive amounts of peashooters try to shoot the bombers down.

[@thecatbims1795]

I love flying my Kee Bird B-29 but it doesn't hold up against a 20mm

[@rdmcfoxinator2131]

so my theory on the missles not tracking properly is that some of the prop planes have equipped Rockets to create a shot burst of High Heat. So far I am yet to be killed by missile in my Sea Vixen because whenever i see that Missile indicator I fire a Much brighter AGM for it to track instead. However sometimes the players just switch to guns but i have deterred players from getting me through Energy management and then just peeling off because I wasn’t their first target and therefore wasted their Final missile.

[@mayalopez7992]

that gold f 16 , just like you said , ITS SICK

[@mc_jan_tryhard1223]

Another Great Video, keep it up, btw what's the song Name at the start? Greatings from Germany

[@declanflynn2580]

Best thing do do as props in go low to the ground prevent the jets from getting real good angles

[@MrRobschnieder]

The F-16 has Aim9L's which is significantly better than the F-14s Aim9H's. The L can pull 30gs and is all aspect vs the H only being able to pull 18g and being rear aspect only. So the L has an easier time getting a lock as the engines and exhaust are in the front of the props and being able to pull an extra 12g helps guide it in.

[@engchoontan8483]

2 versus 1 (20mm only) Attack/Defend - Both ways 2xF16 versus 1xBi-Plane (F16 must Attack and cannot hide) 2xBi-Planes versus 1xF16 (bi-planes must Attack and cannot hide) Defend = cannot leave predefined area, within 18000ft Bi-plane rotate-pivot straffling on = belly, top-wing-center, bottom-wing-center, right-wings-tips, left-wings-tips, stand-on-tail, ... propeller = turning radius (pivot) of 20-meters is big bully

[@engchoontan8483]

Imagine a 1km by 1km space for bi-plane within a 100km by 100km space for f16. Watch youtube on bi-plane acrobatics-display. Bi-plane is like a stationary air-turret (seemingly not moving, only twisting and rotating), no matter how you fly the f16, bi-plane, with center propeller and therefore 2x20mm, will always be looking-at you.

[@engchoontan8483]

Understand further = camel-pak and cigar due to air-time all-the-time

[@_GODSFIGHTER]

Was a little doubtful the f16s could pull it off because of the f14 video but after a couple minutes i thought yeah they could

[@RN_GLXY]

I remember being this guy like top 500 followers sim like that

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you for still following!

[@spacekat1543]

You should do ww2 spaa vs helicopters

[@henrique2456]

This video is like putting a Iowa class battleship vs a sailboat

[@LeroxYT]

Another aa Video? Maybe with that german Flakvierling, it has alot of guns..and firepower, against planes, i mean why everytime the worst aa against some good sky, why not good vs good y know...would be interesting

[@thecatbims1795]

Any Idea when we are gonna see Helis vs Boats

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Next one coming out:)

[@siroglethorpe311]

Early let’s go I love these vids

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

Thank you!

[@sandystockmon8561]

the lack of heat thery works well with the early biplanes of ww1 using 40hp engins to at best aprox 200 hp, not nearly as mutch as the multi thousand deggree thrusters and jets and rockets the missiles were buiilt to target

[@kadenbrown-cobarrubias5510]

theres somthing about firing a AIM at a prop that's just really funny

[@russell33313]

JOE, ahahhahaa JOE MAMA

[@evandowgielewicz5350]

It’s probably because most jets have afterburners which makes heat for most air battles because they are not ment to go against WW2 planes

[@captainkiwii442]

im still in the prop planes but after this vid im going to grind like never before

[@sawsmsgaming6737]

You should do 10 new players in f-16s vs 1 pro player in f-16s

[@StealthyShot]

Prop planes should be able to bring rockets as flares

[@RubberToeYT]

Great video as always

[@colonel_cookies_]

Yeah we can see my shiny golden skin 😊

[@Pilot-delta-victor]

Cinematic masterpiece

[@Mika-ph6ku]

Them props flying like bots

[@asiangaming8409]

Try fighting a F-16 going at Mach 1 speed in a slow prop fighter

[@Mika-ph6ku]

@@asiangaming8409 Irrelevant; I said they were flying like bots cause many were just going in straight lines and not doing anything to avoid catching rounds from the f-16s when they were making their runs.

[@sukhoisu-27flankerbdude92]

On custom battles the yak 3(ww2 prop plane)is super good at taking down any jet, the f-4S and the A-4E are easy targets to kill

[@havehfoxxo]

after 46K+ hours and playing sins 2013 this would be fun sometimes cause i never have any good action then doing the same thing over and over. hit me up of ur doing another one of these this would look like alot of fun

[@benkemp9283]

Video idea A10s vs prop planes with and without AIM9Ls

[@JadenDiaz-hz8xz]

I ain't the best but this is my motto. I fight to the last plane to the last man, to the last bullet

[@dominicnicolson9865]

Funny thing is I play top tier with my fren who bought a premium and since I’m at rank 4 I use prop planes and yes we play arcade but I still find it funny that I kill 6 jets almost every time

[@shawneddricktiongmoe6419]

Yup the prop plane blow away the heat I think

[@kadenbrown-cobarrubias5510]

this has happened before. theres is video of an f16 shooting down a prop plane in venesalu

[@hermandelang]

What i noticed is that the large bombers like the tu-4 on round 2 were pretty effective against the f-16s

[@C4T4N4]

And there is 5gen that can go head to head with prop planes in terms of maneuverability at low speeds

[@mrwatersheep1828]

Me in my fw 190 A1: shit, got uptiered again…

[@Tir33nts343]

Jets are made for hit and run, props are for dogfighting

[@PlaySomeGoodCountry]

Why do they get infinite missiles though. Kinda lame that they never have to fight the prop planes because they don’t run out of missiles

[@Incah2036]

Think it would be more interesting if you didn’t have unlimited fuel enabled… homies would’ve bingo’d out in 3 mins keeping AB in like that lol

[@indianmetal]

Can you do the bombers vs modern jets with only guns

[@tins5074]

No idea on how, but my friend took me in top tier with the p-51 (20 mm) and i just tanked a r-60

[@TheRoadburner99]

Can you do d day with the allies having modern aircraft and tanks?

[@Nottrules]

Soon we’ll get to the point where props where lose that maneuvering advantage scary to think about

[@mak8464]

I'm pretty sure growling sidewinder did a thunderbolt vs a warthog and won a couple merges

[@pdonettes]

How do you do custom battles like this?

[@ShawnF6FHellcat]

I was too tired that day, and decided to just wait for the next event to participate in...

[@st-6837]

Colorized footage of Japanese aircraft in summoning Japan

[@virginitysamurai8083]

would it be cool if the early jet fight with the lastest jet?

[@tinymustacheman9631]

Idea: moders spaa vs ww2 planes Or modern helicopters vs ww2 spaa

[@redkaven]

Pretty sure i searched seal clubbing but I got brought here instead

[@professionalretard9364]

Shouldn’t have had unlimited ammo on, thats just not fair

[@ThunderWithMuffin]

It would have just taken the battle longer because all the F-16’s would need to do is fly back to the airfield, restock and fly back out and that’s boring to watch

[@ridleymain9234]

I feel like the A2D doesn’t count as a pure prop. It has a jet engine

[@Yyyyyyyyyyy7777]

You should Lancaster vs bi planes

[@matthiashacker7303]

How can I remove the reload time of the missile?

[@lukewhitehouse4103]

guess you just wait for the F-16 to run out of fuel

[@someguy1907]

Five F22s Five F35s Vs the entire Soviet airforce from the 1950s and 60s

[@ryanp5790]

Those prop players played like brainless bots, not even evading or breaking to avoid the F16s

[@danielleung275]

Could you do every prop plane vs all jet planes

[@danielleung275]

I haven’t played in a while but I assume that there’s more prop planes than jet planes

[@DrHundTF2]

I don’t see a lot of maneuvering, biplanes or Japanese. So yeah, no wonder

[@april-wr1mf]

All the F16 really has to do is fly up and sling 9L's down

[@F16IQAF]

Bro is trying to play ace combat in warthunder