Airstrike on Norway Scene - Masters of The Air S1E2

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[@majuryni]

"Yee cannae park there fella" ... 😀

[@bobthestinky7369]

"That's ma dug's hoos!"

[@flankspeed]

"Ah'll gie yiz a tow but it'll cost yi a few Bob, Ken."

[@thudor1]

Scots wha' ha'e!!😆

[@AmenYeshua]

😂😂😂

[@miliba]

And dont put too much weight on it

[@marcstump517]

This looks like it might be good. One of the few times my father talked about his war experiences is when we were watching "Twelve o'clock High" television show; I commented on a scene where they were being attacked on a bomb run and I made the mistake of calling shrapnel "scrap metal." He then for the first time talked all about his fears when he was in combat. He mentioned that flack was the worst of his fears but said "we didn't worry too much about it unless we saw the red of the bursting shell. We knew then that was when they really had zeroed in their altitude." My dad was Wayne Thomas Stump and he piloted a B-17, flying with the Eighth Airforce, 390th Bomb Group, 569th Squadron.

[@sid2112]

Lord bless your Dad.

[@lorenzooliveira1157]

Damn. Imagine just feeling your plane jolt around like nothing because of the enemy fire

[@Xingmey]

My grandpa used to operate these guns. Zeroing in wasn't that much of a problem as he told me. they had a device called 'Würzburg' which was a Radar. The only problem was the constant changes of speed and course of those bombers, since a shell needs to travel up to 30 seconds to these altitudes those bombers flew in. I think he mentioned once, that he got one - but i think that was just his battery of Flaks on one of the Nordfrisian Islands ;)

[@lattrelbia2527]

Thank you Wayne Thomas Stump 🙏

[@wdtaut5650]

My dad flew in the 8th. Watching 12 O'clock High, I asked him how they got anyone to go twice. He didn't answer. He never, absolutely _never_ , talked about any of his missions. He talked about any other aspect of flying, but not the actual missions.

[@JedediahTombstone]

My grandfather flew 27 missions over France and Germany, including a flight on D-Day. 2 different crews and 2 different B-17’s (most were killed and the first plane unsalvagable) with the 305th Bomb Group. Having that first hand account from him and his diary he kept at the time, I was extremely nervous to watch, fearing artistic license would be taken and a disservice done. I think it captures his stories, but the reality was even more dramatic if you can believe it.

[@anthonylarocco161]

My grandfather was a gunner on a destroyer back in WW2 during the pacific campaign. Also ran the 5 in pompom guns. I know these are two different situations but I have a lot of respect for the men and woman that fought in that war, or any war. They were definitely cut from a different cloth.

[@tedcharter4804]

Wow, I would love to read that diary. You should look into publishing it.

[@jackasslawyer]

Nice, what were the planes called?

[@ArcHelios117]

Did your grandfather participate in the massive civilian carpet bombing, leading to several hundred of thousands of deaths in the last year 44/45 in France, Belgium, Netherlands and Germany?

[@lalaslife6506]

My grandfather was captain, Frank Murphy I wish he was alive to see this. My family is very proud. We all are.

[@lalaslife6506]

Navigator

[@Phil_Langone_FilmArt]

My grandfather was on the ground. He told me about watching these entire squadrons forming in the sky and then flying off to wherever they were going. I think he had real admiration for them knowing how dangerous their missions were. Hats off to your grandfather.

[@arhickernell]

He's featured in the Bloody 100th documentary, which aired after the final episode. Great story

[@michaelwilson1276]

My great uncle piloted 35 missions in a b17g. He was shot down over occupied Europe and escorted out via the resistance. He went on to become a brigadier general.

[@OlivierCatta]

Spain or Brittan (Shelburn) ?

[@callumcc8897]

Great uncle 😂 please with due respect to the soldiers who fought for you to type a comment on KZbin, stop lying! Have some respect!

[@JaneNayes]

Liar. Reported.

[@augustotrenta2650]

a scene like this without background music would be more realistic and scary

[@charlesiei6831]

Yeah. War related stuff is way better without fantastic music. I finally realised, after watching Saving Private Ryan, that War films or series are serious business.

[@colonelsanders82]

Hard agree. That's not to say they should do away with the soundtrack entirely, but there are moments where it would be better to be more immersive. Let the noise inside the bomber set the tone.

[@chilbiyito]

Can anyone confirm if Band of brothers and The Pacific didn't add background music to battle scenes? I don't remember

[@quadnod4605]

@@chilbiyito Only certain scenes in Okinawa from The Pacific come to mind. And even that was more of an ambient horror-esque sound.

[@MrNuclearturtle]

@@chilbiyito Re watching band of brothers recently, the scores during battle scenes only ever underpin the climax of a fight, right at the very end during victory, retreat or a heroic action ie Lt Spiers making contact with I company in ep 7, otherwise nearly every fight in BOB is just the ambient sounds of gunfire ect, with the odd slowmotion or muted sound scape thrown in emphasis how disorientating everything is. I dont mind the soundscape in this show, it tends to work with how everything feels on a razor edge, and the music swells during a death or injury to show the brutal attrition. Both work in different ways, though tbf its sometimes over the top here, and feels like a hollywood film.

[@ghostfifth]

Imagine how many young boys went through all of that... God bless you all

[@JFS3]

The last thing you do when your plane is about to stall and fall out of the sky is to lower your landing gear. Also, belly landings are safer when the field you're crash landing into is an unknown quantity - You could easily dig your wheels in and go over on your back if the conditions are wrong.

[@zanaduz2018]

Lowering gear would add to drag, which will slow you down further - absolutely the wrong thing to do when your engines are not giving you enough thrust already. Since the ball gunner is already out of the turret (they would have gotten out once over the English Channel), there's little reason why they shouldn't belly land. Likewise, the concern about wheels digging in absolutely was a concern - it's what happened to the Akutan Zero. The Zero was forced to land, and ended up catching its wheels into a bog which caused the Zero to flip over and kill the pilot when the plane landed on top of the cockpit.

[@MinkiMunki]

Norway to Scotland via the English Channel? Need a new navigator. @@zanaduz2018

[@gdd29]

That was exactly the mistake "Akutan Zero" made too in the real world. It crash landed on unknown terrain on Akutan island in Alaska with its landing gear lowered and immediately overturned and killed the pilot. It was later found by the Americans and restored and tested.

[@richardsimpson3792]

Scotland's so narrow, I thought they were going to go right the way across and fall in the sea on the other side.

[@Galf506]

This is taken from real world memoirs and these people weren't experienced top guns. It's likely the mistake really happened.

[@eivindhelgetun3254]

I recognize the harbor at 1:17. That's Trondheim, and they're bombing the Dora I and II submarine pens. Since Trondheim was only hit by the allies once during the war, that puts the date of the raid this series represent to 24th of July, 1943. The bunker complex is still there, being prohibitively expensive to try to demolish, and now serve as location for the state archive, a bowling venue, workshops and other businesses. Weird as heck seeing your hometown getting bombed though. I bike through that area during my commute.

[@robertellis8500]

They are bombing the Sub Pens at Bremen. Not in Norway.

[@Poggize]

@@robertellis8500What does the title say?

[@bmvhusky]

Love the series so far. CGI is just fine considering how much of it has to be done to paint what was happing during these flights involving soo many aircraft and the action. E2 was amazing, especially from the take off of the B17s, to them getting back to friendly land. Bravo.

[@fitycalibre7555]

I’m glad someone else see’s reason. People are insanely critical these days

[@TheMinipily]

Well said, the CGI is miles better than the original previews back in 2014. Much better casting too. A lot of people like to compare it to real plane action like in Memphis Belle however the action in Memphis Belle was much more tame compared to this. You cannot create a picture of just how insanely batshit intense these raids really were with real aircraft. It just isn't viable due to the constraints of having to nurse these old planes around slowly in the air to preserve them. Just look at the dogfights in Dunkirk for example, slow and not entirely realistic to what the dogfights over Dunkirk were really like. At least with CGI, you can afford to push things further and beyond and the action pays off for it.

[@Brendissimo1]

I like how fast the attacking interceptors are - you can barely see them blazing past. It's probably still a bit slowed down compared to real life, but it really gets the point across to the audience while still being visually readable on a big HD screen. The show uses things like slow motion very sparingly, and relies on a nice level of visual clarity and consistency to show the action to the audience. Also the action is frequent and often not the focus of the camera but instead is happening all around the characters. And they didn't sanitize the gore either. The wounds that the show depicts the airmen suffering are absolutely horrific. So far, so good.

[@joek7277]

@@fitycalibre7555I disagree watch Dunkirk’s aerial combat scenes, they’re unbelievable and look 50 times as good

[@conehed1138]

​@@TheMinipilyreal life "dogfights" were boring and slow. Watch any gun cam footage from WW2 or play any realistic flight sims. It was very hard for pilots to pull any sort of intense maneuvers, especially before g suits were common. Pilots also had to get incredibly close to reliably take down a target. Most aircraft engagements consisted of sneaking up on people or shooting planes while they were on the ground. Dunkirk's action was very realistic (except for when Tom Hardy kept fighting with his engine dead). There are plenty of real B17s that they could have used for this show, and plenty of proxy/reproduction aircraft that they could have used for dogfights. I understand why this show used CGI, but it's lazy. Not only does it hurt the viewer experience, it hurts the acting. These performances are lifeless, which is to be expected when you are slapped in front of a green screen.

[@MrFabianschmidt]

I was recently working inside the Dora submarine bunker in Trondheim not too long ago. An incredibly fascinating construction, and incredibly thick reinforced walls!

[@kipling8080]

I have been inside the Dora Bunker as well. It is fascinating to see such a concrete monstrosity in real life. In many ways it equals the pyramids in size and scale(If not in construction). It will probably outlast the rest of Trondheim by several millennia. The bunker was so solidly built that after the war, once demolition was rule out, they built a ramp up to the roof and then built a warehouse on top of it. They are thinking about tearing that warehouse down and building a bigger one instead. Doing both was cheaper than actually tearing the Sub Pens down. As for the sub pens themselves, they are now archives for various state, county or local organisations. I mean if a raid of B-17 didn't put a dent in it; then its probably a nice place to store documents and stuff.

[@Ulyssestnt]

@@kipling8080 The one in Bergen is is still a uboat bunker,they tried to reduce it to rubble during the war but all they did was hitting a school with my grandmother in it and then on the second raid several city blocks that were reduced to basically nothing. Friendly fire is never fun.

[@CrossOfBayonne]

This actually isn't a bad scene but the CGI does give away at times

[@MrGtubedude]

Yea they could have done better with the cgi in this series so far. But other than that it’s amazing.

[@cjjk9142]

haven't noticed much weakness in the cgi, i think you're being unfair

[@More_Row]

I don't think so. It's especially noticeable when the enemy fighter planes are coming for them and strafing. @@cjjk9142

[@blitzy3244]

I swear there was a scene where the German fighters just popped onto the screen sort of like the tie fighters during the space battle in VI. But this is 2024...

[@skypuppy7341]

I would love if it didn’t have as much CGI usage but I also recognize that there aren’t enough real planes left to use for filming so they’re doing the best with what they have

[@dapre]

Finally a series I can watch. Its been a long wait since Band of Brothers and Generation Kill...

[@michaelmorrigan614]

The Pacific was pretty good too

[@TheMinipily]

I'd strongly recommend The Pacific too. Generation War is also incredible if you want what people dub the "German Band of Brothers"

[@xyz1415]

Oho. Someone else knows Generation Kill👏

[@Melior_Traiano]

@@xyz1415 Pooolice that mustache!!

[@marklawrence8518]

Years ago I worked with a gentleman who piloted B-17s. He spoke about an incident where a ground crew member got killed by one of his propellers when they were preparing to take off. Absolutely unnerving and they hadn't even left the base yet, with a mission in front of them. Total respect for a man and a generation who answered the call and shaped our world today.

[@StoriesofWWII]

There is no conclusive evidence that Ju-88s were ever used in any organized capacity as DAY TIME heavy bomber intercept fighters, but they were used as long range reconnoissance and shadowed Allied Bomber formations to direct intercept fighters. The interesting thing about this misidentification is that it comes from the air sick navigator Harry Crosby's book, "A Wing and a Prayer". He is the only one to refer to those fighters attacking the formation during that Trondheim Sub Pens mission as Ju-88s. He probably mistakenly confused the name while writing his book many years later. They couldn't have been because the Luftwaffe Jagdgeschwader 5 (Eismeer), which operated in the far north of Europe namely in Norway in 1943 had an operational Zerstörerstaffel that flew Bf-110s. I can't speak as to why they would still choose to misidentify them except to show human error in high stress.

[@ryan7028]

Agreed, judging from the characteristics of the tail, it should be BF-110

[@StoriesofWWII]

@@ryan7028 undoubtably 110s. It's very cool to see despite the wrong call out.

[@Galf506]

I think it may be down to the content of the books

[@jw451]

good point Ju 88 as bomber intercepter ? Unlikely More likely 110, 210 & 410 as nighttime intercepter

[@willthorson4543]

​@@jw451ju88s were used as bomber interceptors but not over Norway. 210s? Lol. No. Too weak of an aircraft.

[@raymondyee2008]

At least the B-17s here didn’t magically fold up like in “Red Tails”.

[@BratislavMetulski]

yeah because that never happened in reallity and was never recorded on gun cams... right?! now go back and play warthunder or other crap.

[@berndbrakemeier1418]

Why are you so mean? raymond is twelve years old, he`s just not able to write a proper comment, so please, be lenient😊@@BratislavMetulski

[@CrossOfBayonne]

The Tuskegee airmen are in this series too

[@tonyjames5444]

Not a bad show but not a patch on Band of Brothers, its to glam for me and i hate to say it reminds me of the film Pearl Harbour with over the top CGI and Abercrombie & Finch style pin up actors, all thats missing is tobacco filters.

[@torarildhenriksen371]

That is the uboatbunker in Trondheim Norway. Still standing today

[@CzechImp]

02:23 ''Pilot to crew...'' Five of them don't have their headgear on, so they can't hear you! 03:14 Slams into the cliff top ... yet undercarriage and ball turret undamaged! Soft Scottish rocks!

[@Chris-mg3hi]

Looks like Bergen in Norway, my granpa was a child on a scool just 200meters away and got hit, 177 died of 327 injured and alot kids. Since they missed and hit a school, and he got resqued by a German SS officer. They did not get told they missbombed for the rest of their lifes, and the submarinebase was not hit.

[@nomadeper]

Trondheim

[@nomadeper]

The Bergen bombing of the school is depicted in Krigsseileren/War Sailor (2022).

[@LMyrski]

Kind of silly, hitting the cliff like that would have structurally destroyed the plane. They overdid it, as the Japanese submariner in 1941 said...."Hollywood!"

[@vincewilliams5219]

He had a great reason to scream " Hollywood"

[@burtvhulberthyhbn7583]

​@@vincewilliams5219no he said "horryrood"!!!!!

[@TheWhiteOwl23]

I am so disappointed in what I have seen so far too. Band of Brothers and The Pacific did a fantastic job of being grounded in reality, no flashy bullshit. This is just ridiculous, CGI is WAY overused, and the behaviours of the characters don't really make sense. What the fuck happened.

[@rocktechinc]

@@TheWhiteOwl23Seems like the actors are overcompensating for something and are trying too hard to emphasize their regional accents.

[@spitfires1979]

@@rocktechincWell, one of the pilots is a British actor, for a start

[@ripmax333]

Hitting the Cliff like that and the bomber was still structurally Intact?.. Yes, I know it's a Movie..but come on! a bit more effort there Hollywood.

[@florianN132]

yeah, the thing here is - like in so may other instances when it comes to "hollywood" - less would be so much more! Just spare the viewers that stupid cliff hit, let them keep the landing gear in to keep drag as low as possible and avoid possible flipover(and let them talk about that!) and show how they barely reach the field on the cliffs with las bit of energy... And voila, it would have been a tense - because believable and realistic - and much better scene, that might have been even cheaper to produce, because of less cgi bullshittery.

[@s4awd2]

Not sure why but the simpler effects of the old Memphis Belle movie just created a greater sense of claustrophobia, noise, cold and just how limited the airmen were when defending their bomber from enemy aircraft. This seems a bit too video gamey to me. 🤔🤷‍♂

[@LLH7202]

It's all CGI, now.

[@stevedavis9466]

and yet , my father , who flew 52 missions on '17s , 25 with the 100th , had criticism for the way they portrayed the battle scenes in ' Memphis Belle'. Go figure....

[@s4awd2]

The greatest generation. Great to hear that he came back and raised a family after serving his country@@stevedavis9466

[@oscrthgrch7]

A former employer's father (since deceased) flew on B-17s during the war. When I talked to my employer about it, he said that his father's biggest fear had been the flak rather than the fighters. The depiction of the intensity of the flak here really brings that home. He may have served in the later years where they had fighter escorts all of the way to the target and back. Escorts were a huge help against German fighters, but they couldn't do anything about the flak, other than occasionally fall victim to it themselves.

[@Galf506]

makes sense as flak was largely psychological in effect, it was not very effective at actually bringing down planes

[@toberca]

@@Galf506 actually, according to the USAAF's very own bomber survey, half of losses were due to flak (we tend to forget planes beyond repair or those that had to turn before reaching target). Even though the German flak needed eight thousand shells per downed plane, it required less industrial output and less manpower than the Combined Bomber Offensive, especially after developing radar-aided aim, which halved that amount. The war would have been terribly different if they had proximity fuses...

[@Galf506]

@@toberca you're talking of damaged planes, I'm talking of a plane going down and losing all crew. A damaged plane is no issue, you build another. A lost crew is 10 people gone. BIG difference.

[@oscrthgrch7]

@@Galf506 According to the document cited here (Causes of heavy bomber damage in eighth air force January -May 1944), 83.7% of battle damage was caused by flak. kzbin.info/www/bejne/r4WrlK2KjNCqY8U

[@Galf506]

@@oscrthgrch7 I'm talking of downed planes not damaged planes

[@DavidPT40]

The B-17 bounced off a cliff?

[@Waffenschmitt]

Love the B-17, a Beautiful WarBird....

[@jckoibra2662]

Yes same

[@emesssea]

This episode missed an opportunity of making that shack having a bathroom and angry Scotsman running out of it with his pants down.

[@Warmaker01]

"You can't park there, mate."

[@w3dnesd4y57]

Judging by the tail, those were Me 110's, not Ju-88's

[@ulyssesithaca995]

Fog of war

[@guts-141]

I think they purposely misidentify to show that bomber crews can make mistakes

[@queencinn4964]

@@guts-141yes that’s been confirmed

[@guts-141]

@@queencinn4964 that's neat. Only thing is the Aviation Nerds in the comments bitching about it nonstop Hell I'm also an Aviation nerds but at least I don't act like those douchebags

[@FujisamaProductions]

They looked like BF-110s

[@flankspeed]

Scots Farmer: "FUKKIN YANKS OBLITERATED MA SCARECROW!!" *low-key genuine respect*

[@Eagle-od1im]

Interesting they called out the fighters as Ju-88's. But those look more like Bf-110s with their twin tails. Dunno if thats down to script/animation error or could just be chalked up to the aircrew misidentifying a twin-engine fighter passing them in a head-on approach

[@pursuitpix]

Misidentified aircraft, which is historically accurate and excellent attention to detail by John Orloff. They wrote in the script what the crews misidentified them as.

[@FPSFanofAweasomness]

The mistake comes from the memoir written by Croz, the airsick navigator who serves as the narrator currently.

[@More_Row]

Lmao just attribute everything to being attention to detail when it just as easily could have been an oversight. @@pursuitpix

[@hartmutwrith3134]

Ju 88 where bombers. Only some where built as night fighters to shoot down the British Lancasters at night time. Two engined fighters in day time where BF 110 and BF 410. But they where no success. Only FW 190ies and BF 109 where capable bomber killers. Untill the ME 262 entered service at the bitter end. All of them where totally outnumbered by the allies.

[@MikeCGannon]

Similar to US tankers routinely identifying any German armor they encountered as "Tigers", when in reality they were most likely Panzer IVs or Panthers.

[@JustanAwesomeDude]

Did anyone notice that those enemy fighters may not have been JU-88s but potentially BF-110s? If you pause at 1:55, you can see the twin tails of a BF-110, something that JU-88s didn’t have

[@Modeeus]

Yes, you are correct. First thing I saw as well.

[@Amethyst-1013]

Yep. Spotted it too!

[@accadacastkr4912]

Yeap 110's

[@JoeDirte157]

“JU 88s going away” - I didn’t know German bombers attacked our bombers.. Looked like ME 110s..

[@wdtaut5650]

The Ju-88, and variations, was a capable aircraft, useful in many roles. As a fighter, I think it was only used at night. It's size and power allowed it to carry effective radar. The Brits found the Mosquito to be similarly flexible, originated as a bomber, used as a fighter, reconnaissance , pathfinder and more.

[@stevedavis9466]

JU88s did attack '17 formations. My Dad flew these missions in EP 1-3 and recoded in his diary the times he saw ju88s attack them. They actually shot down a JU88 on one mission.

[@mnFlatLander]

After being directed to LordHardThrasher by one of these clips, watching the Bomber War videos and the B-17 video..... watching the flack was way scarier. Knowing that a great deal of the "strategic bombing"/"day light precision bombing" was a loaf of horse crap made this heart wrenching in a different way

[@dankuser8303]

I found another hardthrasher fan

[@daystatesniper01]

Said this on other posts but i won a flight in Sally B back in the 80s , amazing experience but unbeknown to me we were "bounced" by a pair of spits ,standing at the waist gunners spots how the hell they even survived let alone shoot them down in beyond incredible .Brave Men indeed ,who gave their lives four our freedom .

[@cameronnewton7053]

Imagine if they were fw190's or (god forbid) me262's it would have been nearly impossible to hit them during a real battle, especially when your frozen half to death and tripping over your own shell casings at several thousand feet altitude.

[@umtoge]

MOI CABBAGES! -Some Scottish guy, probably.

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

I was listening to an audio of an RAF bomber crew on a mission and they were so nonchalant about it. They were as calm as if they were going a nice sunday drive.

[@ScrubbersGhost]

The one with the pilot/skipper telling them to calm down?…you can hear the guns firing and one of the gunners claims a kill?…was thinking of that as I watched this….I think I’ll pass on this show as it’s Hollywood nonsense.

[@thelostcosmonaut5555]

@ScrubbersGhost that might be the one. Although, the British seem to be less animated than Americans in most respects. So maybe this is just a cultural difference.

[@DrumToTheBassWoop]

Plus the Americans were the ones to go on day raids more.

[@efilrekib4446]

@@thelostcosmonaut5555 Or it's maybe just 'Hollyweird' that makes Americans look like assholes........

[@anthonyeaton5153]

The pilot of the Lancaster in that recording was Wing Commander Letby DSO with 84 ops under his belt and a DFC in Korea. Per Ardua ad Astra.

[@MrDrewluna]

Going through that flak looks like hell, but then when the camera pans down the bomb dropping, and it looks so much worst. War is hell

[@EpikBerm]

I don't think anybody nowadays can possibly fathom how absolutely scary it was to fly and fight in these literal tin cans. 'Course better than wooden biplanes, but technology caught up to murderize them; we have so many beautiful safe technologies that take out so much of the danger and challenge that was with this era that nobody can possibly take for granted. God bless these ole boys.

[@1981menso]

I read the stats for deaths in the Air Corps; you were better off being a ground pounder.

[@EpikBerm]

@1981menso hell to the f'ing yeah. Last I checked the stats for bombers who didn't make it home was as far up to like.. 70%??? It was the worst duty of the entire war. You really had to have some steel teeth. (And funnily enough unlike pop culture ball turret gunners died the least)

[@EpikBerm]

@@1981menso last I checked, I believe the statistics for returning bombers was the lowest duty in the entire war. (Ironically enough despite pop culture, ball turret gunners died the least)

[@davidmattson1872]

my great Uncle Dudley Mattson piloted one of the C-47's that the 101st jumped out of on D'Day. He said those soldiers were the most intimidating guys he had ever seen.

[@ctcollinthib]

This show is pretty true to actual events. Go look at the losses those crews suffered before June '44. Simply amazing that any of them could make it to 25 sorties and a ticket home. The two bomber crewmen I knew were both shot down and lived to tell the tale. God bless them.

[@G777GUN]

I think thats more rosehearty area than fraserburgh. We dont have cliffs like that near here.

[@reginavaught9459]

Awesome ❤

[@tieradlerch.217]

Ju 88 for air to air defense is new to me

[@65SATisfaction]

There *were* fighter versions of the Ju-88, but… they were not known to be deployed as area defense fighters. They were most often used as night fighters (with early radar equipment), or long-range patrol fighters deployed to counter Allied anti-submarine patrol aircraft. So it’s conceivable that a patrolling Ju-88 could happen to be in the area by coincidence. Others here have offered more comments on the crew calling them Ju-88s. Visually the aircraft are actually Me-110s.

[@nicoc6387]

My Dad was shot down in his Lanc over Denmark in March 1943… by a Ju88 Nachtjäger. I say shot down - they managed to level out just above the sea and made it back over the North Sea with no rudder, just using differential engine thrust to steer. Dad and the pilot were nominated for DFCs; vetoed by their mean bast**d of a Wing Commander, a certain Fleming, who said they shouldn't have got intercepted in the first place!

[@Melior_Traiano]

@@nicoc6387 I mean the Brits also used the Mosquito in a fighter role every now and then. They were multi-purpose aircraft.

[@richardrichard5409]

My grand father used to say, there was a constant noise of gravel being thrown at the plane during flak runs.

[@seanhoffman8990]

“Another happy landing” - Obi Wan 🤣

[@smokejaguarsix7757]

My Grandfather flew in B17 Ol Miss Destry. He said his and one other plane were the only survivors of one mission. He said the other plane crashed on the cliffs of Dover. He said he saw it happen. He said his plane had 3 dead in his crew that day and 177 flak holes in his plane. I have his Air Medal.

[@MrShenyang1234]

I don't know how these guys survived the war. In fact, I can't believe they actually crawled back into these planes, again & again. Unreal!

[@wdtaut5650]

my dad was in the 8th. I asked him how did they get anyone to go twice. He didn't answer.

[@dovidell]

that's the friggin' outhouse you just destroyed , where am I gonna take a dump now ?!!!!

[@RedStarRogue]

The CGI is pretty obvious at times but I feel guilty criticizing it since the computer animators were probably overworked and had a limited budget/timeframe.

[@kingken130]

Still better than MCU’s cgi

[@TheMinipily]

People underestimate just how insanely expensive and difficult working with CGI is. It's all well and good making an incredibly great looking character or set piece but it's a completely other kettle of fish to make something as complicated as dozens of individual B-17's flying over a constantly changing battle scene.

[@MrGtubedude]

@@TheMinipilyi don’t mind the lacking cgi in this by todays standards but I do wish they did better with the bombing scene where we can see the explosions. It could have been a bit better I think.

[@PaddyPatrone]

@@TheMinipily I wondered why that is, because AppleTV has shows with a lot better CGI.

[@Debbiebabe69]

limited timeframe? This series was first announced in 2003.......

[@Timus_han]

How the hell hyperrealistic crew cabin scenes; Change of sun lights, shadows.

[@tarn1135]

Can you imagine going about your day as a farmer, probably eating breakfast and then you lookout your window and see a B-17 coming right at your house? Absolutely boggles the mind what was probably a more common experience then we think.

[@richardsimpson3792]

"Yee've roon'd me tattiees wi' ye airyplane, ye bampot. Awa an boil ye heed"

[@L188widower]

The stories of those men must never be forgotten. If anything we should thank the producers for this work. Judging by the comments, there are generations being connected and brave men being remembered.

[@HappiKarafuru]

Imagine being a Scottish farmer and woke up to find your entire cabbage field is mown down in the morning *screaming in scottish accent*

[@jasonarment836]

Damn he smashed the chicken coop lol

[@JWilliamsLangley]

"All of Scotland, but my garden and shed...really?!!?"

[@commandandconquer6303]

1:18 civilians go boom

[@fraz2983]

Why have Spielberg & Hanks turned this into a Michael Bay film? BoB & Pacific were incredible. WTF is this?

[@fortis3686]

1:47 I dunno if we see them in other films, but it’s great to see German 2 engine interceptors actually portrayed in ww2 media, specifically BF-110s (I know they call them JU-88s, but they look like 110s to me)

[@Raguleader]

Interesting detail at 1:19, it looks like someone's bombs missed the target. Even the Norden bombsight had its limits.

[@junior-fj8ud]

Unfortunately, the Norden turned out to be overrated. While it did good under test conditions, it's accuracy was significantly reduced in the field.

[@Raguleader]

@@junior-fj8ud I mean, there's a few reasons we continued to develop guided bombs during WWII and for decades after.

[@AndyP998]

Germans used some guided bombs in mediterranean to good success, but they didnt have many of those to make difference.@@Raguleader

[@Debbiebabe69]

WW2 bombers tended to bomb off the lead plane - when he drops, you drop. Also the stick of bombs took a while to drop. Even if you assume the Norden had *LASER* accuracy and the bombs dropped perfectly straight like a *LASER* , just think. The first bomb, the one that falls the instant you pull the trigger, hits the target. However by the time your last bomb has dropped, you will have travelled forwards at least 450 metres, so your bombs will be long by 450 metres. The rest of the bombers will be behind you, some several miles, so their bombs drop several miles short. In other words, only that first bomb has a chance of actually hitting a point target. So if your aim is 50 metres off, which is quite easy and could be caused by something as simple as increaced air temperature due to exploding flak, the only bomb that has the chance to hit, will miss. Hence why area bombing was found to be more suited to the B17.

[@M1tjakaramazov]

One would think the side and tail gunners would stay hunched down during the bomb run. It's not like there's gonna be any fighters in the middle of the flack barrage.

[@danniepushkin5849]

external CGI shots of the aircraft render the ENTIRE movie PRETTY MUCH WORTHLESS

[@brucemacallan6831]

Fraserburgh. My home town. 😆

[@bushcraftybert113]

Watched both episodes ,wasn't really impressed, if you want a better watch try ' Memphis Belle '

[@pvt.potato1943]

I wonder why they called the interceptors JU 88s because judging by the twin tail design, those look to be BF 110s.

[@ghostcreeper243]

Misidentification

[@skeletonjam]

i know its probably historically accurate, but why would anyone think this? they dont look the same and a ju 88 would never be intercepting anything @@ghostcreeper243

[@mattkoselowski-wh9vj]

Poor Curt.... in EP3 when he said " Oh God!".......

[@21owlgirl72]

I like that they actually misidentiied the two Bf110s attacking them as "Ju88s". Makes alot of sense.

[@peterm3964]

War has it own terrifying and surreal soundtrack . Spectacular music is only used in movies

[@wdtaut5650]

I knew a WWII combat veteran. He said one of the things he most remembered about war was that it was loud.

[@alienspace1]

They bombed at night from above the clouds

[@user-ym9yp3ci9p]

Those guys had balls!

[@seantracy9109]

every airman I interviewed said they called to each other by name, not position. So it was "Hey Eddie, bad guys on the left", not "waist gunner to pilot". And "Roger that" didn't exist back then either.

[@davidkaminski615]

I think its just to help the viewers identify who's who. They're all in flight suits and facemasks so it's hard to keep track. IRL these men have trained weeks with each other, while a program viewer has seen them for ten minutes.

[@anthonyeaton5153]

Bomber Command pilots and crew referred to the crew positions.😮

[@conehed1138]

​@@davidkaminski615wouldn't using their names make them easier to identify for a viewer than their positions? Especially since they have masks on?

[@WhocaresWhy44]

Fraserburgh, Scotland home to Dennis Nielson the Cannibal.

[@bandsbikesandboozereviews]

That can't be Scotland. The sun is out.

[@RobertMattison-pp6uf]

The flak is worth them the planes. These men believe in life after death.

[@Coldwarrior7781]

I haven't seen episodes yet but from this clip I question the quality and accuracy just based on the filmmakers not depicting the extremely important act of feathering the props on dead engines. The drag created by those big fat Hamilton Standards cannot be overstated. If they're not making thrust they are making death unless feathered. This is why fighters of the day did power on landings as opposed to what you'd see a Cessna do today.

[@secuda]

Maybe watch the episode then.

[@Coldwarrior7781]

@@secuda So you think they'll be feathered there...

[@stopmotionwarehouse8986]

@@Coldwarrior7781IVE watched the series and multiple times they have feathered their engines. You’re quick to judge

[@Coldwarrior7781]

@@stopmotionwarehouse8986. They were worried about making the coast to avoid ditching. They lost half their thrust. Drag reduction would have been paramount. They probably would have been jettisoning guns and ammo as well. Feather and pull fire suppression. It jumped off the screen for me. I rewound to make sure what I was seeing. I'm sure others here with an aviation background would agree. I'm not complaining about the story. I was a member of the modern Mighty Eighth. I'm well versed on and protective of the history. It's just a glaring oversight to me that the director didn't put one guy in the CG shop who had a little knowledge to say, "Umm, that's not right.". Why are you defensive about it?

[@stopmotionwarehouse8986]

@@Coldwarrior7781im not going to act like I know more than you, but I can say with confidence that the show so far is pretty Accurate and while not being what some were looking for, it is a great show

[@cyberdaemon]

I wonder if there were many friendly fire incidents? Because all these guns shooting at german planes flying through formations could easily lead to them hitting their own planes.

[@SuperDarkSamurai1]

I like how they showed how the Germans were using the smoke generator to produce smoke to obscure the targets 0:37

[@Carolinaishome]

Man, I didn't realize there were so many WW2 pilots left alive but hey sure did come out in this comment section! 😂😂😂

[@Kennethmataya]

Those aren't Ju-88s. Clearly Bf110s.... Rookie mistake

[@adamdraper5522]

So far, this show has disappointed me with the fight scenes. The CG is cluttered and clunky. Everything moves too fast, and the communication just sounds like it's from ps4 WW2 game. The music makes it even tougher to stay immersed in. And why are the German planes flying like theyre modern jet planes ?!

[@StanGuru]

1:17 why is CGI in modern stuff so bad? It literally looks like google earth with some low grade effects pasted over.

[@stopmotionwarehouse8986]

Womp womp, good show

[@williampietrefase5593]

The 8th Army Air-corps lost more men than any other branch of our military during WWII. Amazing statistic.

[@northscrow9316]

Great series, on par with the BOB and Pacific.

[@Leisurelee53]

Any landing you walk away from...

[@Beepbopboh]

Thank everyone and their families for their service. Tho they may not be with us any longer , at least they can’t see what this country has turned into .

[@astupiddvdcase]

Really wish these aerial scenes were slower paced so theres more tension. The density of things happening in each scene is too high. Aircraft flying should be more smooth and acrobatic like how real airplanes fly

[@phippsa3]

CGI is pretty bad. Physics looks way off. Ive literally seen more convincing shots in DCS than this.

[@thomasmendez2816]

Looks good but it also shows Hollywood's way over reliance on CGI as much of it looks like video game footage. Actually...Ive seen some video game footage that looks more realistic

[@avtumghysw780]

Summerhill boy!

[@lengazz]

I guess the goggles on their heads are just for decoration...I love Hollywood...LOL

[@respir-holla]

Straight up reminds me of Memphis Belle

[@mixmaster3028]

I think they’re gonna have one pissed off Scottish Farmer

[@biddyboy1570]

They forgot to show the bit where they sunk the Tirpitz.

[@vladimirpecherskiy1910]

Japan's one!

[@Xyzabc998]

they didn't......

[@davidkendall1614]

I take it that is sarcasm and intended to be funny 🤷‍♂️

[@ghostcreeper243]

Bro that’s the British doing not us

[@AnthonyMonaghan]

Love Crosby...very interesting character. You get the feeling he never wants to get in a fort again yet in he gets. The puking is very relatable. I get airsick rolling over in bed.

[@preshlock]

Those weren't Ju-88s. I hate to be so critical of bad special effects but I video games from years ago look better.

[@gildor8866]

Yes, from the tails those look like Me-110 - which actually makes sense, as the heavily armed Me-110 is far better suited than a Ju-88. So the CGI got it right, the crews (deliberately by the writers?) got it wrong.

[@stopmotionwarehouse8986]

What are you expecting from this show, with their budget and time, this was great. Stop being a sourpuss and lighten up

[@ApocalypsoTron]

Great show, looks good on any Apply device but it looks awful on my LG with the apple tv+ app. Why, Apple?

[@onyachamp]

Yeah, I Will wait for the whole series to pop up on pirate. Apple won't get a cent from me.

[@MrZodac]

That landing was caused a serious loss in the food crisis in England.🙄

[@arcosiancosine1065]

Ju88 are bombers not fighters. Those were BF110.

[@London755]

Multi role aircraft. Definitely not exclusively a bomber.