AITA For Getting Stunlocked by EU Labor Laws? (React Court)

[@Zebo12345678]

"I didn't say she's untrustworthy, I said _nobody_ thinks she's trustworthy" Oh my god I'm laughing way too hard at this. Holy shit this series is hilarious.

[@AC-sk7uv]

I feel like the first story is “tell me you work in a male-dominated field without telling me you work in a male-dominated field”

[@yuurippi]

"I went to ask about the rule..."

[@pixelpox11]

@A C Well, I understand this situation. This wouldn't be the ONLY project in this company. You can always hop onto a different one after you get back from maternity leave, on the other hand it's only 7 months (here it's 18). And I had that happen with a co-worker. We were hired this march to a team, and 2 months later she announces that btw she's 6 months pregnant so she's going on maternity leave till the end of 2022. Well that sucks because 2 weeks later I ended up in hospital for 6 weeks. And the guy we were suppose to help was left alone again, and not able to take any time off. Really unfortunate. And I would've been angry as manager as well, if you are purposefully hiding the fact that you'll be unavailable for X time because of something you already know will happen - why not let these people know? In such case they can plan ahead and find someone to atleast cover the time you'll be off. In my case, girl announced it like a month before leaving as well, which didn't give us enough time to find a temporary replacement for the 18 month period. And if she said that she's pregnant - as she was one of the best at interviews - I'm actually quite confident they would've hired her anyway, but would also try and find a third person on temporary replacement contract. That's why I disagree on your 'male-dominated field' comment. Even here, where 80% of employees are women,and you actually get a shit ton of benefits for getting pregnant (like 18 month long payed leave for example, and like a gift baskets and all the usual salary bonuses) it's a dick move to not inform anyone in advance. EDIT: I just got to the point where NL is sarcastically saying "THINK OF THE TEAM" xD YEAH THINK OF IT! It's not about the money, or oh my the poor company will loose some pennies over it. Nobody should care about that. Maybe the employee market is completely different in Canada or USA, but holy shit it's so hard to find an employee here. Job offers are hanging for months before we can find anyone suitable for the job. There's literally negative unemployment where I live xD

[@plop0000]

@@pixelpox11 3 months is more than enough time to plan ahead as you said but unfortunately you can't predict health complication, you going to the hospital or her having to take leaves early. Would you be ok to be put on the side because you are the guy that "need to go to the hospital" in a middle of a project and can't be count on?

[@pixelpox11]

@@plop0000 If I knew that I was going to the hospital because of reason X then I would've informed them. If they said that I was untrustworthy because I was in hospital (a random occurence in this case) then I would probably try to change jobs. But now that I think about it I might be either biased or lack the perspective of a bad company. When I landed in the hospital these people went out of their way to get flowers to where I stayed at (I work remotely) even though it was technically illegal due to some weird covid restrictions. We got gifts for our pregnant colleague as well and wished her all the best with honest smiles. That's why I'm assuming that everyone should be just honest and think of other people because my work environment seems to be a paradise when it comes to human interactions and good treatment of the employee, but due to lack of hands so to say, you leaving unexpectidaly leaves other people in a huge strain of work. And therefore I believe the M to be the asshole, for not being honest on wether she can actually do the project or not. But okay, let's try to look at this from her perspective only. What (other then just one line on resume) is she getting from it? She knew she wouldn't be actively participating in 80% of the project, she wouldn't learn anything from it or build any kind of new experience, or potential advantages for herself in this work space. What was the reasoning there? I just don't understand.

[@Whatsuppbuddies]

"Is it unethical from a Greek philosopher standpoint? I don't know. Who cares?" Spoken like a Greek philosopher.

[@gabeat_]

diogenes specifically

[@critormiss6084]

Based and cauldron-pilled.

[@forsaken696]

@@critormiss6084 I love.. your work

[@triplepain522]

I always find the term "Stunlocked" so fucking funny when its used outside the context of literally being stunlocked in a game

[@MFG1243]

Yeah I know right it's hilarious

[@Zeffpenguin]

Holy shit, some of the commenters on Reddit are insane. Blaming that woman for her middle aged children not getting along based on a single reddit post is absolutely unhinged

[@shay2129]

People on Reddit looove to be armchair psychologists. Why write something nuanced when you could toss around 5 different buzzwords in a smug tone and get awards? They're trying desperately to live out that Sherlock Holmes fantasy of deducing everything about a person from a glance.

[@samgatti3045]

@@shay2129 43:38 Exhibit A

[@Zebo12345678]

@@shay2129 While I agree with you... there's something ironic about being an armchair psychologist deducing that redditors want to live out a Sherlock Holmes fantasy and be armchair psychology.

[@Dragoon7895]

@@shay2129 Aren't you being a huge hypocrite by saying this though? You're essentially doing exactly what you're accusing the redditors of.

[@rey7014]

like a fungal infestation, we have all become unhinged

[@fleasy4393]

"Just sell it on the open market to avoid family drama." Ah yes, the Beach House of Solomon play.

[@swampythefrawg]

Underrated Comment

[@YellowSpaceMarine]

I'm just imagining that biblical scene now

[@coolfool183]

"then your parents, if they've done their essay recently" godlike callback

[@marco5030]

Anyone have a timestamp? I watched the whole thing but missed it.

[@coolfool183]

@@marco5030 ok it is during the pregnancy bit, as the context is something like this: "when you're pregnant, you first call your boss and let them know. then tell the father, and then your parents etc etc." i will find it for you

[@coolfool183]

@@marco5030 i have found it! the bit starts at 16:50

[@marco5030]

@@coolfool183 thanks a lot :)

[@Theonebeliever]

@@coolfool183 EYYYY thanks from me too!

[@Yavorh55]

"When did you order it?" "About 3 minutes after you left the room" Fucking based

[@Cinnamon420]

i get a strange satisfaction at nl reacting to the worst reddit has to offer

[@hroper5079]

Funny thing is, this is not what worst "reddit" has to offer; this is the judgment ability of an average human. AITA is just another way of showing why we need to have laws written by educated people.

[@frealish6622]

That comment under the lady saying her two kids were traumatized at a deadly car crash is genuinely one of the most heartless things i’ve seen on the internet

[@wildcard3617]

Mans was ruthless

[@MajorasWrath1]

How about a time stamp a

[@TZerot0]

@@MajorasWrath1 44:00 ish

[@ladygeneveve3805]

yeah, honestly looking at AITA posts and reddits responses to them just goes to show how many people are dickheads, who want their solution their way, rather than just looking to see if somebody is acting reasonably, and who accept nothing that contradicts them.

[@Mocityspirit]

@@ladygeneveve3805 Reddit in particular is a cesspool for that kind of stuff, don’t let it get you down too much

[@MicoDossun]

I felt so sad about this 70 year old lady who has been a widow for like thirty five years and doesn't think she has much time left and people just just said such ruthless things to say.

[@voided_sun]

She lived a full life and her problem is about who to give her vacation home to... That's not something that warrants respect from millennials that have trouble getting a first house on a forsaken planet.

[@MicoDossun]

@@voided_sun please have some empathy. I’m not sympathetic to her having a beach house and no one to give it to but it’s clear she’s dying and has some regrets about how her life has gone and people are just ripping into her and telling her her life was a mistake

[@philo-]

@@voided_sun lol what a loser. She has money so everyone else on the internet is young and poor and it's her fault? World might be a harsh place, but if you're this soft and dumb you're only gonna get shit on.

[@voided_sun]

@@philo- i'm just stating how I interpret the average millennials on reddit. Stuck in wage slavery forced to pay rent until they are 30+ and committed. Your own actions have very little to do with that. Even when you can be succesful you won't get a sufficient mortgage. And that makes people salty.

[@voided_sun]

@@MicoDossun I'm not excusing what they said. Merely stating their mindset. I think some of it went too far too. But not because she is old, that warrants no respect. But because she is a human like the rest of us.

[@noahbaden90]

NTA your labor laws your rules

[@p6v665]

@AsukaWorshiper69 insensitive response

[@p6v665]

@@jessh4016 joke

[@manbo1213]

The new corporate strategy is to give new employees generous benefits packages and then shame them against ever using it

[@kloaf1131]

She wasn't shamed for using them and she wasn't a new employee. JS. it was because she took a spot on a project and missed the entire project knowing she wouldn't be there. I would have probably done the same. But a little perspective is important.

[@oo4667]

@@kloaf1131 yeah I don't see why she couldn't have just waited until the next project when she got back since they seem to be a regular occurrence ? if she's qualified for that one she'll surely be qualified for the next. the way she was treated was awful though

[@kloaf1131]

@@oo4667 ya thats the part. imo she didn't even advance her career that well and while he's the ah in any place where it's not allowed. It's possible op was following correct standards in his place of work/country and her decision hurt her in the long run. Just waiting for a different project would have avoided any issues and not affected her negatively in any way of taking the benefits offered to her.

[@shiki780]

@@oo4667 Because it was a career-defining opportunity and missing out on it would possibly mean never progressing within her career? The very notion that a woman who, by the admittance of OP, was fully capable, hard working and knowledgeable and would therefor be a shoe-in for the project, would NOT BE GIVEN A SPOT ON THE PROJECT because she was pregnant is a full indication that the only reason people don't want her on the team is because of her pregnancy. To then have the AUDACITY to blame this woman for not telling them she was pregnant (and this is at a point in time where she isn't visibly pregnant, so at most like 3 months in) and ostracize her within that company. A company she had worked at for a while, considering she was given the opportunity to work on a project of that scale, and had a reputation as hardworking and knowledgeable. "Waiting for a different project" doesn't WORK when, hey, guess what? If people know you have a child, and you are actively taking care of that child, nobody's gonna fuckin invite you to big, career-defining projects, ESPECIALLY as a woman, because people will assume you won't be able to perform to the same standard, 'cause you're splitting time between being a mother and being an employee. Within the vast majority of corporate environments (certainly within male-dominated ones), this specific project was her LAST opportunity to participate in a large-scale project that could get her a good reputation, and the people in the company not only would have screwed her over if she'd disclosed her pregnancy by passing her over for a project she was fully qualified for, but then had the GALL to fuckin ruin any possible benefits that project and what it could do for her career could've had by absolutely destroying her reputation and screwing her over ANYWAY, AND THEN OP DID THE SAME TO HER AT HER NEW JOB BY TELLING HER NEW JOB'S EMPLOYER THAT SHE WAS UNTRUSTWORTHY. Congratulations are in order, really! OP DESTROYED any chance that this woman had to advance her career in any meaningful way for the next couple of decades because he had to "do a little more work" and a project "suffered minor delays". Honestly baffling that anyone can defend this, at best he's an asshole and at worst he actively tarnished her reputation. Sexism in the workplace, folks! Always fun to see. (Just to throw this in here, because I KNOW people are gonna say it, yes there's a difference in the treatment of new mothers and new fathers. Both suck, but in this specific case, a woman has to choose between starting a family and furthering her career because a huge part of career-furthering opportunities spontaneously vanish when you become a mother. Fathers, of course, get WAY less slack for days off to be with their children, and in turn are forced to choose between keeping up with their coworkers or being a good father, but mothers doom any progress in their careers to futility by starting families 9/10 times).

[@NosyMo85]

@@shiki780 I don't know how exactly this Company operates, but to me it sounds like those Projects are a stepping stone to POTENTIALLY advance your career. So in what world would joining a critical Project when you KNOW beforehand, you're not gonna be able to participate for most of the time, further your career in any way? You think Corporate's just gonna look at a Datasheet: "Oh, M was part of that Project, give her a raise!", without considering the fact, that she willingly abandoned the Project? So it seems to me that her decision to join the Project actually hindered her Career, which it then actually did, but to me that makes sense and should have been clear to her from the start as well.

[@rodion1056]

I can't help but think in a few years we'll get a post saying "AITA for tell my ex-coworker's son that he turned his mom into a liar and it's his fault that her career is in shambles?"

[@ZackBogucki]

11:13 Absolutely lost it at "She came back to work and faced no repercussions" on the story about a woman who was, quote, "made into a pariah". This series is unhinged.

[@TheCowboyCurtis]

Two different people, yo

[@Voidkom]

It's such a weird flex, like he's saying: "Do I think they deserve repercussions? Yes, I do. However, we choose not to, because we're such good people".

[@legion999]

Different woman, dummy

[@huckthatdish]

@@TheCowboyCurtis he did later say “our company never punishes an employee for taking maternity leave” at the end of a post explaining in explicit detail how the company punished a woman for taking maternity leave.

[@michaelsevilla7579]

@@Ashuowl i’m like 95% sure OP isn’t in North America, OP shit on the US for it’s bad maternity leave, Mexico barley even has maternity leave laws.. could be Canada but i doubt it. Definitely either an EU country or maybe Asian

[@GilroyIronheart]

45:10 "I think we got one more left in us." Forty minutes left in the video.

[@horrorman0098]

NortherLion, I love your content. I love geoguesser and crosswords and generally ALL of it. The AITAs are so amazing. It's great in helping people see both sides of problems/disputes/arguments. Many million thumbs up! :D

[@lilydunst2496]

geoguesser, crossword and aita are my favorites!

[@saykhia]

The riff-tracks style commentary for that first AITA simply takes the cake 🍰

[@aberrant_bunny]

NortherLion! Bless you for this comment, I'm never going to call him anything else

[@hoteltrivago.3034]

Oh my god, the comment where the armchair psychologist assumes OP's children weren't close because of the mum was so Reddit, and then when OP mentions the fatal car crash, they *double down.* It's so amazing in a sad way.

[@drogane9608]

The title game on these episodes is frankly off the charts

[@SabertoothSeal]

Re: the bus story, I keep seeing this trend where people who ask for special, but still pretty basic, considerations are told to shove it because "there's no rule that says I have to." It's honestly starting to scare me how many people lack basic empathy. Like, sure, it's a free country or whatever, but another human being is asking you to be nice for 45 seconds. It's not that hard.

[@HugoGlz56]

I regarding last episode, although the dad was a weirdo, I don't think asking his son to have sex some place else is unreasonable.

[@Zebo12345678]

It's unempathetic to talk when people are trying to sleep, but it's also unempathetic to request people stay silent because you're trying to sleep. From the sound of it, they weren't even being all that loud. To me, that story is either an everybody sucks or a no assholes, but neither side of the story is really all that bad.

[@HugoGlz56]

@@Zebo12345678 I get that, but people act like putting any rules on who enters your house a is crazy.

[@MajorasWrath1]

>Individualism >compassion/empathy Pick one.

[@coledorillo6685]

I get that part. The part where I disagree with you is when the old lady throws a fit after OP responds by saying they will keep their voices down to whispering levels. It’s a public transit. Of course have respect for others by keeping volume to the minimum but you can’t demand someone to stop talking and then throw a fit

[@coledorillo6685]

The first post was so good, A blazing fire was lit under NL's soul

[@daviddebast3203]

Bruh i am so confused as to why the first one wasnt a clear cut asshole moment, and also this guy goes on AITA and then doesnt wanna accept that he may be the asshole

[@rossbennett-kennett9764]

@@daviddebast3203 reddit isnt exactly full of morally upright individuals

[@titaniawallace4223]

@@daviddebast3203 redditors are creatures, basically

[@daviddebast3203]

@@titaniawallace4223 and the guy that basically attacked an old lady on the internet because he feels like shes a bad mother, like chill bruh 😂

[@titaniawallace4223]

@@daviddebast3203 Didn't even get that far into the video at that point but I'm there now and holy dogshit this dude is actually a nutcase. 80 year old woman says "my daughters had two near-death experiences when they were very young which caused them to have a complicated relationship as adults" and this dude goes "well then you should have known not to sell a house to one of them dumbass" it actually fucking blew me away

[@Spaztar]

React Court started popping up in my recommendations, so I've been listening to it during my commute lately. The response to the elderly mom selling her vacation home to one of her two daughters -- who are estranged from one another -- that the mother was the reason they had no love for each other (after having read only a couple of paragraphs of context) was the most insane take I've heard in one of these yet. THEN after learning that a horrifically traumatic event that happened when they were young was the catalyst for their estrangement, the person doubled down on how the mother was making something that out of her control (and that no doubt traumatized her as well) worse with what she did. So then THAT became the most insane take I've ever heard in one of these videos. Reddit is full to the brim with some completely unempathic psychopaths. It'd be one thing if someone commented that and everyone disagreed, but like you said, the mom got ratio'd. People read that and thought it was a rational and sane reply. Easily the worst shit I've heard in one of these.

[@SKYBLUEPINATA]

Goated series to binge

[@casanovafunkenstein5090]

That HR story is really damning of the person writing it in terms of their professional integrity. In my country it's actually illegal for a work reference to do anything besides confirming that the person in question did hold the specified position during the period specified on their CV and we have some of the lowest employment standards in the developed world.

[@Awesomewithaz]

I don't wanna make any rash judgements but dude who said the mom caused the rift then doubled down after dead dad and one girl "doing something unforgivable" in a life or death situation where both did survive, needs help. He probably hates his mom

[@zzeroara9511]

Wouldn't be surprised if a murder documentary was made about that commenter in like 7 years

[@incidentlyaniguana2193]

@@zzeroara9511 The majority of Redditors agreed with him though. This truly says a lot about Reddit.

[@HolyDeviant1]

I never realized I had a Judge Judy-shaped hole in my life until now, and while no one can hold a candle to The Judge, you come shockingly close. Absolutely pog content.

[@NyancyCat]

and NL has the added bonus of not ruining anyone's life!

[@xXChipsAndGravyXx]

Yeahhh judge j is just such a cunt sometimes tho, NL is king.

[@guymann1660]

judge judy is an old idiot goblin lmao

[@Chopskee9119]

Ya know, that first story, I could almost understand for the first bit. If you sign up for some long term project, then immediately become unavailable to work on it for 7 months, I can understand a bit of backlash. However, spreading that ill will to another separate company is absolutely ridiculous, like she already left so just let the woman live her life already

[@gnupfo]

I think wether she should or shouldn't have signed up for the project pregnant, she had every right to do it, every right to use her maternity leave, and OP had no right to spread private information about her (that didn't even apply anymore as she wasn't pregnant anymore.) Therefore they're definitely the asshole.

[@iNuminex]

@@gnupfo If that kind of project really has such a major impact on the potential career path of the team members, then she knowingly sabotaged her team's potential reputation just so she could put her name under the project. I think it's completely fair to not trust her with team projects after doing something like that. And who is to say she won't act like that in the future?

[@gnupfo]

@@iNuminex OK understandable, but I think there's no question that telling a future employer that she is percieved as "untrustworthy" with no further context bc she completely legally used her maternity leave in a subobtimal way for the company is definitely too much and disproportionate because she has stopped being pregnant. You don't ruin a career chance because of that, you have to be aware of the consequences.

[@mattweber2512]

@@iNuminex yeah this one really made it obvious that northernlion has near zero experience in this sort of setting.

[@NearoC]

@@iNuminex It's the company's fault for not bringing someone else on, not hers for being pregnant. She gave a month's notice for them to get someone in. She had every right to want into that project whether she knew she'd take leave or not, and the notion that she definitely premeditated it is baseless. Any kind of complication may have came up, as other people said the time she took maternity was oddly early in the pregnancy. The two scenarios are 'something came up' or 'she wanted to not do the work' which doesn't align with how they described her prior to the project, nor with her best interests with how badly they treated her in response.

[@TZerot0]

"thats why you don't buy an $11 blender" I'm dead

[@entityrj]

Gotta say something about the phone falling out of NL's pocket. I forget who said it, maybe maplh in some rocket league stream, but NL is indeed a complete psycho for carrying phone in pocket while he's sitting down in front of a computer for hours.

[@notrab13]

You are correct. It was a recent Rocket League eppie

[@stardust9831]

Why would you need to use your phone while you're using your PC? Your PC can do basically everything your phone can do. Sometimes my phone is nowhere near my PC all day and I don't even notice.

[@caeligocielo5634]

@@stardust9831 For me it's kinda uncomfortable to have my phone in my pocket when I'm sitting down, though I tend to sit strangely. Also it makes it easier to check any notifications that come in and I don't have to worry about it falling out of my pocket.

[@funkdungus839]

shirt pocket gang

[@litapd311]

@@caeligocielo5634 i also don't like sitting down with my phone in pocket

[@Dominator150395]

Now I'm no expert on project management, but if I had to put together a team for such an important project, I'd make sure I had enough people that work could continue smoothly if a couple of them had to drop out for any reason.

[@davidlazerz8564]

But that might cost 0.5% more on the budget and involve working 6 extra hours, clearly the woman who DARED use her company benefits when the company didnt want her to use them is at fault!

[@eltee704]

"YTA - A HUGE ONE" - [deleted] Based

[@Dukegroundflyer]

my newly favorite series is in for a perfect lunch break.

[@daviddebast3203]

Can i have an 1,5 hour long lunch break too? I mean i dont have a job right now but it sounds hella nice to have one that long.

[@coolfool183]

@@daviddebast3203 perhaps watching on double speed? i do

[@TheHeartlessFate]

This is the best series me and my gf watch while we do chores around the house it is amazing

[@kalerwenisreal1984]

I'll take a 45 minute lunch then 😭

[@PiKmInAnDmArIoRoCk]

Hr major here. In critical projects like that they should have had a plan for if a critical team member suddenly becomes unavailable. What if someone tragically dies or needs to take family leave? It just sounds like to me that OP is bitter that they actually have to do their job and replace a team member who 1. Gave a month notice which is more than enough time 2. Was good enough to be selected in the first place and likely did plan to be involved in the whole project. People forget that pregnancy usually actually does not go to term... some ridiculous stats about miscarriage in the first trimester means even if she did know then telling people in the first trimester would be risky anyway. Definitely the asshole

[@Pukabaiasa]

I've never seen NL mald so bad before, the first post was pure gold.

[@tickoyo]

The moment egg said "Party City" I was dying of laughter.

[@raycon511]

So here's a little collation of stuff posted either in the comments or as updates to that first post: -The interview for the project was not about qualifications, everyone interviewed was already qualified. The interview was about availability for the 10 months of said project -Multiple others interviewed turned down the position out of lack of availability -This was not a job interview, she already had a job at the company -The lady was 2 months pregnant at the time of the interview, and left 2 months into the project (presumably at the 4ish months pregnant mark) -Yes, in most countries what op did with the new employer would be illegal, however op stated a lot (like, a lot, a lot) that it isn't in whatever country this was in (and is very cagey about which country that is) and was in fact, a common practice -She faced no "professional" punishment (again, would be illegal if she did) but faced social punishment from her coworkers -The lady later admitted (if you take op's word) that she had applied for the project knowing full well she wouldn't be there for it's entirety, just so that she could put it on her resume -Op did not actually work with her or was around her

[@raycon511]

If you want my personal opinion (of course you don't it's youtube comments) ESH. The op for character assassination at the new workplace and the woman for lying (by omission) about her availability just for a resume boost. You can say all you want about "Yeah stick it to the corporations" but this was neither screwing over or being punished by the corporation, she was literally screwing over her workmates and they, in kind, refused to work with her because of it Edit: Also in the regards to the "Is it unethical? No but its mean maybe" NL take, then why isn't the employees the same thing? (the ones that didnt want to work with her, not HR dude)

[@mawillix2018]

@@raycon511 I cared about your opinion and I'm glad your opinion makes sense.

[@classonbread5757]

I mean if you don't take OP's word there then don't take it anywhere, what's the point?

[@isaacburgess1964]

"I responded: three minutes after you left the room"..... "Yadadadada" I was in actual tears LMAO

[@Brain-washed2]

"capsaicin level spicy" somebody in chat just learned what capsaicin was that day

[@zachbaer7070]

In the AITA subreddit, is it normal for OP to go through the comments defending themselves? I thought the whole point was that you put the situation out there and let the internet decide. The way that guy in the first one was responding to every comment saying he was the AH makes me feel like he was just there for vindication, and had already decided for himself that he was NAH. But I'm not really familiar with the AITA process, so if that's normal then I could be wrong.

[@caasinom8008]

How did a 78 year old woman find out about AITA

[@wolfengod8277]

I get that she nuked her career at her first work place, if I was one of the team leads I’d not want to put her anywhere too important after she returns but to damage her career in the company she moved to next was completely unacceptable. It wasn’t that persons job to be playing snitch for some likely competing business, let her either succeed or fail there but don’t sabotage her. This guy is likely still bringing up peoples mistakes that they made in pre-school, let people move on with their lives.

[@contentiouscritic]

This is the best take.

[@wolfengod8277]

@Whaka Tewhinau It’s more so that she has a history after she returns of holding information back (which while legally is her right) that may be relevant to wether she will be around to complete the work she is given. I just wouldn’t want to put her in a position that isn’t easily replaceable in case she does the same again. If she didn’t want to tell people that she was pregnant at the time that’s fine, and her legal right, but she really shouldn’t have applied to be team lead when she knew she wouldn’t be able to finish the project, to me that shows disrespect to the people she works with. Like I said though I find it more unacceptable to sabotage her in the next company, let her succeed or fail but don’t poison the drinking well before she has even done anything there.

[@thebellster]

Not wanting to put her anywhere too important after she returns is illegal in most first world countries, even the United States!

[@wolfengod8277]

@@thebellster It’s actually not though, unless you are saying openly that it’s because she might get pregnant or something then you will be fine. Just say that you put the person you thought was the best fit in the position. It’s going to be basically impossible for her to prove discrimination unless people are openly talking about it. She played the game, and she has to expect the company to play the game back. She should be allowed to make a fresh start somewhere else though.

[@contentiouscritic]

@@thebellster No? People are free to pick and choose who they want on their project teams based on things like personality (her being deceitful or untrustworthy). What would be illegal is the company expressly doing so because she was pregnant and took leave. But that's not why, people are doing it because of her deceptive actions that led up to that, not her pregnancy or motherhood itself. Imagine for half a second that one of the interview questions is "do you have anything that will prevent you from working on this project 100% of the time we need you to" and she says "no", then takes 7 months maternity leave. The issue isn't that she got pregnant and took leave, it's that she's an untrustworthy liar. Being untrustworthy is not a protected legal status.

[@1dr_wall769]

"We'll go fast, I promise." *40 minutes left in the video*

[@Thefuzzion115]

When he finally reads every post on this subreddit and moves to the subway subreddit we aren’t gonna be ready

[@Mocityspirit]

You’ve made me long for content I’ll never see

[@lexistential]

the more I watch this series the more im convinced reddit is an absolute nuclear wasteland

[@aqualitymagentachickenmask3298]

The comment sections on these posts always make you realize the average redditor has no concept of either office culture/workplace environment or just empathy for other human beings. Between the first one and the ‘AITA For preventing my 25 year old son from getting dome despite my wife’s wishes?’ Im starting to believe that reddit is always gonna go to bat for the authority figure

[@leejames929]

Reddit has always been a hive of scum imo

[@Правильноемнение-н4д]

With the son though, judging from the post, he is 25 but doesn't contribute at all - doesn't pay for rent or utilities, doesn't work, doesn't help with the chores etc. With that in mind, he is really not an adult but still a kid who is being provided with everything by his parents like a little boy. Since he has the same responsibilities as a kid, he should have the same priviligies and yes, follow the house's rules provided they don't break the law. Parent's rule maybe be overboard, in particular, the one where he needs to sleep outside. I don't think that not wanting for the place to turn into a brothel and being waked up by son, who, again, is just leeching on them, is ridiculous. Parents have the full right to be upset and honestly, the son should move out. Perhaps a compromise would be to help him out and pay for his bond and the first month of rent, but that behavior with no responsibilities as an adult and wanting to be treated as such definitely should stop. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.

[@hellshot8]

@@Правильноемнение-н4д you’re doing the same shit, so much of this is armchair psychology assumptions about the dynamic.

[@UCXEO5L8xnaMJhtUsuNXhlmQ]

@@hellshot8 also operating under the assumption that the poster is telling the truth/isn't making it up for attention

[@Правильноемнение-н4д]

@@hellshot8 That was the Reddit post and no one of us knows every single detail except for OP. I judge by OP's comment that the son doesn't contribute, or his contribution is immaterial.

[@baseballgenius3]

“In the US that would be illegal” Yeah. But in the US you get 12 weeks of parental leave per the FMLA laws, and those don’t guarantee off with pay, just that you can return to work in a similar role after 12 weeks off.

[@kidelliott7122]

I love seeing NL go off on these segments. His criticism and observations are so witty and incisive. 10/10 series.

[@Lemonlord777]

That first one was so spicy haha. I dont know if northernlion realizes how common these pro corporate views are in the US. Its very common for people to view pushing things to the limit of the law as smart business when a company does it, but when considering employee's decisions, regular people and management alike often consider an employee selfish if they make choices that put their own interests first while considering it the norm for the business to do so. Its a huge double standard. Ive definitely heard management at certain jobs ive worked discuss and joke about discriminatory and illegal actions

[@gavinjenkins899]

Yep, obvious double standard sums it up very nicely. "She took advantage of a position of power to pull one over on us, thus depriving us of the opportunity to use our position of power to pull one over on her. HOW DARE SHE!"

[@arksum6818]

Man, that guy who was defending himself for discriminating against a female ex coworker really kept digging his grave with every edit

[@Godigentil97]

Even if about once every 2 episodes, I slightly disagree with one of your takes, I am glad to see a reasonable person look at these posts. I mean, the OPs are often kinda problematic, but the commenters are unhinged.

[@orcmanzai]

"We'll go fast, I promise." 45 minutes left in the video - this is going to be godly

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

I don't personally think she should have interviewed for a project to just leave However she was completely in her right to do so and HR should have just said "okay" and gone with it

[@new0news]

I think its a sad take. We literally cannot have new people in the world unless women agree to carry them for 9months and then typically take a mat leave after that but yet the women should have to bear all extra bruden around that too? Here's a solution: Fully paid pregnancy and mat leave. Then no women can ever "trick" you into taking a job they might not be able to do. We shouldn't have half the population punished because of biology

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

@@new0news agreed. 100% from the perspective from a career or job. I'm only talking about taking on a specific project. One with a deadline, or one that needs all hands on deck Specifically if you know you won't be able to do it

[@new0news]

@@BeansEnjoyer911 I think it's weird to presume someone would take a job they know they cant do for literally no reason. The project mustve come with perks or career advancement otherwise why would anyone take it on. And if there are perks or career advancements that's the exact reason why women shouldn't be descriminated for being pregnant. it's not our fault thats how life works.

[@BeansEnjoyer911]

@@new0news let me rephrase I would not have tried to get into a project, for whatever perks, if I thought I wouldn't be able to contribute to the project in a meaningful way. I am not saying she isn't completely in her right. ALSO... She may have not known how much she would have needed to take off. My comment is built on an assumption that she knew she was going to end up being on maternity leave for the majority of the project. Which in my eyes, if it were me, I would have tried climbing the social ladder of doom in another way, so to not harm my coworkers

[@new0news]

@@BeansEnjoyer911 you didn't say "you wouldn't have" you said "i don't think she should have" LOL but ya keep walking back the statement until it doesn't sound so bad.

[@XThePrincessOfMusicX]

BRUUUUH this episode is nuts, i was like in a constant state of disbelief holy hell Love your rational NL, it's a messed up world and you are like the rock to hold it down

[@joshmcgraw1910]

All companies exploit your labor and if you ever dare inconvenience them you are vilified by your coworkers and then the entire industry. Lovely.

[@bode284]

So, I went over and looked the maternity leave guy profile and found this gem of a post he made "WIBTA If I told my wife that it is selfish of her not to go to work", unfortunally deleted by the mods

[@myrimu9829]

The comments on the first one killed me. It took so long to get to someone who pointed out the very obvious: all else aside, there was no evidence the woman knew she'd be leaving so early and it's incredibly fucked up to automatically assume malicious intent.

[@frankfilmic]

Some key info missing on the first post: it sounds like the woman worked at the company for a decent amount of time after returning from maternity leave, and she was competent enough that she was able to interview for and get hired at a better company. Did any of her behaviour during this period hint at her being unprofessional and untrustworthy? It sounds like the guy who made the post is smearing her whole professional reputation based on her (admittedly ill-timed) pregnancy leave, but he's conveniently not saying anything about how she operates at her actual job now that the leave is over. Sounds to me like she did the right thing: she mildly inconvenienced some people in order to get a job that she was qualified for, and now that she's done cleaning shit and puke 10x a day she actually became a valuable employee. But you know, can't jump to conclusions, it's only one side of the story, etc etc.

[@contentiouscritic]

Alternatively, she was already an employee there and was being interviewed to be part of a specific project, which she lied to them about her ability to participate in because she knew she was pregnant. She then took leave and didn't help that team at all during the project. So she is now a pariah, because she could have just said "sorry I'm pregnant and will be taking leave soon" instead of lying and creating problems. "Sounds to me like she did the right thing: she mildly inconvenienced some people in order to get a job that she was qualified for". You need to reread the post, also this take is atrocious. She isn't even qualified for the project because she is about to be gone for 7months (the bulk of the project time). Getting a job should never inconvenience the people you are going to be working for. That doesn't make sense, you're supposed to be providing value, not creating problems, and if you know you're pregnant lying to get a job just so you can immediately take paid maternity leave is actually super fucked. It's basically stealing. (She wasn't doing that, she worked at the company before the interview for the project. But your comment implied that the scenario I just described would be "the right thing")

[@thebellster]

@@contentiouscritic It's not stealing to exercise her right to paid leave. It's not lying to not tell your employer things that aren't their business. Wherever this company is, it's almost certainly illegal to treat her differently because she took her pregnancy leave. She's qualified for the project, because pregnancy cannot legally disqualify someone. Your view on this is completely at odds with how this stuff is supposed to work.

[@contentiouscritic]

@@thebellster Lmao "Your view on this is completely at odds with how this stuff is supposed to work." Because moral reality and social engineering often come into conflict. You are defending the absolute worst scenario this law can apply to. It can only make you look bad. This law is intended to protect women who have been working at a job or career and have contributed, who get pregnant and intend to take leave, and come back to continue work. It is not intended to allow pregnant women to lie to a potential employer, get hired somewhere with paid maternity leave (under the assumption they are not currently pregnant) and then immediately take that leave without having created any value for the workplace yet, only to potentially be a bad fit or not end up working there anyway. There is a reason for nuance.

[@thebellster]

@@contentiouscritic It's illegal to not hire someone because they are pregnant, so why tell a potential employer? The knowledge that someone is pregnant can only be used for illegal purposes. If employers don't want people taking paid maternity leave immediately after getting hired, they can add a waiting period before it can be used.

[@contentiouscritic]

It's not about pregnancy. It's about capacity. The law prohibits discrimination on the basis of pregnancy or motherhood, but not accompanying status like lying about being unavailable. It is unethical too knowingly apply to do a job you have no intention of actually doing, just for the resume boost, legal status of employment, or paid leave. Whatever the purpose. It's lying about your capacity / qualifications to complete tasks assigned.

[@aronripke9470]

NL is off the charts in these last 2 episodes, this is absolutely glorious

[@shaynemross]

Ooh shit let’s go! An hour and a half of watching NL argue with strawmen is what I’m here for.

[@davidwalston8219]

This has to be your best react court content so far

[@NyancyCat]

The insomniac with the worried GF is just kind of all around sad. Like I feel for the sleepless dude, it sucks not getting enough sleep, but when your girlfriend, someone whose wellbeing you're supposed to care about, is trying to talk to you because she feels unsafe I think there's some room for mutual understanding. People like the OP of that story are the reason I can't bring myself to ask family for help with things even if theyve said repeatedly that it's okay to ask, for fear of "bothering" them. Like...yeah. You had reasons to be upset. But that kind of response is childish and that relationship is headed to some rough waters if that's how OP is gonna treat GF. GF felt unsafe and wanted to hear from a loved one. OP treats her like the world's biggest nuisance and I wouldn't be surprised if that drives a wedge between them. YTA.

[@cooraa]

Right? I mean I totally understand that the boyfriend would be annoyed at her waking him up. But as you do many times with loved ones you just sigh and look past the annoyance. She's his girlfriend not some random stranger that wanted to hear his voice to feel safer. I can only hope OP wrote that post in a moment of frustration (like right after being woken up).

[@HahaHaha-fu6vk]

She put herself in an extremely dangerous situation voluntarily also knowing she’d be calling her bf who she knows has sleep problems??? Yea maybe the bf could’ve been more pleasant on the phone but she’s clearly the one who fucked up way more. Why not just stay an extra hour at the club and go home with the friend or call an Uber/taxi? Why do something dangerous that also fucks up your partner’s sleep?

[@cgijokerman5787]

​@@HahaHaha-fu6vk holy moly that response is nuts

[@HahaHaha-fu6vk]

@@cgijokerman5787 I mean i don’t think so. Of course the boyfriends should be supportive in the moment but overall you have every right to be very upset abt a decision that was made that negatively affected both people’s lives

[@knightenma6432]

Ryan "most normal guy alive" Letourneau

[@aberrant_bunny]

I think NL is wrong about the clubbing one. I think it is everybody sucks. She obviously could've planned better, but at that time it's too late to have an argument with her about it. He should've picked her up, taken her home and then talked to her in the morning about it when she was safe and sober, instead of blaming her while she's in the dark, scared, drunk, and trying to reach out for comfort

[@Kai-K]

Not through the video yet, but that's a great title

[@Astreniss]

React Court has been my go to while working. Top tier banter

[@s4db0i]

Damn that pregnant worker story really made me sad. The same people who are saying that he was morally in the right and not an asshole are the same people who think women aren't discriminated against in the workplace. No wonder happiness is dropping and people are constantly having to hop from job to job.

[@eewweeppkk]

I wonder if men are offered the same 7 month parental leave at that company. I won't say women aren't discriminated against, but contextually the woman in this story signed up for something knowing she would not be able to participate.

[@bonzupippinpaddleopsicopol7334]

For bus lady, if the bus had a good number of other passengers she’s a hero, but if it’s just the three of them I feel she’s basically saying “Hey I messed up big time by missing my bus and now you’re not allowed to make a new friend” which I would take some issue with

[@pedroff_1]

Damn, this is the reason companies love to convince people they're buddies, and the rights they fulfill is just a favour you should repay them

[@zzeroara9511]

ESPECIALLY in america. Idk why, it's pathetic our companies do that...

[@billpecoraro8421]

The first one literally reads like an employment law hypo. I hope M sues them the bastards.

[@Thoreaux]

On the first post I'm kinda with OP on the first half, and that comes from me putting myself in the employee's shoes. If I was being offered a new responsibility that would be good for my career, but I already knew that I'd be taking leave during most of that period, I'd have to be like "thanks for considering me, I can't do it," because as much as it sounds like corpo bullshit that is being a team player, and I don't want to throw my co-workers a curve ball that I knew would be coming their way if I accepted that position. Talking shit about her to her new employer was some vile shit tho.

[@apexrays139]

Good thing a more sane viewpoint exists in legality to keep people like you from discriminating against qualified woman from getting pregnant, NL said it well oh no nobody’s thinking of the company she definitely committed a wrong by exercising her rights and putting herself before a company who doesn’t give a shit about her clearly

[@dabmwlawnmower8089]

@@apexrays139 it’s not about her putting herself before her company, it’s her putting herself before her coworkers. This would have almost no effect on the company but it would be much worse for the individual coworkers there

[@eugenesis8188]

That first one reminds me of how everyone I know is excited when they find out they can just cash out their vacation time for an equal amount of extra pay. It's whatever if you need the money because you're in debt or something, but the company's not doing that to be nice to you. It's crazy how corporations have convinced people that they're being a bad team player by taking time off. It's the corporation's responsibility to pay you for time off that they're either legally required or agreed to give you. There is no circumstance where youre stabbing the corporation in the back by taking that time off as long as you give them the required notice. They should be prepared for that.

[@magicalcapi9148]

"wow she made a commitment for *LIFE* to dodge some months of work project. what a smartbum" - her co-workers

[@Hyorinmaruice]

"I am a 56 year old woman. How DARE you not accept my dibs." 12/10 content

[@litapd311]

i'm commenting and liking before the video starts (usually i only like before watching) just to say how much i enjoy this type of content and also this is one of the greatest titles for react court yet edit: wow, that first post. i'm happy NL pointed out the group project thing because it is screwing over some people over (but like someone said, maybe she thought she could work through most of it at first). but there's 0% chance that the boss is NTA. literally broke the law and ruined this woman's career for being pregnant? what a terrible person. and any of the commenters saying NTA have also lost their damn minds

[@elegofab1623]

Plz NL keep this series going. Its the perfect thing to turn on each week while doing chores around the house

[@RayVitoles]

The first OP is why this world is doomed.She is not only malevolent and evil,she is also stupid,a very dangerous combination.And the poor lady,as NL said,was just excercising her rights.She knew that telling beforehand she intends to get pregnant means she doesnt take the job.But that does not make her an asshole,it makes her human.Maybe she needed the job or the money to raise her familly.I would say that not only OP is the asshole,every1 in the company is the asshole except for the pregnant lady.I m glad NL made me laugh through that,cause it was a very dark story

[@Eclipse8502]

Vaporizing a $11 blender with a $600 blender is the based opinion of the man I have watched on KZbin for over 5 years

[@davidballantyne4492]

NL making fun of the HR person in the first case is the best content he's ever produced!

[@ryandeklerk9553]

Just to expand on what NL said in that first one: you owe your company no more work or loyalty than is in your terms of employment. The company does not care about you. Your job will not love you back. The whole point is that they company gets the highest value from you for the lowest cost possible. Take advantage of everything you can from any company you work for. Use all your benefits and all your legal rights. The company does not look out for you. Your coworkers don't look out for you. You look out for you.

[@MannFace51]

So it’s ok to say: “Hey I can work the entire summer without time off” and then one day go on a 4 month hiatus out of the blue and expect everything to work out fine? Employers don’t give a shit about you. But in that same vein, you’re also disposable. It’s a careful balance - but she went too far and got burnt. Too much punishment? Maybe. But that’s the risk you run when playing these sort of games. Ya play dirty, and sometimes ya get a little dirt kicked in your eyes. There’s a million trillion ways to make money and survive…..

[@Zebo12345678]

Completely agree, other than that very last bit. I think that looking out for your coworkers _is_ a way to look out for yourself. Being easy to work with and supportive of your coworkers makes everyone more efficient, which in turn makes you all as a team more lucrative to the corporation. That said, I think her employer was heavily exaggerating the effects of her taking maternal leave on the project. Treating it like some major deal that left the rest of the team scraping by, when in reality it probably just took a day or two of catching someone else up. I'd say that considering your coworkers is the right thing to do, but her situation had nothing to do with her coworkers. She did nothing wrong at all.

[@AdamBombChannel]

@@MannFace51 I disagree with what you are getting at here. I think society (especially less developed countries) does a fucking terrible job of supporting child rearing and birthing, and that it should be a community effort. Women get set years beyond at work to have children. I don't get the corporate loving stance here. It was the COMPANY's responsibility to hire someone to take over for the project. We as a society should be happy and do everything we can to support new births - and the woman should be allowed to do anything in her power to advance her career. If she had disclosed the pregnancy, you KNOW she would have been discriminated against for advancement. On a strategy level, maybe it lowered her goodwill with those close coworkers, but it SHOULD NOT be like that. Maybe that's a semantic argument to you. But again, she can be easily swapped out for someone else.

[@manbo1213]

@@MannFace51 how is taking advantage of the benefits your job gives you “playing dirty” lol

[@MannFace51]

@@manbo1213 she’s not even trying to use the benefits she explicitly would have as a pregnant woman. Never said a word about maternity leave (which exists to avoid these kinds of situations, entirely). She could’ve gotten *paid* to care for her kid while being off work. And we can talk about how things “should be” till the cows come home. Fact is, you can’t break the rules of a game and cry fowl when your BS blows up in your face. And if you want more community-based care for women and children, that’s fine, but you won’t find it in the cutthroat environment that is modern global capitalism - you just won’t, and never will. Closest thing you’ll get to that is in an agrarian society, and not a city. But clients have demands, deadlines, waste their time and you lose them. We don’t live in an ideal world, and that sucks, but career progression comes at a cost.

[@mountainliger9434]

In the first story she also gave them a month warning before she left that is more than enough time to find a replacement. That company deserves to go down for violating labor laws

[@BurnedSpace]

*’signs up for project that she knows she wont be there for’* *’nobody trusts her anymore’* wHy aM I bEiNg dIScRimINaTeD AgAiNsT hur durr

[@Zebo12345678]

@@BurnedSpace She did her part, then went on leave, as should be expected. They replaced her on the project easily. Her employer is making it look way worse than it is.

[@raycon511]

@@Zebo12345678 She didn't though? She signed on for a 10 month project, knowing she was already 2 months pregnant at the getgo (so she never planned to be their for the whole project from the onset), and the left 2 months in. She did this AND admitted to op that she did it for the resume boost

[@BurnedSpace]

@@Zebo12345678 No not as expected. If she divulged she was pregnant before thats a whole other thing. She was deceptive and manipulative and she ITA. end of discussion

[@Zebo12345678]

@@raycon511 According to who? The OP? He has no clue what her intentions were, and regardless her intentions aren't really relevant since she's not doing anything wrong.

[@bob8mybobbob]

Never self sacrifice for a corporation and think you’ll get rewarded for it. The hotshot up top doesn’t care about you and will leave you in the dust at a moments notice if it improves their bottom line. I was once called in for a lunchtime meeting where we were informed that the entire branch was closing effective immediately, no severance pay no paying out our unused vacation. My sister was fired for putting her bosses maiden name on a form (shortly after she was married) because it showed she was “not truly invested in the team” (three other employees were let go around the same time for equally stupid reasons). Women have to pass up opportunities all the time in order to have a family, good for her for not letting this one slip by. And no, the other people on the team were not “left in a lurch”. There’s no way she called into work one day and said “just had a baby, see you in 7 months”. The company had time to plan for her absence, but didn’t. They should have brought on another member sooner, or offered enough overtime money to make it worth it for the other employees.

[@kamatsu8]

Half the time in corporate environments like that, if she didn't apply for the project she wouldn't be a "go-getter", and if she did, she wouldn't be a "team player" because of the maternity leave. So there was a no-win scenario for her. That guy was totally TA.

[@mawillix2018]

Simple answer, apply, and during the interview tell them you might not be available for all of the project due to personal reasons you'd rather not disclose. If they accept, now you're not the asshole. If they don't, then you were honest, applied, and got the same amount of money, the same leave, the only difference is now you can say "applied for [project] but didn't get the position, possibly due to my pregnancy" instead of "worked on [project], really, trust me, don't fact check this" If she did it, just to be able to claim she worked on the project, then she clearly was taking a losing position, which is why I don't trust the OP's story to begin with.

[@tehwelorg]

@@mawillix2018 so a couple of things... Idk why saying you applied to a position but didnt get it would be included in ANY resume. and 2. they wouldnt really be able to fact check it regardless..at least in the US. most HR rules limit discussions to only objective facts.

[@mawillix2018]

@@tehwelorg She was not there for most of the project. Fact.

[@tehwelorg]

@@mawillix2018 and?

[@THEDONKAGE]

The first thread is so good. There's such split opinions, and it really shows the difference in cultures and laws. I can, personally, see both sides - sure, on the one hand, laws are in place and she is obviously entitled to maternity leave. But on the other, I totally understand that if this was a difficult project that required specific skillsets (which is sounds like it was) it wouldn't be easy to just "find another skilled and capable worker." She signed up for a project and did barely any of it before leaving the rest of her team to make up for the gap in the workforce. I understand it was for pregnancy, but it sounds like the problem wasn't it being *pregnancy* - it was an expected, intended duration of _not being there to work on the project._ She knew she wouldn't be there for a majority of the project, yet signed up without telling anybody she wouldn't be able to work for most of it.

[@TerraHunter]

The kid who did non of the work on the group project but came in at the end for the credit is the vibe I got from her since she knew she wasn't gunna be there and said she did it for her resume.

[@omgitskittyandjaja]

She gave a months notice. If they were capable of choosing someone else if she had told them in advance, they’re capable of finding a replacement. Yes, she did leave the project behind which, yes, created a problem (that is solvable). You’re using the most hyperlogical version of this because technically she caused an inconvenience, rather than understanding this on a level that uses empathy and thinking about her personal situation.

[@Thatguypat]

@@omgitskittyandjaja it's not just that she caused an inconvenience. It's that she knowingly and willfully caused an inconvenience in order to boost her own career at the expense of her coworkers. What she did was entirely legal but shes an asshole for doing it, and the social stigma it generated is completely fair

[@misha7829]

Ok listen. Signing up on a long project you know you will abandon in a month is shitty. If I was her teammate on that I would be upset too and that’s completely reasonable. It’s a very selfish thing to do so I can 100% see why noone would want to have her in their team on further projects in that company. Now from the sound of it, all it caused is a little stress and minor delays so noone got hurt. Hurting her rep in the new place of work is definitely an asshole move on his part.

[@RDDProductionz]

Agreed. If she knew she wasn't going to complete it (making it irrelevant that she got chosen in the first place, since I'm assuming she won't have it on her resume as she left early,) what was the point? I feel like NL tunnelvisioned on the latter issue. 100% OP's talking was the asshole move no doubt about it at all, but I believe the woman was in the wrong (not for getting pregnant, or taking the leave,) but for wasting their time with something that wouldn't pay off anyways for her.

[@MarukagePlays]

"I'm actively being killed" got me so good XD

[@yoyobeerman1289]

I do think that the modern tactic of offering generous benefits, but then shaming the people who actually use them is some of the most HR shit I've ever heard. HR isn't your friend, they literally exist solely to corral employees, and act nearly exclusively in the favor of the company. NEVER. EVER. TRUST. HR. That being said, I also think that a harsh reality that a lot of young women need to understand is that it's usually very difficult if not impossible (and selfish IMO) to have a career and a child simultaneously. You need to pick one and commit and be at peace with your decision. One of the first things you should have learned as an adult is that life is full of concessions. Your attention and energy is going to be split in half at best, and you'll end up being a distant (bad) mother at worst. Some people can make it work, the vast majority cannot. I also understand that in today's world, it's very difficult for families to operate off a single income, but as someone who both grew up pretty poor and also had a distant mother who was always working, having a distant (bad) mother was worse than being poor. You'll hear similar sentiments from others as well.

[@dukeee19844]

this episode of react court changed my life

[@eltee704]

that last one with the blender is a tricky situation ....without knowing their financial situation it's hard to know who the asshole is. if they are normally financially stuck it'd be understandable the wife would be uneasy about spending so much on a blender.

[@hawxchampion523]

Given OP said he'd like to use a "small portion" of his bonus on the blender, which is $600, apparently it's a large bonus, so I doubt they don't make at least some decent money. Not to mention, according to the OP she didn't express concern with the cost, she just said "Look at these blenders that are much, much cheaper than the one you're looking at" to the point of comically cheap, $11? Even $100 for a blender, if he wants one that will last a decade, that's not enough budget for a quality blender. This is why I think more married couples should have separate finances (each have their own bank accounts, but contribute X amount to a shared fund for family expenses each month), that way these issues don't come up.

[@GameAlicornLuna]

If you're looking at Ali Baba for stuff to buy, you're probably buying a bootleg that might burn the house down.

[@luketfer]

So much this. You don't buy quality off there...you buy it because you want something dirt cheap and DGAF if it breaks after two uses.

[@GameAlicornLuna]

@@luketfer There's a video of Ashens who tries to build a computer from scratch, using only the cheapest items from Ali Baba. It ultimately failed because the graphics card was fake.

[@luketfer]

@@GameAlicornLuna Oh I've seen it and even if the graphics card wasn't fake it would likely have fried itself in 2-3 days. The only thing you should really buy off of Alibaba (or Wish which is what Ashens used but basically the same thing) is stuff that's cheap enough that you don't care if it breaks. If i'm modelling futuristic terrain for wargaming, for example, I'll buy dirt cheap electronics off of Wish, doesn't matter if they break.

[@raritymademydress]

Love the takes you have for most of these, it blows my mind seeing some of these as NTA lmaoo

[@millenniumbo]

I used to watch isaac every night since 2013, now I only watch your react court videos, love that you're creating new and fresh content! Keep it up NL!

[@RawFishHeader]

People on this subreddit are fucking crazy. People are completely ignoring the fact that this person has basically ruined this woman's career for doing something she was legally allowed to do. She'll have trouble with jobs forever by being laybled as untrustworthy just because she had a child. I don't care what country your in, she doesn't need to tell you shes pregnant and you cannot decline her the position because she is pregnant. Just send off a good reference to her next employer and try not to ruin other people's worklives

[@BootupProcess]

For the sleeping one, he definitely didn’t hang up because they argued over the phone.

[@biggie_kellogs7919]

damn these are some though ones, some of these really made me think and feel so real conflict

[@Oobie14]

Silver lining for the labor laws guy: he provided NL with righteous content, and us the entertainment, at the low cost of another human being's professional well-being.

[@OfficialPikadex]

I was heavily leaning NTA for the first bit at first, but the more I consider it, the more I'm leaning to just YTA. Sure, she did take the project knowing she wouldn't be able to finish it, but she gave notice a *full month* before she went on ML, and hadn't been there for more than 2 months. Maybe it's just because I'm not familiar with a corporate environment, but that sounds like a lot of time for management to find a replacement and get them up to speed without much (if any) inconvenience to her peers, assuming it's not a hyper-specialized position. The second bit is hard YTA though, no question.

[@AppleJackApple]

But the main thing about the first situation is ultimately not the inconvenience she caused to her colleagues or how easy it would have been to fix it, but the fact that she was deemed untrustworthy afterwards and described as such. Imagine: you are a project leader and assigned a really important 6 months project. You can promote 6 people to your team. You interview them and 6 people are selected. One month into the project three of them come to you and say: "Btw, I'm pregnant so I am exercising my right for maternity leave. I always knew I wouldn't be there for 6 month to work on the project, but that resume mark looks nice, and it is completely within my rights after all." It IS completely within their rights of course. What do you do? You deal with the inconvenience: you manage workload, someone takes their tasks, you ask HR to get you more people, etc. etc., and you finish the project one way or another. Then one year later you are given a similar project to manage and the same six persons volunteer to participate in it, along with three new ones. Who would you choose? Do you really trust the ones who left the project last time? I dunno, I wouldn't pick them - why should I risk going through all the hassle again if I can avoid it. Which is basically what the situation is about. It is within her rights to not disclose her pregnancy and use whatever laws are there to her advantage in career, but joining a project you never had intentions to finish while concealing your intentions, and expecting colleagues to have the same level of trust in her - that's a little much. As for telling new employer this story: if it is legal, then absolutely share it - it is a part of her past performance. If it is not legal - don't share it.

[@matthewlizst7939]

Being in a corporate environment, it often takes a lot longer than a month to get approval to post another position - especially if the role isn’t vacant and it’s a sick/mat leave type issue. I’ve been in that kind of position before too - where you’re on a project and someone drops out of it. It’s stressful, especially if you’re banking on that project making your career, and I would definitely say that what M did was unethical if she knew she’d be dropping out of the project and leaving the rest of the team to pick up the slack… but it could have been an unexpected health issue, so you never know. That said, the HR rep definitely shouldn’t have given that kind of information to the current employer, so definitely TA for that part, since it involved personal information, which could be quite sensitive in nature. Just because it’s legal to share it, doesn’t mean they should’ve.

[@kloaf1131]

the issue imo is that it means she spent a lot of the project team's time just to waste it and now mid way through probably phase 1 if not phase 2 of a normal project. they have to find someone new to replace. Catch them up to speed. Make sure she gave them all the relevant files and stuff needed of the new guy. And teach them to replace things she didn't as well as he has to get accustomed to her style of work and organizing depending on the role and project. A minor delay in a year project could be a few months due to that and while in the end project it's not a big deal it could be costly.

[@JordanIdk]

This seems normal to me in the UK. She was well within her right to not tell them she was pregnant and end up in a project she couldn't complete. She didn't break any laws but you have to be realistic, if you omit the fact that you already know you can't complete 80% of the project then you're going to piss off the people deciding on your future at that company. You're also likely to piss off anyone on that project because they're now short-staffed and you knew they were going to end up like this when you made that decision. They're well within their right to simply not choose her for any major projects in future. It doesn't sound like anyone has a contract that dictates they'll be chosen for X amount of projects on a yearly basis. Companies contacting your previous employer(s) for comment on your performance and so fourth is expected in anything beside entry level jobs and if you don't agree that they're allowed to contact any employer from your work history then you're unlikely to be hired. Disclosing this omission would likely be fine as you've already agreed to it when you applied for the position. I think how this comes across will vary wildly based on the country you're in as the main bad thing was disclosing it to her new employeer but since it appears he's her former employeer this would be normal.

[@lanrik4582]

Disclosing it to her new employer wasn't the only bad thing, not to mention he didn't just describe what happened (which I'm not convinced needs to be shared at all, all it is really is that she was pregnant and took her leave) but started out by calling her dishonest and untrustworthy. You don't think never letting the woman join any projects again and treating her like a pariah at the company even though she's clearly competent and qualified, just because she dared to not disclose her pregnancy even though she was well within her rights to do so, is not a bad thing? People can be pissed of but who cares, that's literally just discrimination. Obviously people usually wouldn't even admit they're punishing her for that, but seems like OP didn't get the memo here.

[@goldenbamboo9725]

11:25 the clapping had me killed

[@Gycamo02]

If that lady sold the property on the open market it may have eaten up tens of thousands in realtor commissions.

[@Crantr0n]

Love when the Based NL Machine revs up

[@Zachpi]

Blender story is funny af to me, I think he should've gotten both and used the 11 dollar one until it dies to make a point it about buying low quality garbage.

[@donaldshults8957]

NL thank you so much for understanding worker’s rights and the leverage workers frequently give over to their crappy employers. Sincerely was impressed at your clear eyed focus on the human element.

[@legion999]

Except for the part where she wanted credit for something she didn't really do

[@guymann1660]

​@@legion999 oh boohoo, what are you? twelve? you think she's getting ahead? try caring about people instead of sucking on the boot crushing your head