Doomed To Fail At Launch? - The Fall Of Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite

[@Akshonesports]

Do you guys want to see a follow-up video about how MVCI as an esport has persisted in spite of its rough launch year?

[@SinfulSorcerer]

Yes

[@barrysmith4610]

Yes please. That would be great

[@adcrengar9877]

Capcom ruined this game, but people still play it. Steam numbers are sad though

[@skyecrumpler2923]

100%

[@truearea53]

@@adcrengar9877 I think you meant Disney ruined mvci

[@bluemondayparade]

i don’t think it’s what “capcom did”... but rather what “marvel did/didn’t allow”

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

Yeah, that's the case. Cause in MVC3 Capcom HAD to fight A lot with Marvel to get some of these characters like She hulk and Taskmaster etc since they are not part of the mcu

[@PKdororo]

This is true for something like the roster, but the trash visuals and terrible marketing/release schedule is totally on Capcom and their budget. If they spent more and delayed the game for a more inspired look, it could've at least been an attractive buy. Even if they had the fox owned characters( at the time), the game would still look like doo doo and die.

[@bluemondayparade]

@@PKdororo i think the marketing should be a fault that is shared... visuals & mechanics falls on capcom

[@The_WIll_OF_D99]

@@PKdororo it would not. The fact you say that shows how little you actually know shit. The gameplay was the best. The characters EVERYONE HAS BEEN SAYING is what's lacking. If it had the characters. It would have sold much better 🙄

[@PKdororo]

@@The_WIll_OF_D99 Haha. Looks like I hit a nerve. Notice how I said nothing about the gameplay. That's because yeah, I agree the gameplay is good. Which I think supports my argument. The game is good, so what killed it? Oh yeah. The trash visuals, bad marketing, and shitty content. Fighters was the better package at the time. Better gameplay? Debatable. But the game was polished, had good marketing, and decent content at launch.

[@OGEdger]

Blame Disney. They tend to ruin ips that weren't originally theirs.

[@linkisoptrmm]

@No Name what about captain marvel

[@ThatFedoraGuyyy]

@@linkisoptrmm While fine on its own if you ignored all the controversies... Yeah no that's pretty much it.

[@fgcmiloboyyo1550]

@No Name They ruined my child hood hero...Iron Man Jr.

[@josesosa3337]

Yep. (Thinks back to spectacular spiderman)

[@chasesigler9885]

@@linkisoptrmm yeah captain marvel wasn't groundbreaking but it was pretty good

[@ZarelidT]

Wow this is an actual esports channel. That talks about all different genres of games and not JUST mobas and shooters like THE SCORE. I’m liking and subbing all these videos from now on.

[@Theophiloz]

Right!?

[@KillaSmit20789]

E sports 🤣🤣

[@charredolive]

Score is so awful. No I don't want to hear about s1mple's sniper throw every fucking video

[@illford]

@@KillaSmit20789 I mean. The prize pools are getting pretty big now and at least you don't get a reputation for being a rich snob off it

[@mikvance]

I almost forgot EVO existed because of TheScore.

[@Thuglos]

The worst part about mvci? Strip it down to the gameplay mechanics and its FANTASTIC. The game is a blast and has so much depth, but everything around it was such a failure that it could not be appreciated properly. Some things that weren't discussed in this video: 1. DLC announced before the game was released angered a lot of people especially because the main roster was already so scarce. 2. The collectors edition was a complete embarrassment. It came with "infinity stones" that were literally colored eggs. Like ones you fill with candy on Easter. I believe the collectors edition was an extra $60. 3. Capcom failed to advertise/give incentive to attend grand finals of their infinity stone tournament. Watching the top 8 battle it out in an empty hotel banquet hall was super awkward, especially when Cloud was crowned the winner to absolutely 0 applause. I believe capcom did their absolute best considering how good the core gameplay actually was. Disney probably gave this project 0 priority resulting in low budget, low communication, and only wanted a project done by a specific date.

[@chistophersapp2888]

This is so true. After getting into both MVCI and Dragonball, I think MVCI is clearly the better game from a gameplay standpoint. Sadly everything else around it caused it to fail before it even released. Sad story smh.

[@gizoid5526]

Looked horrendous to look at, and it was blatantly obvious that it one one big mcu advertisement and that alone pretty much affected everything that wasn't gameplay

[@adcrengar9877]

It shows how much the devs really cared about this game (they didn't)

[@Protosilver97]

Well, technically all this franchise started because of advertisement, the X-Men were the most popular Marvel super hero Team in the 90's and the first entry was COTA (or XVSF, if you don't count COTA).

[@Protosilver97]

@@adcrengar9877 Well, the characters part isn't their fault, but the graphics part it is.

[@pedrogarcia8706]

Fox never owned the characters, they just owned the film rights to those characters. Disney still held the rights for most of the characters in games (I think sony still owns the game rights to Spider-Man) so if they wanted to they could have included them in infinite. The reason they chose not to is because they considered using those characters in other media as essentially advertising for fox's films. Same reason they stopped writing fantastic 4 comics.

[@lennywright5655]

Sony doesn’t own the video game rights to Spider-Man, they just pay for the license, same situation as Fox (was).

[@pedrogarcia8706]

@@lennywright5655 you're right, they only own the film rights.

[@LostOneOmega]

And Xmen

[@possumlodge5368]

Marvel has been doing this with a lot of IPs they sold the filming rights for. Essentially making something worthless so they can scoop it back up and start over.

[@keyblader2k6]

i dont know how/why people get that idea wrong so often. movie rights, tv rights, video game rights, comics rights etc etc are all each completely independent from each other

[@SourRobo8364]

Marvel practically generates a billion dollars a film now, but can't be bothered to give a decent budget for their video games.

[@dimassrio]

TBF, its capcom video games, Marvel only lease the character and get the money, not the other way around.

[@MrMarinus18]

That usually means though an unmovable deadline. Because there is so much money tied up into it Capcom is absolutely forbidden from delaying it or going over-budget. Otherwise Marvel will just go to someone else that the deal is far too lucrative for Capcom to afford that.

[@Monty2289]

@@dimassrio The project is still superceded by Marvel. Capcom makes the game but they are beholded to what the other party wants due to licensing, costs and deadlines. This game failed because Disney Marvel believed that Capcom isn't really worth their time and just wanted the branding for new movies. A lesson you think capcom would have learned by now with Ultimate

[@MrRukrio1]

as a pokemon fan, the "they're just functions" statement hit differently no thanks to Sword and Shield.

[@nintendolife25]

Ugh, reminding myself of the game triggers me.

[@vovabars1234]

Thank God they brought back my bois in DLCs

[@helloill672]

@@vovabars1234 Don't those cost like 40 bucks each? Is $40 really worth getting some Pokemon that should've been in the original release?

[@CalmEnergy2125]

@@helloill672 you dont have to pay for the dlc to be able to get them, you can still trade them in, you just cant catch them in the wild

[@helloill672]

@@CalmEnergy2125 True, but it still would be less convenient. It's like one of those high end prizes in games. Technically you can get it if you grind, but it was really ment to be bought with in world money

[@blvk3]

the whole point of a cross over game is the characters that you love, hands down. wolverine and magneto represents the marvels side and without them, the game has already failed

[@John-Stark]

mostly because the X-Men are what STARTED the MVC series

[@gren8te319]

i think my biggest complaint is that they didn't bring the comic book cell-shading from umvc3

[@darkherostardustchannel3699]

There is cell shading in the coding, sadly Marvel wanted the game to be more like MCU and use realism.

[@fukaze2021]

Marvel vs Capcom : Infinite? more like MCU vs Capcom : Finite

[@ryanjstannard]

First Marvel Vs Capcom, now Marvel’s Avengers. Damn Marvel really hasn’t gotten the hang of video games lately.

[@Hawkingbird1]

Ultimate Alliance 3 and Spider-Man did well.

[@ryanjstannard]

@@Hawkingbird1 spider-man was technically Sony, and Ultimate Alliance 2 was made over a decade ago. Yes Ultimate Alliance 3 was made recently, but was got so-so audience acclaim.

[@Hawkingbird1]

@@ryanjstannard If it ends bad blame Marvel but it's good praise the publisher? Is that it?

[@ryanjstannard]

@@Hawkingbird1 I don’t know why you think I’m praising the publishers? I never claimed Activision was responsible for making Ultimate Alliance 2 a great game. 🙄

[@djhero0071]

I’d say Insomniac worked their asses off to make Spider-man PS4. But Disney’s bum ass still meddled since earlier this year, they changed Peter’s face to look more like Tom Holland. It’s off putting as FUCK because of how young he looks now.

[@gentlemanredefined]

People always ask "when's mahvel" but never "how's mahvel" 😔

[@bluevelocity9166]

I’ll do you one better “Why’s mahvel”

[@ZarelidT]

Old meme lol

[@Jsslade]

Where's Mahvel?

[@Dre2Dee2]

no one cares anymore

[@blitz-frenchman663]

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one saddened by the constant absence of Juggernaut in the new MvC games.

[@ThirtyfourEC]

I never get tired of the retelling of this game's failure. Just glad Capcom didn't try to call it MvC4

[@DemonicRemption]

@ThirtyfourEC I think there would've been a massive eruption of rage of which would have made recovery impossible had they done so.

[@TonyMiguel-ko7cz]

Incels keep crying. You killed your own favorite game

[@Cringycoot]

Saw this video just when i started getting into mvci: There is actually a very active , albeit smaller, scene for mvci. people has tried the game when it was on sale, and kind of came out of the stereotypes of the graphics and bad story mode: the majority of the competitive cast cared more about gameplay then the story, and the graphics, while not being great by all means, were slick enough to not become distracting or constantly reminding. regarding the cast, it was a give and take: we got several, new and awesome newcomers such as the aforementioned X, Sigma, Thanos, Nova and others, even though some fan favorite ones didn't make it, especially x-men characters. When regarding the gameplay, it is actually quite good - there are less centralizing characters then umvc3, and the majority of the cast is at least playable. combos can still be long, and the game is still hard, but it does a good job slicking the learning curve for newcomers. The infinity stones, while sometimes being niche, are actually quite an interesting mechanic, as it can affect your playstyle and gameplan orientation more then the characters you choose in some cases. I am not going to say MvCI was an overall great game: it clearly lacked overall as a game, and the budget or effort put into it was definitely smaller than in past entries. However, it's still has a fun gameplay, featuring cool newcomers, interesting mechanics, great online and a secretly active community.

[@nikhilbhavani981]

I get what your saying, but Nova isn’t new. He was in UMvC3.

[@Cringycoot]

oh, my bad then lol. of course, there is no problem with prefering dfbz or umvc3 over infinite, just thought it would be cool to show the other side of the story @nikhil bhavani

[@Cringycoot]

@@lightknight1599 ye sorry if my language isnt the best, not a native speaker :/. fixed it now

[@toastytoastuwu6043]

Did you know Bubble boy was in MSH and MvC2 Oops, forgot his name was Thanos

[@15OgLoc]

Never heard of that stone tournament, probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

[@xmarksthespot1372]

The rules sound really stupid...

[@magillagorilla57]

The old champs vs new players part was cool, but yeah, the stone thing was really goofy

[@keyblader2k6]

@@xmarksthespot1372 it was 100% gimmicky. even if the rules on how/when to use the stones were more consistent, the very nature of changing your opponents button layout, their characters, or even allowing you the first hit in a game/match isnt fair, period.

[@grinbrothers]

A pretty neat coverage of the history of Marvel vs Capcom Infinite with a decent usage of clips throughout. I knew a lot of the development stuff regarding the game but the interview clips with Brutal Democracy (think that was his name), the hilarious sounding Battle for the Stones tournament and the post-revival of Marvel vs Capcom 3 were all new to me. Fantastic job on this fascinating video!

[@gc3k]

For a long time, "functions" was an accepted talking point among fighting game communities, which Combofiend was a part of. This was an especially prominent excuse for the years-old sprites in KoF '94-XI. One good thing to come out of the MvCI failure was showing how unpopular that line of thinking is. Pure technical analysis, and ignoring everything except hit boxes and frame data, has an important place in strategy and development, but art, presentation and characters can never be discounted

[@brunonotthemars7856]

IT'S MARVEL, BABY!

[@b9morion]

NEXT YEAR FASHO, BABY!

[@luisreyes1963]

Is it? 😒

[@armorx9638]

@@b9morion Thats what they said last time too...

[@KillaSmit20789]

@@PlausiblyBryce Boy that's just crazy

[@emina15]

The only good thing to come out of MvCI was that cutscene with Hulk throwing Ryu at a Frenzied Dah'ren Moran while he Shin Shoryuken'd it.

[@enkiduthesin-slayingbeast5306]

1. Ryu satsu no hado turn into power of nothingness shoryuken 2. Captain America and winter soldier special move

[@thelastgogeta]

3. Thanos taking the Satsui no Hado at the end.

[@Mark-pc1eb]

No the only best thing in the story line was that iron man forced Frank west to fight thanos

[@abdelali9279]

If there's the only game you can play, MVCI is solid, that happened in a place I worked at, we asked for UMVC3 but got Infinite instead becuase of a clerical error, since we couldn't bring our own games we settled for Infinite and it was good, but it also felt like learning an useless skill because outside our office's break room, no one played the game.

[@SUPERSMASHJONY]

I love how every year a different KZbin channel makes a video about this subject. I hope we get a new one on 2021.

[@GamerTowerDX]

Ok guys prepare your bets,who is beating the dead horse next year!?

[@Protosilver97]

@@GamerTowerDX Core A Gaming.

[@deco7217]

@@GamerTowerDX Sajam

[@El_Chuchuca]

NerdSlayer presents: Death of a Game Marvel vs Capcom Infinite

[@MoldMonkey93]

They wanted it to fail. They knew if it was good enough, we'd all leave SFV'S trash ass.

[@Jsslade]

Not to mention the MvC before it was simply too good to follow up on

[@atre5763]

Man. It feels like EVERYONE wants to make a "Why Marvel VS Capcom Infinite failed" video.

[@thelastgogeta]

Yeah, I was weary about watching this since Stumblebee and Maximilian already did a good job but this one gets bonus points for interviewing members of the scene and showing where they have gone with UMVC3.

[@Melanatedhatervibez]

This one of those dead horses ppl like to keep beating🤔

[@Melanatedhatervibez]

@@rastas_4221 no doubt

[@salbundy2451]

Also seems like EVERYONE loves to bitch about EVERYTHING

[@atre5763]

@@salbundy2451 too true

[@justcallmeseth]

Keef was right: BlazBlue wasnt out, it succeeded at first, but now, with the addition of Adachi, who I absolutely wanted, that shit died like MVCI

[@saltybk9357]

Ikr, BBTAG’s new characters are cool, I guess, but dang the game isn’t really fun for me anymore

[@captainmega6310]

Had a longer shelf live though

[@CalciumChief]

2:06 "Capcom". You know this was more Marvel/Disney than Capcom. Capcom would've loved to put X-Men and FF in there and make it look comic book-y rather than promote MCU movies. 6:34 Umm, yeah, no. They were not "owned" by Fox. Marvel ALWAYS had rights to all those characters, they only sold the MOVIE rights to those characters. The only reason for keeping any of those characters out of the game was potentially giving movies not made by Marvel free publicity.

[@JuggerDrops]

"Boy That's Just Crazy!"

[@trunksfgc3840]

I don't know why it fail, but I know why you'll succeed. Keep up the great work

[@trunksfgc3840]

@ I don't know

[@yaeven4943]

...

[@xXSilverMCXx]

how fitting this is posted the day after the MVC3 Lives Twitch Rivals event. It's always mahvel time baybee

[@ToruKurosawa]

I really find that Max guy super annoying.. his reactions are way ott and seem really staged..

[@magillagorilla57]

Max is kinda corny, but he's done a lot to support the community too. I don't watch his stuff, but I do respect him.

[@TehShooterx]

Might've seemed that way but marvel is Max's favorite series of all time. Was definitely genuine, he loves marvel

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Does it? When he sees something he genuinely likes his reaction to it seems genuine too.

[@wesleytrout4931]

Dude has always been cringy.

[@Arc_ride]

recorded reactions are cringe period

[@Candysweetcandy]

MVCI: "Welcome to the club" Avengers: "Well, ..."

[@el_yake]

My 2 sons & I have been playing MvC (the first one) for awhile now and recently we came across the 3rd one at a local game store, bought it and loved it. Then I found MvCI cheap on the playstation store & bought it for 9.99, thinking I got it for a great price. Played it and we immediately didn't care for it. Even my 4 year old when he saw the roster to MvCI was like "where's Magneto?" The 9.99 I paid then began to feel like I paid too much now. I found the 3rd one again but the ultimate edition & got that for another 9.99 and upon playing it I had this sense of feeling like "ah, this is more like it." I hope we get another version restored to its original glory one day but for now, My kids & I will be on MvC3 Ultimate!!

[@Tundric_Schwolf]

People sure did love complaining about X character not being playable when 80% wouldve left them to rot anyways if they were low tier lol.

[@BEyondViewtiful]

MVCI fell as soon as they said no X-Men will be present 🤦🏽

[@mitrikgaduk347]

Dead serious, I remember that line. All these characters are just "functions". Holy fuck. When I heard that was their "excuse" for not including X-Men/Fantastic Four/etc, I fucking blew it. I had been following the Disney Marvel scene for some time after the acquisition. I saw what they did to the X-Men in the comics as they tried to replace them, ruin some of the best characters, and basically sent the Fantastic Four behind the shed never to be seen unless they wanted to drive up sales. I saw how they started removing these characters from games and there'd be less and less of them. But this? This was one of the opportunities to put bullshit business aside and give the fans what they want.. Instead, they spat in our faces, and this is what was the result of that. Oh the amount of fanboys who defended this game after the trailers, saying how it wasn't a big deal, etc etc, oh my, yeah, they'd still probably defend this game even now. Personally, I stopped playing many fighting games after it became far too expensive to support. I recently bought SC6 cause' they had a good deal and I got to get back into a franchise I enjoyed in my teens. I can't say the same thing for FighterZ, it's way too expensive, and I never catch sales. Meanwhile Tekken 7 has a complete edition which is a flat price with all content, no bullshit, no confusion, pay one price, get all the content. Other games just don't do that anymore which makes it so difficult for people to even want to get into these games now, especially those who care about cosmetics. Like, you are literally staring at the character you enjoy playing as ALL DAY LONG, ofcourse you should care about cosmetics! Anyway, yeah, this game brought out a lot of bad blood for me, as a long time Marvel fan who has been jaded and apathetic for years, this really did make me feel at least something for a franchise I once I enjoyed. I'll give Ultimate Alliance 3 some credit here, atleast they gave us the characters we wanted via DLC like the Fantastic Four.

[@del2684]

Even with the wack roster the game actually failed because of the horrendous mechanics. They removed assist so the game pretty boils down to switch spamming lol. They also tried too hard to make switching punishable by making the characters you switched out from stay on the field a little too long so "happy birthdays" happen more frequently.

[@zaperated3398]

"Swiss cheese swiss cheese swiss cheese", Wolverine (Marvel vs. Capcom 3)

[@magillagorilla57]

The greatest "buff" of all time. Lol

[@BeingADik_Jacob]

Marvel should just make their own game, they don't need capcom anymore

[@Jsslade]

And vice-versa of course.

[@tforde2143]

I like Marvel but when he said Blazblue Cross Tag Battle I shot out of my seat. Heck forget Cross Tag Battle I never thought I'd ever hear him say Blazblue. I personally would love for a touch upon the Blazblue series. Whether its Cross Tag Battle or Centralfiction. I guess it would have to be BBTag because it's most recent. But damn that or a video on Undernight In-Birth.

[@GlassGolem]

BBTag was the death blow because it was a 2v2 fighting game just like MvCi. Essentially, people who were upset at MvCi could play DBFZ if they wanted to play something more like classic MvC, and could play BBTag if they wanted to try out this 2v2 fighter thing. (Don't quote me on any of that; I was never a fan of MvC, so I don't actually know what MvC fans thought of BBTag. This is just a sequence of events that makes sense to me.) None of which is to say that MvCi is a bad game, or that BBTag is obviously superior, because that's not the case: MvCi may be no masterpiece, but it's an alright game. And while I may prefer BBTag, it's no masterpiece either, just ok.

[@saltybk9357]

Me over here still waiting for an update for over a year

[@captainmega6310]

Under night would interesting

[@B18bVtec]

The hype isn't mvc3, it's in mvc2, this whole video just hides it and doesn't even talk about mvc2.

[@jkt3sc]

MvC3 is though, and unlike 2 you have way more tournament viable characters. Not saying 2 isn't hype but you're full of it if you think 3 isn't especially seeing as it just pulled in an over 30,000 viewer tournament on twitch.

[@sleazyfellow]

When people think mvc they think of 2. Truly one of the last great arcade games. Capcom doesn't release it again because it would of taken infinites thunder away big time..

[@jkt3sc]

@@sleazyfellow People who grew up with arcades think of 2 especially since that's the start of the fighting game dark ages where no new fighting games were really being made by capcom so the only games people really were playing on a competitive level were 3rd strike and MvC2 especially in america. In 2008 SFIV was released and was such a big success it completely revived the Fighting game genre and the FGC to the point that EVO was able to grow to the level it did. Ignoring tatsunoko due to WII exclusive, MvC3 released in 2011 as the FGC was Growing to the heights that it has reached today and has created some of the biggest FGC personalities and rivalries in the communities history with the added effect due too the success of twitch and youtube. Most people who play Fighting games today weren't around during MvC2 as that game was made 20 years ago and was only available to most people in arcades and for a short period of time on Xbox Arcade and Whatever PSN was called on the PS3. Reality is most people haven't played MvC2, which isn't to say it's a bad game just an effect of it being hard to get legally. The fact that most people haven't played it could lead to really high sales though if marvel and disney ever allowed it to be sold again and if it does happen we could see a resurgence in the game again. All in all though fuck Marvel Infinite.

[@sleazyfellow]

@@jkt3sc it didn't only come out on the ps3 psn and xbox arcade for the 360. I had mvc2 on multiple systems, for the dreamcast first and foremost, then ps2, then on the 360... I'd buy it again if it was available on the modern systems. Throw in the powerstone collection and I'd buy that again too. Fighting games might of had a comeback but it's nothing compared to those early to mid 90s days, every time I'd visit an arcade there'd be something new.

[@jkt3sc]

​@@sleazyfellow True on ps2 and xbox my mind ignored them due to fightsticks my bad although not till 2003 in NA, dreamcast wasn't owned by most people though. Again though MvC2 was created in the 2000's not mid 90's, a time where everyone was in awe of the graphics of the ps2 and xbox, and DVD's became the new medium for Movies and TV. Kids in this era generally were playing split screen shooters like Halo, GTA, sports games, etc and when they would go to the arcade they would again play 3D games just off the top of my head games like time crisis, artic thunder they weren't playing 2D fighting games especially so much that the game engraved in there heads. The only Fighting games being played in most peoples houses were all 3D fighters like soul caliber, tekken they were realistic, gritty, ton of content, and great to just pass a controller around without actually trying to get gud. If MvC2 came out during those mid 90's then yes it would be better known to people, but it didn't it came out during a period were everyone owned a ps2 and an xbox and the last thing they wanted was a sprite based game.

[@sonictrain1]

3:19 bad cut. I caught that!

[@djhero0071]

This was a really fucking great video! It didn’t go as deep as the Wha Happun video from Matt McMuscles but kinda expanded on it while treading some new ground into the MVC community as a whole. It was dope. I wanna give a few thoughts on what happened to MVC:I myself. I feel like there’s 3 huge problems stated here that ultimately killed the game overall; Functions, demo, and release. Now personally I’m a Spider-Man main so it didn’t affect me as much. To hear those characters that people love like Wolverine and Doom not coming back and just being reduced to functions though, it’s like not having Jeffery McWild in Virtua Fighter or E.Honda in Street Fighter. They’re mainstays that have history in the series that people would miss. I don’t know if knowing all their voice lines and stuff is true but they’re endearing to players beyond just their moveset. Combo fiend could’ve easily said “for reasons we can’t discuss (or at this time), we weren’t able to add these characters from this franchise but we’ll announce any plans we have later on”, keeping the door open to adding X-Men and F4 characters later without running Disney or capcom under the bus. There’s also the demo which is just ass. First off, it’s single player. No multiplayer option. FUCKING MARVEL VERSUS CAPCOM 2 ON THE PLAYSTATION THREE HAD A DEMO THAT HAD A VERSUS MODE!!! Secondly, it was story focused that had overly long and awkward cutscenes WITH NO FUCKING EXPLANATION HOW THESE CHARACTERS KNEW EACH OTHER! AND THATS HOW THE FULL RELEASE STORY STARTS!!! (That still makes me mad to think about too). Finally, there was the final demo fight against Ultron Sigma WHICH YOU CANNOT WIN!! Everything about that demo just showcased the fucking WORST about the game while barely giving a chance for the actual gameplay to shine. Sure, you could play as multiple characters but that shit was limited to 90 seconds and it was against brain dead lifeless A.I robots. Especially considering most people who were getting to experience the game at E3 with a VASTLY different demo, this left just about everyone who didn’t have access to E3 with a VASTLY different (and more negative) impression of the game. It was just shit and Disney and Capcom should be ashamed. Finally in my rant was the fucking release which feels like the dumbest shit. Sure, they could’ve had their reason of wanting to have it released for their fiscal year portfolio (or whatever business term shit) or just to make it in time for the holidays except this shit released in September. It had the budget of a single DLC from Street Fighter V. Regardless of their reason, they had all the fucking reason in the world to fund it more and delay it until November or FUCKING HELL, DELAY IT SEVEN FUCKING MONTHS CLOSER TO THE FUCKING MOVIE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO HELP PROMOTE!!! Just so much fucking bollocks and this is one that makes almost zero sense to me. There’s more problems like the story being garbage and shit outside of the game that this and many other videos have gone through but these are my personal top 3 problems that killed this game IMO.

[@spazerabanekozeroshki]

One thing that I don't see people talk about is the arcade mode It is a piss poor of a job. You don't even get to see character endings you just win alternate color patterns. Even then once you finish one fight in the arcade you can exit and earn the color like wtf you can cheese your way through unlocking the rewards

[@djhero0071]

I didn’t even know that fucking game had an arcade mode. All I ever heard people complain about was the story mode and visuals. They could’ve added backstory for the story mode in arcade endings. If you really can just cheese your way through unlocking stuff from the arcade mode then I guess that just shows you the amount of effort put in.

[@thelastgogeta]

In less words, MVC:I would have done better with no story mode. It only served to damage the game's reputation both ad a finished product and prior to release in trailers and a demo. It is understandable that they thought that it was a standard since Tekken 7 had a terrible story mode too but that game didn't present itself around the bad bits first and people had a long time in arcades to appreciate the good stuff.

[@djhero0071]

Personally, I think story adds character and intrigue to a game if done right. The story mode journalist portions of TEKKEN 7 are fucking stupid as hell but I appreciate the attempt. A good story mode can elevate a game to greatness and make it memorable, especially if the gameplay is good as well. I don’t think taking the story away would’ve been the right answer. Maybe allowing the length it needed and letting it build would’ve been the right way. Like, don’t take the Guilty Gear XRD approach and make it a visual novel but fill out the reasons why Ryu and Iron man are fighting. How the worlds came together. Follow the example of the Marvel films in the one area that should be copied: the motherfucking storytelling (within reason since that shit is still a fighting game after all).

[@kmochi-]

awful looking game, but otherwise great mechanics and one of the most fun to play fighting games

[@deadster3504]

I actually liked the game lmao

[@donald3335]

Imagine caring about graphics

[@soapbiter36577]

@@donald3335 Yeah, you're right. We should just close our eyes and totally ignore what we're looking at while playing a game.

[@DarkPh0enix25]

@@donald3335 this is such a BS mentality that always gets thrown around. Sorry I care about the way things look?! Graphics are a big part of games and pretending that it’s vain to care about it is such an immature attitude.

[@notimeforcreativenamesjust3034]

@@donald3335 im sorry but for fighting games you NEED good looking art style and graphics.

[@nehemiahpouncey3607]

3:33 dood was soooooooo happy. But little did he know his expectations would run low.😂

[@SJMS.x0930]

I knew from the moment they said that there would be equal control and input that Disney was going to control everything and was just going to be a watered down version of UMVC3

[@keyblader2k6]

2 things i would have added in: 1) that same interview with combofiend, the marvel representative legitimately suggested that people might not remember the x-men, despite the fact that x-men movies have been in theaters for over 15 years and even a few more being released shortly after infinites release. 2) while much of the blame does indeed rightfully goes to marvel/disney, some of it does have to go to capcom because they ultimately agreed to work with them even with all of those restraints. theres no other legitimate reason as to why capcoms side of the roster had to faulter as well because its highly doubtful that an outside company could/would dictate what characters capcoms end

[@dcfanproductions]

I don't care if it's based on MCU the X-Men built this franchise and they got rid of them

[@paulakroy2635]

Just wanted to post Liam Robertson video. Capcom is clearly the ones who basically straved this game of funding giving it less than half the budget of sfv dlc so it's no wonder that this game flop and it deserved to flop. Here's a link to the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/aZzEn3x5rMp_fK8

[@wingmatrix]

Well the video you linked said a lot about it floping

[@bludika]

i knew MVCI was doomed when they had no X men chars lol

[@wakkaseta8351]

*"With many considering MvC2, to be one of the best fighting games of all time"* - * CvS2 fans raise their collective eyebrow *

[@chiptuna8292]

The fuck is a CvS2?

[@juro7854]

The Millenium Fighting 2001 is about to begin. Hardcore fans have been eagerly anticipating this event and now the waiting is finally over. Check your training wheels at the door, ladies and gentlemen. This is gonna be one incredible battle that won't easily be forgotten. The time has come when the new history is going to unfold. You can feel the intensity in the air as the hopes, dreams, and hearts of these warriors are about to be put to the ultimate test of skill. What they are after is the title of the world's strongest. Now, are you ready to get it on?

[@Fooza05]

@@chiptuna8292 rofl that's what I thought as well. Edit: Oh it's Capcom VS SNK 2 lol

[@chiptuna8292]

@@Fooza05 I still have no idea what that is.

[@SuggonDeezNutzzz]

Lol stop

[@skeletor4436]

The reason due to x men and fantastic 4 characters being excluded was't due to fox owning the rights as fox only owned the movie rights but game rights still belonged to marvel it's just that marvel did't want to essentially give free advertising to fox hence why the x men and fantastic 4 had been absent in so many comics and games

[@FarticusSnottington]

X-Men comics were very popular around then. i think they were Marvel's best selling comics around that time so they def werent missing there

[@saint037]

fanbase saw MVCI and decided they'll do it themselves using MVC3

[@keithgawain3614]

Thanos, in MvC Infinite: I am...inevitable Vergil, only playable in Ultimate MvC 3: And...I AM THE STORM THAT IS APROOOOOOAAAAAACHIIIIIIIIIIING

[@notmyrealname5865]

This game failed because of art and licensing deals?

[@Darkon2050]

This game was so fun and it was the MVC game that made me wanna go back and give UMVC3 a try, but all the fun mechanics and sick looking combos couldn’t save this game from a roster that most people considered to be lacking, as well as the bad press that it got from the “characters as functions” comment. I still revisit it for an arcade run with Venom and Spider-man from time to time, only to remember that this game doesn’t even have arcade endings. It’s a damn shame it came out this way. It has good gameplay, it’s just lacking nearly everywhere else.

[@Matcherino]

Matcherino here, ty so much for the shoutout! We're fortunate to be apart of these amazing communities and help support the players! 💪

[@kyurei4478]

Touching to see the MVC community following the steps of the Melee community. Marvel Versus Capcom Infinite is basically the Brawl of Smash. And the 2 communities had the same love for the previous instalment. Tragic that things turned out that way but inspirational for other fighting communities which would suffer from that situation.

[@coreytrevor1920]

Brawl is no where near as bad as MVCI

[@kyurei4478]

I don't think it's better honestly. Competitive Brawl was very bad. But that's not the point. I was just pointing out the fact that these games had a similar story and impact in their respective franchise.

[@iransilva5857]

@@coreytrevor1920 you mean to say mvci is nowhere near as bad as brawl. cause mvci actualyl has fun gameplay

[@islandboy9381]

​@@coreytrevor1920Single player content and visuals yes Brawl absolutely bodies, but competitive/multiplayer? Hell no

[@KeizerSosebee]

They just didnt want me to break the game again. And i was looking foward to footdiving on captain marvel's face

[@DigiMatt52]

The Stone tournament was interesting, but it should have been a quirky side event with a normal one as the main event.

[@joelkarito7572]

I know marvel had its hand in the jar but capcom not putting in good characters either did not help.

[@mamodokod]

I guess that's true but I really think most of the games character issues do come from Marvel because the capcom side is in my opinion pretty good all things considered, they were adding really good characters and new ones, like Monster Hunter, X, Jedah, characters people actually did want and asked for.

[@RetroReef]

It’s funny. I really enjoying watching your videos covering the history of eSports even though I have no interest in watching eSports and don’t enjoy competitive gaming in general. Well done!

[@NabaniSaa]

You know what's hilarious. Keef was right, BBTag did flop, but at least it made it's mark by gatekeeping MvC:I.

[@KillaSmit20789]

It was garbage. Gate keep 🤣🤣🤣

[@kekon3]

The match to watch for anyone curious what this game can look like, may I recommend Knives vs Banehallow from combo breaker 2019 (game 3 hits different) This video doesn’t really get into “so how does it play REALLY? And what can you do if you WANT to get into it”

[@lonewolffang]

X-men: Children of the Atom to me was the start of it when Akuma was their secret character and got the ball rolling for the franchise.

[@jdboss1487]

I liked because our boi Mighty Kief was in it

[@kentucky_ken]

The absence of Wolverine alone hurts me.

[@lazyfigninja]

Yo thank you so much for this video. UMVC3 is one of the games I played the most growing up and I didn't know about the mod and newer scene. After hearing about it, I may just have to take the plunge.

[@agentboi4794]

Damn Cloud took the words out of my mouth

[@quartercheese6571]

My first thought was “there was a rise????”

[@AgentKyo]

I didn't watch this video yet so I'm going to assume this video isn't nearly 20 mins of what I already know with another condescending attitude that won't shut up the function statement EDIT: This video is legitimately better than most MVC I criticism videos. Incredibly well done

[@kizunadragon9]

UMVC3 is back at Evo 2023

[@NataliaNeeSama]

Yeah, the biggest problems with Infinite was the graphics and the roster (I mean, come on, no X-Men? No Phoenix Wright? No other Darkstalkers aside Morrigan and Jedah like Hsien-Ko or Felicia? NO DR.DOOM?!) but the gameplay was pretty neat. Just a big wasted potential.

[@magillagorilla57]

Gameplay was neat, but it wasn't perfect either. The game at high level pretty much became pick a character that has a move that is active for a long time, do that move and make them block, the switch to a Rushdown character and do a bunch of mix-ups. As unbalanced as MvC games can be, the good old fashioned 3v3 tag system worked better imo. But MvCi was still fun in it's own way

[@chriskeepit100]

Phoenix wright had no business in a MVC game

[@ElladanKenet]

You can lay 100% of the blame on Disney. Disney was trying to starve Fox and they didn't give a rat's arse if a game failed because certain character's found on Fox films weren't available.

[@Fretful_]

Loving how often Akshon uploads

[@LordHollow]

Protip: Don't take away core aspects of a beloved franchise.

[@JELIFISH19]

I think a couple of things should be mentioned. MvCI was doing well in the competitive arena until it was announced that it wasn't going to be at Evo. Tekken 7 and SF5 were the only games getting more numbers than it. After they announced no Evo, numbers dropped dramatically. It really felt like a snub when DBFZ and BBTAG got in Evo when they weren't even out yet. And BBTAG also had a lot of controversy behind it. It's very strange that MvCI didn't get in while KOF14 got in twice even though it looked worse. And the functions thing was taken way out of hand. When you look at MvC2, Sentinel was the most picked character. But when MvC3 came out, no one played him because he wasn't good. Doom became the most popular MvC3 character even though he wasn't popular in MvC2. And you say people practice with the same characters for years and decades doesn't mean much when everything changes between games. Iron Man has been in almost every Marvel game but he plays different in every game. And up until MvCI, Wolverine was the only character who was in every Marvel game. So the rosters change every in game. There's no way some someone could play the same character for the whole series unless they play Wolverine, Chun, and Ryu. But no one ever complained about that. Fighting game players are used to switching characters. The rosters change a lot in most games. Look at the rosters for GG, SF, MvC, MK, and KOF. They change dramatically with each release. Only a few characters actually make it into every entry. MvCI's failure always struck me as weird. It seems like people wanted it to fail from every angle. And in these videos, one major thing I find missing is the actual MvCI community. There is one and they run tournaments. MvCI isn't as dead as people make it out to be. I think it's important to acknowledge them because they have put a lot of work into it and have plenty of hype matches. And we should build them up rather than tearing down the game they play.

[@JonRobTom]

Capcom PR since the MvCI reveal: "2017 will be a big year for you, promise! Haters will be left behind." (even though it's for SFV) "Characters are just functions." "Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember (some) of the X-Men characters." "What's your agenda?" (response to a Twitter post showing the DBFZ booth at an EVO venue with more patrons in line than the MvCI booth) "F*** that game anyway." (after awarding a 2nd place Battle for the Stones trophy to Chris G)

[@m.thorton9305]

Capcom : want to create another good MvC Disney : *I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING*

[@Neoxon619]

That’s a common misconception, Disney isn’t really that involved in the affairs of Marvel Games.

[@wakkaseta8351]

@@Neoxon619 They're anal about enforcing "Brand Synergy" in regards to their IPs though. That's why a lot of people call them difficult to work with.

[@odindarkll3706]

@@Neoxon619 you should see what they've done to Kingdom Hearts 3... It'll definitely change your opinion

[@Realsupergingerman]

​@@Neoxon619Oh but they do

[@Jsslade]

@@Neoxon619 Keep lying to yourself buddy.

[@returntosender5210]

There's this one unique fighting game I want you to look into! It's Mobile Suit Gundam Extreme Versus Maxi Boost ON for PS4! While looking like another typical arena fighter, the game breaks the mold by going for a single screen, 2 on 2 fighting game with over 185 characters to choose from, all of whom are unique from one another. Not to mention this game uses the Gundam IP and has been going on since for 20 years with the release of Mobile Suit Gundam Federation Versus Zeon for Arcades and PS2. The game is considered a staple in game centers in Japan, have a official tournament scene called "PREMIUM DOGFIGHT" and in 2010, won the No. 1 arcade game of Japan at one point. The first Extreme Versus game iteration, in particular, has a Linkin Park song "The Catalyst" as the game's opening song, as they too were Gundam fans. Maxiboost ON is the first Extreme Versus game released worldwide ever since its inception in 2010, but current player numbers are sadly dropping. Rank and casual matches are dead and what remains are casual players new to the game and a rag tag group that is the EXVS Community. They also have their own reddit page! Please look into it @Akshon Esports

[@thelastgogeta]

I'm sure it will happen at some point. Gundam Versus (the first PS4 game) is a "why it failed" story waiting to happen and he can talk about how MBON or other games too. The Vita game which was the first one in the west is probably worth a mention.

[@WatcherMovie008]

@@thelastgogeta Gundam Versus and Extreme VS Force didn't failed. It did what it was meant to do, give the rest of the world a Gundam Extreme VS game while the devs working on Gundam Extreme VS got time to properly develop Gundam Extreme VS 2 for arcade and properly port Gundam Extreme VS Maxi Boost On to console (the team that does Extreme VS is not big, they're only like 8-12 people).

[@thelastgogeta]

@@WatcherMovie008 I didn't say that Vs Force failed, but that it would be worth mentioning every game that officially came to the west. (Basically make a video on Gundam Versus PS4 and be sure to mention a few key games) I understand the metric of "didn't fail by Bamco's standards" but Gundam Versus is a game that is looked at with disdain as far as I can tell and it wasn't a cheap experiment to make a new engine when they could have continued to port half a decade old Extreme Vs games as usual. www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2017/07/13/gundam-versus-tops-the-japanese-game-charts-but-the-fan-reaction-is-mixed/ www.forbes.com/sites/olliebarder/2020/08/08/gundam-extreme-versus-maxiboost-on-has-topped-the-japanese-charts-ousting-animal-crossing-new-horizons/ If we only judged games on whether the company was happy with the stalling tactics, that would be pretty dull.

[@WatcherMovie008]

@@thelastgogeta I feel Versus' greatest drawback was the lack of roster choice which I'm sure Bamco knew would of gotten a negative response. I mean I'm glad that Versus added grunt suits from MSG to CCA being playable, but it was barely only like 1-3 suits per series, and comparing to removing G Gundam, Gundam X, Wing EW, Seed Destiny, and 00 S2, it wasn't worth the trade off. Some grunt suits weren't even that good tbh (why would you want to play the Hi-Zack of all things?). Yeah we got G Gundam back as DLC, but they should of been there from the start. I can understand AGE being DLC as they were the newest series to be added once Bandai got the rights to AGE back after the loan agreement with Studio-5 expired. I say the only thing I miss from Versus that I wish Maxi Boost On kept was Garret's Zaku I, Gundam Mudrock, White Dingo's GM Sniper II, and the mighty Doug Efreet.

[@thelastgogeta]

@@WatcherMovie008 I'm not really a player of Gundam VS, my brother plays it a lot and I follow FGC folks who mention it sometimes besides a few small channels that focus on it. My assumption for the problems would include the roster but also balance due to assists being detached from characters. It doesn't have reviews from fans on GameFAQs (neither does MBON) so I'd probably need to be on Discord or Twitch to learn what people (don't) like in detail.

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

It’s so disappointing that the budget was a problem with the dummy amount disney actually has

[@MrGonz801]

I feel like unless the next MvC game uses the mechanics from MvCI, MvCI will be the 3rd strike of the VS series, because if you think about it, SF3 did what MvCI did in terms of giving legacy functions to new characters and it didn't really sell too well back in the day, but now it's regarded as the pinnacle of fighting game prowess.of course MvCI isn't as complex as 3rd Strike, but the way tag-assist works in MvCI just hits different

[@chriskeepit100]

😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣 hell naw

[@Woodsy2575]

It was essentially a movie tie-in down to the tournament structure, there I saved ya some time

[@strtfghtr88]

A Marvel vs Capcom game without Wolverine, is like Street Fighter without Akuma and Mortal Kombat without Reptile.....

[@SeraNeph]

I thought it's some Capcom PR manager who said that they're just functions, not by a reputable FGC player.

[@psychobluesfxt]

Prior to working for Capcom, Combofiend was a reputation FGC player, but by the time he talked about functions he was already four years removed from his playing days.

[@kazecloud2916]

MVC COLLECTION WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@robertlafrance9974]

YEEEEEEEAAAAHHHHH

[@justj485]

You should cover BBTAG/BBCF History that would be such a cool video

[@Kwicc213]

Underrated channel. Quality content. Keep it up!

[@Tommy9834]

Ok, so here's a game we can play, which channel is gonna make another video essay next year, explaining why MCVI died.

[@666ZX]

Man I'm sorry for not watching this video but I instantly zoned TF out. I've already heard all of this information before you're really late to this party. I can name at least 3 other guys on the top of my head who have already gone into more than enough detail about this. You're covering old news but I have no idea if you brought something new to the table here because I zoned out very quickly but, yha bruh come-on it's 2020. Who needs to hear this story again? From the first 38 seconds I think it's safe to assume this is not your personal experiences or personal feelings or anything else about it this is just you giving somebody a study guide and great study guides are already out there about this.

[@Kaz999998]

Omfg I'm so glad you pointed that out because legit I saw when this video was released and I was thinking I had major deja vu. I was like, "I swear didn't I see this video like 2 years ago...?'

[@lennywright5655]

What annoys me most about MvCI is Marvel still could’ve used the X-Men/FF characters if they wanted, Fox just owned movie rights. :/ If MvC was serious about a comeback, take Smash Ultimate as example, “Everyone’s Here!!” + more characters. Guaranteed best selling Marvel vs Capcom by a long shot! (If they nail art style and gameplay)

[@spazerabanekozeroshki]

I'm not 100% sure about this but from a video I completely forgot about covered a post saying that mvc3 would have not some characters had Capcom not faught for the characters

[@wakkaseta8351]

Disney didn't allow those characters to be used in anything because they considered it free advertisement for the Fox movies. That's why there weren't even Fantastic 4 comic books being made. Disney's greedy like that.

[@Antronix3]

The biggest reason for me why I wasn't interested in infinite was no X-Men.

[@MFMagnus]

It'd be interesting to see you guys make a video about Dissidia NT and how its console/global release flopped super hard when it was considered the most popular game in JP arcades for a good while. Even over the likes of Gundam.

[@TheUncutAngel]

The fact people looked at her character model and said she looked hideous and me not being able to see why (other than the eye brow) is really concerning ....

[@doolioart3314]

It's such a shame as well, mvci plays and flows so well. It's one of the most "feels right" fg's.

[@goddamnarshia]

In my honest to god opinion, i think capcom should make a capcom vs capcom or something. Marvel has become GIGANTIC compared to when mvc3 was released, capcom and marvel are no longer two relatively equal trademarks duking it out

[@YophiSmith]

They had rights to the characters, but chose to make a MCU game instead of MvC game effectively ruining almost every single reason people stuck with the games. They changed the art style and made it worse, they changed the gameplay with infinity stones and made it worse, they changed the character line up and made it worse, then they did the worst thing of all: let's tell the fans that their connections to the characters are actually superficial and it's their fault why they don't like the game. Yeah, that'll work.

[@skatemo100]

Yeah it was a huge mistake not having any mutants whatsoever when they’re a staple to the franchise.

[@PhantoRoyce]

I remember I worked at GameStop when this game out when the “Easter egg” controversy was happening with the infinite editions. Those things stayed collecting dust the whole time I worked there

[@worstspytf2824]

Hey, least Disney didn't PURPOSLY try to kill the game (12:33 Bottom middle)

[@magillagorilla57]

To be fair, Nintendo has other games in the series that they want to promote. I get if you're a melee person and you want to be able to play it over other versions, but at least you know you will get Smash Bros support in the future. That is not guaranteed for Marvel fans...