Alan Chapman on Magick & the Alchemy of Awakening

[@kobalt77]

I learned so much about Crowley listening to this conversation. Thank you both so much.

[@kristennotchristian]

The best part of this interview is the last 10 minutes!

[@D3XthaTriF3ctA]

“The act of reading it demonstrates the content” This is how I felt when I read valis the first time

[@alanchapman4461]

@@D3XthaTriF3ctA Phil is another misunderstood prophet for sure

[@NuminousCreations]

This is such a great discussion! I only just discovered Alan Chapman a few days ago and then immediately got my hands on Magia and started reading it. Forgive me if I don't already know about these things, I also don't have a Magick background (yet), but I really love what Alan starts talking about around the 52 minute mark up to about the 59th minute. There's a kind of cliffhanger there that I wish could continue. Maybe Alan can come back to expand on these things. A few notes from that time segment: - the silent knowing*; it's driving you to look for something but you can't explain what it is [Yes!! Yes!!] - the nature of the Divine as the Beloved; you can only long for someone that you love if you've already known them before, if you've already been in love with them; you're looking for someone that is absent that you've already known [Wow! I love this and find it so beautiful and have never heard it described in this way and so clearly!] - we are recapitulating cosmology, we are repeating the first day of creation - the point of the practice is to complete the circle of creation - things get too profound and too miraculous - to die while you're still alive** - there are things like talking birds, not visions of birds but actual earth birds that are messengers from the true earth; the language of the birds is a real thing Gosh!!! Please go on! And then what else about the talking birds and the true earth...? I'm dying to know and can't stop thinking about it. I noticed there's a recurring motif of a magpie on the Magia book cover, the Barbarous Words website logo, and a stuffed magpie in the background in Alan's room in one of his videos (The Turning of the Age: A Vision of Aquarius). What does the magpie mean? I've been a nerd about esoteric traditions for many years and now I love noticing correspondences or meaningful threads linking them together. * 'Silent knowing' reminds me of what Gurdjieff's Fourth Way would call 'magnetic center' - this idea that there's something inside some of us that draws us irresistibly to seek for something missing in life, ultimately union with the Beloved or seeking what is most Real. ** To die while you're still alive - go do a Google search for "Gurdjieff The Last Hour of Life" for some really good instructions as a thought experiment for attempting to do that. As a side thought, I wonder if you could also have a discussion about these things in relation to music? I feel like intuitively there is a connection between music, sound, light, vibration, etc., and completing the circle of creation or as a way to get closer to the Beloved. I compose music off and on and always feel like the highest music should be a vehicle to bring the listener closer to the Real or feel it inside themselves. Some of my deepest experiences in life have been through music. Thanks for this excellent discussion! I'm going to rewatch it many times and dive further into this Great Work.

[@CalloohCalley]

Oh my gosh, you saying you're a stoner and play PlayStation just made me love you so much more hahaha! This was a really good talk.

[@Alice_Rose8]

Following the the thread. A lot of great advice. I listened to this podcast when it first came out but I appreciate you putting out the video too. I highly enjoyed this. 🥪

[@astrocatcity]

Great conversation so far. I love Daniel Ingram - he's always a delight to listen to. That smearing campaign began right as he was trying to raise funds for the Institute for Emergent Phenomena. Lots of interesting threads from Alan, thank you! 🙏🏻

[@astrocatcity]

Just did a little googling to refresh my memory and it's actually called the "emergent phenomenology research consortium".

[@LotusJewelz]

This is refreshing, undoing the convoluted mess that is internet Magick lol.

[@willanski4321]

Such a great conversation!

[@KS-Moon]

This is a good one to repeat on occasion... These conversations tho... In public without fear of persecution? These are interesting times. I did find a Satan's Testicles band on SoundCloud, but not Industrial 😅

[@KBNZ83]

This is good

[@bradjaggard1836]

waitaminute... did i just hear that correctly, there's gonna be a reprint with intro by Alan of MWT due out in the fall???

[@alanchapman4461]

Yes

[@uzzernamez]

Brand new second-hand crap is still crap 💩

[@alanchapman4461]

@@uzzernamez this edition will come with extensive footnotes so there’s a good chance you will be able to understand what he’s saying this time

[@senoi]

What is MWT?

[@airbornepizza]

​@@senoi Magick Without Tears by Crowley

[@Foolhead303]

I picked the same book from a similar end of run bookshop in Warrington when I was around 18 or 19, that would be 35 years ago. It was a rough cut Castle edition of MITAP. I think it was The Works bookstore.

[@thenocount]

Thanks , amazing talk 👍

[@JEKAZOL]

The ads are like every two mins! It throws off the flow. Trying to enjoy this...

[@biocykle]

adblock them

[@kobalt77]

@@biocykle KZbin messes with you is you use Adblockers now .

[@JEKAZOL]

@@kobalt77 Yeah, I have one now, thanks.

[@russellsmith3567]

When he spoke about the Zen tradition my mind went right to Ikkyu Sojun, I guess that says more about my thinking than anything.

[@airbornepizza]

Alan is the man 🔥🪨

[@69Jackjones69]

Good interview haha. Got some Pan vibes here and there, especially with the little spikes in Alan's hair at the right angles. Alan, After we've died and are looking into the world of creation how do we "perceive" or understand it when someone from the world of time turns their mind toward us in eternity? What is your profoundest spiritual experience? What was the last shadow you bound, and what what kind of fruit was borne when it was made conscious and turned right-side up? Thanks!

[@MonkeyMac]

And 5+5 is 10, so we're back to Malkuth.

[@LukeRobertMason]

Are these old episodes of the podcast now in video form? Trying to work out if I have listened before.

[@ShimrraShai]

What are your thoughts on the question of how this relates to the issue and situation of when one does not have material money or resources to access a traditional master or guru?

[@alanchapman4461]

Find a lineage that involves no money and teaches/supports daily personal practice (this is the option I have instituted with the ordo magia)

[@ephemeraldynamics-l2i]

jason so adorkable 🥰

[@aldao728]

Holy Cow this takes a bit of focus

[@samfawlia]

don’t smoke weed b4 interview please!

[@Doomstahh]

😂

[@fluxpistol3608]

Why not?

[@Zoe-kj6hw]

😂😂😂

[@meekle8891]

Please smoke weed before interview! I got high, started making pancakes and then turned on this interview and it rocks

[@whocaresclips-vv2ii]

im 16 minutes in and they keep talking about "it"... what is it?

[@airbornepizza]

Consciously participating in the process of awakening and doing magical practice, I think.

[@lutzresource7239]

I thought he said tragedy money was unethical and that was a whole other thing lol

[@AdrianDittmannElonMusk]

Sigil Troll ❤

[@161157gor]

Chance be a fine thing...

[@TwigCity]

🤍🌟

[@DannyDanny-rn7ck]

Profit is fine it's interested in rent seeking Don't let people twist you up See Michael Hudson's work J is for junk Economics

[@Runi00]

More bathrobes

[@Lorax_Tribe]

You wrap it up neatly in occult, esoteric, hidden knowledge involving Crowley and other characters, but Astral Projection is just lucid dreaming. I could teach it to you tonight, but you’d still have to put in the 10,000 hours to learn it. Sylvan Muldoon published his book in 1929, and there are many more now. It’s science, not magic.

[@69Jackjones69]

hahaha bravo!

[@DannyDanny-rn7ck]

Why do you put yourself in the lap of security state an then go im just this normal guy smoking pot and playing PlayStation And every time you scratch the surface you guys are either in bed with weapons contractors futures traders somebody despicable

[@DannyDanny-rn7ck]

It's just an accident that Warren buffett's Team leader has the occult triangle on all her real estate bulshit

[@DannyDanny-rn7ck]

A future trader that loves blockchain that claims that the world needs to be purged Which sounds pretty monotheist to me for a pagan Is stuff is covered in chaos sigils

[@plutoloco2378]

This was good at the beginning but toward the middle this guy lost me when he couldn’t clearly explain himself. I don’t think he understands himself.

[@alanchapman4461]

You should see how bad it gets towards the end

[@MM-hq2bd]

​@@alanchapman4461lmao. The Magia things and the way you explain is the first spark that's really connected with me. Im really grateful

[@alanchapman4461]

@@MM-hq2bd awesome! :)

[@uzzernamez]

Staring into the abyss. Occam's razor would reveal that Crowley was a fraud and he's "still alive" because his deceptions are still drawing people into the abyss of seemingly meaningful connections surrounding his work. Might as well sell more books about him though innit?

[@biocykle]

That's not at all how Occam's razor works