Pantheon: Rise Of The Fallen First Impressions "Is It Worth Playing?"

[@TheLazyPeon]

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[@Aequitas887]

yeah this reminds me of OG Everquest, was revolutionary at the time. Having to consider the enemy strength to make sure you can handle it then dying and losing exp and your body with your loot. That got old after a while, often needing to enlist a strong player to drag your body back to you and paying them a tip for service. etc. Also, kudos on maintaining the healthy living outside of gaming.

[@MrStoMo169]

Merry Christmas to everyone! Wishing you health, happiness, wealth, and a million subscribers . MrStoMo ♥️😁🍰🥰

[@joezar33]

Phew , at least his not bashing this game , was kinda worried for their player base , looking up older youtube videos on pantheon, thought it was going to be in development limbo , good thing it's not

[@koffinkat666]

Classic LP, Even though he switched Time zones he never stops pulling the whole zone! Happy New year pal.

[@pipz420]

Even though I love your review. It is odd to me you did not join a group.

[@Oldlard]

Bought it today not expecting much. Logged out 11 hours later without realising the time. I'm too old for this shit but it does feel like 1999 again.

[@vibrantvoid14]

ditto

[@slydog75]

Same man, same on all counts!

[@mistergoats4380]

You convinced me man

[@jpedrote5]

Hope peon gives another shot and tries some group play, that's where the game really shines!

[@Tatuzka]

I find the 39€ price tag a bit steep and it's kinda holding me back from now, since all the negativity that i have been hearing about the game. Do you guys recommend it so far?

[@norm4332]

Imagine my surprise when I see that I was mentioned in the video (Voltar). If you run across Voltar or Voltag and need anything give me a holler. I remember giving you the axe. I can make leather armor as well as leather bags which hold 10. Happy adventuring. Love your content by the way. Old time EQ/Vanguard player

[@EQOAnostalgia]

You're a real one Voltar!

[@Zederok]

As a 54 year old gamer who first got into PC gaming back in 1999 with Asheron's Call, it is people like you who made me a fan of the genre and as such will check out the game. I have been longing for some good old fashioned nostalgia that modern MMO's lack.

[@semafreak]

Good man

[@claszure7948]

all my homies love Voltar

[@FairyRat]

Gigachad healer Voltar.

[@JoppaVash]

Thanks so much for giving us a fair, honest look Peon!

[@rr0e_]

lead game dev ^^^

[@TruckKun]

The game looks good, but take what Peon said about the UI and fonts in consideration for improving the game

[@michaelmorrison5280]

@@TruckKun Oh, the UI and Lighting are things they've planned to fix forever now. They've pretty much just been waiting until they could hire specialists to do it. The devs are probably thrilled that most of his biggest complaints were things they already planned to fix.

[@MrAcorn911]

This was fair? IGN plays games for longer than 5 hours before they give reviews and I give them a lot of shit for doing paid reviews. 5 hours for a review in an MMO is pretty pathetic.

[@codylaxton3287]

​@MrAcorn911 he did say "First Impressions" in the title..

[@killval849]

that guy that buffed you, and gave you a weapon. Because of the brutal difficulty, These types of games make players like that exist. Because there's such a group focus, people really do look out for each other much more.

[@098lightfall]

yeah, was the same in the early days of EQ too. the nostalgia of it is what draws me to this.

[@Pyriold]

If you make a game where everybody is self sufficient, while that feels good immediately, it results in a selfish community. This goes the opposite way and results in a mostly helpfull community.

[@kevinarnold8634]

These types of games don't make those players exist. They give such people a reason to display their kindness. In most newer MMORPGs people don't need that help and most people know it so don't bother anymore.

[@kevinarnold8634]

@@Pyriold It makes for an independent community. Selfishness is an optional addition to that, but that could be said for any community.

[@GerTrude-d5k]

Truuu

[@griffca4814]

As a backer everything you said is entirely fair. Its got its hooks in me and after 20 hours im finally lvl 10 and have my tank stance. I am the target audence and it hit 100%

[@XxWolfxWaRioRxX]

Other than oldschool MMO nostalgia I really don't get people accepting such cheap and ugly looking games especially after the amount of funding it got Surely at some point you gotta have some standards and expect more from a game with the amount of funds and resources Pantheon had... Right

[@Tory-JJ]

@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX Cheap and ugly looking? You play battle royales. lol.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@XxWolfxWaRioRxX It's in early access, it's going to be jank af lol. Half of the people talking that shit settle for mobile trash.

[@GrippeeTV]

@@XxWolfxWaRioRxXugly is totally subjective dude. To me personally I’m beyond sick of plastic looking UE5 games that all have the same exact graphical style.

[@crypt_hound]

Griff! Likewise for me.

[@RyanLevRon-t4c]

If you run close enough you can do /corpsedrag and it will pull your corpse to you. You don’t have have to be on top of your corpse but close.

[@rickbotic6063]

Adding to this, you can also have a necromancer player summon your corpse for you. Edit: Only summoners can summon your corpse. Eq coded brain assumed it was necros helping me out.

[@Lorudor]

I was wondering if that's a thing when I just watched the video. The thing is, nobody would know except they played EQ like us. So they should atleast display a tip when you died first.

[@RyanLevRon-t4c]

@ there is a macro video out. Basically the same as EQ

[@Pyriold]

@@rickbotic6063 Summoner can do that too.

[@Yes-sw8gh]

What a stupid fucking game mechanic. /dragcorpse. It's fucking 2024. just have it be a general thing all characters can do.

[@darkwulf2k]

I have over 40 hours in the game so far, and loving it overall. This is giving me the feels of wonder i had when i first played EQ back in 2000. Great welcoming community, and overall the game play I expected. Its combat is better than old EQ, but I find it satisfying enough on my Enchanter. The fact you need the support and crowd control classes make this feel like those old skool mmos where you really had to work for levels. Maybe because I played the old EQ, the xp loss + corpse run doesnt bother me as much, and at least you keep your gear, and it is not a naked corpse run of shame.

[@BuzWeaver]

It's very much like old school EQ. Brad and his team did a great job considering all of what they went through and Brad's death in November of 2019.

[@sauntor]

Same.

[@David-x7g5v]

Is it better than Embers Adrift or Project Gorgon?

[@cc66bb44]

My only problem is that the looks old, and at this point why play this over eq1? They need to drastically update the game

[@EQOAnostalgia]

@@cc66bb44 Because EQ is run by DeyBreakGayems that's why, and because the only worthwhile EQ is TLP which is a completed game.

[@DraekosTV]

I'm 62 hours in and my biggest complaint is it's starting to interfere with my personal life like work and family... AKA it's my high school days all over again when I was playing EQ and WoW instead of doing homework 😂. Although this is only the next stage of Pantheon's development (that they're calling "Early Access"), I'm excited for the future considering how much flipping fun I'm having. The world feels alive and the community is super helpful. I think even new comers that don't come with a preconceived expectation would have a blast, regardless of their MMO background. One thing to note is this is an MMORPG and not your traditional MMO... there's a difference when you add the RPG element back in.

[@DraekosTV]

@nukkythompson419 lol yeah ok 😂 so me liking a game makes me a dev now

[@TheSirtempest]

Middle schooler me might have liked it but I don't have that kind of time or patience anymore.

[@DraekosTV]

@TheSirtempest Yep, exactly lol I've got 3 kids and a busy IT work schedule so I agree. Definitely had to do some late night sessions to get any time in. As for patience, again, I've got 3 kids so I don't have an issue with that. What's wild is according to my Steam "year in review", this is the only game in my library Ive played for more than 5 hours this whole year... But the net of it is this.. after a long day it feels real good to login and grind out some XP and loot. Takes me back to a simpler time

[@David-x7g5v]

Is there any soloable content?

[@DraekosTV]

@@David-x7g5v so fun fact about me, I solo a lot because I'm usually watching a podcast or doing something else while at work or something. So I've soloed from level 1 to 8 and my first group was last night. Any mob that has a "Chevron" 🔰 symbol is basically a group mob while everything else is soloable ASSUMING it's within a reasonal con range (e.g. whites, blues, etc should be no problem while yellows are rough, orange is brutal, and red is a death sentence. I kinda create my own game loop so for example I was farming a blue mob for a few hours because I was collecting pelts for crafting and reselling and I "accidentally" leveled up twice. Also, keep in mind some classes are better at soloing than others. I was playing a summoner so I had a pet as my Tank and I would just nuke the mobs for DPS.

[@Sation50]

This game is apparently ranked number 43 according to THE CHART

[@zenfar1892]

which chart is this?

[@Zettailily]

@@zenfar1892 THE chart

[@derekellisCAN]

What chart? Are you gonna answer?

[@darkwulf2k]

@@derekellisCAN I presume this referencing Josh Stryfe Haze's recent video on MMO's where it ranked 43

[@Oryyyt]

@@zenfar1892 It's The chart

[@classified5790]

I have been really enjoying the game. It still needs a lot of work, but it's coming together. Thanks for covering the game and giving it a real shot.

[@lazycrate71]

@@MERKMOBB710 like it was a matter of time till you stopped using brain cells?

[@classified5790]

@@MERKMOBB710 How long did you play before it wore off? Just want to see how much time I have left to enjoy the game. Thanks

[@factionguy]

This game won't be alive for long so enjoy while you can

[@DeathMetal-Dude]

we need more players like Voltar

[@twismfamily]

@@DeathMetal-Dude We are all here and playing

[@DraekosTV]

Facts... so far I feel like every other person is looking to help or contribute... Really dope actually

[@BuzWeaver]

That's the way it was back in the old-school days of EQ (1999). People worked together as inter-dependency was a YUGE factor. I can also recall the people from Halas, the starting city for Barbarians, they'd come ALL the way over to my continent to play, then die, and they'd have a 45 minute travel time because they didn't bind in our city. Binding was another thing that you'd have to get from another player (if you could find a caster high enough to bind or willing to do so). Back in the day there was a lot of risk/reward and the risk could be painful.

[@MarijuanaFireFighter]

dwarves are superior

[@Ehlk]

Voltar would have helped him get his corpse 100% if he asked

[@xevrin5905]

Good coverage, keep in mind that Visionary Realms is treating this as a proper early access game on Steam and it's currently in the equivalent of an Alpha state. Improvement to systems and graphics will be happening throughout 2025.

[@StratPIG]

I like the graphics

[@jdog340]

sure lol

[@trillakilla8591]

Not the entire zone, just the other beetles that are pissed you attacked their homie beetle.

[@DMTip]

As someone who grew up playing EQ 1, this was a big throwback. The extremely dark darkness, the brutal recovery time between fights, and the lack of obvious quests and things to do. You really have to get out, explore things, and depend on the good folks like Voltar that came before you to survive. It looks like it could be fun for a bit for a bit of that nostalgia. I'm digging the obvious upgrades over EQ1 too.

[@boonofcheese]

You can drag your own (or other people’s corpses) to avoid aggroing when you die in a bad place. You can also ask a necromancer or summoner to summon your corpse for you.

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

14:32 that's what you get for wearing a beetle shell helmet

[@Ehlk]

best part for me is that I don't feel rushed in this game. you can set your own pace and pick your own path because there is not 'set path' to follow. awesome to watch you slowly learn the ropes - hope you try some group content next (thugs/bandits would be level appropriate and drop gear on par with what you were crafting)

[@Toades8513]

Thanks for checking it out, got a DL tank 13, having a blast and the dungeons are cool.

[@circaen]

This is actually ten time more positive than I thought it was going to be. I was waiting for this game for 5+ years, but after all the turmoil I have not checked it out. Maybe I'll give it a chance as I want an old school mmo where the encounters are tough.

[@John_Conner222]

This game is basically a modern take on EverQuest 1. For me its pretty nostalgic because EQ1 was my first MMO, but as you can see from the dying mechanic I would not want to repeat it again. I was spoiled by WoW. Players cannot loot your body until you give them permission. Corpse runs were fairly big deals in EQ. You had to gather a party and clear out the area to drag the body to an area where you could safely loot. There were PvP servers like Tallon Zek and Vallon Zek if I can remember properly (spelling is probably off) and you could loot one piece of armor and take their money but you didnt lose your bags or what were in them. So people loved to gank you and steal your chest armor. There was a time I had a friend fall into the pit trap at Blackburrow Den (after I told him to stay AWAY from the tree with the pit trap) and I had to rescue him. There were groups of people farming various levels of the dungeon so it was clear enough to make my way to his body. So I grabbed all his stuff and got aggroed at the last second. Ran all the way through the dungeon trying to find my way out, Indiana Jones style. One day I went back with a high level character to see just what happened and I had managed to pull the entire zone. I had made all the wrong choices on how to get out and I even pulled the main boss. It was the biggest train to zone ever and everyone in the zone died. I had to log off for the day because the hate messages wouldn't stop lol. BUT... I had successful rescued my friend who I gave a quick scolding to. These games had a unique charm to them though. I liked the lighting system, requiring a light source. It was cool to play like an assassin and see people running through the woods at night and try to sneak up on them and gank them hehe. The game also had a language system and you could learn various languages on your character. For instance I made a troll shadowknight (my favorite) and my friend made a human mage. While it took FOREVER to learn human common because of my characters low intelligence, my friends mage learned trollispeak in like 10 minutes because of his characters high intelligence. You just spammed messages in a tell to each other and as your skill leveled up more and more characters would be translated to english. One day my friend was playing without me and came across a group of trolls playing together. They started talking inn troll speak about how they were going to eat his character. He then started up a spell so his hands glowed and said in trollspeak I don't think you are going to be eating me today. They loved it so much they let him join the party. You get so many cool moments like that in these types of games but oh my lord they can get tedious and one mistake can cause a mass corpse run that takes the rest of the day. It is something to experience at least once but I prefer my retail WoW. I guess i'm old like that. I like my conveniences. I proved my uber pve and pvp skills a long time ago and would rather just enjoy pretty graphics and animations with a story tied to it than anything else these days.

[@marzoval9551]

Just wait until the sequel: The Fall of the Risen

[@Pyriold]

Considering corpse runs: Just ask a friendly necro or summoner (at least level 12) to summon the corpse for you.

[@nono-i7t]

No it's not. It's a poor take on an uninspired attempt to emulate some of the qualities of EQ1. EQ1 was an awesome game already at release. This game? Hahhaha.

[@majorgear1021]

I hated corpse runs and waiting hours for rare spawns in EQ1. I remember waiting 6 hours for a creature to spawn so that I could get an ingredient for me quest armor. When it didn’t spawn at six hours, I quit the game for good.

[@John_Conner222]

@@majorgear1021 Oh yeah. Same thing happened to my roommate at the time, who played even more hardcore than I ever could. One day he was like nope, F this game.. He literally uninstalled immediately and went out to a bar to drink, and never played another game again, like ever, even tabletop D&D. The only thing he played after that was texas hold em poker. I never had time to sink into EQ, which is what these games require. This is why I like games like Warhammer Online and retail WoW. I can play them, mess around, pug an LFR and log off. I can complete a few things, get a mount or some gear and feel accomplished. I just can't commit to long raid schedules and farming everything required. EverQuest took it to an extreme.

[@Slobberthegoat]

I'm level 14 right now and am completely hooked on the game. I hope it grows and gets better.

[@sebastienm5968]

It's the closest thing to everquest 1. Love it. Also you need social skills in this game. Thats a true mmorpg. Won't please everybody. But those who loved eq1 sooooooooo good.

[@fatguylittlestream]

They fail to mention anything but at the main menu there is a calibration button for the brightness that helps at night.

[@DraekosTV]

22:40 when you flee from a mob, sprint to create some distance but NEVER let the stamina bar hit complete 0. If you do youll get an "exhausted" debuff which is why they kept catching you. Sprint until stamina is low, stop sprinting to allow the bar to refill, and sprint and repeat. The mob will eventually leash and you will escape most low level mobs unless you get rooted or nuked by a caster. PS regarding death: when you get your corpse, target your body and type /corpse so you can drag your corpse out of harms way. As long as you get your corpse, none of your loot will ever disappear.

[@Ravynheart]

I've learned that the hard way but mobs do leash pretty darn far. I think that could be shortened unless they intentionally want to recreate the mob trains you often seen in older mmos

[@DraekosTV]

@Ravynheart 100% and I've died several times even with my "method". Every encounter requires laser focus and your head is always on a swivel when traveling. Pretty cool from a world design/atmosphere perspective but can get frustrating for most. Maybe some more early game tutorial or quest to teach new players about death would help.

[@Pyriold]

@@Ravynheart If mob leashes were too short, it would be easy to split camps with any player and you would not need a strategy and special abilities for it.

[@tommyddurand]

For starters, I am a HUGE Everquest fan, but let me get this straight... These guys took over 10 years to develop Everquest 1 with a few minor changes into EARLY ACCESS in 2025. Holy shit.

[@DolphinRichTuna]

honestly looks like more fun than all the piles of hot sh*t that pass for an MMO lately.

[@jiaokho8616]

this belongs to the pile

[@codypople9990]

I think the games pretty fun dont got to deal with the bs mmos are now

[@TheHuffur]

I am tempted to buy and give it a go which is surprising considering I really do NOT like tab target MMOs but the idea of no map and seemingly a robust crafting system to build on... yeah, compared to a lot of modern MMO games this is looking kinda good.

[@callmemc6]

@@codypople9990 Yeah, just gotta deal with the bs mmos were 25 years ago

[@YogorHalo]

Highly suggest you get it, ive had so much fun playing. The community, hardcore gameplay, and crafting is awesome

[@Shadedkin]

I’m an old-school gamer who started playing the original EverQuest in 1999 and kept at it for years (until I eventually left for Dark Age of Camelot). When I saw this new game was in Early Access, I got a bit nostalgic. Watching your video, I tried talking myself into playing-though I definitely don’t have the same stamina or free time I did back in 1999-2005. But then, when you hit level 5 and discovered you'd lose experience and drop items, I realized I just had to give it a shot. It reminds me of one particular EverQuest memory: I’d been drinking heavily one night while playing and ended up passing out on my keyboard. Sadly, for my character, I fell asleep on the arrow key, so my character spent the next eight hours running aimlessly through the zone, getting killed by every random mob that crossed my path. I lost about three levels’ worth of progress-which took me weeks to earn-and all of my items. The next morning, I was scouring a thousand empty corpses trying to find the one that still had my gear… no luck. Ah, those were the good old days!

[@l0lwarrior470]

not a bad game for first impression but not for 40$, maybe for 9.99 or 4.99 I would consider it

[@jonathaningram8157]

Yeah. Too expensive. At most 20$

[@dillonrobbins3777]

I had completely given up on this game a couple years ago and had zero expectations when a friend bought it for me. This game has me fucking hooked. There’s a ton of work left to do and updates/fixes but for what it is right now it is excellent.

[@MaynardKeenanX]

game is utter trash...you literally call the trolly starting areas requireing a party to get to Thronefast? What an abysmal game design bra...gl getting sold to Gamigo 6 months after official launch. TEN YEARS.

[@dillonrobbins3777]

@ trash because you died? I’d say it’s the other way around. If you’re looking for a game to hold your hand like mommy then there’s tons of those bra. Just say you couldn’t handle playing a game that requires an average IQ.

[@johnlewis9855]

@@MaynardKeenanX grouping was the way to go in early EQ times, even in lower zones. You could solo the wasps and spiders in the starter area, but if you wanted to go deeper or try the lowest lvl dungeon, you must had a party or die horribly. That's what makes an MMO great, not a single player simulator with grouping in some highest lvl areas.

[@MaynardKeenanX]

@@johnlewis9855 Wow back in vanilla when you were leveling you also had access to group content (elite quests/bosses) even with some leading to raid content but it was not in Pantheons abysmal trolly state it is atm sorry. its very very far from being somethign I want to play...

[@johnlewis9855]

@@MaynardKeenanX well, it can't be compared with a total release which EQ was, before then having early access games was rare. Pantheon rn is early access, which can be considered primitive beta, so of course there's lots of content to be created and updated until the real release.

[@stuntwill]

Holy shit that takes me back. Do you realize the "consider" command goes all the way back to text-based online multiplayer dungeons? (Also known as MUDs)

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Shit yeah buddy! Good times!

[@ctrainbeats]

i played a MUD a couple months ago for a few days, it was fun to see what gaming came from but man im glad we're past that lol

[@FunFactFreaks]

1. there are bind locations so you don't have to run the distances to an area you want to hunt in. Ask people about where they are located and bind there. 2. You were attacking "group" mobs .. on the mob card there is a white chevron in the left hand corner signifying it is for a group. 3. You went into a predominately group oriented game and played solo. You can solo but the game mechanics are designed for social interaction and grouping. Overall the game is in a bare bones state as everyone has mentioned but it really is a gem in the rough that with a lot of polish will end up being a great EQ alternative.

[@YogorHalo]

Man I love this game so much. Playing it everyday, the community is awesome, group play is required, talking to people is required, making friends is required. Just as an mmo should be. Guaranteed fun. About to hop back on now, see you there!

[@richardmust6919]

requiredd sucks ass. F-

[@Tyanu_Khah]

Regarding combat, if you only did low level, solo combats, you might have been missing on one key system : states. You can apply a state that can be triggered by other players to put debuffs on your target. Example : I, a monk, put off balance on a monster. Then, a warrior use a skill that makes the monster fall because it is off balance (would do nothing on its own) and while it's on the ground, it takes more damage or something. It is key to combat to use states and it literally changes the game.

[@Ironclad6661]

Old School RPG for the Gen X crowd like me. Running back to the corpse is a big part of the appeal to me. It really adds an element of excitement when fighting. You can lose your gear, XP and Levels. It's super challenging which is what made the OG games levels more difficult but rewarding. This game definitely will not be for everyone I suspect the 40-55+ gamers will really like it the most.

[@The_left_hand_pillar]

There are no groups in eq and most of the old (good) content is completely empty your only real option is to play in fan servers and they aren't much better

[@TheSirtempest]

I suspect retirees and children will like it the most

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Millenials grew up with EQ as well. I do laugh when people call it a "boomer" game though lol. Boomers by in large didn't even game outside of maybe Atari and 70's arcades.

[@joseph9418]

I deleted my previous comment .. because it was literally UNFOUNDED... it was WRONG .. I WAS WRONG .. PLAY THIS GAME , it's *awesome* ... I cannot express how WRONG I was ... If you like old school EQ , and want a fresh breath of air, play it! My previous deleted comment was something along the lines of "play the current EQ1 and or EQ 2 .. and NOT this ... I was full of it , and HOLDING MYSELF ACCOUNTABLE .. I am having a BLAST WITH THIS GAME! It's VERY refreshing .. and a NEW WORLD to explore!

[@NumbLock]

It really does feel like the continuation of EQ. Loving it. Its only alpha, so a lot is still half done. I made it to the Eastern Plains today. It looks beautiful!

[@twismfamily]

The game is still in alpha, Masteries was temporarily shut off for further development, another player can drag your corpse to help you, there will be a static map later but no gps, this game is very EQ-centric, as much as you were mad at dying it still seems that you were having fun, if you want a quest you need to talk to npc's, there are no quest visuals, if you're in trouble run towards a guard and they will kill it. I would love to know what server you are on and I could help you. I'm a Dwarf Shaman. Cheers mate!

[@Vujkan]

dude in developments from 2014 stfu man,this is dead mmo on release and also now dead too!

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Like EQ this game is designed to be tough and reward players for grouping with others creating stronger social connections between players.

[@kreenbopulusmichael7205]

The pantheon shills are here, the most frustrating group of people I’ve been encountered

[@lkx5257]

​@@MERKMOBB710okay, i see u got a Personal hate against this game since u need to hate on it in SEVERAL comments. Its just sad now, hope u get better soon

[@michaelmorrison5280]

@@kreenbopulusmichael7205 Must be frustrating for sissies like you to deal with the Pantheon chads.

[@charlesjames7189]

Gives a strong Everquest Online Adventures vibe from PS2 era.

[@gfrhines]

Did you see Joppa (Chris Perkins) one of the Leads on the game watched and reacted to your video? It's a good watch! He really appreciated you're view point!

[@KnaveSkye]

"Pantheon is trying to be a unique MMO" by trying to be as much like Everquest as possible, the selling point of the game. As someone who played EQ from Kunark to PoP, but not since...it looks a lot like everquest from corpse runs to trains to zone(it wasnt clear if there was a zone line to run to, which could cause problems)...i dunno, it looks like it is delivering what it set out to...i dont know that i have the time or patience for it 25 years later.

[@venumus1]

Give a try I promise if you enjoyed eq1 u will be hooked on this game it's def a long way from done but it'a definitely the best mmo experience I've had a long time

[@Donler]

I bought the game a while back and will give it a shot. Glad to see a fairly positive review. Looking forward to seeing more Pantheon and MMO content in the future!

[@neburNight26]

Quests you never played EverQuest. All the things you find surprising are basic EverQuest setup. Damn I am old 🤣🤣🤣. Oh and Mob trains are not bad design, it’s a feature 😝.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Train hotkey is a must.

[@JasonCohen99]

/shout train incoming!

[@Zedrie]

I had "choo choo! If you see me running - try to keep up" hotkeyed for years; watching trains on Luclin zone lines was a common 2002 past-time for me XD

[@FreeDoM_nl]

Over a year and a half ago you also had a Watcher of Realms ad. Thats how I found out about that game and Ive been playing it ever since. They sometimes do questionnaires and ask how you found out about the game and I always credit you. Cool to see another ad from that game!

[@jamesdenny1131]

Pantheon is the most fun I've had with an MMORPG since EQ1 and WoW classic.

[@Aelious-]

I started MMOs with EQ and loved the immersive world mixed with a need for other players, who in modern times are more like live NPCs. I hope Visionary Realms is able to see Pantheon to its intended state. I’ve enjoyed playing so far and already get that sense of the world.

[@eric7676]

Coming from a person that loves everquest and wants pantheon to succeed. The design of the game isnt for the current MMORPG players. It aims itself at the older gamers. It wont have a large player base and it will be very hard to draw new players into this more hardcore type of MMORPG

[@raf0419]

As someone whose first MMO was Everquest, I'm having a blast. This is exactly what I wanted it to be. The criticisms are fair if its not your thing, and the graphics are controversial even among fans of the game. Thanks for giving it a shot!

[@ocelotchimes2203]

I was interested in the game, but lost interest as soon as i heard. "Lose a level" by dying. No thanks. My opinion :P.

[@jaredwoodhouse1263]

18:55 - This is how the game encourages you to group. It's a social game. Grab a healer or a DPS class to join you. Or a full group. =)

[@jonprice3560]

Peon! THANK YOU for playing this :) I've been waiting a very long time for the game to come out. I strongly suggest reading the classes because they each bring a very unique aspect to the game (rogues can climb more for instance). i'd love to see you play more, even a play through! would watch in lieu of going to work lol

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Everyone can climb.

[@lardzapper3000]

@@EQOAnostalgia They can climb MORE...

[@Dezarc]

linked the video to a friend and he immediately bought the game for us both as a little christmas gift - one thing i have to add to your review here after a few hours in is that if you plan to play alone, picking something more solo-oriented than warrior would probably be a good choice for exploring the game, since it seems like this one sticks to the original everquest trend of warrior being a monster in a group but paladin/shadow knight (dire lord in pantheon) being better to solo with due to their healing and utility played project 99 for a few weeks as my first dip into actual EQ earlier this year, and to my relatively fresh eyes it's remarkable how much they seem to have captured the world design of that while modernizing the gameplay pretty well - for better or for worse, the punishing elements in pantheon feel deliberate rather than the result of being so early in 3d game history which was my biggest problem with trying to get into p99

[@T.R.75]

i havent given this game much thought over the course of its development, seeing this makes me a bit interested in seeing the final product. keep at it devs. imagine the graphics being so dated are on purpose to give that old school MMO feel. i havent looked at the puter requirements but by the looks of it, it can run on a potato which of course opens it up to a far larger audience than the amazing graphics games that consistently let us down in other ways.

[@keldor8302]

The devs had to start almost from scratch two years ago. When Unity (the engine they were using) got greedy with their license change fiasco. Releasing an mmorpg on their engine with their proposed changes would bankrupt the developers. They made the decision to develop their own engine and start from scratch. What you're seeing is a small developer make a new engine and mmo in roughly two years. Yeah, it's rough. But the alternative was to never release the game on account of what Unity was doing to their license.

[@Pyriold]

@@keldor8302 Wrong. They still use unity and they want to upgrade to unity 6. The problem was that at their previous graphics fidelity, with their limited man power, they just could not create as much content as is needed for a huge scale MMO. So they either had to make a very small scale MMO, kill the game or make this change that allows them to make content like 10 times faster. While i liked the old style i think they made the right decision.

[@jefepeeps4308]

Are the graphics an issue for anyone? I feel like I'd want better graphics in 2024 but please let me know your thoughts.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Great game so far. Did a 1 hour impressions myself. Recommend for classic fans of the genre.

[@Sunglare1]

19:30: you were only 2 minutes from your body. Knowing the way helps. you put yourself in that situation by going into a camp 9f mobs just to get some ore. You can outrun mobs, dont burn your endurance all the way down. Run to guards they will help you.

[@Muttchismo]

Was great seeing you experience a good ole beat down from a EQ style corpse run, lol. Thanks for the review it was awesome.

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

You ppl and your nostalgia for obnoxious and tedious mechanics that serve only to waste your time is nauseating at this point. How many games with this mechanic have to fail in the current market till you realize your nostalgia is why the games you want never succeed. Also, it doesn't even make sense. It's not like a corpse run is more realistic. I don't recall anyone i knew coming back to life after a 5k spirit run. If you want hardcore then a hardcore game mode makes sense and adds immersion. Long corpse runs are simply lazy development and people like you allow those lazy developers to spin it as "old school" or "classic". Gimme an actual break man.

[@MagnificentErgo]

​@Thee-_-Outlier I needed an actual break from that word vomit you spewed. Who gives a shit about what other people choose to play? It's creepy and weird to be so hyperfocused on something that doesn't affect you in the least. Take your head out of the ass of others and play something that suits you, ffs. If it fails, it fails.

[@dessius]

@@Thee-_-Outlier this guy lost his corpse*

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

@@dessius this guy wouldn't dare spend money on this DOA hot garbage. So, no

[@Cloudien]

​@Thee-_-Outlier Lol so your just haunting a review of a game that you haven't actually played. This checks out lmao

[@KurganGrey]

Great and fair video! Things you dislike - Most of them will improve with time except running back to corpse and probably the npc chase, but the length of the chase is individual though, and depending on what mob it is. I have been playing ~1 year now and i must say the amount of work VR have done under 2024 is very impressive, can't wait to see what they will implement and polish under 2025. Pantheon rise of the Fallen is my new home when it comes to MMOrpg. An advise - Try to find a group and do a run into the Goblincave at lvl ~5-8, that was my first group dungeon in Pantheon, and i loved it - It felt dangerous and rewarding, and kept me on my toes all time ..Observe, this is not a game for those that crave handholding in everything they do, one actually have to figure things out in Pantheon with friends or by oneself.

[@QUITTERMAKER]

level 10 ranger, cleric and wizard. loving this game

[@tastrimgaming3440]

I’ve been playing the game and it’s actually a lot of fun. It’s all about being in a group and enjoying it together. I’ve never really played with any groups since EQ or made any actual friendships until this game.

[@devilevilwayz]

That’s the problem with other mmo’s is when they try to make the game less tedious and easier the people stop playing it cuz they say it’s boring.

[@kestutisvedegys7820]

Not true, games are boring because they are boring dev do not try to add anything interesting and just copy paste each other. This game will not survive cause it look booring, is super tedious and it lacks the chalenge they simply copied old mmo put a new name on it and said look a new game.

[@michaelmorrison5280]

The tediousness is intentional to foster communication and cooperation between players. It's not bad design, it's just designed for social play at the expense of solo players. Say you die far from where you're bound, you message a healer in the zone you died in and ask for a resurrection. Many are willing to help, some might ask for payment, a very small minority will outright ignore you. You make connections, you give and receive favors, you make a name for yourself on your server. Everyone now knows the name Zoltar, and he was on screen for like 2 minutes. That's also why the corpse mechanics exist. Some classes have skillsets that make corpse retrieval easy. Wizards, Rogues, Enchanters, Necromancers, Summoners, all are good for retrieving corpses, some easier than others. Also, how much challenge do you expect at level 1-5 bro? Those are literally the tutorial levels.

[@blahtime99]

@@kestutisvedegys7820 no, you're just wrong. You sound like u are the kind of person that gets mad when they can't solo well in an mmo...go play single player games...

[@Tyrownious]

@@kestutisvedegys7820lacks challenge lol did you even play it? Or just talk shit without knowing

[@Loganzist]

I have about 50 hours in it and I love the game. It reminds me so much of EQ back in the day how difficult it is. It doesn’t hold your hand. It slaps you in the face. It’s an intense not for everybody. Great game.

[@Yor_gamma_ix_bae]

launching a game for such a tiny niche audience seems like a bad business decision. I think that is somewhat appealing. Sort of a game for a specific group of people instead of profit margins.(guessing they do want to make money, but that can’t be the main goal.)

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Many said the same thing about Baldur's Gate 3. I don't expect this to be as successful but the potential player base could be much bigger than you realize.

[@Kon8603]

Thanks for covering it. It's definitely not for everyone but it's coming along. They're patching it often and moving in the right direction.

[@EQOAnostalgia]

facts

[@zacharytresidentdigimonenj3397]

The game is actually extremely fun for what it is. I'm 20h in and having a blast. Amazing game to play with a friend. Has a real true sense of progression

[@sterlihalla]

SURE

[@EQOAnostalgia]

Great game, fk the haters.

[@Extolence]

It's a group oriented game, so if that aint your style, probably gonna have a bad time; thus some of those negatives push you to do so. Like the crafting system it seems, pushed you to make gear when initially you didn't want to, you'll have to invest in it.

[@SymbiosomeSyn]

Still really in Alpha, with non optimal performance, not all zones or classes or races, basic models, and bad UI. they call it EA cause they need the money from Steam purchases, but there will be wipes and this is not final product. Having all that said, its addictive, rewarding, and maddening all at once. Not great for your mental health! In my opinion darkness is too brutal, and they can point you to your corpses at least. That said, grouping is real, you build reputation, people either trust you or not. People will not go places with you if you are misbehaving. Its the real thing. Has strong potential for those who like social games.

[@beaudamien]

Is there auto move and auto loot? Two most important key bindings in a game.

[@IronSalamander8]

EQ was my first MMO and this definitely has EQ vibes. The corpse run/lose XP/lose a level thing is very much classic EQ, and part of the reason that my cleric alt got her click stick. Those of us in our MMO group that still play MMOs discussed giving it a try, but it doesn't really look like there's any reason to bother when you can just go back and play EQ right now.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

It depends upon wanting to relive EQ or wanting a new game with similar playstyle. For those who have spent a few years playing on classic EQ servers this could release at the perfect moment

[@Saiku]

Not only was EQ way better than this, but there's a reason EQ died when WoW came out. It wasn't even good for its time.

[@joseph9418]

You hit the nail on the head. Besides this isn't at all what the game was suppose to look like, and meant to have MANY more "environmental mechanics" that will not be added. This is just a sad attempt to get the game out, to meet the commitments of the "pledges" and possibly NOT get sued.....

[@lazycrate71]

I tried EQ becasue i was too young when it came out but the clunky interface and graphics didnt make it for me. pantheon on the other side i love

[@FairyRat]

Very informative, thanks for the video! Judging by what I've seen here I agree with pretty much every point you brought up. I personally don't have my hopes high for Pantheon... I mean I would be happy if it was to eventually succeed and become a great game, but chances are, like with any indie MMORPG, very close to zero.

[@KrypticKodex]

you can know the lvl of a mob via the consider system. Yes, most people wont enjoy this game. Everyone has adhd, and cant go without 2mins without clicky and scrolling imo.

[@agostonbazmajer1100]

People want quality games nowadays and not a lackluster vehicle for social interaction. Just because that worked in 1999 doesn't mean it's going to make sense today. I'm sure that the 690 active players really love the game though, so that's cool, I guess.

[@PepperK-n]

​@@agostonbazmajer1100they've spent so long in development, and spent so much money already, that they're going to need a sufficiently large player base to keep this alive. And there's the problem. You can't make a big-budget, niche game. Pick one!!

[@ThePhaiden]

Great video, you missed the main part of the game of grouping, which is what we came back for.

[@EricN73158]

Omg this is a lot like Everquest. I want to play but I'll wait till it comes out. The reason why EQ was good was you struggle together. The game was sometimes not easy, it forced you to more or less always team up. When you died in EQ your body had everything on it. Asking for help was normal and other players most of the time did help you. I remember dying in lower guk once in classic EQ as a warrior and it was painful to get my body back. So I asked others for help and they showed up to support because they know how hard doing a corpse run can be. It really is a good game it is just people today cant put in the time to see and experience it and they just brush it off as being bad.

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

Sadly the market for pay to win games that provide very limited opportunities to interact with other players have dominated the market. Hopefully enough people will embrace this game to encourage more like it or at least regular expansions. The punishment of death makes for a much more intense experience.

[@EricN73158]

@@MERKMOBB710 not sure about boring to play. Boring to watch maybe. I never played EQ2 so I can't really comment on it.

[@peterjanbo657]

​@@MERKMOBB710I had more fun here than eq2

[@The_left_hand_pillar]

You clearly haven't made it into dungeon play it's very fast paced almost too fast paced

[@einer1314]

Look up Monsters & Memories. They have play tests every so often and will launch an always on server in Jan 2026.

[@duncanwallace7760]

Loved your description of the death penalty (aka sending the debt collectors around etc). Believe it or not the death penalty is easy-mode compared with Everquest where you respawned naked! The fear factor really adds to the scariness of the world and the immersion. The community on my server has been a real highlight. There's always someone there to help you find your corpse or even summon it for you and plenty of advice if you're stuck on something. Loving the game.

[@VRIceblast]

Death is something you fear, unlike pretty much every other game, where it doesn't really matter that much. It means you have to think before you do something. You have to plan, because if you don't respect the mobs, they will kill you. If you know where the zone line is, you can run your train to the zone line, and cross over, which you'll lose aggro. Death can be a Pita, but I've had great experiences in the process of going after my corpse as well. Because I've made friends that helped me while doing it. Also, not sure if Pantheon has this or not, but EQ did. You can use /corpse, and drag your corpse. Usually, you can Activate it a small distance from your corpse, which will basically summon your corpse to you. So you can do it, outside the aggro range of a mob, or you can make a macro with /corpse on it, and just run by, spamming it, and just keep dragging your corpse, till you get some place save. Corpse runs can be a pita, but I'm glad to see Pantheon is doing it. If you don't respect death, or the mobs, then it really makes fighting mobs boring. Having Consequences for your actions, is very important.

[@DMM_Fan]

This has t obe exaplined by the Game. People will have to die so many times to learn the basics. And usually this leads to quiting

[@VRIceblast]

​@@DMM_Fan Those players aren't the one's you want for that game anyway. This isn't a game for just casual players, that need everything put on a silver platter.

[@TheSirtempest]

​@@VRIceblastif you don't have players, you don't have income. Remember what happened to Wildstar.

[@VRIceblast]

@@TheSirtempest This game isn't targeting casual players. It's looking for old school players. Players that aren't afraid to have to work for what they get.

[@DraekosTV]

@@DMM_Fan I was actually thinking of a cool low level quest line where you end up getting killed and then the NPC explains how you drag your corpse. I think it would be a funny a fun starter quest 😂

[@YouLikeBosch]

man an MMO with less information sounds kinda fun. No map, no levels - just kinda edge your way in and feel zones out. That'd be kinda cool.

[@mikefromct5415]

i am really enjoying it!

[@austinekael]

The game has potential. It honestly looks like an alpha stage seeing you play. I believe this game will go far if it goes the right direction

[@hououinkyouma1488]

The game looks very fun despite the visuals and ui being very rough

[@bobthor9647]

I don't get what people expect. Outside the starting zone are cooler looking areas and mobs besides bears. Every UI is buttons that you press to kill mobs and a health bar

[@Ehlk]

Visuals look way better in game - especially fog, rain etc. UI does need work though

[@Nikua13]

You name a game with an even smaller dev group in Project Gorgon. Man that game has crap graphics but a hundred different full functioning and working subsystems. I do so love it. that being said Pantheon has been in development for over 10 years. I enjoy playing it but does it look like ten years of development. its graphics look like 10 year or more in age. Pantheon taught me not to back video games via kick starter. does it give a proper feel for old EQ players? i think it does. one thing i may have missed in your video is that this game will run much older systems. I hope that they can bring it together in the next 10 years. I enjoy the game, i play almost daily. However, i am no fan boy that will tell you it is all wonderful. i think your critique is accurate.

[@InsomniAddictMovies]

I was very exicted for this game during the early years of development, it was being made by Brad McQuaid, the designer for EverQuest, but he sadly passed away 5 years ago and development slowee tremendously.

[@Gooseys11]

​@@MERKMOBB710you're a broken record in these comments. How sad your life must be to waste so much time trying to convince others to be as angry as you.

[@keldor8302]

The game was being made in Unity and was nearing early release state a few years ago. When Unity pulled their greedy bullshit. The devs had to jump ship and start almost from scratch two years ago. What you're seeing is essentially an mmo made in a little over two years by a small developer. It's rough, it's incomplete, and has a long road ahead still. But much of that rests on the head of Unity's greed a few years ago. The licensing changes would have bankrupt and shuttered the developers if they released using Unity.

[@lazycrate71]

trippin is just peak humanity garbage tbh

[@Nikua13]

@@keldor8302 i do not want to cause a dust up here, but graphics are the over lay for your lore, systems, quests, and mechanics. What i hear when people talk about the unity portions, and it was crippling, was that they had nothing else going for this game beyond graphics. i am not a coder and i dont know who game are made, but i would think there should have been much more under the hood than the graphics. i think this game is fun. i just dont know where it is going or if it will make it.

[@motive7475]

It was slower when Brad had the helm

[@uspatriot6414]

Very fair review. I'm a backer of this game and I used to play Everquest since Beta.

[@benonai]

Hey @TheLazyPeon this is Benonai with @StaticGroupLive . Wanted to let you know we're giving you and your Pantheon review vid a shoutout on our Saturday podcast, "Rewind." Thanks so much for the honest review and hope you jump back in as the game gets better and better each week.

[@Forish]

Kinda FF11 style enemy difficulty I like it

[@Matt_Surname]

The bones are there. I don't think I would play it in it's current state, but with some TLC, mob leashing, and improved UI I could definitely see it being an AoC competitor.

[@slashrocks19801]

Kind of surprised that there's not a lot more people playing this game on steam. Perhaps they are thinking like me it's early access and I want to play a complete game.

[@MrAcorn911]

because there's like 6k-10k people that bought the game before it went to steam and didn't re-buy the game on steam just to show up on steam metrics.

[@zenfar1892]

Yeah theres about 10kish in total actually playing, most aren't on steam

[@omegand.]

You are surprised that a turbo niche early access mmo that looks like a piece of shit has no players?

[@MrAcorn911]

@@omegand. ????? There's 22 servers, 2 of which are EU and 1 OCE and Shards of existing servers that can automatically spool up when servers fill. Most servers are High population servers and some have multiple shards. Speak more about something you apparently know nothing about.

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

Or perhaps they are thinking, like me, that I'm not into 15 minute corpse runs or getting pegged, when represented on a ven diagram those people are one circle

[@atomicbarbarian7372]

lol watching Craig live through the Everquest corpse run death loop made me really nostalgic.

[@rickbotic6063]

The chokehold this game has on me. Its exactly what I've been looking for since Everquest scars of velious. Once luclin came around it added too many QoL that hurt the hardcore nature of the game, which was a slippery slope that lead to more things leaving eq unrecognizable. Pantheon is a return to form ive been craving jumping from mmo to mmo looking for the eq experience. Ive leveled every class to level 5 so far and a shaman and monk to level 10. I know the general audience is going to hate this game and thats fine. Not every game needs to be made for everybody. hell if eq can survive for 25 years with a niche audience, I think pantheon has the potential to do the same.

[@Tyrownious]

Once you get to about level 5 and start doing the grouped areas and seeing better abilities and harder enemies it gets more and more addicting. With entire zones basically being like a dungeon such as Halnir’s cave at about level 10 with mechanics and fights that become much more engaging and difficult

[@Maniak-e8b]

if you are used to quest markers on NPC, mini map , hitting max level FAST, tackling content solo and having your hand held, this is NOT the game for you

[@DontMindMeImAnIdiot]

Lvl 21 solo only wizard here. 😊

[@chaotikcavalier515]

As an old school EQ player doing corpse runs in The Plane of Fear for what? Six hours or so? Watching Peon painfully time travel back to 1994 tickled me a bit. Not gonna lie :) Welcome to the school of Ancient Age Brother :)

[@chaotikcavalier515]

See if you can find some old videos of Castle Mistmoore trains in EQ back in the day. May look familiar :)

[@PhluXx1]

First game you've played in a while that makes me want to buy and play it.

[@tomfoolery1967]

This game is the most fun I've had in an MMO in a very, very long time. The particle effects are gorgeous. The main visual work it needs is animation, character models and UI. But the bones are SO solid. It plays so smoothly, and grouping is a lot of fun. I think the death penalty is good though. It gives you that wariness that other games lack. You're afraid to die and try to avoid it and it limits some areas you can go solo unless you're very creative. I love it.

[@micheljolicoeur6094]

Craig, our hero taking another one for the team, Craig you got f'ed 4 times because you lost experience twice on top of losing items and a death run. Lose loot, experience and levels on death, just what we all wanted the ability to play a game and make negative progress after playing for hours.

[@defixon]

Yes, it's called player vs environment (PVE), and requires you to not mindlessly run around killing mobs without a thought in your mind. Now there's consequences to death, which makes you a bit more weary about running through a zone or going into a new area to fight. Some of us enjoy that. If you rather collect 25 quests, stare at a minimap while running from waypoint to waypoint then yea, this game wont be for you.

[@Thebuzzer1]

u obv could never handle a true mmorpg like back in the day. It makes me laugh because the punishment was worse in the classic games and people can't deal with logical game mechanics.

[@keldor8302]

Considering the few hundred thousand people playing HARDCORE WoW. Where dying means your character is just done unless you transfer it. There's clearly an audience that wants their games to have a sense of risk vs reward. He was in an area designed for small groups to grind mob spawns. He got greedy and paid the price. That's a lesson you have to learn in this game. Also, if he had a shaman or cleric. They could have ressed him. Which not only prevent the run back. But also helps restore some of the lost xp. At higher levels, Necromancers can literally summon your corpse for you that also restores some of the lost xp. The death system adds weight and meaning to your choices. It also creates a demand for certain classes. Giving more purpose than simply "do damage, heal damage, tank damage." This game does have its issues. It's in an alpha state. But the death system isn't one of those issues. This isn't the game for you. That's okay. But don't try to spin that as a negative for everyone. This is a selling point for some.

[@nickrn2432]

This isnt wow, go play your kid games , leave the real mmos to the real players

[@TheSirtempest]

​@@keldor8302this isn't wow and won't have that kind of player base fueled by nostalgia

[@Dougbug927]

Lazy, I knew I could count on you to be fair and objective. I enjoy Pantheon and Ashes and thought you did a good job giving impressions as always.

[@Deathrydar]

19:00 You can drag your corpse by creating a macro /corpse This will allow you to grab it without aggroing the MOBs near it.

[@BuzWeaver]

As an original EQ player from March of 1999, it was amusing to watch someone experience what we went through in the classic MMO mode. When WOW came out a lot of game mechanics changed as a result of players not liking the harsh death systems, lack of in-game maps, quest and non-hand holding. Pantheon, for all intent and purpose, is designed to recreate that old school feeling. Your impressions were fair and understandable, considering the day an age we're in with game mechanics and graphics. A close friend of mine is still playing EQ. Amazing to think it's been 25 years.

[@Zedrie]

Glad I wasn't the only one - getting agitated and going off with "sorry I didn't bring a five man group to mine a piece of ore" had me dying... there was a lot of yelling at the monitor in EQ 25 years ago. A lot.

[@coveofpentagrams2671]

Great Video! thanks a bunch !

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

This game has the art style of shroud of the avatar. Thats not good....not good. Also, people who call things like a 10 minute corpse run a fun, nostalgic mechanic, 100% are into getting pegged

[@pheralanpathfinder4897]

I'm guessing you prefer pay to win games where forming a group with other players is rare. Why hate on people that enjoy challenging games designed to be played with others?

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

@pheralanpathfinder4897 what's challenging about a 10 minute death run? The loss of xp is the real penalty in game. Wasting your time irl is a bad penalty for immersion imo

[@Saiku]

​@@pheralanpathfinder4897 there's nothing challenging about it, only punishing and time wasting

[@Pyriold]

You did not get the point of corpse runs. Nobody thinks they are fun. Because they are not fun you want to avoid them. That leads to way more respect for the in game world and way more adrenaline release if things get dicey.

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

@Pyriold you make it make less sense with that reasoning. The punishment shouldn't WASTE irl time. The punishment shoudk take xp which it does or perhaps if you a real sadomasochist then losing your gear without being able to run and get it would also be an appropriate punishment. Making you ghost run is not immersive or creative and is a flat out insult and disrespect for a players playtime. You make your reply as if ghost runs are the only option to have the desired effect. It's been 25 years, I think we can come up with something new, no?

[@yongjeonsa5906]

Yay! New LazyPeon video! ❤

[@DrPluton]

No mini-map. No world map in game. Corpse runs. Experience loss. That sounds like a hassle more than a game I would want to spend my time playing.

[@Pyriold]

Might not be for you yes. But it gets the blood pumping way more than games that are too convenient. In other MMOs i just shrug off a death, while here i actively try very hard to avoid it.