Aldgate Station London 1990s Memories

Trains and a few buses at Aldgate Underground station London in the early 1990's.
Metropolitan Main Line A & Circle Line C stock trains are seen at the station plus District Line D78 stock trains are seen passing by whilst travelling between Aldgate East and Tower Hill stations.
The C stock views include the use of "selective close", a feature which closes 3 of the 4 pairs of doors per car. The idea is that in winter it reduces the loss of heat, so should make the train a little warmer when it is stopped at stations (with open doors) for a few minutes. I am not sure that it helps a lot, but maybe it is of some benefit.
Also seen are many views of the station, 'next train' passenger information displays, etc. Some of the footage of the ticket gate line was taken from outside the station.
Although primarily about trains the first few minutes of this film also shows several buses at Minories bus station and an unidentified former Green Line RMC (Routemaster Coach) on Central Area red bus route No.X15.

[@robertfeld5829]

I miss the old trains.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

me too!

[@robertfeld5829]

citytransportinfo I miss the unpainted aluminium trains - just like I miss the old No Smoking signs of the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines. Is that normal?

[@tonyevans3695]

So do I.

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

@@robertfeld5829 the 1972mk2 with a few ex Northern line 1972mk1 trains and the 1973 stock still operate on the Bakerloo and Piccadilly lines. Maintenance and operational costs are going up all the time as these trains get older. Parts for older stock are hard to find these days.

[@robtyman4281]

So do I. They ran until 2012.

[@mrkipling2201]

The Hammersmith and city line was shown as a separate line from 1990. Before that it was shown as part of the metropolitan line so if the Hammersmith and city line isn’t shown here separately it should give some idea of the date of the video. Hope this helps!! Great video!! I love the old videos showing our social history!!

[@QuarioQuario54321]

The hammersmith and city line doesn’t go to Aldgate. It does go to Aldgate East.

[@mrkipling2201]

@@QuarioQuario54321 that’s right. The metropolitan line stops at Aldgate and the Hammersmith and city line Aldgate East.

[@DoubleACbg]

Nice... the sights and sounds take me back to my first visit to London in 1993. Who knows, I might have been in this footage and not known it!

[@johnhayward4456]

Brings back happy memories for me I was working as a T/OP at Hammersmith depot late 80’s to early 90’s. Loved the C stock.

[@1973ts]

Great video, happy memories of using Aldgate and Minories bus station.

[@execelsior999]

I remember Aldgate and Aldgate Station & Bus Terminus very well. I used to go to school at Sir John Cass on Dukes Place from 1948-1953. I lived on Cambridge Heath Road above the Pie 'n' Mash Shop that my parent ran at Mile End Gate. I remember the cafes and in particular J. Lyons, at the right of the entrance and also the other shops across the road. I used to take the 653 Trolleybus to Aldgate Terminus - the fare cost 1 old penny for kids and 2 old pennies for adults! The Bus Terminus was a Railway Goods Depot during the war and my mother was stationed here - she would take a couple of huge Belgian horses out with a cart and develop and collect goods in the Docks and City until 1945. I remember the Terminus - it was filled with Trolleybuses that went to Tottenham Court Road via Hackney, Manor Park, Finsbury Park and Holloway (653 - now 253 and another number) and also to Ilford (661?) and Barking (567) via the Commercial Road. When I left Sir John Cass, I went to school in Bunhill Fields and often took the Underground to Aldgate from Moorgate. We used to wait to get the train that consisted of coach with compartments which were pulled by those locomotives with names of past famous Britons (e.g. John Milton,Oliver Goldsmith) - we would ride the train to Aldgate and then return to Liverpool Street where I took the Central Line. We enjoyed this ride as we had the compartment to ourselves and so we could smoke and sing loud and rude songs without anyone bothering us (we were eleven years old remember!). Aldgate was a wonderful place - lots of history, old and new - the markets were great - Wentworth Street was a great joy with wonderful foods. Gardner's Corner was a nightmare and despite the demolition of the Department Store and the re-routing of the traffic, it is still a nightmare!!!! If you enjoyed what I have written or even if you are amused by it,check out my websites where more plus photographs may be found: eastend-memories.org and stories-of-london.org - the sites are full of history and personal memories put together in, what I hope is, an interesting manner. Cheers.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Fantastic memories. You may enjoy David Bradley's trolleybus website www.trolleybus.net/ - this includes a few photos from Aldgate Trolleybus and Green Line Coach station!

[@jacksugden8190]

Earliest memories are around 1959/1960/1961 seeing trolleybuses at the London Transport Green Line and Trolleybus Station as was then, would come up from Brentwood in the 721 Green Line coach, a green RT, there is still a trolleybus traction standard in the station which had attached span wires for the pantograph for the trolleys.

[@IndigoJo]

Wow, never knew RMCs were still in operation in 1990. We saw loads of RMs and RMLs on routes in Croydon (notably the 68 and 159) when I was growing up in the 80s but I never saw a folding back door.

[@1973ts]

the RMC was a depot pet of BW I think, I recall seeing it on the 15s.

[@AlexMetroman]

Some great shots of the silver trains Simon. The station and stock look very run down!

[@JeffsTagtripp]

Really good movies. Like the atmosphere you captured.

[@rsdworker]

i like it - so needs show today's views as well with new S stocks in it and new buses

[@tonyevans3695]

Worked on the A60 surface stock in the 1970s at Neasden depot. Easy maintenance. These and the Routemaster bus design should have been brought into the 21 century.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Thanks :-)

[@denzel9086]

25+ years on, I work 5 mins down the road now having not been born at the time of this recording

[@jamesknights7134]

not sure if anyone else noticed, but on that last shot of the old A (Amersham) Stock under the "New" roundel there was still the old London Transport logo. I just about remember that on the old stock (was only 5 in 1990!)

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I noticed! I think it was because London Transport had been dismembered and as part of preparations for privatisation the Underground become a limited company - Lonon Underground Ltd or LUL, which is still the situation today (2013). Simon

[@owenchuarbx]

citytransportinfo Are they any Leyland Olympians serving in london during the 1990s?

[@jacksugden8190]

Those now scraped A Stock trains by 1990 were well past their sell by date. They were 30 years old then, bone shakers in all respects, S8’s are much nicer.

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

Now the S stock replaced the A, C and D stocks on the Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan and District lines

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

thanks :-) yes, all footage was filmed by me.

[@3qeidenwastiktok391]

citytransportinfo was there cameras back in the late 90s and how did u post this in KZbin that’s all I have to ask

[@pmk2000]

thank you for the video! It is very detailed and really put a lot of effort on filming. I like those classic LU stock which runs with DC motors, really like to see the old days of LU. And thx to London Underground that share its technologies and experience to the MTR in the 1970's, helped us to create a successful, efficient and reliable mass transit system in Hong Kong...I've heard that in the early years, some operation handbook of the HK MTR are referenced from the ATO-equipped Victoria Line.

[@GX2903]

If you looked closely, you can see how much the MTR in the 80s resembled the London Underground at the time. From the station signs and the trains, especially the C69/77 and D78 stocks !

[@jacksugden8190]

90’s wasn’t much to get excited about, I went through lots of changes then, lived my life dealing as now in 2019 - challenges.

[@robtyman4281]

I think this video is from the early 90's.....most likely 1990. As no mention of the Hammersmith & City Line, which used to be a another branch of the Metropolitan line, but was made a new line later in 1990.

[@svetlanarocha]

Like how lights go out at points

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

yes, but at least the trains had batteries so some lights stayed on - on other electric rail systems passengers would be in pitch black for a few seconds during the hours of darkness

[@01dazolympia]

There is a bus pulling out of Aldgate bus station called Goldline. This as the service between London Aldgate to Reading Berkshire. A few years later it only went to Victoria and was eventually stopped.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I remember that, and the jointly operated through service between Reading and Southend-on-Sea.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I've never thought of things that way, because the Met and District did share metals over the Circle Line. Indeed, the Met built the section around west London as far as South Kensington (which explains the former 4 track section of track at South Ken & Gloucester Rd) and for many years there was a law requiring them to jointly operate the Circle Line as a proper circle (not just Moorgate - Mansion House via west London). Alas the LPTB quietly got this legal requirement in the 1930's.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I did consider filming 2013 footage but since this film is already 14 minutes long so decided that it should be solely historical. Analytical statistics show that people dont like and dont watch very long films. However a contrasts version may yet be made. I would need to time my filming carefully, as at present there are barely half a dozen S stock workings on the District Line which pass by this station.

[@harryelliott4310]

District Line D78 Tube Stock

[@harryelliott4310]

Hammersmith & City Line C Tube Stock

[@J.J23]

Wow 4:43 remind me of Journal Square Path Station… on the far right trains to Newark 2nd to far right trains to Journal Square from 33rd the on the left side trains to 33rd st and the far left side trains to World Trade Center (WTC)

[@harryelliott4310]

Circle Line C Tube Stock

[@danielwoodhouse8720]

at 12:26 that D stock train passes through a bit too quick ive never seen a D stock move that fast

[@dez3540]

At 8:41 I thought that A Stock departed quite quickly as well And I'd say the D Stock at 10:01 was travelling ever slightly too fast, but yeah the one at 12:26 was a bit mad lol - might've been running a bit late mind you

[@trainfanatic4083]

Woah you're right!

[@NC-002]

Trains on the network have been slowed down in recent years to improve reliability, so that might explain why.

[@jacksugden8190]

Same speed as ever.

[@LiftFan]

The first D stock that's shown traveling to Aldgate East is going a lot faster than I've seen trains pass that section these days! Any idea on the maximum line speed there?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

sorry no. But maybe trains travel more quickly at quiet times and also, since trains are more frequent nowadays so they bunch up more and have to travel more slowly.

[@harryelliott4310]

Metropolitan Line A Tube Stock

[@stgeorgesbadmintonclub.har1605]

Thanks for the film, what I noticed was the lack of passengers, empty platforms and trains a complete contrast to today's underground, what day of the week and time did you film this video?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

This was filmed between Christmas and the New Year, when very comparatively few people were actually at work. I dont recall the exact day / time of day.

[@EssexWolf1993]

Back when the Tube had lots and lots of character.

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

Yes but even in 1990 it was only a mere shadow if its former self. Pre WW2 was probably the best of times.

[@user-lj6jp8qp7z]

11:11 is the closest The District Line comes to meeting The Metropolitan Line as the two lines never connect with each other.

[@oludotunjohnshowemimo434]

They did when the Hammersmith and City line was originally part of the Metropolitan line between Aldgate East and Barking.

[@trainfanatic4083]

Do you know who voices the 'Mind the Gap' announcement heard at this station?

[@EssexWolf1993]

I think that one was someone named Keith Wilson, Industrial Sales Manager of PA Communications Ltd. in Milton Keynes (May 1990). Who supplied their recording to 10 Tube stations at the time.

[@ViralVlogSquad]

Oswald Lawrence

[@NC-002]

Those C Stock trains look incredibly dated in the old unpainted silver, and also wasn't Aldgate build ontop of an old plague pit?

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

By not painting the aluminium the trains were lighter and used less energy. Alas graffiti vandalism made it more attractive to paint the trains (easier to keep the trains clean) I do not know about Aldgate station and the plague pit.

[@NC-002]

Well the C Stocks refurb couldnt have come soon enough, regarding plague pits, Aldgate was directly above one and so I believe was St Mary's Tube Station i think

[@NoddyMaccy]

My station (Bank) was built on top of an old plague pit.

[@2icelollys1goat]

I'd venture to say this was in the 80s, as the cars and peoples dress seems 'wrong' for the 90s

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I bought my first camcorder in the Christmas sales between Christmas 1989 and New Year 1990. I do not recall exactly when I filmed this but it was early in the 1990's.

[@2icelollys1goat]

citytransportinfo Okay buddy. I think I was trying to sound clever before. So, I'm sorry to cast doubt on the dates you referred to.

[@annescholey6546]

Reminds me of Zootopia with its ramshackle metro system like the humans gave it to the animals for free😊

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

Uh this was filmed before zootopia came out

[@trainfanatic4083]

I love those screeching noises

[@ViralVlogSquad]

Why is your account an S stock train

[@trainfanatic4083]

@@ViralVlogSquad Because I love trains :p

[@bigmoose7]

mind the gap

[@harryelliott4310]

Circle Line C Tube Stock And District Line D78 Tube Stock And Hammersmith & City Line C Tube Stock And Metropolitan Line A Tube Stock Aldgate East Tube Station 🚉 And Aldgate Tube Station 🚉 And Tower Hill Tube Station 🚉

[@CitytransportInfoplus]

I think the Metropolitan Railway would cringe at being seen as a tube train service - it always saw itself as more like a main line railway whose route network included some subsurface sections of railway which were built as 'cut and cover' tunnels. After all, it ran goods trains, express trains, commuter trains, its trains offered both 1st and 3rd class travel, its jointly operated services included hauling Great Western Railway trains over its metals (the GWR City Stock between Paddington and Aldgate) and offering passengers freshly cooked light refreshments in luxurious Pullman carriages (as usual a supplementary fare had to be paid to travel in a Pullman carriage).

[@jokingtime]

,déz cyf