Why Turbo Is Disney's Best Twist Villain

[@nicoyeetzawa5342]

The thing that Disney misunderstood in their later movies is that Wreck-It-Ralph didn’t reveal that there WAS a villain, they revealed that THE villain went much deeper than anyone expected

[@luridityy]

thats why wreck it ralph is the 2nd best disney movie quote me😍 edit: first is hunchback lol

[@jenniferhiemstra5228]

YEP. In, fact you can tell (or should be able to tell) he’s the villain by the time Ralph gets rolled into the castle in that cupcake…but we’re wondering until the 11th hour what his deal is. And it’s a great “OH SHIT” moment when we do find out. That said…this reminds me why twist villains are hard to do correctly. As much as I want to not know that they’re a villain at all until later, that’s not good script writing and narrative structure. It’s more real life…but it’s just not good for writing purposes. “For evil to have the upper hand, it must disguise itself” is a phrase I believe in and live by. But it doesn’t translate well to storytelling.

[@fishdude2954]

Also keep in mind that the credit for the writing and character work here goes to Rich Moore (director), Phil Johnston (head screenwriter), Jim Reardon (screenwriter), Josie Trinidad (story artist/animation department), Lorelay Bove (production art, character design), and others who don't get much fanfare. Disney loves to just make people see their films as "Disney Movies" rather than "[Name of Director] Movies", and a lot of times someone who becomes famous for a heavily-marketed movie gets retroactive credit for things they didn't have a big part in. For example, the eventual director of Frozen came to work on Wreck-It Ralph when the movie was already like 90% done (which she admitted), but because she's famous people mindlessly assume she must be the most important person in anything she ever worked on, so other people like the ones above miss out on credit.

[@jenniferhiemstra5228]

@@fishdude2954 Jennifer Lee? Honestly, F that woman. Because you're right. Most things she's had a bigger hand in terms of writing, are borderline trash. She's the very definition of 'focus group and corporate synergy' writing and it shows BIG time. Funnily enough, she not credited as being a writer on the future Frozen 3...so far. Not that this means it'll be good though. I couldn't care less about it, they screwed up the 2nd badly enough anyway.

[@tracemacmillan9718]

@@luridityywhat’s the first?

[@cybertramon0012]

My favourite moment with King Candy is when he convinced Ralph to not let Venelope race. Because his reasoning is very sound. He’s not trying to bribe Ralph or appeal to his greed or ego. He’s appealing to his heart. At that point, we assumed he was the villain because he keeping Venelope out of the races to protect the game. In fact, if Ralph hadn’t seen her on the side of the arcade, he would’ve won.

[@hunterolaughlin]

Same manipulation technique Stinky Pete used in Toy Story 2 as well to convince Woody to stay and go to the museum. His reasoning is also very sound as well because kids do inevitably outgrow their toys and stop playing with them. But like King Candy he also leaves out a dark truth that he clearly knows and intentionally keeps from the lead character. King Candy, I’m sure knew about Vanellope’s picture on the side of the game console, but kept Ralph from knowing. Stinky Pete probably knew they’d be behind glass, but kept it hidden from Woody by only saying “He’d be adored by thousands of children”, so Woody gets the wrong idea of what life in the museum would be like and it’s only Buzz shattering this delusion that gets Woody to realize how life in a museum is much more harder than it is, and in a way discover Stinky Pete’s manipulation.

[@davidnissim589]

Plus the scenario he describes (players thinking the game is broken due to her glitch) is plausible, which means that he wasn’t technically lying, he was just twisting his words on purpose

[@raymondfisheriii791]

@@davidnissim589not to mention it goes deeper since wasn’t it implied that Turbo/King Candy is the reason for Vanelope’s glitching? It would make sense if it were a thing of him rewriting himself into the code as royalty might’ve just… stole Vanelope’s role in the narrative of her own game, so even though she wasn’t erased from the code all together, part of her own history is missing. It’s like if amnesia also caused you to have physical effects on reality. Basically, the game might not’ve been broken until he crashed through the system, and he’s basically been trying to hide the hole with a painting instead of at least patching it up properly to some degree

[@Mario87456]

Unfortunately in the sequel King Candy/Turbo was RIGHT that she would cause the game to get unplugged as shown in that HORRENDOUS sequel though NOT for the reasons he claimed. Not to mention posthumously he got the last laugh.

[@bunnybutt5664]

​@@Mario87456 Exactly the other main reason I hate the sequel! You never want a movie that proves the Villain was right! It makes everything that happened in the first movie a pointless mistake! And, I'm sorry, you mean to tell me there still wouldn't be gamers that would continue to take full advantage of Vanellope's glitch ability? All because Turbo turns out to be right to make a sequel? Like, good God! What were they thinking?!

[@1fishmob]

Another cool hint at Turbo's true identity is his character design. Every racer in Sugar Rush is explicitly a chibi; short body, tiny limbs, big heads, no exception. They are reminiscent of the chibi cartoon characters you'd get from Japan during the 2000s. King Candy on the other hands, looks like he belongs in Looney Tunes or "Fix-It Felix Jr." more than he does Sugar Rush.

[@Butter3705]

Oooh, nice catch!

[@Internatube]

Like if Elmer Fudd and Mr Toad had a baby and it became royalty.

[@fizzy69o.0]

And other racers look very childlike while King Candy looks like an elderly man

[@Wojti2000Zapasowe]

And his name; every other Sugar Rush character has a punny long name, while he just has the simple uncreative name of "King Candy".

[@1fishmob]

@@Wojti2000Zapasowe Good catch.

[@ZelinkSupporter]

There are a couple more moments that hint at King Candy being Turbo. Or at the very least not being a part of Sugar Rush 1. King Candy is the only one to recognize Ralph right away. This is because Turbo’s game was right next to Ralph’s, making them neighbors in a technical sense 2. When Ralph makes a comment about how pink the throne room is, King Candy says “It’s salmon” and quickly changes the topic. According to the creators, this is supposed to be a hint that he’s not the true owner of the castle as pink is a color traditionally associated with little girls rather than fully grown men 3. When King Candy approaches Ralph with the intention to manipulate him, Ralph is (understandably) on the offensive. King Candy is actually terrified for his life. The reason for this is highlighted in the beginning of the movie. “If you die outside your game, you don’t respawn”. If King Candy was actually a part of Sugar Rush, he would have no reason to fear Ralph killing him because he would simply respawn

[@ellishughes3050]

I caught a lot of the hints in the throne room, but I never actually thought about the no-regeneration rule during their confrontation. Good catch.

[@ChocolateLoveKitten]

I believe another hint in the movie was the voice of the Announcer for the list of Racers participating at the start of the race. Compared to the other racers, the voice of the Announcer when it addresses “King Candy!” sounds a bit different if you listen to it closely.

[@artbytesia]

Take a lesson, Frozen! There's doing twist villains well, and then there's you!

[@peregry]

There's another big hint: character design. Look at the FACES of all the other racers, and Penolope. They have a certain anime asthetic to them (fitting, as Sugar Rush is supposed to be a Japanese mascot racer with a candy theme). Small noses, big eyes, mouth designed a certain way. King Candy on the other hand looks much more, well, like a WESTERN animated character from classic Disney animation and has a big nose, large eyes, etc. (more specifically, he looks a LOT like the Mad Hatter from Disney's Alice in Wonderland). Yes, there is similarities (anime aesthetic was directly inspired by classic Disney animation after all) but the difference, once you notice them, make King Candy seem VERY out of place when compared to the other racers.

[@artbytesia]

@@peregry Again, take note, Frozen!

[@Ultra04channel]

One interesting detail about Turbo's "final boss" or "Cy-bug" or "virus" design at the end of the movie, is the fact that the area of the exoskeleton that his head is coming out of, is actually broken. He didn't get Ship of Theseus'ed by the Cy-bug and have his code assimilated into *its* form and recreated, he *took over* the bug. He's even more of a parasite than before.

[@zirby5100]

Well because he isn't going to let a simple enemy character program to stop him from being the ruler of everything or any other game

[@aaronbarragan8904]

​@@zirby5100RULER OF EVERYTHING 😮

[@up-set1451]

@@aaronbarragan8904 YOU UNDERSTAND MECHANICAL HANDS YOURE THE RULER OF EVERYTHING

[@beastwarsFTW]

He looks like he's a tapeworm with his head.

[@C-Farsene_5]

Bro went Eren Yaeger

[@joshualowe959]

Wreck it Ralph was good not only because of the good twist villain but it had many other conflicts too: 1. Ralph wanting to win a medal but was told that bad guys don't win medals 2. Fix it Felix wanting to bring Ralph back to his game before it went out of order 3. Calhoun wanting to destroy all Cybugs before they take over every game in the arcade 4. Vanellope wanting to race but was told that glitches can't race & to prove to her rival bullies that she is not an accident waiting to happen.

[@evanrhildreth]

Exactly! I think Wreck It Ralph could have worked as a no-villain movie (better than Disney's recent no-villain movies) if (but only if) they wrote a worthy alternative explanation as to why Venellope was a glitch.

[@joshualowe959]

@@evanrhildreth true. Well of course the sequel Ralph Breaks the Internet was a no-villain sequel but it was fanservice with guest stars like Colleen/Miranda Sings & of course the iconic scenes of the Disney princesses & the Frozen sisters. Yes I said the Disney princesses AND the Frozen sisters because the Frozen sisters are queens.

[@RedDeadSpider343]

@@joshualowe959 Oh speaking of colleen, remember she played an ukulele in an apology video when there evidence of her grooming a minor and she denied it like any youtubers when accused of being predators, she called it a gossip train while singing in the apology video It makes you realise that Disney have a groomer in the sequel of wreck it ralph.

[@natecgames4612]

One of my favorite things about this movie is the scene where Ralph "wrecks" the anniversary party. Every character lists their motivations differently, and they all start with an incorrect perspective in what the other characters mean. Like how Ralph thinks that if he got a metal he'd gain respect because the citizens wouldn't think he could do it. I also love how the cake being smashed was ultimately caused by the belief that Ralph is just a bad guy who wrecks things and ends up strengthening that belief. It feels very natural that the situation would be taken to that extreme.

[@joshualowe959]

@@RedDeadSpider343 and Ralph Breaks the Internet happened way before Colleen got into the hot water she got in. I remember she did a show where she had a little boy eat cheese balls from her pants. DISGUSTING. Also, she did a pregnant skit with a little girl where she told the little girl "smelled fertil" & got in between the little girls legs. The Toxic Gossip Train song had gone viral & became a popular song when it was supposed to be a serious apology video.

[@youseineko]

The best part is in early production, King Candy and Turbo were NOT going to be the same person. Disney made the right call this time.

[@hunterolaughlin]

I’m not gonna lie, I’d love to see someone make a fanfic based on this scrapped idea of King Candy and Turbo being separate characters.

[@jinxedtodeath]

​@@hunterolaughlin you won't be disappointed, I remember at least one fanfic with that premise on AO3, although I don't think it was finished

[@BrigittePajares]

@@jinxedtodeath What’s the name of that fanfic if you can remember?

[@SonodaSymphony]

@@hunterolaughlinyou’re reminding me of the time people shipped King Candy and Turbo 😭

[@Perid0tStar]

So canonically they F'd themselves? xD @@SonodaSymphony

[@tytheaniman497]

King Candy/Turbo was a definitely a perfect twist Villain. He had the most mystery, personal reasoning, was revealed by sour ball to be a liar not too late in the movie when Ralph interrogated him, and there no way of knowing he’d actually be Turbo. Plus I also love his character was done. Perfect twist villain for sure.

[@Mailodi47]

also there was a great hint when ralph was in the cupcake and king candy already knew ralph's name

[@sonomni]

@@Mailodi47 King Candy also knew about the “Going Turbo” term despite that whole thing being 15 years prior and that Sugar Rush was a recent game.

[@wizardoferror9942]

Turbo was an awesome villain. It just goes to show how great Wreck-It Ralph is as a movie.

[@Unsweetened8618]

Love Wreck It Ralph.

[@AllenTheAnimator004]

Wreck-It-Ralph is a good movie But we don't talk about the sequel

[@wizardoferror9942]

@@AllenTheAnimator004 I cared less about the sequel when Mario was confirmed to not have a cameo.

[@fishdude2954]

@wizardoferror9942 Agreed that RBTI was bad yes (that's what happens when Disney steals a movie from it's actual crew and turns it into a commercial), but as a Mario fan myself I don't know why people focus on him so much with regards to this. Mario already regularly gets TONS of content, but Disney gives Wreck-It Ralph virtually nothing, and Felix and Calhoun especially got screwed for screentime in RBTI. Plus they couldn't have had a Mario cameo anyway, since by then Illumination owned his film rights (hence why Bowser didn't return either), whereas in the first movie Mario deliberately wasn't there because the director didn't want his presence to distract from the rest of the film (it wasn't because of cost, that was a joke one of the VAs made that got taken seriously). The only reason people thought he'd appear was because of a clickbait article misquoting the director Rich Moore. The cameos really aren't important and the movie isn't about them, I was more disappointed that RBTI was treated like a Disney Princess festival and caused Rich Moore to leave Disney.

[@monsoon861]

​@@AllenTheAnimator004the sequel was just product placement

[@RedDeadSpider343]

I really like this twisted villain because they actually show us some clues that Turbo aka King Candy isn't part of the game as he tried to get rid of the real main character. When I noticed the interior of castle, it was more like a princess castle rather than a King. The name of character has name King candy, a simple name but a bit lazy for a character until we get to the climax where Turbo was King candy which make alot of sense like the name seen less creative for a top game character.

[@DTux5249]

Fair, but "Von Schweetz" isn't a high-bar to clear admittedly lol

[@artbytesia]

Also he was the only one in Sugar Rush who knew Ralph's name upon first seeing him, and there are pics of Turbo in his code.

[@diabolusabinfernum3461]

Another clue is that "von" is used in names to indicate nobility, hinting at Vanellope's true identity.

[@deathpie24]

It's salmon

[@wyslanniknewworldorder9525]

In Polish dub, King Candy's name is "Krol Karmel".

[@alexrobi1176]

It works because the twist wasn't that King Candy was the villain, the twist is that he's actually Turbo.

[@leikosakuray]

He is a twist villain because we don’t know his true motives until the reveal. The classic Disney villains of the renaissance wear their motives on their selves, at least for the audience, you wouldn’t call Scar a twist villain because we the viewers always knew what his goal was even if the other characters didn’t. With King Candy even if someone picks up on the fact that he isn’t truthful, it would be hard to understand why or what exactly his reason for lying is, but the reveal as Turbo gives the audience and the characters in the movie an understanding of both his motives and true personality since he was explained earlier. So while he isn’t a twist villain because it wasn’t a secret that he was the villain, he was, however, a twist villain since he fooled both the audience and the characters and what makes him a good one is that he doesn’t act out of his established character.

[@DaZebraffe]

And...he actually talked about that right in the video?

[@MellowMochi0]

​@@DaZebraffewe know 🗿

[@lunanote-cassettemeower]

We could tell there was something sus about him from the beginning, maybe he was a minor antagonist, but we didn’t know that he was THE villain.

[@San-nj8fj]

I would argue that King Candy wasn’t presented a villain until the Turbo reveal tho. He’s an antagonist, but his actions are entirely justified (within the narrative he’s constructed), and could’ve easily gone the route of “character who doesn’t believe in the protagonist but ends up changing their mind”. All “KC” wanted was for both “his game” and Vanelope to be safe, which isn’t really a villainous motivation, and only when it’s revealed that that isn’t his intention at all for she become a bad guy. I think it’s also vital for a twist villain (or any twist) for them to actually be more interesting than what the story was leading up to otherwise. Like I said, the expected course of events would’ve been for KC to recognise Vanelope as worthy despite her flaws to mirror Ralf’s arc of becoming someone respected despite the cards he’d been dealt, but instead, the movie decided to do the twist that “omg, the guy is actually that other guy and everyone was tricked this whole time!” Which imo, ended up being a lot more interesting than having every character come to the same conclusion about their respective protagonists

[@70Lu07]

What i love the most about Turbo is how his twist isn't about his role in the story, it's about his intentions and identity, he's been the antagonist from the start considering he opposes the idea of vanelope racing, which is Ralph's goal in order to get his medal back, this puts him in a situation where King Candy and Ralph are in opposition in objective, but not morality, this until the big reveal happens, in which it is shown King Candy stole the title of main character for himself, until then we might just think he's a nobody who stumbled upon the game's code, but during the race we get the confirmation that he isn't a nobody, he's the guy everyone knows as being the selfish game destroying manchild, and there's a TRIPLE twist in which he becomes the big bad after being eaten by one of the insects, corrupting him even more and giving him more power, he goes from simple antagonist with opposing goals to morally bad antagonist to world ending threat within the SAME MOVIE

[@Quesoquantum]

I like the take here, something I especially love (that you have already stated) is how they changed his intentions. You already knew he was the antagonist, but you were lead to believe it was for the greater good of the game. Instead of it being that he was manipulated or forced into doing so, we see that he was completely in control of the situation, and wasn't in it as some sort of messiah- _he was the bad guy._ I also really loved how they tied this in with what seemed to be an innocent cautionary tale. (If you can call a cautionary tale innocent) It really makes you think. Sorry if I sound dumb, I was big into this movie when I was younger and I'm really into storytelling and creative writing. ❤❤❤

[@ReddwarfIV]

I think a lot of people misunderstand Bellweather. Zootopia is a buddy cop movie with animals, yeah, but its _plot_ is of a crime mystery. The villain shouldn't be immediately obvious, but they should have the means, motive and opportunity. Bellweather had control of the city CCTV system. Through this she is able to direct the criminal investigation towards her patsy: the mayor. She is also in the perfect position to become acting mayor once Lionheart is out of the way. This is the Means. Bellweather is consistently shown being pushed around by the mayor, and her "office" is the basement. She also does the lion's share of the actual administrative work while the mayor takes the credit. You would expect this to generate resentment. That's the Motive. The hardest one to prove is Opportunity, since Judy doesn't even figure out that Nighthowlers are being used until the final act. However, since Judy calls Nighthowlers a "class C botanical", they are presumably monitored by the city bureaucracy, which Bellweather is in charge of. She need only look up a database of plants and their effects to find one that would do the job. As for the argument that Bellweather is helpful to Judy earlier in the film, she explicitly does so for her own benefit. Her "small mammals need to stick together" line is her creating a network of contacts that trust her, which she can then use for her own goals. She uses the CCTV system to direct Judy toward the asylum because getting the mayor arrested means she gets the top job, while at the same time distracting Judy from the origin of the problem. She tries to retain Judy as a police officer because of how useful she is as a symbol, not how good she is as a police officer. At no point in the movie does Bellweather act counter to her own interests. She's not the same as Hans at all.

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

Exactly!

[@ReddwarfIV]

@Tacorikit Have you ever seen the _Criminal Minds_ episode _The Popular Kids_ ? It's the one where the sheriff's son involves himself in the investigation so he can blame his murders on a group of harmless satanists. Bellweather is the exact same thing, but I never hear people accusing _Criminal Minds_ of having "bad twist villains"

[@chicapizza29]

you...I like you.

[@ReddwarfIV]

@@chicapizza29 Cheers!

[@the_expidition427]

Saving this many parallels to real life politics

[@aspendespain4606]

Part of the reason why I think the reveal of King Candy being Turbo is so great is because the story of Turbo just feels like a legend, a cautionary tale, a fable, one that just teaches us why they use that term and are so distraught by what Ralph is doing. Having him being Turbo as the twist not only makes his actions make more sense but it also brings things full circle in a satisfying way. They did a fantastic job with this movie.

[@jstar3382]

funny how they tried that with Brave, and it just didn't work

[@nugget3687]

I love surprise foreshadowing, it's so fun when done right

[@goreangel1258]

One of my favorite little details too is that Wreck It Ralph didn’t even hate Fix It Felix for the medals and all. I feel that culminates in a minor detail that I rarelt see get talked about, which is his envisioning section where he comes back with the medal. Specifically, an earlier scene details how Fix it Felix is at the top, while Ralph is in the literal mud. But in his dream where he’s on the top of the building, we don’t see Felix in the mud. I didn’t see him at all but it’s really just more like “I want to be the one that’s celebrated” in a heartfelt way from Ralph, idk maybe I’m crazy but it’s a note I like

[@Quesoquantum]

I think it's because he knows it's just how the game goes, sure the townspeople are mean but Felix seemed to care about him. Felix just wanted to ensure the safety of everyone in his game, and Ralph understood that, but he was tired of the townspeople not understanding that.

[@titusfortunus2916]

What quesoquantum said actually. Felix was always very appreciative and understanding of Ralph. If Ralph wanted Felix in the mud, he'd just objectively be a bad, selfish person, and wouldn't be the hero of the story like he wants to be. Ralph just got tired because all of the townsfolk like Gene and all the other Nicelanders were absolute jerks to him. They didn't respect him, they didn't want him around, and they celebrated his defeat. (Probably because he is famous for destroying their houses, but they have to understand he's the reason they're alive just as much as Felix is)

[@GooglyMoogly68]

Ralph and Felix never had any problems, despite them having awkward encounters outside of work, that’s as far as it’d go, Felix never disrespected Ralph. Gene and the other “Nice”landers however..it goes without saying, one must see the exact contradiction of the movie’s biggest villains besides Turbo, being named the Nicelanders.

[@wakkaseta8351]

Bellwether does have a decent amount of foreshadowing for her twist, it's just done too subtly for a first time viewing. Aside from the whole having Doug's contact info on a sticky note on her desk, she spends most of the movie trying to be buddy-buddy with small prey animals at the expense of aggravating larger ones and predators, indirectly inserts herself into the missing mammals case several times under the guise of helping despite Bogo's protests, and barely acknowledges Nick's existence even when he's in the same room as her.

[@tristarnova3454]

But yet, that leads her to being too obvious…

[@lProN00bl]

Also she is given motive by how she is mistreated by her boss.

[@Icalasari]

Yeah, she may not be the greatest or most well done, but she's not a bad twist villain either. She's done well enough

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

@@tristarnova3454 Well if obvious is a flaw then wouldn't this make Turbo bad instantly? Given he is the only guy, in an anime girl like game, and stands out for having an distinct style to him? It is immediately obvious on SEEING him.

[@peytonreed937]

Like have her snap ad nick in that scene in her office and maybe have her go on a mini rant or some shit.

[@joshualowe959]

Turbo was foreshadowed from the beginning of Wreck it Ralph. "Going Turbo" was first brought up the the video game villain M. Bison from Street Fighter. People who were fans of Street Fighter thought that M. Bison was making a reference to the game Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo, but the phrase "Going Turbo" was also brought up by Fix it Felix & even King Candy himself. Fix it Felix explained to Calhoun about the game Turbo Time & about Turbo himself. When Turbo was revealed to be the disguise of King Candy both Street Fighter fans & the rest of the audience was shocked.

[@MASTEROFEVIL]

When Rad Racers was the new it game Turbo couldn't help the spotlight being taken away so he went crazy

[@joshualowe959]

@@MASTEROFEVIL and he put both games & himself out of order

[@austinreed7343]

Super Turbo was where Bison was upstaged by Akuma for the first time.

[@joshualowe959]

@@austinreed7343 correct. If certain conditions were met in the game, when the player reaches Bison, Akuma will do a Raging Demon on Bison & kill him.

[@TheREALMaxDanger]

​@@MASTEROFEVIL You mean Road Blasters?

[@holdenchambers3986]

Hot Take: Yokai could have worked really well as a villian. My understanding was always he did not start the fire, but saw it as an opportunity to get his revenge. Make it so that is shown clearly and give him show some remorse for Tadashi dying, one of his star students lost pushing him over the edge as he relives the grief from him daughter dying and his legacy going up on flames. Change his reveal scene to show he has went insane and thought of the perfect tool for revenge. You would still have to change the aspects with Alistar to make him not scream villian, but even those simple changes would make yokai a more realistic and believable villain.

[@karlcole5617]

we all know he could have been better.

[@inacatt]

I don't think "going insane" is the right move, since it implies people who expierence mental health crisises are inherently violent. I think more of a "crime of passion" route would be better, where he didn't plan on taking his revenge, and did it impulsively. Even showing how taking your pain out on others does nothing but hurt more people. Taking another person's life can be extremely traumatizing (as long as someone has a sense of empathy and/or the death was accidental). I'd love to see this movie with a different take on the character.

[@thekaiser3815]

​@@inacattbut don't a lot of people suffering froms mental health have an increased chance of being violent, we just can pretend they don't. The issue of insanity is it let people off the hook. Yes a person with Servier schizophrenia should have the illness taken into account and treatment can help. But if we say your illness was not the cause or at least a contributing factor of your violet actions or in some movies used as an excuse I think that is wrong.

[@rookies1112]

If anything I think that make him say something along the line of "Tadashi death is very regreattable and I understand your feeling for the lost of him but it is necessary for me to revenge my daugther death"

[@tristarnova3454]

Yeah yokai aka the professor could work, but they missed the mark on making him sympathetic, and actually having a good heart underneath that exterior, but Hans and belweather on the other hand are truely bad, Hans was definitely not obvious at all, and belweather was way too obvious as the villain, and plus, both became villians very late into the movie, king candy/turbo and yokai were introduced as villains early on in the story, allowing for tension as you know they are the villain, the real twist is how they really are, which is why they work much better.

[@petfriendamy]

My favorite thing about Turbo, and why I think no twist will ever compare, is that all the context clues about his true identity are there throughout the movie, but we don't realize what it all means until the final reveal. The majority of people I have talked to about the movie had the same experience where they simultaneously didn't see the twist coming, but it was GLARINGLY obvious in hindsight. 1) When we first hear the words "go Turbo," we as the audience have no idea what that means. We assume that it's just some game lingo that we're not familiar with, but don't think to question it until Calhoun asks about it later on in the film. 2) Speaking of which, when Felix tells her Turbo's backstory, our understanding of the world's rules (as told to us by the movie up to this point) tells us that there's no way that Turbo could have survived his game being decommissioned. No one considers the possibility that he escaped, because I mean, it's not like anyone's seen him since then, right? 3) Speaking of our understanding of the world's rules, when King Candy tells Ralph his "reasons" for not wanting Vanellope to race, it makes actual sense. Yeah, if Vanellope was trapped in her game while it was being decommissioned, she probably wouldn't survive that. It casts doubt on King Candy's true intentions, letting us believe for a moment that maybe he isn't really a bad guy after all. 4) On the other hand, there's the scene where King Candy goes into the code of the game. At the time we're like, oh dang this guy is desperate, literally going into the code of his own game. Then later on we realize, when Ralph questions Sour Bill, wait yeah, it's a little weird that he knows how to reprogram his own game. It's a *little* weird that there was a code block for Vanellope just floating off to the side. It's a LITTLE weird that King Candy's code block was so much bigger + a different color than all the other code blocks. 5) Then finally the reveal drops, and suddenly it all clicks. No wonder he reprogrammed the game, no wonder he didn't want Vanellope to race, no wonder he doesn't quite fit in with the aesthetic of the game, no wonder he made himself the literal king. IT ALL MAKES SENSE. That masterfully done plot twist is why Wreck-It Ralph is my favorite movie of all time, and probably will remain as such for a very long time.

[@AnimationsStudioza]

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[@bencroyle3962]

So let me get this straight...Disney started with having traditional villains in their classic animated films, then transitioned to twist villains in films like Wreck-it Ralph, Frozen, Big Hero 6, and Zootopia (and to an extent, Coco and Incredibles 2), to no villains in films like Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen II, to having sympathetic villains, particularly in their recent live-action remakes like Peter Pan and Wendy and The Little Mermaid. What's next? Misunderstood villains? Villains who become heroes by the end despite not receiving said development to be a hero? Is Disney just never going to have a traditional villain again? Not that a story doesn't work without one, and once again, King Candy is a fantastic twist villain and Encanto is a great film despite not having a real villain, but I miss Disney villains who are evil just for the sake of being evil.

[@aidanhever3369]

Yeah, like Sasha and Marcy from Amphibia.

[@Alucard2091]

Wish seems returning to traditional route.

[@bencroyle3962]

@@Alucard2091 Let's hope so. After all, there's a chance the villain in that film will either turn good by the end or will be revealed to not be the villain at all.

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

I hate when they make those remakes where the villains have a backstory each..

[@poweroffriendship2.0]

I hope that that Disney went back to the traditional classic villain in the upcoming _Wish._

[@ivanbluecool]

Mention him enough to remember his name. The small quirks we hear from the game. Them calling out king candy for his "girly" room aka it was a girl's castle. Twists that are hitting you over and over again are the best. Too bad 2 threw away the lesson they learned

[@averyspecificdragon8780]

wydm there is no wreck it ralph 2 in ba sing se

[@WhatABinglylittlescronklylil-]

@@averyspecificdragon8780 When did Ivan mention avatar in this

[@slimetank394]

​@@WhatABinglylittlescronklylil- it's a meme, lol. It's used to sort of like rejecting the existence of something, like how people of Ba Sing Se rejecting the existence of the war in Avatar

[@aratherlargerodent]

What second movie there was none 🥲

[@featdirty1127]

I still think that one of the most clever hints that KK isn’t who he seems is the fact that he’s the first person (who isn’t a known “Bad Guy” or from Ralph’s game) to actually recognise who Ralph is. Which I found odd when I first saw the movie because Sugar Rush is clearly a much newer game compared to Fix it Felix Jr and we have seen other characters acknowledge Ralph’s existence, but no further outside of ‘uh oh, it’s a Bad Guy’. So why would King Candy randomly know who this supposed swamp monster is after barely a few seconds of seeing his face properly? It is probably one of the most clever and subtle foreshadowing techniques I’ve seen, to me anyway

[@rylee0417]

I agree, that’s a great foreshadowing technique! Their games (fix it Felix and turbo’s game) were actually right next to each other as well. You can see it when Ralph talks in the beginning about how he’s been “doing this for 30 years.” Their games are right next to each other!!

[@iUsedToBeAMusician]

It actually creeped me the hell out when he started tuening into turbo.

[@taureandolll]

yeah it was so scary

[@olleselin]

Oh, so glad you brought this up! "Wreck-It Ralph" is my favourite modern Disney film. And King Candy is one of my favourite modern Disney villains! Thanks to how executed he is as an overall character, thus having the twist well earned.... Not to mention his Cy-Bug hybrid form is so freakin cool and badass looking!

[@ButterFlyGardenBlossom]

Yessss!! In my opinion, Wreck it Ralph is a little underrated these days. In my opinion, it is one of Disney (pure Disney, not Pixar)’s best non-musicals, and one of their top three best modern movies. :) It’s such a shame they had to ruin it with a horrible excuse for a sequel, that luckily we can all pretend didn’t exist.

[@fishdude2954]

Yeah I wish the crew had gotten to make the sequel the way they wanted, since they had some good ideas and Wreck-It Ralph has so much potential to be expanded like the first 3 Toy Story movies were. We could've seen all four of the main characters (including Felix and Calhoun, who constantly get ignored by Disney) going on adventures to other arcades through the internet, maybe fighting viruses together, maybe facing new challenges at Litwak's, hell even getting a slice-of-life show where we just see them interact more as a group. Disney really screwed up by commandeering the movie into a princess commercial and scaring away Rich Moore

[@Quesoquantum]

I was obsessed with this movie as a kid (I was like 4 when it first came out but it was on DVR at my house) and it sparked my love for art. Glad to see another enthusiast

[@sandstorm7790]

@@fishdude2954they did my boy Ralph so dirty in the sequel 😭😭😭😭 In the original he was almost content in a way with his loneliness, as if he was comfortable only being himself. Ralph wanted to fight for other people to recognize who he was as a person because he was tired of being arbitrarily labeled as a villain. Ralph was always heroic and righteous and only fought to obtain a medal in the first place so people would be forced to accept that. The medal wasn't going to change who he was, it was only meant to force people to accept who he had been the entire time, and it was that heroic nature that compelled him to risk it all for venelope and sugar rush. He was also very witty and smart throughout the entire movie and wasn't insecure in the slightest about his own shortcomings. Everything about the way he acts is mature. His relationship with venelope is like that of an adult/father and a child that he needs to protect and nurture. Ralph in the sequel is like a complete child and instead of venelope learning from him because he's experienced everything she's going through with the prejudice and whatnot, he's learning from venelope because his mental age and maturity has somehow grown backwards into that of a kid. In the sequel, all of this is thrown out the window. He is NOT a self righteous/heroic and content with his own nature, and he is NOT smart or witty. He's a clingy, insecure, and dumb meat head that falls into the trope of being an annoying comic relief character and he follows a very stereotypical character progression of learning not to hold back his friend or whatever. The original Ralph ALREADY KNEW THAT. He already knew that friends have to sacrifice for each other, and he knew he would have to make hard decisions for venelope's sake. That's why he destroyed venelope's cart in the first place. He believed it was the best way to save her and protect her and that's why he got Felix to fix it and admit he was wrong. Ralph's motive did not change between the time he destroyed her cart and the time he fixed it, he simple gained new knowledge that now changed what was necessary to protect her. Ralph in the original didn't care if venelope hated him or if he had to sacrifice himself for venelope because it was all for her sake. Ralph in the sequel actively and knowingly put her in danger because he couldn't set his own jealousy aside...

[@CrystalLovesChrist]

I was a little kid when the movie first came out and I remember 1) being so shocked when he turned out to be Turbo and 2) being scared pissless at his Turbo-Cybug form. Ngl I still get a little rattled by the Cybug invasion scene towards the end of the movie😂

[@hunterolaughlin]

For those who think Turbo coming back in Ralph Breaks the Internet would solve the film’s problems, it’d unfortunately wouldn’t. I honestly think it would make things worse. Plus, it wouldn’t make sense with the criticisms of Vanellope leaving her game to live in another as an example of breaking the rules of “Never leaving your game” or “Going Turbo”. It’d just be breaking 2 rules then, which the other is “Video game characters never regenerate outside their own game”. So if Vanellope’s decision makes the first film’s conflict and main rule totally moot as the criticisms say, then Turbo inexplicably coming back makes that other rule and death scene moot as well. And also, it is HYPOCRITICAL. You can’t critique something the film does is breaking one rule and support something that also breaks another rule from the previous film at the same time. It doesn’t work like that. You can either be part of the argument that the film breaks the established rules in the previous film or part of the other argument that it doesn’t. You can’t do BOTH.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

Yeah it was a nad story. Heck i was hoping we would see a good turbo from another version of his game

[@hunterolaughlin]

@@paulrasmussen8953 I personally don’t hate Ralph Breaks the Internet myself like many others, but I can understand the criticisms of Vanellope leaving even if I don’t share the same criticism.

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@hunterolaughlin ot wasn't a terrible film but didn't go the right direction. Hell i read a my little pony fan fiction story that did this concept better just adding a pony into the story

[@Alucard2091]

Im never fan of returning villains unless they play huge problem to the main characters

[@paulrasmussen8953]

@@Alucard2091 but woth the nature of games seeing a good turbo would be a great contrast the what if

[@thelevel5goblin971]

I disagree with you on Bellwether. they foreshadow her a little (very little) with the way she is mistreated by the mayor. it also makes sense that she misled Judy by leading her to were the mayor was hiding the predators. However I agree they fumbled big time in the end with her showing up in the museum. that was kinda dumb and underwhelming. they should have led judy find it out rather than just showing up and having her monologue.

[@tristarnova3454]

And plus rewatching it makes you realize it was way too obvious unlike Hans, how wasn’t hinted at at all.

[@anb1419]

Don't forget she also had Doug's number on her office phone when Judy and Nick was going through the camera's

[@Icalasari]

@@tristarnova3454 Having already experienced the foreshadowing does tend to make it very obvious, yes

[@Mycorrhiza]

​@@tristarnova3454foreshadowing is meant to obvious on second watch, that means it's good

[@tristarnova3454]

@@Mycorrhiza true

[@rocksolid369]

I think they did a decent job of hinting that Bellwether was the villain. She kept saying "Us little guys need to stick together" and was treated like crap by the mayor that around Judy's second or third interaction with her I yelled out "She's behind it!"

[@freezeH2O]

I agree. Bellwether's character couldn't be hinted at too much. If so, she would have been sniffed out by Judy and Nick. Instead, you get to realize what each of her interactions lead to. She's very helpful, and in several degrees almost too helpful. She uses the fact that Judy trusts her to her full advantage. She helped Judy discover the Mayor's own scheme. Handed it to them on a silver platter. She also gave Judy terrible advice for her interview with reporters. She purposely made a prey/predator class divide become larger until the entire city fell into chaos. Bellwether had half the police force on her case. Her entire operation had to be kept secret. Cracks only began to show once her plan put her in power. She got a little more lenient. Her stooges messed up. In the end, she really was a good villain for a detective like movie. Once put in perspective, all of her actions, and all of the crimes make sense. Only after the truth that the wild animals were a result of someone else do all the loose ends come together and really show just how careful and intricate the plot was. If it were revealed sooner, the movie wouldn't have been the same. And I don't think she's that forgettable. When she is on screen she is either doing way too much paperwork, or she's actively helping Judy.

[@DIAC1987]

I actually disagree with the whole "Bellwether is a twist villain" because the film is at its core a mystery being investigated, and Judy went back to Zootopia when she realized that the mystery had not really been fully solved.

[@CatastrophicConundrum]

I get that but the jump from “I’m not being treated right by the mayor” to “I’m gonna make all predators look bad because of it” is a huge jump to me. I feel her being a twist villain was unnecessary, we should’ve seen more of her life.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I think that there is enough clues and that she is also obvious enough as the villain as well. She is a person in control, and she clearly operates by politics of resentment. If she was not the villain, she would at least be part of the operation of the Nightshade as an owner or a very important helper of the villain. If nothing else, she would be, in hindsight, insight as to why somebody is instigating the Nightshade incidents indirectly.

[@zardthedragon1896]

It's kind of poetic how Turbo used glitches and code manipulation to get where he was but in the end it was a piece of unbreakable coding that caused his demise.

[@JJM8043]

What was that?

[@PhatBoyFresh]

​@@JJM8043 var gameLoop = function () { if (beacon) { sendToDeath(); } else { reset(); } renderPlayfield();

[@jaco8822]

​@@JJM8043 the fact that if you get killed outside of your game, you're gone for good.

[@JJM8043]

@@jaco8822 That's not really "code".

[@loganbarker9840]

I think he’s referring to the cy-bugs being programmed to go into the sky beam.

[@faithlucas7701]

I remember watching this in cinemas as a child and having my jaw dropped at the turbo reveal, I still think that it's a really good twist now years later

[@Mario87456]

Same with me though sadly I cannot enjoy the original movie anymore due to it’s horrid sequel known as Ralph Breaks The Internet.

[@elliottpak]

@@Mario87456there is no wreck it Ralph sequel in ba sing se

[@SonicChannelGaming]

@@Mario87456its not even a bad movie why the hate its not that deep bro

[@Mario87456]

@@SonicChannelGaming You are saying the sequel is actually GOOD!? ARE. YOU. FUCKING. HIGH!?

[@SonicChannelGaming]

@@Mario87456 you probably dont like it because mario is not in it hey atleast bowser was in the first one

[@terrytaylor7036]

Before I even watch the video, I’m just gonna say he works so well because he’s not a twist villain, he’s a villain with a twist. He’s already an antagonistic force before the reveal. Him being turbo adds to and enhances his character instead of being the one thing that matters to his character.

[@ventusxzephyr13]

Turbo awakened my latent childhood fear of villains in computer games. As a kid i was terrified that the villains i defeated in video games remembered me defeating them and would seek vengeance. So seeing Turbo actually doing that in a sense by “following” players into another game genuinely scared me while watching in the theatre 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@Roadent1241]

That sounds like a worthy creepypasta waiting to be written if it hasn't already.

[@Tusamiii]

​@Roadent1241 go ahead and write it before anyone else does

[@Roadent1241]

@@Tusamiii Probably do you one better, make a Gameboy game out of it XD

[@SpareShadez]

remember bro, the villains can be good people too like ralph himself and his friends at the villain meeting 👍

[@Regigigas_YT]

Bro imagine you defeat Kaneshiro in Persona 5 and he starts stealing your COD points in Modern Warfare

[@Phobiaph0bic]

A great hint that King Candy is actually Turbo, comes in the scene where he gives Ralph his medal back. When Ralph gets aggressive with him, King Candy frantically tries to get away, and is clearly scared. If he was from Sugar Rush, he would have no reason to be scared, because if you die in your game, you respawn endlessly. But he’s *not* in his game. If Ralph killed him, even by accident (we’ve seen how good he is at accidentally breaking things), he would never respawn, and he knew that.

[@MoanKnight]

I mean they can still feel pain or be frightened of dying in game or no in game like how Felix screamed before dying to a falling brick but great insight.

[@SupremeLeaderKimJong-un]

Honestly, I liked Bellwether cause her reason for helping the heroes was all about getting HER crises that Lionheart was covering up out and in the open. Judy was initially looking into the missing predators, and it wasn't until the reason WHY they were going missing that Bellwether's plot would get any attention to further her plans. In the case of Turbo, the thing that worked best is that they never pushed to imply that Turbo was going to appear in the movie at all. We get the term "going Turbo" thrown around, which implies it's something really bad. And after we learn about it from Fix it Felix, how Turbo was a great racer with a popular game, until something opposed his game, so he desperately tried to usurp it...it all makes sense why "going Turbo" became a bad thing. Infiltrating another game for selfish desire is dangerous and has risks in this world. What makes Turbo effective is there was 0 implication that King Candy and Turbo were the same person, aside from their voices. King Candy acts shady and suspicious, so you have reason to distrust him. But a lot of his actions could be written off based on the impression that he's just trying to run the game as he thinks it must work. Part of why the Turbo reveal is so effective, is because it comes at the tail end of the journey, LONG after the description of it was given...so by the time you reach that, you likely aren't even thinking about Turbo anymore.

[@g3n3r1c6]

Spectacular analysis from the Supreme Leader himself.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I mean I can’t even call him a twist villain. It’s very clear that that guy is evil from the moment he overreacts to Venelope trying to get into the race. Definitely the bigger surprise was the reveal that he was Turbo. I remember my jaw dropping to the floor when he turned into him. But that’s what makes him so great. He’s such a manipulative and dangerous piece of shit before we ever find out that he’s Turbo. He keeps the stakes high for his entire run time and he nails that scene where he so convincingly lies to Ralph by twisting the truth. King Kandy is unfortunately the last great Disney villain.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

He is a twist villain in a sense because there is a twist in his character that fully completes his villainy

[@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868]

He's still a twist villain, it's just that the twist isn't THAT he's a villain. The twist is his identity, but it furthers his villainy when it shows that even his seemingly good intentions were always ultimately a cover up

[@hunterolaughlin]

As Schaffrillas would joke: Tamatoa: Hold my Heart of Tafiti.

[@AllyGatorAnimator]

The thing I like about the confrontation with Ralph is that, while I figured he was lying, it's delivered in such a way that I wouldn't have been shocked if it went down the route of him genuinely being terrified of the game being unplugged and reacting in the worst way possible (it wouldn't be the first time terrible things have happened in a movie because characters lack basic communication skills or common sense lol) Really highlighted how manipulative he was.

[@jaco8822]

he's a villian with a twist.

[@novicecreed]

God I remember my friend and I practically screaming in the theater when it was revealed that King Candy was Turbo all this time. Like yeah it was obvious the dude was the antagonist the whole time, but never had we experience such a crazy plot twist! I really wish I could re-experience it, but alas I have no real hope for any future villains in modern movies.

[@DrAwe-fi6we]

King Candy getting revealed to be Turbo might be one of the coolest reveals in animation -We see Vanellope's glitch effect jump over to him when she grabs the hood ornament he was using to attack her, showing he was a "glitch" in their world too -The fast flickering of his appearance slowly revealing his original form makes it so the viewer realizes he's Turbo right before it's fully revealed -Turbo briefly stopping his assault on Vanellope in a panic when he realizes he's no longer in disguise -Vanellope being confused as she's never even heard of Turbo before, just a nice attention to detail -Turbo becoming genuinely more threatening visually as he talks to Vanellope, with his skull-like face and glowing yellow eyes as Turbo and him glitching out distorting his voice as he loses his temper -Turbo then immediately jumping right back into action without missing a beat, preparing to ram Vanellope's car into a wall while saying his iconic catchphrase

[@michaelmarto69]

I think frozen would've been better if Hans was Anna lover and Kristoff just as someone who tagged along and became like a brother figure for the sisters

[@cybertramon0012]

I think Frozen could’ve been improved if Hans didn’t just suddenly become evil. They could’ve had it that his kiss didn’t cure Anna because they’re not truly in love despite thinking they were. And since she couldn’t stop Elsa he’s left wondering how to stop the endless winter and comes to the only option of killing Elsa to save everyone. He doesn’t like it; he acknowledges that Anna will hate him for it. But he feels that it’s the only option left.

[@BruhMeme85]

Yeah this is what I've been saying for a long time Hans didn't need to be a twist villain I fully believe that they just made him one for the sake of having a twist villain in the story Or if he did it would be because when ana and him was about to kiss to cure her it didn't work Making him believe that she fell for christoff If he became the villain after that maybe i could have accepted it

[@cybertramon0012]

@@BruhMeme85 Yep. A lot of the complaints about his characterization is how sudden the switch is. I know people say there are folks just like that in the world, but we don't always need realism in our fantasy stories.

[@paradoxzee6834]

@@BruhMeme85 Well originally it was planned Elsa to be the villain in the story, the voice actress even recorded lines as evil Elsa, but after they made "Let it go" the people at Disney did not wanted it to be a villain song. So pretty much they rewriten half of the story and needed to have a new villian

[@ktownshutdown21]

​@@cybertramon0012 I've been pitching this idea for YEARS, so amen to you, brother 🫡 Hans suddenly growing a twirly mustache not only didn't anything, it arguably TOOK AWAY tension from the end, because we know the villain isn't going to win. But if he was still a good guy reluctantly doing something dark, then just for a *moment* you could convince the audience of the unexpected. And then when Anna comes in for the save, it would be a good lesson for him to learn about true love too and they could start over. Because lowkey he and Anna had the most chemistry out of anyone in the movie, LOL. Even Anna and Elsa barely talk to each other and they're related.

[@fishdude2954]

I think when people say "Disney Twist Villain", they're specifically using that phrase in reference to the trope of "movie has no villain for most of its runtime and then suddenly a normal character is a villain with no foreshadowing out of nowhere", since that's the type people are tired of/see as lazily-done. They're usually not talking about characters like Turbo who are foreshadowed correctly, and where the twist is about their identity/intentions rather than the fact that they're an antagonist at all (which we learn early on with King Candy and it isn't presented as a surprise). You can also tell it's done well here because the first time you watch it's a genuine shock, but there's a lot of re-watch value where you notice clues that you didn't on your first viewing when you weren't as familiar with how the arcade world works. King Candy getting nervous when Ralph is outside his game during arcade hours, his general paranoid personality, the fact that he even knows who Ralph is without having "met" him before (since TurboTime is from the same era as Fix-It Felix Jr.), etc.

[@joshualowe959]

The formula for Wreck it Ralph was similar to the classic masterpiece Hunchback of Notre Dame. WRECK IT RALPH: Ralph was labeled as the bad guy of his game but was the good guy of the movie while Turbo was labeled as the good guy of his game but was the bad guy of the movie HUNCHBACK OF NOTRE DAME: Quasimodo was labeled as a monster on the outside but was a true man on the inside while Frollo looked like a man on the outside but was the true monster of the movie.

[@kingandrewcecil348]

Same thing with Beauty and the Beast (1991), which basically started this subversive hero/villain formula: The Beast is labeled as a monster based on his appearance but was the good guy of the movie (thanks to Belle, who was able to recognize what he really is on the inside), while Gaston was labeled as the good guy in his village due to his dashing good looks but was the true monster of the movie which Belle rightfully calls him out for by the film's ending when Gaston calls the Beast one himself ignoring to recognize the type of nice guy the Beast really is on the inside.

[@joshualowe959]

@@kingandrewcecil348 that's right. And there's Lion King & even Frozen. LION KING: Simba & Scar both wanted to be King. Simba was the rightful hair to the king which left Scar bitter. Simba acted like a kid when he first wanted to be king because he was a kid, but when Scar, a grown male lion killed Mufasa & exiled young Simba, he acted like a baby when he was king. Simba was the true King while Scar was the false king. If Scar were to be called a monster, the kind of monster he would be would be the classic jealous GREEN EYED monster. FROZEN: what makes someone truly Frozen hearted. At first it was Elsa who accidentally physically froze Anna's hair then her heart with her ice powers, but the truly frozen hearted one was Hans who emotionally froze Anna by betraying her to attempt to kill her & Elsa & take over Arendelle.

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

I hope Disney will NEVER make a remake of the Hunchback of Notre-Dame, that would be terrible.. Quasimodo is different from the classic Disney movies, he's perceived as a monster (at least, to Frollo), and should stay inside.. In truth, he is very kind and courageous and showed compassion to others, something that he learned by himself, also something that Frollo is lacking. This movie hold a place in my heart, Quasimodo surpassed even the princes from the other movies.

[@joshualowe959]

@@QueSeraSeraaaa if a live action Hunchback of Notre Dame does happen, it would be Rated R.

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

@@joshualowe959 they would probably gives a backstory, why he is evil, the useless way..

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Otro twist villain seria el de meet the Robinsons una película demasiado infravalorada realmente El hecho de que el villano resulta ser el antiguo amigo del protagonista y luego su ayudante se convierte en el villano final es genial

[@carlosmattessich3883]

Si, y luego resulta que lo controlaba el sombrero así que eso hace que el giro sea más caótico

[@Quesoquantum]

This movie never gets enough attention, I loved it as a kid. Definitely a modern classic

[@ajstudios9210]

Coco is one of the movies with a good twist villain, too. They had good build-up.

[@tristarnova3454]

Yeah, coco did a good job with it, and big hero 6 would have done a good job, if they made the villain more sympathetic.

[@Crow_Rising]

I feel like the key for this kind of twist villain working is for the shift in alignment to be in the protagonist rather than in the antagonist. Introduce the antagonist as a supporting protagonist, but later have the protagonist change their goals in such a way that puts them at odds with them, causing the supporting protagonist to become an antagonist as a result. This is why Hans for example does not work. Instead of him remaining consistent, he changes suddenly with no prior warning and it comes off as jarring. It feels like he's suddenly just acting completely out of character because the story needed someone to fill the villain role. If his actions and ambitions had remained consistent through the entire film and it was actually the protagonists who changed alignment against him due to no longer agreeing with his actions, it probably would have come off as a more natural feeling and graceful transition.

[@TDArulesclub4]

I’m so glad this movie and the first and BEST Disney twist villain is being talked about more still even 11 years later after it’s release. King Candy/Turbo was such a good villain twist that he set a high standard for any other villain who tried to do the same. Not only was his reveal as Turbo a twist that shocked everyone, but his final (boss) comeback as CyBug Turbo is an absolutely MONSTER of a design! The jagged designs, claws that look like hard candy, the unhinged movement and yes, how Turbo seemingly does not care anymore and just had the intention to kill everyone. He lost his mind as he toys with Ralph, swinging him in the air as he taunts him and Vanollepe. He FULLY EMBRACED his new form and did it perfectly. Big kudos and praise to Alan Tudyk and his voice work for King Candy. I can’t think of anyone better who could of done him.

[@justarandomnerd3240]

I see you haven't watched Atlantis the Lost Empire

[@UrdnotRed]

King Candy outted himself fairly early, if you pay attention while watching the second time. King Candy knew what "going Turbo" was despite never being shown outside of Sugar Rush or anyone else even mentioning Turbo. He brought it up first. Even Calhoun had to have it explained to her by an outside source.

[@jaredrodriguez9784]

I literally just realized that Turbo is dressed like Kick Buttowski

[@Misterbebecito]

Dawg

[@JackofAllGenius]

8:46 “…and how we can connect the dots…” right as Ralph picks up the Dot and throws it. Well played.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

In defense of Yokai, I can *kinda* see what they were doing with him. 1. We know early on about his vendetta against Krey (or is it Krei? Idk) 2. There's a subtle sign that he's trying to manipulate Hiro into giving him the microbots for his revenge. 3. They flesh him out more in the show, giving him a more valid reason to be the villain.

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

Zootopia is a parody of a buddy cop movie. Buddy cop movies usually try to take themselves semi-seriously while juggling something stupid that makes no sense. Bellwether's twist is stupid, I think anyone would've been a better twist, but it is so on brand for the twist to be terrible in a buddy cop movie. Things like the main characters doing something illegal despite being cops are stables of that trope. For Hans, you can see him giving hints to his villainous twist in Love is an Open Door. Because when I first watched Frozen, when he said how he has older brothers my immediate thought was "oh he’s getting cozy with royalty because he would never get power otherwise". And then his line where he said, "I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place" as he does a swooping motion over the kingdom solidified my thought that he was absolutely just using Anna to get to her kingdom. That said, I personally say Turbo's number 2 after Rourke from Atlantis the Lost Empire, mainly because the latter was, in my mind, a definitive case of the twist villain done right. Even on rewatching, it feels like the reveal makes sense, and it also feels similar if you're paying very close attention on the first viewing. In other words, it feels like the twist is actually foreshadowed, and definitely foreshadowed well compared to cases like Hans and similar characters. In other words, Rourke's betrayal was a betrayal done right. You can actually tell Rourke is just acting and using the cast, and rather than it being diminished by his nicer moments, it actually casts those nice moments in a far darker light.

[@redmii69]

I think what really helped the Turbo twist was that it was introduced by M. Bison from Street Fighter. Since you don't know anything about the world, you could just assume that it's a reference to the Turbo mode in Street Fighter 2, but as the movie progresses and more people bring it up, the picture starts to become clearer.

[@Linkaro2]

This is a double twist for us fans of Street Fighter... At least to me. See, when Bison said "You arent going Turbo," i took it as an inside joke on how Capcom kept re-releasing Street Fighter 2 before they cement Turbo as an acutual character

[@AverytheCubanAmerican]

I think with the "good" twist villains that you mentioned, they didn't wildly change their personality. They just went from being aligned with the protagonist's aims to having those aims clash. The twist with Rourke in particular was that everybody on the team except Milo was prepared to steal from Atlantis, but while the others changed their minds once they learned there was an actual living society still down there, Rourke didn't care, and that was still in character. With King Candy, we see him early on being a dismissive jerk to Vanellope in trying to keep the "status quo" of the game going, but also hypocritically knowing how to mess with the code of the game itself to benefit himself. That raises a red flag already. We just didn't know until later that he and Turbo were the same person. And even in the finale, he misses the bigger picture of the consequences of merging with the bug, just seeing it is another way to manipulate the code to maintain his own power, and that leads to his downfall. The ending in particular I think is a great parallel. Ralph saves the day by accepting who he is and using what he's built for, while Candy/Turbo loses by altering himself so much that he is forced to go against his own code of self-preservation. Ralph is prepared to lose his own life to save others and wins, while Turbo loses from his desire to win over valuing others.

[@ruthiewitter569]

This film is pure gold. I love it so much. And the final design? WOW. nightmare fuel. All the way down to the way it turns its head and moves it’s body, it’s so creepy and unhinged. Perfection.

[@braydenbanks4228]

I always loved that the Environment for Ralph's final showdown against the Turbobug atop Mt. Diet Cola felt like some grand Final Fantasy or Souls-like boss arena.

[@ghostchaser1631]

Vanellope: "What?! Who are you?!" King Kandy/Turbo: "I'm Turbo, the greatest racer ever! And I did not reprogram this game, just to let you, and that halitosis riddled wart hog, TAKE IT AWAY FROM ME!!!!"

[@OhHeckNono]

Turbo is like, my favorite Disney character ever, so I wish I could do more than like the video :) thanks for dedicating a video to the character, man.

[@kazookiddo7605]

When I saw the movie 2nd time, I found a big hint that dude was Turbo. He immediately recognized Ralph and asked him about "going Turbo". How could have a modern game character known who tf are Ralph and Turbo?

[@missamieholly2313]

I remember when I watched this movie in theaters and I was genuinely surprised King Candy was Turbo... but then I thought about it and it made PERFECT SENSE. The hints were there all along, in fact, some of them were in plain sight! It's a surprise, but it's logical. That's how you know you've written a phenomenal twist villain

[@phoemnix2999]

take a shot every time the word "actually" is said, bonus points if you start at 6 minutes

[@reemakang3406]

I Think The Main Problem With Disney Twist Villians Is That They Are So Predictable Because In Most Modern Disney Movies The Villians Are Always Twist Villians Such As Prince Hans From Frozen,Dawn Bellwether From Zootopia,King Candy/Turbo From Wreck-It-Ralph,And Yokai From Big Heroe 6 So Now The Twist Villian Theme Has Got Boring Because Disney Keeps Showing Twist Villians In They're Movies And It Is So Predictable

[@EEVEE_fan16]

True , because of that the question is „when will the predicteble plot twist appear?” Instead of „is there gonna be a plot twist ?”

[@justanidiotmk2749]

Why is every individual word capitalized?

[@Alucard2091]

@@justanidiotmk2749 A villain right there

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

Bellwether was rather convincing as a twist-villain, the character show her shy and cheerfull side to others, she even helped Judith and Nick to know why the predators became wild. When they confronted her, Bellwether showed the opposite of her positive traits and even goes as far by trying to get Judith killed by a wild Nick. The two fooled her, that was a play from them both. Turbo is another secret villain done right. Hans was boring, so does Yokai too, at least, from my opinion.

[@Unsweetened8618]

I knew Hans was a villain, when Anna came back to the palace. I could feel it.

[@Justin-Hill-1987]

I like the basic premise for "Wreck-It Ralph": take a concept similar to "Toy Story" and apply it to arcade video games in a video arcade, like for example, having the characters in each game becoming sentient to the point of hopping from one arcade game to another when no one's watching (most of the time)...

[@zacho9002]

This sounds like an argumentative essay 😭

[@zoelindwall637]

King candy is the best twist villain I ever seen since professor Marmalade

[@nas0518]

*Marmalade

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

The Bad Guys is a very good movie, love the mix between 2D and 3D. The movie took inspiration from the Lupin the third franchise.

[@ravenlawson2851]

The reason he even works is a villain, and Wreck-It Ralph is because the premise is simple, a candy king, a leader you look up to, and won’t suspect in behind all that he’s just a parasite virus a glitch in the matrix you might say And that’s why he works as a villain simple😌 that’s why you don’t have to put so much thought into his character because it’s all laid right out for them😊

[@richardryley3660]

King Candy was known to be the adversary from the beginning, but it wasn't until he was revealed to be Turbo that you realized that he was the VILLAIN. Up until then, while you rooted for Ralph and Vanellope, you understood why King Candy felt he had to stop her. That's why the scene where Ralph destroys her car is so heart wrenching. We don't yet know that King Candy is lying, and manipulating both Ralph and us. The revelation that King Candy is Turbo makes everything fall into place. You immediately know what's going on the second his true identity is revealed. And you immediately realize that this is what Ralph could have become of he continued his game jumping. Hans doesn't get this revelation because he is portrayed as a hero from the start. If he had insisted that he had to bring on Elsa for her own good, presented a real threat to her, but acted like he had a good reason to capture her, then the twist would have landed better. He could have even tried to take her in without harming her, but still been firm and unyielding even when Anna begged him to stop. But the writers were playing up the angle of Hans being a Disney Prince. I think that's why they made him too "perfect" instead of letting him be the antagonist.

[@martijnklaassen3536]

The sequal ignored the lesson from the first movie... Think about it: In the sequal she went full Turbo at the end... something the first movie told everyone NOT to do

[@опарышссигаретой]

Я только сейчас это понял😰

[@GaryCurnowII]

I loved Wreck-It Ralph, and I still tear up a little every time Ralph does the sacrificial dive into the volcano. But I remember being shocked the first time King Candy was revealed as Turbo, I absolutely did not see that coming. However, on repeat viewings I’m like “Ohhhh, that’s why “going Turbo” was mentioned so often in the movie, it makes so much sense now!” Great twist, in my opinion. Not that King Candy was evil, but how far he went, and how long he stayed hidden and in charge of his own little kingdom.

[@tedgonzalez985]

I'll never forget the shock my friend and I had when they revealed the Turbo twist at the theater. It just made too much sense and all the signs were there, yet neither of us saw it coming.

[@alexknj1]

King Candy isnt a twist villain, he's a villain with a twist.

[@aircraftcarrierwo-class]

I agree. King Candy has several hints and clues throughout the film that suggest he's the antagonist, and he becomes the antagonist during act 2. The _twist_ with King Candy isn't that he's the villain, but who he actually is-- a callback to earlier storytelling that rewards those who paid attention to act 1 of the story.

[@skeleton819]

what i find most interesting is that cybugs typically take over whatever they eat, including people. But Turbo was just so strong he took over the cybug that ate him

[@Bbydoll_]

He wasn’t strong enough to take over the cybug, that’s why he went into the light against his will 😭😂

[@skeleton819]

@@Bbydoll_ true but he mostly had free reign over it

[@Kahtisemo]

Part of me winders if that's because of his double persona. Like overlapping data. The Cybug sorta took over King Candy, but not Turbo, but Turbo is so determined at this point he's still fighting to override the "bug" until he can't anymore. Then as he flies towards the light we see Candy's face with the hypnotic static but when it flashes to Turbo, he's screaming. 🤔

[@SirSonic900]

I always thought King Candy was a really good Disney twist villain. I mean, I certainly didn't see it coming. Personally, I wish Disney would go back to this kind of thing. It makes the movies and characters so much more interesting when you don't realize who the villain is.

[@jenniferhiemstra5228]

Zootopia wasn't bad...not great, but not bad. My issue was that the twist villain was already overdone by then so by the time Zootopia came along, I was over it. That said, I don't think you're correct about Bellwether...her motives aren't personal, but social. And in the context of that story, her motives and presentation makes sense. But I love Zootopia regardless, it's a solid movie anyway. I don't even think BH6 was bad, it was just...blah.

[@hunterolaughlin]

I still don’t understand why the Academy picked Big Hero 6 for Best Animated Feature when either How to Train Your Dragon 2 or The Tale of the Princess Kaguya would’ve been better choices.

[@jenniferhiemstra5228]

@@hunterolaughlin Fully agreed.

[@Dragonite43]

Because the people who vote for them, don't care about animated movies. They see them as kids movies, and nothing else.@@hunterolaughlin

[@Thighlicious]

@@hunterolaughlinI mean I like all three of those but Big hero 6 had me in the feels.

[@kaij4967]

What made Turbo such a great twist villain is that it complimented King Candies character, instead of just revealing him to be a different character, this is because by making King Candy and Turbo the same, it sets him up to be a foil to Ralph. Prior to the reveal Ralph and Turbo were basically the same, two characters blinded by a desire for attention (the audience doesn't make the correlation though because they think Ralph as oppose to Turbo deserves the attention) who were willing to do anything for it. Even if Ralph was "deserving of recognition" it doesn't change the fact that he still put many lives in danger without even considering the consequences. Through the events of the movie though Ralph begins to think less for himself and more for others, once Ralph truly commits to this ideology is when he decides to give his life to erupt the volcano, and what happens when he does that, BOOM TWIST VILLAIN. By revealing King Candy to be Turbo we now see what Ralph could have become if he still stuck on his selfish path to fame, which makes Ralph and King Candy perfect opposites of each other and is what makes Turbo to be a great twist villain, not because it changed the story, but because it added to it.

[@MasterofInterspace]

6:30 actually, what's really great about this is that everything King Candy says is true. If she got to the end, she would have been added to the race roster, and if the game was unplugged while she was a glitch then she couldn't leave. And would die inside. The only thing he didn't say was that crossing the finish line would reinstute her into the game. That's why the lie is so convincing, with all the information present it only makes sense to prevent her from racing

[@ConcernedGD]

That turbo endboss design probably terrified tons of children loll

[@johnpett1955]

We all knew King Candy was the villain, but Turbo, being the King Candy the whole time, was genuinely surprising.

[@lhadzyan7300]

Wreck-It Ralph is amazing as the climatic of complexity on modern heroes and villains on their very best ever, also it made such a big honoring praising to the videogames subculture which also was loved A LOT by serious gamers throught the world as finally one very traditional group as Disney included and updated itself to have the videogames comunity finally well stablished within, all this 11 years before the Super Mario Bross success movie of Illumination, so Disney was on his very best at the 2010s early Revivals time but then came Frozen and all got going down-hill eventually on eventhough there were nice works on Big Hero 6, Zootopia and Moana before all was done at the WiFi Ralph movie sequel.

[@torytellstales]

King Candy/Turbo I gotta say is definitely one of the most impressive villains to date as far as the Disney villain category goes. Name another Disney villain who single handedly killed someone they first became jealous of in one blow, got two worlds destroyed, became a name not many want to speak of, put on a clever disguise and sneakily took over a kingdom that belonged to someone else and on top of that was good at manipulation. That's quite a resume of accomplishments for a video game character! But the icing on the cake is he literally is threatening in much more scarier implications, in the way that if he was so power hungry with taking over the whole arcade, it wouldn't have been long for his madness to escalate and gained the skills necessary to go Scooby Doo's "Phantom Virus" on the ones playing the games in the real world. If Ralph didn't stop him, he would've definitely gone "turbo" into our world eventually, being a real life game creepypasta character bent on dominating/killing real people!

[@soleonshae8657]

The twist isn't the villainy. It's how big of a villain he actually is

[@fizzy69o.0]

Turbo revealing himself is probably one of the most unexpected Disney twists in general and that makes him even better as a villain obv ^w^

[@indigo_neo]

Bellwether isn’t actually a bad twist villain. She’s just so subtle that it seems like it came out of left field when she is revealed. It takes a few watches to figure out the hints that lead to her. Turbo is one of the few Disney twist villains foreshadowed well, and he’s great.

[@Slack3rG3nius]

Zootopia was an excellent movie of course but I'm thinking the "twist villain" as Bellwether was out of nowhere. May have been more impactful if the big bad was someone like a sibling or cousin of Judy causing Judy to have to decide between family loyalty and doing what is right- of course doing what is right.

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

I thought of something, the mother of Judy mentioned that one of her siblings turned crazy because of the NightHowlers and bite her. That what brought Judy on the right path.. Yet the movie make it as if the predators are the only who can be infected by that. Too bad she didn't a flashback also.

[@Taevarth]

What makes Turbo a great twist villain is that, it wasn't the fact he was a villain that was the twist, he was already an antagonist (I.E not inherently a villain, just someone with conflicting goals to the protagonist, there is a small but subtle line between an Antagonist and a Villain), the twist was his identity and goals. We assumed his goal was to "preserve" the status quo of his game, he had valid reasons for not wanting to let Venelope win the game, from our perspective. He was antagonistic towards Ralph, but never outright malicious. It wasn't until his own existence was threatened did he reveal himself, and that all of his seemingly good-intentioned actions were actually just selfish preservation. Literally nobody would have suspected that Turbo survived his own game being decommissioned. Newer games aren't even supposed to know who he is, which is another clue to his identity since King Candy knew who Turbo was.

[@bleachraid9737]

The very first time I watched the movie I asked why king candy said vanellope wasn’t part of the game when I just saw her on the side of the arcade game even though I only looked at the design once. Anyway I really love this movie. It’s my number 1 actually. The characters, story line, and background sets. Especially everything about sugar rush. This made me so happy that I watched it all of the time. I even want the full movie to keep somehow so I can watch it anytime I want. :)

[@makocrab2223]

It’s the classic trick of revealing that 2 things are the same. King Candy is also Turbo just like how Darth Vader is Luke’s dad. He’s one of my favorite villains. A successful twist that was set up from the first scene of the movie, when Bison asked Ralph if he was “going Turbo?” With no context, I thought it was an odd Street Fighter 2: Turbo reference. But then it gets brought up again by King Candy himself, and even though we still don’t have context, we’re starting to realize that “going Turbo” means something else. Then we get the full story from Felix, and the story ends with Turbo seemingly having crashed his own game and another & getting both removed from the arcade. Turbo is never seen or heard from again, leading the audience to think that it’s just a “cautionary tale,” as Calhoun puts it. Some people have pointed out that the reveal was given away by the fact that Turbo & King Candy have the same voice, but I never thought anything of it. Voice actors routinely play multiple characters in the same show or movie. The big clue, for me, was when King Candy went into the code room of Sugar Rush & began tampering with the literal fabric of that world’s reality. He suddenly went from being a clownish but credible antagonist to something much more ominous, even if I didn’t know what he was yet. The reveal makes sense: Turbo escaped at the last second before his old game(s) could be carted out the door. He remained in hiding and chose to infiltrate another racing game, since that’s what he was always best at. And a game like Sugar Rush may have losers, but the racers never die, making it a safe game for Turbo to infiltrate, since he can’t respawn. And I love how Ralph uses his size & strength to intimidate Candy through the whole movie, and then Candy becomes a monstrous cybug & turns the tables. He enjoys toying with Ralph, smashing him around, and calling him “little guy.” He’s a great shadow of Ralph, with the main difference between them being what drove each of them to leave their games in the first place. Ralph just wanted to be respected, and treated decently. Turbo wanted the fame & glory & power & didn’t care who he had to crush to get it.

[@frostbite2119]

Also, Turbo actually scared me. Most Disney villains don't creep me out, but Turbo did, in a good way. The execution was spot on.

[@NLS84]

I just remember turbo scaring the hell out of me as a kid

[@flarestriker2005]

Same here, the Cy-bugs also scared me too, they look badass but scary because of what they can do.

[@anastasia_852]

Same. Heck he even looks scary in the thumbnail

[@archtansterpg4246]

I think what a lot of people overlook, or just don't realize, is that there's actually a big difference between being a villain and being an antagonist. Someone can be antagonistic - that is, actively opposing the heroes - without being an obviously evil guy from the start like Ursula, Jafar, or Scar (e.g. you could, in a way, say Abuela Alma, Ming Lee and Anxiety were the antagonists of their respective movies without saying they were straight up villains) I think what made King Candy work is that he's set up as the antagonist by trying to prevent Vanellope from racing and trying to capture Ralph before they do any further damage to his kingdom. But given the setting (the rule of if your game is glitched you're at risk of getting unplugged) and Ralph's general buffoonery, you can actually see he has (somewhat) sympathetic reasons for doing what he does. In this sense, he's the antagonist, but he's not a straight-up villain. It's not until the final act when his ulterior motives are revealed (and where his façade of any semblance of benevolence breaks down) when he actually reaches peak villain, IMO. Compare that to Hans, Callaghan, or Bellwether. Now, they're still okay as characters, and their movies are still amazing, but they're presented as genuinely good guys at first with no reason to think they're evil (As Film Theory put it, "Disney knew they needed a twist villain and just used Hans to shuffle pieces around without much concern into how it would play into his larger character arc"). Or, in Callaghan and arguably Bellwether's case, they're just not built up enough as characters for the twist to quite stick. You outlined some of this in your video, but I think the issue with them is that they don't do anything remotely antagonistic until the plot demands they be revealed as the bad guys.

[@ashurad_fox5991]

The reason why I think Turbo worked as a Villain is him actually being established as one early on. (You see him messing with th code of the arcade machine, you see him subtly insulting Penelope, and you see him using hindrances to prevent Penelope from going back as a racer) While the other Disney Villains, Like from the sheep secretary from Zootopia, the consort from Frozen, and so much more... Is because like the video said "shows them as the villain at the end" and basically just summarizes their backstory to you, instead of little hints and pieces to develop their character which leads to their final reveal.

[@TheJacksontoy]

Turbo was a great twist villain because he wasn’t really a twist villain. He was the main villain from the start as King Candy and caused trouble for Ralph from the start and throughout the movie, like all great villains do. The “twist” about the character wasn’t that he was a villain when we previously thought he was a good guy. It was that he was literally not the person we thought he was and was instead a person long thought to be dead.

[@enderfox1699]

1:00 -woahwoahowoahwoah...woah. spawned Disney twist villain? Uhhh, hmmmm don't get me wrong Turbo/King Candy was a fantastic twist, however he was not the first. Are we forgetting Mr Waternoose from Monsters Inc who was a legendary twist

[@orlandofurioso7329]

Was that Disney or Pixar before the merge?

[@tjsmith5276]

See, Zootopia was good because even though it had a crappy twist villain in Mayor Bellwether, it had a superb antagonist in Nick Wilde. Wilde is the one who did all of that upset the balance and instill doubt in the main character stuff that you mentioned.

[@vylbird8014]

That and a great deal of worldbuilding work. Sometimes you get a setting which is so well-thought-out that, for the duration of the film, you can almost believe it's real and a place you want to live. Then you have to come back to harsh reality at the end. Then you become a furry.

[@Kahtisemo]

Yeah and it's even better that their teamwork for most of the movie is due to a precarious position. He's helping, sure, but he's got connections and holding up the search whenever he can, so you might expect there's going to be a point where he turns on her and we the audience knows she has that spray which due to tropes is due to come into play at some point. But then it turns out it's JUDY that betrays Nick and he's the one (in a way) to use the spray against her by pointing out he knew she had it this whole time and trusted her anyway. And Judy is the one who is revealed to be working for the bad guys all along, even if she didn't realize she was being played. I think Bellwether was good as a twist villain since we saw the build up and abuse she put up with and getting to take over after getting rid of the mayor and showing she wants to utilize Judy but ends up pushing her to quit instead. But the reveal is where the build up didn't feel like a good payoff. There's little hints throughout that are fun to spot on repeat viewings, but what she really needed was either A) not flip her personality on the reveal. She was doing fine as the sweet manipulater type and could have done the monologue without sounding like she's boasting evilly about it. Maybe like Waternoose where she shoots Nick and honestly feels bad for having to dispose of Judy but they know too much. B) I know its a mystery but if she was going to be evil, it was immediately revealed and then caught. If they were going to have her monologue then get away for a bit or try to make her escape so there's some sense of threat about what she could do if they failed to stop her, but no. She monologues and the police are immediately on her. This works in some mysteries where we either don't see the culprit very much so when the detective reveals them, they say their motives and go to jail but they weren't that important anyway since the focus was on the mystery; or we've seen the culprit laying things out with no idea what the larger goal is but when they do, it's always raising suspicion about their intent. At very few points does she seem to be acting like she might be up to something, we just build motive.

[@zachtemoro2116]

The best part about him manipulating Ralph as well is that he didn’t even technically lie about glitches. When the game is about to be overrun by Cybugs, Valnelope can’t leave. She is stuck in the game just like he said she would be, she can’t leave to safety. Obviously we know the truth of the matter that she was actually apart of the game once upon a time, but his lie and breakdown of events is only convincing because he’s not just bsing Ralph. For someone who has also been in the Arcade for 30 years too, its such a clever mind game on KC’s part since if anyone would know this, it WOULD be Ralph who should know almost everything about the Arcade at this point. Masterclass writing

[@Kahtisemo]

While that's true, you suddenly made me wonder if Ralph actually would have known what happens to Glitches when a game goes down. Because he was willing to help Vanillope, which is why KC told him about the possible disaster in the first place, but maybe that was also a slight error on Turbo's part. He knew because of that history Ralph would understand why the game glitching is bad, but it also should raise red flags about why he knows this being both a newer game and not being around the last time a game got fully decommissioned. Which is scary to think if a Glitch can't leave the game, he only knows this (sunce it turned out to be true) because he probably saw this first hand after accidentally corrupting the other game and escaping. He escaped but its likely those who got corrupted by his meddling weren't able to get out. 😰

[@Konani_the_unicorn_queen]

take a shot every time this guy says "actually" -i didn't think of it at first, then he said it maybe 10 times in less than 2 minutes.. and it's kinda all i could hear after that,

[@FadeDeerFn]

Can we get an “actually” count?💀💀💀💀

[@mettatonex7221]

Even before the full scope of King Candy's status as the villain, he was throwing out the sort of lines that make you love him and hate him at the same time like any good villain would, my favorite being "Farewell Ralph! It hasn't been a pleasure!".

[@Wbfuhn]

There are villains you do see and villains you don't see. However, there are heroes you do see and then heroes you don't expect.

[@reemakang3406]

Just Because King Candy/Turbo Was A Great Twist Villian Disney Has Started To Keep Making Twist Villians Just Because King Candy/Turbo Was A Great Villian Dose'nt Mean Prince Hans,Dawn Bellwether,And Yokai Will Be Too

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Empezó desde waternoose monster inc

[@Alucard2091]

The og twist villain@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511

[@QueSeraSeraaaa]

​​@@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511watermoose wasn't that bad, and i don't know if he count as a twist-villain.. While Randall is a villain but not a great one. That scene where Booh beat his head with a baseball bat was epic thought.. 😂

[@Richterdgf]

There are so many subtle hints that King Candy doesn't belong in Sugar Rush. It makes for a great time on a repeat viewing. 1: He is an old man, while all the other playable characters are children. 2: His character design is subtly different from the anime/chibi style the rest of the roster adheres to. 3: His very name is simple, when the rest of the roster has names like "Vanellope von Schweetz" and "Taffyta Muttonfudge." 4: King Candy is quick to correct Ralph on the color of his throne room being salmon instead of pink. Almost as if the throne room was meant for a princess instead of a king... 5: King Candy is TERRIFIED that Ralph is going to kill him at several points. As Sugar Rush is not King Candy/Turbo's home game, he would die permanently and not respawn. 6: His design doesn't quite synch up with his cart. Everything about King Candy is slighty "off" but still close enough that you don't notice it at first.

[@imreallybadatgamesonps4]

I know that this has nothing to do with Disney, but the best twist villain in gaming is Gary from Bully, If you've played that game you know why.