Why The Screenslaver is Pixar's Stupidest Villain [Incredibles 2]

[@Rockotarthepurplehatguy]

I have actually already thought of a few more things I could point out since recording this video. Oh and shout-out to The Stingray (my brother) for reacting to part of the movie with me.

[@Karson-Duh-Fox]

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[@DiegoMatos-u6u]

Hey Stingray, I’m Diego, I went to help out today!

[@armania_9064]

Seeing you and your brothers reaction clips was funny. Nice that those were added into the video.

[@olleselin]

What about the Zurg twist in "Lightyear"

[@UltimateDragonX99999]

you should titan from Megamind next as the best twisted villain that DreamWorks ever made.

[@UrLoPi02]

Incredibles 1 "You sly dog you had me monaloging" Incredibles 2: has a villan monologue

[@adamH.1]

I mean let's be fair, Syndrome had a lot of monologues aswell

[@UrLoPi02]

@@adamH.1 good point

[@fanofyoshi2238]

​@@adamH.1Yeah, but the first movie aimed at poking fun of mologues.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

​@adamH.1 but at least he recognized when he was monologuing

[@KyzenEX]

​@@adamH.1Yeah, that's the point, in the first movie nobody is expected to take them seriously as the movie itself calls attention to them. In the second movie, the directors expect us to take Evelyn's monologues seriously.

[@vetarlittorf1807]

The screenslaver was basically every supervillain trope that the original movie was making fun of: failure because of monologues, overly complicated plan, petty motivation, on-the-nose name (Evelyn Deavor = Evil endeavor) etc.

[@DanialTarki]

Was not expecting that Oscar statue guy

[@CT-Irodion]

Evelyn Deavor is a name for an Ace Attorney villain.

[@DanialTarki]

@@CT-IrodionThanks, GamingMagic13.

[@MysteriumArcanum]

​@@DanialTarkiplus she had a gaunt facial structure and resting bitch face which can also be shorthand for "this person is obviously the villain"

[@emperorfrozenbillrulerofan8767]

THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE

[@jjgalloway6866]

It would have been way cooler if the brother was the screen slaver and he just created the character and caused all these problems just to make heroes look good and get them legalized again.

[@BlueBlazeKing]

I actually have a bit of a different take on that, the brother created the screen slaver as a way to drum up support for supers to become legal again with the Pizza guy being the fall guy for when things are said and done. But seeing this practice as immoral and not wanting supers back, Evelyn takes over the mantle to encact the same plan as she did in the twist. Basically the siblings both get an interesting dynamic as the brother is doing bad to ensure more good could occur in the future while the sister is attempting to correct her brother’s actions under the guise that true heroes don’t exist and all they do is bring destruction to people’s lives

[@Virtualblueart]

I really thought that was what the movie was going for when I watched it. The twist was just weak.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@VirtualblueartA lot of these films, I see one of the secondary characters and think, “they’re definitely going to turn out to be the main antagonist”, and probably 85% of the time I have been correct.

[@Uta_Chandra.H]

If only they got rid of the other superheroes from the cruise ship. They're more of a Token representation of" Coming out of the closet " rather than Xmen mutants from the sewers

[@futabagaming]

​@@Uta_Chandra.H and what kinds of people are the x-men supposed to represent, Uta Chandra H?

[@RomWatt]

Trying to make super heroes illegal, when they're already illegal, by helping your brother to make them legal again, and then sabotage the legalization of super heroes in the most suspicious way possible. Masterful gambit, sir!

[@atomicnumber202]

Great strategy, Cotton. Let's see how well *THAT* goes.

[@daraghokane4236]

The plan should have been to other way around be a supervillian, the hero's stop you, that is the way to make them legal again. Her plan should have been make them legal again how make the world see how much they need them

[@Nighlocktheawesome00]

Really, it would've made more sense if the Supers were already made legal after the battle with the Omnidroid. You'd think after seeing the American Military, which had pretty much become a global superpower at the time, lose to an unstoppable killing machine, they would legalize Supers again after that.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

It would have made more sense if the effort on her brother’s part was an organic initiative that already existed when she developed her plan, and if, under those circumstances, she operated covertly to undermine those efforts of that organization (I think a few media scandals would have done the trick). Maybe she could have anonymously sent essays to newspaper opinion columns fear-mongering about these people with dangerous, freakish abilities, or turn minor incidents concerning former superheroes into big scandals. High-profile homicide? Check to see if the suspect had any history as a super or was rumored to have certain abilities. I’m sure if she reached out to Insuricare, one of their (maybe former) more prominent employees would have something of particular note to say on the matter concerning a suspected superhero’s workplace behavior… As I understand it, the push to criminalize super heroic vigilantism (and ultimately the public sentiment against supers) came from negative backlash against the often violent externalities of their work, as was especially noted with the incident on the L and with Mr. Sansweet. If Evelyn could have focused public attention on that along with some internal mismanagement of her brother’s organization, longstanding fears and prejudices about supers would be ignited and return to the forefront, and if they don’t outright overwhelm the pro-super advocates, it certainly would be bigger than any other issue that government might have (which, supposing the time period depicted is the 1960s or 1970s, there’s bound to be a lot). Housing developments would pop up with covenants restricting or forbidding ownership or rental by or on behalf of suspected supers, and the constitutionality of those measures would be debated in congresses all over the world. She wouldn’t have to have the crazy mind control scheme; if anything that’s what ruined it for her. Why go through all that effort when she could just use connections with newspaper publishers and television broadcasters (which she’s got to have some; she’s rich and probably well-connected).

[@hawktalon7890]

@@Nighlocktheawesome00 My thoughts exactly.

[@deleetiusproductions3497]

The Screenslaver's identity should've been revealed to be the pizza man as an explanation for there being no Pizza Planet truck

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

The pizza man being the main villain also would've made the best Disney twist villain instead of the villain we acted got.

[@deleetiusproductions3497]

@@Al3xGamz_757 idk either i just made a schaffrillas reference that i'm not even sure accurately restates what he says in the video now that i think about it

[@Yourfat247]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Al3xGamz_757Evelyn literally admits to being the screen slaver, the pizza delivery guy was just the fall guy. I’m baffled to why you have 4 likes

[@fawfulfan]

Wow. I noticed as a kid that Syndrome's flashback was different from how the event originally occurred, but I always thought that was an oversight on the director's part. I never realized that was intentional, to show that Syndrome had a warped, overly self-pitying memory of what actually happened.

[@wyattcole5452]

I didn’t see the OG incredibles till around the time the sequel came out, I was 12 so it was easier to pick up on

[@shieldgenerator7]

i never actually noticed that

[@jmaster4941]

A great case of using the "unreliable narrator" in which case it's Buddy/Syndrome recounting his own take on the events but from his warped POV.

[@strangeactuallylegume]

Precisely!

[@CaulkMongler]

Truly “extreme fan” behavior we see in real life too. The moment a celebrity acts like a real human and wants to enforce normal boundaries all of a sudden it’s “I’ve been a fan forever and I deserve your time and attention”

[@ivanbluecool]

Real mistake was the dad not having a second super hero phone in the panic room it's like having a gun for emergency but you have it in like 10 different safes that make it useless when trouble actually happens

[@johnathanprentice-funk1752]

Exactly!

[@lindapinto2196]

It would make sence

[@lindapinto2196]

Especially If a super villian showed up because their rich

[@arrombaacasa390]

Stupidity is a recurrent thing in his family

[@johngonzalez2495]

He also should've had a FUCKING gun

[@toothlessthedragon5100]

Her plan is basically wanting to cancel her Netflix subscription, but she can’t do that because she doesn’t have one. So she buys a subscription just so she can unsubscribe.

[@CriticalMaster95]

What's interesting is that at the end of the first movie, it was heavily implied that superheroes were made legal again. However it was retconned in the sequel so that superheroes were still illegal. Evelyn would've made more sense if superheroes had in fact been made legal again after the first movie, and if her plan had been changed to make more sense.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

Well, supers become legal again wasn't really shown at the end of the first film and the sequel did a good job showing it.

[@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming]

I think it'd be better if they completely changed her motivation instead of re-using the whole "supers are illegal" plot.

[@MahNamJeff]

@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 just because it wasn't shown doesn't mean it was heavily implied.

[@Yourfat247]

@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967well the first film didn’t exactly show that hero’s were illegal

[@cameronspalding9792]

@@CriticalMaster95 To be fair: just because they are redeemed in the eyes of the public, doesn’t mean they are redeemed in the eyes of the law.

[@squiddler7731]

Remember, this movie lost an entire year in production. _A full year,_ just for Toy Story 4

[@mangamouse520]

Oh crap, now I’m curious on if that’ll happen again since we’re getting both Toy Story 5 and Incredibles 3 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@squiddler7731]

@@mangamouse520 Doubtful. It only happened because Toy story 4 wasn't going to be ready for it's summer release window, and so Disney in their infinite wisdom decided to swap them around because they couldn't go one summer without releasing a Pixar movie. I like to think that after this, lightyear and how they've just mistreated Pixar in general, they'll know better by now

[@tienluong9648]

I mean, Toy Story 4 is really good

[@Alexis-vm8ng]

To take a full year away from this just for the shit show that was Toy Story 4

[@VultureMax]

@@Alexis-vm8ngToy Story 4 Isn’t awful bro. It’s just unnecessary 🤷‍♂️

[@edgaropts5257]

Maybe screenslayver was to busy pretending to be a genius she forgot to actually be one.

[@elder-woodsilverstein7716]

Even that sounds more interesting.

[@Fireyninjadog]

Remember: evelyn's father had a saferoom in his house. He could've gone there, but he didn't. Even more reason why it's not the superheros fault

[@RheaZenko]

Agreed. The fact that Evelyn even mentions this in the movie just goes to show how even she knew her motives were off.

[@KingOfMumbles485...]

Why didn't he put the hero phones in the safe room.

[@Fireyninjadog]

@@KingOfMumbles485...he could've also called 911

[@ruecianbeoulve7770]

Evelyn's motivation and tie-in with her philosophy that people become too complacent and dependent on others is because their father went for the super heroes instead of hiding in the safe room and he was shot at the phones, if the heroes hadn't been illegal they still wouldn't have gotten there in time and he'd have been shot at the phones. If he had taken the time used to get to the phones to get to the safe room, the robbers would have looted some stuff, but their parents would be alive. You can't call someone on the phone and teleport them to you. Neither Fironic (a fire guy) nor Gazerbeam (laser eyes) could teleport or shield. His sensationalized fascination with supers caused him to waste time supposedly fumbling multiple calls and waiting for an answer. The only reason I could see the son not being "a child, conflating the two" is if the break in happened in such a way that the burglars were between the bedroom and the safe room, or the safe room was useless/defunct in it's function, or if their mom got shot at or on the way to the safe room, in which case neither option would have mattered. Winston probably thinks that the robbers would have been scared off by the implication of a super being on the way, maybe due to recognizing the themed phone or perhaps there was an increase in crime when supers were made illegal and he thinks the crime may never have occurred at all had supers been legal, however we know there were many super heroes at play before they became illegal, and the set up of the world did not seem to imply a lack of crime in "the glory days". Evelyn was correct about the situation of their parents deaths, but her familial bias causes her to place exclusive blame on others for inspiring her father to be an idiot because she doesn't want to think poorly of her father. Very common and realistic situation.

[@teacoon6399]

@@ruecianbeoulve7770Ahunno I think there were better ways for her to blame supers. Like I saw one video point out the idea of supers may give average people a hero complex of their own and her father felt compelled to fight the robbers head on

[@RoxyReviews0]

Good thing that we can literally see them weaking the hypno-masks, but apparently nobody in the movie can.

[@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming]

Did you mean to say "wearing?" Autocorrect is dumb

[@DiamondKingStudios]

@@Gloom_Shroom_GamingI originally read that as “weakening”

[@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming]

@dr.c.f.8074 I wonder why almost no one in the movie besides Dash and Violet suspect the obviously abnormal masks to be behind the supers' weird behavior.

[@nathan22211]

yeah this movie even makes the FBI look incompetent in universe. And I only say that because there's a US flag towards the end. I would assume supers were legal elsewhere in the world largely because this isn't hinging on a UN delegation.

[@JoyousPeas]

Fun fact about the Incredibles: Gazerbeam is alive in the LEGO version. The games (usually) always have two playable characters so they can have different puzzles with characters having different powers and stuff, and for co-op, but since Mr. Incredible was alone on the island, they just made Gazerbeam alive with amnesia.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

I actually liked Gazerbeam being alive in the Lego Harry more than him being dead in the film.

[@LegendaryDorkKnight]

I can't remember who, but there was a KZbinr who theorized that Gazerbeam didn't actually die in the film, but escaped the island and went into hiding. A short explanation based on what I can remember is that Mr. Incredible finds "Gazerbeam" in a cave after Syndrome lost Mr. Incredible while toying with him. "Gazerbeam" put the password to Syndrome's computer on the wall using his laser vision which Bob uses to access Syndrome's computer to find the files showing all the heroes that Syndrome's machine "killed." After this (immediately after, in fact), Syndrome finds and captures Bob. How did Syndrome know Bob was here at the computer? Last he saw him, he was outside and nowhere near the lair. Why was this file conveniently there for Bob to see at a glance? This theorist posits that Syndrome set that all up to break down Bob. He WANTED Bob to see the files but he didn't want to just show him the files. He wanted him to not only find "Gazerbeam" in that cave (who was likely a prop) to discover a close friend had died. He wanted him to think Gazerbeam had left some last glimmer of hope in his dying moments only to find despair as he realized that Syndrome's machine had killed so many and was virtually unstoppable. He wanted to crush Bob's indomitable hero spirit. To make him think that no matter how much Bob struggled, he'd end up like all the others. And for a moment, it worked. Bob was ready to give up until his family showed up.

[@SpaceRodan]

@@LegendaryDorkKnight that completely contradicts what happens in the film though. The skeleton had Super DNA, thats how it fooled the scanner. The computer room had automated defenses and the homing beacon in Bobs suit triggered it. Also Syndrome geeks out over how cool Bobs espionage was up until the homing beacon blew his cover, and is audibly and visibly disappointed. A reaction that makes no sense if he set it all up. All somehow to justify the survival of Gazerbeam... Dunno what youtuber came up with that.

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@LegendaryDorkKnight It was literally explained in the movie why Syndrome knew he was in the computer. Elastigirl activates the tracker which makes a loud beeping and the automatic defense picks up and incapacitates him as the secretary who was just there walks back in. He did not know He was there.

[@DiamondKingStudios]

⁠@@bluefiremarkiiAnd when Mr. Incredible wakes up trapped, Syndrome, knowing that the tracking device’s audible signal was what alerted the security system (and thus informed him) of Mr. Incredible’s presence, almost immediately asks who he contacted, knowing that a government-owned aircraft is inbound and assuming some connection with the tracker.

[@starc.c.2117]

The only thing I found mildly fun about her was her targeting the pizza boy as her fake screenslaver because he gave her a cold pizza. I enjoy petty and over the top villains so that’s probably why

[@cameronspalding9792]

@ 8:51 I actually do like the contrast between Evelyn and her brother perceiving the murder of their dads in different ways: Evelyn blames the hero’s for not helping him which is why she’s against them, whereas her brother believes the reason he was killed was because the hero were banned so they need to be unbanned

[@Rockotarthepurplehatguy]

Good idea, poor execution sadly. That is a lot of this Movie's flaws. It just needed more time to cook so the flaws could be ironed out.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@Rockotarthepurplehatguyso you’re telling me that it’s NOT BOTH of the parents who were murdered just the dad only

[@Virtualblueart]

@@noorbohamad5796 It was a long tome ago I saw it, , but mom just dissipated off stage kind of. Come to think of it, who would be the one to irrationally hate the heroes the most? The mom. They could have gone with the mom being screen slaver but old and thus using proxies to commit the crimes. Maybe a plot to hypnotise criminals into honest citizens and creating an ideal society where supers would only be in the way. If supers were legal again at the start of the movie it would have given her a great reason to go crazy and hypnotise the rest of the family to defame supers.

[@Justapikachu577]

@@Virtualblueart omg a mom and daughter villain duo would be awesome??? What is it with Disney and Pixar getting rid of villain duos?! It also happened in Wish with a king and queen duo!

[@tobiasbayer4866]

Wait, what? I think I must have missed this during the video. Supers were illegal during that time??? Wow, that makes the whole thing even dumber. Ofcourse they wont show up If they were literally banned from doing hero work. How is that in any way the heroes fault??

[@BreadAndButter504]

Buddy: I want to be a superhero Mr. Incredible: I can't allow you to do that. You are a child, and being a superhero means saving tons of lives, you are clearly not ready for the mental and physical toll this will take on you. Buddy: HOW DARE YOU!

[@PMbarbieri]

Fan dumb: "Buddy was too young and eager to become Mr. Incredible's sidekick and almost got himself killed, while Bob didn't want to endanger him on top of not wanting an annoying fan as a sidekick he never asked for. That means the movie's message is that you can't be a hero if you don't have superpowers."

[@DiamondKingStudios]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@PMbarbieriHonestly, in that universe, no one really should be. Why would anyone go out of their way to try to be a superhero when there are many people born with that predisposition by being the fortunate recipients of their abilities, and who, understanding the power they possess and the impact it can have on others and the world around them, almost all tend to use their powers responsibly (none of the villains seem to possess any of the same supernatural powers and they all operate either as regular criminals or with advanced technology)? As much as I really like _The Incredibles_ for the writing and presentation, the implications of this foundational world building system present some troubling implications upon later view. I could be sympathetic towards Buddy for desiring the same abilities as his former heroes but being bound to the laws of nature, but when it comes to any film/television/book universe where a fraction of the population has inherent supernatural powers, I just accept that that is the reality, and doubt that in such a world there could ever be any real egalitarianism. Under that view, Buddy is merely a jealous egotist who years for things he cannot have and should not expect to have. And I think it is hubris that he might try to become a superhero, as he wasn’t born to be one.

[@PMbarbieri]

​@@DiamondKingStudios I never thought that Buddy didn't deserve to become a superhero. In fact, I dare to say Buddy had the potential to become a great hero thanks to his intelligence and knowledge of technology, but decided to become the very antithesis of that purely out of spite: he wasn't even corrupted by power or anything, he was just REALLY pissed at someone. The thing is that supers are quite complicated in this universe: the NSA provides them with a secret identity and equipment, and even hides them when they are banned, so they technically serve the same function as special agents. This may also explain why there are no powered supervillains: the government would probably have any super who steps out of line killed. However, some supers in this universe have used technology to cover their own weaknesses: Dynaguy, for example, could only fly thanks to his rocket gloves. Buddy himself says not all supers have powers, which is something that is frequently ignored when analyzing the supposed negative message. Buddy's fault was not that he tried to be something he was never meant to be, but that he was doing it for the wrong reasons. All the things people think he was right about are his own delusion that neither Bob nor the movie itself ever confirm: HE thinks people don't want him to be a hero, when the harsh reality is just that he's being an annoying kid to a person who is just doing his job. It's the equivalent of thinking society doesn't want you to be a singer because you bothered the hell out of Taylor Swift and she had you kicked off the backstage that you entered uninvited.

[@Meandmyshadowclones]

@PMbarbieri to be honest, Syndrome could have been prevented. It kind of goes into the lesson Bob learns about pushing people away. If he hadn't immediately dismissed Buddy out of hand and recognized that while he was overeager and inexperienced, he had real talent. He didn' need to immediately make him his sidekick, but simply by encouraging him to continue to hone his talents and maybe he could have made a good hero someday. That little bit of encouragement from his idol could have kept him from going down the wrong path.

[@PMbarbieri]

@@Meandmyshadowclones Oh, of course, but you can’t really be mad at Bob when considering the situation: he just saved a suicidal person and was dealing with a criminal when he got interrupted by a reckless child. He also was very calm when he talked with Buddy, and only yelled at him when it became clear he still didn’t understand what the problem was. In hindsight he could have done better, but heat of the moment and all that stuff. It works with the theme of the movie that supers are fallible people too, no matter how powerful they are. And Buddy was still a sociopath in the making, so there’s the unfortunate chance he would still pester Bob to his breaking point.

[@EPPicstuff]

In incredibles 3, we NEED a SUPER-POWERED SUPER VILLAIN. If they give is ANOTHER TECH GENIUS with NO POWERS, I'M GONNA LOSE IT! 😂

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Nah, we need the pizza guy to return and reveal he was the true villain all along

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

You're not wrong, but I would like to argue that Syndrome has powers. I'd argue super-genius is a super power, the same way Bob's super-strength is a super power.

[@EPPicstuff]

@@ScrambledAndBenedict Bob can lift trains. Buddy can make tech and come up with deceptive plans. I don't think Syndrome's intelligence is superhuman to the extent that it's comparable to Mr. Incredible's super-strength.

[@Office_chair]

Seriously though my sister has said that that she wants to see a super villain and them fighting another super instead of some human with technology since clearly Evelyn was a disappointment.

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

@@EPPicstuff I think it is, because his genius is so leaps and bounds above regular genius. He was building self-contained flight systems that fit into his boots as a child, in what appeared to be 70's. It even beats out the tech of people like Edna Mode and entire government services like the NSA. The difference between his genius and the kind of intelligence a normal person could have in that world is the same as the difference between Bob's strength and the kind of physical strength a normal person could have. His genius can actually do more impressive feats than a lot of the actual supers in that world: as Syndrome he essentially has the combined powers of about a dozen or so of the supers in that world. It's something he was inherently born with, that's massively above and different than what normal people can do, that he's honed with practice: to me that is definitively a super power.

[@ckm5702]

Incredibles 2 was supposed to come out in 2019 but lost a whole year of production because it was further along in development than toy story 4 so they relase years were switched. So not only did toy story 4 sour the toy story franchise but potentially killed momentum for an incredibles franchise which should have been the easiest win especially at the height of super hero hype Less important but 2019 would have been the 15 year anniversary of the first film so we were also robbed of being able to quote syndrome "too late, 15 years too late"

[@teentraveler1790]

NOOOO! YOU'RE RIGHT! THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A GREAT REFERENCE!

[@firepawx3779]

I hate Toy Story 4 even more now

[@Aego384]

​@@firepawx3779The number 4 is unlucky in East Asian countries, and perhaps they're not wrong.

[@bluefiremarkii]

first Incredibles: the heroes are just people, they can be anyone. this movie: lots of the superheroes are obviously obvious heroes that can't hide who they are because they're abnormal proportions, or completely non-human looking.

[@justinjakeashton]

I mean, Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl don't quite look realistic either.

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@justinjakeashton they do. They're human. Elastigirl is literally a normal human till she stretches. Bob is just a bit big but that's fairly normal too.

[@justinjakeashton]

@@bluefiremarkii Bob is so huge he almost doesn't even fit in his office cubicle.

[@bluefiremarkii]

@@justinjakeashton sure but he's just a little big. Other heroes there were big but also inhuman like bigger than Bob, a literal owl, etc. Bob is big but not overly big like the other 2.

[@rossychavez6622]

Portal Girl looks pretty like a regular Girl to me

[@Nebulasecura]

Yeah I feel like Disney interfered way too much on the production of this movie and didn't let Brad cook. The movie even lost an entire year of production time

[@Flutter_Aeina]

This “super genius” didn’t think to add a STRAP to the mask that could easily fall off??!?!?

[@azazellon]

She's not very bright. Maybe why her giant blinding boxes of patterns are a thing. Plus, fuck epileptics I guess 😶 seizure: the movie

[@trinket_lover]

Seriously! She based her whole plan on a pair of ill-fitting sunglasses

[@BrotherCaptain36]

Yeah, but then they would look lame, priorities.

[@LightBloxVidsYT]

The potential for her to be a great villain was through the roof. Such a shame she turned out the way she did.

[@AarnaAmbardar-n5d]

I lIKE THIS MOVIE SURE I AM NOT A CRITIC BUT IT IS FUN TO WATCH AS A FAMILIY

[@jesustovar2549]

I think Screenslaver could have worked as a villain of it's own, if it stayed that way.

[@user-op8ge3kq6s]

@@AarnaAmbardar-n5d im also no critic but the movie was trash compared to the first one

[@jesustovar2549]

​@@AarnaAmbardar-n5dWell I did not hate it either, I loved it when it came out, I have rewatched it several times, I don't think it's bad, but they clearly needed more time to develop it.

[@chingma8064]

I actually think her motivation made sense on paper, but not in execution

[@UltraVioletKnight]

The fact that Evelyn helps the heroes makes me think of a plot where that was intentional, she's creating disasters for the heroes to fix so they'd be legalized, and Helen realizes her public support is based on lies

[@mupty]

Now THAT would have been a good villain arch.

[@aromaladyellie]

Evilyn should have just been a super herself imo. One who felt passed over by her father because her powers weren’t useful at the time. That would explain how she was able to control people- it was her superpower. The twist should have been that she had tech-based superpowers, not that she was Screenslaver. How she was doing it should have been the focus, not who she was. Her hatred would then be similar to Gwen from Sky High- hatred for those whose powers are deemed “useful” compared to hers. Not make it about tech. Her plan should have had nothing to do with making them illegal or whatever; they already were. Idk. God. This movie is so bad But mostly? I think a second tech villain is a bad choice??

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

The first film already had two tech based villains Syndrome and the Undrminer, so Evilyn should've been a villain with mind control super powers instead of technology that makes no logical sense, and it breaks the world it's set up in.

[@X3nophiliac]

love the Sky High reference! yeah that wouldve been a great idea!

[@tomlinson1710]

Honestly, if it was just the pizza guy all along, it’d probably make the movie a whole lot better

[@Virtualblueart]

Like him being a disgruntled genius fired by the hero hating sister for obsessing over superheroes. And then hatching a plot to show the world needs supers by becoming the villain to show why normal police cant solve everything.

[@Face2East]

This is the one thing my sone and I keep going back to, as well as 'Why couldn't they make more use of The Underminer later on?'

[@Vherstinae]

@@Virtualblueart That would genuinely be brilliant. "The world is so much worse than we like to pretend. People shut themselves away in their little bubbles, reading the statistics of tragedies, cluck their tongues and shake their heads while ignoring the actual lives lost. We have people who could fix this, or at least help, and you people want them stopped because, what, you're jealous? You're upset when the destruction comes to your hometown instead of a quake in the Congo? No, I'll show them personally why supers are needed. I'll make them all see..."

[@Nic_2751]

Oh boy, here we go folks, the biggest villain downgrade in history…..

[@Craftomon360]

Me: "Put the superhero phones IN the bunker!"

[@MrTragedious986]

Yeah Evelyn is pretty boring in terms of any Pixar villains, like she is an inferior to Syndrome, since Incredibles 3 is in early development I hope they made a better villain. Come to think about it, this movie does feel like a first draft since most of the stuff is rehashed from the first movie, and what’s worse they lost like one year development because Toy Story 4 took that release date, that’s why it felt rushed.

[@Cakeslicer777]

What would make her really interesting but it was underutilized was her relationship with her brother, pretty much has opposite ideals and they did nothing about it

[@zechariahdsiler]

Brad Bird said that they would only make a second if they had the perfect script. I strongly believe they (Disney) forced him to make this for money from brand recognition and to push further an agenda.

[@therussianwanderer4851]

And for the loss of money on his project, Tomorrowland.

[@calebsheppard2643]

what agenda

[@erroroccurred404]

I really loved Helen’s encounter with the Screenslaver, it’s a shame we got less of that and more of this.

[@ajerjavec4723]

Yeah, she’s basically what happens when you give a genius with issues alcohol and most of the scenes she’s in. She’s kind of drunk. I wouldn’t be surprised if her whole plan came up in a drunken hazed and she still going onto it because she still partially drunk.

[@ElodieHiras]

Someone else gets it. I actually love her as a villain because I've actually met others like her. She's a drunk with a nonsensical grudge, an inferiority compex (she's bitter at not being as smooth an operator as her brother, it *shows* ), drunken outbursts that were tolerated and enabled, and it predictably spiraled out of control and everybody is like "who could have predicted this?". It's a story I've seen over and over. Evelyn just had better toys to cause more devastation *AND* had people actually opposing her.

[@HokutoShinkento]

@@ElodieHiras shes literally just a bland and lame karen femcel, only other femcels would like it, as souless and corporate it may as well them trying to please some executive by putting her in the movie

[@volvoman5262]

Incredibles 1: one of the best Pixar villians ever Incredibles 2: one of the worst Pixar villians ever Sooo how will Incredibles 3 end up?

[@deleetiusproductions3497]

one of the most mid pixar villains ever

[@WuOJotTeEkaProjects]

One of the Pixar villains ever

[@rigboy1234]

Villain that just covers the things that are considered enough for a functional villain

[@mcrain1283]

one of the realest pixar villains ever

[@eva1585]

@@mcrain1283 Executives

[@A.B.-ub9un]

This movie basically suggests that we should be okay with blindly consuming propaganda without a second thought and let corporations do whatever they want because they're "the good guys"

[@archinspide2652]

Disney moment

[@board-qu9iu]

Kind of curious were you got this from? Don’t remember

[@A.B.-ub9un]

@@board-qu9iu It's the speech that the Screenslavor speaks on TV, talking about how people are too reliant on technology and media and how people are just blindly consuming it.

[@spencerowensrichey]

Biiiiiiiig fucking mask-off moment from Disney lol.

[@Vherstinae]

@@A.B.-ub9un Yep, if it was meant to be a "villain has a point" moment, the rest of Evelyn's plans were such nonsense that it comes off as purposely telling the audience to blindly obey.

[@PrimmsHoodCinema]

A rogue superhero with some dope ass powers, that could have been the villain. It's weird we never see any superpowered villains in this universe. All the supers just choose to be good for some reason.

[@spongecakes1986]

Jenny Nicholson has a great video on the themes of Brad Bird movies where she points out that this is a bit of a trend with him. The super exceptional people are always the good guys, and the villains are usually someone who isn't inherently exceptional. It also has a great joke with a Remy plush that my sibling and I love to quote

[@madisonyomans9004]

honestly, that would’ve been a perfect villain for this movie a former hero, whose became bitter about going into hiding and want to take his revenge on society for outlaw superheroes, cause you cannot tell me there wasn’t a group of people being like hey we have powers were stronger than humans. Why don’t we just take over the world in justice style makes sense.

[@ls190v2]

Just... sad. Incredibles 1 was, to put it bluntly, incredible.

[@gabrielabermejo9446]

I remember articles about Pixar saying they were releasing this movie more than ten years after the first because it was going to be one of their best films ever made and those things take time, so it was extra dissapointing seeing an OK movie with a villain that not only makes no sense but is heavily overshadowed by the greatness of the villain in the first Incredibles movie

[@twinzzlers]

The only reason I didn't expect Evelyn to be the villain was because I thought they were going to have her brother be the twist villain

[@jontaehall2740]

That would be a... choice , but I guess if you make the brother the twist villain instead, it would pretty much be a Syndrone 2.0 situation with Helen instead of Bob

[@The_Azure_]

I think you're right on just about everything, except the argument made against her tech at 3:56. In a superpowered world, hypnotism always works with a just few words at most. It's not like Evelyn needs to micromanage a controlled hero and be at her computer 24/7. Instead just having something simple like "kidnap Elastigirl's family" or "fight any intruders" or "protect my diabolical plans" would be the only words needed and could be recorded and repeated far ahead of time.

[@malikpierre-louis3343]

A vilain with hypnotic powers sounds so cool but they ruined it.

[@Attmay]

She is literally Hypnotoad in human form.

[@ThatWackyWaffle]

@@AttmayALL GLORY TO THE HYPNOTOADD…

[@tomlinson1710]

Congratulations, Miles Axelrod. You’re not the dumbest Pixar villain

[@armania_9064]

No he is, just nobody remembers him. Hell neither did I until you mentioned them.

[@tomlinson1710]

@@armania_9064yeah. He’s dumb. I won’t deny that

[@austinmanriquez4785]

Wait, what Pixar movie was he from again? Is it cars? I'm going to say cars

[@MrTragedious986]

@@austinmanriquez4785 Cars 2.

[@austinmanriquez4785]

@@MrTragedious986 oh, no wonder I didn't remember him

[@jjb1908]

A movie that people begged Pixar for years to release. It finally came out and now no one talks about it

[@jadelan9549]

And the only time people do is when they’re pointing out how dumb the villain is

[@jjb1908]

@@jadelan9549 still not as bad as the Lightyear villain

[@jadelan9549]

@@jjb1908 oh i legitimately forgot about that movie but yea the villain was so stupid 😭

[@BlackCroft666]

They should have made their game that released after the first movie adapted instead of that soulless sequel.

[@deltamachine343]

​@@jjb1908 Man I really wanted Zurg to be Buzz's father. 😭

[@juanca2567]

1. I was wrong, my first guess in the community tab was right. It was dedicated to Evelyn. Dang it. 2. Villains like Evelyn have a problem I personally call the “background intelligent” syndrome. Basically a Mastermind villain who is incompetent in the spotlight. This only works when it’s a parody of being smart (Dr. Doofensmirtz, Professor Poopypants, Dr. Hamsterveil, etc.), because it’s the punchline, so obviously when it’s taken seriously, of course then it sounds stupid. Most twist villains have this problem like Bellwether and Miles Axelrod. Two non-twist villain examples are 1. Team Rocket (in the games), as they took over an entire building one time, but it becomes less believable when the Rocket boss was already defeated one time (meaning they should’ve had one battle with Giovanni rather than three to properly feel the stakes until the satisfying final showdown), and 2. The Horned King, as he managed to get an entire army, and yet he makes to many mistakes in the early parts of The Black Cauldron to feel like a threat. An example of this with a minion is Dr. Fry from Chicken Run 2, a scientist who invented extreme security and a hypnosis collar, yet he is easily outwitted in the events of the movie. It’s like making a genuinely smart villain is impossible to maintain a movie or a game, with only TV shows having more wiggle room for not having to focus on the main villain and can focus on minions or side problems (Fire Nation, The Foot Clan 2012, and most Power Ranger villains).

[@MagicShinx]

I ain’t readin’ all that

[@GelXeravanaVera]

​@MagicShinxthen why you here tho just scroll ffs 😐

[@williehampton3855]

Guess it's no surprise that Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse beat this film out for the Oscar the same year it came out. I still like this film but Spider-Verse did everything that this movie wish it did. That being having a badass villain in the form of Kingpin, whose physical presence and sinister motivations literally towers over Screenslaver's so-called plans.

[@NicoAnimation]

Just realized at 3:05 that the 2 dweeb cops probably would've made much better villains. They are already shown to dislike supers because 1) they cause way more damage, and 2) maybe they also feel that supers take jobs/opportunities away from the police.. Which is already smarter writing because we can see their point of view, they're not necessarily wrong for feeling that way. So eventually the cops hear that supers are in talks with the Deavors to make supers legal again, which they do NOT like, and they resort to becoming/creating a supervillain (Screenslaver) to sabotage the legalizing summit and keep supers illegal. Would've definitely made more sense than what we got

[@Grane1234]

And none of the heroes thought of just... closing their eyes and waiting for a moment to take the goggles off?

[@medrawanimate]

I really feel screenslaver was as interesting as a screensaver

[@AFishInPajamas]

That's an insult to screensavers. At least they're made to be eye-catching; screenslaver ain't catching nothing.

[@DILLPICKLEZZ23]

Oh gottem

[@AssaultRider555]

Bars

[@fawful7457]

How the hell did we come from Syndrome to this in the SEQUEL of all things? Like her monologue toward Elastigirl in that cold room was really dumb because didn't the first movie make fun of monologuing? Another glaring issue I have with Incredibles 2 is that how the hell does the par family not know that Jack Jack has powers? Like they could've clearly seen the struggle Syndrome had with him in the first film. Also, regressing Bob Parr's character into being an ass to his family was also a really piss poor move on Brad Bird's part. The only new character that was good in Incredibles 2 was Winston Devor, but that's because he's Saul Goodman. Even Finding Dory (Which I still have several issues with) is a better sequel than Incredibles 2 since at least it had some emotional impact (I.E. Dory's panic attack and the long line of shells leading to her Parents home in the sea) and it's a hopeful film toward people with disabilities. At least with something like Inside Out 2, we got a non-Toy Story sequel where Inside Out 2 is in my opinion superior to it's predecessor. As for Incredibles 3, they might turn Jack Jack into a sort of Gary Stu character which I am worried about. Last thing to mention is that my cousin brought up a great point on how they could've made Incredibles 2 better where it's not JUST Elastigirl doing the hero work, but Elastigirl AND Frozone working together. THAT would've elevated the film higher!

[@lXedalinl]

1:05 NO. as a dad joke enthusiast, no mention of the play on the word "screen Saver" cmon!!! But maybe it's because im old and people dont use screen savers anymore.

[@Max_blast_1T_volts]

She could’ve at least made different designs for the masks

[@deltamachine343]

People in this movie: wait those masks, they didn't wear them before... And the way they speak, so robot like... Yeah they're absolutely not under mind control.

[@jeremiahnapier2516]

12:41 The funny thing is that after this movie they've released a Lego-themed videogame with both films in it. And there she was monologuing in her lab inside the Dev-ship with Elastigirl, (and already captured Frozone and Bob) with them standing behind her with working goggles - that way it's actually way later then in the movie and making more direct approach to the audience than Supers. Also her revealing scene and defeat are made more comedic like the villain she is - ineffectual sympathetic.

[@CatastrophicConundrum]

Villain: “I’m going to bring back heroes, and then ban them….AGAIN.” *insert gasp*

[@Karson-Duh-Fox]

We all can agree that Professors Z is a way better villian for so many reasons

[@GRogers4097]

6:52. Actually, Screenslaver’s reveal taught Helen that while she is capable of doing so many amazing things and is loved and admired by many, that doesn’t mean she can count on everyone. She counted on Evelyn and that turned out to be a big mistake, because realistically she barely even knew her. But by the end of the film, Helen realized that the people she could always count on was her family since they would always be there to get them out of trouble. In short, the family learned that they had to be more careful of who they trusted while protecting the world as superheroes.

[@HokutoShinkento]

thats a nonsense nothing message, unfit to the previous movie or her previous character, like its written cynically by an ai who got fed only commitee decided movies

[@GRogers4097]

@@HokutoShinkentoI don’t understand. Why is that such a bad message? Is it not important for superheroes to know who to trust and who not to trust? Because it certainly should be

[@swirlystrawstudios5465]

One thing i will say, as much as hypnotism is farfetched to underrstand you can tell, Evelyn knew what she was doing when desiging the goggles, like in the "screenslavers" hideout, theres literal evidence of equipment on human anatomy and hypnostism

[@GymLeaderJasmine]

Think what disappointed me most about her is how she’s just an average person who’s bitter against supers, but she isn’t as over the top or charismatic as Syndrome was, so she failed to meet the bar set in terms of memorability.

[@VulpisFoxfire]

I'm reminded of the line from Megamind..."Oh, you're a villain, just not a super one."

[@olleselin]

Yeah, they really made what could've been an interesting villain very dirty

[@BlazingCyberKnight95]

Imagine hating superheroes just because they couldn’t save their parents for being killed. That would be like hating video games because your friend is better and luckier than you.

[@dejmira]

No, it's hating the firefighters because your house caught on fire and your parents went to the furthest room possible, away from any entrance (door, window) and then dying because firefighters couldn't reach them on time

[@noorbohamad5796]

⁠@@dejmiraso there’s fire literally everywhere perhaps especially every single entrance exit door window also I think your comment pretty much SCREAMS VICTIM BLAMING

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

Are you suggesting Evelyn is a stereotypical Gamergater? 😂

[@juicebox7372]

​@noorbohamad5796 Wtf is your problem they didn't say that the house was on the cusp of burning down they said that it caught on fire (as in there is something in the house that is on fire )like stop trying to find a reason to be upset and actually deal with whatever feelings made you think this overly emotional comment was a good idea

[@ElodieHiras]

Considering she's pretty openly resenting her brother because she's jealous of how much of a smooth operator he is, I think she just latched on the first excuse she found to deny she was just plain jealous of supers.

[@Edgar-pr6dy]

Edna mode is still good though. I love her aggressive comments.

[@enterusername6953]

A villain that has this motivation but done way better is Vandal Savage from Young Justice. He despised the whole concept of the Justice League. Since he a caveman who lived for 60,000 years, he hated how superheroes save people as he believes this prevents humans from evolving and bettering themselves. He believes Earth should be the primary ruler of the world and him seeing humans be reliant on superheroes offended him. His motivations and reasonings make way more sense than the Screensaver.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

Vandal Savage is also the very first meta-human in DC universe, but you're right Vandal Savage is everything Disney tried to do with Screenslaver, but he was done objectively better.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hrSUBJECTIVELY

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Si ojalá el sea "Thanos" del gunnverse

[@SprainedSentinel]

Ok, while I have the time, I may be the only one here who might actually have some amount of legit faith in Incredibles 3. I’ve said before, and I will happily say it again here, if they just take Incredibles 3 in the same direction as Cars 3 (I.E. completely ignoring the existence of the second film), play out a different version of the skirmish with The Underminer, and fast forward like 15-20 years later, then BAM! Just like that, you have the perfect framework to write something potentially golden for Pixar sequel standards, especially nowadays considering how critically well Inside Out 2 performed.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

I prefer if Incredibles 3 don't completely ignoring the existence of the second film since it does show supers become legal again which is important and the Parr family remain the same age when the third film starts at either a few months since the first sequel's ending or a year since it which ever comes first. That would be time enough.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967 , the third film should keep the superheroes legal from the first film, but completely erases everything about the second film, and pretended that the second film never happened like Cars 3.

[@emblemblade9245]

People need to get over The Underminer. He wasn’t a sequel hook, he was just a way to show in the ending of the first movie that the Parrs were fighting as a super family instead of Bob being alone as a super.

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@emblemblade9245 , there's a mole man villain in the Fantastic Four comics, so Incredibles 2 should've focused on how irresponsible technology is just as dangerous as superheroes instead of a villain that had horrible reasons to be a villain, and she also fails at being a villain compared to Syndrome.

[@Ocarina654]

@@emblemblade9245 Yeah. Perfect fodder for a tie-in game (which they did make), or a spin-off cartoon show. Was not supposed to be the second movie, unless they actually made THAT the second movie. Like instead of just being a silly opening, the movie should have been more about something re: using natural resources, the forgotten or downtrodden in society, stratification of social roles, like supers not being "better" people just because they're more powerful (which would work as playing off some of themes of the first movie). Like, if you're gonna use him, USE HIM. Make it MEAN SOMETHING. When Incredibles 2 opened there exactly where we left off in 1 I was a little surprised, but then when it ultimately was just a lead-in and had nothing to do with the rest of the movie I was baffled.

[@tarantaran533]

All of the blood from that supposed to go to their brain went somewhere else while they were making this movie.

[@SubPriestPepsi]

2:33 I don't believe this is a correct usage of the term Ludonarrative Dissonance, but it's pretty clear what you're talking about regardless. The term is used exclusively for videogames, where Ludo comes from ludos, which is latin for game, and was turned into ludology, the study of games. I'm sure there's a different term for the situation here, but I'm not sure what it is.

[@SharewareWizard]

guh, thanks, I came to post this. It'd probably just be "narrative dissonance"

[@temtempo13]

Yeah, "ludonarrative dissonance" is when the feeling of the mechanics of a game don't match the feeling of the narrative. If you're playing a game with a dark and hopeless theme, but the mechanics give you a delightful amount of agency and creative freedom, you have ludonarrative dissonance. If you're playing a game where you're supposed to be the world's greatest and most powerful superhero, but find yourself constantly struggling against random goons, that's ludonarrative dissonance. Not sure what you'd call this. It's dissonance of some kind. It feels like a failure of worldbuilding, where an element of the worldbuilding ("superheroes are so feared by the general public that they've been outlawed!!") doesn't have the consequences it should (everyone they actually interact seems fine with superheroes). It's not an outright contradiction (superheroes being unpopular in general doesn't mean every single person needs to hate or fear them), but there's a mismatch between what the worldbuilding implies about how the world should work and how the world actually works.

[@meanyapickles]

I was like "haha Incredibles 3? I sure hope not" What do you MEAN _"The announcement"_ ?????

[@isabellafrigoli842]

You really make some great points. It’s a shame that this movie didn’t do more to explore the world of The Incredibles. The first movie was good, full of themes and messages; a rare gem where the older you get the deeper the movie becomes. Too bad the sequel doesn’t live up to it. Thanks for the great video!!

[@neddles33]

its a little thing, but the "ludo" in ludonarrative means games, the term being gameplay at odds with narrative. I think this is just bog standard narrative dissonance

[@Bashuraptor]

The worst part is that the Screen Slaver alone is a cool concept. The idea that a villain has no true origin and is physically carried on by innocent bystanders is really cool. The idea that so long as there are people who agree with his ideology, he can never truly be defeated. He both does and doesn't exist. But nope, it had to be a stupid twist villain.

[@lasercraft32]

I hate how Winston was supposed to be a "red herring" to make us think he was the villain, despite Evelyn being so painfully telegraphed as the villain the whole time. It would have been more of a twist to have Winston ACTUALLY be the Screen Slaver instead of Evelyn. Then it would have actually felt _somewhat_ clever.

[@DavidBContentExtravaganza3967]

There are several hints about Evelyn's true nature before it is in fact revealed, including: If one pronounces Evelyn's full name slightly differently, it sounds like "evil endeavor". While Winston states their father would still be alive had supers been legal, Evelyn briefly says their father could have gotten to the safe room. It is implied they have argued on this repeatedly. A few moments before her true nature is revealed, after Helen says that defeating the Screenslaver was easy, she replies "That was easy? Wow!", with the "wow" being said inside her wine glass, producing an echoing effect similar to the Screenslaver's computer voice. Yet another interesting foreshadowing that she is the villain is her quote "Ah shucks, I'm just the genius behind the genius.". In scenes where they are together, Winston is in the light, and Evelyn is in the shadow.

[@Linus-j4f]

I remember seeing this in the theaters as a kid. When it was done, I just felt… empty.

[@TVTIME-be8ze]

When I watched it, I actually enjoyed it. But I do get that feeling, and I got that exact feeling with Despicable Me 4 to be honest.

[@WolfTrot]

​@@TVTIME-be8ze and thats why i refuse to watch despicable me 4, moana 2, and toy story 5

[@FarahA27]

Me too! While watching this sequel on Netflix, I couldn't help but think, "Ugh, when is this over?" Whereas with the first movie, I can watch it repeatedly. But not with this sequel.

[@caselleknoxiv589]

I theater hopped Solo after this and for all the crap that movie got it was better than this.

[@williamstark9568]

It's a huge pity because mind control is one of the fun powers to give villains. I especially love pitting allies against each other. Too bad this one didn't make no sense.

[@masonbutler8908]

We respect the FE4 music choice in the video

[@fluffywhompus]

I genuinely thought for years that incredibles2 had a different director and that was why it was so bad, it dosent feel like a movie from the same director

[@zalybrainlessgenius503]

Not different director, but different creative times.

[@fanofyoshi2238]

You guys all owe an apology to the Lemons, Zundapp AND Axelrod from Cars 2. Yes, all of you! NO EXCEPTION!

[@Yellowguy0619]

But I didn't even say anything bad about them I'll do it if you apologize to Sykes

[@fanofyoshi2238]

@@Yellowguy0619 Sykes from Shark Tale? In that case, i never said anything bad about him.

[@Yellowguy0619]

@@fanofyoshi2238 Nope, Sykes from Oliver and Company

[@fanofyoshi2238]

@@Yellowguy0619 In that case, i never said anything about him either.

[@Yellowguy0619]

@@fanofyoshi2238 oh... uhh...

[@sw-gs]

Her name is so obvious. Evelyn = Evil Lyn

[@_V.Va_]

Good job missing the pun.

[@evelynbrocious]

That's not how my name is pronounced

[@wespauls9020]

I despise this movie lol. 15 years of waiting for what is arguably the only Pixar sequel that was justified and warranted, and this is it. This is the villain we get, a boring, narcoleptic alcoholic who hates supers because her parents were afflicted with the big stupid. Thanks Disney, I can't wait for the Incredibles 3 where the villain is a sentient pet rock who hates humans for keeping it in a cage its whole life.

[@gaidencastro9706]

Here's my take: - "Society has become complacent" is interesting on paper, but that's very loosely tied to the incredibles themselves. - People in the movie haven't been shown to lose competence due to heroes or tech, except with Evalynn's father. He admittedly should have at least some backup phones in the safehouse, but that doesn't tie to Evalynn's moral compass too well. - Up until the scene where Evalynn is revealed to be the villain, I actually found Screenslaver pretty intimidating. But I do understand that the weirdness of the tech makes her much less intimidating than she could be, as well as how no one recognized the goggles. - She does engage in some tomfoolery with Elastagirl on the plane, but it's ultimately not very personal. I'm not entirely sure how to fix it outside of overhauling her entire moral compass.

[@ElodieHiras]

Honestly I found Evelyn more intimidating then the Screenslaver. She's a drunk who's jealous of someone who has a talent she doesn't have (her brother is a smooth operator, and, presumably, the supers for their powers), whose drunken outbursts were tolerated and enabled, and when they spiraled out of control, everyone was shocked. It's a story I've seen dozens of times, and even was caught in a few times.

[@swirlystrawstudios5465]

As much as i had fun with everything else in the film, the only thing i liked about evelyn, was that i already knew it was her, and i was right, and i mean before watching the film when it came out

[@_V.Va_]

She ruins the film for me. Because when you can't get behind a villain's motivation, why should you care? It's the Supers' fault they couldn't get to the danger they didn't know existed? Weak ass writing.

[@noorbohamad5796]

Apparently the superheroes just don’t really have the super ability to just know EVERYTHING

[@r4ts311]

personally its the other supers that ruin the film for me. They have such... weird, nonsensical designs...

[@emblemblade9245]

@@r4ts311Yeah they’re really not great

[@emblemblade9245]

To be clear, the whole idea is that Evelyn hated supers because her parents’ overreliance on them got them killed. It WASN’T the fault of supers, but of course someone traumatized by grief wouldn’t be able to admit that. She needed therapy

[@_V.Va_]

@@emblemblade9245 I understand that, but it's still a weak motivation, especially in comparison to what came before, and her stupid plan shouldn't have been able to go as far as it did.

[@Yourfat247]

The only thing I know about the hypnotism is that the movie clearly shows you can only be hypnotised when looking at the screen. But she can just shake her brother out of it, elastagirl can’t.

[@clarekent4110]

8:38 Actually why she hates them is because her dad was so obsessed with them he chose to call them when in immediate danger instead of going to the safe room he had - not necessarily because they failed to save him but because she has an issue with people putting hope in things (technology, superheroes) over more logical solutions.

[@bengale9977]

Yeah it's pretty bad reasoning anyway. I mean if he had been killed phoning the police would she have tried to abolish them too?

[@marcuscarana9240]

0:23 To be fair. Violet was just doing the logical approach to the trolly problem.

[@diesakuma367]

Oh boy screenslaver Probably the worst twist villain I have ever seen If you exclude evelyn, the villain was actually good Like evelyn motive and etc is contradictory to the ridiculous degree What I would love if screenslaver teamed up with underminer and then he would be betrayed(not in a very obvious way) to make screenslaver as a even stronger threat but oh well We got what we got

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I just got back from watching a video discussing Disney Fatigue. And here I am, watching a Disney video. Coincidence… I think not.

[@-obamium5320]

In what way does the villain personally relate to any of the members of the family, all she really is just a generic character they have to fight

[@Rockotarthepurplehatguy]

Yeah, it's part of why her "points" on society feel flat, because they have no connection to the main cast and their issues, unlike Syndrome who served to show Bob the error of his selfishness and make him reflect on who he is.

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@Rockotarthepurplehatguy you mean syndrome PROJECTED HIS OWN selfishness ONTO Mr Incredible it’s because of SYNDROME that superheroes were made illegal

[@noorbohamad5796]

@@Rockotarthepurplehatguylet me guess the main cast were and still are part of society

[@ElodieHiras]

She's a drunkard with a misdirected grudge and a massive inferiority complex, whose drunken outbursts were enabled for too long and therefore spiraled down, and the Supers caught the tail end of that since that's whom her drunken grudge was directed against. I've met dozens of people like that, but none with her technical prowess.

[@dudical111]

Here from your "best villain" videos featuring Syndrome and Lotso. I loved those villains so much and kinda liked Screenslaver, so when I saw this, I was very sad because I'm sure you're right, lol. I will now watch and see what you have to say. Edit: I've written probably over 300 words breaking down what you have to say so I give up. You have good points she don't work, the movie is bad but I don't think it's a bad as you say. I would write way more detail but.... I give up LOL

[@themanwiththeplan676]

The Incredibles 2 is truly Pixar's Wreck-it Ralph 2.

[@ShadowLinkxMaster]

It also bothered me that Evelyn looked too much like Roxanne from Megamind.

[@frostlord1246]

The Incredibles is one of the few Pixar movies that had potential for a sequel and they completely ruined it. This film along with Toy Story 4 are two of the worst movies in the Pixar library as a result.

[@RoninCatholic]

"Brick" is literally named for his archetype. Brick supers are heroes whose powers manifest as strength and durability with little if any extras (aside from accidents of enhanced mobility or required secondary powers to not die from using the super strength) such as The Hulk, The Thing, Groot, Drax, Colossus, Juggernaut...and Mr. Incredible. It's like the name _I_ would give such a character, going out of my way to do so.

[@Edwinaopt]

It was cool to see a analysis and reaction at the same time. Keep up the good work

[@scottiedarko7951]

14:16 Very interesting Elastigirl doesn't just, idk, CLOSE HER EYES when she's about to get screenslavered. Movie over right then and there. Pretend to be hypnotized coz Evelyn wouldnt be able to tell from that distance or with the colored screens if her eyes are closed. Then just remove them and subdue the non-super.

[@allideni836]

2:36 That's just normal narrative dissonance; the Incredibles 2 doesn't have any gameplay to clash with the narrative, and thus is immune to ludonarrative dissonance.

[@SqueakerBunny]

It would make more sense for her to be a fake villain working with her brother to make the heroes look good. She would pretend to be a villain, putting people in danger near superheros so the supers could save the day, and at the end point, it was revealed that it was all her brother's plan since the beggining and she was just following the script. But at the boat, she goes way too far in the play, putting the whole city and the supers in extrene danger. The heroes would defeat her and she and her brother would both be arrested.

[@Hiya8partyz]

At this point any big corporation’s attempts to make “technology bad uwu” is just guaranteed to be bad in some way shape or form lmao

[@poppie267]

If the third movie will have a villain i hope he/she will be on Syndrome level.

[@williamdaviddiazcuchimaque7511]

Me encantaria ver algo tipo lord Shen o Thanos en la película

[@liamphibia]

I hope Disney/Pixar give Brad Bird and his creative team all the freedom they need to craft an 'Incredible' threequal. (🥁)

[@zeevgreen4442]

5:41 I got an ad here 😂

[@Randomchoas6413]

Yeah I am Deadpool’s roommate I can’t see him but lord can I smell him

[@MIMI-bv5gd]

Me too bc i clicked on ur comment

[@Kai-Xi]

can't recall if it was my thoughts during the movie or something I've read since, but an interesting take would have been if the Devor siblings had come up with the Screen Slaver as a tool to help in their goal of making supers legal again. Like you mentioned, all of the SS attacks were near where Elastigirl was and she was made aware of them with ample time to save the day. This would add complexity to the plot as, once the Parrs figured this out, they would have to choose between knowingly endangering citizens (contrary to their motivation to be heroes in the first place) or endangering their chances to help more people in the future by fighting against the people who want to make their heroics allowed.

[@Rockotarthepurplehatguy]

Much better plot idea right there.