Alexander/Hephaistion---Everything

[@Malwen777]

Jared is so beautiful it hurts!

[@ericnfan]

loved when they hugged each other. you could tell their relationship went back such a long way and so many emotions between them. it was a beautiful thing to see.

[@Humanh8ter]

Ahhhhhh I just rewatched this movie. I first saw it when I was only 12 and I don't think I really understood it because upon rewatching it I was like OMG THEY'RE LOVERS???!!!!! YEEEESSSS!!!!!!!! 8D It's so great that the directors chose to depict the romance of the time so realistically and shamelessly so. It was quite popular and normal for men in that age, especially those of higher stature, to have male lovers and female wives/concubines to bear heirs.

[@cathrine2005]

God! It's one of the best videos about Alexander and Hephaistion which I've ever seen! :) Jared Leto's so beautiful and great actor!

[@claudia13031988]

i love jared leto and the movie...great video.... *thumbs up*

[@Sporky86]

I actually sobbed when watching this. I cried like a baby. :'(

[@zedisius]

My god... So beautiful

[@55cabgirl]

its true they were read ur history books dahling! Hephaistion was his second in command, confidante, bestfriend and lifelong lover alexander never recovered he didnt eat for three days or leave from his bed and had him a royal public funeral and named him a deity in macedonia

[@mardisaurus]

@Sporky86 Dude this movie made me cry so much!!! Alexander and Hephaistion were such an amazing couple, and were so beautiful to one another. I love it when Hephaistion gave him the ring and said "you are my sun" ahh this movie made me cry so much. Twenty minutes after I just watched it; I'm still crying!!!

[@KELLYREAVIS1000]

this is by far the very best vid i have seen of alexander and hephaistion. iv got chills and tears in my eyes, AMAZING:)

[@dinosaurcheeses]

I was actually almost in tears watching this... it's too sad!

[@sasukeswolfgirl]

Oh my gods.....you....you...... You, Waitingxbyxmoonlight, did what i thought was impossible - you found and used in the perfect video, the perfect song for Alexander and Hephaestion. I love it, and i now love u! Oh my, i think u deserve a hug! *HUGS* thank you so, so much!

[@cathleen99]

In book write by Rufus, Quintus Curtius "Historiae Alexandri Magni." its lovely sentence that Bagoas; a eunuch "exceptional in beauty and in the very flower of boyhood, with whom Darius was intimate and with whom Alexander would later be intimate."

[@30STMgIrL4LiFe]

OMG!!! I cried sooo hard....Hephaistion was my fave....well Anything Jared Leto does is good....5 Stars from me....awesome video....like others have said, well worth the wait....thanks

[@ImEarenniel]

wow i cant stop watching this amazing video. thank you so much 4 making this its amazing!!! :D

[@madforje]

Awesome video and the song choice is excellent as well.

[@TeriLynn923]

Beautiful.

[@panther411]

Wow! This video is pure amazing! Even if they weren't lovers, this is a great portrayal of the relationship. 5 stars and faved :)

[@hinguminggu]

I just absolutely love how you did this video. Bravo! It was well done, and I loved every second of it. 5//5 Most definitely.

[@7rippster7]

wow... I'm close to crying. Really beautiful video. Definitely 5 stars and added to favs!!

[@AutumnDreams75]

Beautiful video! I was nearly in tears. Thank you so much for sharing.

[@colinchick69]

Still have my 60 year old Plutarch book from school. Also The Campaign's of Alexander by Arrias is very well written from a military point of view.

[@thtb4ever]

i love this video!!!! it's great!!!! congrats!!!

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

Please let's not get into this. This video was just made for fun. And really, unless you knew them, there's no way to know for sure what their feelings were. Cultures change and I think I've heard that back in those times, it wasn't considered all that strange for men to be very close. Apparently there were some things that suggested they may have had a romantic/sexual relationship but nothing can be proven for sure.

[@ellinokanados]

@serreosoo8 - thank you for that explanation - when one looking at texts from a certain time period one needs to also look at the meaning of the text for that time to understand and not make assumptions. The original greek word for love (agape) has 5 different strong meanings depending on context, just as you pointed out. A modern example, simple but effective to prove this point is (ironically) the word GAY itself. Up until the early 60's it meant happy or joyous... now it means homosexual..

[@55cabgirl]

Heph was either posioned or either drunk himsel to death, that is what history said on his story

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

@TheEmpress666 I'm not going to deny that he was bisexual, but there really is no way to know. Just because someone has a partner of the opposite sex doesn't mean that they're sexually attracted to them. For someone of his position it was important to produce an heir, which is where the importance of the marriage comes in. Not saying he didn't love her or was also sexually attracted to her, of course...

[@HerondalesAngel]

amazing video i loved it xxxx

[@dozerdraws]

This vid is so amazingly beautiful!!! I cried at some parts X3

[@juleezn]

I love this video &' the song .... sooo beautiful!!! *-*

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

Oh, wow. Thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it so much!

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

Wow, thank you so much! I'm glad you liked it!

[@autumnbluez]

absolutely beautiful. :D

[@dimalex8]

Its easy to understand. Ancient greeks respected, loved and had great admiration for anything beautifull(beautifull not with modern standards but sth that was harmonic), from men or women to buildings. Thats why they competed naked in olympics, cause they believed that human body was not something to hide, especially when they celebrated human body achievments. Ancient greeks always chased perfection(the harmony) in all aspects, spiritually and physically.

[@mrsdimitsa4ever]

SUCH AN AMAZING VID

[@jessh2008]

Just cried. So sad!! :'(

[@sahajad]

@keritink I wish I could get this book from some where ?. From where did you get this book ?. I checked from the Toronto public library but this book is not available. I really want to read it. I have however read the books- Fire from heaven and Persian Boy , both by Mary Renault which also gives a good desciption of Alexander , Hepheastion and Bagoas !

[@Akisa37]

Because of this movie I read historical books about Alexander the Great and there are theories from real historians that Alexander and Hephaistion were indeed lovers. Though we will never know the truth, I like to think that (and it was normal for the era). Anyway I love this movie and the relation depicted. It made me cry a lot. I didn't know Jared Leto was a singer when I watch this but Lord he is beautiful. Did you know that the body of Alexander the Great was lost, it makes me mad.

[@annarytta7]

such beautiful video! 5* I love it =)

[@dandyna87]

ehy, this is GREAT... just speachless!!! good job! provehito in altum p.s. I even cry a little bit :)

[@55cabgirl]

They were bestfreinds and lovers

[@ellinokanados]

@55cabgirl - movies and self-proclaimed experts will tell us that the only reason he married Roxanne was to A) have a child to be his heir, and B) to solidify an alliance with Roxannes father, the king of her people. But Alexander had virtually as many wives as he did cities named after him... he may not have taken them all with him after moving on in his campaign, but then again, Ploutarch says he had one of his officers widow as his mistress (who apparently did go along)

[@FreakSrah]

there are so... sweet :) i love this film

[@powermurmel]

thank you so much.....;)

[@ellinokanados]

@cathleen99 - having a personal opinion is a human right.... but adapting and tweeking historical events or details of them to suite our personal preferences and to make them sound more to our own liking, is tantamount to sacrilege. Strategos is not giving his personal point of view, he is merely pointing out recorded facts to dispute a theory... theories are speculations created to sway a fact to a possibility that suits our own preference... remember what that is tantamount to...? think on it

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

Hi Kelly! Yes, I do remember. What a long time ago...Thanks for saying hi!

[@glop12ggg]

well done ! 5/5

[@Strategos300]

Our three Greek historians (Arrian, Diodorus and Plutarch) never term him erastes or eromenos, only philos or malista timomenos. Alexander himself calls him philalexandros (friend of Alexander). Curtius and Justin use only amicus, never amans. The only implication of a sexual relationship or use of the term eromenos for Hephaistion occurs in late sources or those of dubious authorship.

[@cathleen99]

@ellinokanados You know all historians have their own opinion, for example Peter Green wrote that Hephaistion was Alexander's favorite. I understand that in Oliver's film that relationship was "own creation" but really if you read Rufus or Arrian or Plutarch you can see this. Those fonts are based on Ptolemy and as we know Ptolemy fight with other diadochs for hegemony, what he wrote was not 100% trustworthy. So as prof. Worthington say "we must create Alexander" from that pieces we've got.

[@ellinokanados]

@Nahayu1211 - not entirely true... they didnt have their own families with them (most of them)... but along with their supplies, they had those that prepared their meals (while they were out fighting), and in most cases if they didnt bring a mistress along, they picked one up from the people whose towns they conquered. one needs to think things through a little more.....

[@GaryBookasta]

You've crafted a beautiful video & story; I only wish I'd discovered it earlier. I hope yiou approve of my posting & featuring it on my channel. You've also caused the usual controversy & the homophobes have crawled out of the woodwork. No one studied Alexander - to the extreme that MARY RENAULY did (Even learning ancient Greek!)' and anyone who doubts Alexanders love of Hephaistion must read her trilogy on Phillip & Alexander's time (Especially "THE PERSIAN BOY" - a great classic!).

[@Strategos300]

"You are the most hideous and malign of all men, have you ever seen me involved in such dirty work that you found the urge to flatter me with such hedonistic business?" Bagoas was a male boy like those in this story. Why would Alexander have Bagoas as "lover" when he hate it?

[@ellinokanados]

@Strategos300 - Ploutarch wrote that he (Alexander) was greatly offended by the suggestion that he would appreciate having a beautiful young male sent to him to be his lover... but notice that many of these self-proclaimed experts dont even bother looking at Ploutarch.... what gives?

[@ellinokanados]

@waitingxbyxmoonlight - someone said that the homophobes were coming out of the woodwork defending Alexander is hetero, etc... they are not homophobes... these are people who care about one thing: if you're going to portray a historical event, then present the historical facts and leave the speculation out of it. This movie focuses so much on the speculation and the 'what's-gonna-sell-more' aspect of things, that it diminishes its historical value. that's what started the whole debate about it

[@sorakheart]

@aldonka1668 read the books about them they sure are gay just like patroclo and Aquiles /patroclus and achilles/ =D it was common back then

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

@duangjan2007 I'd say it's mostly historical; I just focused on this particular relationship for the video.

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

I know. I was mostly directing my post at Strategos300. I agree that a person's sexual orientation can say a lot about them, but I just don't think that it should necessarily influence how we judge them.

[@RitaC4]

@waitingxbyxmoonlight In the time, it was normal to have homosexual relations

[@powermurmel]

please can you tell me who is singing this song? maybe i´m stupid but i don´t know this song. PLEASE THX

[@cathleen99]

@ellinokanados oh and I am sorry I wrote "fonts" but I mean fons- from latin origin...mistake XD

[@sahajad]

I think that Jared Leto will always be remembered for this role. He is sort of born to be Hephaestion . Unless of course he decides to act later as Jesus ! I think that his face would suit that role too.

[@ellinokanados]

@sahajad Find and read the Life of Alexander by Ploutarch - very good reading

[@ellinokanados]

it is unfortunate that we live in an era where people's understanding of historic events and cultures comes from a movie directors perspective. When we rely on movies to teach us about history, instead of actually researching the information in the multitudes of dusting reference encyclopedia (which have been well researched... unlike wikipedia), then it is no wonder that people's views have become distorted - we have now begun to believe as fact that which suites our own needs and preferences..

[@ellinokanados]

@waitingxbyxmoonlight - it angers people since there is more evidence to suggest that he was not gay than there is suggesting he was - by time Ploutarch wrote Alexanders biography, homosexuality had become accepted and normal, yet he makes no mention of such about him - if Alexander was indeed gay, there would have been no reason to omit such a fact at that time. Also, Ploutarch goes on to say that he had multiple wives plus a mistress - unfortunately being gay is more popular this day and age

[@ellinokanados]

@MrGBOOK - i would prefer to read the earliest of the bios on Alexander written by Ploutarch - written at a time when homsxlity was prevalent, and would have easily been accepted in his writing, Ploutarch not only fails to mentions the notion, but also narrates him as having multiple wives and a mistress. It seems, as homsxlity has become more accepted, to the point of promotion, certain interpretations have also changed to adapt to the new norms... those contesting the claim are not homophobes

[@nightgathering]

@dimalex8 Exactly, they were such a perfect culture!, we must learn a lot from Greek great men(mainly from their philosophy). Sorry for my english.

[@SarisaT]

OK this made me cry .. is this a ldrama, love movie ??

[@cathleen99]

Ok but then He (Alexander) was hidding because of his father. When he was young his father took both male and female to his bed, and parhaps Alexander didnt want to flaunt his sexuality because he hated be comparison to his father . Beside what Philoxenus wrote was obvious offence. No one could spoke in this manner to his King. That was Open secret that King have a favorite in his bed, but no one could said any word about this.

[@Strategos300]

I was also looking at your "proof". That is interesting, but then look at this: "When Philoxenus, the leader of the seashore, wrote to Alexander that there was a youth in Ionia whose beauty has yet to be seen and asked him in a letter if he (Alexander) would like him (the boy) to be sent over, he (Alexander) responded in a strict and disgusted manner:

[@FTSKkid19]

just curious whats wrong with jareds character????????

[@kissmrule]

i so lvoe this video it so coola nd swet

[@sahajad]

@thebourbonainerte No I think that Hephaestion was bi- too since he also married one of Darius's daughters.

[@sahajad]

Anyway it is a good thing Brad Pitt was not taken for the role of Hapheastion as Oliver Stone had decided earlier. Fortunately Brad turned the role down and Jared got it. Jared is best suited for that role !

[@LuwBren]

It's sad how much poeple seem to hate the gay aspect in this movie. In my opinion that made it just interesting and a little different. Besides they didn't look that bad together, did they? Their love was so tender...

[@aldonka1668]

They were beautiful. This friendship was so strong. Even death weren't spilit up them. My friend is thinking that they were gays. I am allways furious when she says so.... ;/

[@ellinokanados]

@waitingxbyxmoonlight - people fail to grasp that in proper english (spoken many years ago) the term "Intimate companion" had NO sexual meaning whatsoever. Referring to someone as their intimate companion was like calling him (or her) their 'best friend' or 'pal'... someone who you would trust with your most secret of secrets with - jesus had 12 intimate companions... does that mean that he and his apostles were gay? Our vocabulary has changed and not for the better (gay used to mean happy)...

[@cathleen99]

@ellinokanados Hey I wrote that 1 year ago and if we talk about Plutarchos he wrote not an facts but a biography, as he mention on the beginning of his work, so historians are skeptical about his relation. All of our fonts about Alexander are not trustworthy. Now I know that we cannot say about ancient Greeks "bi" or Gay", cause sexuality was so much different then. Those are words from our times. There in ancient times homosexuality was natural, in some twisted way that we cannot understand.

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

I just used Windows Movie Maker for this one.

[@ellinokanados]

unfortunately, most later and modern sources show a lack of understanding of the original texts, and people today, wanting to promote acceptance, prefer to go with that flow rather then bring out the true relation (as in this case). Greek is a complex language: i.e, there are 5 Greek words that are all translated into the 1 English word Love; therefore there is a willful distortion of this story in depicting that emotion, although the original Greek renderings are precise as you have mentioned.

[@cathleen99]

Yea Gimme :D

[@GaryBookasta]

@Strategos300 Where do you find "quotes" of Alexander - you write nonsense! First, the only reference to "eromenos" with Alexander is Bagos (Alexanders "Persian Boy", celebrated in Mary Renault's classic of the same name!). And while all are said to "have loved Alexander" by historians, the only one "Alexander loved" was said to be Hephaistion. Texts reveal the King visited Roxane infrequently and conceived a child only after Hephaistion's death caused a grief stricken/drunken visit to her.

[@cathleen99]

@Strategos300 Personally I have nothing against you. You have right to have your opinion about History, we all have that right, and if you don't like that paring just don't watch all of those AMV's. I like to think that Alexander and Hephaistion were lovers. You have your opinion, I have mine, and I am not support you or against you.

[@waitingxbyxmoonlight]

@aldonka1668 I can't say anything about the real Alexander and Hephaistion's relationship, but this movie does suggest that they had a homosexual relationship. Why does that make you angry?

[@Humanh8ter]

@FTSKkid19 watch the lovie. To tell you would be spoiling the whole thing!!! =O

[@lagolindari]

@aldonka1668 Alexander and Hephaistion were utterly andtotally in love with each other. Various historians of the time point that out. Labels like gays and straight didn't exist at the time, didn't matter. Also, I don't see why the fact that 'they were gay', if you want to classify it like that in a very narrow minded way, would make you angry.

[@cathleen99]

@Strategos300 Hey So You give ME Evidence that they wasnt lovers. (and I am talking real not some "he didnt say that he was his lover"). Its the same question. So dont be so big-headed and just dont watch this if you dont like this.

[@cathleen99]

So we stay at the point we can't say what orientation Alexander was. But He would be a bisexual, so if someone like to think that he had some relationship with Hephaistion then dont argue with them as you with me or with the other "guy" you mention early, and just let it be.

[@Strategos300]

This was in Alexanders Campaign, way later his fathers death. And you are saying "perhaps", you are not sure. Still, the experts say that we cant say that he was bisexual because there is no evidence of such. And the thing you told me about Bagoas. It doesn't say that Bagoas had intimet with Alexander, "and with whom Alexander would later be intimate." It only sais that Bagoas had plannes to have an intimate with Alexander. There is also no evidence that Bagoas and Alexander were lovers.

[@cathleen99]

But that is the same when some people paring random actors with each others. And the point is that bisexualizm in ancient history was as popular as coca-cola in our time. And Alexander The great was a biisexual and this is a evidance about him and Bagoas-persian slave. So if he was a bisexual why dont Hephaistion? He was his closest , dearest friend.

[@Strategos300]

@cathleen99 are you 1 of 10 000 who support me or are against me?

[@steffyswim]

@aldonka1668 WELL SOME HISTORY SHOW THAT IT WAS MORE THAN FRIENDSHIP

[@Humanh8ter]

@FTSKkid19 Watch the movie. If i tell you, itll be spoiling the whole thing!!! =O

[@cathleen99]

Fine! I just answer at the post Strategos300. That was all about. There is no need to give any evidence and I agree with you. And for you first question I care about sexual orientation of historical figures beause its intresting and says a lot about them.

[@Strategos300]

No no, there is actully no evidence of Bagoas and Alexander. If there is, show me.

[@55cabgirl]

They were bestfriends and lovers go read the story and history of Alexander the great if you dont know now you know!!!!!!!!!

[@camilleconstant1796]

J'en plus besoin de vous

[@BuTterFlyeMpirE18]

the thing is that in ancient greece being gay was something normal and most of men were bisexual!

[@Strategos300]

I am sick of this discussion. I hate discuss cases like this. I say he was not bisexual, you say, yes. Whatever, we are not professors anyway...from now on I will not reply any fether.

[@Strategos300]

My point is, you can't just choose a Historical person and start saying he was bisexual. It's almost crimminal.

[@GaryBookasta]

@serreosoo8 People like you make these grandoise stmts & readers believe them: Every historian - except Fox. believes they were lovers! Why. because. contrary to your stmt. ALL but one of the surviving ancient texts refer to Hephaistion as Alexanders "lover". Most state "The King was loved but loved only Hephaistion". Even the staid old BBC acknowledges this - their docu on the subject is currently playing on PBS, WATCH IT - if you doubt! And read Mary Renault - the best of the books!