Apple Silicon is back, but for which developers?

Apple Silicon's dominance is back, with the M3 family of chips and new MacBook Pros. From the base M3 to the beastly M3 Max, we'll explore what these chips mean for you as a developer.
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[@zoellazayce6796]

@Alex Ziskind At 6:39, you're wrong on the 14" not being able to max out compared to the 16" models. You can manually upgrade it to be similar to the 16" models, it's just that they don't show that at the summary.

[@davidmcclellan4621]

Came here to say this

[@zigmasslusnys3596]

I do appreciate you making these videos Alex! I remember talking with you about NativeScript some time ago, and you making this shift to youtube in order to review products. It was a great transition and you’re really good at it. I love watching down to detail videos like yours with specific comparisons especially us being developers hearing this from a fellow developer with engineering mindset ❤

[@AZisk]

wow you’ve been around for a while! thanks for your continued interest and the kind words!

[@arlencarlson]

Interesting on your comment on the Air and it’s potential placement. Had been considering one. I will have to watch your video on the thermals. Now you have me considering this M3 model…well maybe. I like the lower weight of the 13” Air.

[@marcowagner1878]

Can't wait for your tests with these machines. Please don't forget to also run a tensor flow comparison 😊

[@qooqleminus4742]

You can get the 16core max in the 14 inch you just have to upgrade it in the options 6:35

[@banned_from_eating_cookies]

Yes I came to the comments to point this out too

[@KenBrist]

Yep… I got it on the 14” as well.

[@user-gw2ws8lh2w]

but not 40gpu core one

[@qooqleminus4742]

@@user-gw2ws8lh2w yes 40 core it’s a 300 dollar upgrade after you click buy

[@rich0006]

@@user-gw2ws8lh2w - you can configure a 14" Max with 16 CPU cores and 40 GPU cores - I just did it! 💰

[@carbonfibercarpet4655]

This video randomly showed up on my KZbin and I’m just shocked at how good your mic is lol

[@AZisk]

thx

[@francisyuweh706]

thanks for reviewing these expensive mac units and helps us gauge if we really need an update as software developers. Your test and comparison helps, keep it up and blessings always^

[@NK-iw6rq]

One of the best videos I have watched covering the necessary details. The end was very valuable. M3 is best for those who will experience the most gain in computing power and efficiency which would be M1 generation and before. And like Alex said, even with some M1 models, you may not need the upgrade.

[@shinaji08]

Thank you, I’ll be looking forward to your review. I’m still using the last intel pro and I was thinking of upgrading to m3. You’re video was very straight forward and I’m also studying to become a programmer. Also, your explanation was very easy to understand so I appreciate it. 👍 + could you test how well baldur’s gate 3 runs on m3 too?

[@geodix2140]

Loved the vid man!! Keep it up!!

[@AZisk]

thx!

[@irmaslager]

This channel is on fire! So happy to discover. This is the most realistic review

[@ddxxbb1]

Love your analysis and Mac performance reviews.

[@azatecas]

to everyone feeling like the M2 macbook pros were just released and now we are getting new ones again, you aren't crazy. apple delayed the m2 release from last year until january of this year, that is why this release seems too soon. if you can afford the new shiny macbooks go for it, but going with a M1 generation isn't a bad choice either

[@milworks]

I have a M1 Max 64gb of ram and i still max it out with my vm workflows. Didn’t make sense for a m2 update but a max ram m3 is very compelling.

[@MarbsMusic]

Plus you get more cores on the Max while previous models it was just the extra GPUs

[@TheWallReports]

Same here. I use my M1 Max 64GB for VM & ML tasks. I recently started hitting the unified memory limits & to a lesser extent the CPU limits. Just this past week while running an LLM my M1 Max started swapping GBs out; As such I will be upgrading.

[@l.bogdan1360]

M3 got me by surprise. Was expecting a m2 iMac ish event. To bad it only has AV1 decoder and is missing the hardware encoding feature. Looking forward to see the benchmarks of your new macs 😅.

[@johnnydragovic6892]

Thank you for the video. It helped me decide my choice. I will choose the M3 Max as an ML engineer. I need the best performance for heavy duties. Yes, it is expensive, but it is considered a good investment with a stronger chip.

[@ChronicWhale]

Looking forward to the test!

[@arvinsim]

I was thinking about using a Mac for LLMs beause of the RAM. But it seems LLMs still run slow on them compared to a PC with Nvidia GPU.

[@Krazcat]

Hi Alex I have a question, I am going to study NLP for my master. Is it a good choice to get the m3 max with 38gb or m3 pro with 38gb ?

[@sirjohn2924]

I really like you to put Max Tech and he did to you too 😂

[@gosich]

Interestingly, memory throughput distribution between available options is noticably different compared to M2 line. You now get 150 gb/s for many options, and 400 gb/s only for some top options. In M2 line there were 200 and 400, and, if I remeber correctly, 400 was the case for all M2 Max options. What I'm trying to say is that if you upgrade to M3 with everything else the same, you may find out that you got worse memory speed (like we saw this with SSD speeds)

[@LukeBarousse]

Phew 😅 was worried if M3’s supported VS code 😜

[@AZisk]

I mean, I’m just guessing the new machines will run VS Code. Will need good hard data to really test it out

[@sitrakaforler8696]

I mean...bro my M2 MacBook Pro is still working great. Also I love the apple touch hahahah (it's even cooler when looking slides x) Great video! And thanks for those test the cut to the chase is THE way to go ! Bravo

[@nbhhcghgfyg]

Sir do we need these? What if using cloud computing azure??

[@arkangel7330]

Can you do another memory torture test with the new M3 MBPs? thanks! Also, 13-inch M1 mbp user here. My workflow surpassed it already. Dying to get the new M3 Pro.

[@alexh2665]

I ordered the binned M3 Pro, 14 inch MacBook Pro. I think there will be better single core performance than in the base M3 chips with the addition of an extra CPU core. I’m trading in my M2 MacBook Air which I was very pleased with how it had even better single core performance than the binned M2 Pro chips in programming benchmarks but I do need more ram.

[@morgan-n5e]

so can you now connect 3 monitors?

[@riccardoatwork5291]

Can anyone make me some examples of ML work that would require the 128 Gb of RAM? Or other uses for them?

[@theneilpowers]

I'm currently running the last intel MacBook Pro (the one from 2020). I'm considering finally getting the upgrade. Though depending on reviews, I might end up settling with an M2 series model. I heard a certain KZbinr might have second-hand laptops?

[@harrisontu264]

I was able to get the 1640 configuration in a 14 inch form factor, didn’t buy it, but did add it to the cart. Just to try. It’s just not one of the base configurations so you have to drill through the configurator, but if you want it, it is possible.

[@jans03en]

I have a question, for me just a beginner in Machine learning and Data Science, do I need to get the M3 Pro or Just M2 Pro?

[@abrahamolsen5340]

And I'm so indecisive about Wich iPhone get, 15 pro max or 15 plus, I would like to feel those 120hz

[@shubham-itachi]

Is MacBook Air M1 base varient for iOS/app development. And fullstack also. pls reply 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 will price drop m1

[@mikeboatright5349]

All my dev work is on RHEL servers so all I really need is a nice 16" screen and good keyboard/mouse. Using a VDI (Virtual Desktop Interface) is great. I bought a M1 MAX 16" which works great. Figure I'll wait for an M5 before I upgrade. If Apple had the 15" Air out I would have bought that instead.

[@andikunar7183]

For me the main question is - will it (with a SW-update to the Apple hypervisor) do nested hypervisors or Metal/GPU in Docker/VMs? If yes, I probably will be spending a lot of money again for upgrading (hoped the M2 would do it and just got more RAM with it). But not very hopeful for this ... The 128GB/1TB M3 Max probably is a "complete beast" for llama2-70B or similar (M2 Max does 7 token/s on Q4), but maybe a future Mac Studio is good enough or better per $.

[@schnitzle908]

Nested virtualization is technically possible as of the M2. It's up to Apple to expose the feature so that companies like Parallels can access it. Asahi Linux announced that they have it working. It is also holding me back from upgrading from Intel. I'm hoping that bootcamp comes back too. With the Qualcomm exclusivity deal ending in 2024, perhaps it isn't such a far fetched idea...

[@svenmify]

Curious why you’d need this? I do use VMs sporadically but never even considered nesting them.

[@temelgunaydin7585]

I recently bought and returned m2 max because of lacking support for nested virtualization. It couldnt run android emulator in vs 2022.(parallel windows).

[@schnitzle908]

@@svenmify If you are running something like Windows and want to use WSL for things like Docker, then you need nested virtualization.

[@svenmify]

@@schnitzle908 right, makes sense. But why not run docker on the mac directly? I see windows VMs only for stuff that doesn’t run on mac tho, but I guess some people have other reasons for using it.

[@yuehuang3419]

I think a Raspberry PI can run VSCode. One would hope M3 can do too.

[@blackpeep984]

I have the m2 pro 14". Do i have to upgrade ?

[@lauracollins1366]

Have been holding off upgrading my 2018 MBP despite it sounding like a jet fighter when just browsing. Think it’s finally time to upgrade

[@AZisk]

oh you will really appreciate it. i remember the 2018 model very well

[@timschultz1928]

They reduced the memory bus width on the model that uses the 36gb/96gb models from 512 bit to 384 bit hence the new memory config.. certainly going to be something to test

[@Watchandlearn91]

I think it is because instead of using 4 4GB modules (4 x 4gb = 16gb), they are now using 3 6gb modules to save some money. So even though the capacity went up (3 x 6gb = 18gb), the bandwidth went down because there are now less modules..

[@WilliamShrek]

You've been hilarious. 😄😄 I like it. Keep it that way.

[@peignoir]

Hmm I got the 14 with m3 max with 16core and 40 gpu cores … you can max it in the upgrade section. Like you i took 64gb (but only one Tb / I’ll use external SSDs) hope it’s going to be enough to run descent models

[@fromabovefrombelow1272]

How has the 14 inch M3 Max treated you with your workflow? Runs descent models? Worth the price?

[@ros4833]

I just bought 16 inch m3 pro base model since I needed one tired of intel PC shutting after 2 hours of work, lets see how it compare

[@JabariHunt]

While games were high in their considerations, they are likely targeting VR development.

[@AZisk]

definitely!

[@wiicow]

I have a ML benchamrk I would love if you could run on the M2 or M3. I've tried to get other youtubers to adopt it but they claim it would take too long which I find frustraiting when this test takes an hour maximum on the Intel laptops and they are already rendering videos around that length of time

[@MarkStatkus]

Thx I think coming from my M1 Max it will be a nice bump. I did down grade from 64 to 48. I wasn’t even scratching the memory even with Logic Pro and VSCode and Browsers, electron etc. 😂

[@NicholasOrr]

Also so glad found your channel. Practical everyday professional work usage instead of fluffy media "I make KZbin videos, are you not entertained?" I'm pretty sure the MacBook Air is a practical device for a lot of work situations despite not having a fan....

[@asilverskold]

thanks for your videos i am improving my English..

[@gh0stcloud499]

Im using a workstation to do game dev on unreal engine. My M1 MacBook Pro just can’t handle it, both from a performance perspective as well as the fact that some specific technologies like the Lumen lighting system and the Nanite mesh system don’t work correctly. The M3 seems like it could be an answer for this. Either way hardware accelerated ray tracing will be nice

[@LiquidAlgorithms]

Is anyone running a coding assistant LLM locally on their mac as part of their normal dev workflow, or is getting 128GB of memory on the M3 Max more for developers who are training ML models?

[@Marinate305]

I’m interested in your M2 Max. I’m sure it’s well taken care of.

[@TheMonkeydood]

Im a dev and I work on a mac and yes, vs code is my ide. Very accurate observation!

[@CBaines989]

I have the 16” intel MacBook from 2019 with 1 T of storage. I use it mostly for very basic stuff. Would I even see a difference with this new M3? Thanks.

[@AZisk]

I can definitely say 100% yes. even if you don’t do anything with it, but leave it on, you’ll notice a big difference because the intel machine will die in a couple hours, but the silicon one will go all day

[@CBaines989]

@@AZisk Thank you. Just can’t justify spending another $4000 Cad , just 4 years later.

[@petrzurek5713]

I think that the statement “it is for the people who like shiny new objects” is the most accurate description of those preordering this 😁

[@hreetampaul9350]

What about people those who are buying from intel windows!?🥲

[@RomPereira]

About the new "Base Model", I was reading a report on that. Not every consumer watch a KZbinr or read about it online. They just go to best buy or such and buy a computer. When they used to see the Macbook Air and the Pro, both in 13 inch, side by side, they would pay extra for the Pro version because 100 or 200 dollars more for something called "Pro" sounds like a nice deal. So the sales on those were actually, very good. Also, the "Touch Bar" was a nice gimmick to help on sales.

[@AZisk]

yes, this makes sense. also, in this case the base mbp is actually a better option than the mba IMO

[@andyH_England]

Apple uses the "Pro" moniker to denote their top-of-the-range; obviously, they are not aimed at pros only! That would be silly. The chips mark the level of "pro", so M3 is the base for ultrabooks like the MB Pro 14 M3 (and MB Pro Air M2). The "M3 Pro" and "M3 Max" chips are for the professional classes.

[@cyberspacedweller637]

Thing is though, it probably doesn’t matter to those people because an M1 Air is probably overkill for Their needs even. If you don’t know enough to know you need the extras, you probably don’t care.

[@alcapone5990]

@@AZisk I don’t think that the mbp is a better option than the upcoming mba. At least when it comes to the average consumer. The M1 offers more than enough power, hence the M3 will surpass it. The M3 mba will kind of be a more powerful, and even more efficient chip, and I’d rather pay ~1.200$ to 1.300$ for a laptop with practically the same chip, same RAM and no fan (which wouldn’t be used anyways as we’re speaking of average consumers).

[@geog8964]

Thanks. Looking forward to...

[@LayneSadler]

please do some multithreaded testing

[@irakli.asatiani]

Could not comment on official Apple introduction video because they have it disabled, but I wanted to say, thank you for all your hard efforts but I'll stick to my M1 Pro probably for years

[@LordBagdanoff]

Still on 2013 MBP intel and looking to upgrade. Thinking if I should get the new M3 pro or wait for M3 MBA. Thoughts?

[@ganderthepanda8146]

If you’re getting by on a 2013 MBP intel, any M series will blow it out of the water. I’m on an M2 pro mac mini, only because I’m a developer (mainly running servers, and vms) so I need the extra RAM. Youd probly be fine on a base spec imo. But it depends on what you’re doing. Edit: I find apples naming is pretty accurate. Get a pro processor if you’re a professional, and a Max/Ultra if you’re on the bleeding edge. Most people only need the base spec and an external drive for storage.

[@zlatkonikoloski8422]

Any chance to straighten the youtube plaque?🤣

[@skpetkss]

Waiting for you video 💕💕💕💕

[@AZisk]

🤗

[@danny_the_K]

I was disappointed they didn't offer a M3Pro in the 24" iMac or finally deliver the M3Pro in a 27/32' model. Also, I wonder what's going to happen to the 15" Air. I see Microcenter already has it at $170 off list and the mac mini base model is 10% off list. I am typing this on a 16" M1 base model (16GB Ram/512GB SSD) which I won't be changing anytime soon. I am a moderate load user and don't need the processing power. If the 15" Air had gotten the M3Pro chipset it might have been a different story.

[@gurugamer8632]

Should programmers go for M3 or M3 pro?

[@CuongPham-zu7lb]

Dear Alex, Could you please advise which one I should pick ? M2 pro 12 core and M3 pro 12 core. I focus on coding mobile app. Thanks so much

[@nickgennady]

I’m a game dev and wondering how powerful m3 pro GPU is compared to 3050ti laptop edition.

[@christopher3d475]

Those of us who do 3D work NEED the raytracing cores in this thing.

[@burhan7260]

Should I buy the new MacbookPro M3 Max or the Mac Studio M2 Ultra? In some Geekbench tests, I've read that the new M3 achieves similar results to the M2 Ultra. What makes more sense at the moment? Portability doesn't matter, speed and performance are crucial. I'm looking forward to your recommendations. Thank you

[@PatricioBenavente]

Wait for the M3 Ultra

[@peterwan小P]

Did not expected to see Max here 😂😂😂😂XD

[@gaddipatilohitchowdary333]

Im a cloud security student. I run a lot of vm's. Im thinking about getting a m2 mac mini. Do you think thats a good idea? If not what would you suggest. Thanks in Advance! Love your videos

[@nunuvyurbiz123]

I'd be curious to see Xcode benchmarks. I have an M1 Pro 16" with 16/1TB, thinking of upgrading to the M3 Pro 16" with 36/2TB.

[@tonyscaminaci7959]

Same thinking on my part. Definitely need at least 36GB/2TB. Remember, we can’t upgrade the SSD so you’re stuck with whatever you buy. My 2015 came with 512GB, upgraded it to 1TB a few years ago and then upgraded again to 2TB last year. No external SSD will be as fast as the internal one.

[@adredy]

can i ask for what you need 36gb of ram ?

[@nunuvyurbiz123]

@@adredy 18 would be enough today but this would be a final pre-retirement purchase that I would plan to use for 7 or more years. If I could pick any amount then I’d probably choose 24. I’m not even a developer. It’s a hobby/interest. If I can get 50 lines of code to compile, I get all excited.

[@tonyscaminaci7959]

@@nunuvyurbiz123 Same thought process for me as well. I could live with 24GB but it’s not offered in the M3 models. 16GB is barely working for me these days since I use Parallels for Windows and Ubuntu Linux and 18GB wouldn’t be much better. I use massive FPGA design tools that don’t run under MacOS so I’m forced to run Windows and/or Linux via Parallels. These tools are memory hogs so 36GB it is.

[@pax_life]

What about the M3 in the iMac ? Would it be great for Android Studio? (Flutter Dev) Which RAM to take ?

[@gowtham4943]

Minimum of 16 RAM+512gb ssd is good enough to run all kinds of projects. For chips you dont need any max chips mobile app development does not need that much computation power. Maybe any chips M2, M2 pro, M3, M3 pro

[@gowtham4943]

iMac seems good and 10k INR lesser than MacBook Pro with 16gb/512gb config. Consider all factors like portability

[@SonicMrSumo]

I'd love to see how your 16 inch M3 Max runs games in Parallels with it's new GPU.

[@AZisk]

😑 idk, we’ll see

[@brandonsargent7105]

Correction - you can get the maxed out 14 inch version, it’s not exclusive to the 16 inch

[@bogdns]

Scary fast and scary expensive!

[@sampsasohlman]

It only have Wifi 6E not WIFI7, which would be really good for connectivity for local network drives. You still need docking station with 10Gbit ethernet.

[@justinyadao744]

and the space black is only available on the m3 pro and higher. so minim $2000

[@calumwoodward9489]

Plz do m1 pro vs base m3

[@MyHead16]

I can't decide what to do I want to have the M3 Chip and the best of Buck. Should I buy a base model M3 MacBook Pro just the ram updated to 16 GB Or buy a MacBook Air when it's updated to M3 and of course, 16 GB ram and 512 SSD Currently my 2017, MacBook Pro is broken (flexgate) For me it's very important that the Macbook last very long. I use it only for rep browsing, office programs, and to make charts and cards for my buisness My Question with the specs i need is it worth to spend 500€ more for the pro or save the money and get the air/wait for m3 air

[@francute2u]

massive upgrade on macbook 16" for a less than a year release? geez, just bought mine few months ago

[@Tezah89]

Best Buy took M2 pro 14” out of the line up 😢 I just got the M2 a couple weeks ago and it is not working as fast as my M1 w/touchbar. I want to exchange it to get another one and of course they don’t have any on the lineup. It looks like I might have to get the M3 just to get rid of this M2 that’s not working, right.

[@darthvader4899]

I have never bought mac before? but I have been looking to buy a good laptop. I keep lots of tabs. I like to just pack my laptop without shutdown. I use docker a lot. I also want to be able to run large language models locally. Should I buy M3 or m2 or another laptop.

[@PatricioBenavente]

MacBook Pro M3 Max if you can afford it. MacBook Air M1 16GB if you wanna save some money

[@chebrubin]

What game dev is being funded on Apple Mac OS?

[@alastairleith8612]

i’m on an M1 mac mini with only 8 GB and i get memory issues many times a day and the force quit is prompted telling me to shut down apps at least once a day. i don’t think there’s any thermal issues, i just have too many tabs open in safari and firefox and offer need a dozen different apps open for my work. if i’m just in CAD or one Adobe app i’m ok but general work or study with lots of apps and dozens of papers open in browsers well then 8 GB cutting it, every day issue.

[@andyH_England]

For your workflow, 8GB wasn't a good choice. I recommend 24GB.

[@AZisk]

you said the magic word: Adobe. Those apps will much up your memory and lock up your system quick!

[@QuOUseTERSEa]

gpt-3.5-turbo has 20B parameters, so I guess we can run a lot good LLMs locally on macbook now?

[@AZisk]

yeah. i made a video on running llama 2 recently

[@safebet5841]

The most important decision for me regarding the M1 Pro or Max is the number of external monitors. Just one external monitor on the non-pro version is too limited for me.

[@bryandata6658]

It is not hard to get two monitors with a dual HDMI hub that will support a displaylink driver

[@piotrd.4850]

@@bryandata6658 but why artificial need for gimmicks? Also displaylink SUCKS.

[@shawn_bullock]

I still have a 13" MBP 2020 with intel i9 CPU with 32GB RAM, for my workflows it's not enough RAM. Definitely the M3 CPU/MEM mem maxed will be a good upgrade. Chrome will probably chew up the 128GB RAM also, my luck

[@ulfw]

Why you order each model? You gonna send them back as used machines?

[@sefa8626]

Where can I buy your second hand MacBook Pro Alex! Would be an honor!

[@JamesBond-mq7pd]

I have m1 pro and it became super laggy. Can't work anymore on my laptop

[@andyH_England]

Do a full reset from a new and do not restore from a backup. That may fix it.

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

I've got to get that Max to run all the game that exists on Mac.

[@Christopher-today]

Great initial overview, thank you. Given the way Apple is not letting you get 64 or 96gb on all Max variants (which is another annoying apple like move!) has triggered 1 question in my mind. If you're doing deep learning (transformers, etc) is it better to get the 30 core gpu with 96gb of ram or the 40 core with 64gb of ram? My assumption here is the person asking the question can't afford a 40 core 128gb ram variant. Thanks so much.

[@alexanderfoster3628]

This is what I want to know as well. Also the 96GB model features a binned CPU with 14 cores vs 16, which cores are lost? Is it high performance or efficiency cores?

[@SupahNin10dohp]

My 2019 MBP was struggle-bussing since Ventura so I just picked up a 16in M1 Pro with 64gb ram and 2tb for $1700. I hope its worth it over picking up an M3 Pro.... and also hope I didn't get scammed.

[@larsc888]

Errr, don't think the M1 Pro chip has a 64gb option. That's a M1 Max option.

[@SupahNin10dohp]

@@larsc888 yep, just double checked it's a 32GB. I just had 64 GB on the mind.

[@codebrew420]

Love your videos, I have a M1 Air 16GB (Personal) and M2 Pro 8GB 13in (Work) currently, we do a lot of CSV imports and I see the "beach ball of doom" more than I would like. Previous project I had a M1 Air 16GB and unless I had a spreadsheet with ten thousand rows I never had issues with memory/beach balling. Nice work looking forward to your videos on the M3! Cheers

[@user-vj7sv5rm2h]

anyone tried to develop software on an m3 air 16gb?

[@Cyber_Sandwich]

Phew, glad it runs VS code, was scared there for a second in suspense.

[@moddaudio]

Yea, but you need to use clang rather than gcc, and that is the real important question.

[@JuanFmTech]

Funny how The 14” mackbook pro with M3 pro chip has less cpu gpu cores 1, 4 respectively and 25% less memory bandwidth than the previous m2 pro, with the discounts for m2 pro not being the new one and the downgrades of the new m3 pro model that would probably only be 10% faster but % wise more expensive than the m2 pro M2 pro its way better value

[@byronleigh80]

The easting is in pudding. I think will likely depend on your use case.

[@DigitalNomadOnFIRE]

It's about yield on the 3nm process apparently.

[@andyH_England]

I would wait for tests as basing on specs is a fools game as there is more to just core count and bandwidth.

[@felipe_ai]

Please do a ML performance test comparing with an nvidia GPU once you get these machines, you're my go to channel always for this lol, I'm just waiting for the day that a mac can outperform speedwise a dedicated cuda big PC 😊

[@DanielHK9]

Macbooks will never outperform CUDA cores. Especially if you are doing Deep Learning Nvidia GPUs will always be the best. If you need that much power for inference / training just use Google Collab or any cloud service. These machines are not made for AI development even if Apple is marketing them that way.

[@Tassaczek]

You can order 14 inch 16/40 cores model. Just click lower, and you will have an upgrade choice.

[@Jenny_Digital]

I have the thought that Apple has noticed that rivals are on the horizon and had a little tizzy over this. They could've waited for the N3E node but went for the awkward option. Not everything in this world is rational.

[@piotrd.4850]

Of course they could and should have waited, but hey - this is Apple and awkdward is a new normal. 8GB RAM and single display in PRO machine :D at lest they could have just called it "MacBook".

[@andyH_England]

The M3 was already delayed by a year, and Apple decided that they just had to roll them out, whatever. Bearing in mind the latest sales show a 40% drop in sales, then they would be silly to delay, especially with the holiday season coming. This was an obvious move for any business.

[@TamasKiss-yk4st]

They never cares about competitors, just check the Snapdragon X Elite, they didn't even dare to show you a comparison between M2 Max, they only compared their chip against the M2 Pro what has 2 less power cores.. so even if the 8/10 power cores on M2 Max is better like the Snapdragon X Elite (if it's not they should also show a result comparison on their event..), the 10/12 power cores on M3 Max will be way better, and also tje M3 is avaliabke in a week, but Snapdragon still onky avaliable in 2024 (when we already will see the M4 rumors about their benchmarks)

[@user-ec7oe1bl8y]

I think a big part of it is Apple to keep themselves with a good reputation with AI. As one of the main tech companies without their own LLM, they pivoted to say ‘build your own LLM using our new M3 Max chip’

[@randomnobody660]

The first L stands for large. So I don't think that's happening on any consumer or enthusiast grade hardware anytime soon. Didn't GPT3 use up somewhere between couple to tens of million dollars worth of computation time?

[@ramadhiantoagung5086]

@@randomnobody660 currently partial inference is already feasible in consumer hardware (albeit workststion grade). Full inference for llm is not financially feasible anyway even for medium and some large company, so the LLM they mention mostlikely using pretrained existing model or partial inference model. Just to experiment on edge case and build MPV, before deploying on full scale compute