The £200 Vintage Synth Challenge!

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Alex Ball

Alex Ball

Күн бұрын

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@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
BUT YOU USED OTHER GEAR!!!!! With the benefit of hindsight I should have elaborated exactly what I meant. The gear did indeed cost less than £200 and so it was a "£200 vintage synth challenge". Unfortunately, snappy video titles are a necessity for KZbin and whilst that title wasn't untrue, I appreciate it could be misunderstood without further elaboration. So... 1) I didn't mean (or say) that I wouldn't use the rest of my studio. 2) I use the same gear to process synths worth ten or twenty times what these cost, so it's a level playing field. 3) The sounds all still came exclusively from these two instruments. 4) Everything I did could be done in the DAW with free plugins, but that makes for a boring video with a mouse wiggling around. 5) The only member of ZZ Top without a huge beard is the drummer - Frank Beard. 6) I think Norwich might escape relegation this year. They seem to be turning it around.
@thaJeztah
@thaJeztah 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone could make their crappy gear sound great by just "adding a great musician". Won't be able to get that for 200 quid 🙄😉
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@thaJeztah What if I have 210 quid?
@torbenanschau6641
@torbenanschau6641 2 жыл бұрын
At the first glance it's ticking none of the boxes. But you wanna know what happens when you add some little mixer and ms 20 to it and explore some further sound experiences.
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
Always wondered if Frank was his real name.
@reggiep75
@reggiep75 2 жыл бұрын
The irony of Frank Beard... He's probably choking as we speak and he's thinking 'Someone is mentioning my damned name again and saying I'm the only member without a beard.. SHUT UP!'
@kevinsturges6957
@kevinsturges6957 2 жыл бұрын
The real difference in your material isn’t so much the equipment, it’s your raw talent. It’s your songs and arrangements.
@MirlitronOne
@MirlitronOne 8 ай бұрын
Yes, this is usually true. Dammit.
@rachelar
@rachelar 7 ай бұрын
Effects
@simonjefferytaylor
@simonjefferytaylor 4 ай бұрын
Yep
@Hainbach
@Hainbach 2 жыл бұрын
I love the phasing introduced by the EQ on the Snare. So dreamy. And I love the sequencer trigger idea, supercool.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Cheers. That drum machine is quite the challenge! Trigger - I've since discovered that the bank hold button limits the programme up changes to one bank. As a bank holds eight patches and there are eight waves available I can setup a little wavetable if I plan it out. Will have to try it out...and then run it through an obscure soviet wire recorder. ;)
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic Lol at the wire recorder.
@Ishkur23
@Ishkur23 2 жыл бұрын
It's not what you have, it's what you do with it. Good music is good music, irrespective of how it's made.
@thehorriblebright
@thehorriblebright 2 жыл бұрын
I had a dw6000 back in the 90s. I was severely envious of my buddy who had the dw8000 that had an arpeggiator. He also had the superdrums, wasn't envious of that.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Haha, yeah. The Super Drums was pretty heavily compromised in order to be affordable. DW-8000 - I have that lined up for the future. Look forward to trying it.
@Eyepatchfilms
@Eyepatchfilms 2 жыл бұрын
Its irritating that the ex8000 doesnt have it either
@riggidyboo
@riggidyboo 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic I had to pause the video to try that program up trick on my DW8000. Ran a LFO from the modular in an it worked like a charm.
@Scottzilla1970
@Scottzilla1970 2 жыл бұрын
The front panel on that Korg always reminds me of a stitch pattern guide on a sewing machine
@jamesm601
@jamesm601 2 жыл бұрын
Alex: "Let's make a little mini-song" Proceeds to play the dopest banger of 2022.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you :)
@SockSockson
@SockSockson 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. That's an awesome track. The harmonies remind me of the kind of stuff Bibio does. Amazing.
@jamesm601
@jamesm601 2 жыл бұрын
@@SockSockson Well now I have to look in to this Bibio person. :)
@neale5j
@neale5j 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I enjoyed that track!
@melsonic1463
@melsonic1463 2 жыл бұрын
Concuring hands down ...
@6581punk
@6581punk 2 жыл бұрын
Often the big difference between the cheap and expensive ones is the cheaper ones need more FX, layering and EQ. Sometimes there are engine differences that one will do than another won't (oscillator sync, ring mod, PWM and so on). But you can make a turd of a synth sound reasonable if you're prepared to put the effort in.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, the DW is a bit lumpy prior to compression and EQ. Needs FX too!
@rietheguyschannel
@rietheguyschannel 2 жыл бұрын
Cheap/limited synths with decent FX are wildly underrated. My SH-1000 is pretty lame on it's own but run it through some pedals and it's a magical synth.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@rietheguyschannel The sawtooth on the SH-1000 is proper good though. So throaty. But the higher waves...yeah, quite cheesy. :)
@rietheguyschannel
@rietheguyschannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic oh it can makes some great sounds, just not very many.
@evskis
@evskis 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic The Poly800 doesn't, and it's an even smaller engine and even cheaper synth. I used to have one, and remember programming the intro sound sequence for 'Heartbeat City' by The Cars, and it sounding plenty better than whatever Greg Hawkes had used, particularly live (!). It actually sounded better than, cause the internal Poly800 chorus / delay (sort of like the fx featured on NI's Prophet 5 plugin) was just phenomenal - a gimmick, but phenomenally lush sounding. I had the Poly800 with black keys too, cause it was goth times innit. Must say I used to have a Juno 60 for years -exchanged my DX7iis for a Juno 60, Moog Prodigy and the Poly 800 back when-, and yes, the Juno chorus is awesome, but to be perfect it should have had that cheap Poly800 delay fitted in there. And MIDI. And a cigarette holder. That's a **fantastic song** by the way, My Own Reflection. I want that bassline lol.
@SamLowryDZ-015
@SamLowryDZ-015 2 жыл бұрын
I started out in the 80s with just a Pro-One, a DR 110, a mono cassette radio and the living room hi-fi that had L-R inputs to the tape deck. Bouncing down and adding a layer each time quickly teaches you how to plan ahead and avoid mistakes.
@simonjefferytaylor
@simonjefferytaylor 4 ай бұрын
Dr110 was good though
@dankro279
@dankro279 2 жыл бұрын
Well done, sneaking in that old, lesser-known Beatles song "Back in the A.D.B.S.S.R" into your video!!
@bitspacemusic
@bitspacemusic 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed quite quickly that micro managing songs together in Ableton never gave any results and I wasn't having fun. As soon as I pick simpler things or limit myself into a more confined workflow, things get fun and I get nice surprises. This usually involves hardware for me. These limitations are fun and very rewarding, instead of being stuck in mouse-driven DAW projects.
@dreadful_name2924
@dreadful_name2924 2 жыл бұрын
These will probably be all valued twice as much now thanks to Alex’s sick jam!
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Value has shot up at least 67p already! Might hit £5 by the weekend.
@DarkSideofSynth
@DarkSideofSynth 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic Damn! If this were the stock market, you'd make Warren Buffet look like a lame noobie ;)
@jakehendriksen2841
@jakehendriksen2841 2 жыл бұрын
Using the sequencer to rapidly switch patches in-time is next-level. Brilliant!
@nelsonpuello8722
@nelsonpuello8722 2 жыл бұрын
Alex, you capture the feeling of the 80s so well, not only with the music composition but including some old VHS footage to go along. I was transported immediately to my middle school days, and brought up a long buried nostalgia from my childhood days. Thank you.
@artisan002
@artisan002 2 жыл бұрын
Your take on melody is so unique. Seriously. It's kind of aggravating, simply because the majority of it is stuff I wouldn't have ever thought of. (Of course, I'm also just flatly terrible at lyrics)
@alexrusso401
@alexrusso401 2 жыл бұрын
So I kinda love the DW-6000 now. I want to try picking one of those up.
@stephanmobius1380
@stephanmobius1380 2 жыл бұрын
Awwww - the smiles of Matthew Broderick, Molly Ringwald and Elisabeth Shue flashed before my closed eyes, and it was a pink bright summer for a moment.
@RedMeansRecording
@RedMeansRecording 2 жыл бұрын
Super drums giving me strong sonic the hedgehog vibes.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Haha! Yes!
@mastercylinder1939
@mastercylinder1939 2 жыл бұрын
There’s probably some ointment for that.
@louierubio
@louierubio 2 жыл бұрын
Haha that’s exactly it
@martinheath5947
@martinheath5947 2 жыл бұрын
Very good! Brings back happy memories of me and my Atari 1040ST running Cubase (black and white on a small screen) Taking a MIDI part, copying, transforming notes into programme changes (predelaying track a few ticks), then dividing or multiplying programme changes by different numerical values thereby generating all kinds of "wavetable" sounds from the original synth part. Happy days 😊
@AmeyahOfficialTV
@AmeyahOfficialTV 2 жыл бұрын
Quite happy with that video. I often limit myself to one synth or use entirely only samples from different sources to sound design drums, melodic parts, FX - all FX plugins allowed by no synths. And you did something similar here, i liked the end result a lot. Going with limitation to find an excuss for sound design is just so highly inspiring.
@billyruss
@billyruss 2 жыл бұрын
Starting out with limited gear back in the 80s, I became adept at "thinking about every single part... and eking the most out of it" - a useful experience for when I got better gear.
@jakelawson1
@jakelawson1 2 жыл бұрын
Love it. Great work. The DW8K has been a mainstay for me for decades. Not the most flexible, but it does sound awfully nice. Really nice filters.
@DestroyER82
@DestroyER82 2 жыл бұрын
Played on friends DW-6000. It actually does sound pretty awesome, chorus circuit uses same components as Roland stuff from that era (Juno's / JX's) and linked with ctrl controller you then have very decent allround polysynth good for all various kinds of music (especially synthwave, chill, various lo-fi retro or soundtracks). Awesome demonstration.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, thought it would be awful and whilst it can be a bit anemic when you're starting the patch, by the end it can be suprisingly rich and wide. Nice filters and crunchy but complex waveforms I guess.
@henninghoefer
@henninghoefer 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always: Wonderful short song, insightful commentary, and some vintage gear to look at! But I think you missed a zero in the video's title? Quick googling and sloppy conversion from € to £: Korg DW6000 + Korg Superdrums: £190 Ibanez RM80: £125 if you're lucky Korg MS-20: £1000 if you're _really_ lucky Boss BF-2: £95 Dr. Scientist Bitquest: £200 Strymon BigSky: £350 + unnamed sequencer for the program changes of the synth: £40 (just because it totals up nicely) Total: £2000
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I'm pleased to say that I was _"really_ lucky" and then more than that because this stuff used to be a lot cheaper than it is now and some of it was given to me, but point taken. I could have just used freeware plug-in FX in my DAW as the same techniques are all available in the box, but it isn't as interesting for a video. Also, a point I'm kicking myself for not explicitly making in the video - I use the same stuff with very expensive synths, so it's a level playing field.
@Mind-your-own-beeswax
@Mind-your-own-beeswax 2 жыл бұрын
For cheapness I use a free keyboard/synth which is the PSS680. Yes it’s a home keyboard I hear you say but with midi and an actual synth in it I love it. The drum pads along the front are not bad either plus when ran through some pedals it sounds massive.
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
The PSS-XXX actually have a lot of synthesis power and potential hidden beneath their "home keyboard" exterior. The PSS-480 is a full-on FM synth workstation. It's just very small.
@clauscombat418
@clauscombat418 2 жыл бұрын
The Pss480/580/680/780 keyboards are probably the cheapest true synth to buy and they are easier to program than a DX7 😉
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
@@clauscombat418 Indeed! The PSR-36 is another hidden treasure.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I had a PSR-27 that I did a video with on my channel very early on. I'd had it since I was a kid, but I've since given it away. There were some half decent sounds hidden in it, but it was generally awful. Had those drum pads too!
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic Lol...I think that was the video that led me to your channel in the first place.
@Daphoid
@Daphoid 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic all around. You could totally take that short song and work it into a full single; easily. Love it.
@EannaButler
@EannaButler 2 жыл бұрын
Super vid as ever. But man sequencing the program change is class! Amazing it reconfigured the voice quickly enough to make the sound work! Excellent 👍
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
I was expecting the lag in program changes to be too great given it was 1985, but it totally worked!
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic I think there's some sort of "bloat effect" with modern gear, which makes it take longer even though it's way faster. I often say to people that Windows 98 had software that was often more responsive than what we use now, and it's true. The machines were slower back then, but they had WAY less to do, and when they weren't crashing and bluescreening all over the place they were quite nippy.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
@@macronencer Absolutely! I remember a programmer telling me how crazy efficient they had to be when the resources were so limited and how everyone got lazy when the specs improved because you could get away with it.
@macronencer
@macronencer 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic Spot on! I'm a software developer and I started my career in 1988 so I've seen it all happen :) Every byte counted in those days...
@infindebula
@infindebula 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic A lot of old polysynths can do program change sequences very musically. I've tried it on the JX-3P, Juno-106 and Poly-800. I've only ever done it using MIDI though.
@ChurchOfTheHolyMho
@ChurchOfTheHolyMho 2 жыл бұрын
I always find it funny what our ears like compared to others... A few friends had purchased Poly 800s/ Polly 800 MkIIs - and I didn't like the sound.... Wasn't a Korg fan... until the DW-8000, and I had to have one myself. Nice to hear its little baby brother sounding pretty darn good when used in the hands of a skilled artist. Nice!
@taggartjs
@taggartjs 2 жыл бұрын
Totally agree with your workflow statement. My first synth was a 6000 and it gave me a great head start on learning synth programming. Plus, I came up with some pretty killer sounds back in the day, if I do say so myself. In college, in 198-something, we used a Tascam 1/2 eight track, so we learned pretty fast what was important to the song and what could be tossed out. Yes, I feel that some of that old hardware actually improved my writing and arranging skills. However, OUR drum machine at the college was a DMX. Lots of fun! I’ve still got my 6000 AND I just bought another one about a year ago (the original one needs some work). Anyway, thanks for the trip down memory lane!
@EspenKraft
@EspenKraft 2 жыл бұрын
Miss my old DW-6000 watching this Alex. ;-) Great demo!
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Better to have loved and lost...
@jabelsjabels
@jabelsjabels 2 жыл бұрын
I love sequencing program changes. The MS2000 can get a similar effect, and it gives me maximum Max Tundra vibes I think
@HiGlowie
@HiGlowie 2 жыл бұрын
Ms2000 is a beast. (Yes, I know the whole people calling synths “beasts” thing and I think it’s hilarious)
@lennytabtwoo9686
@lennytabtwoo9686 2 жыл бұрын
Here's the sound of two hundred pounds of vintage synths routed through ten thousand pounds worth of other equipment. Not picking on you as I know that's basically the only way you can get a usable result. I once played around with an old Casio toy using a full studio of effects and synths worth nearly $500k with the help of two sound engineer friends. Nothing of the original sound source was basically left, but that $20 toy sure sounded great. Love your videos, please keep up the good work as I'm living in the Dictatorship of Australia were most of us are still locked up and going stir crazy without the great entertainment you provide.😎
@battleandroid
@battleandroid 2 жыл бұрын
It's always nice to see a DW-6000 getting work.
@CatFish107
@CatFish107 2 жыл бұрын
Always a lovely time when we get a new Alex video! Cheers fella
@pedllz
@pedllz 2 жыл бұрын
This is great!...I used to own a DW800 and a Korg Percussion...and also used the sync to sequence the 8 programs within the bank. The good thing was that when changing the program the envelopes were not re-triggered...so it was more like a wave sequencing...before the Wavestation
@cortical1
@cortical1 2 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. I bought the Korg SuperDrums when they were new. Can't tell you how valuable they were initially for helping me learn bass (learning to sync tightly and groove as a full rhythm section) and then later making my own music with a Tascam cassette 4-track recorder. All those limitations, as you said, forced me to become a better writer, producer, and arranger. And the results speak for themselves. I led several bands in the 80s called Dudes Incognito, Red Gemini, and Fallout. Under my leadership, Fallout enjoyed uninterrupted anonymity, sharing stages in Tempe, Arizona with fellow obscurities Not On My Watch, To Each His Bone, and my personal favorite 80s band name: Gorby's Red Splotch. Ah, simpler times. Cheers.
@johnrobinson5672
@johnrobinson5672 2 жыл бұрын
Please tell me those band names are for real!?
@cortical1
@cortical1 2 жыл бұрын
@@johnrobinson5672 All real, for better or worse. Also all completely unfindable on the internet. That's how popular we were.
@bluegroove777
@bluegroove777 2 жыл бұрын
Best comment I've read in awhile. Cheers.
@rachelar
@rachelar 8 ай бұрын
The DW6000 sounds surprisingly like a Poly61 at times
@marial8235
@marial8235 10 ай бұрын
My first band used the DW &DD1 plus a Korg Sqd sequencer as basically the rhythm section. I played a 106 and CZ1000.
@Lu_Woods
@Lu_Woods 2 жыл бұрын
Love the low budget innovations. I can spend hours playing with the Casio Sk-1
@johnrobinson5672
@johnrobinson5672 2 жыл бұрын
Not so low these days.
@KarlBate
@KarlBate 2 жыл бұрын
Especially loved the 80's video and computer insert video, very much gave it the feel of the era. 👏
@ReadAndReturn
@ReadAndReturn 2 жыл бұрын
I had a DW6000 for about 2 days about 2 years back. Didn't even have the chance to play it as it showed up completely destroyed in shipping.. I was so sad as it was my first truly 80's synth. Glad to hear one in action though on this channel! Great job as usual!
@leegreveson
@leegreveson 2 жыл бұрын
Back in my secondary school days, the music department had a Yamaha V50 workstation synth. 8 trk sequencer plus separate rhythm track FM 4 op tone generation. It's what got me into making my own music, and certainly didn't seem limited at the time (89-93). I bought one again a couple of years ago, and whilst I still remembered how to use it all this time later, just wasn't the same magic that came from it. I sold it again (the sequencer memory wasn't working anyway, the whole point of getting it was to sequence). However, what I will say is, I nearly always start a Logic project with 8 midi tracks not including drum tracks. Not saying I limit myself to 8 all the time, but just a habit. I'm never parting with my Roland D-50 though and an MC300 I need to get retrofitted with USB storage device
@bereantrb
@bereantrb 2 жыл бұрын
The DW-6000 was my first synth, purchased in high school with lawn mowing money. In the 1990s sold it and bought a used DW-8000 which I still have-brilliant synth.
@jbognap
@jbognap 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant bit re: short triggers to simulate wave sequencing. Back in the 80's I used to use the same concept using a TR-606 with a Pro-1, Poly-61 and JX-3P sync and advance the in built-in sequencers and arpeggiators. It's this kind of discovery that is less likely to occur when you have millions of options at your fingertips.
@KeyRides
@KeyRides 2 жыл бұрын
That´s gold - and the "mini" song is just beautiful!
@dionysiaex5538
@dionysiaex5538 2 жыл бұрын
I've always thought you and Pat Sharp had something in common. And there he is!!
@MusicMindset
@MusicMindset 2 жыл бұрын
8:32 The song we didn't know we needed right now :-) Thanks for this Alex!
@haroldkarl6708
@haroldkarl6708 2 жыл бұрын
I used to own a Korg DW 6000. I loved it, but always lusted after its bigger brother the DW 8000.
@TDRKB
@TDRKB 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Alex, that's a lot of Korg Gear. The 1980's have a lot to answer for. Lots of work on this one as usual and entertaining. I love the Program Change Hack. Espen Kraft would be proud of you.
@hearseforhire
@hearseforhire 9 ай бұрын
I’ve had a DW6000 since about 1995. Wouldn’t sell it for anything. It is capable of crazy stuff if you dive into it a bit. Mostly have used it for really slimy weird pads and fat leads.
@danielpirone8028
@danielpirone8028 2 жыл бұрын
Used the pedal/ program feature on my Sequential 6 Track all the time
@petercarrington948
@petercarrington948 2 жыл бұрын
I had a korg dw6000 in 1986 and loved it. I also had a Roland juno 6 and a Roland TR505. I always preferred the dw6000 over the juno 6 which to me had a thin sound.
@thelysdal
@thelysdal 2 жыл бұрын
The cool thing about the DW-6000 is that all the waves are just stored on an EPROM, I've modified mine such that it has several sets of waves you can switch between :)
@georgegeorgio1751
@georgegeorgio1751 Жыл бұрын
Put up a vid with some patches you created with the new waves.
@KarlozWatson
@KarlozWatson Жыл бұрын
Could you link to some instructions on how to do that? I’ve been wanting to do it on mine but can’t find any information on it.
@thebreathalyzer
@thebreathalyzer 2 жыл бұрын
As a long time DW8000 owner (and general Korg fan) loved this video so much!!! I spend a lot of time demoing the DW6000 and ended up grabbing the DW8000 to get the aftertouch and digital delay. Great sounding synths and there's a nice emulation now the Full Bucket FB-7999. Great observation about how working within imitations can stimulate creativity.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Shawn. Yes, quite interesting synths. I'm hoping to try the 8000 at some point.
@imlxh7126
@imlxh7126 2 жыл бұрын
Damn...I know the DW-6000 waveforms are built into the microkorg, but the DW's filter sounds SO much more juicy 😳
@georgegeorgio1751
@georgegeorgio1751 Жыл бұрын
And different output stage and analog chorus so it will sound much different.
@infindebula
@infindebula 2 жыл бұрын
I own some far more expensive synths, but the DW-6000 has always been a 'secret weapon' of mine. It's not really flexible but it is definitely unique. Putting bright digital waves through a resonant analog filter was a really 80s thing to do, and I love it. You can use the resonance to emphasize strange, inharmonic components of some of the waves, especially near the top and bottom of the keyboard where you get artifacts and aliasing. The ESQ-1/SQ-80 take that sound to another level of course, but without those beautiful DW filters.
@drbop6951
@drbop6951 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds great - but as you’ve noted you probably could have done this with a VL Tone with that vast studio support behind this. Maybe your effects should have been included in the budget and only a straight recorder used as the only additional gear. I did a BBC4 documentary soundtrack just with a Korg Electribe 2 that cost me £120. Wasn’t amazing but the client loved it and it did sound great in the mix. So your point stands - it’s down to what you do with what you have. Congrats on a great channel.
@TheHorseValse
@TheHorseValse 2 жыл бұрын
Sequencing programs is a fantastic idea! Great video with a takeaway: It's not about the gear or the price of it! :)
@krokmouthedragon9258
@krokmouthedragon9258 2 жыл бұрын
Woaw ! I waiting for that for years ! Thank you so much ! Of course, a great vidéo
@manupod71
@manupod71 2 жыл бұрын
My first synth was a poly-800 . I know , it's not the "best" synth in the world ... But it's still in my heart and , 30 years later ... i still have it .
@dkba52
@dkba52 2 жыл бұрын
me too.
@ChromosomeSyndicate
@ChromosomeSyndicate Жыл бұрын
The Poly 800 is a lovely synthesizer.
@doctorhook4022
@doctorhook4022 6 ай бұрын
Same here
@aleksamrkela831
@aleksamrkela831 2 жыл бұрын
The intro jam sounds like the one you made with the Jupiter-8! :D Awesome, as always!
@AndreasMeksch
@AndreasMeksch 9 ай бұрын
Using still DW6000. mandatory with effect devices . thx for the class here
@IanWaugh
@IanWaugh 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Alex - Good stuff! Very impressive. The DW-6000 has already gone up in price. Some sold at £290 but most seem to be over £400. That's the power of KZbin 😁
@sssyntax
@sssyntax 11 ай бұрын
Cool vid. The dw6000 is awesome. Loads of great sounds to be made. Very clear, bright and fizzy character to it. Does all the classic analogue sounds most people are after. Like the jx3p and cz5000, its way underated compared to inferior yet over rated synths like the juno series.
@We.Are.Lockhart
@We.Are.Lockhart 2 жыл бұрын
Korg's vintage hybrids (DW-6000, DW/EX-8000, DSS-1) all use a custom analog filter chip (NJM2069) made by Korg, which sounds absolutely wonderful in my ears. The last vintage synth gems that go (or went...) for under 500 planetary credits.
@OverDriveOnline7921
@OverDriveOnline7921 Жыл бұрын
aww, I miss my little DW-6000, was pretty easy to set it up as a wave table synth by using the old Cubase MIDI maps and sysex commands to switch the oscillator waves in real-time. I may have an old copy of Cubase with one of those maps somewhere, though I’m not sure these days. Using it in that way really beefed up the synths sonic pallet
@reverbchorusdelay
@reverbchorusdelay 2 жыл бұрын
That sequencer idea was next level
@12opsynths
@12opsynths 2 жыл бұрын
Great chord changes and a fun exercise! This is what synth kids in the 80s were working with. Sometimes my guitar playing friend would bring his ART FX box over and we would non-lin it into submission.
@normanbriscoe8261
@normanbriscoe8261 2 жыл бұрын
Ahh Mate, gotta love that vocal synth melodies, chopping it up for 80,s real, gorg.......
@deastman2
@deastman2 2 жыл бұрын
The DW-6000 was my first synth back in the mid-80’s. I’ve long maintained that it was the worst sounding synth ever. In hindsight, there was nothing wrong with its bright additive sound and resonant LPF, but it simply wasn’t the Roland sound which was popular at the time. More recently I’ve added a DW-8000 and EX-8000 to my collection, along with the truly fantastic DW-8P programmer. With some effects, and especially when layering a couple of patches together, these synths can produce some beautiful sounds!
@herrMarfil
@herrMarfil 2 жыл бұрын
nice and elegant, as usual. you are my comfort digital musical and educational realm. thanks from rome
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks from England!
@herrMarfil
@herrMarfil 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic ❤️
@bert_wert
@bert_wert 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant end result! Big fan of the program up connected to a sequencer. Thats just really brilliant!
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@jemandhuman5039
@jemandhuman5039 2 жыл бұрын
As we see there are NO excuses for lacking creativity! Nicely done video and a good gear choice as well, cheers.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jemand, much appreciated.
@LorenEngo
@LorenEngo 2 жыл бұрын
The program sequence via foot switch is a brilliant idea! Very interesting and creative.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I saw that short trigger symbol and recognised it from hooking up sequencers and so....boom! It worked.
@neale5j
@neale5j 2 жыл бұрын
I remember waaaay back in about 1987 when I got a Casio CZ-101 and that was about it. I borrowed a 4-track and had a couple of guitar fx pedals and, happy days, I HAD to be creative. Shame the 101 caught fire…
@amakat16
@amakat16 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see more of these, limitations really bring out great creativity
@Musikkeller-Innsider
@Musikkeller-Innsider 2 жыл бұрын
Very instructive, Mr. Ball, very instructive! (And a nice song too)
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Vim-Wolf
@Vim-Wolf 2 жыл бұрын
I really must dig out my Poly 800II - so much on the DW looked like it, although they are very different synths.
@fiddlestickzmuzik
@fiddlestickzmuzik 2 жыл бұрын
always love watching you do your thing.
@nobodynoone2500
@nobodynoone2500 2 жыл бұрын
Not sure you helped the drums all that much, but the process was the gold. I always got better basses out of that thing but i remember not liking it and quickly traded it and bought another juno. This time the super secret under-rated Roland MKS-7. Some unholy combination of Juno 106, 707, and extra bass channel. Worthy of a vid in of itself. Using shit (or just limited) gear is awesome. You learn way more about it. great vid.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Funny you should say that..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWbYZ2eum8aNmaM
@anderswikholm957
@anderswikholm957 2 ай бұрын
Some of the waveforms from DW-6000 are - sort of - in the Prophet VS. According to Chris Meyer they didn't nick them from ROM, but looked at the images on the front panel and tried to recreate them with an additive synthesis program. Those waveforms are in Behringer VS mini and Victor module today. Rumours says that Korg nicked the synth bass waveform from a popular Synclavier sound. Though I have many polys, the DW-6000 is still extremely important. It floats over massive soundwalls without muddying things up. Snappy "digital synth" sounds that still sounds rounded because the analogue filters are really impressive. Sadly the 6000 is not velocity sensitive like the DW-8000, but the waveforms in the 6000 are more "far out". The filters are Korg's very SSM inspired chip. The chorus is the same as in Poly-800.
@LouisSerieusement
@LouisSerieusement 2 жыл бұрын
yeaaah ADBSSR !! I love those, especially when you got several of them :D Very cool video Alex thanks !
@frizzmoy
@frizzmoy Жыл бұрын
One year on and I'm about to get another DW6000. Hope you took good care of that one
@Mark_Ocain
@Mark_Ocain 2 жыл бұрын
Great demo as always, Alex! Amazing how you jazzed up some otherwise 'ordinary' sounds with a few time-based effects. It all sounded nice and full in the mix.
@mutantpixel4063
@mutantpixel4063 2 жыл бұрын
If I could rate this video with my face, it would be a big smile from ear to ear. Something special about good songs made on crappy gear, bravo! Excellent job.
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
😃
@johnnydekock
@johnnydekock 2 жыл бұрын
Love the track you put together.
@izzzzzz6
@izzzzzz6 9 ай бұрын
Got a Juno Stage for €250 the other day. What a synth highly recommended!
@tedmuss
@tedmuss 2 жыл бұрын
mate....that mini song track is gorgeous, great vid! : )
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
$200/year for new gear is what I've budgeted for myself beginning back around 2005. It's amazing what I've been able to find in local classified ads and at garage(boot) sales etc. I've also collected multiple super crappy keyboards and traded them up for one less crappy keyboard. Some of my best sub-two hundred dollar finds: Moog MG-1 $100 Alpha Juno-1 $100 Akai AX73 $200 Univox MiniKorg (traded a couple $50 Speak-n-Spells for it) Roland D-50 Free (was gifted to me when I helped a neighbour move)
@AlexBallMusic
@AlexBallMusic 2 жыл бұрын
Nice approach and the D-50 sounds well deserved. Good times.
@lo-firobotboy7112
@lo-firobotboy7112 2 жыл бұрын
@@AlexBallMusic It was wrapped in an old carpet. The owner said she knew I like old keyboards and I could have whatever was in the rug. I didn't even unroll it until a got home. I was so surprised I almost dropped the damn thing.
@SisterRose
@SisterRose 2 жыл бұрын
that DW6000 seems like an incredibly vaporwave synth ngl, particularly the chimey sound you used here
@georgegeorgio1751
@georgegeorgio1751 Жыл бұрын
6000 is great
@larryfinke6133
@larryfinke6133 2 жыл бұрын
Oh Gawd, the DW8000 was my first synth. I loved it and I miss it! Thanks for this vid!
@georgegeorgio1751
@georgegeorgio1751 Жыл бұрын
But he’s not talking about that model only the 6000
@HOLLASOUNDS
@HOLLASOUNDS 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressed by your song there, good work.
@dr.pitcherschemistryvideos1832
@dr.pitcherschemistryvideos1832 Ай бұрын
Roland D-20’s sell for around $250 on Reverb. That would give you LA synthesis (watered down from the D-50), basic drums, and a sequencer. With a floppy disk drive.
@davidnoir188
@davidnoir188 2 жыл бұрын
'see what you can do with limitations' ......looking forward to the programming a DX7 with boxing gloves on vid.
@jamesr2934
@jamesr2934 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic Vid, I loved the way you used a sequencer to cycle through the presets to make modulation and movement - pure genius! I recently downloaded a free version of the Kawai K1 VST and started to write a song with just that one synth having inspired by watching a couple of excellent KZbin vids (Espen Kraft and also Bad Gear) about the K1 last year. Blending the sounds together and adding effects, you can get some pretty useable synthwave sounds. You have now inspired me to go back to this song and finish it (out of the many many unfinished projects I have 'ongoing' !!! 🙂). As always thanks for the vid!
@philipedelmann397
@philipedelmann397 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, wonderful song
@kikkirow
@kikkirow 2 жыл бұрын
That was very Tame Impala sounding. Great job!
@bullet0657
@bullet0657 2 жыл бұрын
love the bit quest with my synths.
@everpuremusic
@everpuremusic 2 жыл бұрын
That DW-6000 is such an underrated synth. That bass has quite some low end! And yes, that drum machine is probably only useful when being sampled, processed and then played with some velocity dynamics - preferably in an MPC. ;)
@terminalbliss
@terminalbliss 2 жыл бұрын
A few thoughts on this. 1. Alex Ball can make any synth or drum machine sound good, by using creativity and arrangement. 2. Instead of this drum machine, getting better free drum samples (including the good ones Alex has done) is probably a much better option. But to his point here, try processing them creatively to get interesting results (or mixing and matching instead of just being limited to an 808 or whatever) 3. I have many analog synths, but listening to this dw8000, there are definitely plugins (even free ones) that can yield better results, so don't let the lack or being able to afford a vintage prophet 5 or whatever be your excuse to making music
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