Alfa Romeo Giulia Reigns King! Huge Track Car Comparison

[@heinedenmark]

I think it has been estabilized that the Giulia Quadrifoglio is a beast by now :)

[@lexus_offroad_adventures]

ferrari sedan

[@IsmaelMartinezPR]

No real 3 series at the track, ummm

[@crlourenco88]

Albert S. Thats racism

[@DarkMan2555]

More like Alfa sedan with a Ferrari heart

[@zioazalin]

Giulia is a feminine name, so she should be the Queen, not the King ;)

[@zioazalin]

nah, it's just Giulia is a pretty common name here in Italy. It's just as Julia ^^"

[@mrhandles3]

Zio Azalin so you pick masculine names for your car? Thats pretty gay

[@zioazalin]

nope, we use feminine names. Car is feminine in Italian.

[@ardencarling9316]

Did you just assume it's gender?

[@zioazalin]

as far as I know, as soon as cars were introduced to the market, there has actually been a meeting to decide just that (Italian doesn't have neutral: it's either masculine or feminine, for anything).

[@heinedenmark]

A friend of mine got a Giullietta with the same engine as the Abarth. A 'simple' remap and he now have 190hp and 290nm. Plus, a much better trottle-response and a more linear power-delivery. The diffenrens from stock is quite remarkable.

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

Remap does wonders on most FCA engines. The throttle-response is lacking for modern ones due to fuel economy targets.

[@MBakugames90]

I'm impressed with the GSF. Lexus is the looked over brand. When you get passed by one you have to look twice and be like was that a Lexus. Lexus is the only Sedan that is not in this Horsepower war and still beating out 100 to 200 Horse power difference.

[@AHMEDMOOSAJI]

Albert Johnson true everyone is blinded and can't this k they just buy the 3 German trio it's more for a badge and they don't realise the Lexus has much more features style and reliability than the rest

[@Dseated]

Love the overlays keep up the great work

[@apestasguey]

we are so lucky to have this channel. thanks to the creator.very well engineered reviews.only thing left is to build a car company. I'd definitely invest in it

[@bikefzx2132]

It took me a moment to realize what was missing - THE SOUND of these beautiful machines. Not that your voice isn't beautiful but that mechanical symphony would have improved my experience here.

[@jacoblee874]

do a video of different throttle bodies like the slider and roller barrel style would be cool video since with them their is no blockage until valves so great airflow and why we don't use them now since it would technically be more efficient since its better airflow

[@jakegarrett8109]

1 word: Turbo. Turbos are very cheap ($150 for a cheap one on ebay if you're feeling adventurous and have the scrap metal for pipes and tubing). Even a poorly setup turbo is going to blow past any minor gains in different throttle bodies. Valves are probably the biggest blockage to begin with anyways, they are usually horrible, so that's actually what would allow the most benefit. That's why performance cams are a good idea if you want some more power, because the valves with standard lift and duration are usually not the best (especially on older cars). I think the throttle body would be about like comparing double vs tripple Holly/Eddlebrock intake headers. There isn't a big enough difference adding a 3rd carburator for such a tiny gain (when all 3 carbs are perfectly tuned, and tuning 2 carbs would be annoying enough).

[@savagegeese]

Is there a reason why you left the Pacifica Hybrid lap times off the chart?

[@AaronAnonymous]

savagegeese is there a reason why KZbin hasn't given you a check mark next to your profile name yet? Enjoy the content 👍

[@Bisofication]

Sup SavageGeese.

[@FrostyRosty93]

Looking forward to your Giulia Quadrifoglio review :)

[@ARentz07]

Disappointing about the LC, but when you look at the weight, plus the fact that it's a more lux-oriented machine, not terribly surprising. I also wasn't terribly surprised by the Jag - they are known for being a handful at the limit. Think you'll ever get the S2000 out on a circuit?

[@afrosheenix]

ARentz07 the LC is a grand touring coupe, the LCF will be the one to take to track days.

[@ARentz07]

Exactly, I am excited to see what the F version will be like!

[@DarkMan2555]

Hopefully, Lexus will make the LCF lighter

[@PuffinDragun69]

I'm noticing the gains in the gym Jason, keep it up!

[@ssr1680]

Great review, well explained

[@bigguix]

nice video. i had to google all the vehicles you were talking about though because i do not know what they look like. Maybe a picture for 2-3 seconds when you switch model ? tyvm, wil check out that 2nd channel.

[@IsmaelMartinezPR]

Specially the Giulia

[@jyalpert]

If you ever come back out to MRLS, you're welcome to drive my prepped NC Miata as well. Also, now that you're driving more on track, is it inevitable you'll end up driving in Lemons and reviewing that?? I did an arrive and drive in a Yugo at Lemons last weekend and it was a blast - highly recommended as a logical next step.

[@fernandofragoso4118]

Strange because the weight i saw here in Europe was more or less 1550kg or 3400pound average.... They did provide it without the carbon hood and roof there? that could raise a bit the weight but not even close to 200kg.

[@randombloke10]

Fernando Fragoso one in the U.K. Was weighed in at 1680 including the carbon seats so it's just the usual Italia weighing standards 😂 take them with a pinch of salt but what really matters is the drive and there it beats everything

[@c6drives180]

Fernando Fragoso thats too light

[@truantray]

Fernando Fragoso US spec cars are heavier due to steel requirements in crash cage.

[@fernandofragoso4118]

okleydokley Its a bit strange because its already used in the car conception. in fact Giulia is among of the most safer cars in the segment if not the most safe at the date of the test. all i know is that in europe is lighter than the M3 for more than 100kg. maybe there its not sold with the carbon roof and hood as standard.

[@fernandofragoso4118]

It use to be stricter mate, but they're not stricter today. Actually the Crash Test requirements in the US are a bit stricter than the European. But yes the European in average use to be stricter and probably will be anytime soon when they make a new revision in the tests.

[@sergioserramusic]

I've never been an Alfa Romeo fanboy, despite being Italian, but the Giulia is one of the best fast sedans available today. Some say it's better than an M3, especially if it is your only car, it's much more comfortable when not in sport mode, while the M3 is a pain when driving on long distances. Now I want to see a hatchback from Alfa as good as the Giulia!

[@Grenyas]

Damn. Your Engineering Explained Extra channel just blew up my subscription feed

[@gaberon1]

awesome video

[@vipermoon_]

Thanks for this

[@PapotsGarage]

Cool video, I hope you know how lucky you are to experience this kind of day ! But, in what kind of trackday are you allowed to drive with the window opened ?!

[@frijolitodr]

Funny happen to find a dealer near my training section so went into the dealer and had a nice convo with the main salesman, grab the nice booklet & hopefully by fall I have 1.

[@tonysibichen9257]

great camera angle😂 and track day!!

[@kman5711]

You need to get your hands on a Lotus Evora 400. Guarantee that car will absolutely blow you away!!!

[@MrRaitzi]

Why no footage from Alfa? I was bit confused as showed MB and talked about Alfa. Rest of the cars and talk matched though.

[@pedrofernandez3893]

Turning this platform into the upcoming 300, Charger and Challenger may be FCA's saving grace.

[@Questchaun]

love that car so much. if only.

[@robertobianco3833]

Alfa Romeo is back!!

[@KevinSmith-qi5yn]

I am excited about the Fiat 124 Coupe. Probably gonna be my next car when I am looking for a new one in 3 years. Only have to keep in mind the height issue. I am 6'3".

[@peter.joseph]

A track comparison is simply not a track comparison without a proper BMW ///M car being present. I am quiet disappointed you didn't get to drive a M2, M3 or a M4 in this comparison. I actually wanted to hear your opinion, on BMW's current RWD turbo //M cars. Interesting video regardless, I love your work.

[@peter.joseph]

I am guessing you're referring to the test MotorTrend did. It was a Camaro vs a BMW M4, the short answer to your question: MotorTrend has been BMW haters for a while now, I am following all their reviews, and they love to bash BMW day and night lately. To get a better idea on where BMW ///M stands now, I like to watch international reviews by many car shows from different countries, of the BMW M2, M3 and M4 vs any other car brand out there, 9 out of 10 times the BMW will win the handling department with ease. So yes it's still the benchmark, and it has been the benchmark for the last 20-30 years at least.

[@themattenthehat]

The Camaro DOES handle better, check out the motor trend head 2 head. If I recall correctly, the Camaro accelerates faster, gets around the figure 8 faster, and stops faster. That said, the M cars are still the benchmark sports "sedans" (technically the 2 and 4 aren't sedans). It takes more than one generation of not being the best to destroy a pedigree.

[@themattenthehat]

Latvietis96 I went back and you're right, the BMW won that one. But it was just the Camera SS, I'm pretty sure the ZL1 would beat the m4, but I can't find a direct comparison so I won't actually make any claims.

[@hubpaq]

Different dynos also show different power outputs..hahaha,moron, if they are calibrate . no. bmw ,just the name,and not trustworthy

[@Anttihii]

not anymore Giulia is new benchmark

[@clbgrmn]

Have you checked out the Garmin Virb action camera(s)? They have pretty cool performance overlays that seem like they'd fit your videos well.

[@DeltaSierra426]

Look how that sweet Mopar did :)

[@DJ-so9cg]

Finally someone recognizes alfas

[@afrosheenix]

Dimitrij Jonev they finally had the guts to come back to North America.

[@jadenevans425]

I don't think people give the challenger enough credit I also thought it was going to handle like a boat but I was presently surprised

[@Grumpycat95]

Yes Afla Romeo did a great job with this car , to be honest the interior is kinda copy-pasted from some german cars ..I can't lie about that but we're talking about performance , where this cars beats both bmw and audi.

[@fernandofragoso4118]

Yellow Waffle AQ3D See it live and you will change your mind on the "copy-pasted" issue. plus most of the german references also copy pasted from the 156 sedan in some ways. so....

[@AaronHendu]

3800 lbs is actually lighter than I would have thought...I would have guessed 3900, or even more...it just looks like a heavy luxury car...though a very beautiful one. But I think most (all?) Alfa are very pretty cars.

[@jaki8389]

An outside view of the cars would have been nice, before each segment.

[@tornut24]

4:45 Can you explain this phenomenon in manual cars? It's prevalent in my car and pretty irritating

[@Imaboss8ball]

YepItsTommy I would assume it's because the engine has a large advantage so any amount of throttle input in first gear will cause the car to pull and shock the drivetrain. it won't happen in 5th because the road has a larger advantage. it's kinda like how shifting from 1st into 2nd is generally more rough for a noob then shifting from 4th into 5th.

[@brettcastro97]

I don't exactly know the science behind it, but it's simply your car going in and out of engine braking like it does in every gear. It's just so prevalent in first gear because of the significantly different gearing.

[@epiphonesg007]

it's just play in the drivetrain... How bad it is depends on how fast the throtthle reacts, how short the first gear is,...

[@RandomGenera7ed]

To add to what others mentioned, automatic don't do this very much because of the torque converter​ which is much better at transmitting power from the engine to wheels and not the other way around

[@mcrsit]

Well, if it's too prevalent maybe you should get the transmission seatings checked.

[@sergiomadureira9985]

And I see you drove the Alfa just in Dynamic mode, if you'd put it in Race you would feel the grunt and do an even better time ! But I understand why you didnt, as selecting race disables all electric safety features. FYI check its time around the Nurburgring, broke record of saloon ctg and was faster than markee cars with a lot a much bigger engine and price tag. Well done Alfa, cant wait for the review of the new Guilia GTA, altough that one its not so daily friendly and its exclusivity will put its price tag up there.

[@Phos9]

The Mazda package is probably more expensive because I suspect the BBS wheels are forged.

[@dovydaskrupauskas8174]

Can you do a video explaining if it's more worth it to turn your car off or to idle when waiting for a green light?

[@pinkyrohilla7441]

someday can you do a Lamborghini road test, please.

[@40seconds25]

Noise ordinance? Why the hell does that exist on a race track?

[@engine555]

40 Seconds ...its a Laguna Seca specific issue....residents have got that rule put on years ago and recently extended the validation..... Couple cars had an issue with noise while i was tracking.... First offense is a warning, second time and you are done for the day...they are very strict about it

[@40seconds25]

Oh wow. I've heard of something similar before. Goddamned urban sprawl.

[@swayingGrass]

Are you still doing the old style car reviews? Merc C-class, BMW 3 series, perhaps Honda Odyssey. You know, daily cars.

[@jasonyoung6420]

I'd love to see your s2k run against these times.

[@EngineeringExplained]

+Jason Young haha, probably be floating in the 2:10's with the BRZ/86 duo. Similar power/weight. Though I do have much better tires at the moment!

[@jasonyoung6420]

with the better tires and different rear drive ratio, and the fact that you are more familiar with it I think it would surprise you; I think you would be at least in Miata/Fiata territory

[@TheSuburban15]

It looked, for a minute, like he was wearing a tux with French cuffs.

[@themattenthehat]

Interesting that you were stuck behind/passing that c63 AMG at the end. Whoever was driving that might not really fit in at a track event :p

[@GBux512]

Oh. My. Gosh. Did you say 6'1"?! 💞💓❤️

[@JoshTaylor]

We've (RightFootDown) been saying that the Giulia's success is purely attributed to the 60 UTQG tires. Let's see what happens when owners replace them with a more streetable and usable tire. The car won't be so impressive then.

[@pauldtaeza]

I have one with Michelin PS4s and yes it's freaking impressive still. The steering really separates the car. Turns like a mid engined supercar.

[@austina4189]

Should've gotten air on that s-curve just like I do in forza

[@engine555]

Before watching the EXTRA, i am wondering how you did so well with the X4..... The 540 disaster was probably due to you not being familiar with the nicest track I have driven in the USA...

[@carlostraba2851]

who else noticed the squirrel??

[@JJ-ey3dg]

how about that challenger TA beating out the C63! Wow!

[@roochiecooch]

I saw in another review of the Miata derived Fiat that it uses an older generation Miata manual transmission, where the new Miata has an all new, far better, transmission. I think a way to make them both different since Mazda probably prefers to save the best for their brands iconic little car that has such a cult following. Even if the volume numbers are not near what some cars like a corolla or civic or F150 are, it is equally important for the brand.

[@YZJB]

Yung Padawan They both use the same gearbox

[@HAL-dm1eh]

"4 Leaf Clover Version" < -- That's why it won. You gotta have that Irish luck on yer side.

[@MrErickart]

Can you explain the engineering behind crampe?

[@Williampreza]

Is the "Hooked On Driving" helmet your personal one? If so, do you like them for track days?

[@davidhicks3806]

Alright bro, it is time to use your incredible explanation and sound testing skills to finally settle once and for all if hood spacers are actually a worth while mod for engine air temperatures under the hood. No major tests have been done and no KZbinr has tested whether or not it works or is a fluke.

[@Saint19836]

you look back at me?

[@donpedro187]

Thumbs up for 4k!

[@yousefhelmy1187]

that track is a map in real racing 3

[@commanderoof4578]

Would it be safe to add a clutched supercharger at 5psi to a Suzuki alto 2009-present (engaged when needed for example motorways and overtaking) Stock engine dual fuel pump

[@OscarLeeMX]

You didn't talk about the C63.

[@gatoradeee]

Team Mx5 stand up!

[@Montblanc1986]

I'm a little over 6 1 and I can't fit my leg under the wheel of the Miata they are shoved into the corners

[@ViroTalent]

No comment about the C63 AMG in your video... How come?

[@willvanhouten8998]

It's the eight six, as in AE86 or hachiroku, not eighty six

[@diazzsama]

C63 AMG didn't make the cut for the list?

[@Captain_Coleslaw]

I am amazed you weren't the fastest in the C63, it should by far be the best car on track, out of all the ones you tested (Its the most expensive so it should be). Ive driven the C63 S Coupe, and for its size, its incredibly planted, and its got such an insane powercurve, pretty much 500 hp at all times. I also cant believe you kept up the pace in the challenger, since that is a boat, not matter how you look at it xD Its impressive compared to what they used to be, but its no sports car, it's still a muscle car, that weighs too much

[@jakegarrett8109]

I think his was a review on handling and how it felt on the corners, not a race. If you don't feel confident in a car, you won't be slamming it around the corners. Same with my road bike. I had garbage stock tires that came with my Bianchi, but I could only describe them as "not confidence inspiring" or "garbage on turns". I replaced them with a Micheline Pro 4 slick race tire, and it was over night and day difference. Those things grip even at 40 degree angles (in a wet puddle) and caught me before I slammed into the ground from a gentle 5 mph turn with my rear stock tire that slipped out. Even if they weren't that amazing, but I thought they were, I would still do better in my races because I think I can go faster and so I will push the tires harder in a criterium race.

[@Anttihii]

c63 isnt best in track, its made for church drivings in sunday for older people

[@jakegarrett8109]

Nah, that would be a Grand Marque. Its impossible to drive them fast. 0 to 60 mph takes around 30 seconds (15-60 took 28 seconds on my cousin's car. I was bursting out laughing the entire time.) Since then he did some work on it, advanced timing etc. and now its probably about as fast as when it was brand new. That car is a boat, air suspension really makes it feel like its floating on something, and body roll, just wow on the body roll... Its terrifying to merge on a highway with that car! And my cousin still claims "its the same engine they put in the Mustangs!". Sure it is, totally feeling all that ~5.7 Liter engine power (I think that's the engine size). That is an old persons car, and I felt bad for him having that as his first car. He was so happy when it needed a repair and gave him an excuse to fix a 1970's pickup.

[@charliematthews5513]

Boise Idaho bro!

[@genericaction]

But where did your s2000 oull up?

[@rolandtimario2362]

What year is the dodge challenger srt 392?

[@leavinghen5725]

How do you get these opportunities ?

[@GG-si7fw]

Use more of the track. I think you will be able to carry more speed.

[@supercarkid]

How was the C63??? Probably the best car there and you didn't even talk about it.

[@caseydill7714]

If you didn't have anything bad to say about the Challenger, it was your 3rd fastest time and it leaves you grinning... what is it always at the bottom of lists?

[@therandompauldude]

You think you can get it around germany's burger-king in 7 minutes? perhaps beat your mazda mazda 3 time?

[@klstrucker930419]

How about brake pedal feel in the Gulia? I've heard many people complaining about it. Also, do you really need a second channel?

[@motomanb2]

why was the X4 there?

[@kahunakorteze2763]

What does Valve-sonic exhaust mean?

[@alejandrocortes1149]

I was like 90% sure BRZ and 86 were the exact same car, can someone explain me?

[@lululombard]

Damn all these vids spammed me :p

[@johnnyh7883]

What do you use for data ,does the Vbox give you the G force? Thanks

[@EngineeringExplained]

+Johnny Huang g-force from the camera (linked in description).

[@johnnyh7883]

OMG, first time famous KZbinr reply me. I need some VBOX in my life! Thanks

[@Cutlerylover4life1]

no exhaust sound makes me sad

[@Laszek11]

Man you are an engineer not a journalist :) I prefered mechanical context

[@ravenstylea2]

I would never buy a Jag. It never wins or even makes a podium in any competition, and for the price you have so many better alternatives.

[@hectorae86]

Quadrifoglio Verde

[@ArmstrongRacing]

A track review without the use of a talented driver is kinda pointless. you can't compare the cars or lap times effectively without finding their limits.

[@natesmith3717]

Noise ordinance? its a race track..why on earth would they have that

[@robertr.hasspacher7731]

Wonder how much endorsement money this guy gets behind the scenes.

[@ramirobautista890]

rawr

[@gdowns62]

Alpha Romeo sports car

[@DoRC]

hmm. im pretty sure that first car was a mercedes....

[@scook2003]

Need different drivers as well to make this scientific.

[@2ambaby198]

The guilia is priced a little bit too high I don't think it's worth 80k maybe mid 60's at best

[@IsmaelMartinezPR]

Why would FCA would bring the Giulia and not bring the direct competitor specially a BMW 3 series. The F30 chasis although now 5-6 years old is the standard to which the Giulia is fighting. A well rounded 340i or 440i would have hold its own there. However they only brought BMW suv's to a track, what! Wonder why?

[@MrEugenio1994]

Ismael Martinez the web is full of comparisons: almost all of them declared the Giulia the better both on track and on road.

[@IsmaelMartinezPR]

Eugenio A. Nahh real world buys in 2.0L like a 328 the Giulia does not stand a chance. But my point is opportunism by FCA by not bringing the real competitors.

[@miurasvlamborghini]

Question: Why did they allow you on track after your garage mishap?

[@miurasvlamborghini]

I'm a poet.

[@FallenJustice]

BRZ/FRS/86 > *

[@expert20valvehlx]

New Mazda MX5 was made in corp with Fiat.