Why Does It Seem Like Companies Don't Give a SH*T About Job Seekers?

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[@al1665]

I had an HR lady telling me her company is not the unemployment office for laid off people. I told her the unemployment office has better manners and walked out.

[@karmendimas5274]

thats a perfect sign your not to work there, this is nothing but a 'drama' company to work for! be glad you were not hired, they are nothing but incompetent !

[@GItoKeG]

@airthrowDBT lmao everyone I've ever known in HR is more of a revolving door than the typical drone worker anyway. We would ALWAYS have a new HR partner for our department and NONE of them ever lasted more than 6 months.

[@Satarupa902]

She was technically right.

[@Number6_]

Yet another loser company. A lot of these 1 woman bands are only in business so the owner can lord it over others. A sense of entitlement.

[@Satarupa902]

@@Number6_ everyone faces the same, these females are kept for one (or two) reasons only

[@axnyslie]

Calling laid off workers damaged goods is the same mindset of saying a sexual assault victim had it coming.

[@MrGiovanniPollio]

Great analogy :)

[@AfroNerd-cv1dl]

Yeah, very well said. However, in some situations, on case-by-case basis One could say both of these things. It's just not good to be having that type of mindset for an entire group of people

[@MrHousecup]

Damn right! I feel like the message I get is, "Just don't work in America anymore."

[@iLoveHatingYall]

@@MrHousecupMore like don’t work FOR America. Since these companies damn near have no soul just business

[@asadb1990]

This is the reason why i have to often lie about my employment status in most cases.

[@josemanuelmoreno385]

+ Don't hire people who has been layed off. They are damanged goods - Let's hire fresh graduates then + Don't hire those. They don't know anything and we'll need to train them - So... let's hire people who are already working? + Yeah, those! - They ask for $200k and WFH + It's so difficult to find people eager to work and who commit! :/

[@glen4326]

I'm looking for 17 to 18 an hour and no one calls me back.

[@aberod11]

There's a difference between "low performing" and someone who never got the chance to get enough experience.

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

True.

[@yuppers1]

Also many people are high quality but in the wrong job or have the wrong type of manager.

[@aberod11]

@@yuppers1 TOTALLY AGREE!

[@ShellyMcDonnell123]

Most high ranking companies tell lies on their recruiting pages.

[@Meritumas]

they lie during interviews, about positions... then on your first day you get a "nice" surprise

[@RAaaa777]

that why you go through a very exhausting process , some companies told me their process is 8 steps - 8 interviews/tasks. if you dont know how to assess your candidates then you are in the wrong job and field or maybe you need to close your business because you cannot run one@@Meritumas

[@woodrmp1]

“Oh yeah, there’s lots of room for advancement here”😂😂😂😂 5 years later still in the same job lol

[@kekistaniattackhelicopter2242]

Here is the truth about job listings. Companies list open positions for MADE UP jobs. They do that to make it look like there is a vast worker shortage, but they never hire anyone to those positions. They do not need more people to do work. Positions where people actually do useful work are always full. When you see an opening for a position that does not explain what you would be doing, that is the fake job.

[@easygoing6397]

​@@woodrmp1 the company didn't lie on this. There (is) room for advancement (if) you upgrade yourself and act in the proper way.

[@sawyer4981]

Really, we should be avoiding companies that do regular layoffs. Their upper management and executive team is clearly not good at their job.

[@chancepaladin]

this's another way I think they pad the job numbers. "look at all these open positions" yeah no shit look at all the layoffs and turnover!

[@superleipoman]

Divide and conquer.

[@SuprousOxide]

We would have layoffs and then shortly later a hiring push.... I wanted to tell the people I was interviewing to run away

[@MauriceLeviejr]

I’m more worried about companies that have low margins. Profits determine everything

[@GnarledStaff]

@@MauriceLeviejr Sounds like you are part of the problem. Companies try to manipulate their profit margins in order to trick people like you into thinking they are healthy. In reality, getting rid of all the people that know what they are doing in order to cut costs means that problems start happening in those departments. It leads to inferior service, inferior products and inferior companies. But Consistent profit margins attracts investors and companies make more money through duping investors than making anything of value.

[@occupationalhazard]

Companies treat professionals as a burdensome expense, rather than a lucrative source of productive labor. We will remember this when the pendulum swings the other way.

[@s0nnyburnett]

they treat everyone that way from new hire no experience to decades of loyal service with degrees and certifications they do not care.

[@gozimusable1]

Will it ever? Even if you have your own buisness, the government has a hard on to audit you.

[@Green4CloveR]

@@gozimusable1Yes it will. The economy is a pendulum that always swings back and forth.

[@tmac9208]

Until general accounting rules call employees assets it is what it is.

[@vonb2792]

@@tmac9208 omg this lol. I think it used to be in the accounting but in 2000, employeeproductivity was rémoved from Europe accouting Laws (Remember they starting facing aging population in that périod). Employe "contribution" especially in Tech is hard for accountant to measure and balance. Check out Forensic accounting.. youll be astonished out Political accouting can be

[@franklsuarez]

If candidates have a choice, they should ask themselves, "If the hiring manager is bad, how will be working for that company be for the next 10 years."

[@superleipoman]

You shouldn't stay with any company for 10 years.

[@timothythompson4036]

Trust me you won't survive there for 10 years.

[@woodrmp1]

@@superleipomanagree, unless you are getting promoted with more responsibility and pay every 2-3 years

[@renamako8845]

From my experience I’ve learned.. if I’m at an interview and the person of the interview is late… where I’m early or on time… that makes me question how they are at work. You already ruined the first impression being late you’re already at a bad start

[@MannyLoxx2010]

Working somewhere for 10 years sounds boring, uninteresting, unappealling, and down-right foolish!! You need to be moving every 2 to 4 years, max, if not every 18-36 months!!

[@KevinW1985]

As someone who has known people that have gotten job offers pulled from them last minute, I tell people "You are not employed until you are sitting at your desk and actually working."

[@jennifertarin4707]

I had that happen recently. I applied for the job, interviewed several times, got the offer, accepted the offer, MOVED 3,000 MILES, only to get a call Monday night around 5:45 saying that she ran the numbers over the weekend and could no longer afford to hire me, leaving me dangling.

[@KevinW1985]

@@jennifertarin4707 You're not alone. I've known people whose companies either told them to relocate in order to come into the office or be let go only to be laid off after packing up and moving or like you, accept a job offer only for it to be pulled last minute. I learned to never trust what a company says until it actually happens.

[@spankeyfish]

@@KevinW1985 I've seen it from the inside. A UK company I worked for had got a new client that they needed to hire more admins for and one of the hires was a young girl from Italy who'd left her bf and family for this job. After she'd been here for a week or so, the work from the new client failed to materialise and it was revealed that the salesperson who was in charge of the new client was talking bollocks; they'd never got to the point of signing the contract with us. That girl was gone within a month and the salesperson probably went even faster. We were used to the salespeople trying to con ops and stitching us up with shitty contracts but that was a much more advanced level of shenanigans than what we usually experienced.

[@KevinW1985]

@@spankeyfishI feel sorry for the girl. Things like this is why I'm a hard no when jobs ask me if I'd be willing to relocate.

[@InfectiousFight]

I would say, from hard personal experience, not to depend on your job in most states until the start of day 91 of employment. Most states will allow an employer up to 90 days where they can fire you for any reason, with no notice, consequences-free; I've been strung along on a job I was getting invested in and then fired without cause, warning, or notice on the end of day 89 right after signing a lease on a new apartment and having to suddenly replace my car.

[@equinefox179]

My favorite is when a job is listed as “entry level” (with, of course, entry level salary) and requiring 3-5 years experience and a bachelors degree. 😂😂😂 I miss the days of showing up in person to hand a manager your application/ resume.

[@TheFriendOfLucifer]

Saw a job posting for an internship with 5-10 years experience. It was for continental. Granted, for a tranlator position, but wtf?

[@GItoKeG]

Nah the kicker is when they want all that and they're only paying $20-24 an hour (CA wage) or something like that. I'm a drop out of college and I get paid way more than that without the thousands of dollars in debt from student loans. If I had gotten into union and/or trade work I'd be making easily 3 or 4 times that amount.

[@srujan00]

I recently saw a firm offering 50k/year for a CPA with 3+ years experience. It was hysterical.

[@GItoKeG]

@@srujan00 doesn't someone working at McDonalds get paid more than that now?

[@handlesrstupid123]

​@@GItoKeGWhat good fortune. Tried for years to get into a trade union, eventually found some trade work but the pay sucks and so do the hours. I am trying to find my out of trades for good.

[@bessermt]

Low performers are not laid off first... Especially if the company is failing. It's the people who tell the truth that are laid off first because management hates those people when the company is doomed.

[@Liz-wz8dh]

Exactly this. Managers don't want the others to get scared by people talking about what's really happening.

[@kannermw]

Often the individuals laid off first are highest compensated and companies do this to limit their headcount reduction. Then there are managers who join a company and only want people they hired and feel they can trust. The later are the worst because they will trade experience, industry knowledge, and skills to hire their best buds. They use a combination of two tactics to justify laying off long-standing capable employees they perceive are a threat to their authority.

[@flipdbit]

What are you talking about? Everything is perfect. Just ask the people who've been messing things up for the past decade.

[@CaptainSkank]

The irony and lack of self-awareness of incompetent people finding everyone to be incompetent

[@SoCalRegisteredNurse]

lol true

[@yourbodyandu]

Lol.

[@istvanpraha]

Idk I’ve met loads of people with fancy titles and what should be experience but they don’t know a damn thing. Me criticizing it is not the problem

[@CaptainSkank]

@@istvanpraha I don't doubt there are a lot of imposters, but many people do start out that way to get their foot into the door until they're not

[@MacDKB]

100%. There will surely be a shakeout in HR & Hiring, once upper Management catches on to the fact that their existing people are incompetent...

[@MrYFM2]

I think it's truly infuriating how our society is pretty much at the mercy of these toxic employers. Most of the time, we have to tolerate being treated badly, and being miserable or risk starving and or going homeless. Something's gotta give one of these days.

[@sg-zd8eb]

Pretty close to it happening soon too I think.

[@jeffreycone7504]

Right On!!!!!!! I think this country pays way to much compliment to corporations.

[@valdivia1234567]

When you say "something's gotta give", what does that mean?

[@sg-zd8eb]

@@valdivia1234567 probably a strike or economic collapse brought about by too many falling ill and unable to work.

[@edennis8578]

​@@GinoACostaAnd face the consequences. Sure they can do what they want, within legal limits, but then they have to bear the consequences. Bud Light, for one. They did what they wanted, too.

[@Info-God]

I saw a different behaviour from companies. 1. Lay off without cause 2. Position removed hence "layoff" 3. Plain layoff instead of cutting salaries just to pretend the company is doing "well"

[@arianagomez1875]

1. If they lay you off, it is because they don't have more work for you. That's the cause 2. If they removed your position, they don't need it no more 3. People must of the time don't accept salary reduction and keep doing the same amount of work. You know that Questions answered ?

[@tubularbill]

@@arianagomez1875- I don’t agree with any of this at all.

[@Info-God]

@@arianagomez1875 1. Exactly. For me not for others. 2. The same way they create a position (change title btw) it can work in reverse. Why not? Ah. Napoleon syndrome as one of the reasons. 3. Has any company lately cut sslaries? Nope. They laid off but kept the bonusses.

[@sarahrosen4985]

My company created 4 different divisions in different countries with essentially the same products. Canabolizing the sales of each other. What a surprise. When the profits weren't what they wanted to see, just close the products down and lay everyone off. The management should have gone home.

[@Info-God]

@@sarahrosen4985 It was the management who wanted more layers in org chart. And the top managrment bought into it. Then the workers pay such game. I saw it first hand.

[@georgeromey4971]

Let me tell you from very personal experience. First and foremost the "economy is great, the job market is strong" is bogus. If you have very in demand skill then yes recruiters tend to cater towards you, but not always. However, if you have general skills you're a dime a dozen. Recruiters have numbers they must meet (usually unrealistic) and therefore they tend to treat applicants as a commodity. Some recruiters are just clueless.

[@chancepaladin]

they're fudging the unemployment numbers, and the vast majority of jobs out there are ghost jobs and absolutely do not exist in practicality. they're just farming data and/or leveraging it over their existing populations. when this bubble bursts its going to be huge.

[@fremontpathfinder8463]

That's why you need a specific skill / license/ credential- respiratory therapist, Registered nurse, aircraft mechanic, engineer, teacher (in a blue state) pharmacist, having bilingual skills, counseling, etc

[@chrismarcus3058]

The truth is very few applicants out there are as skilled as their salary demands. You should always be learning and advancing your skills to the point you are not easily replaced, then you will be paid as you feel you deserve. The fact an employer is not willing to meet your demands truthfully should remind you were your skills are versus perception. If I can easily replace your skillset with a Craiglist or FB ad, then you're not top talent pay scale. Having conducted thousands of interviews in different verticals. I can tell you that a lot of applicants resumes could literally be shredded in an interview between poor work history (reflects work ethic) and embellishment.

[@fireradfieritis8953]

@@chrismarcus3058 What if jobs are no longer training people to get those skills and, therefore, the higher salary? Should people be made to train on their own time and money when they don't even know if those skills will be useful later? I just wonder how companies expect to get the ideal candidate when no one is willing to teach anymore...

[@chrismarcus3058]

@@fireradfieritis8953 literally the entire world if knowledge is at your own fingertips on your phone browser. the fact you ask, "do this on my own time", let's me know as an employer you would not be a good employee for long term investment. while i went to college, everything I have done in my business the past 25 years I self taught myself. on my credit, on my time. I was not jingling a cup at the offramp looking for someone to hold my wittle hand and lead me to the promise land. that, is why you fail.

[@DrDoomBloom]

Nothing worse than the hiring manager who has no people skills and sees themselves as all knowing. It’s an absolute nightmare to work for those types of individuals.

[@Anamnesis]

I'm going to laugh so hard when HR "professionals" realize how easily they're replaced by AI routines in the not-too-distant future...

[@markanstrom2981]

It's going to be fun to see what kind of inane buzzwords the AIs come up with.

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

AI is going to replace many jobs in the not so distant future.

[@transformativeexperiences]

😂

[@DiscoMouse]

You won’t laugh when you see how ruthlessly the AI HR bot executes their “employer”’s directives.

[@CaptApril123]

Most management can be replaced by AI and most likely will be.

[@jahanas22]

I have found that a lot of companies think of employees as chess pieces that are easily replaceable. Only really good companies show they care.

[@superleipoman]

Name one.

[@whickervision742]

If a company is growing, you're oh so valuable. If they are coasting, that same bipolar company will ignore you and want you to leave.

[@chancepaladin]

I am easily replaceable.. if you want to hire like 10 people and train them for 2 years, and then figure out how to retain them past that.

[@sarahrosen4985]

I wish we were as respected as chess pieces. More like lego when you are barefoot.

[@ianwebb6182]

No companies care. If they could replace you with a cheaper option, they would do it in a heartbeat. Dont believe the HR BS

[@superleipoman]

Looking for my first job has been an eye opener for me. Companies don't want people - I could stop talking - who are excellent in their field. They want people who don't create problems and preferably people who are exploitable. Are you looking for a job? Feign weakness.

[@basedblueboy8770]

This is actually a good advice. Look like a boot licker and appear grateful for your enslavement. You will be hired.

[@yubelwish]

I said the same thing about my last job and shitty former boss. He hire people he assume are vulnerable to treat any type of way.

[@nbo304]

I am so desperate, I will attempt this.

[@chrismarcus3058]

Employers are looking for people who can do a job. They are not interested in hearing about people's personal lives (i.e. pronouns) nor social justice issues. A business requires workers to do specific tasks to make an employers job easier. If you are more of a problem than a solution, you are replaceable. Recruiters do not want to tell you the fact of the matter, but in dealing with thousands of business owners over the years, I can tell you this is how they think.

[@nbo304]

@@chrismarcus3058 so how do I convey to them that I will do the job and not be a problem? I can't even get pregnant and go on maternity leave, do I need to attach paperwork for that? 😁

[@alexkist8607]

The longer my job search goes on the less bad I feel about stretching the truth on my resume. Lying about job responsibilities, lying about the company culture, lying about advancement and raises, discriminating against candidates based on race, sex or employment status, ghosting without remorse, lowballing people after 5+ rounds, stealing labor through unpaid take-home projects, etc. The job seekers that act just as selfishly as employers do are the ones that get hired, pure and simple.

[@maalikserebryakov]

Such plebeian lies are easily exposed with a single phone call. I would spank you out of the office

[@Paul_Wetor]

A manager acquaintance told me he also held the belief that laid-off people were flawed. Until _he_ was laid off - for no reason, without warning. They just picked six people to get rid of. Ironically, he was later hired back by the same company, but he's less of a workaholic now.

[@ELCHDA]

The issue with such discrimination is that they are condemning anyone that had bad luck and/or is not perfect to be homeless. Be a flawless, perfect utility yet willing to work for wages below rent costs or starve to death.

[@Aieshoo]

They don't care.

[@TheRealFeechLaManna]

Age discrimination is a much bigger issue than revealed in these discussions.

[@chriskater]

Ghosting is the worst practice, and it says a lot about the "professionalism" that these "prestigious" companies have. Is it that complicated of a task to send an email to your candidate after 2 or 3 interviews to let him know that the process is over and they chose someone else? Huh? Is it that difficult?

[@ralucaifrim4916]

This is what happened to me i’ve been ghosted after the first stage interview by a famous management consultancy. Better, otherwise i would be so depressed to work with toxic people. Our time and energy is more important and we should not trade it working for firms that do not respect employees

[@essence174]

I was ghosted after a company asked me when I would be available for the third and final interview. Why even ask my availability and say you had a great time speaking with me when you are going to ghost me. Ridiculous!!

[@cjanquart]

If you're a guy and have tried online dating, you know all about ghosting.

[@se2664]

Exactly and I’m pretty sure those ADP and whatever software they use can schedule emails to send

[@eva_in_the_rain]

@@cjanquart Bitter?

[@1320pass]

All angled to pay you as little as possible to get the most possible from you. I've been laid off 3 occasions with 3 separate companies. Turns out I wasn't the damaged goods, they were. 'Were'.. They are all out of business and dissolved. I'm still in business...

[@novash653]

Ironically the most recent videos you've released recently have really related to me alot, I'm moving out of IT into a delivery driver job soon due to out of touch management who are pushing customer service and micromange to the nth degree. Company values you're right rarely get followed through, sure it's a slight paycut I'm taking but it's hourly paid over salaried so I get paid what I work.

[@chancepaladin]

yeah salary is death by 1000 cuts

[@cjanquart]

I had an interview where one of the interviewers (three person panel) asked "did you really work at XYZ Company? We've interviewed lots of people that worked there and I don't think you've worked there". I told them I wouldn't falsify my work history and she replied "I don't believe you." I stood up and left. Only occurrence but I'm thinking they wanted to rattle people just to see how they'd react, but it was an entry level job for Allstate.

[@jermainemyrn19]

Corporations will purposely pay you a wage they know you can't live on. They will not offer you any benefits because "what you gonna do about it". They have no regard for your time or investment into your education even though they directly benefit from it. Corporations literally hate workers because they wish they didn't need them. They literally want to not invest in you and expect maximum effort from the worker. If you really sit there and think about it, most degree holders don't even start at 100k which is apparently so important to the employer. You educate yourself just so the employer can get more out of you for less. We are basically the whores in a brothel. The owner of the brothel convinced the whores to better themselves only to the benefit of the owner of the brothel. The owner of the brothel is laughing his ass off with multiple homes, boats and general excess. They need you, but they hate that they need you. They hate all the whores because they see them all as useless outside of making money for himself. Corporations do this intentionally it's because corporations are more like children, but no one is forcing them to do the right thing lawfully. That's why all of this is happening. They simply do. Not. CARE.

[@theblaqkhaleesi9559]

And this is exactly why they're trying so hard to replace humans with AI. IBM just laid off 30% of its comms and marketing dept, where (ironically) people skills and deep understanding of human psychology are *most* needed. They'll do anything to avoid treating employees like human beings, now they're relying on AI to avoid hiring humans in the first place while C-suite bluebloods get richer by simply directing AI. Income inequality is about to upend the American society.

[@jermainemyrn19]

100% Agree and society will shoot up in crime and they will still act confused.​@@theblaqkhaleesi9559

[@AnaSchultz-kx9tq]

Perfect!!!!!

[@LordSiravant]

They won't admit it, but what they REALLY want is slaves. Workers they don't have to pay and can abuse and replace as needed. AI doesn't need to be paid, nor does it complain about mistreatment.

[@jackcarraway4707]

Everyone talks about how "loyalty is dead" and all that stuff. Loyalty never existed. Look at ANY old cartoon where a boss is part of the plot, ie Spacely and Cogsworth from the Jetsons and Slate from the Flintstones; total douchebag that makes their workers miserable.

[@chancepaladin]

"why do you have this gap in your employment, we aren't going to hire you" next. "why do you have this gap in your employment, we aren't going to hire you" next. "why do you have this gap in your employment, we aren't going to hire you"

[@n.d.7931]

In my last interview I was asked " what have you been doing all this time?!" Wtf do you think I've been doing? Frolicking in a field of daisies while my bank account gets depleted?

[@macolulu]

When being asked, why did you have the gap time, i answered "i had family matters needed my attention " Wasnt lots of households have only one breadwinner back in the days? Why would a gap be a matter of their concerns!

[@chancepaladin]

@@n.d.7931"I've been living outside the damn building in a tent along with everyone else that got laid off, genius." Holy shit they're so out of touch. Like there is no good answer to that, that would ever make them happy. "UH I got abducted by aliens." like, fk off.

[@pinkposey8134]

Was shamed for caregiving of elders, 2 weeks ago in phone interview. Life happens, but no time gaps on resume allowed! @@n.d.7931

[@n.d.7931]

@@chancepaladin yup.

[@susanoakeshauf]

I agree that interviews often feel adversarial. It sucks.

[@foodiusmaximus]

Not only that, but you look crazy as fuck if you try to match that energy. It’s like being pushed around, the person pushing you gasps when you decide to say something

[@superleipoman]

I always get interviewed by people who know absolutely nothing about my field.

[@latsnojokelee6434]

My favorite are the interviews with 5 to 7 people staring at you and then three minutes into it You realize that half of the people have tuned out and then five minutes into it You realize that the job is rigged for someone else but they have to go through the interview process to look like they’re fair.

[@richardjcranium]

Several years ago I had to speak with our HR person for some reason. While I was in with her the phone rang and spoke to the person who I assumed was a potential employee from her questions. After she hung up she sighed out loud and said “I wish he would stop bothering me.” That’s the problem. She sees him as a nuisance for checking in regularly to see if there was any openings as opposed to saying well this person shows some gumption and initiative. Maybe he’d be a good candidate.

[@111Phoenix777]

The most galling thing I notice from many employers is the never-ending job requirements at very low pay. It's obvious, they've added more and more requirements, over the years, education, required skills, training, etc., etc., but never updated the pay, to almost absurd levels.

[@theblaqkhaleesi9559]

I just saw several JDs seeking someone with a Master's offering: $23/hr... 😂😂 These folks must be high.

[@111Phoenix777]

@@theblaqkhaleesi9559 Check out government jobs. Most of them require 5 or more years experience at the next lowest grade, or comparable experience. Doesn't matter if you know how to do the job. That might make sense with highly technical rocket scientist type jobs, but I've seen it for some pretty basic/mundane jobs.

[@111Phoenix777]

I'm not against experience. I'm just saying, many of the requirements are ridiculous overkill, and the pay is hardly ever commensurate with all the education, skills, experience, etc., etc.

[@pointnIaugh]

Age discrimination is real.

[@ksw501]

Yup

[@latsnojokelee6434]

Oh yes. All of a sudden, for no reason you send out resumes and nobody responds. You can’t even get an interview for a job that you could do with your eyes shut.

[@sor3999]

The most acceptable type of discrimination aside from misandry.

[@simonnyman9031]

Had the worst interview ever last week. I get a call where they offered me an interview and sounded all excited. So far so good. I arrive at the interview and they offer me a coffee and we sit down. They explain the role but then they suddenly stop and the hiring manager says: " Actually we have already chosen who we will proceed with but thank you for your time ". Worst thing is, the next day they offered an interview to someone I knew. Why offer an interview and waste my time if they either actually had chosen a candidate or if they weren't interested?

[@TheMNB]

I was set to be hired at a very well known major tech company, but a VP refused to sign off on my hire saying, "we will never rehire someone that has been laid off." I was a perfect match for the position. That VP was ousted a few months later for unprofessional behavior. I never did get rehired. Their loss, I have an extensive range of experience in the field and have done well despite that decision.

[@K9DogDad]

When you interview you go in with good faith of the company. But when a hr person says to you "we will call you next week" , but never do. Not even a email. Too many ghost jobs on the market.

[@chancepaladin]

I was a shoe-in for a job once, the interview went perfect. Was supposed to expect the call within a day or two. I'd 1:1 done that exact job for that exact company for ~5 years. I had to call back like 50 times over the course of a month to get a response, and still no reason why I didn't get it. Just "no." Oh gee, thanks.

[@thepragmatist]

Agree. "Ghost jobs" is a good term for it.

[@moniqrupley6019]

I had to update my resume for an internal position in my company. I googled my current title and company. Found dozens of job listing for a position I have held for six months. Some of the listings were 2-4 days old.

[@K9DogDad]

I've been unemployed for four months and had eight interviews. All eight jobs ghosted me after the interview. I applied to one job on Friday morning and by Friday after noon I was rejected without an interview. I found way to much favoritism with the HR people in the 20s group. And with DEI getting more jobs, so if your 50 and over your being forced out and to retire. I've used all the job apps and all of them have the same job posting.

[@treasurethetime2463]

Hr people are professional liars.

[@rufusmcgee4383]

I drove 2 hours to an interview once only to take a brief test when I got there. One of the first questions on the test was "What was 2 to the 24th power?" My answer was "16 million something." They wanted the exact number (BTW, that is how many colors you get with RGB, 1 byte each). I had no idea without a calculator. That was as far as I got. It was a long, angry 2-hour drive home.

[@whickervision742]

Well, 2 to the 20th power is 1048576, so just keep doubling it a few more times. Oh well.

[@rufusmcgee4383]

@@whickervision742 Lol!! Yeah, that's a number that rolls around in my head all the time, right next to pi and the 41st term in a Fibonacci sequence. What was I thinking?

[@chancepaladin]

@@rufusmcgee4383question 2, divide by 0

[@CaptainSkank]

@@whickervision742 Is there a reason 2 to the 20th is easier? Is it just a number many people have memorized?

[@1320pass]

We all carry smart phones with a built in scientific calculator? Just saying. What am I missing?

[@JonDoe-gi5zf]

This is why I never feel guilty lying in applications and interviews !

[@mikes7446]

Why would you.. they lie right back.

[@Liz-wz8dh]

All companies do is lie to people.

[@carlosfurtado1164]

Unfortunately, the ball is always in their court. They normally carry out reference checks

[@jonm1999]

I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take this anymore.

[@jermainemyrn19]

Corporations are domestic terrorists

[@karthik007]

Are you going through something similar??

[@jermainemyrn19]

100%

[@grocerygoat06]

Wasn't that a quote from a movie?

[@HeadStronger-HS]

Last recession I was laid off and went to finish my MBA. The hiring manager for a job questioned why I was out of work for a year and didn’t care that I got a masters. Incredible.

[@davidcarp5935]

That douche

[@LordsofLeisure]

Employers want you to wait 6-8 weeks for a job that pays $50K in a major city. They're really losing touch with reality

[@emailuser8668]

Many are just posting those low paying jobs because they want to be able to hire H1B/L1/L2 visa holders, migrants, or those in the country illegally who will work for minimum wage. They force American job applicants to go through rings of fire like a circus animal just to get a interview, but then reject them. This is an important red flag for job applicants, beware of below market jobs with no employee reviews, likely an unethical employer.

[@cmozoo]

Frustrating is taking a test, being told you didn't pass, and 50% of their answers are wrong. I work in a field where it is where it is reasonable to test and usually encountered if the employer is interested in you based on your resume. Aggravating is all the job listings that list a methodology and documentation rules that haven't been used in over a decade, Lazy, lazy hiring managers that know nothing about the actual job. Then, there is all the meaningless fluff about how great the company is to work for, which hasn't been changed in decades. If they were that good, the word would already be out there. Word is out there about who not to work for.

[@calebfielding6352]

I wonder if they are selling all the data they get from people filling out applications

[@mrtwrecks]

Yes, they are. That’s predominantly what sites like Indeed and Monster are for-data harvesting.

[@snorriivan6365]

yes

[@mrtwrecks]

Yes. That’s the main reason sites like Indeed and Monster exist. They don’t care if you get a job. They exist to harvest data.

[@jackcarraway4707]

Absolutely. It's why ghost jobs exist.

[@bc5441]

And you can’t object, because you agreed to binding arbitration when you filled out the application.

[@ForgottenKnight1]

Employers can also land on blacklists and when the tide will turn (and it will, it's not a matter of if, only when) people will remember.

[@jcfreedom7289]

Can you elaborate more on this?

[@adamd9166]

This is important. Everybody, remember this and blacklist these companies.

[@donquique1]

I have been lowballed. Moved to another state because of it. I also have a large gap of unemployment after a layoff. During that time, I got a graduate degree. In the end if they feel they have leverage they will not pay what you are worth.

[@WadeRitter-x4f]

I too have been blackballed. Can not get work with the city of Edmonton. Applied to the commissioners they rejected and hired a terrorist who went on a shooting rampage at city hall while wearing the commissioners uniform.

[@KeepItFresh02]

I had a contract end in 2019. I was unemployed and interviewed 48 times. I lied on my resume of my end date. I got a job finally after 2years. Worked there for 18 months. Then got laid off may 31st 2023. I have been looking for work since June, 11 interviews and 0 offers. I have my resume say I just ended in February. So it always looks like I just got laid off and I just started looking, thats what I tell the interviewer if they ask.

[@dareemmanuel6079]

@@KeepItFresh02 what of when they do checks if you get the job? you know they'll ask your previous company when you left, right?

[@trollingsnowflakes3144]

@@dareemmanuel6079 do companies even do checks anymore?

[@franziskani]

@@dareemmanuel6079 if they ask, well that's just bad luck. Most companies don't. And if you are stupid enough to admit the unemployment gap a lot of them will discard you anyway.

[@essence174]

I was laid off and I absolutely was not lazy or incompetent! I worked hard, very hard. I filled a roll that was once filled by 4 people. I stayed up until 1 or 2 in the morning sometimes to get work done. In the end I along with my entire department, going all the way up to the Gm were let go! So if anybody says or thinks I am damaged goods, or I didn’t work hard enough and that is why I (along with about 35 other people) were let go, they can kick rocks!

[@chuckchan4127]

Ita cheaper to not care.

[@Roguish_nerd]

You're not wrong

[@Al-rn5qy]

Bingo!

[@Bulldog22224]

Just do your own thing.

[@millertime6]

I feel like HR is the one department not bound by data. They can say things like “laid off people are damaged goods” and that be it. Did they perform a study? How do they define “damaged goods?” I assume at some point they’ll be held to a stronger standard.

[@jackcarraway4707]

The average HR person is a grade A moron.

[@llywrch7116]

I once concluded from experience is that HR is where they send people too incompetent to be entrusted to anything important, yet cannot be down-sized due to some reason everyone knows but no one can officially admit (e.g., friend or relative of a VP, they are the token member of some minority, etc.).

[@DiamondFlame45]

That’s why I always keep applying even if I am in the final rounds of interviews with a company. Until I get an offer from them in hand, anything that HR says is just lip service.

[@co_7523]

Me too!

[@terrywert6587]

I take that one step further. I don't stop applying until I start my first day. Been lied to four times already that I'd been "hired" when I actually never was.

[@SaturdaySportsman]

Because there are so many candidates out there, they don't have to work hard to bring them in. I post a job and I'll have 60-100 qualified candidates within hours. I do my best to treat them with respect, though. I read every resume, and every candidate gets a response. Helps that I have a really good recruiter that I work with. The point is that there really are a lot of people out of work. The economy isn't nearly as sunny as they're telling us.

[@amicaaranearum]

The unemployment stats don’t count people who are not receiving unemployment benefits, people who are under-employed, people who are doing gig work, or people who are working multiple low-paying jobs to try to make ends meet.

[@kdavidsmith1]

You'd think companies would target people who are laid off, especially if they've been out of work for a bit because they'd likely be willing to settle for less just to have income again.

[@ChristopherSutter-j3y]

I'll never forget the time several years ago I had an interviewer ask me about my "gap" in employment, the ONE MONTH "gap" when I ended one position in September and started the new position in October. I told them the truth - I accepted a new offer, but decided to take my first vacation in almost a decade before I started the new role. The interviewer looked at me like I'd just farted out loud, then said "I don't understand." From that moment on, the interview went cold, ended shortly after and I never heard back from them.

[@yearginclarke]

I hate that type of stuff. A mere one month gap? That's so trivial! Not only that, this is YOUR life...not theirs to be judgmental about. You call the shots on what to do with your life. If they think there's something "wrong" about taking a vacation after 10 years of working, then they can shove it.

[@AnaSchultz-kx9tq]

This kind of story tells me becoming a self employeed hippy was actually the most sane and conservative choice

[@yearginclarke]

@@AnaSchultz-kx9tq I wish I had skills that would allow me to become self employed. I still haven't found my niche in life. The skills I do have are related to jobs with really long commutes, and I really need to get away from that. I don't have time to do anything except work, except when I'm temporarily laid off from my semi-seasonal job. When laid off (like I am right now) I've had repeated issues trying to get new jobs. Just basic entry level jobs. Can't commit to any schooling or training programs, because when I go back to work I simply won't have the time any longer. Trying to get a job closer to home so I can learn something new on the side.

[@Diesel0807]

When an interview goes cold I now thank them and quickly excuse myself ...

[@obgfoster]

Some job descriptions tip of amateurish or unrealistic people, but I'll apply anyway. Once I did get a job where I checked all the boxes, and the person who was supposed to be training me expected me to know all the local practices and he was an A-hole about it. He had no idea that people with experience do need training.

[@_nimrod92]

Your training is only being showed where the lunch area is and where IT is so you can get your badge.

[@TheTeresamori]

I just had a very low job offer made and the thing is they don’t even discuss salary up front. I think it’s ridiculous

[@kennethsouthard6042]

That could just be their operating off of a different mentality. Not that long ago it used to be considered rude and selfish to discuss salary before an offer was extended. In recent years that has flipped toward discussion at the very beginning.

[@ralucaifrim4916]

Or sometimes they say that they need to evaluate your level of experience during the task/ presentation you will be required to do 😅 this response is a red flag and you should not accept to be undervalued. They should disclose the average range of salary as a bare minimum.

[@geecee1990]

With all of the layoffs happening these days, I would hope employers don't look at people as damaged goods. I work for a large healthcare company in Nashville and they have laid off THOUSANDS of great people across the US over the past few months. Many were some of my best friends and some of the most talented IT people I know.

[@tbcstuff3634]

A company having a job opening is a red flag, why isn't someone already working for them? I refuse to apply to any open job for this reason. I am only willing to work at a place that has no job openings.

[@dyingculture1]

I see what you did there - good one. I refuse to hire anyone who is looking for a job, that's a red flag.

[@gregpeterson1736]

That logic doesn’t make much sense.

[@patricial.6758]

Sarcasm is too subtle sonetimes.

[@vaughanzh2647]

Haha so true, therefore no damaged employer stuff!

[@ttmeow7278]

Being fired for the first time, it’s kind of hard to sell yourself when HR makes a face when you say you were let go. It’s intimidating.

[@maalikserebryakov]

toughen up join a boxing gym Or if u dare, sit in a call of duty lobby lol.

[@ReceptiveKing93]

You know how the saying goes. It’s the recruiters job to work in favor of the hiring manager not the job seeker. Now I’m at the point of a recruiter emails me I just flat out tell them set me up with an interview with the hiring manager & then I will send you the things that you need like a up dated resume. It’s either I get to that step or walk away.

[@jfhucka1]

Hopefully those hiring managers got laid off

[@nickr3441]

3:49 3:52 3:52 3:52 3:53 3:53 3:55 3:55 3:55 3:55

[@whickervision742]

They never do. They are the last to go. They even give a crocodile tears sob story about how hard it was they had to fire themselves at the end too.

[@nswersdan869]

Public schools ought to be training us to start our own businesses. The fact that teachers aren't permitted to discipline students is killing education, but education isn't very good to begin with.

[@grandoldpodcast]

It comes form the top most administrators are terrible and that leads to using bad idea. They are poor at creating relationship with there teachers and so there is no loyalty

[@s0nnyburnett]

They don't want average people getting ahead.

[@stevepreskitt283]

Education isn't good because educated people tend to be better at critical thinking and make better decisions, and that's dangerous for people in power. I compare today's education to that when I was in school back in the 70's, and it's a night and day difference. There wasn't a single elementary school teacher back in 1975 that had to go out and buy their own chalk, paper, and other materials for the classroom, or beg the parents to contribute like they do today. You can't convince me that's not deliberate.

[@enriqueb4412]

Parents are not investing time into their own children. They arrive to school with no self respect or respect for others. Lack of etiquette too.

[@Violent_Wolfen]

​@@enriqueb4412They don't even have time for their own children.

[@The-You-Doober]

Remember folks, whenever a door closes on you, a new door will open. When searching for a job, check their lay off history. If they have a history of lay offs, it’s a no-go.

[@andreazoss771]

How can you find their lay-off history? If they’re not publicly traded, I can’t imagine they publicize layoffs.

[@The-You-Doober]

@@andreazoss771 People who get laid off publicize it. You found my publication?

[@jackcarraway4707]

​@@andreazoss771You are bound to find an employee say on social media they've been laid off from them.

[@karmendimas5274]

good luck with your so called theory clown!

[@nbo304]

Who doesn't these days?

[@Rewanda-x6c]

Whenever I get asked to do an additional assessment that has nothing to do with the job, I walk away. Most likely I wont get the job, but that tells me everything I need to know about the company.

[@theX24968Z]

"they'll change their tune" or they'll pay some news publication to write articles about how "everyone else is entitled" and "nobody wants to work anymore"

[@CAVEMAN93able]

I always lie and say I made it through the first 7 rounds of layoffs. Works like a champ!

[@cliffhamrickwrites2378]

And now you know why the economy sucks. It's not a bug, it's a feature. For the previous years, it was a worker's market. Now the tables have turned and companies can fuck people over, treat them like shit, and, if you complain too much, they can just toss you aside and find someone desperate enough to put up with the crap. Working for myself was the best thing I ever did for myself.

[@gracecase998]

I have a job and getting many rounds of interviews and then they pull back over salary. They stated the range on their career page and I pick the middle with my 30 years experience and degrees. They will let a good candidate go for $10-$15k a year, when they are $1 Billion+ a year company. Or they flat out ghost after they wanted to move fast. So frustrating. Then they complain they "can't find good talent". I don't get it.

[@cajuncountry84]

It's sad that companies have hired people that are this incompetent and continue to promote and retain them. Now I just feel like all of the worst ones just waited everyone else out and now they are in charge and pushing their own brand of stupid.

[@richardjenkins4182]

At 1:25 -- there's a space company near Brownsville, TX, that does this. The job description for a reasonably demanding position lists very low requirements for the applicant. So, people with far more experience and education than the job calls for will apply, thinking they've got a good chance. Then, in step 3 of the 5-part interview spread days apart, the miscreants start asking questions about the applicant's experience in multiple high-tech specialties. No individual has experience in all of those areas. What's going on? Most likely, the department already had an individual in mind who had very few qualifications, so he or she meets the low expectations in the job description. When highly qualified candidates who far exceed the requirements apply, they are rejected allegedly because they don't meet the impossibly high new expectations.

[@aaron96244]

I remember when I applied to my first job, my first interview I was talked down to. The main guy interviewing me said to me "If it doesn't work out here you can apply at Shopko down the road". Likely that snark was based on my lack of job experience at the time. My second interview went better with a different team and I've been working there for 18 years now. I've never forgotten the guy who talked down to me. Toxic hiring has been a problem for years.

[@misterwhipple2870]

Yes. About 5,000 years.

[@Cateutopia]

Thank God for temp agencies. If it wasnt for them I would not be working right now. I was rehired back at a job I had previously.

[@timothythompson4036]

Guys, the reality is now with social media your resume is just a commodity. Many people find this out the hard way, through multiple layoffs and the almost impossible task of getting promoted. What often happens is you just keep moving from one bad employer to the next. Why do you think Bryan is a full time You Tube content creator? He realized his career was going nowhere, it was either start his iwn business or oblivion. Guys start your own side hustle and then then try to make it your full time gig.

[@ALifeAfterLayoff]

This is a hot take. But I do agree that your social presence is of utmost importance to your career.

[@sg-zd8eb]

I think it should be time to name and shame these companies.

[@ThatAKguy74]

Job seeking has turned into a hilariously awful experience especially for me at a higher job level needing atleast $90k+ to make the job even worth considering. The fact I need to go through 5+ rounds of interviews answering the same questions over and over, doing free work, exams, wining and dining, and drawing out the hiring process to a month or longer for a job that could still just ghost me, or insult me with a lowball offer since we're not allowed to talk about pay until the end despite that being the primary reason anyone is even there. Then have the audacity to call me back 6 months later asking if I'm still interested. People have jobs and can't use weeks of PTO for each interview process, or go months without a job because the hiring process is such a disaster.

[@AnthonyWabo]

I went through the gauntlet of first and second stage interviews for a job, provided references, two motivational letters and was told i'll get a call with an answer on Monday (interview was on Friday). No call came and i follow up a week later and was told that i'd get a call "tomorrow" from head office. It's funny that the person who interviewed me couldn't tell me straight if they've chosen me or not. A week later i'm still waiting on that call. I assume it's a no, but I'm irated by the pisstake, disrespect and total disregard and that I might have missed out on other opportunities. Modern day job search continues to baffle me. Luck and the other side doing their fxcking job is more of a factor than anything else. Total lack of professionalism and ignorance!

[@Lanedude08]

Three jobs I’ve been told I’m perfect for. Ran through the interviews; did everything right, and they still said no. I’m about fed up.

[@arthurzettel6618]

Saying laid off people are damaged goods is a flat out show of shear ignorance. Many who end up laid off have families to feed and bills to pay.

[@occupationalhazard]

"Everyone should work Talent Acquisition for one year..." Jokes on you; we can't get hired to do that either! 😆🤣😢😭💀

[@chancepaladin]

hah yeah I was going to say, "Oh I'll just go ask the AI what it's like in TA" lol

[@bc5441]

I thought everyone was supposed to work in retail or food service for a year!

[@mikes7446]

I hate when they lie to you’re face saying they’ll call you back after the interview and never do.

[@gerberjoanne266]

So it's not just my imagination! There were several times when I thought the people interviewing me were amateurish, but I thought, "How could that be? This is their job." In many cases, they sounded as if they were reading questions off a script. And the questions were downright silly at times.

[@flyingjeff1984]

Two recent examples. A major airline was recently recruiting for instructors. I applied, was told by the in house recruiter that I am moving on to the manager interview........."We regret to let you know that you will not be continuing....." without ever talking to the hiring manager. Second recent example: my current employer uses in house committees to vette (sp?) applicants. What a clusterF. Takes forever and most of the committee members have no clue what the job is even about.

[@misterwhipple2870]

No, it's " v e t ". So you drive a Corvette, do you?

[@commanderz]

Chapters: 3:05 - Companies don’t value talent acquisition 4:23 - Hiring teams aren’t trained 6:45 - They consider hiring a necessary evil 7:20 - Poor hiring processes 9:00 - Unrealistic expectations 9:52 - How to change hiring 10:35 - Life After Layoff ads

[@shaolinman]

The company will ALWAYS LOW BALL you in pay. Laid-off, fired, over-employed or under-employed, you can always accept their low ball offer. Work on the first day, take a lunch and never come back to work. Let them know that the company sucks through walking off the job unannounced.

[@the2step]

Got to love going through multiple rounds of interviews spending hours prepping and researching only to be greeted with an automated email from their HR platform telling you you've been rejected.

[@disgruntledtoons]

Rejection is always a good thing. If they rejected you for a valid reason, you would not have been a good fit for the job. If you were rejected for a bad reason, management is dysfunctional and you would have hated working for them. Always look on rejection as a bullet dodged.

[@TheKokot52]

well said

[@keithsmith9577]

I once overheard a hiring manger say he would never hire layoffs because they were no good. Within a couple of weeks he was let go. Love to hear what he thinks now about layoffs.

[@SoCalRegisteredNurse]

I wish companies would understand that people are capable of learning new things. Being able to teach a new employee how you do things would be easier than trying to take a highly experienced person and have them unlearn their prior thought processes of how things should be done. Another point I want to make is a lot of people are getting laid off due to closures or restructuring due to Greedflation and they’ll usually pick to one who’s been there the least amount of time. If you aren’t doing your job and making mistakes and continued training isn’t working, they will start keeping track of your mistakes and FIRE you because of said mistakes because the company pays for your unemployment when you are laid off for no fault of your own, except in Alaska, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania

[@MonicaLabbao_littlemonicat]

I had a recruiter tell me that people in his industry can get multiple jobs, but devs like me are only supposed to stick with just one. Was pretty disengaged with the interview after that, and told him that I will not proceed with the application after that.

[@user-ln4qe1sh8i]

Recently interviewed despite my better judgement. Company rejected me again for a less qualified candidate who apparently outshined me in the process. So nothing to do with the fact they could save money but paying her over £10K less. I wish them luck lol I won't be available if that hire doesn't work out 😂

[@tammiepulley7167]

Talent Acquisition has to be one of the hardest jobs. Speaking as someone who did IT contracts for over 20 years I can count on 1 finger the number of hiring managers who knew how to conduct a quality interview. Sadly as a result I could almost lead the interview myself by telling stories about my past projects and how I led them (even though they didn’t always ask about that exactly). Once again Brian is throwing down the truth bombs. (I almost always got the offer when I took this approach)

[@jtowensbyiii6018]

My last full time job was the only hiring manager i met who actually clearly bothered to learn what the team and company wanted, they took me in with no references (out of college) due to my proof of work and I ended up being one of their most important people of my role at the whole company, if they didn't believe those managers I wouldn't have been there over 5 years and their product would have suffered greatly, it's sad this is the world we live in now, it's insane how much easier life was for previous generations 😢

[@glen4326]

I saw people get promoted never at work. We were all put in our positions, and we stayed there.

[@firstlast7719]

Restructured after 18 years. No performance issues. Mass layoff. The clawback on my severance is a big disincentive to work. With tax and clawback 2/3 is gone.

[@harmonizedigital.]

Like a company that pay 25k per year and expects to get someone who is perfect and wants to stick around forever.

[@user-lu6yg3vk9z]

Lol don’t worry majority will go under. Constant greed will get them in the end.

[@meadowrose100]

Why is it that employers can fire their employees, without any heads up, and are never the worse for wear and tear; however, when employees don't give their employers a two-week notice before they quit, they're considered the bad guy????

[@mblake4007]

Also it is hard to respond to 1000’s of applications if it is just the screening process. However, it is disrespectful for employers to call the candidate into four stages and then ghost them, which is laziness and they do not understand that candidates are customers too.

[@kevinberta8741]

Worked at a company that had layoffs. They stated that they kept the best of the best then followed up with divulging the plan to lay off the bottom 10% each year and hire new people. I asked a simple question, why would you lay off 10% of the best and hope that some that those you hire will be just as good as the one's you let go? After a pause, the executive said that they may need to rethink that approach!

[@Dr.Kananga]

Ghosting and not giving feedback are major signs of lack of professionalism.

[@nolakillabeast]

Had a rough call lately, where based on all my jobs that lasted max 2 years because of the company going under a recruiter told me, and I quote: "You have either been extremely unlucky, or made a series of bad decisions" I answered I was extremely lucky to habe been able to learn so much and promptly ended the call. Excuse my French but Fuck you, I was a star at each startup, 95% don't make it and I tried to help build each of them. Disgusting comment, from a ego maniac with a "perfect" carreer.

[@bc5441]

It would be so much more satisfying to have that conversation face-to-face rather than in a phone call, or even over video.

[@stevepreskitt283]

"I guess accepting this call from you is just one more bad decision to add to the list using your criteria."

[@nolakillabeast]

@@stevepreskitt283 thanks