Is Necromancy Creeping into The Church? An Ex-New Ager Weighs in, with Doreen Virtue

[@carlatichota4034]

This was difficult to listen to, but very necessary. I lost my husband due to complications from a car accident in December 2023 and then my mom 60 days later. Right after my husband passed away I prayed that the Lord would give me a dream and I did have one dream that same night. It was very vivid but brought me comfort so I feel mixed about it but after listening to this podcast, I feel like the Lord is warning me to be very, very careful and is protecting me from going down a dangerous path. I listened to this podcast while traveling today and took some time to pray, Talk to the Lord and repent and continue to ask for wisdom and discernment as I navigate this journey I appreciate you, Alisa and Doreen.

[@NatashaDahl]

So sorry about your husband and your mom. I read the psalms for comfort.

[@linak7155]

I pray for comfort for you and a deep desire to worship the God who has the power to raise up our loved ones in the resurrection. Living in Abba's light and seeking Jesus. ❤

[@johnIII8211]

Grief has a strong impact on our beliefs. I’m glad to hear how you’re exercising caution in all of this. So sorry to hear about your losses! “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any affliction, with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭4‬

[@carlatichota4034]

@@johnIII8211 thank you so much

[@carlatichota4034]

@@NatashaDahl yes! The Psalms are wonderful

[@BrendaMarsden-q7d]

My first husband passed away in 2021. At first I wished for a dream of him to bring me some good feelings and hope. I went through the Grief Share program. I realized that I could not communicate with him and he could not with me. He is with God, and all my comfort is from God, not from signs or dreams. I thank God for the 35 years we had together.

[@melodysledgister2468]

And one day, if both you and he are in Christ, you will see him again, but this will be overshadowed by your collective joy at finally being with our Savior. And you will never be parted again. That is the comfort I have - that one day-maybe not too far in the future-I will be with my son in glory, and we will be with Christ.

[@SaraSmilesandCreates]

I love the honesty.. “reading your Bible every day is not optional!” No miss in that beat! I needed to hear that

[@mares4636]

I miss my sister, who passed on nearly 6 years ago and I think of her often. She was largely instrumental in my eventual understanding and acceptance of Jesus. I had been listening to a popular host and his guest talk about NDEs and while I didn't necessarily agree with all that was said it gave me a few things to ponder. Soon after I went to bed and was trying to pray, very distractedly, and I looked to my right and "my sister" was standing there, about 3-4' off the ground. She was more perfect and beautiful than I'd ever seen her before, she was basked in brilliant light, her clothing, hair, makeup was immaculate. And "she" was smiling at me. I wanted it to be her and I stared, then I said "you are not my sister" and the [spirit? demon? illusion?] immediately disappeared. It shook me badly. This was over a month ago and in my mind I can still see this false image of my sister in my head, the beauty, the perfection, the light. Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. I already knew that the dead do not appear to the living, and over the past year have been listening to the newer channel - New Age to New Heart - [hello ladies!] so this fact had been reinforced many times in recent months. One day I will be reunited with my sister in our new bodies forever. I can and will wait for the real thing. Thank You Jesus.

[@blossominginchrist]

Wow that's a testimony to share thank you many have to hear this i never seen it vividly like that but i felt spirits and by the Grace of God now i feel the Holy Spirit 💖 God's presence

[@littlemas2]

I've had a son die when he was 11 from a kidney disease. In the 12 years since then. I've remembered seeing Micah in a dream several times, But I've never interpreted that as him actually coming to me, but rather as just memories of him being put into that dream. As hard as it has been to have lost him. I don't want to dishonor him or the Lord in trying to seek out some sort of special contact with him. He knew Jesus, and so I have a great hope to spend eternity with him. So I certainly look forward to speaking with him again in eternity. At the moment, though, I'm content, knowing that God's in control.

[@SusieQ3]

I lost my mom 2 years ago. She was my best, and at times my only friend for much of my life. Not a day goes by that I don't miss her, but I cry out to God, not to her. I pray to thank God for all the decades I got to spend with her. I thank Him for all the things she taught me and how she equipped me to live this life without her by instilling in me a deep love for the Lord, and teaching me to trust in Him in my hurting and that He will one day wipe away all my tears. I thank Him for giving me to a loving and kind mother who was a faithful Christian, and for the comfort in knowing we will be reunited in eternity, to worship our God together forever. I don't know if the pain of her being gone will go away in this life, but I have peace, comfort and joy in Christ, even in my grief.

[@susanelisd5584]

Such a lovely testimony, and thank God for her loving, faithful and godly input into your life.

[@alexandremuise8889]

Then according to these two, you're sinning in abomination by grieving and crying over it. It's over let it go and get over it.

[@SusieQ3]

@@alexandremuise8889 that's not what they said at all. They said don't try to contact your lost loved one, not don't miss them.

[@silverfoxsmith8582]

​@@alexandremuise8889What a harsh unloving response you are giving to this poor lady in her grief. I would give anything to feel the way she does about my deceased mother. I grew up in an abusive alcoholic home, and all I can relate to is the fighting & lack of love in my household. My mother worked herself ragged taking care of us 7 children. She cooked us 3 meals a day, kept a clean house, clean laundry, etc. but there wasn't much time left for loving each one of us personally... then there was the constant fighting, drinking and turmoil every day in the home...😢 I turned to my maternal grandmother for love and normalcy, but even that wasn't enough for me to have normal loving memories of my family... This poor woman is blessed to have such fond loving memories of her mother, and she probably will miss her every day for the rest of her life. She isn't trying to contact her, nor should she just "get over it." 😢❤😊

[@BrendaMarsden-q7d]

Thank you for sharing, God bless you ❤

[@samburton2978]

I rarely listen to an hour long podcast episode. But this one fascinated me. I am a retired missionary pastor. I have met many people through the years who have been deceived by this. It my retirement, I work with people in the Paranormal community. Everything from Bigfoot to ghosts. I know through social media hundreds of Christians who who seek to talk with dead loved ones. Thank you both for being clear on Necromancy. You are very much appreciated!! God is so good.

[@jenniferhall4880]

Not saying this as a joke but do you believe Bigfoot is an evil entity? My husband has seen one when he was 18. He wasn't saved

[@marssionary]

I just love, Doreen, how you are so committed to taking everything to scripture and being based in the Bible. You even caught yourself while talking, you were about to say "it opened a door" but then you said, no that's not biblical. Amazing! I have loved listening to you for the past few years and you inspire me to be more planted in the Bible and EXACTLY what it says!!! Keep going friend!

[@scubaoctopus]

Doreen does make mistakes too!

[@marssionary]

Well of course she does, she’s human. Praising something good I see in her character and faith doesn’t mean I’m saying she’s perfect. No one is, except Jesus.

[@belovedbytheKing]

@@scubaoctopus Yes absolutely and she's extremely reformed in her theology.

[@silverfoxsmith8582]

​@@scubaoctopusYes, she is a wrenched sinner just as you and I am. However, she is cover in Jesus's blood and is forgiven for those "mistakes" she makes! Take care...😊

[@Marlaina]

​@@scubaoctopusOf course she does, this comment pointed out one of the mistakes she made.

[@dananema2074]

Thank you to the both of you for having the courage to talk about this subject. It seems as though all of the things that you brought up are valid points as to how this is influencing the church. We need more discussion on these types of topics!

[@terridailey7665]

SusieQ3 I can totally relate to how you feel I lost my mom about 31/2 years ago and she too was my best friend and she also taught me to love the Lord and I am very grateful to have had such a loving and kind mother. I thank you for your sharing, because it reminded me that the Lord is my comfort, peace and strength and I will see her again in eternity. May the Lord continue to bless and bring you on in your journey with him. Praise God for giving us such wonderful moms.

[@ready2roamrv289]

Thank you for recording this conversation with Doreen and for your transparency, Alisa.

[@Marlaina]

My mother died 3 years ago and she's in my dreams every night. I even heard her voice in my ear while I was awake. I don't at all believe it's her but I can see how those outside knowing God's word can be lead away by these things. Also. The spirit realm observe us and can easily mimick our loved ones. Opening ourselves up to recieving messages thinking it's our loved ones can spiral down to the "loved ones" relaying deceitful messages. It's a slippery slope.

[@anng7514]

Very true!!

[@amyparker5514]

This interview was very informative and eye opening and truthful, aligning with scripture to me. Thank you for this Truth, and I allow Holy Spirit to shed light on it. Continued prayers for you both.

[@GodGirl254]

Man! I've dreamt with my two deceased sisters too many times. And I had no idea that because I did not go out seeking necromancy that it could get to me. And it felt so good to actually dream with them... Now I know how to pray when they happen again. This is so helpful. Thank you Alisa. I enjoyed this episode. Awesome awesome conversation. Bless you Doreen. ❤❤

[@cherylwilliams4738]

Well, I wouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Please ask God to show you the truth. You don't have to stress that your experience was wrong or evil, just because these two woman say so. Nobody has it 💯 percent correct. Ask Holy Spirit if your experience was ok or not. 😇✝️

[@joyceelmer131]

@@cherylwilliams4738 You’re dream experience could be just that. A dream. So don’t stress. Take it to the Lord.

[@cherylwilliams4738]

@@joyceelmer131 hi Joyce I think you meant that for GodsGirl.. 😉

[@joyceelmer131]

@@cherylwilliams4738 yes I did. Sorry.

[@ChristAndChristCrucified]

This comment is in support of Doreen Virtue, and gives all glory to God! 😊🙌💕😊

[@conniekline9881]

I also support Doreen and her message and Biblical knowledge. Her heart of willingness to speak about her past teachings and alliances, and demonstrating true repentance, continuously inspires me as a Christian. Thank you Alisa for continuing to speak on controversial topics in the church and Christianity today.

[@ScubaScubaDude]

Nobody is perfect and she has made mistakes.

[@markshaneh]

@@ChristAndChristCrucified Did you watch Doreen’s sisterly love assassination attempt on the late and brilliant Michael Heiser . Doreen is not interested in “ glory to god “ Funny stuff if it wasn’t so sad.

[@jamesmoore4883]

@@markshanehAmen 🙏 She is more interested in glory for Doreen 🙃

[@belovedbytheKing]

@@markshaneh That was absolutely appalling. As quite a few of her videos are.

[@darksunnygirl]

I absolutely love Doreen! She has helped me see some of the new age ideas that have trickled into the Episcopal church. It really upset me to see eneagram workshops starting at my church a couple years ago and to learn about the dangers of yoga poses.

[@ashleyhowardfarmer6227]

Amen

[@katt405]

I so enjoyed this discussion. I lead GriefShare groups and this always comes up. As a widow, I know that sadness of loss, but also the strength and peace that can only come from a God we can fully trust. His faithful Word is our guide and comfort. And also the shameless cruelty of the Enemy--- his lies can be crippling to those in grief. GriefShare turns each lesson toward God's Word.

[@carlatichota4034]

I am currently going through Grief Share and I appreciate your post. I am a widow as well and as I listened to this podcast, I thought about grief share and was hoping that this was not going to be an issue. Since I am brand new to the ministry, I am not sure what all to expect yet so thank you for what you said.

[@TheTinkerersWife]

I am so thankful for both of you. Fearlessly standing up for the truth, speaking out in love with grace, with the goal and hope that people would repent and walk in true freedom and comfort we only have in Christ So many people today need this message, not knowing what evil they are partnering with.

[@jtisme]

Had just started reading and purchased one of one of her last (Doreen's) courses and prayed..right during.. as she was going thru.. having her spiritual conversion. Praise God!...it's been so hard on us all. Yet worth it :)

[@TGBTG7]

Thank you for the courage to speak up about the difficult issues!

[@JadeBluee]

An amazing and wonderful interview! So important, eye-opening and urgent for everyone. ❤️

[@philotheoapolobrendon4207]

A great topic. Here is how i see the slippery slope: 1. Loved one dies and you are thinking about them 2. You start to wonder if they were proud of you or if they are looking down and seeing you succeed at things or if they forgave you for things you may have done 3. You start to say something like "if you can hear me i hope you are proud" or "if you can hear me I hope you forgive me for..." or "i wish you were here enjoying this with me" 4. You start to hear something back that sounds good and comforting 5. You start to hear other things 6. Since they can hear you you might as well ask for stuff and for them to put in a good word for you 7. You actively are directing conversations to them in a prayer like fashion. this includes asking them for intercession Where does the slope start? Is it at step 1? 2? 3? or after? Is the definition of communication a two way street, does the slope start when you get ,or expect, a response (i.e. step 4) or does it include step 1 with one way communication that is not asking for anything? I would think step 1 is not included since we are to mourn for loved ones which means we are thinking about them. Maybe #2 is ok. I think step 3 is the beginning of the slope but i am open to change my mind.

[@loricatesthomas6968]

Alisa, thank you for having the courage to speak out about Steve Berger.

[@bossmom522]

This was a fantastic.. I used to go to my girlfriend‘s grave and talk to her all the time not knowing that I could’ve opened up a door to the devil …I am also now hooked up to the new ESV audio Bible. Thank you.

[@amberpenningtonmusic]

This was so good. My husband passed away in November of 2022. A few months after he passed I had a very vivid dream about him. We were taking a walk together and talking... it was comforting to me at the time. I didn't realize that this was actually necromancy. I don't recall inviting it... thankfully it hasn't happened since then. I grew up with family members talking to deceased loved ones at their gravesites, "seeing" them in signs like birds, etc. It was helpful to understand how this is false and not of God. I've been a Christian since I was 8 years old and this was never really covered explicitly in any church I've ever attended. Thank you for speaking clearly and plainly about what God's Word says about this and how we can guard against it.

[@KM-zn3lx]

I've seen weird beliefs like this especially when I was Catholic. A woman was convinced that cardinals were her dead daughter communicating to her! I dreampt of my mother after she passed having dinner with me until I reminded her she was dead. I also had a dream of my dad saying goodbye to me after he died. I don't really think that was wrong and I didn't summon it either.

[@aliciaturner9422]

I am so sorry you have been led to believe that what was perhaps God given comfort during your time of mourning was somehow from the devil. Pls know that does not have to be the case. God loves and cares for us, and in His sovereignty, He will poor out His grace and work in unexpected ways to help us heal. If your experiences resulted in comfort and thankfulness to God, be at peace about them. I am sorry if this oversteps but I just wanted to give you some encouragement. Please forgive me Sister. 🙏

[@anselman3156]

@@aliciaturner9422 You are right. God has given me such comfort, and I know for sure it was in the love of God. When you keep yourself in the love of God in Jesus Christ you can discern such things.

[@carlatichota4034]

Amber, I am so sorry for your loss. My husband passed away in December 2022. I actually prayed for a dream and did have a very vivid dream and it did bring me comfort, but after listening to this podcast today, I felt the Lord warning me to be careful and not continue down this path. Same as you, I have never heard this addressed in all the years I have been in church since I was a child. Blessings to you ❤

[@natashamiller4860]

First, let me say, I am so sorry for your loss. When my mom passed away I remember going to her gravesite (I was barely 21 at the time and was not walking with God though I did believe in Him…looking back, I knew who He was but I did not have a relationship with Him) and I remember “talking” to her but I remember clearly stating that I was doing so, not because she could actually hear me but, because I was so angry with God that I didn’t want to risk saying something I couldn’t take back. 😢😔😞

[@CurtisLoyd-fe6sz]

When I was 5 years old until I was 17 years old I was severely abused physically and mentally by my mother. When my mother was dying of cancer I took care of her and she never did tell me she was sorry. I was a born again Christian during that time and I lead her back to the Lord. However, I was ok that she never apologized to me because I had forgiven her. I will say that I never felt worthy around her even after she died. Three months after she died she came to me in my dream that night while I was sleeping and she was wearing the same dress that she was buried in. She looked younger and she looked at me and said,”By the way, you are worthy.” Then she left. I woke up and was confused because in real life my mother would never tell me that I was worthy if anything she said I was a bad girl. I never could accept that dream. I told God that no one is worthy except You. God is always worthy in everything. I did share my dream to a few friends but I told them that I would never accept it was my mother saying that to me. My friends told me I should accept that it was my mother. I still to this day will never accept it was her. ONLY GOD IS WORTHY!!! That you for this video!

[@benedictebailleux463]

Long before his conversion, one of the brother of my church did, with educated friends, session of speaking with spirits. They talked with clever ones... one day, he asked to speak with his grandmother (who cared of him like his true mother during childhood). "She" responded "My chicken" which was his childhood nickname and they had a little conversation. At one moment, one of the person around the table asked "do you want to drink something", and after they asked also to the "grandmother" laughing with that. The demon responded : "blood" at that time the dogs in the room started to scream to death. The wife of my friend threw everyone out and it was the very end of these seances. You do well Alisa to bring those things into light. There is no compromise between Light and darkness.

[@batshuayaddah1567]

There isn't any one who can comfort the way the Holy Spirit can.

[@melodysledgister2468]

Yes to that! He is not called the comforter for nothing.

[@eurekahope5310]

Wonderful conversation! So happy to be able to reply to a Doreen Virtue video.

[@PretzelBubba]

This was SO helpful!! I really appreciated hearing what you both had to share. It's very important to know what areas God has declared are off limits to us, for our own good. But we still think we know better than Him - to our own peril! We must not be ignorant of the devil's schemes. He knows exactly what bait to use to lure us in and ensnare us. Thank you very much for equipping us! 👍

[@jenb2906]

Oh my goodness! Alisa and Doreen thank you so much for this message! It resonates truth in me. I have been a devoted Jesus follower for 50 + years (can't believe it's been so long) and this message has convicted me. I lost a dear brother 10 years ago and I still miss him deeply BUT several months ago I had a dream that he visited me briefly and I ran up to hug him. He embraced me for a moment and then said "I have to go as I have work to do." He was strong and a little bigger and taller than when he was here on earth. I took it as a comfort and did until now. I never asked for a dream or a vision of him nor did I try to contact him. But because of this video I verbally and loudly confessed my sin, asked for forgiveness and renounced any workings of the enemy in our home. I have read Deuteronomy 18 several times in the past but not in the past two years. I know it's been two years because I used to work with women who are I would say wrapped up in New Thought. I reviewed what the Lord says in Deuteronomy to help give me clarity about what they were saying and doing. Anyway this is a long comment and you may not read it but maybe it will encourage someone. Praise the Lord for He is good! Thank you again to both of you!!

[@BetsysHeartstrings]

I don’t understand how a dream you didn’t ask to have about a beloved brother cannot be a gift of comfort from the Lord. I don’t think that is the same thing as seeking out a medium or seeking to speak to someone who has passed away. When we seek comfort from the Lord, sometimes he sends us comforting dreams. I don’t think that is us sining, I think it draws us closer to the Lord because we feel His love for us even more deeply and seek Him in gratitude and praise. That is not a sin.

[@CountryThreadsbyhand]

Thank you Alisa & Doreen for this episode!! It’s a very slippery slope between Gods supernatural power and the evil one twisting it! All these videos have helped me solidify my beliefs and how to start conversations with family that are in different denominations believing in praying to the dead. Thank you for equipping believers around the world!! God bless you both!! ✝️🕊️💜🙏🏻

[@melodysledgister2468]

I am absolutely convinced that praying to the dead is wrong.

[@lornac6867]

So enlightening! You made this topic so clear Biblically! I especially appreciate the sense of urgency at the end you placed for all of us to read our Bibles regularly so as not to be deceived by false teachings whatever they may be!

[@liap1293]

Excellent interview & discussion. Thank you.

[@suzannecarroll2388]

Wonderful video. And I agree that reading the Bible every day changes your life and understanding about our relationship with the one true God.

[@CaffeinatedChrista]

Thank you Doreen, Alisa and Jen Nizza for speaking out on this sensitive but firmly addressed topic in the Bible. Despite the arguments surrounding Samuel (was it him or was it not), the primary message is clear and I appreciate the willingness to speak about the subject and where we are running into it in the church.

[@ScruffyApologetics]

This is such a wonderful episode! I know how hard these types of things are, Alisa. Well done! God bless and thank you!

[@johnnacrist8715]

Thank you Alisa & Doreen!!! Doreen is full of important information & experience for us all! She’s full of the scriptures.

[@kimgary5771]

Thank you, Alisa for confronting this topic. I have been growing. I used to believe certain things but in God goodness people like Doreen and you bravely teaching different subjects that make me think, pray and grow. God bless you both!

[@loiscarteaux9389]

Very helpful, thank you for solid biblical teaching

[@MichelleM-tt5rm]

Thank you sharing this episode, so much meat and insights here. And another reminder to continue to be in God's Word.

[@annemcdowell4723]

I enjoyed this talk so much! Praying that God will bring His light and truth to bear in peoples hearts in these situations. How we need His grace! It is encouraging Alisa to hear how God is working in your heart bringing His light as He does. Your open honesty is iron sharping iron to me anyway, strengthens the heart and turns me even more to our Saviour! Praise His name!

[@2000dns]

I love Doreen she's so honest.

[@Peter_Morris]

Could not agree more and more heartily about reading the Bible every day. It’s exactly like Doreen and Alisa say. Even if you don’t realize you’re learning it, you are. And when you hear false teaching, there’s a buzzing in your mind, even if you can’t immediately pinpoint it. Sometimes the Spirit will bring whole passages to your mind to answer a hard question or to refute an errant word you hear. It’s important never to give up, either. There are times when I was only reading once a week or less, and looking back I lament those times. There’s no time in your life when you’re “done” reading the Bible. It is always fresh, always illuminating the darkness, always comforting. Stay in the Word!

[@317237hope]

Oh my, this is so convicting! The human side of us wants so much to believe we can communicate with our loved ones who have passed on. Thank you so much for addressing this important issue from a Biblical perspective!

[@brookerichards9037]

David Suchet is wonderful audio reading of the Bible. His voice and inflection makes it come alive and more easily understood. He is on KZbin. I like to listen as I go to bed at night

[@ltcajh]

A former friend, who identified as Christian, does a lot of tarot card readings. I sent her the Biblical condemnation of it. She told me not to quote the Bible! I immediately cut her off. I recall the Shakers telling a prophecy from Sitting Bull!

[@ritadyer9295]

Wow! That’s a strange reaction from your friend claiming to be a Christian.

[@ltcajh]

⁠@@ritadyer9295I’ll add that she says really bizarre stuff now that doesn’t make a lot of sense. She also now says Christmas celebrations are pagan! I suspect she’s become demon-possessed.

[@dori6148]

So good, glad I took the time to listen and carefully consider the topic. Thank you 😊

[@lindaharrison3240]

Such a great podcast. My sister is into necromancy and keeps an altar in her home and all kinds of weird stuff. I’ve tried to share God’s word about how dangerous it is to follow that stuff but she is willfully ignorant and refuses to hear truth. Mercury in retrograde and all the rest...it’s foolishness and I have left her to it.

[@Autumnjoyz]

I have a Niece that I was close to that has gotten into this. I tried to talk to her about how dangerous this is and I shared scripture with her, she disregarded everything I said. She claims to be a Christian and she does all of this… I did the same as you, I’ve left her to it and I pray for her.

[@ErinWatson-r8g]

Doreen is so careful and diligent with the Word of God. She even went and grabbed a Masters in theology!! Doreen is one of those 2 Timothy 2:15 kinda Christians...

[@allietitone9944]

Those in heaven are NOT DEAD. They are more alive than we will ever be here on earth.

[@markshark1613]

Correct, but we cannot communicate with them

[@TheNutmegStitcher]

But our business is no longer a part of theirs. Let them go. Do not try to contact them. It's forbidden, and that act of disobedience is an invitation to demons to masquerade as them.

[@BrendaMarsden-q7d]

Their earthly body has died

[@Mrs.D33]

But the same of those who in hell, they are not dead as well.

[@melindamercier6811]

Let us not purposefully misunderstand what is clearly being said for the sake of likes on a comment.

[@kristiLB93]

Wow. This is a powerful topic. I think we Christians are woefully ignorant of what the Bible says about these things. I am learning more and more about what the bible says. By the way, I read the bible on my phone too and I have been so convicted about using my paper bible and not even a study Bible (I'm easily distracted by anything and everything).

[@adventuresinlifemka1762]

I listen to the Bible for two hours each day at work. I have also been listening to sermons and other uplifting KZbin videos during the rest of the work day. I have recently found Doreen on KZbin and listen to her videos also. Thank you so much for all of your information.

[@jenniferhall4880]

When Im missing my loved ones, I ask God to tell them i love and miss them. I won't talk to them but I know God can. Thats why I won't go their graves either. They're not there

[@entwifey]

A friend of mines brother was killed by a drunk driver. The mother in her grief started hearing messages from him behind the dead. She would write them down and give those messages to other people as if it was a prophetic word. I had to stop being around that family because of the negative effect it had me- just being in that house made me feel like I had a weight on my chest. I’ve been told to never judge what someone does in their grief, but this eventually destroyed the family. It sounds exactly Iike the story of Steve Berger

[@mes147]

This is really informative! Thank The Lord Jesus for Women like these! May The Lord Jesus watch over them all and protect them in Jesus' Wonderful Name!!!

[@poetess131]

Alisa!! Thank you for talking about Christian Science!! I grew up in this cult and I am still discovering new ways in which it has had an effect on my thoughts and behavior. I was always drawn to the occult and I think that CS is one of the biggest reasons for that. Thank you, thank you, for doing this show with Doreen Virtue. ❤

[@followerofchrist4064]

Wonderful interview. Thanks to both of you!

[@PretzelBubba]

That was a chilling story, about how Rita Springer prayed such a dangerous prayer for the deceased son to come down from heaven (!) and join them that night. While heartfelt, it was 100% unbiblical. Sure enough, a demon responded, and "masqueraded as an angel of light" and pretended to be the son in a vision and spoke to one person, even using the special nickname the deceased son used to use with him. These familiar spirits study and know us very well, and have NO difficulty fooling us that they're the passed loved one. What a reminder that if it doesn't line up with the Bible -- no matter HOW convincing or vivid the visitation/dream/voice, etc. is -- throw it out!!!

[@snowdrop4842]

Can someone please explain how demons can come into our dreams if they can't read out minds? Confused 😢

[@lquinn410]

I don't yet understand the truth on this, but my recommendation is to REALLY start studying your Bible and ask God to show you the truth. He is faithful.

[@Jodilcolorado]

Those are dreams from our subconscious mind that help us find closure with a plaguing issue from our lives. They are part of the soul’s way of finding homeostasis again. You can think of it as a gift that allows us to recalibrate on an issue that has no conscious resolution. A dream is not necromancy.

[@ritadyer9295]

That’s what I’m wondering. But sometimes it can be or if you pursue it.

[@lisac5727]

My dad died 28 years ago when I was a teenager. Sometimes I had dreams about him but they were just dreams. Over 20 years after his death, I had a dream with him that was very unusual: He was dressed in white, looked very healthy, and was walking with me. The dream had a vibrancy to it. My dad was giving me advice on how to teach my son baseball (baseball was a huge part of my dad’s life). After that dream, I thought I had to get my son into baseball and that it would solve the problems he was having. I told my mom about the dream and she believed my dad had really visited me. Well, I got my son into baseball, but for only one brief season. After that, covid came and prevented the next season from happening. After that, my son lost interest. I couldn’t see any real difference that one season of baseball made. It didn’t fix any of the issues my son was having. I wondered about that dream for a long time. Because it seemed like the advice my dad gave me ended up not being very helpful. Looking back, I realize I had that dream after I had gotten into energy work. There were other experiences after I started energy work, too. I sensed demons in the house. My son was being afflicted by them. I was afflicted by them. One time I thought I woke up to an angel doing healing work on me; it looked like a spirit with its hands over my body. I now think it was a demonic spirit and I hate to think what it was doing to me or the child that was in my womb because I was nine months pregnant. My mother has had many encounters with what she believes is my dad. She considers these experiences very special and sacred, but they always seemed off to me. They seem more like haunting stories, like knocking at the door. Once my stepdad actually saw my dad and it frightened him. This doesn’t seem like a heavenly being to me. I always wondered why my dad didn’t visit me. Well, one time about five years ago, I was really worried about my health. For the first time ever, I spoke to my dad since he had died. I asked him to help me. A couple weeks later, the energy worker I hired to do a session for me asked if my dad was deceased because he was there with her and wanted to help. 😮 I now know that energy work is bad and it invited demons into my life. I guess it’s true, if you try to talk to deceased loved ones, you very well could get an answer, but it will be a phony demon. When I saw my mom recently, she told me she talks to my dad every day. Now it makes sense why she has had several encounters. I feel concerned for her.

[@theodosios2615]

Love Doreen's channel, she's a wealth of authentic Christian knowledge.

[@JosiahTheSiah]

I unsubscribed and unfollowed after her hit pieces on Heiser. Totally deplorable. I commend her for standing against the new age, but I can't support her current direction.

[@mimimimz6719]

@theodosios She is a fairly new believer, and according to the Bible such people should not be teaching. Doreen jumped from believing and teaching one thing to believing and teaching the opposite without missing a beat and taking necessary time to learn things herself. It is simply not a wise thing to do, nor it's Biblical.

[@redsoul6900]

There are Christians who still wishing loved ones a "Happy Heavenly Birthday," whatever that means....disturbing.

[@ritadyer9295]

I hate that junk on fb. I used to do it because I didn’t want family thinking I didn’t care or miss our loved ones. I thought it a a little ridiculous. I deactivated fb.

[@kathleennorton2228]

It's been a bottom line doctrine of the CC for hundreds and hundreds of years. Mary and saints are dead to this world, and yet they are prayed to and believed to have power to answer prayers.

[@michelleheltz6116]

Mary and the Saints are alive in Christ in heaven and NOT dead. God is the God of the living!

[@matteblak6158]

@@michelleheltz6116I appreciate your comment. I think you might want to reread her original comment. She said they are dead “to this world.” Maybe that sounds better?

[@theodosios2615]

​@@michelleheltz6116 Mary and the saints were human. They were born, they sinned while they loved, and then they died. Honorable and holy, no doubt. But human nonetheless. Like the rest of us. Stop making them into gods who can hear and grant our prayers.

[@FiveLoavesTwoFish1]

Thank you Doreen and Alisa.

[@rickiilatino]

Interesting discussion but so much advertising

[@wendyraptureready]

Great content, Jesus is the only mediator between us and God,Amen!

[@DearestFandoms]

Have you read the verses about intercessions? I’m sure you would never say the Bible contradicts itself. So how do you reconcile that, unless you were to understand that “only one mediator” =/= the same thing as “only one intercessor”? You seem believe “only one mediator” = “only one intercessor,” though, so I wonder how you square the contradiction within scripture according to your own position…

[@wendyraptureready]

@@DearestFandoms Hebrews 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

[@wendyraptureready]

@DearestFandoms quite simply, intercessory prayer is the act of praying on behalf of others. The role of mediator in prayer was prevalent in the Old Testament, in the cases of Abraham, Moses, David, Samuel, Hezekiah, Elijah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel. Christ is pictured in the New Testament as the ultimate intercessor, and because of this, all Christian prayer becomes intercession since it is offered to God through and by Christ. Jesus closed the gap between us and God when He died on the cross. Because of Jesus’ mediation, we can now intercede in prayer on behalf of other Christians or for the lost, asking God to grant their requests according to His will. “For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). “Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died-more than that, who was raised to life-is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us” (Romans 8:34).

[@DearestFandoms]

@@wendyraptureready you are only providing verses about “only one mediator” but you aren’t addressing the other half of what I talked about. What about the other verses that speak on intercession? 1 Timothy 2:1 “First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, *intercessions* and thanksgivings be made for all people…” Ephesians 6:18 “Praying at all times in the Spirit, with all *prayer and supplication* . To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making *supplication for all the saints* …” Acts 12:5 “So Peter was kept in prison, but earnest *prayer for him was made to God by the church* .” Those all speak on intercessions. Do you believe we aren’t supposed to pray for each other at all? Because that is interceding to God on someone else’s behalf. Something tells me you’re actually fine with that, which if so that means you aren’t being consistent.

[@DearestFandoms]

@@wendyraptureready so you do make a distinction between mediator vs intercessor (one who makes intercessions for you). So you don’t believe there’s only one *intercessor* . Because that’s my point. There is only one *mediator* between God and man, yes, and that is Jesus Christ because He *is* God and Man, and no one else can be that! That’s the distinction. “Mediator” here isn’t the same thing as “intercessor” and you obviously know that, because you are saying so now.

[@Kai_Theos_en_ho_Logos]

Gonna be honest. I appreciate Alisa's channel. Love her books, Another Gospel? & The Deconstruction of Christianity. Lot of great info. But only commenting here now because it's an opportunity to tell Doreen Virtue that she and her guests in her recent video on Michael Heiser need to repent. They slandered him throughout the video accusing him of ideas that he publicly refuted and spoke against. Many channels , including Remnant Radio, have done a great job of pointing out the many errors and/or lies in her video. I understand this may come off as underhanded and out of place. My apologies if it is -- but since Doreen shuts down all comments in each of her videos (which is her right) -- this is one of the few ways to call her to task on her shameful video against a Godly scholar who greatly enriched the Body of Christ.

[@scubaoctopus]

Agreed!

[@Julia29853]

Its unconventional but since there is no way to reprove her it seems fair. Michael Heiser was a great Hebrew scholar and I am so sad and shocked to hear she did that!

[@kateorson4754]

I totally agree. I come from the new age and I can relate to not wanting to be deceived again and calling out incorrect teachings but it can go too far and slandering a brother in Christ after his death in is just not right.

[@lizmarsi1034]

I agree- Doreen should reach out to those who have the truth about Mike Heiser & then repent ❤

[@darylgiffin3235]

Thank you for doing this Alisa. I have been addressing this for several years now, in the face of denials that it's necromancy. Marie Woodworth Etter supposedly encountered her children in heaven when she went into trances, and led others into doing the same, with their deceased loved ones!

[@caprimungeam662]

Therefore, praying to Mary (Catholicism) or other "Saints" is necromancy! That's serious!

[@TheTransfiguredLife]

I love my protestant friends but we have to do better with our caricatures in apologetics. I'm willing to have a live dialogue with you on this topic if you're willing. God bless ☦️

[@aliciaturner9422]

I expect this kind of nonsense from DV now, but I feel like Alisa is better than this. I hope she takes you up on this offer.

[@TheTransfiguredLife]

@@aliciaturner9422 it's unfortunate but you're right!

[@stephenmac191]

@@aliciaturner9422 I don’t think it’s a carcicature. You just disagree with their view. Plenty of Protestants understand the Catholic basis but disagree with that basis.

[@aliciaturner9422]

@@stephenmac191 I didn't say caricature, @transfiguredlife did. But I do agree with him. We are also not Catholic. One must be able to steelman another position before refuting it. Otherwise, it's a caricature and shouldn't be taken seriously. No steelmanning detected in this video. Just the same predictable and tired protestant objections and a little satanic panic thrown in too to make people doubt themselves and the goodness of God in their mourning the loss of loved ones. When you can't even get the definition of necromancy right, you shouldn't be attempting to speak authoritatively about it. It's disappointing, but unfortunately surprising.

[@scubaoctopus]

@@aliciaturner9422I disagree with you in many pints, but Doreen Virtue has proven to be very inaccurate.

[@ritadyer9295]

I remember reading Doreen’s column in the magazine. lol! It sounded good but I never believed it.

[@Ohappyday6426]

Thank you for this video!

[@fbrown1543]

Thanks Doreen!

[@michellegabriel2990]

People are sadly so confused & truly believe cardinals are their deceased loved ones bringing them comfort. It doesn't even make sense at all.

[@joyshalom4631]

Praise The Lord, I have sub Doreen's channel I hardly missed the podcast. I also really like and appreciate Alisha's channel, I sub and hardly missed. God bless you two dear sisters.

[@eandrk9011]

Thank you so much! I lost my first husband at 24, and for the last 11 years, I have had dreams where he felt real. I can clearly see how the enemy has tried to tempt me in these areas. It can be so confusing! Thank you for this!

[@ritadyer9295]

I’ve dreamed of loved ones before and then wonder where the dreams came from because they bothered me. I’ve dreamed of dead friends who I hadn’t thought of in years. It’s weird. I’ve never entertained them as messages from them but the dreams troubled my spirit.

[@sk-un5jq]

The demons are trying to lure you.

[@eileensass3847]

At 53:45. Doreen …clear example of why we have to be in God’s word. Because once you know God’s word, everything that false teaching is like a sour note on the piano. Your ear just knows that it’s off. Good stuff!

[@sheriandbeneby7716]

Thank you so much for this video. You’ve really made me think. My mom died of cancer 8 years ago and that was heartbreaking. I’m a Christian but hadn’t realized that talking to the dead could be so dangerous. I don’t think I did at her grave but I did right after she died. My sister’s husband is Greek Orthodox. She’s mentioned about praying for our mom or other family members. I’ve told her that’s not necessary. She’s dead. She’s in heaven, she was a Christian. Do all Greek Orthodox practice necromancy?

[@makeitcount179]

" the Word of God is living and active.."

[@roselolagne6642]

Anyone else hear Selina Gomes

[@gregorytoews8316]

Doreen Virtue probably has important things to offer christians, but her criticism of Michael Heiser seems misguided. IMO it taints what she says here.

[@scubaoctopus]

Agreed!

[@KathyStrickland-nh9vx]

I've started reading MH and have great respect for his knowledge. There is a lot to wade through and learn.

[@DeltaDawn77]

She severely misrepresented his views almost to the point of blatant dishonesty. That doesn't make her wrong here but really makes you question her integrity.

[@Julia29853]

That’s a shame. He was a careful Hebrew scholar. He never ever promoted anything wrong. In fact understanding some of the OT passages that pastors skip over, has increased my faith. He actually made a point that the fact that the modern American church has glossed over some of this important teaching has been a root for the rise of new age, spiritualism and demonic practices. So many weird OT passages now make sense, and it even extends into the NT ( his teaching about when the a Lord said “on this rock I will build my church” and the significance of that geographic location was fascinating)

[@ASpeakingHuman]

Agreed. Had she simply disagreed with Heiser that's one thing. But she and panel of guest actually lied about Heiser and slandered him. I was shocked. I was heartbreaking. I watched some of the video. It was the amateur hour.

[@mary-janechambers3596]

Hospice nurses say it is a very common thing for dying patients to “see” and talk to their loved ones who have passed on. Are these all familiar spirits?????

[@Hope8x28]

I struggled with this too. I'm guilty of going to the cemetery and not like talking out loud to my loved one but mentally saying hey. At this point though I don't even think I am a true believer and have felt this for quite some time.

[@BetsysHeartstrings]

I pray that God will tell them I love them I don’t t know whether he tells them or not, but i get a warm feeling in heart and i take it that means the Lord is pleased that I live my deceased family member. I do not think that is sining.

[@simoneriveraify]

Thank you Doreen for reading the text about the dead not knowing anything. A Bible study on death will reveal that they are asleep until Jesus returns.

[@honibear]

@alisachilders and Doreen, thank you so much for this! I know that Alisa lost a nephew and Doreen her mother recently enough for the pain to still be very real. My condolences to both of you for that. We lost a precious daughter in 2022 and it disturbs me that her non-Christian friends try to communicate with her. Can you also please talk on dealing with the death of loved ones who may or may not have been saved?

[@andreahall405]

It's very tempting to interpret signs and see certain things as communication from a deceased loved one. Almost 3 years ago I lost my daughter Eden at 38 weeks pregnant. During that time, I was not a Christian. I was into New Age teachings.. The fact that I chose Eden as her name is one of the strange aspects of my testimony to Christ (which happened in June of 2023). Shortly after Eden's stillbirth, at the library and came across not one but two instances where the name Eden presented. Randomly I was walking the halls of the library in an utter stupor and came across a book in one aisle with Eden in the title. Several aisles down, again perusing randomly, I came across a book with Eden in the author's name. 2 months later, I reached out to a fellow photographer to see if I could come and shadow her during a newborn session (I had been intending to photograph my own daughter's infancy) and she said sure. I arrived to her home and the new mom arrived a bit later. The mom left the room and I inquired with the photographer what the baby's name was, and she replied Eden. I was flabbergasted. I had not shared my daughter's name with the photographer previously but did so after learning that the little baby in the next room over was named Eden. There are other instances that I could have believed were my daughter trying to get my attention but for some reason (most likely by the Grace of God), I did not fall for it. In moments of deep despair and grief. you'll do anything to try to make sense of a loss. I also went down paths of numerology, zodiac, birth flowers, etc etc etc after losing Eden. There is much more to my story but I wanted to share a bit to say that I do believe demons take advantage of people in their darkest moments of weakness.

[@silverfoxsmith8582]

So sorry for your loss. I pray the Lord will give you comfort in your grief...😢❤

[@annette8770]

I’m so glad someone is addressing this. I’ve never understood wanting to communicate with the dead, especially if they were Christians. If there is better than here, a place surrounded with the glory of God, no pain, sorrow, etc., why would I want to drag them back from that to this? Even as a child, I saw that as selfish. Slightly better than wishing them to visit me in hell, but still no comparison to immersion in the presence of God.

[@cherylwilliams4738]

They are NOT dead! They're more alive than ever.

[@annette8770]

@@cherylwilliams4738 we are all alive in Christ, they are in the heavenly realms with Christ. If I am to do unto others as I would have them do unto me, I would have the righteous indignation of Jesus in the Temple knocking over tables and swinging a whip, if someone dragged me from the literal presence of God to come back here. I pray that I have made clear enough to my loved ones that they are to trust God, not me. Trust his Word, not mine. Depend on him for direction, not me. Find comfort in him not me. If I haven’t communicated that clearly, then I pray God places in their path someone else who can make that clear to them. Otherwise they will not ever experience that joy and peace that I will be enveloped in.

[@cherylwilliams4738]

@@annette8770 👍🏼 I hear ya, and for the most part agree. But I truly believe we can have God ordained interactions btwn that realm and this realm. In my heart, I believe engaging the cloud of witnesses isn't wrong. Especially if Abba orchestrates it...Heaven is just a breath away. 😇

[@annette8770]

@@cherylwilliams4738 basic math says that if God’s Word warns over 60 times not to consult the dead, and one verse taken out of context that is referring to the patriarchs of the OT, not dead loved ones, it’s best to trust God and his Word. From Genesis to Revelation, the overwhelming theme is Jesus and trust in God. Communicating with the dead is trusting them, seeking comfort from them, relying on them for guidance, hoping in them for safety, hidden information, etc. All the things that we are supposed to seek in the living God. It’s very dangerous and I’ve never seen it have the long term peace that completely trusting God affords. Plus I’m a marvelous procrastinator. I have all eternity to catch up with grandma, meet my great time 25 grandpa, hang out with Jael and Deborah or Luke and Mary. If, and only if, that crosses my mind while enveloped in the pure glory of God.

[@Joey-z1l3x]

Sister, you are so beautiful. I pray it's the Holy Spirit shining through you. 😊 PS this is a woman that loves the Lord borrowing friend's phone.

[@lcraver4797]

I've been following Alisa for about 18 months now and confess this was one episode I nearly passed over but glad I didn't. Lost my wife 2 1/2 years ago and absolutely losing one's spouse is worse that a parent, grandparent etc since you didn't choose your parents + grandparents, but your partner? YOU chose them and they chose you. My wife was a new Christian when we married and at that time I was pouring myself into my career - I was in church on Sundays but not really the rest of the week. Not long after her death my children each separately told me that her "judgementalism" was what had driven them from the faith. (And I'm all too aware of what Jesus said in Matthew 18 and similar passages) So now I silently respond when I hear "Come Lord Jesus come!" (which I know I'm supposed to say 'Amen' to) with "Not yet Lord, not without my children!" (I do pray sometimes about "Lord I'm know I'm not supposed to pray for myself, but please let me live to see my children with you" or alternately "in my lifetime O Lord") While I do regularly mention her in my prayers it is always in terms of giving thanks for her, not praying to her - and it hurts knowing that heaven does not include anything like our married relationship. But that IS what the Gospel teaches about heaven and the Gospel is not something we get to put ticks on what we like and opt out of things we don't.

[@PilgrimStanding]

I wanted share with you, I hear the gratefulness for your wife in the words you've written here and also the sadness of her passing and the loss of that relationship. I would like to encourage you on two points if you would allow me. 2 Peter chapter 3 talks about how mockers will come saying that the Lord is not coming because of how long it has been. I want you to look at Peter's response to their mocking. He tells them that the Lord is not slow. But rather The Lord is the one who is patient not wanting any to perish. - We are often concerned with our children or family members, but we can trust that God's heart is greater toward them than ours. If they will be saved then God will not rush here before they are. 2nd I would like to draw your attention toward this idea. That while it is true that marriage seems to no logner be needed in Heaven. This is not because we lose out on our partner. Rather the points of marriage that make it so unique, knowing someone so personally and intimately. 1 Corinthians 13 speaks of love/charity and describes how we act when expressing love/charity. Also it goes on to say that once I saw as through a mirror dimly, then we shall see face to face; now I know in part then I shall know fully even as I am fully known. I conted that while this seems to be talking mainly about our relationship with God. Will it not extend to knowing one another fully, intimately in purity? One of the main ways God describes the church is as family. I would encourage you that when our marriages end from loss. We do not lose those things most prescious to us, but rather they go ahead perfected and we will join with them and the rest of our family into something we have that is better. I hope this is not speaking out of turn and that it will bless you. Grace and Peace.

[@Julia29853]

@@PilgrimStandingthat was beautiful! I have the same sadness and concern over my young adult kids who rejected Christ, My cry is, “please not yet Lord”. I feel so frustrated when people wish He would come soon. How can we wish for that when some that we love so much are not yet saved in Him? So I say in my heart as the original poster, please not quite yet, Lord so many dont know you!

[@Julia29853]

I relate to that so much about your kids not being saved yet. I really took comfort in Pilgrim Standing’s replying to you.

[@PilgrimStanding]

@@Julia29853 I'm glad it was able to bless you.

[@lcraver4797]

@@Julia29853 Yup - and while I have read the Scriptures from start to finish (and both have an excellent memory and memorized a lot of the Scriptures especially in my late teens) I went for the first two years without reading it at all. I've recently restarted and it sounds like 2 Peter sounds like a good place to go once I finish my current project (re-reading the Gospels) - on the other hand, 1/2 Peter are fairly short compared to the Gospels so perhaps I'll make a short detour.....

[@winterwoodcottage3657]

I wanted to hear this message but there are so many adds that I need to check out. How can we be discerning with million dollar false teachers and not recognize greed in our hundred dollar teachers. There is money in metaphysical claims and money in Christian claims. Jesus Christ is free for all who accept the free gift.

[@Pipers_hooman]

Is the "Grave soaking" that Sean Freut did considered necromancy?

[@tvtreasurechest6155]

Yes, this falls under the same category. The important thing to remember is nothing can be gleaned from the dead.

[@Peter_Morris]

I think Doreen has an episode on this on her channel. I believe it was focused more on Bethel but it’s called the same thing - grave soaking or grave sucking.

[@truthalonegirl]

Yes it is

[@kelsey4477]

I'm so curious how this topic could relate to the Catholic belief that we can pray to the saints and to mother Mary. I know many Catholics will say this isn't the same, and maybe I just don't have a good understanding of their theology, but I've often wondered if them praying to anyone other than God/Jesus directly could open them up to the same danger as trying to speak to a loved one who passed away. Any thoughts?

[@Ann-pn9or]

they are called familiar spirits....

[@jamieehrhard1442]

Thank you for revealing this stuff. I did this stuff and now I hear demons and not only that I hear God's voice speak through people like a roaring lion that are His children.

[@belovedbytheKing]

And yet as Jesus died he told the thief he would be in paradise that very day. Since Jesus death and resurrect the spirits of believers who die go to heaven. Their spirit is alive and with God. Can we/should talk to them? Absolutely not. I've had dreams and visions, from God, of my deceased family members. I don't interact with them. I didn't 'meet' with them. But they are in heaven in spirit. I don't seek these things, God gifted them to me for HIS purposes. Scripture tells us that in the end days God will send dreams and visions. (And there are many, many false dreams and visions.........test them before the throne of God and the Word of God) False teaching does need to be called out and warned against. Doreen is good at teaching about new age................some of her other videos are questionable, and she does not permit discussion.

[@karenlippett4342]

thank you both for your honest conversation. I would love to buy Seven weeks coffee but could not find a link to delivery to UK.

[@pamelah6431]

For those of us who don't use instagram, how can we contact Doreen?