All Aboard the Hype Train [Andrew Jones New Loudspeaker is Insane]

[@trevorparmer5231]

Man, I was there Saturday and caught his demo right before he left for lunch. I have to say, I was more impressed by these “less expensive” systems than some of the $500-$700k stuff. This room was awesome, the Q Acoustics with the little M2 stack, and the most impressive thing I heard were the Liquid towers in the Odyssey room. The only thing bigger than the soundstage of those things was Klaus’s personality. Those were $5,900 but DAYAM! I thought it was super cool to hear Andrew introduce his speakers and playing from “only” $12k in electronics made them even more impressive.

[@simoSLJ89]

Outside of my price range, and too big for my room, BUT it's always amazing to see a new Andrew Jones product! It's not just a new speaker, he always changes the industry. Hope to see your review Zeos!

[@anhiirr]

even from your comment i have hope that he'll set/re-define a new "gold standard" for price/peformance and a would be "ideal" sound signature for "modern" listeners....and eventually they "water down" aka downsize his initial design/sound into something more practical/cost effective at the expense of "volume/power" performance implications that are essentially his baseline for a would be flagship/industry product. ID say in a few years well have this "Cut down" more practical option for desktop/shelf speakers/monitors.

[@peterbaugh51]

Already did that. Elac Unify Reference.

[@Sonofholhorse]

It's worth noting that a speaker of that stature and "chonk" is not a Bookshelf speaker, it is a Stand-mount speaker. To put those beauties on a bookshelf is to slight The Audio Gods.

[@peterbaugh51]

X shelf.

[@Benvos]

I heard that same demo through my system and was blown away, you could tell just how big the sound would have been in that room. I’m patiently waiting to demo them at some point, could be a financial game changer.

[@zulikaner]

Is it possible to DIY build these speakers?

[@KXP70]

@@zulikaner no chance. They're completely custom designed drivers, you'll never be able to match them with off the shelf stuff.

[@boomerscs9193]

Not the video I was expecting from the title, but I laughed out loud! Thanks for making my evening. 😂

[@AudiophileJunkie]

Thanks for the shout out. I agree with your enthusiasm over the speaker, and kudos on the quasi "review"...especially the home theater application.

[@shobhitmathur5686]

Man, its so good to hear Z excited after So Long. Those speakers must be something to get Z all wired up. Eagerly waiting for a review.

[@DustinHaning]

Really hoping the DIY community can make a clone of these, don't think I will ever have the budget to get these.

[@ifitmakesnoise1659]

Save for 3 years.

[@bigjay1970]

In 3 months these will be all over the used Market like kef ls 50's.🤔🤫🤭😇

[@JohnLee-db9zt]

You must be poor af.

[@rabarebra]

This is not a huge budget. Save your money on better speakers than these.

[@anthonysmithjr.7388]

This is Zeos's best video ever

[@GoPerformanceCars]

Well I never expected anything less from Andrew Jones. ✌️

[@miagi1337]

"Here is a very strange Z Review" ... they all are that's why we're here

[@mndlessdrwer]

Didn't he start out at KEF, then on to Pioneer and ELAC? Makes sense that he has a strong affinity for single point-source driver technology. It's what KEF has been known for since the early 90's. Such a shame that the Pioneer models that he designed never took off. The Atmos implementation was very interesting.

[@impuls60]

I watched most of the vids from Capitol audiofest and the Andrew Jones speakers is the most technically correct built speakers. I'd bet they measure really well with a REW sweep.

[@lokerola]

These were my favorite speakers at Capital Audiofest. They just sounded amazing. You can keep your $1000K speakers. I'll take these for under $4k.

[@Kowinaida]

So which million dollar speakers have you heard...?

[@Podus81]

You forgot a zero.

[@jaw3410]

i think it's funny how so many companies have been pushing speakers with curved cabinets, claiming that non-parallel surfaces break up cabinet resonance....yet we seem to see more and more box speakers with parallel walls. Makes me wonder if that theory has any truth to it at all

[@drummerdoingstuff5020]

This proves Audio people are crazy as I am. This guy hears voices tho

[@MillerDvS]

He's trying so hard to not say "Sound squirt 10" I can feel it.

[@ZReviews]

Yep.. YEP

[@pappsa8]

The strange Z reviews the best reviews ☝️‼️

[@jeepdriver456]

I still love my elac debut b5's I found at a thrift store for 15 bucks..... I actually pinched myself when I found them... That was when I fell in love with Andrew Jones work

[@themastroiannis]

i would have fallen in love with the thrift store!

[@1981_Reacts]

I can confirm.... save up cash even if it takes you 2 years....and get a good pair of speakers. It will save you money compared to buying and selling $1000 speakers never getting the sound you truly want.

[@VintageVic93]

Very good point. I’ve just decided that I’m definitely going to save up for these. Might take a year or so, but it seems worth it.

[@anhiirr]

my thoughts exactly. ID second the same for any car/motorcycle etc. Get what you think youll like most, if you cant afford it but its within "reach" after a couple years of saving....make an "ACTION PLAN" of how to save/work etc to truly GET THERE when the time comes....who knows what may "release" by then once the allotted cash to spend/spare is available better/newer options may arise not exactly in the case of these AJ speakers but you may find something less expensive that suits your needs and have money to go around for new gear/etc to pair it with as well. Either way being in that position is MUCH better than being stuck half buried/in a bed you wish you werent stuck in.

[@anaxa4883]

Is your comment some kind of alley-oop sales technique?

[@dennisjohnson1802]

Whoa Nellie. How you feed said $1000 speakers can make or break them. Budgeting for a solid foundation - proper amplification, sources, good interconnects and speaker cables is so important. Pairing high $$ speakers with inferior components and cabling is like the tail wagging the dog. There are quite a few $1000 per pair speakers that will scale way beyond their price point when given a good feed. Once this foundation is set, any speaker upgrade down the road will let them sound their best.

[@peterbaugh51]

Get over price. Snake oil. Quality matters not price. Speaker is most important. Upgrade all else later.

[@zenstrata]

It's Andrew Jones-ception!

[@cane.srbljanovic]

It's so good that this video is not erratic, confused, pointless. We've learned so much.

[@TeensierPython]

Feel like these are the big brother to my KEF ls50.

[@nathanberger618]

I can concur on these speakers.

[@peterbaugh51]

I concur on your concurrence.

[@Z3NSEI]

Well, it's been quite the audio journey with you Z. You introduced AJ and the Pioneers to me; and this will be the final $4k I will spend on a pair of speakers. Looking forward to your review.

[@tomdix3621]

I listened to this speaker at CAF; it was excellent. Went back a few times, I thought they were very good, especially for the money.

[@naastradamus]

LOL's already at the "STFU!" at the 1:44 mark. Thank you Zeos.

[@Vietturtle2023]

Happy with my yamaha loudsystem

[@Atodaso]

Now I REALLY want these.

[@Justwantahover]

The Source Point speakers are time aligned coaxials, not just coaxials like your's. Time aligned coaxials have the diaphragm of the tweeter, level with the start of the woofer cone (where most of the higher stuff comes from the woofer). And crosses over with the tweeter at the same point (instead of the 1" gap like with your's). Sorry to be a nit-picker! You can build your own time aligned coaxials with a pair of Eminence 8" drivers (the ones with the 2" voice coil). And ALPINE 1" car dome tweeters DDT S30. Cheap! And about the only ones that fit inside the woofer voice coil hole. Cut around the outer case of the tweeter with a coping saw to get the tiny tweeter out (1.5" diameter). TINKERING REQUIRED (too long for a comment to explain how I did mine). I modified both drivers radically (for no sour notes) and they have an image to die for!

[@JuanGarcia-kv7yv]

Z!!! Wow you still have the JBL 590s!!!! Those things can kick ass!!!

[@mattd2503]

Great vid… I’m sure you know that when they set up a room they “teft” or analyze it with a computer ..with the right echo, reverb, response and sound deadness… etc.. your room with that ceiling insulation is not going to get the same optimum sound that he gets .. every room is different some rooms enhance and some rooms don’t .. that’s just the facts .. I hope people take that into consideration… by the way I build sound studios… there are so many variables,A slanted wall ,furniture, a straight,a lower ceiling a, vaulted ceiling , windows You get the point…

[@carminedesanto6746]

Daaauuummm $4K USD ..so &6k CDN . Add a decent amplification chain and sources 😱

[@elgrec0]

Choochoo!! Im in 🚂

[@brydon10]

Don't forget Andrew Jones work with KEF and TAD. Check out the TAD Reference One Loudspeaker (TAS 218) - what a beast.

[@aceofspades6667]

Klh model 7 is the only speakers I care about.. can’t wait until they arrive

[@jikenj]

I agree z I have the unifi uf5's and a pioneer elite center channel speaker by Andrew Jones with a coaxial mid-tweeter and they coexist with perfect synergy.

[@nazcaplain]

Only a few years ago people were saying the EXACT SAME THING about the JBL L100 Classic - me included. I heard them at the Florida Audio Expo back to back to speakers costing 10x as much and liked them more.

[@peterbaugh51]

As a rule, AJ speakers sound as good or better than 10x the price. Anyone care to debate?

[@nazcaplain]

@@peterbaugh51 AJ's speakers are usually a slamming deal, but so are the JBL L100 Classics. If I didn't already have a sublime pair of Thiel SCS3 speakers, I'd jump on either the new AJ speaks or the L100s.

[@ncrtrooper2370]

You've been costing me money since I was 16 zeos pantera. I'm 21 now and can't tell if you're the best or worst thing to happen to me cause I need these now

[@ZReviews]

If everyone gets these I can retire.

[@josealfredfernandes]

@@ZReviews Well, no problem. As long as I can place my 2 way point source perfectly.. it will do near identical work.

[@cuerex8580]

Well you have a reason to live then

[@toneswinger]

I don't care how these sound most Andrew Jones are operated. For a extra thousand dollars you could by the dynaudio contour 20i or or a bit more the kef reference r1 meta or philharmonic bmr monitor speaker

[@danksmoker420]

I scored two sets of Ohm Walsh for less than 200$ a set. The baskets on two need to be covered. The most amazing sound I've heard.

[@USA_Gooner]

Get your hands on these, zeos!

[@USA_Gooner]

@ZReviewsChannel Not falling for this one ☝🏼

[@clementc7297]

This looks like my system with KSD c8

[@labalo5]

This is trademark Z. Love this. And AJs speakers are giving my 20k horns a run for its money, sh’t!!

[@johngalt5411]

Look forward to your review.

[@stevensturgillschesstv4821]

Lots of fun Zeos! Love AJ

[@Acoustic_Theory]

You left out his formative years at TAD and KEF; Andrew Jones was a known designer long before the cheapie Pioneer speakers. His name only means anything because he knows what good sound is and designs good-sounding products.

[@ZReviews]

Oh hes been around. I think my audience and me personally only know him from Pioneer and Elac

[@hmv6666]

I wonder how they compare to the big Tannoys - Eaton, Arden, etc. seeing as these are also big concentric drivers.

[@ganck1147]

The original Tannoy Ardens are a class act. Heard these in the 80s & 90s. Left a deeep impression on me.

[@tonydeniro284]

No comparison to Tannoy...they invented the concentric driver in 1947.

[@ganck1147]

@@tonydeniro284 i can still recall the super majestic sound of the GRF memory during the 80s. At that time, not many speakers could compare to it in terms of scale, dynamics & musicality. The sound was also very effortless.

[@privateuser7726]

these mofi's under 4k & the borresens under 11k , best deals at the show.

[@michaelhastie7324]

Gotta Love Andrew J. He is seriously into sound and the long road to perfection. His designs and his expertise are nearly unmatched, and he has a lot of experience with financing his projects, eliminating worry about where to find the money necessary to perfect the drivers he chooses. Z... I am still having regrets about my choices in my career and watching you review stuff makes me envious.

[@MarkasTZM]

Could not disagree more strongly. His speakers are average at best and over hyped. Great at financing and hype, building great sounding speakers not so much.

[@pappsa8]

3 pair coming? Woooow!

[@rickp6731]

Match these speakers with the BAT VK-80i Tube amp and your be in audio heaven ! Go look at this video the audio reviewers were amazed !

[@simoSLJ89]

Zeos could you review the Harbeth P3ESR XD ? It would be great to have your opinion, considering them high end nearfield speakers.

[@mpi5850]

Here’s my take having auditioned them - only suited to classical, chamber and jazz. If you’re into rock, pop, or hip-hop look elsewhere.

[@asplmn]

Ahh, yes. The "loudness" feature which used to exist in many preamps and integrated amps. Huge perk in running a (restored) vintage preamp. 😁

[@thomasschafer7268]

Loudness exist today.

[@toneswinger]

I had a old yamaha amp that was boosted I have a a vintage NAD reference amp much better very clear and neutral and better dynamics

[@peterbaugh51]

Tubes even better than old loudness. Agreed new SS amps should have loudness.

[@asplmn]

@@peterbaugh51 in my case, it's VFETs which have the best of tubes and solid state. :)

[@danielstevenson-francis974]

I'm kinda hoping he will do an eight inch. The 10's may be for my smaller room. I heard in another video that other speakers are in the works. Still may end up withe 10's

[@thomasschafer7268]

Extra für dich? Oder was?

[@MasterMark5]

This was one of my favorite rooms at capital, Z did you get to hear the songer audio room with the open baffle speakers running through a topping d90se and tube amp? Sounded awesome

[@SpirallingOut]

Have you heard the Magnepan LRS+ and new dipole subwoofers yet? Would love to know how these compare to those.

[@ZReviews]

Ive not but considering how Magnepan are built it is a hard compare.

[@SpirallingOut]

@@ZReviews I've watched a few videos on here with people saying they were mind blown by both. But especially when it was revealed that the LRS+ wasn't playing at all. Just the subs were (even the highs). But in the regard to the LRS+, I specifically remember one where the guy said they sound so good they should cost $30000, not $1000 a pair. I remember because I then yelled at the TV "DON'T GIVE THEM IDEAS FFS!". You should get in touch with Magnepan and see if the will let you review them both. Maybe the Plus has improved build quality over the first iteration too.

[@TheHundrethmonkey]

​@@ZReviews Been subbed forever, Im surprised you havent done any magnepans, could be a goldmine for content..... The amount of fuckery is exhausting for the reward.

[@jackemerson9548]

With Black Friday and Cyber Monday, these speakers are under $3000 for the pair on mimic-audio (they have a 20% off code you can apply to these speakers).

[@marxman00]

i only listen to pink noise these days, all that music stuff never does my system justice

[@zaldronthesage]

I have been watching your channel for the past 3 weeks now, was on the fence because there is so much bullshit put out by lots of people with audio, but the pure passion you have for this fucking audio is beautiful bro. PS, your sub woofer is a coffeemaker

[@ZReviews]

Fresh Fish

[@tedthomas9809]

I am broken, and really excited. I really need these. What kind of power is needed for them? AJ is crazy good on this one. Really like the idea you don't need a giant speaker set up to be in the happy place.

[@phoenixrising4073]

Zeos said it was a 200 watt amp for the demo and another comment here said it was 12,000 in electronics pushing them (source, amp, preamp?)

[@stefanfrankel8157]

42 Hz? I get 33 from my Buchardts that cost me under $2000. I play them simultaneously with my Klipsches for the horn tweeters.

[@ZReviews]

Don't trust the numbers. Trust the ears.

[@mpi5850]

Buchardts are great, but these be a different beast entirely. 10 inch woofer in a concentric design = 🤯

[@philbarone4603]

I’ll only believe it when I hear them with my own ears. Watch when they come up used is my moto.

[@tobiaxelsson]

He was also involved quite a while in TAD, those are probably his best work imho, but rather expensive. The mofi's seems like quite a bargain when comparing to TAD! Really need to get myself a listen to the Mofi's once they hit the store!

[@bryang9290]

I get that they're big but many girls will be fine with those. My Infinity SM155s didn't scare any girls away and those things are twice the size and less classy looking than the Mofis. Now actually moving in together is a different story but I don't really care about that part because after the "new car smell" wears off of a relationship I'd rather go back to cranking tunes anyway.

[@jipillow1]

When are we getting an unboxing and "first thoughts" on the new house gremlin you have running around?

[@ZReviews]

They have been on my Twitch Livestreams since April.

[@privateuser7726]

3 would be the sweet spot for home theater, they should sell single speakers, not just pairs

[@marzcapone9939]

Andrew Jones said they are individually boxed, so you can get a 3rd.

[@ZReviews]

They do sell them one off.

[@privateuser7726]

@@ZReviews awesome !

[@HobbyTalk]

Speaker edumacation

[@peterbaugh51]

This is what happens when AJ gets unleashed. Thanks again Dr. Jones. Still loving my cheap Elac References. Try a tube preamp for kicks.

[@peterbaugh51]

I joined Club AJ.

[@sparkplug964]

Yeah them 10 look an amazing speaker for the money, I thought they would be a 20K+ price tag, £3.5K in the UK, even better.

[@kevinhamlett1400]

I had a Klipsch sub do that. I got external sub amp. took out internal amp and now its passive.

[@patb5266]

Quad ESL 63, a point source speaker from "back in the day" lol. They sounded amazing when correctly setup, but that was the problem.

[@Novilicious]

Imma buy these. I hope they sell five of them for a killer 5.5 surround sound system.

[@ifitmakesnoise1659]

Waf is not the same for this generation of 30-50yos. This will EASILY be accepted by a modern average wife as long as you say you paid $400

[@Pepe-dq2ib]

Looking through the comments, its all raving. Will these be a big upgrade over my jbl 4344?

[@BH4x0r]

Should try some Presonus Sceptre's, they're like the Eris but flatter response, especially in the bass, louder and they're coaxial

[@michaelharness3258]

Come February the stands will be available. I hope they have some kind of special for L C R. Package deal?

[@carlsitler9071]

Kef, Elac and now MoFi. But can they crank because the first 2 can't without falling apart.

[@mpi5850]

You must be referring to entry level KEF if you think they can’t crank, lol.

[@ZReviews]

I mean I was there with 200 watts. They were hammering. He even told a story about using the prototypes as outdoor speakers for a friends party. With a few DSP tweaks.

[@jag0937eb]

Make the sound demos from youtube music library, they won't unmonetize that way and we still get to hear the stuff, not the best, but better then nothing.

[@DescartesRenegade]

What are the frequency response charts?

[@simonkellaghan]

You know it's going to be good when you see the numbers 532☘️👍⚡🍀😆🙃😝🔉🔊🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶🎵

[@HotSause]

Impressive punch. But how they sound on natural acoustic instruments and voice, especially upper frequency? And engagement and soundstage?

[@ZReviews]

He played a pretty wide range. Nothing Wasn't impressive.

[@AnimeRoot]

Kneepads on for these I guess. I will reserve judgment for retail versions.

[@zenstrata]

Truly good speakers don't need a sub. They can handle their own sub frequencies along with everything else.

[@shawnorjiakor]

Not always... If you want full range performance, a sub is always needed.

[@thefrator5275]

@@shawnorjiakor Yeah no room is perfect and the nulls is the bass region are more easily resolved with a sub

[@peterbaugh51]

Ding! We have a winner! Subs are not needed if you have good speakers. I know. I sold my subs. They were money well wasted.

[@peterbaugh51]

Hey rock fans... What is the lowest bass note? 40hz. Bookshelves can do lower than that. Fact.

[@Nick_2i]

actually the lowest note on a 5 or 6 string bass is 31hz. also, you dont buy a sub because your speakers cant play low, you buy a sub because ideal speaker placement =/= ideal bass position. not to mention the fact that LOTS of music has plenty going on below 40hz

[@rrt08]

Z they did change out the Rose Amp.

[@augustinvaclavik6282]

Gosh, Z has to be a god. To create such a following from such useless content. Respect! Atleast ur not lying

[@abxaudiophiles]

Always a GREAT review. I share your enthusiasm with AJ and his work. Can you list the tacks Andrew used in his audition? Thanks Z.. :)

[@balachandran5761]

👍

[@Benvos]

I can name two: Seeya - Deadmau5 Differently - Marian Hill

[@russellstringfellow1109]

Love your rants! I’m really curious to see a comparison between Jones’ new speaker and the Forte IVs. Have you gotten your hands on a pair of those and I missed it? I auditioned a pair of the Forte’s driven by a solid state amp and kind of hated them. They were harsh and tinny sounding. I brought my own (humble Willsenton R8) tube amp and was immediately surrounded by sweet, sweet music. The store now only demos the speakers with a tube amp. I am in the market for a pair of 2 channel speakers and those are at the upper end of my range. I don’t have listening room to the Andre Jones speakers so any thoughts would be appreciated.

[@ZReviews]

Forte's are up in my sun-room. They are great big ole speakers. But I don't think they will hold a candle to these when Push comes to shove. They would need to DSP and self power the Forte to rock as hard as these weird things do.

[@dfrang1]

My friend .. those are the first midget full range speakers.. no full range towers , no full range bookshelf.. those are the first in between them..

[@peterbaugh51]

AJ out did himself again.

[@psyborg06]

Sucked into the marketing, you never heard of this guy before this speaker.

[@peterbaugh51]

What rock do you live under in trollville?

[@psyborg06]

@@peterbaugh51 Certainly not your "irrelevant response" rock.

[@misterringer]

Just goes to show you how much snake oil exists in audio. Love seeing these sub 4k sets competing with and beating 6 figure towers. For the most part, anything above this price range is just paying for status, except almost nobody cares about it except yourself :D.

[@BobFrostV]

Well, you can get towers that go down to 20hz at 100db, maybe a bit better. These bookshelves can't get close to that. But yeah, anyone spending 6 figures on a 30hz+ speaker is not getting a good deal imo.

[@peterbaugh51]

And we need 20hz why???????????

[@BobFrostV]

@@peterbaugh51 I'm pointing out that there can be an objective difference between these bookshelves and more expensive towers. I don't disagree that the vast majority of speakers can sound the same at a single listening position with room eq. So spending 10x more money is often subjectively a silly thing to do.

[@jackkan5987]

how much for the drive if you cook it and how long for a replacement ?

[@ikymagoo]

Do you have the link to the KZbin video you’re playing?

[@markdown01]

Interesting. Quality of sound & low end, appeared impressive. Looked up specs, a page has them down to 40 hz, cut off unknown (-6 db or -3 db). Flat response to 20 hz is ideal. The ultimate would be if he released a version with a 12" push pull sub below the 10" coaxial, that is active, so not only is the amp ideal, with simple analog (not DSP) controls to select a 40, 30, 20 hz cut off & simple high and low shelf EQs. They can be sealed, given no need to increase perceived bass with porting. They'd cost a bit more but would be the best (true) full range value bang for the buck ever.

[@YouSoundButtHurt]

Another expert. Where's your customer speaker?

[@markdown01]

@@YouSoundButtHurt Many companies release active versions of their passive models. Adding a sub to a speaker that is ideally matched isn't new either. I've customized a lot of audio tech, but not speakers yet. Allow this to be a place for ideas without getting easily triggered.

[@thefrator5275]

@@markdown01 that person that replied to was rather rude. Like jfc you just made a comment

[@peterbaugh51]

I only know of one song with 20hz sound. I can do with 37 hz from a small stand mount. No sub. No 20hz needed.

[@markdown01]

@@peterbaugh51 The speakers only go down to 40 hz. I know a lot of newer music with essential stuff at 25-40 hz they'd miss.

[@JayDpwnz]

KEF probably makes the best coaxial speakers (or atleast the most well known for their coaxial drivers) but I tend to find that you really need to pair a subwoofer with them.

[@ZReviews]

Blade's suck. Never heard a pair I liked and I heard them a TON.

[@JayDpwnz]

@@ZReviews I've never heard the blades myself but their R series and their L series were really good. If you ever get a chance to review the ls60 I think you would like them, especially for how slim they are. Out of curiosity did you listen to their updated blade 2 meta? Or one based on an older driver?

[@mpi5850]

@@ZReviews - interesting as Stereophile just gave them product of the year (meta version).

[@peterbaugh51]

Then they are not the best maybe?

[@peterbaugh51]

Rember snake oil. It rules.

[@54tristin]

Do you know what these speakers cost, you can buy a lot of different speakers

[@ZReviews]

$3700 a PAIR. Link has them in the description.

[@m4nc1n1]

Woot woot

[@genkifd]

having great speakers is awesome, but you also need to know how to set them up and in a well treated room. just putting them in the floor you aint ever going to get the best out of any speaker.

[@ZReviews]

Honestly, they need a pole mount like a PA speaker.

[@genkifd]

@@ZReviews Coulcnt think of a worst sounding speaker / system

[@peterbaugh51]

Gee, my PA speakers always had pole mounts too... Wonder why?

[@dennisbohner6876]

Snobbery has appeal to many to spend excessive funds on BS. I interacted by commenting on a vid with one store in Sarasots that was using VERY expensive equipment to determine, completely by ear, if CDs were a better format for audiophiles over streaming. I didn't mention that the obvious nature of copying causing entropy, an inevitability, I just stated that an inexpensive DAC to a receiver would have more meaning to the masses. I think that is important for the mid-fiers, lower high-enders out there. "I was told to go away boy you bother me." What's funny is that he didn't have to say that much for me to think I won't ever go to your store, even though I have the cash to buy product at any price point below the bleeding edge. They'll never see my blood. I BUY VALUE. I research everything prior to buying. While limiting the available field of products, I don't feel a fool when I purchase. I still make mistakes (returning the tektons cost me more than $400.) but I didn't do them blindly.

[@EvanZamir]

I guess MoFi has to win back some brand loyalty after the record controversy.

[@joenovak6393]

BINGO!!!!