ALL NEW BMW F450GS - The Good The Bad And The Ugly

[@marcbrasse747]

It’s the only GS I ever COULD consider buying but more importantly it will lead to a 450 evolution of the 310 road version. That can’t be too bad.

[@barebonesmc]

It may indeed

[@Motocentrick]

I love the style of this bike. I've never been a BMW fan but I love the look of this

[@barebonesmc]

Me neither but I agree 😊

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

Same here - I’d never buy a big GS but this is an absolute weapon clearly.

[@TheVigilantStewards]

I moved to Kenya and this is exactly what is needed here, a 170-175kg max weight with 350-400 cc engine. Rarely go over 100 kmph here and when you do it's not for long before you hit a speed bump, lots of rough roads and dirt roads... it's a beautiful place for varied riding and living on am motorcycle. I had an SYM 200 and that was almost enough, but couldn't carry a pillion. Now i have a 650 gs and it's too big, too heavy, and takes too much effort to do anything on as crowded as it can be here. So something in the middle is what I want

[@barebonesmc]

Sounds about right to me😊 good choices in that sector now😊

[@Pompomgrenade]

😅 The omission of wings, was the true genius in the project 🍻

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣🤣 I agree 😊😊👍

[@marcbrasse747]

Yeah but what to hide your scrawny untrained leges this time? 😁

[@surdzo]

Will see the spec, price and build quality how is going to look like, but for sure this is the best looking BMW so far.

[@barebonesmc]

😊😊👌

[@Yorkvomork]

21/18" wheels, less bulky tank, remove the fairing and the technical tidbits and voila you have a nice dual sport.

[@barebonesmc]

😊👍👌💪 a twin pot X Country 😊

[@adstryker5084]

BMW loves their camel-hump fuel tanks. I'd prefer a much lower, KTM-style saddle tank with a seat that runs 6" to 12" farther forward, so you can get up over the front tire when you need to (like the KTM 640 Adventure).

[@barebonesmc]

@@adstryker5084 sounds like you want a 790 😊

[@RichardS-qh8mi]

This the best looking bike yet to come to this super competitive market since the 450MT. Not too bothered about the rad shroud to be honest, quite like the angles they’ve decided on and especially like that rear end with the swept up pipe. Can’t wait to try one and can feel my money parting company with my hand already.😃

[@barebonesmc]

pmsl :-) the 450 MT has hardly landed yet :-) but i have to say i agree on this one :-)

[@mikeisland7382]

For the long term I think it's a smart idea for BMW to go after a younger market. I noticed in a recent "live" video that all the customers checking out the GS at the motorcycle show were of a much older demographic. As for the bike I think it looks good other than the front tire.

[@barebonesmc]

The 19” front does just seem wrong 🤣

[@briangc1972]

@@barebonesmc The 19" tire fits a certain market of riders that "off road" means a fire lane, or 2 track jeep trail, but not hard core riding over logs. Also, their demographic is aging and as other channels have been pointing out, the riders of liter+ ADV bikes are downsizing as they age. This will keep those riders as BMW customers instead of seeing them sell their GS and buy a CF Moto or Kove. Many aging riders don't want or need the 21" tire. BTW. Keep up the great work!!!

[@barebonesmc]

@@briangc1972 fair comment. But I still wish it had a 21😊

[@Emily-ou6lq]

Front hub/disc size/spoke to rim configuration won't allow for a 4p caliper in combination with a 21" rim due to the spoke angle

[@barebonesmc]

Hmmm. Wider triple clamps and stepped carrier?

[@Emily-ou6lq]

@@barebonesmc That would solve it but I highly doubt they'll implement those mods just to be able to offer a 21"

[@barebonesmc]

@@Emily-ou6lqI guess that depends how loud the shouts are😂😂😂

[@Emily-ou6lq]

@@barebonesmc A bag of rice fell over in Chayna....😁

[@Alkumist]

This bike really does look stunning. I would get if I didn’t have issues with bmw doing some real anti consumer things… and if it had a comprehensive tool kit like the new 450 Himalayan.

[@barebonesmc]

Go on tell me😊

[@Alkumist]

@@barebonesmc most is from the car division, and I’m worried it would come over to the motorcycle side like a subscription plan for heated seats.

[@barebonesmc]

@@Alkumist😂😂😂

[@lr_spb]

Word on the street is it'll be made by TVS in India. If BMW prices it just a smidge above the 390 ADV R and Tuareg 457, while slapping on a 21" front wheel, we’ve got ourselves a proper winner

[@barebonesmc]

IF we get a 21” front 😊

[@MotoRidesVietnam]

​@@barebonesmc there will be aftermarket kits for the die hards. Unless BMW offers variation choice

[@barebonesmc]

@@MotoRidesVietnam😊😊

[@slakk5093]

I want one, guess I’ll start saving now

[@barebonesmc]

😊😊😊💪👍👌

[@paulred158]

There’s a clip I saw of this being revved up at Eicma , sounded very good, not like a single. I like it.

[@thedood4713]

Bmw makes cool bikes ,I prefer older bikes but I wanna get an adventure bike.

[@barebonesmc]

They do pretty well at most things 😊

[@davidwelsby3936]

Looks good but the price won't be

[@barebonesmc]

😊😊

[@70sport37]

The test rider should demand a chain guide covering the rear sprocket!

[@barebonesmc]

Well spotted 😊

[@guzziman]

My feeling this will be a huge seller for BMW, especially with Tubless spokes, which is huge upside for people like myself, that hate dealing with tubes, the bike looks amazing and hit an empty spot in the market, hopefully it is priced 10 to 12k, USD that will be fair

[@barebonesmc]

I think if they can make it sun 10k without watering the design down it could do very well

[@Robert-xs2mv]

$9999?

[@guzziman]

@ I like it !

[@tshlk]

Doesn't it have to have rbw throttle according to eu regulations? Tc and all?

[@barebonesmc]

Don’t think it has to have traction control but expect it will. Abs is only mandatory above 600 or on passenger carrying vehicles but it can have a cable throttle still with abs. I think rbw becomes the way when rider modes are introduced into the equation

[@stevetaylor9265]

Not sure what to think about this? I guess the weight and price is what would matter to me personally.

[@barebonesmc]

Plenty of unanswered questions at this stage 😊

[@playnicebegoodtoothers6944]

I run a Scrambler XE and the weight is an issue particularly when it’s laid down-angle on a trail! I could get down with this BMW.

[@barebonesmc]

I like the XE. it is a problem with many

[@MrStr8den]

Hi Ian. I quite like the look of this bike too style wise, but it is not the radiator cowling that I thought a bit out of place, it's tje belly pan/engine gaurd - it looks too low as it appears that the engine sit high in the frame (unless it's only the clutch and it has a deep sump?!) Talking about Rotax twins, I have an older BMW F800r that uses a 360° firing order - Husqvarna took this engine out to 900cc and adopted an unusual 315° crank in their Nuda 900. Any of your thoughts regarding the 315° firing order would be most welcome. Cheers!

[@barebonesmc]

The 315/45 degree firing order makes more sense and I can sort of see why it would cut primary but increase secondary vibration in theory. Not ridden a Nuda long enough to make proper comment really though tbh

[@MrStr8den]

@barebonesmc the vibration is a good point and as a considerating factor the 360° BMW/Rotax engine has a dummy con rod to ease vibration (it actually works quite well) and I wonder if this same arrangement would work as effectively for the 315° firing order; is this dummy con rod used only for primary vibration??

[@diggy-d8w]

There's been a small offering in the 450cc area of bikes.... Honda throws their 450, 500x, & 650 respectfully. But an affordable bike is getting harder to find in any size. If you have little money, you's better have access to tools & people to assist in repairs of used bikes. The front of this like looks like a Transformer - like it can turn into another entity like movies show? I'm seeing the entire industry starting to fight b/c they see a slowing down of sales which will prompt some competition between all the "Giants" of our world. I'll wait on your opinion on who's doing what to compete with WHO? Always good to hear you keeping busy & on top of this massive industry. peace Sir

[@barebonesmc]

Hope alls well mate. Mad busy right now. We shall see what actually comes to market on this one😊

[@diggy-d8w]

You've got a knowledge of the Industry like only a few have. From the experience of riding & wrenching them you have become very smart but then there is another dynamic.... Knowing about the Corporation, what their CEO's ^ CFO's are doing in the backroom by discerning what they're saying out in front. I know little but I'd want to know if any of the major holders of stock have "shorted" their holdings ahead of announcement for reorganization ? I'm not vested nor do I have the skills to chase out that but I do wonder if it has happened here? You my friend, have to be, "MaD BusY" in keeping up w/ all of this. I am enjoying it, you're giving me some relief in ways I only wish I could share. I smile each time a video drops, no exaggeration. Thanks for everything. peace

[@Bok2022st]

I think this thing looks pretty good as long as there's not too many electrical gadgets on it .and the price tag isn't astonishingly high, like most BMWs but it is a Great Leap Forward in appearance rather than the great overweight so-called abv giant, BMW's we have seen and you can guarantee there would be many add on parts on this bike simply more money but if I see it in Australia, I would definitely be giving it a blast I hope all is well my friend.💯✌️👑

[@barebonesmc]

Ayup mate. All is ok. Contractors finally gone🤣🤣 just mad busy now n have mot on vstrom due so gotta sort that but should be fine. Hope ur doin ok. I think this one has potential for sure 😊

[@Bok2022st]

@@barebonesmc I was actually thinking the same if the price isn't too damaging, always good to hear that (Ayup) I love it never heard that before you said it. but it just as a familiar ring I like hahaha cheers mate always brings a small to my face mot is that some kind of test I'm guessing the Strom should be right if I know you cheers King take care💯👍

[@barebonesmc]

⁠​⁠@@Bok2022st it’s a local greeting 😊 MOT all done. Just making a heat shield for exhaust i have try stop wrecking my textile trousers 😂😂

[@Bok2022st]

@@barebonesmc That's good news that's over and done with is this a yearly thing mot. you guys do but you must keep those in one piece they must be some realy RARE trousers or is that short for burnt skin🔥... And I wish I had kebler trousers lol 😂✌️🤙

[@barebonesmc]

@@Bok2022st yes it’s a yearly ROADWORTHYNESS check 😂😂 re the trousers no not rare. But I’ve melted the leg on 2 pairs over the years now n just after buying a new pair I didn’t want to deck them😂 funnily enough I buy from a small n relatively cheap company called bikers gear Australia 🤣 been using their stuff for years n they have served me well 😊 although as with everything they aren’t as good as they once were😊

[@steveeichelberger806]

Looks like it’s designed for a solo only bike. Looks like a fairly production ready bike.

[@barebonesmc]

Looks like design lifted straight off the 1300 so I’m guessing pillion seat in on the extras list 😊

[@jerryrathman5717]

I did well enough in physics and geometry to understand the advantages/disadvantages of 19 vs 21 inch wheels, but what I can't seem to understand is how after a decade of huge ADV bike sales, many with 19 inch front wheels, we are still saying "There are more options for 21" offroad tires". Seems like by now tire manufacturers would have added offroad tread designs to 19 inch tires.

[@barebonesmc]

A good point 😊😊

[@Emily-ou6lq]

Beijing Motor Werke?

[@Jungleland33]

More like Break My Wallet.

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣 or Bombay Motor Werke maybe 🤣🤣

[@nickabrahall1412]

BMW have made some cracking bikes only held back by price. If it’s made in India it will be a real seller

[@barebonesmc]

With the tariffs In place I don’t think it unreasonable to think that they will manufacture in both India and China. Each market is potentially big enough to support its own production runs

[@Fubar684]

Interesting bike. From my own off road experience, a 21" front is much more stable. I'd have my money on that new KLE500.

[@barebonesmc]

I do have a soft spot for the old kle😊

[@AdriaanScheepers-x5x]

When is the one with a 21" front wheel be launched ?

[@barebonesmc]

Not even talked about

[@Emily-ou6lq]

Not even possible with that fork/hub/disc/caliper/spoke to rim configuration.

[@aldra744]

It will be Dakar version

[@joshdoddadbod]

Not sure why everyone is so crazy about a 21" front wheel. In my offroading experience, ive barely noticed a difference between a 19 and 21, and i do more offroad than 90% of riders.

[@barebonesmc]

I run a 19. But over rocks a 21” makes a big difference. But I’ve ridden past many riders with smaller lighter more dirt focused bikes. But I’m just daft 🤣🤣

[@jamescampbell4334]

I can attest that there's a significant advantage to a 21" when riding across deep ruts and washout. Significant! For clarity, I put over 20k miles on my DesertX in 18 months, 1/3rd off-road.

[@joshdoddadbod]

@jamescampbell4334 what are you comparing to? Have you offroaded with a 19" wheel in the past? I have, and yes I've gone across ruts over rocks, rock shelves etc. I guess it's just a matter of opinion. I wouldn't hesitate to get another bike with a 19" front myself as I've never had an issue.

[@jimtitt3571]

​@@joshdoddadbodIt's a matter of fact that to get the same tyre contact patch with a 19 compared to a 21 means the tyre has to be wider which makes handling in mud and soft ground/sand considerably worse. There's no comparison in difficult off-road and I wouldn't buy the BMW for exactly that reason as well as the lack of good tyres.

[@panic_diver]

It's not about issue, I have seen people riding a scooter on some of the most remote parts on what you can hardly call a path and they also made it home. 19 to 21 is a noticeable difference in ride quality off road, 19 can still do everything, it's just smoother on a 21. It's about choosing the best tool available and quality of life.

[@iangriffiths9930]

I looked at the bike at the NEC show, not keen on how the sump guard is fitted to the actual sump it’s self! Engine just looks very exposed to me

[@barebonesmc]

The kove 800 and transalp are like that too but at least the kove has a crumpled zone 🤣🤣 triumph do it too. It is a daft idea

[@marksparks59]

Saw this at the NEC M/C Live, agree that it looks good. To me, the rad and tank trims are a bit of a styling oddity and look almost like a nod to MotoGP winglets, no business being on an Adventure bike...but how many will actually see a dirt track?

[@barebonesmc]

That would be my only reason to buy one😊

[@jasonwoods50]

I messaged BMW Motorrad to get them to clarify the weight situation. They told me it was a dry weight without fuel. So basically this is going to be the same weight as the CFMOTO but with more power. Like everyone else I would like less weight. I get the impression that because it is over 47 hp (48) it must be at least 175kg dry to be A2 compliant. Personally i would prefer 46hp and 165kg dry! It will be interesting to see what happens on release.

[@barebonesmc]

Any clarity on firing order idea? Re weight. I agree but would go further. 40-45hp 150kg dry and a power up kit to give more power. It’s not rocket science but they won’t do it because it would cost sales 😢

[@jasonwoods50]

@barebonesmc Re firing order I didn't ask. To get 150kg dry from a twin is very ambitious would Involve a lot of expensive stuff and would result in a bike too expensive and thus not appealing in the market.

[@barebonesmc]

@@jasonwoods50 ambitious? yes maybe, doable? certainly, expensive? not necesarliy per unit, but it would cost every manufacturer including whoever built it in sales of bigger bikes. but ok, lets split it at 160 dry 175 fully fuelled 🙂

[@jasonwoods50]

@@barebonesmc I would settle for that!😜🤣

[@barebonesmc]

@@jasonwoods50😂😂

[@JoseAlvarez-dl3hm]

I do not like it to be a solo riding bike. I would have liked it more if this motor were put in the g310gs, that would be great!

[@barebonesmc]

I am guessing the twin seat will be on the extras list 😊 and who knows. You may get a bike more similar to the 310 if the shouts are loud enough

[@paullaverty3038]

Yes I like design of this motorcycle, very much, I'm agreeing with you 100% about the front and the wings that look stupid to me. They look like they tried to take some road, racing engineering and stick it on from race road bike, dumb idea.It will break as soon as it falls over. But like all BMW products delivered are expensive. It will be a while until we find out the durability and how well and smooth this bike will ride and run.It's all about the price they got to keep competing with the chinese, or they won't compete

[@barebonesmc]

I think the likelihood is Loncin or maybe TVS will build it to try and keep prices down. But the rumour is they are moving back to Rotax so who knows 😊

[@MotoGuzziMoto]

Wider 19" wheels do not work as well as 21" in mud, sand, loose gravel or ruts. That is about 90% of my riding so is an easy decision, but I also think riders that do only a few trips offroad a year would be better off with the 21" front. Let's be real, how many riders require the slight improvement in road manners of the 19" wheel? It would be far better to put the emphasis on keeping you upright on gravel roads and dirt tracks.

[@barebonesmc]

I’d agree😊😊

[@andyhoward940]

Will they be fitting a cheaper Chinese engine again and not pass on the savings

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

You have to ask?

[@barebonesmc]

Rumour is they are moving back to Rotax built engines

[@andyhoward940]

@@barebonesmc I had a rotax engine donkeys years ago in a aprilia 6.5 moto , great engine back in the day 👍🏻 😀

[@barebonesmc]

@@andyhoward940 still got my pegaso with same engine 😊

[@regizehrgaming5190]

Well it does look nice but if it come to my country surely will mark up the price until cant be affordable to all

[@barebonesmc]

Where are you? The prospect is maybe Indian or Chinese built to keep prices LOWer 😊😊

[@_hold_the_line_]

Looks like the Tuareg 459 could be the be the winner.

[@barebonesmc]

We shall see 😊

[@paulred158]

Something Cagiva Raptor about the fairing horns leading to tank

[@barebonesmc]

😊 yep. I spotted that watching it back 😊😊 it is a proper bitza 😊

[@aldra744]

Beautyful moto

[@barebonesmc]

Certainly looks better than many do 😊

[@joshdoddadbod]

Would love to see a vid of your opinion on the ktm 390 adv

[@barebonesmc]

Sometime maybe. I do plan a small capacity adv one at some point but mad busy and Dakar approaching 😊

[@Tonymarony5113]

Comment to keep the algorithm happy.

[@barebonesmc]

Cheers mate you’re a gem

[@ComfyDadShoes]

Thanks for going over this. I’ve been super interested in this segment despite being perfectly happy with my current bikes. They’re just really interesting

[@barebonesmc]

I think a lot of people are downsizing or ready too

[@AaaBbb-qo7un]

It's Gaban Rider bikes !

[@barebonesmc]

?? GABAN rider?

[@georgemorrison6689]

To be fair it looks the dogs, thanks for sharing

[@barebonesmc]

No worries 😉 I like it too 😊

[@DatBikerDude]

Hope they make some in China

[@barebonesmc]

At loncin maybe?

[@RichPober]

I want one, with wings!

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣🤣🤣 a red bull special? 😊

[@819jt]

Could not agree more with this; let's see this bike put up against Dakar.

[@barebonesmc]

That would be good. But didn’t they bar twins after the Aprilia RXV?

[@819jt]

Oops, I don't know that history well enough to discuss, but people want to see more of what Pol Tarres was doing with the Teneré, so what I really mean is that it needs to get sent to the races

[@819jt]

...but nearly 400lbs with a 47hp bike is kinda chubby 🐽

[@barebonesmc]

@@819jt they aren’t limited in cylinders but they are speed restricted to 100mph now apparently 😂

[@TheLiddleBigChannel]

Wet Weight is DIN spec at 90% fuel.

[@barebonesmc]

Always 🤣 honest guv 🤣🤣 I think the kove800x is the only one I know that’s actually come in on weight 😊

[@cainbeeping8480]

It is a great looking bike

[@barebonesmc]

I think so too

[@chadkline4268]

It seems we keep these silly 17in rear wheels to keep the shorties happy. If you use a 19in front, why not a 19in rear. Both wheels need to roll over the same things.

[@barebonesmc]

😂😂 I’m guessing rotating mass comes into it but it is true that matched wheel sizes do have their advantages. But with a wider back tyre the profile is deeper so outer diameter of rear is closer to outer Diameter of front than it might seem 😊I run a 19 front wider 18 rear so rotation size is pretty similar overall 😊

[@chadkline4268]

@@barebonesmc my 1971 R60/5 has 19in both front and rear. The 17in rear also sets the gas tanks much higher. Motorcycles in the past didn't have such ball breaking gas tanks. I also looked into 18in rear wheels. I checked motorcycle injury statistics, and 1 in 6 suffer severe injuries to the groin these days. When they used 19in rear wheels, the seats were lifted so that the tanks were not a potential danger to the groin.

[@barebonesmc]

@@chadkline4268my laverda runs same wheels front and rear and I talk about it in this video Are Wide Tyres Better On A Motorcycle? kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3qtiqh8ptylrLs Re injuries 😂 you learn something every day😂😂😂

[@chadkline4268]

@@barebonesmc I decided to read a little in the topic, and there were a lot of elements in deciding wheel sizes, from contact patches to costs. But it seems to be a somewhat arbitrary decision. Yes, so tanks do concern me to some degree: About 15% of injuries involving motorcyclists are pelvic injuries, says Dr Tom Whyte, an injury biomechanics engineer and researcher at NeuRA. Pelvic injuries from motorcycle crashes can be permanent and result in difficulties with basic activities such as walking, sexual function, or urinating. They typically occur when the motorbike makes a front-on impact with another vehicle or object and the rider hurtles over the tank and bars. Thanks for your replies 🙂

[@barebonesmc]

@@chadkline4268 thanks for the info. Interesting stuff😊 makes you think😊

[@KirkAnderson-l3i]

Remove all electronics, give Buyers the option of 19/21 inch front. Fully adjustable suspension, no ESA. Stick to the KISS principle and keep the price at respectable levels. However I think many manufacturers are behind the 8 ball. Chinese bikes are on the March and many will shop with their wallets, not with their hearts.

[@barebonesmc]

I just like the fact not everything is so huge this year😊

[@martyn_g]

The continual pursuit of the “unicorn”makes me laugh. KTM made one for years - 150kg, the 690. And the new DRZ comes in at around 151kg. So if weight is pivotal, the new ‘450’ class of bikes are all elephants😂

[@barebonesmc]

I think closest so far was the gpx450 ccm. Everyone wanted a 600 version though 😊

[@steves5382]

Too Tall, Everyone is now copying the T7, but we want a lightweight 6speed 450.

[@barebonesmc]

Is it not 6 speed?

[@brianjmt5213]

Awesome bike and I love to have one. But as usual bmw will screw that up with a high price and a high seat. These companies could get over ripping us off they have great bike sales.

[@barebonesmc]

We shall see. I see a cheap base model made in China and/or India and a more expensive one with all the trick bits

[@ERUtheWINDRIDER]

The fork of this bike is totally unajustable as I've seen @EICMA, also visible in your footage. In my not so humble opinion, copying 1300 GS style is a mistake, much better inspiration would have been the 900GS considering the bmw stated that the small GS is a trail bike.

[@barebonesmc]

Not what I was told. And you can see there is damping adjustment on rear too. I have to say much as I’m not a bmw fanboy I do actually like this

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

I can tell you the "firing order": first the left, then the right. Maybe you mean the crank pin offset?

[@barebonesmc]

Ok clever 😊 but you know what I meant and it is an accepted way of saying it even if it’s not a perfect description. Firing interval perhaps although that would indicate a time element. And I thought I was pedantic 🤣🤣

[@Ijusthopeitsquick]

@@barebonesmc "Firing order" is only a useful term for engines with more than two cylinders. "Firing interval" is a useful term for all engines with more than one cylinder.

[@barebonesmc]

@@Ijusthopeitsquickyep. I’ll agree I should have said that 😊 I’m not perfect but I do my best 😊

[@markheap3427]

Oh, come on boys. Kiss and make up. It is only a molehill next to the mountain

[@jamesonpace726]

Wish they'd make a smaller displacement boxer motor. Anything else isn't really a BMW....

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣 I like a narrow profile 😊

[@macsmith6216]

BMW already get their smaller engines made in China, and not very good reviews Will be interesting to see where the components are made, never mind where it’s bolted together

[@barebonesmc]

If you listen I say the rumours are they are moving away from Loncin in China back to Rotax who originally designed and built the 800 twin 650 single and 450 single they used

[@macsmith6216]

@ Exactly rumours, nothing more at the moment their smaller engines are built in China

[@macsmith6216]

@ Apparently it will be built by TVS in India

[@Toniitony]

this bike looks so sexy to me.

[@barebonesmc]

😊👍

[@bikenavbm1229]

as a GS 12 rider 17,19 wheels are a pain on the trail especially the quicker stuff which is where the big bikes kinda shine, but probably the right combination for the 12, this bike is crying out for 2 options one as a compromise cheaper basic bike 19,17 wheels and a lighter non learner trail version 18,21 wheelset . whatever, it will be too expensive for the younger market and too small for the average BM driver, perhaps I am wrong . Still looking for the light 45hp 240mile sensible adv bike oh by the way BMW it only needs one cylinder, it seems there are only a few like me as nobody wants to make one for me. Kove i think kicked themselves in the ***** they should have made a adv version of their "racer" 450 just tone that rally down a bit for us 50+ year olds.

[@barebonesmc]

There is a lower version of the kove. Would that not suit you? BMW did do the X Country 450 single but it didn’t sell. Great bikes though

[@bikenavbm1229]

@@barebonesmc think even the lower kove would be too tall for a wonky old short ass like myself, never seen one in the flesh , less racey engine single tank similar to the old ktm640adv, I think all that tank rally hype is overkill for us in europe, but then KTM about to fall out of the rally market who knows. BMW 450 yeh rare beasts no parts available for the motors appaerently in ccm guise would have been my bike if the kinks had been ironed out. Changes are coming for us less choice likely in the med term. keep up with the insights ta from wet Wales.

[@barebonesmc]

@@bikenavbm1229 lol. I like the 500 kove tbh. The one no one talks about. Think cb500x with better suspension 😊 proven. Sold as macbor Montana in Spain. That was one of Zhang xue’s designs

[@philipfreeman72]

B.M.W. parts are TOO EXPENSIVE !!!

[@barebonesmc]

When they last that’s ok. But …..

[@jimbroen]

This bike is not at all for me but it is very handsome.

[@barebonesmc]

As always there’s things I like n bits I don’t 😊

[@jimbroen]

@@barebonesmc The 1970s and 80s were my decades for owning dirt bikes. I'm sure it would be a wonderful motorcycle and I would definitely look twice at a street only variant.

[@barebonesmc]

@@jimbroen being honest I think it will be a decent road bike as is. I like a high/commanding riding position in most situations these days 😊

[@jimbroen]

@@barebonesmc I'm sure it will be a very nice ride that I would enjoy immensely. I put about 16,000 km on six cylinder touring machine this summer. Over the same period I put 4300 km on a supermoto and 3000 km on an NC. I get to ride a lot. I'm of average height but I appreciate the higher seat height and upright riding position of the sumo. The market has several options for dual sport machines that I would be very happy riding around in my Canadian Prairie city. Although these options exist, the supermoto comes out of the box better suited to how I ride. The wheel, tire and suspension setup is a better choice for someone who doesn't willing go off road. The point I'm trying to make is that it's not possible for me to own and ride all the bikes I find compelling. I buy used so that my budget allows me to switch more often. As motorcycle enthusiasts we live in a very blessed time with an overwhelming amount of choice and that's a problem I don't mind having. I'd love to try a Streetfighter but it's never going to happen. There are far too many choices that are more pragmatic and affordable. KTM's current problems might lower the price of used Superdukes to the point where I could replace my ten year old well loved NC with orange. Time will tell.

[@joshdoddadbod]

Id like a manufacturer to not follow A2 regs so we arent trying to ride an underpowered brick

[@barebonesmc]

And I see no reason that couldn’t be done with a simple re chip

[@ScottHintz]

So you want a cable throttle and some drum brakes ehh? No.

[@barebonesmc]

I didn’t say drum brakes. But a cable clutch and throttle yes. What is it they say. Keep it simple 😊 ps. Anyone who disses drum brakes has obviously never ridden an old laverda sf or gt750. Or anything with a 4 leading shoe ceriani brake up front. And probably only uses stainless rotors on the discs too 😊

[@noidreculse8906]

I have never liked the “beak nose” styling on bikes. My usual BMW complaints are that the dealership employees are more arrogant than the BMW riders I meet on the road.

[@barebonesmc]

I have fond memories of the DR BIG 🤣🤣 locked ecu’s are a pain too

[@vistazo9]

👏 👏 👏 👏 😅😊😂

[@BradSabako]

BMW riders are literally the best riders on the road. Must be you

[@barebonesmc]

@@BradSabako😂😂😂

[@noidreculse8906]

@ What do you mean by “best”? Excellent riders? Really good sports? Out going and friendly? I meet all kinds of bikers, from Harley clubs, crotch rocket bros, and Dirt Bikers. It’s definitely not me. You must own one, otherwise you would agree with me.

[@Steve25g]

last 20 year's plus, most bikes became a dealbreaker for me.

[@barebonesmc]

I understand that 😊 what you riding?

[@Steve25g]

@@barebonesmc gsxr 1100, '93, still looking for an '89, and a recently stolen yamaha xt from "89

[@barebonesmc]

@@Steve25g nice 😊. Sorry re the XT. and good luck with that and the other search

[@gabrielkopp2036]

At least they the exhaust in proper location

[@barebonesmc]

🤣🤣🤣 that is one of my pet hates on most new adv bikes 😊👌

[@gabrielkopp2036]

@barebonesmc my point exactly.. I hate that manufacturers still put it way out and barely of the ground on a flimsy bracket that bends or breaks when you drop the bike then it damages the swing arm.. we all complain about it and yet it never changes

[@videosbruno]

Pay 10k for the badge or 6k for the more capable mt450, it's your wallet

[@barebonesmc]

lol. Remember we don’t all want the same bike 😊 but I don’t buy badges 😊 ffs I ride a Suzuki most of the time 🤣🤣

[@silverdale3207]

Remember the MT 450 is 20 kg heavier though, a very heavy bike for it's power.

[@Pompomgrenade]

😮 I can't believe the nonsense of road bike companies like BMW. Coming from the dirt bike scene, all the manufacturers from Japan and KTM... Announce models in August, made available by October.. for the subsequent year of presented models available... BMW announcers the 450 that will be available at the end of 2025???? 😂 Why not sell seats to destination vacations on Mars? Maybe with guaranteed transportation by gas gas? Or a layover on the moon at the Husqvarna lounge?

[@barebonesmc]

Honestly if they actually get to showrooms 2 years after LAUNCH they are doing well these days 🤣🤣🤣

[@kneadedmassage9751]

The welding on the frame... I'm not a welder, but that, in my eyes, looks like crap..... maybe some one with more expertise can comment.

[@barebonesmc]

Eagle eyes lol 😊 someone always spots something I miss 😂😂 to be fair though it was a prototype 😊

[@kneadedmassage9751]

@barebonesmc i used to braze bicycle frames, and want to get into tig welding the thin stuff (0.020"wall thickness) so weld quality is an issue for me

[@barebonesmc]

@@kneadedmassage9751 😊😊 I understand 😊

[@TringmotionCoUk]

So , i think this engine is destined for this bike as well, possibly with a norton badge on it kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3qZaYiXh8ZngK8si=oamMsEa5xfcVahBJ

[@barebonesmc]

It’s a 300 though not a 450

[@janezkovac6692]

10k for chinese bike

[@barebonesmc]

Lol

[@Robert-xs2mv]

Australian dollars have become the new peso. While once on par with the $US, now it is barely worth half a $US,

[@Pompomgrenade]

It's a real attention getter, kind of like bait 🪤

[@barebonesmc]

Yep. They are dangling it and judging the reaction to guide the price methinks 😊

[@piterhonda]

Bmw jest tak samo dobre jak ktm 🤭

[@barebonesmc]

We shall see. But ktm shelved the 490 twin project 3 years ago now

[@lonecoyote5454]

That’s no adventure bike, not even close with its ergonomics.

[@barebonesmc]

Being honest I’m not sure what it is lol.

[@garygrainger5810]

OMF................... i struggled to stay awake!!

[@barebonesmc]

Try get some sleep then mate😊

[@DedekMartin]

Set the speed to 1.25, thank me later

[@barebonesmc]

fair enough mate, but remember, not everyone wants to listen to babbling, i have a more measured tone 🙂

[@briangc1972]

@@barebonesmc I found your one and pace very relaxing but not boring. More of an intellectual harmonic as opposed to the ADHD types who speak at 100 words a minute.

[@barebonesmc]

@@briangc1972 cheers mate. It is something that believe it or not Yt hates lol. They have a minimum words per minute spec which is drawn from younger American demographic who want babblers 🤣🤣🤣 but I am what I am🤣

[@siddharthdesai6801]

450 GS at 15 to 20 k😂😂😂

[@barebonesmc]

We shall see on price😊 has to be cheaper than the superquaddromono 🤣🤣