New 2025 BMW F450GS Concept Preview: Everything You Need To Know @ EICMA 2024

[@dashuntas.m4045]

Good to see CF Moto and Royal Enfield putting pressure on these manufacturers to produce smaller, lighter and relatively cheaper bikes

[@atomicgrasshopper4391]

I would not touch a chinese bike(yes, I am aware where my phone is built). But competition is always good!

[@hakshayak2044]

Not really cf moto. It's RE brought this trend

[@vasudevrameshbabu3427]

@@hakshayak2044Honda CB500x done this(471cc engine) 15 years back

[@davejenvey3598]

I went for the Fantic caballero rally

[@vasudevrameshbabu3427]

@@davejenvey3598 it didn’t start the midsize adv trend though

[@tapemonkey2378]

If they make a more road going version of this with 17” wheels, I can see this being and absolute weapon around town. Lightweight, enough power, could be amazing.

[@nicodiaz627]

This segment of the adventure category has always made more sense to me. Who needs 160 hp for adventure riding, especially when going offroad?

[@Mark-ep4bj]

Most larger ADV bikes are glorified touring bikes for long distance, highway, light trails and lugging around luggage. Which can be nice for commuting too but other bikes can fair for that too. So is it really worth the price if you don't need it for those things? Many commute and carry luggage with lighter and smaller bikes. Dual sports and supermotos that are the best choice to off road but also have in- verse flaws like highway. They can also be converted with snow skits for moto sledding. Better than snow skiing imo. It really comes down to fuzzy labeling and marketing. Might as well compare it to over landing and car camping.

[@leandroflaherty]

Power is not the problem. Its the weight and the complexity of the electronics that are deal breakers. They should shrink the big GS to arround 700c which is the sweet spot of power and weight using the low center of gravity of the boxer.

[@justincaruana9453]

This is the bike of the show for me! wish it was a production model

[@madotra27]

India have started to make world class products now. Looking forward to Toureag 457 and GS 450 as my next bike.

[@chrishart8548]

In the uk it may as well be a 600cc once it's above a 400cc.

[@verlinswarey507]

This bike is absolutely badass. I’d definitely pay 10 grand for it! I don’t want a cheap bike; I want a good bike!

[@axellness]

10k for a 450 with BMW reliability. A fool with money to waste.

[@MrPagnu]

Hopefully the frame welds will be better on production bikes the ones on this prototype are awful

[@Jungleland33]

If you want a good bike, don't go BMW.

[@ukvamp]

10k for a 450cc you have more money than sense 😂😂😂

[@endianAphones]

If you can afford it why not?

[@dgcomment]

I was tempted by the 1300, but then the 900 came out and i was torn, but think this is the one for me

[@originalkontrol]

Looks pretty awesome, very curious about that firing order. Ok Kawasaki, when you gonna join the party?!?

[@davemoth52]

First smaller capacity bike that’s captured my interest in a long time. As a taller person lots of small engined bikes are physically a bit small for me, but as a former 1150 GS owner this could make an ideal toy for me. Great preview video, I await with interest your full review once it’s launched.

[@1luckyb802]

Being BMW and often a leader in the industry with regards to tech, i hope they'll consider adding cruise control like KTM did with their new 390.

[@seauryakumar]

Since KTM has introduced it, BMW would be stupid to not add this to their bike. Infact if the new 390 Adventures are a hit, I expect all the manufacturers to follow suit

[@thomassterns7120]

Nuts! Every time I think I've selected next year's bike, something new comes along. Challenge on this side of pond is that unless you live in a larger city on the East or Left Coast the dealers are very limited and often under-par for service. I'm in Idaho and there is only one dealer that is a combo RV, Boat, UTV, Snow Mobile & Motorcycles. The staff would much rather sell/service boats & $250k RV's than m/c's.

[@kombosto88]

Im gonna say it here too, IM IN LOVE!

[@marioguedes8074]

Great looking bike! If BMW offers a more road focus version, it will be a best seller for sure

[@AnnaTenhnh]

Each of your videos is a real find! Thank you for your quality content and interesting topics. I always look forward to the new episodes!‍♂️🤗💓

[@adr2567]

This is a total looker, but not having the 21-18 wheel setup is a bit of a let down, maybe the final road version will have it, eager to see what it's priced like to see if it's competing with the KTM ADV or something above it.

[@carlosandleon]

its a feature.

[@laceyunderall68]

It's a GS so it will be on/off road. Nice bike!

[@navendusinghrathore9175]

Waiting for 450RR 🤩🤩

[@ApriliaRSA250]

The bike sounds pretty good. There's a few videos from EICMA and BMW promo vid.

[@jimgordon3468]

The BMW 310 gs is $6300 plus tax and tags. So $7000 grand total. So i am assuming this 450 will be $7995 plus tax and tags. $8655 all in.

[@ramonemoto]

After many years manufacturers are making good looking ADV bikes. Even though there many best looking bikes this BMW F450GS and KTM 390 Adv or SMC R are catching everyone’s eye in this show.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

That 450 BMW engine would be something, if my memory serves, that hasn't been heard before anywhere in the world (* updated info below). The equivalent (having done all the math) would be listening to a 125° V-twin, or a very wide angle V-twin. 270°-450° like an MT-07, has 90 degree between crankpins 180°-540° like a Ninja 500, has 180 degree between crankpins 360°-360° like a BMW F800GS, has pins aligned side by side 285°-435° like a KTM 790, has 75 degree between crankpins 315°-405° like a Husqvarna Nuda 900R, has 45 degree between crankpins ---------------- 125°-595° would have to have 125 degree between crankpins. The other option would be 55 degree, but that would translate to a 305° firing order, not 125°. * *Just discovered the Moto Guzzi Bicilindrica 500 of 1933 used a 125° wide-angle Vtwin. Lasted from 1933 to the mid 1950's.*

[@spartanx169x]

I'm guessing it would wind out a lot quicker than anything else on the market.

[@LifeofSmokey]

Me entering the frame at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="619">10:19</a> , I thought Bob is to busy 🙂

[@sankalpgupta6140]

Will it be more of an enduro or an explorer ?

[@johnalbone3372]

Great looking bike

[@adam346]

would be fine with either non-adjustable front or just pre-load rear but I would like to see higher weight capacity and an optional passenger seat if possible. I want to tour and this would be a GREAT bike to do it on if they can keep it mildly efficient with a decent size tank and make the off-road chops somewhat good.

[@saurabhbhardwaj6753]

Looks amazing, sweet size and I would be looking to get one for solo ensure rides which gets me stuck at times when done with my Bison aka 1250 GS. Looking fwd..

[@OliviaPanan]

Your videos are always so entertaining and interesting! It's a real pleasure to watch them.🍕🐽🐼

[@nehalpradhan2229]

People will definitely go for it especially here in india. Slightly above himalayan and adv 390. BMW brand with better looks than other.

[@straightup1234]

Wasn't expecting this from bmw ❤ 450cc bikes they way fwd if they want more riders young & old 👍👍

[@iancharlesworth3654]

The SUMP GUARD spoils it. The gap a the back looks wrong. Needs to flow into the bike . NICE ONE BOB.

[@supernovatv4729]

Please use f850/f900 headlamps

[@brandonsteinle4138]

I hope they don’t down spec it to be cheap. I personally don’t want a “cheap” bike. I’m excited about this because it’s a premium brand. It can be more expensive than the CF moto or the KTM 390 if the components are more premium.

[@twinturbotaj]

So, gone off on why they maybe chose to not go 21/18 front/rear wheel, but you fail to mention what size the wheels actually ARE, there.. [19/17]

[@richjones859]

Exactly what size are they?

[@hakshayak2044]

Is it TVS made or Chinese made?

[@souparnanayek2475]

Tvs made

[@iamanujshukla]

TVS

[@jg9008]

Take. My. Money.

[@wakedaze1]

21" / 18" please.

[@VelkePivo]

perfect

[@jimmydishkawnt]

125 degree 😮 so thats why some youtubers say it sounded like a single cyl bike

[@chrishart8548]

Does that mean it's a 235° crank then

[@imyuuki3310]

Alright between this and new 390 adv i like this a bit more

[@chrishart8548]

At least this isn't a single cylinder.

[@imyuuki3310]

@chrishart8548 coming from Enduro and MX background single cylinder is my favourite engine, and KTM 390 engine is to me the best in the class. But yeah I agree with you and if this another 270° crank I'd probably skip this but let's see the end result

[@alq1967]

Check out the Fantic 500 please 🙏 😀

[@RapRapKun]

This will sound like a single cylinder with that firing interval

[@ciocanelwar]

I have a Desert X, an amazing bike. The thing is I realised that even if I take some courses for off-road driving I still need a lighter bike to start on so I don't mess up the DDX. Never did like the CF450MT after riding it... With the new KTM390, Suzuki DR-Z4S, Kawasaki KLE and BMW on the horizon, here's me hoping for a great and light adv bike. Also Kove felt great but it's too much of a dirt bike for me.

[@DavidDualSport]

I also have a DDX. But I would stay with the DDX, this bmw with 19" is not even close. The problem I have with small bikes is when you have to go back home on a highway. I like the new KTM 390... but I think it is still heavy. I think the dr4s is the second bike for me.

[@ciocanelwar]

@DavidDualSport I am not a rich guy, the DDX was a once in a lifetime opportunity and I don't necessarily plan on selling it (I love it). I would like to keep it as a touring bike for me and the missus, the issue is the passenger seat that kinda sucks (she liked the Multistrada v2s). There is also the fact that it is expensive to raise a child, so if I can afford a loan the DDX will stay.

[@spartanx169x]

Get either a honda CFR300 or Kawasaki KLX300. Plenty of power unless you weigh 260lbs or more. And very manageable off road.

[@ciocanelwar]

@@spartanx169x only on sh klx around and the price is not justified. Not particularly interested in the Honda, will go on a test drive when the others release so I can ride them back to back. Also hoping for the new smaller Touareg to be released.

[@spartanx169x]

@@ciocanelwar Oh. I'm in the USA and KLXs are dirt cheap. Best of luck to you.

[@ivancharlie9071]

here is my money bmw ,eagerly waiting for launch

[@mrpuck68]

I need a high mudguard for that 450 gs, cant stand the mudguard down low at the wheel

[@carlosandleon]

You could just remove it. It has the beak.

[@GaryV-p3h]

Is there going to be an ASA version of it.

[@SagarKothurwar]

Launch Early next year

[@MotoGuzziMoto]

Wow, I missed that it has smaller wheels. That would take it off my shopping list. Probably the price would also, it is a BMW after all, so maybe no loss.

[@chrishart8548]

Not a real BMW it's just a TVS the price will probably be very competitive.

[@GodAP]

Can anyone tell me what’s gonna be the top speed of this thing!

[@Fiatmannen1]

Nothing on the new upcoming kle 450/500

[@khangembamsanatomba1946]

I want Yamaha T450.😊

[@GaryV-p3h]

Take my money.

[@ismailboudouft8750]

Wish they made enduro version of this

[@M1100go]

some BMW-Member really told you the 125°? others werent.

[@jimn7788]

Interesting model, however, the seat height looks very tall indeed.

[@neildelbridge2670]

I want one

[@djangounhinged7634]

I C wonder F where M they O got T the O idea ?

[@konihan]

Just wished they'd or husqvarna would revive the NUDA 900 :////

[@Ntmoffi]

Still not a fan of the headlight.

[@signore-solomonare1818]

They have to go to natural aluminum swingarm not this black powder coating on.

[@cgRui34]

Chinese and Indians giving the small ADV market what they want, and the big manufacturers a run for their money.

[@typektypektypek]

good to see BMW quality swingarm painting <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="283">4:43</a> above the wheel nut

[@SofronPolitis]

Hard no unless BMW tweak that horrible front fairing. I want a bike that looks like a bike, not like a Transformer.

[@martinboodukofi3]

They need to make it a SuperMoto, mmmmm yum

[@chanchaijittima8537]

The engines are madr in india

[@bhargavapothakamuri4218]

This would be a cfmoto 450 twin engine.

[@ogasi1798]

it's a proper beauty - if it made it out like THIS then F.YEAH ! Will they get managed by the bean counters though and it ends up being and looking way worse....

[@thatsleepyman]

I am worried about the engine. I have a BMW F850GS and I have to say that the F850GS engine is pretty shit. You can't ride below 3000rpm or it'll feel like a studderfest and you basically ride in your first gear until 30km/h, which is awkward and torquey. Lets hope it's decent like the CP2 engine which allows you to ride in 2nd gear at like 10km/h.

[@gdvadventours5512]

Not a fan of that "x" headlight it looks gimmicky like that of Ducati just ugly

[@chrishart8548]

It works really well. The one light does main beam dipped beam and even has cornering lights built in and it's amazingly bright.

[@LuckyNikitaBoba]

It’s all about the weight.

[@nsr500]

Supermoto version please....

[@jaypopsti]

Want

[@snowgsadventures3232]

Made in China, India, Malaysia, Thailand? Surely not Bavaria?

[@ScootScoot125]

Either China or India

[@madotra27]

TVS India

[@seauryakumar]

TVS is making a new engine or rather Norton is. They have planned a few bikes for 2026 and beyond so I'm wondering if TVS made a new deal with BMW regarding that engine maybe sharing it or sharing bits of it. Bajaj has done it. It'll be smart to make it in India could be China aswell but if they do that they'll loose the Indian market because of the import tax. Wait and see

[@iamanujshukla]

India

[@jimtitt3571]

The German motorcycle factory is in Berlin, they haven't built in Bavaria for over 50 years.

[@TheINDIAN]

that 125 degree odd crank engine does not sound so great hope it sounds better stock , 315 degree crank would be a great choice a 285 ,or 270 would enough .I hope its not a repeat of the 310 overpriced and not that great . We just want a simple bike good power, light weight , ABS and a light clutch normal display no need for power modes .

[@exothermal.sprocket]

I agree, anything equivalent to a 90° Vtwin or narrower, all the way down to a typical Harley Davidson 45° would sound good, the latter being replicated in the Nuda 900R. A 125° is wider than the usual 270° (with 90° crank pin relative splay angle), which would be rather odd. I looked up info and apparently Moto Guzzi had a 120° wide angle V-twin from 1933 into the mid 1950's. 125°-595°-125°-595°-etc would be firing interval.

[@chrishart8548]

The G310GS was good at what is was designed for. In India it works really well. It's not an off road bike and it's definitely not designed to be ridden fast. The suspension is comfortable and the bike is relatively cheap.

[@TheINDIAN]

@@chrishart8548 The price dropped after no body entered the showroom for 2 years or so. I agree with the suspension and ride. But the bike is not worth buying even now at today's prices. The KTM 250 is worth the money not the BMW 310 gs I don't like royal enfield but even the 450 is way better. BMW should not make the same mistake again with this bike. Overprice and underperform when compared to its competition. The BMW 450 engine sounds way too close to a 180⁰ and halfway to a 90⁰(270⁰) crank(it's 125⁰ as BOB has pointed out )and sounds a bit like it's broken , I hope that the engine is smooth and reliable. And easy to service.

[@TheINDIAN]

@@exothermal.sprocket do u have any more information ,was the guzzi with that crank pin angle of 125⁰ smooth and torquey . Have you been to the exhibition and felt that 450 BMW engine run?

[@exothermal.sprocket]

@@TheINDIAN It was called the Moto Guzzi Bicilindrica 500. I just learned about it not that long ago. There's a couple videos online, but the vintage of the engine being so old, air cooled, probably imprecise valve train, it makes a lot of noise so it's a little hard to hear the cadence. Plus the microphone was overwhelmed in the clip I found. I will say it is more similar to a 180° parallel to my ear, than anything in the more pleasing 270° and up. No I haven't been to Milan. I live in upper central USA.

[@magnusenamd]

According to me, the minimum is 275cc per cylinder to have a prerequisite for good turning at lower rpm. I can't understand why you should have a heavy 450cc twin when it should be at least 550cc. Tiresome. It will weigh like a 700cc almost probably too. Pathetic. I say this from the perspective of how big a difference there is between 250cc and 300cc single cylinder and there are enduro 2 cylinder with 450 and 550cc and the difference in torque at low revs is brutally large. This is just a way for the manufacturers to milk you with crap until many years later they come with 550cc.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

What's an acceptable weight to you, anyway? Consider how light Kawasaki's 296, 399, and 451 engines have been as twins on their Ninja and Z models. Yamaha's 321cc twin in the MT and R3 isn't very heavy. The biggest difference is the chassis. Do you want essentially a dirtbike chassis dual sport, or a beefier motorcycle chassis for ADV? One is a dirt play thing that is less tiring than a motocross bike, the other is a utility machine that can haul bags and a passenger long distance. The lines are blurring between dual sport and ADV bikes. Aprilia had a Vtwin in a dirtbike chassis before, but it was too expensive to manufacture and maintain (RXV550).

[@chrishart8548]

I think the NX500 should have been a NX600 and a single cylinder and also have wire wheels. I would also prefer the NX400 that they have in Japan. Also bring back 350's. Crf350L klx350L. And keep them 6 speed. They say we have lots of choice I don't think we do.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Suzuki DR-Z4S is in a class of it's own in terms of engine longevity between service, more oil volume, compression ratio being lower. The Next closest thing is the Honda CRF450RL but that's a modified motocross engine with the typical low oil volume and nowhere near the maintenance slackness of the Suzuki. Otherwise you're stuck with European 350's or 500 high strung high maintenance. The Honda XR650L isn't sold anywhere except USA where it's grandfathered into past emissions. KLR650 is a tank, and gutless. DR650 is like the XR650L in terms of sales and location. It's sort of making the Japanese 400-500cc dual sport/adv market slimmer and slimmer. Hence the moving to 400-450cc ADV bikes lately, which I think have more utility for the average person than a dual sport 2x4 plank seat vibrating buzz box.

[@magnusenamd]

@@exothermal.sprocket Yes. But still sucks big whit 5 speed.

[@varymr]

How can talk about wheel size and not not specify wheel size Yikes

[@gilbertivanpradana6271]

450 class will be very" Hot ❤‍🔥

[@amalm3574]

At 400cc odd capacity, ice twin engine, i don't even understand what's the need to introduce a concept.. a different firing and crank.. cmon... Just launch it.. probably it's a concept to introduce to governments of various countries who commit to produce at a lower cost or something..

[@luisvasquez8262]

that front light makes looks this bike like a cheap chinese motorcycle .

[@cmpmendes]

"There is a little move towards small advs latelly". Trully talking like someone who doesn't seem to understand the market. There have never been so many 400/500 cc bikes in euro roads as there are now.

[@Kenneth_McGrew]

interest peeked, not sure how it deserves a 5/5 on style though, its probably the ugliest sub 500cc Adventure bike.

[@raysen623]

I am convinced to never buy this new GS designed object. BMW has beautiful design as well, but not this.

[@katiposcotty]

Looks kinda clucky and busy to me. Over styled.

[@arthurdeygers2106]

i would like to see a small boxer but that doesn't look to happen any time soon

[@thevtadventure1062]

Made in 🇨🇳🗑️

[@andyyougoonie]

Not first lol

[@gpzfan5272]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="50">0:50</a> this isn’t a middleweight. That’s the F900GS 🤦‍♂️

[@chrishart8548]

They keep moving what middle weight is. I remember when a Honda CB400N super dream was considered a big bike. A CB250N looked like all the bike you could ever need. Mind you most people drove a car with a 1.3 engine back then. Often with 4 speed gearbox.

[@Duca7773]

here first

[@Jacob99174]

But, how??

[@angshumansarmah6626]

So maybe a F-450RR and also a F-450R

[@chrishart8548]

Still wondering where the F900RS is ?